Speaker 1: Good a Groovers.
Speaker 2: Do you ever think about why you think the way
Speaker 2: you think, where your thinking comes from, how much of
Speaker 2: your thinking is actually yours?
Speaker 1: You know that saying? What is the saying?
Speaker 2: Is it like we become or we are the average
Speaker 2: of the five people we spend the most time with.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because there's not there's no real science to that,
Speaker 2: but there's some science that supports the idea very strongly,
Speaker 2: of course, that we kind of adopt the thinking or
Speaker 2: are heavily influenced by the thinking and behaving and beliefs
Speaker 2: and values and habits and lifestyle of people that we
Speaker 2: live with or hang out with, or socialize with, or
Speaker 2: know or trust or respect or look up to. So
Speaker 2: very much there is a social influence that impacts how
Speaker 2: we are. Social influence is powerful. We are at the
Speaker 2: very least influenced by the beliefs and behaviors and habits
Speaker 2: and thinking standards values of the people around us. So
Speaker 2: it's good to be mindful of this because sometimes we
Speaker 2: think where we are thinking critically when we're not really
Speaker 2: thinking critically or objectively or independently, where thinking through the
Speaker 2: filter of our programming without even being aware of the
Speaker 2: programming so we're starting with and by the way, this
Speaker 2: is everyone, this is me too. So this is not
Speaker 2: something we're going to fix or solve or resolve on
Speaker 2: today's show. We're just talking about it as we always do.
Speaker 2: But I think the beginning of the beginning of being
Speaker 2: able to think critically and clearly and independently of the
Speaker 2: programming and the influencers, and the church and the sinner
Speaker 2: and the culture and the habit and the environment, the
Speaker 2: media and the social media and all of those things
Speaker 2: and people and factors that influence how you and I
Speaker 2: think the beginning is to go, well, fuck my thinking.
Speaker 2: We probably don't have to say the well fuck, but
Speaker 2: you could probably just start after that is really really impacted, influenced,
Speaker 2: if not in some ways almost determined by who I
Speaker 2: pay attention to, who I listen to, who I trust,
Speaker 2: who I think is right, because invariably we kind of
Speaker 2: often adopt and adapt the thinking of others because we
Speaker 2: look up to them and we think they're clever or
Speaker 2: we think they're right, and we kind of want to
Speaker 2: be like them. So how better could we be like
Speaker 2: them than kind of adapt and adopt their thinking and
Speaker 2: their behaviors. Right, we look up to people. We think
Speaker 2: highly of them, we think they're cool, we think they
Speaker 2: are good people. And of course, and this includes me,
Speaker 2: this is all of us. We are influenced somewhere between
Speaker 2: a little bit and a great big bit in terms
Speaker 2: of how we then do life. We do life, so
Speaker 2: we very often can, in a social way and an
Speaker 2: experiential way and a practical way, become a version of
Speaker 2: someone else. And I guess that begs the question, is
Speaker 2: that terrible? My instinctive feeling is like, yes, that's fucking terrible.
Speaker 1: But I guess it.
Speaker 2: Depends on the outcome, doesn't it. If you kind of
Speaker 2: look up to your mum and your mum's great, your
Speaker 2: mum does ABC and D, and then you go, fuck,
Speaker 2: I'm doing all of that, and I'm and mum's pretty
Speaker 2: functional and operational and happy, and so are you?
Speaker 1: Then who am I to go? Then you should stop that.
Speaker 2: But I think there's something to be said, definitely something
Speaker 2: to be said for starting to think about how we
Speaker 2: think and why we think the way that we do,
Speaker 2: because which of course has metacognition thinking about thinking, but
Speaker 2: so much of so much of our life where we're
Speaker 2: just plowing through days, situations, conversations and counters, interactions, experiences
Speaker 2: with kind of almost blinders on, so to speak. We
Speaker 2: just think how we think, and we don't even question
Speaker 2: whether or not how we're thinking in this moment is
Speaker 2: actually serving us or sabotaging us.
Speaker 1: Is the way that I.
Speaker 2: Think in this moment, helping or hindering this conversation, this
Speaker 2: problem solving session, this conflict resolution session, this meeting, this
Speaker 2: thing that I'm in the middle of with another person
Speaker 2: is my worldview, my thinking. The way that I look
Speaker 2: at this stuff, the way that I'm dissecting and processing
Speaker 2: and be meaning to this moment in time with this
Speaker 2: person or these people, Is that a positive or a negative?
