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Speaker 2: But it's great to be here at last.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't make them believe it, but

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Speaker 1: brain conversation. I've gone from an airline pilot captain who

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Speaker 1: was full of so much logic and talks about resilience

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Speaker 1: playing q F thirty two from crashing to talking to

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Speaker 1: Glenn Pallas, you know, who's like probably one of the

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Speaker 1: fastest right brain people I've ever known in my life.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing and responsible for the full show. And

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Speaker 1: it's a good time to talk because we're going to

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Speaker 1: release this, you know, in a couple of days time.

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Speaker 1: Grand Finals on the weekend startup. Yep. Any predictions for

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Speaker 1: the Grand Final? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Look, you know, I'm massively disappointed that there's not a

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Speaker 2: a wishing list thing for.

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Speaker 1: Us, because we do our line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because we do our massive Thursday night footy

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Speaker 2: show at the entertainment center or wherever with ten thousand people.

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Speaker 1: I remember those shows. They were great.

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Speaker 2: They were huge events, mate, And there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: tickets to sell to make your money back on what

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Speaker 2: we're going are we going to sell this? But they travel,

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Speaker 2: you know, and the Storm fans travel on the Broncos

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Speaker 2: fans travel. So look, I think, you know, i'd probably

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Speaker 2: I think I caught up with Madge a couple of

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Speaker 1: Yep, he's a ripper of a bloke killing it.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to see him win it. But mate, I've

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Speaker 2: still got a deep seated hatred for Queensland, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean too brought up as a Blue were together.

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Speaker 2: We were there mate, back in the Wizard day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we were there. Yeah, first time we first met.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's you know, and it's Melbourne, New South

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And for me, well, what's good about is a

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Speaker 1: two totally different style of plays. So I'm actually very

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Speaker 1: Melomie sort of give him, not give him an inch,

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Speaker 1: or is it going to be razl Dazelris?

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Speaker 2: And I've got a huge amount of respect for Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: I went down there with bellom me one day. He

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Speaker 2: most professional organizations you'll ever meet, you know, you'll ever see. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I'm a massive Billy Slater fan. You know. I

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Speaker 2: And he's one of the best rugby league brains on

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Speaker 1: And improving it through through the State of Origin as

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Speaker 1: So let's let's talk about college. We get a long time.

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Speaker 1: So may I think I sponsored the State of Origins

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Speaker 1: as how far back we go? Was in two thousand

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Speaker 1: at the Footage Show through you being the producer of

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Speaker 1: the Fullty Show. In fact, you've been the ideas behind

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Speaker 2: Okay? So in nineteen ninety four. We were all over it,

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Speaker 2: I'd started at nine in eighty four, was a cameraman

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Speaker 1: And then you should explain what the cottage means.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the great cottage culture. At the old Channel nine

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Speaker 1: Told him you being both stages, Dad, of course, oh, Mate.

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Speaker 2: So Mate, I'd been sent by Being. So this lunatic

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Current Off had its own Current had its.

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Speaker 2: So I'd been down at MTV hanging around there, got

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Speaker 2: So we all then got moved across to where other

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Speaker 2: it was Burnsy's idea to who was our old EP

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Speaker 1: And then bizarrely the network loved it.

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Speaker 1: Well, what was your role producer?

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Speaker 2: fucking what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you should explain the points of prime.

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Speaker 2: and I love Rugby leg It's you know, we got

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Speaker 2: We were just having the best time, you know, and

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Speaker 2: these guys were you know, they one take wonders and

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Speaker 2: one that had go to air.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it didn't matter because that's because the audience

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Speaker 2: And so over three years or so, the executive producers

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Speaker 2: running it by about probably the year that you guys ran.

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Speaker 2: I think I took about ninety eight. I took it

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Speaker 2: over as an executive producer and David Lecky got me

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Speaker 2: side of my head, bouncing off the wall, So what

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Speaker 2: Mate, absolutely, And Lecky takes me up to Peak or

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Speaker 2: it's about help us. Four right cars full of drink,

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Speaker 2: And there's like twenty you know, these execs who I've

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Speaker 2: and gold we're on, you know, and Kerry sent us

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Speaker 2: And because Kerry said I need all my businesses. We're

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Speaker 2: And I think at that stage Threadbow was the go

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Speaker 1: Perish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he goes, I need you blokes to go

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Speaker 2: Stages that would come through David, But yeah, I had

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00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,639
Speaker 2: some great.

437
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah that was about Ginge time.

438
00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't have much to do with Kerry when Lecky

439
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,840
Speaker 2: was there, but when Ginge was there, absolutely, And so

440
00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,480
Speaker 2: I'll tear great story in the second on.

441
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,200
Speaker 1: How we really got together with Kerry.

442
00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, we went down and did the Snow Show

443
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,960
Speaker 2: and you know, I remember Michael Hilly. They had a

444
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,040
Speaker 2: television reading me. Yeah, well he's now had to tell

445
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,200
Speaker 2: it TV out of there. But yeah, I had a

446
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,040
Speaker 2: program rang me the next morning and was reading me

447
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,280
Speaker 2: the ratings out and I was standing in the car

448
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 2: park at Perisher. I thought he was reading me the

449
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,160
Speaker 2: fucking Melbourneooty Show ratings who normally did like those huge

450
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,840
Speaker 2: numbers on a Thursday night and they just tuned into

451
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 2: CEUs in the Snow and they loved it so tick

452
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,000
Speaker 2: that worked. So yeah, it was sort of like, you know,

453
00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,520
Speaker 2: we'd find stuff to put him out of their comfort zone.

454
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 2: And you know, God love him, particularly Fatty, who I

455
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,360
Speaker 2: loved dearly and I caught up with him a couple

456
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 2: of weekends ago. He and Stlow. You know, they would

457
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 2: just you know, they eat bitch and moan, you know,

458
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,520
Speaker 2: but he do it, and he would do it with

459
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 2: great gusto and made he had a bit of Benny

460
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 2: Hill about him.

461
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,280
Speaker 1: The fact, actually there's a good point. It is a

462
00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 1: bit of Beny Hill, a little bit like the Beny

463
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 1: Hill Show.

464
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, well mate, I grew up as a student of

465
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,560
Speaker 2: Hoague's Strap John and Singer. I loved all the ship

466
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,639
Speaker 2: they did in an Australian way of irreverence. I loved that.

