WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 7 May 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:01.680 Lately. 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.359 Welcome to the late Base. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:08.880 Thanks for joining us. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.560 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storra and Caleb Bond. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:12.399 Coming up tonight. 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.840 A woman taken to court for feeding her neighbor's cat. Yes, 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:20.520 in Switzerland, that's a crime. We'll explain why a little later. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.880 Plus when we look at tomorrow's headlines, the Greens searching 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:27.000 for a new leader after Adam Bant was ejected from 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.720 Parliament by voters, and the New South Wales Police looking 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.680 for a new commissioner after the sudden resignation of Karen Wheb. 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.360 We'll get to that shortly, but we're starting tonight with 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:42.440 artificial intelligence, which is developing at such an astonishingly fast 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.840 rate it poses a threat to the survival of humanity. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.959 That's the opinion of an American billionaire, Paul Tudor Jones, 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.960 after he met privately with forty leaders. He says household 0:00:55.040 --> 0:01:00.920 names we would all recognize in politics, finance, science, and tech. 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.000 He says, these leaders all agreed that AI is set 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:09.440 to transform things like education and healthcare, so that's good. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:11.759 But on the flip side, he said, all of these 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.040 leaders who we would all know if we knew their 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:18.759 names agreed AI could easily be turned against humanity. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.039 Here's some of what he had to say. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:30.360 AI clearly poses an imminent threat, security threat, imminent in 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:35.560 our lifetimes to humanity. And they said the competitive dynamic 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:40.559 is so intense among the companies and then geopolitically between 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:46.560 Russia and China, that there's no agency, no ability to 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:51.240 stop and say maybe we should think about what actually 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:55.600 we're creating and building here and so. And the final 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:57.640 question is, well, what are you doing about He said, well, 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.320 I'm buying one hundred acre is in the Midwest. I'm 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.840 getting cattle and chickens, and I'm laying in provisions. 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.559 For real, for real, for real. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.960 And that was obviously a little disconcerting. And then he 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:13.840 went on to say, I think it's going to take 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:18.640 an accident where fifty to one hundred million people die 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.200 to make the world take the thread of this really 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:23.840 seriously now. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.799 As if that's not alarming enough, Juda Jones went on 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:30.680 to say that these forty leaders in politics, finance, science, 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.959 and DAI had a breakout session where they were presented 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.520 with a series of propositions and asked whether they agreed 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:38.639 or disagreed. 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:40.280 Have a listened to what happened. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:46.080 One of the propositions was, there's a ten percent chance 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.840 in the next twenty years that AI will kill fifty 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:56.360 percent of humanity. So there's a ten percent chance that 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.200 AI will kill fifty percent of humanity in the next 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:05.120 twenty years. All four modelers we're on the agree side 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.720 of that, All four of the leading developers of the 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.880 AAR models, we're on that side. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.520 What's really alarming about this, Calebin Lizz is this isn't 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.080 some crank from left field. This is a very well 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.840 respected businessman who has strong contacts in the key aspects 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.000 of American society and culture, saying this is what they're 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:28.760 all thinking. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.640 Absolutely, and we've heard this from Elon Musk himself. He's 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:37.040 right at the forefront of theirs. He's the brain chips guy. 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:42.280 He's a total He's a very passionate transhumanist, always has been, 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:43.720 has never tried to hide that. 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.960 We know that he's working on these humanoids. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.760 And he's very excited about pumping thousands of them out. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:54.200 We've shown you that story before here he was talking. Recently, 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.120 also said this on Joe Rogan's podcast, the most watched 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.400 listen to podcast in the world. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:01.640 But here he is talking. 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.800 At a second conference saying something that's alarmingly similar to 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:06.600 what you just heard. 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:11.480 What's the optimistic case for abundance, no shortage of business 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.080 services for anyone on Earth. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.200 It's sort of ten twenty percent probability of something terrible. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:21.839 Happening, tended to probability of what happening something terrible, which 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:31.160 is like how bad it is, extinction, annihilation or whatever. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.840 Says it's so carefully it's easy to relate to it 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.720 like that when you've got the capacity to build bunkers, 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.039 as many of these uber uber rich guys have, like 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.320 Zuckerberg openly talks about bunkers that he's built. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.279 The problem with this is that it's an arms race. 