WEBVTT - #1946 Are Your Thoughts Even Yours? - Harps

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<v Speaker 1>Good a Groovers.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever think about why you think the way

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<v Speaker 2>you think, where your thinking comes from, how much of

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<v Speaker 2>your thinking is actually yours?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that saying? What is the saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it like we become or we are the average

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<v Speaker 2>of the five people we spend the most time with.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because there's not there's no real science to that,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's some science that supports the idea very strongly,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, that we kind of adopt the thinking or

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<v Speaker 2>are heavily influenced by the thinking and behaving and beliefs

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<v Speaker 2>and values and habits and lifestyle of people that we

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<v Speaker 2>live with or hang out with, or socialize with, or

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<v Speaker 2>know or trust or respect or look up to. So

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<v Speaker 2>very much there is a social influence that impacts how

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<v Speaker 2>we are. Social influence is powerful. We are at the

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<v Speaker 2>very least influenced by the beliefs and behaviors and habits

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<v Speaker 2>and thinking standards values of the people around us. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's good to be mindful of this because sometimes we

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<v Speaker 2>think where we are thinking critically when we're not really

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<v Speaker 2>thinking critically or objectively or independently, where thinking through the

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<v Speaker 2>filter of our programming without even being aware of the

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<v Speaker 2>programming so we're starting with and by the way, this

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<v Speaker 2>is everyone, this is me too. So this is not

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<v Speaker 2>something we're going to fix or solve or resolve on

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<v Speaker 2>today's show. We're just talking about it as we always do.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the beginning of the beginning of being

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<v Speaker 2>able to think critically and clearly and independently of the

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<v Speaker 2>programming and the influencers, and the church and the sinner

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<v Speaker 2>and the culture and the habit and the environment, the

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<v Speaker 2>media and the social media and all of those things

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<v Speaker 2>and people and factors that influence how you and I

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<v Speaker 2>think the beginning is to go, well, fuck my thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>We probably don't have to say the well fuck, but

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<v Speaker 2>you could probably just start after that is really really impacted, influenced,

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<v Speaker 2>if not in some ways almost determined by who I

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention to, who I listen to, who I trust,

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<v Speaker 2>who I think is right, because invariably we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>often adopt and adapt the thinking of others because we

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<v Speaker 2>look up to them and we think they're clever or

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<v Speaker 2>we think they're right, and we kind of want to

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<v Speaker 2>be like them. So how better could we be like

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<v Speaker 2>them than kind of adapt and adopt their thinking and

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<v Speaker 2>their behaviors. Right, we look up to people. We think

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<v Speaker 2>highly of them, we think they're cool, we think they

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<v Speaker 2>are good people. And of course, and this includes me,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all of us. We are influenced somewhere between

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit and a great big bit in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of how we then do life. We do life, so

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<v Speaker 2>we very often can, in a social way and an

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<v Speaker 2>experiential way and a practical way, become a version of

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<v Speaker 2>someone else. And I guess that begs the question, is

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<v Speaker 2>that terrible? My instinctive feeling is like, yes, that's fucking terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess it.

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<v Speaker 2>Depends on the outcome, doesn't it. If you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>look up to your mum and your mum's great, your

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<v Speaker 2>mum does ABC and D, and then you go, fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing all of that, and I'm and mum's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>functional and operational and happy, and so are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Then who am I to go? Then you should stop that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there's something to be said, definitely something

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<v Speaker 2>to be said for starting to think about how we

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<v Speaker 2>think and why we think the way that we do,

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<v Speaker 2>because which of course has metacognition thinking about thinking, but

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<v Speaker 2>so much of so much of our life where we're

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<v Speaker 2>just plowing through days, situations, conversations and counters, interactions, experiences

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<v Speaker 2>with kind of almost blinders on, so to speak. We

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<v Speaker 2>just think how we think, and we don't even question

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not how we're thinking in this moment is

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<v Speaker 2>actually serving us or sabotaging us.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the way that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think in this moment, helping or hindering this conversation, this

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<v Speaker 2>problem solving session, this conflict resolution session, this meeting, this

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I'm in the middle of with another person

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<v Speaker 2>is my worldview, my thinking. The way that I look

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<v Speaker 2>at this stuff, the way that I'm dissecting and processing

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<v Speaker 2>and be meaning to this moment in time with this

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<v Speaker 2>person or these people, Is that a positive or a negative?