467
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 2: And I was also a massive Benny Hill fan, Kenny

468
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,959
Speaker 2: Everett a bit, but Benny Hill. And so there's a

469
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,160
Speaker 2: lot of that from me. That's where that was coming from.

470
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Speaker 1: When you talk Bennie. Actually I got the tune in

471
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 1: and when I was a kid, when I was given

472
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 1: I was a teenager That was a show my mum

473
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Speaker 1: and dad watched on I think it was Thursday night

474
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,399
Speaker 1: at o'clock and I was like, I was let to

475
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 1: stay at nine o'clock watch the Beny Hill Show because

476
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 1: but it was full of ridiculous shit hundred percent just ridiculous.

477
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, ridiculous lots of today.

478
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 1: Oh mate.

479
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 2: We wouldn't get away with doing the footy show today, really,

480
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 2: no no way in the world, not the way we

481
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,720
Speaker 2: did it and the way we'd want to do it.

482
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: No way, no way.

483
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 1: Not because they disrespected women, but more just.

484
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 2: Too many snowflakes, mate. Yeah, you know, we're just offend everybody. Yeah,

485
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,959
Speaker 2: we're offending people back then, you know. And they were

486
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 2: a bit thicker skinned, but mate, way too crape skin. Now,

487
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 2: we'd burst it on the first night and it wouldn't

488
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: it would come back, not in its.

489
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: True self, you know. So so yeah, so that was

490
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 1: that was sort of the what's the Kerry Street? Oh? Mate?

491
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 2: So I just must have taken over the Shark. It

492
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: was around that sort of late nineties or so, and

493
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: I had pretty long hair, and I had earrings, and

494
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 2: I dressed a bit like a cowboy and Peter meekin

495
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 2: Call his head of current affairs calls me and he goes.

496
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 2: Kerry's asked to have a meeting at Park Street with

497
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: half a dozen of the young guns. And for some

498
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 2: unknown reason you're on the list. Great and you go.

499
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: So get yourself down to fucking wardrobe, make yourself look decent.

500
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 2: If you need a haircut, get one. We're leaving in

501
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 2: an hour. I was going to meet Kerry. Wow, this

502
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 2: is gonna be great.

503
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: And just for context, Park Street is where the head

504
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: office of publishing broadcasting. It was where people have been

505
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 1: hung out window. Yes, not where, but it's not where

506
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:59,479
Speaker 1: you operated from, which is where the operations were. But

507
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: part getting called in a Park Street.

508
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: Was a big deal, was a big deal. And usually

509
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: you weren't going in there for a good reason.

510
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: Usually was a problem.

511
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this was so I rang Burnsy and told

512
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 2: Burnsy and he's got Jesus and he said, all right, okay,

513
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 2: here's a few tips. So he said, when you get

514
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 2: in there, you're going to be in a waiting room.

515
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: And he said you're going to look up and you

516
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 2: would know this. He said, you're going to look up

517
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: and he said there's lots of paintings and he said,

518
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: there's paintings of big animals killing little animals.

519
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 1: And he said, just remember, by the way, that is

520
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the truth.

521
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 2: And he goes, just remember Kerry's the big animal and

522
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: you're the little a.

523
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 1: And he will piss on your leg just to prove

524
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: that he's the boss. That's Jesus, and let it happen. Yeah.

525
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 2: Great, And then he said, and then Meecan's giving us

526
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: a bit of advice on the way over, and he goes, look,

527
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: there are long pauses sometimes. Don't jump in and fill

528
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: the pause. Just let Kerry have his money.

529
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: You're producing the show.

530
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 2: Yep, he goes, He likes to just you know, have

531
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 2: his moment of pausing and thinking and where he's going next. Great, okay,

532
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 2: so we've got all these writing instructions. We get in there,

533
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 2: see the paintings, right, so the sphinx is tightened up

534
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: a bit. Right, there's the paintings. So we go into

535
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 2: the end of the office and there's the big man

536
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: right with his feet up on the desk cigarette, no shoes, cigarette,

537
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: trying to work out changing the batteries in his hearing aid.

538
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: Right.

539
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 2: And I think it was Carrol at the time. Either,

540
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: so they're over there. This has gone on for five minutes.

541
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 1: One most people really is he had a buzz runder

542
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: his desk who used to buzz on her desk and

543
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: the vibration would knew because she couldn't hear. Probably then

544
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: she come running into his office.

545
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: It's so good, so good, I mean, this is this

546
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: is TV. And I'm just like, this is living the dream.

547
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: And I'd been a cameraman way back in the day

548
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 2: with Graham Kennedy and spend a lot of time with Graham.

549
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 2: And I would go around after doing funny eest home

550
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 2: videos and sit with Graham and have a bottle of

551
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: red and just ask him questions and let him tell

552
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: me stories about in Melbourne tonight and that, and it

553
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: was wonderful. So this was like the next level of

554
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, television royalty. This is the deal. So there's

555
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: about half a dozen of us in there, and Meeken's

556
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: down this end, and next to me was Rory Callahan,

557
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: and Rory was the executive producer of the Footy Show

558
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 2: before me, and he just moved up to head of Entertainment.

559
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: And there's a couple of other lizards down the other end, right,

560
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 2: So Kerry finally decides he's going to welcome us after

561
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: getting the hearing age, reading on a couple of darts

562
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: and all of that, and starts talking. He's ripped one

563
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: of the young people from sixty minutes a new asshole

564
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 2: over something that he didn't like. Shit, it's not going

565
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: to go so well, right, And then.

566
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: He does it for practice one hundred percent.

567
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: And then he said to me. He goes, son, what

568
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: are you doing? And I said, I'm just taking over

569
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: the footy show. Son, your job to me is just

570
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: to make me fucking laugh on Thursday nights. That's your

571
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 2: one job done excellent, and he goes, get the wog back.

572
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: He goes, get the wog back, the funny one. I'm thinking, Mario,

573
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: it was Nick Giannopolis. He wanted me to get Nick

574
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: Gannopolis onto the footy show, right Melbourne? No, no chance? Right,

575
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: So Mario, I was going to the caravan. That was

576
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 2: my man, Mario, So for two years when I'd bump

577
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: into Kerry or see something them. So now you're going

578
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: with that guy. Have you got him yet? When still

579
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: in negotiations, Kerry's do you need me to come in?