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:55.240 And as we'll this guy discussed, the countries are in 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:59.440 such stiff competition with each other trying to be the 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.240 first to reduce AGI artificial general intelligence. 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.560 And we're told that someone one of. 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.680 These companies is going to crack that by the end 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:09.400 of this year. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.159 It's roughly six months away. We're told. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.880 The problem with inventing AGI is that give that thing 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:24.279 ten minutes and itself will create ASI, artificial super intelligence. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.839 And once you have something with the IQ of a million. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:29.560 That's what we're talking about. Now. 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.960 It will not need human input to evolve anymore. It 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.240 can teach itself things. It can learn whatever it wants. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:42.440 It's like imagining that an ant created you, and now 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.760 that ant is trying to tell you what to do. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.760 Why on Earth would you listen to it. You don't 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:47.880 need that thing anymore. 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:52.000 You are ten billion times smarter than any human being 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.400 on the planet. And what a lot of these tech 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.200 guys are saying. I've seen so many clips of them 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.800 doing this, and it's really funny to see these tech 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.359 nerds talk quite hysterically, like it sounds like, oh, you 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:09.000 guys nutcases, but they're the ones who would know they 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.320 this is exactly what they're saying. They're like, the logical 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.800 conclusion is that this thing will decide you guys are. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.240 Redundant, what do we need you for? 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:22.680 And will seek to eliminate large sways of the population. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.919 It sounds hysterical, but when you think it through, it 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.080 also makes sense because there's nothing this thing can't do. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.920 There's no one it can't control. It knows your desires, 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.479 It can use deep fakes. If this thing wants the 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.119 nuclear codes. You're not going to be able to stop 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.440 it from getting whatever at once. It will be able 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:44.600 to destroy infrastructure, it will be able to do absolutely 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:49.000 whatever it wants. And that seems to be something that 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:50.719 they're openly admitting Kler. 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.760 And yet at the same time, nobody's really doing. 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.600 Anything about it except for building bunkers. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:59.359 Everyone in Tick knows it, and everyone who's worked in 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.800 the sector knows it clear o. Many of you will 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.040 know as a regular on Sky went to a symposium 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.800 in Sydney last week about AI and they were all 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.840 saying exactly the same thing that you know. We're talking 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.600 by the end of the decade, this stuff will be 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.520 so powerful that you cannot that the people who work 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.440 in the industry cannot even fathom exactly how powerful this 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.200 stuff will be by the end of the decade, that's 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.920 within five years, this stuff, and that it is a 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:31.280 serious danger. It poses a serious danger to the human race, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.200 to humanity. And the most bizarre thing is that we've 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.680 built it. We have done this to ourselves. And I 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.880 mean you mentioned Elon Musk two years ago, in fact, 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:42.960 two years and a month ago. It was April two 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.000 years ago, twenty twenty three. He and a bunch of 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:51.680 other tech bosses and engineers from Meta and Google and 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:56.080 Microsoft and whatever signed an open letter. Steve Wozniak, one 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.240 of the founders of Apple, signed an open letter saying 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.120 we need to have a least a six month pause 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.160 on the development of AI technology beyond what was then 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:10.000 GPT for because it is moving too fast and we 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.840 haven't had any time to regulate it or to seriously 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.160 discuss the effects of this and what it's going to 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.280 look like at the end, and that didn't happen, and 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.840 we are fast hurtling towards the world where we could 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.640 be in serious trouble. And because we talked last night 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.000 as well about what it means just at a normal 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.960 human level, taking away your jobs and that sort of 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.480 thing we talked last night about. For the first time 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.360 in the US, they've now got a driverless truck driving 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:38.080 around in the US in Texas, has got no one 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.840 on board whatsoever. So you follow that to its logical conclusion, 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:43.800 you get rid of trackees. Well what are they all 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.360 going to do? And law firms are now using AI 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.480 as well. One of the largest law firms in Australia, 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:55.000 Minter Ellison, is using AI when it's going through discovery 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.480 in court cases now, so they're using AI to just 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.920 you know, way through vast waves of documents to find 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.160 evidence that might be useful in court. I know someone 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.400 who runs a number of very successful businesses and he 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.200 uses AI for basic legal advice as well, just you know, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:15.800 ordinary stuff that's sort of beyond his knowledge but doesn't 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.200 require specialist advice. He'll go and ask chat GPT and 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.840 it comes back with the correct answer. This is where 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.080 we're going. So, of course, in the case of the 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.920 law firm, it means they have to hire far fewer 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:29.640 graduates straight out of UNI who do this sort of 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.160 you know, low level kicking sort of jobs before they 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.079 work their way up. So if you don't have the 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.640 kids coming through doing the low level stuff for the 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:41.000 higher up lawyers, then who eventually becomes the higher up lawyers, 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.880 so on and so forth. So if AI, basically, if 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.240 AI doesn't take your job, it'll take your life. So 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:52.240 it probably doesn't matter anyway, which is the worst outcome. 