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<v Speaker 2>And if we're really brave and honest, sometimes the way

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<v Speaker 2>that we look at things sometimes, the way that we think, sometimes,

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<v Speaker 2>the way that we communicate sometimes, the way that we

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<v Speaker 2>make decisions, sometimes, the way that we do All of

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff which starts with a thought is problematic. And

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<v Speaker 2>so again we default to self awareness, not self loathing,

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<v Speaker 2>and we say, all right, well, what can I do

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<v Speaker 2>about that? How can I get better? So we are

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<v Speaker 2>around people who, of course have their own beliefs and

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<v Speaker 2>values and ideas, and I think the challenge in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of that is to be able to listen to.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't listen everyone, but listen to the people that

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<v Speaker 2>you think are worth listening to. Pay attention, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like consider what they're saying, Like with this podcast, don't

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<v Speaker 2>believe everything I say because you know some of you

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<v Speaker 2>may like me or think I mildly interesting. Perhaps consider

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying and then think about whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>it's worth opening the door on the thoughts and ideas

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<v Speaker 2>and advice that I might present over the next thirty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes or so, and then go do your own research.

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<v Speaker 2>So look like he's a really fundamental question. Does my

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<v Speaker 2>thinking empower me or disempower me? For the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>is it catapulting me forward? Or is it holding me back?

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<v Speaker 2>Is the contents of my mind? Are the contents of

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<v Speaker 2>my mind more of a positive or more of a

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<v Speaker 2>negative on average? Again, self awareness, And if the answer

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<v Speaker 2>is like, my mind is getting in the way, Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>my thoughts are getting in the way. Sometimes I am

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<v Speaker 2>self sabotaging. I am wasting potential and time and energy.

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<v Speaker 2>I am obsessing about shit that I can't change, certain

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<v Speaker 2>beliefs that I didn't even choose I've got certain ways

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<v Speaker 2>of thinking and looking at the world that I didn't choose.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think like this because Dad thinks like this,

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<v Speaker 2>or that dude that I love thinks like this, or

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<v Speaker 2>this person.

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<v Speaker 1>That I respect. I didn't actually choose this myself.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just an an emotional contagion. This is social osmosis,

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<v Speaker 2>where I've been around certain people who think and feel

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<v Speaker 2>and communicate and behave and live a certain way, and

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm a version of them. And like I said

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<v Speaker 2>to you, if the byproduct of that is positive, probably

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to worry.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely something to be said for becoming aware of your

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<v Speaker 2>own programming, your own conditioning, the influence that others have

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<v Speaker 2>had on you. And in this moment in time, as you,

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<v Speaker 2>as I say this, for me, as you listen to this,

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<v Speaker 2>for you to think about, why do I think the

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<v Speaker 2>way that I do and.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it working?

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<v Speaker 2>So back to the original question or statement, is that

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<v Speaker 2>we become the average of the five people we spend

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<v Speaker 2>the most time with. I think the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 2>that that's not literally true. It's interesting though, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>generally I think generally somewhat true. You will see things

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<v Speaker 2>in me that are a reflection of the five people

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<v Speaker 2>or ten people or you know. However, many people that

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<v Speaker 2>I respect or I look up to, or I love,

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<v Speaker 2>or that are important to me, you will see things

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<v Speaker 2>which in me are an expression of them. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>not true that you know you are a numerical average

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, your friends, I qus incomes traits, behavior's mindset.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not literally true. And also, of course some people

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<v Speaker 2>resist peer influence more than others. You know, personality, self awareness,

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<v Speaker 2>and values matter. Some people are really are naturally I

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<v Speaker 2>think more critical thinkers and question things and push back.

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<v Speaker 2>I think even though I in my life have many

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<v Speaker 2>times succumbed to I call it the enormity of conformity,

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<v Speaker 2>where I've stepped into line where it's not my proudest moment,

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<v Speaker 2>but times when I've really kind of compromised myself because

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I wanted to belong to a certain group.