Speaker 2: And if we're really brave and honest, sometimes the way
Speaker 2: that we look at things sometimes, the way that we think, sometimes,
Speaker 2: the way that we communicate sometimes, the way that we
Speaker 2: make decisions, sometimes, the way that we do All of
Speaker 2: that stuff which starts with a thought is problematic. And
Speaker 2: so again we default to self awareness, not self loathing,
Speaker 2: and we say, all right, well, what can I do
Speaker 2: about that? How can I get better? So we are
Speaker 2: around people who, of course have their own beliefs and
Speaker 2: values and ideas, and I think the challenge in the
Speaker 2: middle of that is to be able to listen to.
Speaker 1: Not everyone.
Speaker 2: We can't listen everyone, but listen to the people that
Speaker 2: you think are worth listening to. Pay attention, you know,
Speaker 2: like consider what they're saying, Like with this podcast, don't
Speaker 2: believe everything I say because you know some of you
Speaker 2: may like me or think I mildly interesting. Perhaps consider
Speaker 2: what I'm saying and then think about whether or not
Speaker 2: it's worth opening the door on the thoughts and ideas
Speaker 2: and advice that I might present over the next thirty
Speaker 2: minutes or so, and then go do your own research.
Speaker 2: So look like he's a really fundamental question. Does my
Speaker 2: thinking empower me or disempower me? For the most part,
Speaker 2: is it catapulting me forward? Or is it holding me back?
Speaker 2: Is the contents of my mind? Are the contents of
Speaker 2: my mind more of a positive or more of a
Speaker 2: negative on average? Again, self awareness, And if the answer
Speaker 2: is like, my mind is getting in the way, Sometimes
Speaker 2: my thoughts are getting in the way. Sometimes I am
Speaker 2: self sabotaging. I am wasting potential and time and energy.
Speaker 2: I am obsessing about shit that I can't change, certain
Speaker 2: beliefs that I didn't even choose I've got certain ways
Speaker 2: of thinking and looking at the world that I didn't choose.
Speaker 2: I just think like this because Dad thinks like this,
Speaker 2: or that dude that I love thinks like this, or
Speaker 2: this person.
Speaker 1: That I respect. I didn't actually choose this myself.
Speaker 2: This is just an an emotional contagion. This is social osmosis,
Speaker 2: where I've been around certain people who think and feel
Speaker 2: and communicate and behave and live a certain way, and
Speaker 2: now I'm a version of them. And like I said
Speaker 2: to you, if the byproduct of that is positive, probably
Speaker 2: don't need to worry.
Speaker 1: But there is.
Speaker 2: Definitely something to be said for becoming aware of your
Speaker 2: own programming, your own conditioning, the influence that others have
Speaker 2: had on you. And in this moment in time, as you,
Speaker 2: as I say this, for me, as you listen to this,
Speaker 2: for you to think about, why do I think the
Speaker 2: way that I do and.
Speaker 1: Is it working?
Speaker 2: So back to the original question or statement, is that
Speaker 2: we become the average of the five people we spend
Speaker 2: the most time with. I think the bottom line is
Speaker 2: that that's not literally true. It's interesting though, and it's
Speaker 2: generally I think generally somewhat true. You will see things
Speaker 2: in me that are a reflection of the five people
Speaker 2: or ten people or you know. However, many people that
Speaker 2: I respect or I look up to, or I love,
Speaker 2: or that are important to me, you will see things
Speaker 2: which in me are an expression of them. But it's
Speaker 2: not true that you know you are a numerical average
Speaker 2: of you know, your friends, I qus incomes traits, behavior's mindset.
Speaker 2: That's not literally true. And also, of course some people
Speaker 2: resist peer influence more than others. You know, personality, self awareness,
Speaker 2: and values matter. Some people are really are naturally I
Speaker 2: think more critical thinkers and question things and push back.
Speaker 2: I think even though I in my life have many
Speaker 2: times succumbed to I call it the enormity of conformity,
Speaker 2: where I've stepped into line where it's not my proudest moment,
Speaker 2: but times when I've really kind of compromised myself because
Speaker 2: I thought I wanted to belong to a certain group.