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.680 Well, the law firm, if they're using graduates to sort 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.160 through documents, they can go through twenty to twenty five 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.440 documents an hour compared to the AI program, which can 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.200 sort through three and a half thousand documents an hour 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.280 and probably with greater accuracy. All bad news, though if 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.880 you've ever paid legal fees, this is fantastic. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.000 I'm sure they'll still fudge those numbers. They'll probably use 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.240 AI but not tell anyone. It's like the fact that 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.400 this thing could be out of hack into anything. 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:21.560 We talk about hackers. 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:25.240 This is going to be the most incredible hacker on 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.680 the face of the planet. There is nothing that it 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.520 won't be able to access. A lot of people think 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:32.720 of robots when we're talking about AI. 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:33.800 No, No, this thing. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.160 Will just be an all encompassing presence that can talk 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.880 to itself in different technologies all around the world constantly. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.000 This whole AI discussion just illustrates perfectly the paradox of 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.440 human nature. Right, we are the most magnificent villains. We're 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:53.440 capable of incredible beauty and ugliness, glory and destruction, and 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.480 so on the one hand, AI will revolutionize healthcare and 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:02.040 education and probably destroy half of humanity's typical of human nature. 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.600 And at our own hands too. Now, how good is 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:08.959 this one? The Emmy nominations have been released. In sixty minutes, 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.960 you'll remember did an interview last year with Kamala Harris 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.480 in the lead up to the presidential election, where they 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.600 asked her lots of questions, including one about the US's 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:24.720 relationship with Israel. This is if you can't remember what 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.680 happened in the interview that was televised and what was 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:33.600 actually said in the interview. But it seems that Prime 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.960 Minister Netanyahu is not listening. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:41.720 Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:47.400 in a number of movements in that region by Israel 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:53.160 that were very much prompted by or a result of 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.360 many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:57.880 in the region. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:02.000 But it seems that Prime Minister Netta, who is not listening. 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.920 We're not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.200 the United States to be clear about where we stand 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.040 on the need for this war to end. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:14.040 I mean fantastic. They made her sound so much smarter 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.720 than she actually is. Of course, Trump has been pursuing 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.800 sixty minutes through the course over this twenty billion dollars 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.600 he's suing them for for interfering with the election. So 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.960 the Emmy nominations come out, and they have given the 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.840 interview a nod and I'll let you guess which category 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:35.079 it's been nominated in Best Edited Interview. And on that front, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.120 I have to say it's probably a very fair nomination 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.520 because that is some of the best editing I've seen 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.920 anywhere in television ever. I mean, if you can make 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.720 Kamala Harris sound a little bit smart, they probably actually 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:50.800 deserve the Emmy. 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.640 If you can make her look intelligent, you deserve an 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.000 award for brilliant editing. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.640 They might rename the Emmys though, the Enemies. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.800 Because, of course that interview not only helped to sway 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:05.680 the election Trump ended up winning, but it did convince 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.360 voters to stay with Kamala Harris. But it was also 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:13.320 potentially dangerous because the question was around Benjaminette Yahoo, the 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:17.160 situation in the Middle East, and it made Kamala Harris 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.280 sound like she was reasonable and on top of her game, 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:24.800 when if you watch the whole interview, clearly she was absolutely. 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:25.960 Flaying about clueless. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.880 So it presented America with an option for president who 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.760 you would have assumed was quite intelligent and reasonable if 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.480 that's the only thing you'd ever seen, But of course 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.640 she was anything but. So this is not just clever 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.360 by the news broadcasters. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.160 It's downright dangerous and misleading. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.240 Well it is, and what a time would be sending 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.880 that Yeah, to be sending that message to the media, like, oh, 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.679 well done for framing this incredibly incompetent woman. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.160 She'd fail finger painting, and we. 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:00.280 All know it as actually being off. I was a 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.400 very decisive answer. She seems really quick on her feet. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.360 It was just edited to edited within an inch of 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.720 its life. I mean the famous saying goes, you can't 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.520 polish a turn. But those guys at CPS, they did 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.280 a really good job of it. And for that reason you, 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.480 like you say, Caleb, maybe they do deserve the award 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.720 because we all know which one of those edits looks far, 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:24.560 far better. 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.200 Is this a middle finger to Donald Trump as well? Because, 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:28.440 as you said, he was in the middle of a 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.600 twenty billion dollar lawsuit against them for what they did 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.320 in terms of interfering with the election through this interview. 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:37.760 To give this interview. 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.440 An award while that case is still underway is clearly 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.440 a deliberate slight against Donald Trump. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.040 Yeah, and unfortunately, I for various reasons, I don't think 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:47.720 that case. 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.360 Is actually going to get up, But good on him. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:49.880 For trying. 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.080 And you can understand why you would. This was primetime TV. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.680 It's one of the major networks in America, hundreds of 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.240 thousands of viewers from all over America, and there they 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.760 were doing their best to shill for the Democrats. 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.640 To surprise, here, they'd also give the message that they 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.360 haven't learned any lessons from the election. Like the even's sake, 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.640 you'd think you'd keep your powder dry for a little while, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.240 but they're like, no, no, we didn't do anything wrong 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.880 through that campaign. It was all good. It was just 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.480 I don't know Trump rigged it or something probably. I mean, 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.760 you know, they did start all that stuff again, just 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.120 like they did in twenty sixteen with the Russian nonsense. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.920 But you know, if you were giving nods to an 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.920 interview that quite clearly was edited to be so biased, 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.320 it was ridiculous. And me're saying, yes, that is worthy 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.040 of recognition. It's proof that the left in America have 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.160 learned nothing from that presidential election. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.080 Oh, they obviously consider it very applause worthy. Something else 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:53.400 that's been considered applause worthy the pullet surprise of breaking news. These, 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:57.560 of course, are iconic images. What photographer doesn't want to 0:15:57.600 --> 0:16:03.160 win a pullet serprize now, especially the Maga family assumed 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:09.640 that Trump's iconic photo after he dodged a bullet at 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.360 the rally in Pennsylvania. 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.600 He has blood streaming down his face. 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.800 He's got his fist raised in defiance as. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.320 He yelled fight, Fight, Fight. 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.840 Everyone thought that the image on your screen there would 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:28.600 take out the prize. Surely nobody could compare to that. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:33.360 But instead, the Bulletzer for Breaking News Photography was awarded 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:39.000 to New York Times photographer Doug Mills, and his photo 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.040 is one of that bullet that you can see there 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:46.960 with the red circle around it whizzing past Trump's head. Now, 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.000 you and I may not be photography critics, we may 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:54.000 have no awards to our name, but the average observa 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:58.280 obviously thinks that that photo is not half as. 0:16:58.400 --> 0:16:59.920 Iconic as Trump. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.600 Fight Fight, Fight photo, with critics now saying no, no, you. 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.800 Guys wouldn't award. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.159 The first photo, the fight photo with the Pulletzer prize 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:15.320 because you knew it made Trump look strong and awesome 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.919 and an absolute icon for all eternity. One of his 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.800 massive fans, Charlie Kirk, who's a conservative influencer in the 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.320 United States of America has millions upon millions. 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:28.960 Of followers tweets. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.960 Evan Vucci's photograph of Donald Trump after last summer's assassination 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:37.600 attempt is iconic, maybe the single most famous photo of 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.160 the past decade. But because it made Trump look good, 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.119 the Pulitzer Prize committee just refused to give it the 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.440 award for Best Breaking News Photograph of twenty twenty four. 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:53.000 What a total joke. It's hard to disagree with that assessment. 