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<v Speaker 1>Without going into it.

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<v Speaker 2>But eventually, even within the context of that group or

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<v Speaker 2>those groups that I belong to, at times I would

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<v Speaker 2>get in inverted commas in trouble because I would question

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<v Speaker 2>the group think. I would not agree with an idea,

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<v Speaker 2>I would not agree with an attitude or a belief,

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<v Speaker 2>or at the very least I would question that. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>remember that the price of membership to a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>groups is that you believe what we believe, you think,

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<v Speaker 2>what you think, you behave how we behave you conform,

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<v Speaker 2>and to belong to this group, you can't have other beliefs.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to have these beliefs. You can't think unless

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<v Speaker 2>you unless you're independent thinking happens to align with the

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<v Speaker 2>group thinking. Well, then that's cool, that's tickety boo, that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>big tick for you. But if your independent thinking doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>align with the group thinking, with the mantra, with the mission,

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<v Speaker 2>with the ideology or theology or philosophy or whatever the

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<v Speaker 2>group is, well then you can't belong because your membership

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<v Speaker 2>to that group is dependent on you not disagreeing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>dependent on you not thinking individually, independently or critically unless

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<v Speaker 2>that critical thought aligns with the group thought. And not

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<v Speaker 2>only can you not think for yourself unless we're happy

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<v Speaker 2>with it, of course, unless we the group are happy

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<v Speaker 2>with your independent thinking or it meets certain criteria. Not

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<v Speaker 2>only can you not we will then make you feel

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<v Speaker 2>bad and guilty and less than and potentially scared because

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<v Speaker 2>there is a very real nudge, nudge, wink wink price

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for not thinking like we think and for

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<v Speaker 2>pushing back and questioning. Here's the fucking kicker, the truth

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<v Speaker 2>because our group, fuck all the other groups. Our group

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<v Speaker 2>has the truth. I'm not just talking about religion, think,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just talking about religon.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many groups which basically are cults. They

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<v Speaker 2>are thought cults where they try to control people. And

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<v Speaker 2>why do they want to control people? Why do they

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<v Speaker 2>want to manipulate people, you know, with all of this

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<v Speaker 2>fear based ideology in philosophy and theology, because it's in

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<v Speaker 2>their interest to have people scared, it's in their interest

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<v Speaker 2>to have people fully committed, because we can only grow

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<v Speaker 2>if we can control and manipulate people. And as you

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<v Speaker 2>probably are becoming aware, I farcking hate this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that to say all groups are bad?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course not.

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<v Speaker 2>There are some great groups. There are some great groups.

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<v Speaker 2>But the best groups are the groups where we're not

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<v Speaker 2>living in an echo chamber. We don't all have to

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<v Speaker 2>think identically, we don't all have to conform to a

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<v Speaker 2>certain paradigm or philosophy of thought. We don't all have

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<v Speaker 2>to We might actually have quite divergent thinking and ideas

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<v Speaker 2>and lifestyles and behaviors. There's probably some commonality, like we

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<v Speaker 2>don't do horrible shit and we don't hurt people. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we operate in love as much as we can. But

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<v Speaker 2>there can be a broad cross section of ideas and

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<v Speaker 2>beliefs and philosophies and ideologies even within the same group,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's not one of the aforementioned groups.

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<v Speaker 1>So, in other words, if it's the right kind of group.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I know I've spoken about this many times when

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<v Speaker 2>I talk about our programming, but I just think it's

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<v Speaker 2>important to revisit again. And why Because because we've all

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<v Speaker 2>been programmed or influenced.

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<v Speaker 1>As to how we.

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<v Speaker 2>Think and how we live and how we behave and

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<v Speaker 2>what we eat, and whether or not we exercise, and

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<v Speaker 2>who we hang out with and why we hang out

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<v Speaker 2>with them, and whether or not we believe in God

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<v Speaker 2>or multiple gods or this God or that God, or

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<v Speaker 2>most of that kind of internal reality is a byproduct

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<v Speaker 2>of who we've been around, or what we've seen or

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<v Speaker 2>what we've been exposed to, And at the very least

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<v Speaker 2>it's a byproduct of influence, if not control and manipulation

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<v Speaker 2>in some cases, So the really big challenge, as I

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<v Speaker 2>see it again, this is just me thinking out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>If you think it's bullshit, ignore me, turn off right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll see you. I'll never see you next time.