Speaker 1: Without going into it.
Speaker 2: But eventually, even within the context of that group or
Speaker 2: those groups that I belong to, at times I would
Speaker 2: get in inverted commas in trouble because I would question
Speaker 2: the group think. I would not agree with an idea,
Speaker 2: I would not agree with an attitude or a belief,
Speaker 2: or at the very least I would question that. Now,
Speaker 2: remember that the price of membership to a lot of
Speaker 2: groups is that you believe what we believe, you think,
Speaker 2: what you think, you behave how we behave you conform,
Speaker 2: and to belong to this group, you can't have other beliefs.
Speaker 2: You have to have these beliefs. You can't think unless
Speaker 2: you unless you're independent thinking happens to align with the
Speaker 2: group thinking. Well, then that's cool, that's tickety boo, that's fine,
Speaker 2: big tick for you. But if your independent thinking doesn't
Speaker 2: align with the group thinking, with the mantra, with the mission,
Speaker 2: with the ideology or theology or philosophy or whatever the
Speaker 2: group is, well then you can't belong because your membership
Speaker 2: to that group is dependent on you not disagreeing. It's
Speaker 2: dependent on you not thinking individually, independently or critically unless
Speaker 2: that critical thought aligns with the group thought. And not
Speaker 2: only can you not think for yourself unless we're happy
Speaker 2: with it, of course, unless we the group are happy
Speaker 2: with your independent thinking or it meets certain criteria. Not
Speaker 2: only can you not we will then make you feel
Speaker 2: bad and guilty and less than and potentially scared because
Speaker 2: there is a very real nudge, nudge, wink wink price
Speaker 2: to pay for not thinking like we think and for
Speaker 2: pushing back and questioning. Here's the fucking kicker, the truth
Speaker 2: because our group, fuck all the other groups. Our group
Speaker 2: has the truth. I'm not just talking about religion, think,
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about religon.
Speaker 1: Oh no.
Speaker 2: There are so many groups which basically are cults. They
Speaker 2: are thought cults where they try to control people. And
Speaker 2: why do they want to control people? Why do they
Speaker 2: want to manipulate people, you know, with all of this
Speaker 2: fear based ideology in philosophy and theology, because it's in
Speaker 2: their interest to have people scared, it's in their interest
Speaker 2: to have people fully committed, because we can only grow
Speaker 2: if we can control and manipulate people. And as you
Speaker 2: probably are becoming aware, I farcking hate this.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Does that to say all groups are bad?
Speaker 1: Of course not.
Speaker 2: There are some great groups. There are some great groups.
Speaker 2: But the best groups are the groups where we're not
Speaker 2: living in an echo chamber. We don't all have to
Speaker 2: think identically, we don't all have to conform to a
Speaker 2: certain paradigm or philosophy of thought. We don't all have
Speaker 2: to We might actually have quite divergent thinking and ideas
Speaker 2: and lifestyles and behaviors. There's probably some commonality, like we
Speaker 2: don't do horrible shit and we don't hurt people. Maybe
Speaker 2: we operate in love as much as we can. But
Speaker 2: there can be a broad cross section of ideas and
Speaker 2: beliefs and philosophies and ideologies even within the same group,
Speaker 2: if it's not one of the aforementioned groups.
Speaker 1: So, in other words, if it's the right kind of group.
Speaker 2: Now, I know I've spoken about this many times when
Speaker 2: I talk about our programming, but I just think it's
Speaker 2: important to revisit again. And why Because because we've all
Speaker 2: been programmed or influenced.
Speaker 1: As to how we.
Speaker 2: Think and how we live and how we behave and
Speaker 2: what we eat, and whether or not we exercise, and
Speaker 2: who we hang out with and why we hang out
Speaker 2: with them, and whether or not we believe in God
Speaker 2: or multiple gods or this God or that God, or
Speaker 2: most of that kind of internal reality is a byproduct
Speaker 2: of who we've been around, or what we've seen or
Speaker 2: what we've been exposed to, And at the very least
Speaker 2: it's a byproduct of influence, if not control and manipulation
Speaker 2: in some cases, So the really big challenge, as I
Speaker 2: see it again, this is just me thinking out loud.