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.919 I can't see how it doesn't win. I mean, and 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:59.440 that photo of the bullet whizzing past is Heit is 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:04.480 also excellent news photo, right, But when you're making the decision, 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.640 and I've been in this position as a newspaper chief 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.920 of staff, and you know, what are we going to 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.520 put on the front page? And I go into conference 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.280 and I'm pitching to the editor what I think should 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.080 be on pages one, three, and five, and I'm thinking 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.480 about the visuals to go with it. I'm thinking about 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:24.800 what the story is, etc. That photo that Evan Vucci 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:28.360 took is every single day of the week, the photo 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.879 I'd be pitching to put on the front page because 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.240 it's just a bloody brilliant bit of news photography. It 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:38.240 sums up the moment, right so the end. The New 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.760 York Times photograph is excellent because it is the only 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.320 photograph that exists of that bullet whizzing past his head. 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.719 But it doesn't convey the gravity of the moment. It 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.320 doesn't show exactly what happened on that day. It doesn't 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.720 show the resolve of Donald Trump in the face of 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.760 being shot. It doesn't convey what the Secret Service we're 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.200 going through. I mean, the flag in the perfect position 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:08.840 behind Trump. You could not think of a better news photograph, 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.240 And you couldn't think of a news photograph that's received 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.560 more coverage in the last decade and probably for the 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.960 next decade than that image. I just can't see how 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.680 it doesn't win. They're both great photos, but that one 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:26.440 beats the bullet photo every day of the week for newsworthings. 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.000 Well, the port surprise is just typical of the treatment 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.680 Donald Trump has received over the last decade. Anything, as 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.359 you said, is that shows Trump in a positive light 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:40.040 is rejected by most of the elites. And of course, 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:45.160 when that photograph was taken, news editors actually thought about 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.280 whether or not they should continue publishing it because they 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.880 called it quote unquote dangerous in that it was promoting 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:55.359 Donald Trump. You mentioned the American flag, which is perfectly 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.520 captured in the background there famously, and I think it 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.280 was The New York Times. I might be, but it 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:02.640 was one of the major papers in the US. They 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.160 put that photograph on their front page, but they cut 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.320 out the American flag because they didn't want Trump to 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.280 look patriotic. The other thing this does, of course, is 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:17.000 it completely undermines anybody's esteem for these once prestigious awards. 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:19.840 I mean, who of us watches the Grammys anymore? Or 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.560 the Oscars, even the Nobel Prize. Do you remember in 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.719 two thousand and nine and they gave Obama a Nobel 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.879 Peace Prize. He'd only been president for about eight months, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:33.040 hadn't actually done anything, but because they anticipated that we 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.600 would have a more peaceful world, they gave him terms out. 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.320 Well didn't the president with them some of the worst 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:40.520 foreign policy ever. 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:42.840 But there you go. That's what these awards do. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:47.199 They've been hijacked by lefties and as a consequence, have 0:20:47.359 --> 0:20:50.680 lost all credibility. Let's talk about relationships for a moment, 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.160 because there's two major relationships. I think we're all watching 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:56.000 how It and Megan, we're watching to see what happens there. 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:56.920 And of course the. 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.720 Other relationship everyone is watching is that between the United 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:04.480 States and Canada. Of course, that relationship hit a couple 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.959 of road bumps when Trump said that he would slap 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.800 tariffs on goods coming from Canada, ostensibly to punish them 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:16.520 for having lax border control and for a massive trade 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:21.520 deficit that the US was experiencing. When Trudeau protested, Trump 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.720 started joking about Canada becoming the fifty first. 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.800 State of the United States. 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:30.680 Well, Mark Karney, who took over from Trudeau, he won 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:35.399 his election in Canada demonizing Trump as an existential threat 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.600 to the sovereignty of Canada. So that's the background between 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.720 this tumultuous relationship, and they met at the White House 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.080 over the weekend, so everybody was watching with great anticipation, 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:50.159 especially after that fiasco with Zelenski, when he went to 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.159 the White House to see what would happen between Carney 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.919 and Trump. It didn't start off so well because Trump 0:21:57.000 --> 0:21:59.200 was asked if there was anything Canne could say to 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:03.560 him that would prevent Trump from imposing the tariffs. 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:05.840 Is there anything you can. 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:07.720 Say to you in the course of your. 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:08.560 Needs within today. 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:12.600 That gets you to lift tears on Canada? No, why not? 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:14.159 Just the way it is? 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:20.359 Well, that was pretty blood. 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.480 So you can imagine Mark Canny sitting there thinking why 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.399 did I fly all this way? There's literally no discussion 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.080 to be had. Trump went on to explain how they 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.080 have a two hundred billion dollar deficit in their trade 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:34.000 with Canada, and America are sick of subsidizing. 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:40.239 It's hard to justify subsidizing Canada to the tune of 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:44.960