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<v Speaker 1>All good.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I see it, and this is someone who

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<v Speaker 2>grew up in a very specific school or echo chamber

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<v Speaker 2>of thought, the challenge for us is to recognize the

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<v Speaker 2>gap between what is happening or what is true, what

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<v Speaker 2>is objectively true, and what we think is true. So

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<v Speaker 2>even in a practical sense, out in the world when

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<v Speaker 2>things are going on, so the gap between the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that's going on, the event, the circumstances, situation, what the

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<v Speaker 2>person's saying, and my story, my story about that thing,

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<v Speaker 2>because the thing and my story are quite different. One

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<v Speaker 2>is a stimulus. One is a response. So something goes

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<v Speaker 2>on in the world, I tell myself a story, and

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<v Speaker 2>my story might be, Oh, that guy is a bad

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<v Speaker 2>guy because that guy is in the wrong religion, or

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<v Speaker 2>that guy does this or does that, or looks a

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<v Speaker 2>certain way or dresses a certain way that doesn't fit

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<v Speaker 2>into my version or my story of how he or

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<v Speaker 2>she should dress or live, or worship or eat or

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<v Speaker 2>behave or interaction act or marry or not marry. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't fit in with my story of what is right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not just observing something. I'm telling myself about

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<v Speaker 2>the something that I'm observing. And so in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of that is a story. Now consciousness awareness is me

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<v Speaker 2>and you being able to recognize the thing or there's

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<v Speaker 2>a person on the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the street.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing, that's just that's the recognition, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the story is what I tell myself about that person

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the street. Now, awareness and

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<v Speaker 2>opening the door on consciousness and critical thinking is being

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<v Speaker 2>able to recognize the gap between the objective reality of

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<v Speaker 2>the person on the other side of the street and

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<v Speaker 2>your subsequent story about it. That's awareness, that's step one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's consciousness. That's opening a door to a different level

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<v Speaker 2>of thinking and experiencing.

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<v Speaker 1>And so for us as we move through the world,

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<v Speaker 1>as we move through.

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<v Speaker 2>Days, is to be able to in the moment, which

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<v Speaker 2>is really hard because this is like level nine self awareness,

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<v Speaker 2>which is difficult, is to be able to recognize, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I reacted that way, or I think this way, or

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<v Speaker 2>I'm processing this experience this way, or in fact, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>even having this experience because of how I think, and

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<v Speaker 2>how I think is because of my programming. Now, programming

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<v Speaker 2>is not bad. Programming is part of the human experience.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's recognizing what are the components or what of

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<v Speaker 2>my programming, which you know came via my education and

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<v Speaker 2>my parents and my friends and where I grew up

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<v Speaker 2>and how I grew up and what I did and

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<v Speaker 2>who I hung out with. That's all programming, that's all influence.

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<v Speaker 2>What of that is really working for me? And what

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<v Speaker 2>has become a problem for me? What is a limitation?

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<v Speaker 2>How does the way that I see the world, How

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<v Speaker 2>does the way that I think, How does the way

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<v Speaker 2>that I process life and do life as a result

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<v Speaker 2>of that programming?

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<v Speaker 1>How does that affect me?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>For good and for bad?