580
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: No?

581
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: No, it would be all good. So this was out house.

582
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: I sort of backed off and be like you go.

583
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: So then he he says to he's talking to Rory

584
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 2: about new shows and Surprise Surprise had just started, which

585
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: was a celebrity candid camera style show where they did

586
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: pranks on celebs hidden camera style. So Kerry quite liked

587
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: the show, but he hated the name. And he goes, oh,

588
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 2: he's really right firing up fucking Surprise Lise stupid name,

589
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: stupid name who fucking walks into a room and says

590
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 2: Surprise Surprise, And he goes, what else could we call it?

591
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: And the gun turret's out like he's doing these ones right.

592
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: Everyone's heads it down and I look up and he

593
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: locks eyes with me. Mistake and I said, I don't know, Kerry,

594
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: what about fuck me? Him meking gagging down the end

595
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: and everyone's got their heads down, gets there and he

596
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: just leans across the table, bangs it and starts laughing

597
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: and goes, what about fuck you? Son? Back off, So

598
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: we all bail out. They've got let out by the

599
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: year by making over to the I think the windsor

600
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 2: bar across the corner there and downstairs for a couple

601
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: of stiff drinks. Now, he ging rings me that night, right,

602
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: and he goes, oh, he said, I heard what went

603
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 2: on today, because Kerry thinks you're very fucking funny. I said, great.

604
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: So that was the start of my relationship with proper

605
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: relationship with Kerry. And so we're awfully wrong.

606
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 2: Could have gone horribly wrong, could have but again, you know, right,

607
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: brain play luck. Yeah, just you know, you shoot your shot.

608
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: It's funny, you know, like when you met Dave Gindeln

609
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: and then you too him at two thousand and I

610
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: think two thousand might have been two thousand. Anyway, I

611
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: remember then because I had the Wizards in and I

612
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: was sponsoring your South Wales as you'd probably recall, and

613
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: David Gingel says to me, mate, because he was head

614
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: of coordinating all the asses, I had a synergy. So yeah, correct,

615
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: and one of the asses that Kerry owned was part

616
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: of percent of your wizard, which was so Gindury says, mate,

617
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 1: we're going to get you on the footy Shower and

618
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: uh and uh we're gonna we're going to pre record

619
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: it like you know, this week and be on next week.

620
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: So but what we want you to do is come

621
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: on with the twenty thousand dollars in cash in a suitcase.

622
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: But you know I couldn't get twenty thousand dollars, but

623
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: I just had shitty You guys did ship paper and

624
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: put some hundreds or fifties on the top make it

625
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: look like I had a big food suitcase for yeah, anyway,

626
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: and we're going to give it away. So you know

627
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: it's going to cost me twenty grand for a start anyway,

628
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: and you'll giveing away to a charity. Something happens, someone's

629
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: football club burned down or some of that, and I thought, okay, cool.

630
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: So I get on there, you know, and Fatty comes

631
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: up and goes where you're going. I can has Mark

632
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: Boris here and he's from it looks across a block

633
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: and they fucking come oft by the wizards. Something rather

634
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: completely fucked it up, okay, and what happened it anyway?

635
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: I go all got pre recorded, and so I'm watching

636
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: it at home the following week and then I ring

637
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: Ginjol and say, mate, surely they could have fucking edited.

638
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: I said, like, I just paid twenty thousand dollars for

639
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: this this bullshit. So I said, mate, if I don't

640
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell Kry's gonna ask you what happened.

641
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell Kerry that these guys fucked it up.

642
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: And he says, no, no, no worry. So he must have

643
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: wrung you because the next week they got up there

644
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: and corrected. And Fatty goes, you know, Mark Morris generously

645
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: gave to it from Wizard Home Loans generally gave twenty

646
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. And then and one of the other I

647
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: think it was blockers. What do they do, Fatty goes,

648
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: They're one of those things, jiggits And your research wasn't

649
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: big fucking and I'm watching on TV again you fuck

650
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: out a second time. So I end up getting three

651
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: shots at it, which is good. Actually I end up

652
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: getting three cracks at it. And and but I just

653
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: remember the loosener of the show. And whilst I was

654
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: cranky because I gave twenty grand away, but whilst because

655
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: i'd be old, have been crave, had to give Trenty allsway,

656
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: but because you know, because Kerry school where you grew,

657
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: I won't say Greek something right, okay, yeah, And because

658
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I was mean, probably I'm still mean with money, you know.

659
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: I don't throw money around. And he quite liked that

660
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: about me, but he used to bag the shit. Don't

661
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: mean about it. But whilst I was cranky, but I

662
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: was actually very happy with the style of the show.

663
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: It was authentic, it was correct, and I thought about

664
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: Fatty actually saying that actually, if you had to gone

665
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: really Chris ray Martin style said this is a home

666
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: line business doing mortgage origination, where the fuck was boring? Yeah,

667
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: Fatty saying what he said actually worked totally and in

668
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: reverse we launched Monster dot com on there.

669
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: I remember nine MSN yep, and still I called it

670
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: nine MSN dot com and looks at fat In fact,

671
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: I don't know no one knew anying about the.

672
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: Internet was because because we're talking about ninety nine two

673
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: thousand and that period and no one knew what the

674
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: hell was all, especially those black Yeah, yeah, not a clue.

675
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: No Vaddy was yet to discover the joys of the Internet.

676
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: He was still on old school magazines.

677
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: That's but it was a pretty amazing ride for your mate.

678
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And it's interesting you talk about Erry and business.

679
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: They're going to the great story there and you'll love

680
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: this as a businessman. So Ginge had like a Christmas

681
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: drinks sort of sunset drinks and dinner at his joint

682
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: for Christmas. And he said, mat, Kerry's coming, I'd love

683
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: you to come. Be about twenty people there, right, So

684
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: there was quite a few of the nine staffers in

685
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: that there, and he said, mate, you just sit with Kerry.

686
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: He loves you. Keep Kerry happy. Said yep, you won't

687
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: be here long, you know. So over I went and

688
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: he said, hello, son, how are you good? Family?

689
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: Good?

690
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: Yep, great, fatty stirler? How are they still taking my money?

