1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: From the newsroom and News to CONDOHI. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: There, I'm Andrew Bucklow. Now I am sure that you'll 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: remember this horrific incident which took place last November that 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: made headlines around the world. 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: A sixth tourist has died in a suspected mass methanol 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 3: poisoning in the Southeast Asian nation of Laos. 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 4: Methanol is often used to make counterfeit booze because it's 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 4: cheaper than ethanol. 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Among the victims British woman Simone White, a young lawyer 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: from London. Two best friends from Australia have also died, 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: Holly Bowls and Bianca Jones. 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: One person who survived the poisoning is Simone White's best 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: friend Bethany Clark. Despite being unwell herself, she helped get 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: her friend to hospital and remained by her side until 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: Simone's mum, Sue arrived from the UK. In this episode, Bethany, 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: who now lives in Brisbane, will open up to news 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: dot com Dot I Use travel editor Vanessa Brown about 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: her holiday from hell and reveal how she's coping six 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: months on. 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 4: First and foremost, I just did want to thank you 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 4: again for sitting down with me to talk about an 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 4: experience that nobody you should ever have to go through. 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 4: I guess I just want to start from the beginning. 24 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 4: You were on the holiday you know, of a lifetime 25 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 4: Simone and yourself, you traveled before. How did you land 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 4: on Southeast Asia for this trip in particular? 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 5: So we wanted somewhere that was a halfway point between 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 5: Brisbane and the UK, and we initially decided on going 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 5: to Cambodia. After a while, Simone then thought it would 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 5: be good to do Lao at the same time. 31 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 3: So we met in Cambodia. 32 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 5: We were literally there for about a day and a 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 5: half and then we flew onto Vantian, stayed one night 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 5: in Vntian, and then went on to Vang Viang. We 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 5: did the tubing on the first day that we were there, 36 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 5: and then yeah, in the evening we had the drinks. 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: Tell me a little bit about how that played out. 38 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 4: Was there anything to signify that maybe the bar wasn't 39 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 4: a good feature or anything like that. 40 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 5: Not really, So we just noted that there was a 41 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 5: happy hour between eight and ten. I just presumed that 42 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 5: because that would be happening every day, that you know, 43 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 5: there wouldn't be any issues with that. 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 3: The host had great ratings. 45 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 5: I didn't have any reason to suspect that there was 46 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 5: anything wrong. And we just got down there for quarter 47 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 5: past eight and had five to six drinks, which we 48 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 5: were getting as shots, and then we were buying sprite, 49 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 5: and then we were just mixing the two with a 50 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 5: little bit of ice. Yeah, there was nothing, I think 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 5: really for me to have known there was any red flags. 52 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 5: I just remember drinking it and thinking it didn't have 53 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 5: a strong taste. But maybe that was just because there 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 5: was a lot of ice in there. But methanol doesn't 55 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 5: Methanol doesn't taste of really very much, so you wouldn't 56 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 5: be able to distinguish between our cool and methanol. You 57 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,559 Speaker 5: you wouldn't have any idea. 58 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: And that's what's so scary about it. 59 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: After you consumed the drinks, you went out and about 60 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 4: that night with your fellow backpackers staying at the hotel. 61 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 3: Is that right? I just stayed in the hostel. 62 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 5: There was sort of four in the group that I 63 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 5: was in because we'd met another girl, and at about 64 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 5: quarterbus ten, half ten, I decided I'd had enough. I 65 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 5: don't know whether I was already starting to get the 66 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 5: fatigue or whether it was jet lag, but I decided 67 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: to go to bed and the other three went on 68 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 5: to an Irish bar. The Irish bar was the one 69 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 5: that we'd been in the night before, so we knew 70 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 5: that that was absolutely fine. But yeah, they had a 71 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 5: few drinks in there, and then came back to the 72 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 5: hostel once I was asleep at about half midnight. And 73 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 5: then the following day we got up to do a tour, 74 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 5: which we'd had planned. 75 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: We all just agreed we felt slightly off. 76 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 5: One of our friends described it is feeling drunk, but 77 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 5: I'm not sure because I feel like when you're drunk, 78 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 5: you're happy, and this was a bit more, I don't know, 79 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 5: just a bit of a sense that there wasn't something 80 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 5: quite right and you couldn't put your finger on what 81 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 5: it was. 82 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: You wouldn't never feel as. 83 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 5: Fatigued as we felt that day, So yeah, we started 84 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 5: our tour and it just progressively got worse during that day. 85 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: Described me some the symptoms that you felt. 86 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 5: It's difficult because we were in a state of cognitive decline, 87 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 5: so we were already thinking. We weren't able to think clearly, 88 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 5: and that was one of the main things that I 89 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 5: think It didn't help on that day because I couldn't 90 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 5: make many decisions. I couldn't think straight when we did 91 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 5: our tour smot and I just had no appetite, which 92 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 5: is the other thing that you can get in methanol 93 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 5: poisoning as well. We don't have an