Speaker 2: If you think it's bullshit, ignore me, turn off right now,
Speaker 2: and I'll see you. I'll never see you next time.
Speaker 1: All good.
Speaker 2: But as I see it, and this is someone who
Speaker 2: grew up in a very specific school or echo chamber
Speaker 2: of thought, the challenge for us is to recognize the
Speaker 2: gap between what is happening or what is true, what
Speaker 2: is objectively true, and what we think is true. So
Speaker 2: even in a practical sense, out in the world when
Speaker 2: things are going on, so the gap between the thing
Speaker 2: that's going on, the event, the circumstances, situation, what the
Speaker 2: person's saying, and my story, my story about that thing,
Speaker 2: because the thing and my story are quite different. One
Speaker 2: is a stimulus. One is a response. So something goes
Speaker 2: on in the world, I tell myself a story, and
Speaker 2: my story might be, Oh, that guy is a bad
Speaker 2: guy because that guy is in the wrong religion, or
Speaker 2: that guy does this or does that, or looks a
Speaker 2: certain way or dresses a certain way that doesn't fit
Speaker 2: into my version or my story of how he or
Speaker 2: she should dress or live, or worship or eat or
Speaker 2: behave or interaction act or marry or not marry. It
Speaker 2: doesn't fit in with my story of what is right.
Speaker 2: So I'm not just observing something. I'm telling myself about
Speaker 2: the something that I'm observing. And so in the middle
Speaker 2: of that is a story. Now consciousness awareness is me
Speaker 2: and you being able to recognize the thing or there's
Speaker 2: a person on the other side.
Speaker 1: Of the street.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, that's just that's the recognition, and then
Speaker 2: the story is what I tell myself about that person
Speaker 2: on the other side of the street. Now, awareness and
Speaker 2: opening the door on consciousness and critical thinking is being
Speaker 2: able to recognize the gap between the objective reality of
Speaker 2: the person on the other side of the street and
Speaker 2: your subsequent story about it. That's awareness, that's step one.
Speaker 2: That's consciousness. That's opening a door to a different level
Speaker 2: of thinking and experiencing.
Speaker 1: And so for us as we move through the world,
Speaker 1: as we move through.
Speaker 2: Days, is to be able to in the moment, which
Speaker 2: is really hard because this is like level nine self awareness,
Speaker 2: which is difficult, is to be able to recognize, oh,
Speaker 2: I reacted that way, or I think this way, or
Speaker 2: I'm processing this experience this way, or in fact, I'm
Speaker 2: even having this experience because of how I think, and
Speaker 2: how I think is because of my programming. Now, programming
Speaker 2: is not bad. Programming is part of the human experience.
Speaker 2: But it's recognizing what are the components or what of
Speaker 2: my programming, which you know came via my education and
Speaker 2: my parents and my friends and where I grew up
Speaker 2: and how I grew up and what I did and
Speaker 2: who I hung out with. That's all programming, that's all influence.
Speaker 2: What of that is really working for me? And what
Speaker 2: has become a problem for me? What is a limitation?
Speaker 2: How does the way that I see the world, How
Speaker 2: does the way that I think, How does the way
Speaker 2: that I process life and do life as a result
Speaker 2: of that programming?
Speaker 1: How does that affect me?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: For good and for bad?
Speaker 2: Personally, I always have to be aware that I'm looking
Speaker 2: through the Craig window, and the Craig window sometimes is
Speaker 2: a fucked up window. Sometimes the Craig window is not
Speaker 2: a great window. Sometimes I'm looking at something through a
Speaker 2: lens that is not particularly uplifting or empowering or positive.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that is what's going on for me, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure that's going on for you sometimes. But here's what
Speaker 2: not to do. When you're doing that, don't beat yourself up,
Speaker 2: done self loath. Guess what that jeeves fuck all, Well,
Speaker 2: that's not true. What it achieves is you putting yourself
Speaker 2: in a worse place emotionally and psychologically. So what I
Speaker 2: do is, or what I try to do is and
Speaker 2: I tend to most of the time these days, when
Speaker 2: I'm looking through that shit window or that shit filter
Speaker 2: and I'm telling myself of stories or a story of
Speaker 2: doom and gloom, I try to catch myself in the
Speaker 2: moment and go, oh, listen to me.