691
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: It was we had a stick and he said how

692
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: you been? I said, ah, I said, I thought he'd

693
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: be interested. I said, oh, you know, so I've actually

694
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: had a bit of an ordinary cholesterol result. And he

695
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: said have your son? And I said yeah. What are

696
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: you doing about it? And I said, well, I'm onto

697
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: the I've got a juicer, a bevil juicer. I got

698
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 2: one of those. He said where did you get that?

699
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: I said, well, and I said was actually. I said,

700
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: it's quite a story to it. He said, tell me

701
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: cross no, no, no, no, no no no. So he's

702
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: up there, mate, it's an Indonesian volcano. I mean, you know,

703
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: there's just like smoke. I mean smokes and it's Kerry

704
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: and I and a couple of people sort of sitting

705
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: on the outskirts trying to get involved, but it's just us.

706
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: And I'm telling him this story. And I said, well,

707
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: I actually I was. I live up at Warunga and

708
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: I said, I went to kmart at Hornsby and I said,

709
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: I went in there and I said, I got the juice.

710
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: Let's call it two hundred bucks and it was a juicer.

711
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: And I went up to David Jones for something like

712
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: David Jones said yeah, And I went up there and

713
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: I said, I saw it on special for one hundred

714
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: and seventy with.

715
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: A jug and six glasses.

716
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: What did you do, son? I said, well, I went

717
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: back down to kmart and I took it back down

718
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: and I said to the lady, look, you'll never believe

719
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 2: what's happened. My wife's actually wrung me and she's bought one.

720
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: I need to just send this back. So we did

721
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: in exchange. Then what did you do?

722
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: Son?

723
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: And He's like he's just invested, locked, locked, and this

724
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: is like I'm shortening up. This is a half an

725
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: hour and Ginger's flitting in and out, poking the bear

726
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: and always been a smart us always, and I said,

727
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: is what you do? So I said, while I went

728
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: back up to the David Jones late, I said, the

729
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: lady was loving all their lovely stuff on that. I said,

730
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 2: they're great stuff at David Jones, I said, and I

731
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: explained to her. I said, well I'd like to get that.

732
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: And so I took the juicer home with the jargon

733
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: the extra cups and it was David Jones. So yeah,

734
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: he's like drilling me about where I got it from. Oh,

735
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: very good son. Well let me know how all that goes.

736
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: See you later. Off he goes.

737
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: Right.

738
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: So about seven thirty the next morning, my mobile rings

739
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: and it's Ginge and he goes, mate, I hope you're

740
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: fucking happy. I said, why, He goes, Kerry, He's got

741
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: about thirty people out on the streets to every David

742
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: Jones trying to find one hundred and seventy.

743
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Dollars juicer, the with the six cups and the jug.

744
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: And I was saying to Kerry, you can buy an

745
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: industrial one like they make the big ones.

746
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: You can buy.

747
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: He goes, I don't want that on, I want that one.

748
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: I want the one with the cups.

749
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: And the jug. He loved a deal and you wouldn't

750
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: think so either, by the way. No, but he's it's

751
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: quite amazing when you said, when you get to sit

752
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: with him, like he's actually very interested in what you're doing. Totally,

753
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: he had very rarely had something to tell you. It's rare.

754
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean if he was telling you something, usually something

755
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: you did wrong and you were fucked up and you're

756
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: in trouble. But generally speaking, he wanted to know what

757
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: you're doing. Yeah, he was a great learner that way. Yeah,

758
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: you just something interesting. Then a moment ago, Glenn where

759
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 1: you said that over a half hour period because nothing

760
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: was done quickly. No, No, you could if you went

761
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: there for fifteen minutes, you could be there for four hours.

762
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

763
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you had to suck it up and just

764
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: and depending on the mood. And maybe you could explain

765
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: to people what it was like being inside his eyes

766
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: because he had your heart rate, oh, immediately goes up.

767
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: That'd be the red shag pole carpet yep, it looked

768
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: like blood. Yeah, and the mass see if painting behind

769
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: him of the charging Indian.

770
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: Elephants and photographs of him with Bill Clinton. Bill Gates,

771
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, Bruce Gindrick, David's father, like all these really

772
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: super important people. I remember once I walked into his

773
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: office and he had a white shirt on, no tie,

774
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: like a collar shirt, cotton shirt, no tie. He had

775
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: fucking blood all over him, blood bleeding. His shirt was

776
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: wet with blood. And I said, I went there like

777
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: I used to go to see HM once a month,

778
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: and I went there for a review, like a monthly review,

779
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: just to see where we're going, blah blah. I looked

780
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: at him a fucking shock. I looked like one of

781
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: him because he had six rot wheelers or something wheelers

782
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: in his house. I thought, look like you've been attacked

783
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: by his fucking dogs. And he said to me, I

784
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: said you're okay. He said, I'm just been to the

785
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: skin cancer clinic and said it comes. I said, I

786
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: come straight here, like because he's never get to work

787
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: till like one o'clock or he got in late. But

788
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 1: he had literally blood. I'm not It was the most

789
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: shocking thing like I've ever seen, Like, how's the other bloke? Jo?

790
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: I thought it was fucking lying to me. The something's

791
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: going on here, like he might have had a punch

792
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: up remember he had him famous punch up Warren Anderson

793
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: there and and legend goes that he had a gun

794
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: and he's safe and once they stole the balling out

795
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: of his saf I had this imagination something weird, totally

796
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: fucking with has gone on. But he was one of

797
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 1: the that experience for you, and the and the experience

798
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: of hanging out with David Lecky, Peter Meakin, David Ginjel.

799
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: Having experienced with all these people, what was it like

800
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: for you? Do you think in terms of like forming

801
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: your habits and forming the way you wanted to think

802
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: as a creator?

803
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: Incredibly important? I remember like it was yesterday, Gary Burns.

804
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: I remember like it was yesterday, Gary Burns, you know,

805
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: drilling into me three letters A T, D at D.

806
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: What's an attention to detail? So get your fucking number

807
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 2: plates changed at D at D. And that was always

808
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: something that stuck with me. And as much as we

809
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: made that show look like it could come off the

810
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: rails at any stage, there was a hell of a

811
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: lot of work went into it to make sure it didn't.

812
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: By you, by me and my team. Yeah, not necessarily

813
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: by the talent. No, I got no, they're flying by

814
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: the seat of the pan decent.

815
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and but that was the beauty of it.

816
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: And I had great faith in the content that we

817
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: had and the people that we had around us, whether

818
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: that was the crew on the floor, the director, whoever

819
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: that we would like, you know, we would be able

820
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: to you know, get at this show back on the

821
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: rails if it started to live.