appetite. We did 94 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 5: eat a small amount, but yeah, we're just not interested 95 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 5: in food. We weren't able to swim. We didn't have 96 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 5: the energy to get in the blue lagoon and swim, 97 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 5: which again is very unusual for us because we liked 98 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 5: doing that sort of thing. And then as the tour progressed, 99 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 5: we went on to do the kayaking, and the kayaking 100 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 5: was where I noticed that there was definitely a problem 101 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 5: because Smod and I were having to just lay down 102 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 5: the backs of the kayaks, weren't able to actually use 103 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 5: our arms to paddle, So again that was quite concerning, 104 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 5: and the fact that Simone was being sick off one 105 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 5: of the kayaks as well indicated that there was definitely 106 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 5: something not right, but it was just something I had 107 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 5: to just accept. At the time, I had no way 108 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 5: of getting any help from anyone. No one really seemed 109 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 5: to take any interest at the time, you know, the 110 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 5: guys that were taking us around the tour, they weren't 111 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,799 Speaker 5: really concerned, so I just had to kind of accept 112 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 5: my fate in a way and just continue with the 113 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 5: rest of the morning as normal. So that's when we 114 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 5: got back to the hostel. We then went onto a 115 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 5: minibus to go into Vantian, which was the next place 116 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 5: that we needed to be for our trip, and I 117 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 5: as soon as I got on the bus, I just 118 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 5: fell asleep at the back of the bus, and then 119 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 5: our friend just shouted, you know, can you get off. 120 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: Someone's being sick. 121 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 5: So I got off, and then I fainted, which I've 122 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 5: never done before, so that should have been an alarm bell, 123 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 5: but for some reason wasn't. I think because of this 124 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 5: cognitive decline thing that I'm describing. 125 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: So we got straight back on. 126 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 5: No one around us took any interest, which again was 127 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 5: a bit strange, and then our friend decided that we'd 128 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 5: be taken to a hospital, so we ended up in 129 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 5: a public hospital. They hadn't got clue what was wrong 130 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 5: with us. They were coming up with food poisoning, they weren't. 131 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 5: They weren't doing the right blood tests. They just did 132 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 5: like full blood count and electrolyte panels, which aren't going 133 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 5: to show metabolic casidosis tool. And then after a while, 134 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 5: about sort of twenty four hours in so mine started 135 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 5: to go into respiratory distress, so she started gasping for air. 136 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 5: She then wasn't able to talk to me. She wasn't 137 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 5: able to really look at me properly. She had her 138 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 5: eyes open, but they were just like glazed. She wasn't 139 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 5: able to concentrate on me. And they were saying to me, 140 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 5: she's really anxious, and I was saying, well, she's not 141 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 5: anxious as a person. This doesn't make sense. So they 142 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 5: did it was downfetamine. I was like, no, we haven't 143 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 5: taken drugs. So they just had absolutely no idea what 144 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 5: to do with her. They gave her oxygen, but again 145 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 5: it was just not the right treatment. She needed to 146 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 5: have had dialysis at that point, I think. 147 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: But it wasn't until to past eleven. 148 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 5: After a lot of delays with getting the private ambulance 149 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 5: there due to their not realizing we had insurance when 150 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 5: we did have insurance and things like that, we got 151 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 5: there at about half eleven in the evening, so sort 152 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 5: of twenty seven twenty eight hours after the drinks, and 153 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 5: as soon as we got there, they whisked her off 154 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 5: a dialysis and just said, we'll do everything we can 155 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 5: to save her life. 156 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: So I was just handed a load of forms to 157 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: fill in. 158 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 5: Obviously, in my dodgy state, I was just having to 159 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 5: sort of wake up from being asleep, and they'd say 160 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 5: can you sign this and can you pay for this? 161 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 5: And yeah, it was just horrendous, and yeah, they did 162 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 5: their best for her. She actually had five seizures during 163 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 5: the process. Her brain damage had already occurred basically. So 164 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 5: the next day I messaged Sue and said, we're all 165 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 5: in hospital with metabolic acidosis, which is where the blood's 166 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 5: very acidic, and they were treating us with. 167 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: Something for that, sodium byicarbonate. 168 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 5: They didn't have the antidote for methanol poisoning, which is 169 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 5: for mepazole, so we just had to go along with 170 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 5: that treatment. And yeah, Simone ended up needing brain surgery, 171 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 5: which I had to ring Sue to get consent for. 172 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 5: And luckily by the time Sue arrived, she hadn't actually 173 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 5: gone in yet because we were waiting for her to 174 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 5: have a couple of blood transfusions. 175 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 3: So Sue literally got there as she was being wheeled. 176 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 5: Obviously all her hair was shaved off, but it's good 177 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 5: that she got there when she did. And then a 178 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 5: few hours later we found out that although the brain 179 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 5: surgery was sort of successful, she'd developed a bleed on 180 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 5: that side of the brain as a result of the surgery, 181 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 5: and then the other side of her brain then was 182 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 5: swollen as well. So at that point then neurosurgeon said, look, 183 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 5: she's just going to end up in a coma regardless 184 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 5: of what we do. 185 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 3: So yeah, the decision was made just to leave leave it, 186 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: and they. 187 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 5: Said that she'd have to die naturally, but because her 188 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 5: heart was so strong, that wasn't really something that would 189 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 5: have been possible. 