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<v Speaker 2>Personally, I always have to be aware that I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>through the Craig window, and the Craig window sometimes is

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<v Speaker 2>a fucked up window. Sometimes the Craig window is not

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<v Speaker 2>a great window. Sometimes I'm looking at something through a

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<v Speaker 2>lens that is not particularly uplifting or empowering or positive.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes that is what's going on for me, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure that's going on for you sometimes. But here's what

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<v Speaker 2>not to do. When you're doing that, don't beat yourself up,

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<v Speaker 2>done self loath. Guess what that jeeves fuck all, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not true. What it achieves is you putting yourself

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<v Speaker 2>in a worse place emotionally and psychologically. So what I

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<v Speaker 2>do is, or what I try to do is and

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to most of the time these days, when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking through that shit window or that shit filter

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm telling myself of stories or a story of

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<v Speaker 2>doom and gloom, I try to catch myself in the

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<v Speaker 2>moment and go, oh, listen to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I can Debbie Downer.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Debbie, I don't know why people say that,

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<v Speaker 2>or Dave Downer or Craig Downer. Let's go with Craig Downer,

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<v Speaker 2>and to realize what I am doing and then try

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<v Speaker 2>to And this is like, this is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>tough things.

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying this to Tiff the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the hardest things about, truly about personal growth

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<v Speaker 2>is in the middle of the shit, to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to lean into the lessons and the wisdom and the

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<v Speaker 2>truth and in that moment when you want to tell

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<v Speaker 2>someone or something to fuck off, is to then to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to self manage self regulate, be self aware.

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<v Speaker 2>It's easy to apply all this stuff when life's good

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<v Speaker 2>and the day's good and the winds at our back

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<v Speaker 2>and it's sunny and shit's great.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not really where we learn and grow and evolve.

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<v Speaker 2>The tough thing is, you know, when I'm in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of something and I want to be right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's another thing too.

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<v Speaker 2>How attached are we to our thinking and our beliefs

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<v Speaker 2>and our version of truth, our version of what is real.

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<v Speaker 2>We are super attached to that. And so when you

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<v Speaker 2>come into the picture and then you come in with

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<v Speaker 2>a dialogue or a version that is not like my version,

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<v Speaker 2>your story ain't my story, Well that means either one

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<v Speaker 2>of us is wrong or both of us are wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>But either way, I don't be the one that's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can fuck off. Because my identity and my

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<v Speaker 2>happiness and my calm and the way that I manage

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<v Speaker 2>my fear is I tell myself I'm right.

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<v Speaker 1>But guess what. Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong a lot, You're wrong a lot. How many

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<v Speaker 2>times in your life have you thought something that was untrue?

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<v Speaker 2>How many times have you had an idea that turned

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<v Speaker 2>out to be fucking stupid. I'm thinking, unless you're super

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<v Speaker 2>special a lot. And so to move through life assuming

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<v Speaker 2>that I am right, Assuming that no matter whatever situation

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<v Speaker 2>or argument or confrontation or whatever it is that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of, they're wrong, I'm right. Bibbity bobby boo.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great for my ego, great for my self esteem,

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<v Speaker 2>great for you know, my personal comfort because I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>possibly be wrong. That's too fucking terrifying for me because

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<v Speaker 2>I can't cope. So therefore I'm always right, which again

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<v Speaker 2>that's me building my own emotional and psychological prison. And

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<v Speaker 2>of course I can't be right, of course, so fuck up.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I get things wrong. But you know what's

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<v Speaker 2>actually liberating is going I got it wrong, not justify, justify, rationalized, justify, explained.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, A fuck all that, just go I.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it wrong. I'm sorry, I will do better. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do better.

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<v Speaker 2>I would assume most days, if not all days, every

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<v Speaker 2>day I get something wrong. I might not even be

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<v Speaker 2>aware of it on the same day. I might learn

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<v Speaker 2>a month later, or a week later, a day or

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<v Speaker 2>a year later that I was wrong. But I am

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<v Speaker 2>sure that I get things wrong every single day. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I might have done something or said something on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>even in the last twenty minutes or so, which is wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>which is flawed, which is less than optimal, which is

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<v Speaker 2>not You know, I'm always second guessing myself, even right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I could, I could right now second guess about fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Has this been any good? Should I start again? Have

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<v Speaker 2>I explained myself? Is this confusing? Could I have done

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<v Speaker 2>this better? The answer is, of course I could have

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<v Speaker 2>done this better. Virtually everything I do I could have

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<v Speaker 2>done better. But could I have done it worse? Or

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<v Speaker 2>it could have been a complete shitfest? It could have

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<v Speaker 2>been indecipherable garbage. I don't think it's that.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be that. You'll let me know.