822
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: Did it feel like that? Yeah, And that was part

823
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: of the edge of the show though, because that's what

824
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: you want to Yeah, totally. Yeah, live television, there's nothing

825
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: like it. By the way, I forgot about that. It

826
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: is live TV.

827
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no there's no delay. Like what you're doing

828
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: is going out there straight away and you remember to

829
00:36:59,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: put things out in the car.

830
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 1: Oh mate, it was enormous. You're going to do kick

831
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: foot balls in the car, kick the cash.

832
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 2: Every week in the car park. We had the Nitro

833
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: Circus guys out there doing doing jumps and spinning and

834
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: motorbikes and fat crash the motorbike.

835
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: Darryl Browman ended up sideways.

836
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: On DAR was on The Big Man, Great Man, Great Man,

837
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: his segment with the kids later on Small Talk with

838
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: the Big Man.

839
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah that was great, mate.

840
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: We said that so We used to always do a

841
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: really really long first segment because let's say we're on

842
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: there at nine thirty, you're making that decision. Am I

843
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: going to go to bed? And I'm not going to

844
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: go to bed. So I would like do a thirty

845
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes sometimes forty minute first segment, and I'd

846
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: have ginjuring me, you don't fucking work at the ABC, mate,

847
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: we need a commercial break. Trust me, just trust me,

848
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: and we get them up to that past that ten

849
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: o'clock mark, and I would put small Talk on at

850
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: the start of the second segment every week, and so

851
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 2: it would make them wait, you know, for the parents

852
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 2: and the kids, and stay up right right. I watched

853
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: small Talk. We want to watch small Talk? And you

854
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: got them, You got them by that stage and you know,

855
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: ten thirty sort of the cutoff of ratings read. I

856
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: got them, you know, by five past ten, ten plast ten.

857
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: We got small Talk on two more segments. You know,

858
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: we're down to ten thirty, and then we'd motor through

859
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 2: that that Beckett back end up to about eleven o'clock.

860
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: And that was that was that was a formula added

861
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 1: to go as a revenue stream.

862
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: Enormous enormous because you had great, big brand sponsors who

863
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: would sign on at the beginning of the year, and

864
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: we had some really really good ones through the year,

865
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: like sports Bet were amazing, they were fantastic sponsors. We

866
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: had Nissen, Jim Beam, like big brands, big names, you know,

867
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: they were major brand sponsors. So they'd sign on at

868
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: a premium at the start of the year, so that

869
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: money's in the bank, and then we'd look after them

870
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: internally through the year with segments and whatnot each week program. Yeah,

871
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: then you've got your ad revenue in the breaks, which

872
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: they sold for a premium, even though I was not

873
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: getting the first one to lafter ten o'clock. But that

874
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: was a good battle to have, you know. I enjoyed

875
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: having those battles with.

876
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: The So you're saying that you would be sort of

877
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: arguing with, oh, yeah.

878
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: The execs and the CEO's at the time. You know,

879
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 2: we want that first.

880
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: Commercial, but I don't want to commercial.

881
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: I want to commercial break in early, and I would

882
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 2: fight the no.

883
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: What was the thinking about that way?

884
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 2: My thinking was that if we gave them the chance

885
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: to go to bed at quarter to ten, they'd go.

886
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: So don't let them go.

887
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: No, don't let them go.

888
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: Hold them, hold them.

889
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: For that first fucking half an hour, get them to

890
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 2: ten o'clock. Then put an add in, put small talk

891
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: at the top of segment two, because you know they'll

892
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: come back and watch that, and then put something tease

893
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: and promote great shit, dare devil dudes coming up later

894
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: they're doing the vomitron, which you got to get back

895
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: to the controns, Stoya the vomitron. You know that that's

896
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: coming up later on, and just tease them and get

897
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 2: them hanging on, which you know probably wasn't the greatest

898
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: thing for the sales guys when they're selling those commercial brakes,

899
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: but there was enough coming in and revenue wise, and

900
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: then we do in in show promotions, so we always

901
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: had the opportunity on a second tier. So let's just say,

902
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: Yellow Brick Road want to come in and do we

903
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: I had fifty grand in the bank, so mate, let's

904
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: do a passing comp or a drop and comp.

905
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: Will you come in and talk about it? Yeah, you'll

906
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: just present the money or.

907
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: Something and you come in with a little yarm, you know,

908
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: and you will do something. Yeah, give you fifty grand's

909
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: worth of value. Yeah, you give me fifty grand cash

910
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 2: happy days, you know, and we do a segment based

911
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: around that.

912
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: Just people understand how that works. So like if you

913
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: did a twenty thirty second ad, we had a thirty

914
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: second ad might have cost you twenty five grand those

915
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: days through your sales goals. But if you got on

916
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: there and you did an in program segment and you

917
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: could go five minutes, well there, that's right me. So

918
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: you've got like ten thirty second ads. Yeah, but you've

919
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: got you see icic and take the view. I've got

920
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: much better value doing that. And people can say, well,

921
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: that's the bloke from the company, the Homeland company, and

922
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: then you've got endorsement by the celebrities who are like

923
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: you and everybody like that. What's the value of that

924
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: is crazy?

925
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is well and above it beyond a live

926
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: read or something.

927
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: You know, pretty powerful though, absolutely mate.

928
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of shows that could do that.

929
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: And so that in program integration and sponsor integration was

930
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: a big part of what we did. And at one

931
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: stage Rico the Great Luke Rickinson was our head of sales.

932
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: He was doing our sales for the Footy show. So

933
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: it was wonderful working with him. I love Rico, and

934
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: you know we were able to come up with plenty

935
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: of stuff. I go, ricka, mate, I knew this, You

936
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: go great, get on it. And he goes to the

937
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: marketplace and you know it's hard to say no to Rico.

938
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was you that was great. There must

939
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: have been a lot of untold stories, a lot of stories,

940
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: or maybe one or two untold stories you might be

941
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: able to share with us today, maybe in relation to

942
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: the talent or something that went horribly wrong, or maybe

943
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: something relation to Kerry or James. Have you got anything

944
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: that's any untold stories somebody else? Couple? Yeah, yeah.

945
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: I used to get a regular call every show from Ginge.

946
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: Right.