190 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: So in the end, Sue had to. 191 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 5: Speak to the British embassy and he had spoken to 192 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 5: the hospital, and eventually they agreed that Sue could turn 193 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 5: off Simon's life support. They weren't obviously happy initially with 194 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 5: that idea because they're Buddhist and they kind of want 195 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 5: a prolonged life, not end it, but it was just 196 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 5: a necessary thing that had to happen. So Sue had 197 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 5: had to end to end Simon's life, and she had 198 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 5: I think three attempts trying to turn the machine off, 199 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 5: but because she had no member of staff in there, 200 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 5: it was just agonizing. It took a very long time 201 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 5: because of various things she needed to do, like turn 202 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 5: off the backup ventilate to take out the tube. 203 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just horrendous being in that hospital, and 204 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 3: to be honest here it was just time. 205 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 5: I never want to go back to you. It's just yeah, awful. 206 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: Bethany's story continues in just a moment. 207 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 6: Twenty eight year old Simone White was a talented lawyer 208 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 6: from Southeast London with a bright future, killed in a 209 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 6: suspected mass poisoning in Love. In a statement, her devastated 210 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 6: parents said, Simone was one of a kind with the 211 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 6: most wonderful energy and spark for life. She was the 212 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 6: soul who gave so much to so many. 213 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: Your situation traveling with a friend Sertheast Asia. It's one 214 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 4: of the most popular destinations, especially for Australian travelers, young 215 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: Australian travelers. 216 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: We've all been there. 217 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 4: We've been at a bar, we've trusted the drink that 218 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 4: we're receiving. I understand you have a message that you 219 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 4: want to put out there and that some advice that 220 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 4: you want to give other travelers about what to drink 221 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 4: and how to drink when you're traveling abroad. 222 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, so we're really going with the steer clear drink beer, 223 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 5: and if you really wanted spirits, you could get them 224 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 5: from duty free. It's just the only way that you're 225 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 5: going to know that those drinks are safe. It's not 226 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 5: worth taking the risk. You don't know what you're going 227 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 5: to get. 228 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 4: How is this impacted I guess your you know, future 229 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 4: and your future travels and things, so you sort of 230 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,239 Speaker 4: how has it impacted you going through something. 231 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 5: Like this Having experienced the healthcare in Low now, obviously 232 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 5: it was very unpleasant being in that hospital. You know, 233 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 5: I was ripping my own canyons out to go to 234 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 5: the toilet and things like that. I just I don't 235 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 5: want to ever experience that sort of healthcare again. And 236 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 5: you just don't know what's going to happen to you 237 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 5: on holiday. It wouldn't even necessarily be methanol poison. It 238 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 5: could be something completely unrelated that you end up having 239 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 5: to go to one of those hospitals. So I won't 240 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 5: be doing any more traveling around those those areas now. 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 5: And yeah, for sure, I won't drinking any any local 242 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 5: spirits in any of those countries. And it's good if 243 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 5: people want to go on the Medicine's on Frontier website 244 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 5: because they have a page about all of the global outbreaks, 245 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 5: so they'll be able to do their own research and 246 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,559 Speaker 5: see where it's happening. And it is happening pretty much 247 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 5: across across the world. So yeah, it's just really important 248 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 5: that people do that research. 249 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 4: It's, as I said, six six mile, like, are you 250 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 4: doing things to take care of yourself in this? I 251 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 4: don't even know how you move on from this? 252 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think it's it's been good for 253 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 5: me to have this petition because it's been a reframing 254 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 5: of what's going on in my. 255 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: Head as well. 256 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 5: So it's instead of my focus being about the trauma, 257 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 5: I've kind of got this to focus on, which I 258 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 5: know isn't great because it's probably not dealing with the 259 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 5: actual trauma. 260 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: But I think time also heals. 261 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 5: And also I didn't want some mine's death to be 262 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 5: in vain and I didn't want other people to go 263 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 5: through this, So I think this was just the ideal 264 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 5: opportunity to start for me to start talking. Now that 265 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 5: I'm out of the UK where all the memories were. 266 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 3: And how so mum doing so? 267 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, probably not great. 268 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: She's doing better. 269 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 5: I think she just needs a bit of time now 270 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 5: to just think about what's actually happened. It's still really 271 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 5: surreal for me, so I have no idea sort of 272 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 5: what's going on in her head because it's a lot 273 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 5: for me to get my head around. 274 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 2: That was Bethany Clark speaking to our travel editor Vanessa 275 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: Brown there. 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