Speaker 1: I can Debbie Downer.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Debbie, I don't know why people say that,
Speaker 2: or Dave Downer or Craig Downer. Let's go with Craig Downer,
Speaker 2: and to realize what I am doing and then try
Speaker 2: to And this is like, this is one of the
Speaker 2: tough things.
Speaker 1: I was saying this to Tiff the other day.
Speaker 2: One of the hardest things about, truly about personal growth
Speaker 2: is in the middle of the shit, to be able
Speaker 2: to lean into the lessons and the wisdom and the
Speaker 2: truth and in that moment when you want to tell
Speaker 2: someone or something to fuck off, is to then to
Speaker 2: be able to self manage self regulate, be self aware.
Speaker 2: It's easy to apply all this stuff when life's good
Speaker 2: and the day's good and the winds at our back
Speaker 2: and it's sunny and shit's great.
Speaker 1: But that's not really where we learn and grow and evolve.
Speaker 2: The tough thing is, you know, when I'm in the
Speaker 2: middle of something and I want to be right.
Speaker 1: That's another thing too.
Speaker 2: How attached are we to our thinking and our beliefs
Speaker 2: and our version of truth, our version of what is real.
Speaker 2: We are super attached to that. And so when you
Speaker 2: come into the picture and then you come in with
Speaker 2: a dialogue or a version that is not like my version,
Speaker 2: your story ain't my story, Well that means either one
Speaker 2: of us is wrong or both of us are wrong.
Speaker 2: But either way, I don't be the one that's wrong.
Speaker 2: So you can fuck off. Because my identity and my
Speaker 2: happiness and my calm and the way that I manage
Speaker 2: my fear is I tell myself I'm right.
Speaker 1: But guess what. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2: I'm wrong a lot, You're wrong a lot. How many
Speaker 2: times in your life have you thought something that was untrue?
Speaker 2: How many times have you had an idea that turned
Speaker 2: out to be fucking stupid. I'm thinking, unless you're super
Speaker 2: special a lot. And so to move through life assuming
Speaker 2: that I am right, Assuming that no matter whatever situation
Speaker 2: or argument or confrontation or whatever it is that I'm
Speaker 2: in the middle of, they're wrong, I'm right. Bibbity bobby boo.
Speaker 2: That's great for my ego, great for my self esteem,
Speaker 2: great for you know, my personal comfort because I couldn't
Speaker 2: possibly be wrong. That's too fucking terrifying for me because
Speaker 2: I can't cope. So therefore I'm always right, which again
Speaker 2: that's me building my own emotional and psychological prison. And
Speaker 2: of course I can't be right, of course, so fuck up.
Speaker 2: Of course I get things wrong. But you know what's
Speaker 2: actually liberating is going I got it wrong, not justify, justify, rationalized, justify, explained.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, A fuck all that, just go I.
Speaker 1: Got it wrong. I'm sorry, I will do better. I'll
Speaker 1: do better.
Speaker 2: I would assume most days, if not all days, every
Speaker 2: day I get something wrong. I might not even be
Speaker 2: aware of it on the same day. I might learn
Speaker 2: a month later, or a week later, a day or
Speaker 2: a year later that I was wrong. But I am
Speaker 2: sure that I get things wrong every single day. In fact,
Speaker 2: I might have done something or said something on this podcast,
Speaker 2: even in the last twenty minutes or so, which is wrong,
Speaker 2: which is flawed, which is less than optimal, which is
Speaker 2: not You know, I'm always second guessing myself, even right now.
Speaker 2: I could, I could right now second guess about fuck?
Speaker 2: Has this been any good? Should I start again? Have
Speaker 2: I explained myself? Is this confusing? Could I have done
Speaker 2: this better? The answer is, of course I could have
Speaker 2: done this better. Virtually everything I do I could have
Speaker 2: done better. But could I have done it worse? Or
Speaker 2: it could have been a complete shitfest? It could have
Speaker 2: been indecipherable garbage. I don't think it's that.
Speaker 1: It could be that. You'll let me know.
Speaker 2: So all right, let's try to end on something constructive.
Speaker 2: So how there's no three step plan? But how can
Speaker 2: we potentially change the way that we think or become
Speaker 2: more aware of our thinking and more conscious so that
Speaker 2: we can start to truly think as much as it
Speaker 2: is possible, critically and independently of you know, the echo
Speaker 2: chamber that we've lived in for much of our life.