947
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: Ginge would bring me relentlessly through the show to talk

948
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: to me. Mate, I'll get back to you. Hang on

949
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 2: a second. We're putting the show to where we're live.

950
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: And I remember we had.

951
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: Said to those days to just explained David this when

952
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: David was this, when David was the head of integration,

953
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: your CEO or not CEO, and Lad left. He's still

954
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: ring even if you agree, right, even with that, he

955
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: still rings me every day, told about the same stuff,

956
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: tells me how to run my business. But so we

957
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: should just explain. In the early days day live in

958
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: a little shitty apartment in Bondi each above the Surfboard place.

959
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: So yes, i'd never met him and I've never met him.

960
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: And James Packer rang me and he said, mate, you

961
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: need to meet this maid of mine, David Ginjel goes,

962
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: you guys will get on like a fucking house on fire.

963
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: He goes, we'll go and have dinner, and so we

964
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: went and had dinner, the three of us, and we

965
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: ended up we've gone back down to Bondi and James

966
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: was living with Kate at that stage in the apartments

967
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: over near the water and Gings was above the surf shop,

968
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 2: and James had to stop on the way at Kerry's

969
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 2: to get something, so it's a bit wide eyed. Then

970
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: we go and I don't think Kerry was there at

971
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: the time, and we were just downstairs and he goes,

972
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: you Blake's wait here, went through the kitchen and it

973
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: was all of it, you know, And so Ginge and

974
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: I are sitting in Kerry's TV room right which was

975
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: pretty amazing, and I to go to the toilet and

976
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: in there was a pith helmet like a hunting helmet.

977
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 2: So I've come out with the hunting helmet on, and

978
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: Ginge and I are wrestling on the lounge. James is,

979
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: can we get the fucking heart off with you and

980
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: out of here? So we go down to Bondi and

981
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: we're having a drink there and around James's place and

982
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: he gets a call. I think Kate was coming home.

983
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: He goes, you guys got to get out. You got

984
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 2: to go like she's coming home. And James had wrung

985
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: my wife Caz earlier that night, and we're living on

986
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 2: the Central Coast at that stage, and it's a good

987
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 2: call to your wife from James Packer to say Glennie

988
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: mightn come home tonight. She was pretty okay, you know

989
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: all right James, no worries. So James has put the

990
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: thing in place. He goes, you likes, you got to go.

991
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 2: Fuck where am I going from Bondi to the Central Coast.

992
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: So Gings goes, mate, come over and stay at mine.

993
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: He sort of lived across the road time, Yeah, yeah.

994
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: Down the road met in three hours ago. So I

995
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 2: stay at Ginger's place.

996
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: I borrow a shirt and have a shower and go

997
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: to work the next day and we're besties.

998
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 2: I've got to get the shirt back to him. So

999
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 2: he become besties. And that's what I always loved tout

1000
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: the Packers. You know, there was intent, they were always

1001
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: there was always something you know, he didn't just what

1002
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 2: you Blake's will be good mates.

1003
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: You know.

1004
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: Within a couple of years, David was head of Synergy

1005
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: and we were talking and I was an important tool

1006
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: in the toolbox to be able to do what he

1007
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: was doing because Kerry had organized that. So yeah, they

1008
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: did things with intent.

1009
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: Which I thought was And David would call you all

1010
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: the time, relentless. Caz used to call him about third child. Yeah,

1011
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: third child.

1012
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: I had two young children at that stage, and he

1013
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: would call it any time just to talk and shoot

1014
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: the shit about anything.

1015
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: So who'd be the best communicator you ever met?

1016
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's up there, He's up there.

1017
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: He's definitely the most consistent, Yes or persistent.

1018
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, persistent like.

1019
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,959
Speaker 1: Like he lisen born as you know, and he would

1020
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: literally get up this morning from the time he's got

1021
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: I reckon, He's made thirty phone calls.

1022
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: Ye, totally works the phones. Another one who I had

1023
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: a great enormous amount of respect for who I worked

1024
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: with was Dennis Handling at Sony MUSICNY. Yeah, Dennis was

1025
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: the greatest mentor and motivator and networker, probably best networking mate.

1026
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: He punched so above his weight and CEOs would say

1027
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: that like he's spending that much and getting that much

1028
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: value because he was just that. He was that guy networking.

1029
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: I learned a lot of I was on his exec

1030
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: team for three or four years at Sony Music and

1031
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 2: learned a lot from him. I was. I got a

1032
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 2: lot of respect for Dennis.

1033
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: At what point did you rememberon Milon joined the team?

1034
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: You were still there then?

1035
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 2: Ye. Kenny Sutcliffe came down to my office, the great

1036
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: male model from Mudgy and said, mate, you know to

1037
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: have a look at this girl up in the newsroom Aaron, Mrlon,

1038
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: She's great.

1039
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: You know you got c from Budgy. He does live

1040
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: at Budge.

1041
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: He's the male model for Budget.

1042
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: He actually lives.

1043
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: He's gone back. Yeah, so and again another great night.

1044
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: I love Kenny, great white Water sports.

1045
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah unreal. So Kenny came down and told me about

1046
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 2: this girl I should have a look at. At that stage,

1047
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 2: you know, I think it was I'd gone back I've

1048
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: gone back.

1049
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: She was a journalist.

1050
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: Yes, So I left the show around two thousand and

1051
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: five and then went off and did other things three

1052
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: or four years at Sony Music, and then Ginge got

1053
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: me back to do the Warning thing, right, Shame Warn thing, Yeah,

1054
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: Shane Warn Show. And on the back of that he said, mate,

1055
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: Footy shows in trouble, would you have another crack at it?

1056
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: And I said, yeah, okay, so I did five years

1057
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: five leggis kitchen right, five logis five luggis every year

1058
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: in five years?

1059
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: Maybe did you used to get the logs events down

1060
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: in Melbourne the Crown, so he maybe just give us

1061
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: a bit of color around what they're like.