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<v Speaker 2>So all right, let's try to end on something constructive.

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<v Speaker 2>So how there's no three step plan? But how can

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<v Speaker 2>we potentially change the way that we think or become

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<v Speaker 2>more aware of our thinking and more conscious so that

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<v Speaker 2>we can start to truly think as much as it

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<v Speaker 2>is possible, critically and independently of you know, the echo

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<v Speaker 2>chamber that we've lived in for much of our life.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think a big part of.

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<v Speaker 2>It is to be open, truly open, And this takes

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<v Speaker 2>courage guts, humility to the idea that our thinking quite

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<v Speaker 2>often is somewhere between limited and somewhat flaw. Somewhat flawed,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say two completely false, completely incorrect. Sometimes I'll

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<v Speaker 2>say something and it's it's you know, it's like, is

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<v Speaker 2>it accurate to say that we become the average of

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<v Speaker 2>the five person people we spend the most time with. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not accurate, but there's some truth in it, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a limited perspective, but there's some insight in

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<v Speaker 2>some truth. And what it's really saying is that the

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<v Speaker 2>people we spend time around, they influence us the way

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<v Speaker 2>that we think and behave.

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<v Speaker 1>And move through the world all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's but is it totally categorically accurate five people,

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<v Speaker 2>not four, not six, and that we are the average

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<v Speaker 2>numerically and statistically. No, it's not true, right, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>also neither is it complete bullshit? But there have been

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<v Speaker 2>times in my life where I've had to own up

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<v Speaker 2>and step up and say I thought this, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I was completely wrong. I was completely wrong. I got

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<v Speaker 1>it wrong. I had to do a one eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>And for those of you who know me, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>probably guess I'm going to say the food pyramid just

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<v Speaker 2>because it's an easy example. Whereas I not only did

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that the food pyramid was great science, which

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<v Speaker 2>it turned out to be anything but great science. Not

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<v Speaker 2>only did I think that, I also taught that to

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<v Speaker 2>my clients and my students and other people. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I was telling I was sharing a thought, an idea,

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<v Speaker 2>a belief that I held, which, as it turns out wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>So you go, okay, got it wrong. I didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't trying to upset anyone, wasn't trying to mislead anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>But did I mislead people? Did I give out information

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<v Speaker 1>that was incorrect?

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<v Speaker 2>Did I get it wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure? Did the end see that I got it wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>The end not?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah? But ah, but I could rationalize why I got

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<v Speaker 2>it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter. I got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I'll learn better, I'll do better. Will I

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<v Speaker 2>get things wrong moving forward?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course?

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<v Speaker 2>The only way I want is if I don't do anything,

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<v Speaker 2>say anything, be anything to anyone, don't do a podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>don't talk, don't think out loud, don't fucking try anything.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only way you get nothing wrong. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, that doesn't work either, You're still going to

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<v Speaker 2>fuck up because you've got to do something right. So

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<v Speaker 2>what we do is we do the best that we can,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that we will fuck up. We think the way

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<v Speaker 2>we think, knowing that our thinking will be flawed at times.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think also a really important idea, if not

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<v Speaker 2>experiential practice, is to expose ourselves to different stuff out

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<v Speaker 2>of the new echo chamber. Do something, you know how

0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:08.439
<v Speaker 2>people say, Oh, that's not me. Oh gyms aren't me?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I couldn't. That's not a me thing. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just not I'm not saying go to the gym. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying anything in particular, but I'm saying, expose yourself

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<v Speaker 2>to new experiences, new places, new people, new cultures, new information,

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<v Speaker 2>new books, maybe even new podcasts. Who knows, like different ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>different insights, different research. Like I'm changing my mind or

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<v Speaker 2>at least modifying my thinking about things almost every day.

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<v Speaker 2>If not unlearning, I'm just adding to my learning where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>How am I just hearing this now? I'm one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years old. How the fuck am I just finding this

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<v Speaker 1>out now? But I'm glad I did all right? Team

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<v Speaker 1>I may be waffling.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want you to think about your thinking and

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not you're thinking, is actually you're thinking, or

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<v Speaker 2>someone else's thinking that you're just thinking with me