Speaker 1: So I think a big part of.
Speaker 2: It is to be open, truly open, And this takes
Speaker 2: courage guts, humility to the idea that our thinking quite
Speaker 2: often is somewhere between limited and somewhat flaw. Somewhat flawed,
Speaker 2: I should say two completely false, completely incorrect. Sometimes I'll
Speaker 2: say something and it's it's you know, it's like, is
Speaker 2: it accurate to say that we become the average of
Speaker 2: the five person people we spend the most time with. No,
Speaker 2: it's not accurate, but there's some truth in it, Like
Speaker 2: it's it's a limited perspective, but there's some insight in
Speaker 2: some truth. And what it's really saying is that the
Speaker 2: people we spend time around, they influence us the way
Speaker 2: that we think and behave.
Speaker 1: And move through the world all of that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's but is it totally categorically accurate five people,
Speaker 2: not four, not six, and that we are the average
Speaker 2: numerically and statistically. No, it's not true, right, but it's
Speaker 2: also neither is it complete bullshit? But there have been
Speaker 2: times in my life where I've had to own up
Speaker 2: and step up and say I thought this, but.
Speaker 1: I was completely wrong. I was completely wrong. I got
Speaker 1: it wrong. I had to do a one eighty.
Speaker 2: And for those of you who know me, well, you
Speaker 2: probably guess I'm going to say the food pyramid just
Speaker 2: because it's an easy example. Whereas I not only did
Speaker 2: I believe that the food pyramid was great science, which
Speaker 2: it turned out to be anything but great science. Not
Speaker 2: only did I think that, I also taught that to
Speaker 2: my clients and my students and other people. And so
Speaker 2: I was telling I was sharing a thought, an idea,
Speaker 2: a belief that I held, which, as it turns out wrong.
Speaker 1: So you go, okay, got it wrong. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to get it wrong.
Speaker 2: Wasn't trying to upset anyone, wasn't trying to mislead anyone.
Speaker 1: But did I mislead people? Did I give out information
Speaker 1: that was incorrect?
Speaker 2: Did I get it wrong?
Speaker 1: Sure? Did the end see that I got it wrong?
Speaker 1: The end not?
Speaker 2: Ah? But ah, but I could rationalize why I got
Speaker 2: it wrong.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. I got it wrong.
Speaker 2: So now I'll learn better, I'll do better. Will I
Speaker 2: get things wrong moving forward?
Speaker 1: Of course?
Speaker 2: The only way I want is if I don't do anything,
Speaker 2: say anything, be anything to anyone, don't do a podcast,
Speaker 2: don't talk, don't think out loud, don't fucking try anything.
Speaker 2: That's the only way you get nothing wrong. And by
Speaker 2: the way, that doesn't work either, You're still going to
Speaker 2: fuck up because you've got to do something right. So
Speaker 2: what we do is we do the best that we can,
Speaker 2: knowing that we will fuck up. We think the way
Speaker 2: we think, knowing that our thinking will be flawed at times.
Speaker 2: And I think also a really important idea, if not
Speaker 2: experiential practice, is to expose ourselves to different stuff out
Speaker 2: of the new echo chamber. Do something, you know how
Speaker 2: people say, Oh, that's not me. Oh gyms aren't me?
Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't. That's not a me thing. I'm
Speaker 2: just not I'm not saying go to the gym. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying anything in particular, but I'm saying, expose yourself
Speaker 2: to new experiences, new places, new people, new cultures, new information,
Speaker 2: new books, maybe even new podcasts. Who knows, like different ideas,
Speaker 2: different insights, different research. Like I'm changing my mind or
Speaker 2: at least modifying my thinking about things almost every day.
Speaker 2: If not unlearning, I'm just adding to my learning where
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I didn't.
Speaker 1: How am I just hearing this now? I'm one hundred
Speaker 1: years old. How the fuck am I just finding this
Speaker 1: out now? But I'm glad I did all right? Team
Speaker 1: I may be waffling.
Speaker 2: So I want you to think about your thinking and
Speaker 2: whether or not you're thinking, is actually you're thinking, or
Speaker 2: someone else's thinking that you're just thinking with me