1062
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: Oh mate, well, back in the day we used to

1063
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: send a camera crew. I used to send Terry Hill

1064
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: terryisassed by the late Great Terry Hill. Hit Yeah, so

1065
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: I Sentry. I'd send Terry down Logis in his gold

1066
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: lame Mate jacket that he would wear a dapdo with

1067
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: the Great Jack El's good for as in the field

1068
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: at Dapdo dogs, which Singo was a nod to Singer

1069
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 2: because Singer used to do the live grounds on his

1070
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: show back in the day with Rabbits calling it so

1071
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: you know, mate, full circle. Yeah, and Terry would go

1072
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: into the the bathroom. Remember we got Kerry O'Brien in

1073
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: the in the bathroom one night at the Logis and

1074
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: Kerry wonder from Yeah, and Kerry started like shaping up

1075
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: and was going to throw them at great man, you're

1076
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: not gonna take Terry.

1077
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: Good luck, good luck.

1078
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: And I would love to have seen that go a

1079
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: bit further.

1080
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: I one time when when I was when I Roginal

1081
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: was up in Queens and they we won a lost coming.

1082
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: But we were in some bar and Brisbane pretty late

1083
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: at night. This is in the old days, and Terry

1084
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: Hill and Spud started shaping up against each other. Good Terry, mate.

1085
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: I jumped in between because I'm responsored. I think go

1086
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: awfully wrong part of the fact I was there as well,

1087
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: and I actually jumped in between the two of them,

1088
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: like actually got something. I got in between the two

1089
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: both giants. Terry was a big scary moment. Yeah, they

1090
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: were both frothing like would have been. And by the way,

1091
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: they're in the same thing, like just go show why

1092
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: we don't let him out, so let's go back on. Sorry,

1093
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: I just had a memory of that, but let's just

1094
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: go back to luggies.

1095
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, they were they were just you know,

1096
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: there's something in that room. You know, you go into

1097
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: that room and it's like a Vegas casino. There's no

1098
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: no windows, no not enough oxygen, and everyone's fucked up

1099
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: within an hour.

1100
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: It's just something in that room, in that loggis and

1101
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: those five legs. Where do they sit these days? I've

1102
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: got a couple of them.

1103
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've got a couple of I think Fat's

1104
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: got a couple. I know Matt Calendar, the late Matt Calendar,

1105
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: who will talk a little bit about the Mark Hughes Foundation.

1106
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know Matt.

1107
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: I think Matt got one or two. So yeah, they're around.

1108
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go back to the post between gigs though,

1109
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: as at the footage show you did warning.

1110
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so I done?

1111
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: Was that about?

1112
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: So I'd finished up at Sony and Gins Raimon, you know,

1113
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: and he said, mate, he said, I've got a new

1114
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: project on the bubble.

1115
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: He said it's at nine at nine.

1116
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, I can't remember the word hears, but

1117
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: it was difficult, interesting talent to handle. And he said,

1118
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 2: you're the guy to do that. He said, interested I said, mate,

1119
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: you got me already, so he said right out. We

1120
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: going to Melbourne a meeting. We went down to Melbourne

1121
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: and it's warning, you know, the great chain Warmth, and

1122
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: we had dinner down there and we discussed this idea

1123
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: of a chat show that he'd wanted to do. He

1124
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: wanted to do interviews like just like this one on ones,

1125
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: which is a great lost art form of someone.

1126
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: You know you do it well.

1127
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: There are people who can do it, and it's a

1128
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: great lost art form, just the one on one.

1129
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: I don't know why they don't have it on telling

1130
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: me neither. We all got nine late.

1131
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all watched the podcastle while we're work, gone

1132
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 2: through to Weir you know, smart Blake's running the last

1133
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: minute totally. So you know, we had this idea. They

1134
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: had this idea of this show that Shane was going

1135
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: to open up his address book and we're going to get.

1136
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: Some talent dress book. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

1137
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: Mate. We had like I'll tell you who we got,

1138
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: but who we didn't get who were trying to get

1139
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 2: on was Elton John Mick Jagger. I had their people

1140
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: calling me going, mate, we're trying to move something around

1141
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: so that they loved him.

1142
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: They just what what was your pill of him?

1143
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: They loved a lot of them were cricket fans. The

1144
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: poems loved Yeah, so a lot of them were cricket fans,

1145
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: like Mick Mix a cricket fan, and Elton. I think

1146
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: I think Elton likes Creet. Belton just loved him because

1147
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: he's a naughty bloke. But you know, there was that

1148
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: appeal of again, the authenticity and what you saw was

1149
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: what you got. It's a real bloke, you know. And

1150
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: so we thought, okay, well this can work. So we

1151
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: lined up interviews with Sting, with Chris Martin from Cole Play,

1152
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: Susan Boyle.

1153
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: Jar members, but she was the singer.

1154
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 2: She was the singer. I'll te you a little bit

1155
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: about that moment. And then Jeremy Clarkson, you know, the

1156
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: top Gear was the hottest show in the world at

1157
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: that stage. So this is the sort of talent that

1158
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: we're going over to get, you know. So they were

1159
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: big names. Okay, well this is all going to work.

1160
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: And Shane said, you know.

1161
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: Where was it? Where was it held? So we did.

1162
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 2: We did half in Sydney, half in Melbourne. It was

1163
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: it was Scratch scheduled for five episodes over the Ashes

1164
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: series of I think it was twenty eleven twelve around

1165
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: that era, so whenever that Ashes series in Australia was

1166
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: and at the time there was a great push to

1167
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: forewarning to make a comeback. We're fucked and everyone's going warning,

1168
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: he's got to come back. Warn, he's got to come back.

1169
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: So we would land in the UK and be swamped

1170
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: by the paps. It's like, literally like I've never seen

1171
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: like car chases. We're getting really, we're getting He's dry.

1172
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: He had a driver over there I think was Madonna's

1173
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: driver as well, of course, and this guy was like

1174
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: losing people and it was it was full on. But

1175
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: little did they know that at the same time as

1176
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: all this is happening under their nose is Shane is

1177
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: having his moment with Elizabeth Hurley, which is all this

1178
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: story is right there under their nose and they're all

1179
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: coming up. Shane gonna make a comeback. He's gonna make comebacks. Boys,

1180
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: look a little harder, just look.

1181
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: A little right. Story wrong, Jason, the wrong story here.

1182
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: So we went over there, we did two trips over there.

1183
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: Did you meet it?

1184
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did. We did two trips

1185
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 2: over there together. First trip where he said, mate, you

1186
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: can't meet her on the first trip, So no problem

1187
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 2: at all. That's fine. So they went out to dinner

1188
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: with Hugh Grant and her and they're still mates apparently,

1189
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: So they had their little night out and then we

1190
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 2: went over to Turin to do Sting at a basketball

1191
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: stadium in Turin, And so before Sting goes on, he's

1192
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: given us like an hour downstairs just this, you know,

1193
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: a couple of chairs, my camera's me, Shane him, that's it.

