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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Matthew the MORNSI listeners.

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Speaker 1: So a big announcement Thursday the tenth to Someday the thirteenth,

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Speaker 1: I know you've got to go. And this isn't the

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Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, I appreciate your time. I know you

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: How are you all right? Thank you? How's Linddock overlooking.

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Speaker 3: Lind Doock Oval is coming along really beautiful, greening up

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Speaker 1: Well what is it going to do? It is certainly

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Speaker 3: Well, look, the gather round is really the catalyst as

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Speaker 1: You've seen accommodation venues there, caravan parks, the B and

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Speaker 1: All right, will local clubs be able to afford to

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Speaker 3: Of the year, Oh, absolutely absolutely. We want to make

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Speaker 1: The region because you want that obviously, you want that.

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Speaker 3: that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So how much is the investment? What's the

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Speaker 3: we've been able to deliver what we're calling Stage one

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Speaker 1: Okay, so twenty million for the council as.

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Speaker 4: Ah well, we've just just finished and opened up a

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Speaker 3: We had to relocate rugby and we purchased land at

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Speaker 3: We've just done a new soccer pitch and clubrooms. Clubrooms

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Speaker 3: So it's been a very very busy and I must

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Speaker 1: All right, Bim Lunny, appreciate your time. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, then thank you Matthew.

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Speaker 1: Mayor of the Barissa Council on the progress being made

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Speaker 1: Linn on the over there for the AFLs gather round,

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Speaker 1: gather around. Details and the fixture impact have been unveiled

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Speaker 1: we'll have a chat with him after ten o'clock regarding

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Speaker 1: It's a short answer. Would you be able to one day?

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Speaker 1: good morning, good to chat again.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Matthew. How are you all right?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? So what is the chance of the Barossa line?

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Speaker 1: It is still there in her components it's been taken out.

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Speaker 5: pretty slim. I think it's it's a decade now since

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Speaker 1: So, okay, the government is sitting on that. I know,

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Speaker 1: of course the line parts of it have been removed

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that if any return of the line

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Speaker 5: You've mentioned the two roundabouts. I think the one further

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Speaker 5: I think that's fairly easily resolved. That the Murray Street

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Speaker 1: Yes, so it's allowed for tourism, limited use perhaps, And

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Speaker 1: The trains would have to come through very slowly. They

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Speaker 1: The state, so they actually we just can't take them.

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Speaker 5: state government, or whether they're going to ask for favors

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Speaker 5: in return. But yeah, look for gather around, it would

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Speaker 5: be brilliant. It's certainly not going to be in place

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Speaker 5: anything really serious happening. And again it's the under the

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Speaker 5: state government too. We see you know, we talk just

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Speaker 5: now about the report and it hasn't been released. This

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Speaker 5: seems to be a trend with the government at the moment.

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Speaker 5: We've got all these transport reports. There's been to be

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Speaker 5: one on the northern Little Fever Peninsula that's never been released.

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Speaker 5: How hard is it. Surely you're going to spend money

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Speaker 5: coming up with the on transport issues. You get it done,

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Speaker 5: you released it so we can have a decent discussion

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Speaker 5: and about what should be done next.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. Look, there's an adage about

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Speaker 1: the outcome is going to be or an inquiry.

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Speaker 5: Sadly, that's just.

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Speaker 1: I suppose if it's not what you expect, then you

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Speaker 1: keep it quiet.

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Speaker 5: Well, and I think Look, I don't know what the

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Speaker 5: outcome of the Piccolo inquiry was, but you just hear

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Speaker 5: the odd whisper here and there that it was probably

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Speaker 5: a bit more positive than the government would have liked.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, but in opposition they wanted to do it,

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Speaker 1: didn't they They called for it to be reopened.

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Speaker 5: Oh, we all know that. It's always eased to do that.

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Speaker 5: Then you said, look, there will be a cost involved.

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Speaker 5: And what we're seeing with all these projects, what we

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Speaker 5: saw with the new extension to Port Dot, they always

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Speaker 5: end up costing a lot more than you think first

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Speaker 5: think they're going to cost. And I think the Brussels

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Speaker 5: would be a case in point there. As you said,

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Speaker 5: the over even though the tracks fit there, over a

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Speaker 5: decade it loses its condition. So it's not just you

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Speaker 5: just sort of say it's open again and run a

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Speaker 5: test train over it and wave a flag and then

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Speaker 5: say okay, we're ready to go. Sometimes you've got to

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Speaker 5: do some serious rebuilding, you know, And that's when the

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Speaker 5: cost the millions start backing up. We'd be lovely to see,

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Speaker 5: but I think we're away off yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned Port Doc, you know, fifty one million.

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Speaker 1: It seems to me, and I put this to the

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Speaker 1: minister as well, and he says, you know, every line,

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Speaker 1: remaining line is on the table and under review, but

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Speaker 1: it seems to take a long, long long time. But

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Speaker 1: for that value, that fifty million, it's a no brainer

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Speaker 1: to me to open the Rosewater Loop through that is

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Speaker 1: still sitting there. The track is still there. Again, would

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Speaker 1: probably need a lot of work, but especially at the

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Speaker 1: Dry Creek end where it would be a shared line

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Speaker 1: with Horizon and freight trains. But what a way to

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Speaker 1: bring people from Gaula, Salisbury Elizabeth into the port on

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Speaker 1: that train by using the old Rosewater Loop. It's still

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Speaker 1: there and adds value to that fifty million dollars at

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Speaker 1: Port Dock.

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Speaker 5: I think, I think with the Rosewater Loop, I think

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Speaker 5: the issue there is you've got to work really hard

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Speaker 5: to get people out of their cars. I'm back on

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Speaker 5: the rail and I think our network in Adelaide is

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Speaker 5: underutilized and I think you've got to through the Rosewater Loop.

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Speaker 5: There are a lot again I hate half on about

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Speaker 5: the cost, but there are a lot of costs with

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Speaker 5: with reinstating that because you've got a duel go again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, it was it was used to.

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Speaker 5: Be dual gauge, broad and standard. A suburban network is

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Speaker 5: broad gauge. Unfortunately, when that has that, the Rosewater Loop

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Speaker 5: hasn't seen a passive of frame. I think in all

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Speaker 5: the time I've been in Adelaide, which is forty years now,

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Speaker 5: and they over time they've ripped up the broad gauge

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Speaker 5: rail on that. So basically you've got to you've got

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Speaker 5: to rebuild the line to duel gauge. You've also got

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Speaker 5: all the switches and the points, especially it's dry free.

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Speaker 5: It's quite complex there again, the uh, it's you've got

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Speaker 5: to you've got to find a way to get people

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Speaker 5: out of their cars.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, well that's that's the crux of it. That's why

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Speaker 1: we don't have trains to places we're used to. Simple

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Speaker 1: as that, Mark, appreciate your insights.

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Speaker 5: Thank you nowhere is thanks to time that good on

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Speaker 1: Your rail expert in analyst Mark Carter