1194
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: And I'm a massive police fan, so like I'm completely

1195
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: fangirling with Sting, loving him. So we do the interview

1196
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: and he goes you know, guys come up and enjoy

1197
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: the show, right, So great, fantastic. So we go up

1198
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 2: to the show and he's got these seats that you're

1199
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 2: in that you know, we went to a show recently

1200
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: of his out of Here CHASMI and my wife and

1201
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 2: I and we were in literally the same seats, so

1202
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: they're like Sting seats, I think. So he knows where

1203
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: you are, right, So he's like singing to Shane and

1204
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 2: I through Fuck, how good's this? We get to interval

1205
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: and Shane's just everything. For Shane was a dart and

1206
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: he measured things in darts, like you go, mate, how

1207
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: far is it start? How far from terminal one to

1208
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: terminal two? Darts? A right? Perfect? So I measured everything

1209
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: in cigarettes. So he knew to go and have a

1210
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: singer in the intervillees going, mate, let's go. We've seen

1211
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: half the show.

1212
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: He was very on.

1213
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: It was like, let's go, next thing, next thing. We

1214
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: can't go made. He's fucking singing Roxanne to us like

1215
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: we're we're literally seven rows back, and his eyeballing us.

1216
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: We can't go.

1217
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: There's going to be two empty seats, and Sting walks past.

1218
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: He goes, hey, we're enjoying the show guy, and she goes,

1219
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: that's fucking great. They can't wait for part two. Great, fantastic.

1220
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: So we do that and we go and so we

1221
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: come back and so we knock over that interview, and

1222
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: then we go back the second time and I'm going

1223
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: to come back to Sting right at the end because

1224
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: there's a great yarn. So we do the second trip

1225
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: over there, and like the last day we're doing it.

1226
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: So the second last day we go out to dinner,

1227
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: so it's Elizabeth Shane me one of her minders, and

1228
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: I think Shane's UK manager. That was it. We go

1229
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: to this summer restaurant in Chelsea and we come upstairs

1230
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: and there's a red light in a car across the

1231
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 2: road and Shane goes, mate, mate, you got to go

1232
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: and check that out. Fuck do I have to check

1233
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: it out for mate? To Russian mafia and Chelsea where

1234
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: you know there's a sight on me? May you got

1235
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: to go and check it out, Go and check it out.

1236
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: Not good, but it's aerhaps, it's a paps and I'm

1237
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: coming out of airports with Shane and it's global like

1238
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: the vision you know, Shane Warner is you're going to

1239
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: make a comeback, and my missus is messaging me, can

1240
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: you just stand up a bit.

1241
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: Taller the world's smallest bodyguard?

1242
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: But you know, you're all over the news with Shane.

1243
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: So it's like I'm saying, mate, I'm not your fucking minder.

1244
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm here as your producer. So I go out and

1245
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: have a look and I can't see what's in the car,

1246
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: but you know, I think it's probably perhaps you know,

1247
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 2: so there's a whole clandestine operation to get them out

1248
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: of their restaurant and the way we go, and so

1249
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: we get back to the hotel. Next day in the morning,

1250
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: we've got Elizabeth, we've got Susan Boyle in the hotel

1251
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: for the interview, Jeremy Clarkson at the bebe in the

1252
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: afternoon down at Shepherd's Bush Airport home. That's the day.

1253
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: So I get a text very early in the morning

1254
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: from Shane. Mate, it's your turn to get breakfast this morning,

1255
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: a little joint around the raady like breakfast and this

1256
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 2: morning it's for three of us. Okay, all right, So

1257
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm going up to the room and Elizabeth obviously stayed.

1258
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 2: So Shane answers the door and a Donner looking very happy.

1259
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: Mate come coming, come in and going to his suite

1260
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: and he's got the mad sweet and we sit down

1261
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 2: and get the breakfast out. Elizabeth Hurley walks out in

1262
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: a long black cat suit, longside god, long legs black

1263
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 2: catsuit and just stands in the London morning sun and says, what.

1264
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: A great night last night was talking about the dinner.

1265
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: So there she is.

1266
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: So I said, look, we've just got to do some

1267
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: work and I don't know, you go for it, go

1268
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: for it. So we're writing questions and it's the two

1269
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: of us. So she starts helping with the questions and

1270
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: chime me in, which is great. And she's saying to Shane,

1271
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: as Shane, when you're with Susan Boyle, you just flirt

1272
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 2: with her a bit, flirt with her, Susan Boyle, just

1273
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: anyone Google Google, there's no flirting, no flirting. So Shane,

1274
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: we're getting down there, getting set up for the interview.

1275
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: I look over and he got his hand on a

1276
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 2: leg in he's mate, mate, got a second mate quickly.

1277
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: It's not a quick word. What the fuck are you

1278
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: doing it? I'm flirting, I said, mate.

1279
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: She said flirt, not don't touch.

1280
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: Don't touch.

1281
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: So we do the interview with Susan and she's wonderful.

1282
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: It was great interview and Shane was really good at

1283
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: these chats, like he was good, you know, he'd do

1284
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: his research, but he was engaging and they loved him,

1285
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: you know. So we do the interview, we go, we

1286
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: go back, we've got a couple of hours to kill

1287
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 2: before we check out, and she's still at the hotel

1288
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: Elizabeth right. So I said, I'm just going over to Camden.

1289
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 2: I'll come back car's picking us up at two. I'll

1290
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: see you then I'll be back about and help us

1291
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: one but I get back and the whole hotel staff

1292
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: are standing out the front. There's three fire engines right

1293
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: and the staff there's a little boutique hotel is stay

1294
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 2: out and they're like giving me the look like something's.

1295
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: Going on here.

1296
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: So I'm sort of walking towards the hotel and there's

1297
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: a little alley way this Glenn Glenn, and it's Shane

1298
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: and Elizabeth up this little alley and she's pretty off

1299
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: the charts at this stage.

1300
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: The peraps, the paps, they're smoking us out. They're smoking

1301
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: us out.

1302
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: So they've somehow they've got onto it, the paps, and

1303
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 2: they know she's in there, so someone's called in a

1304
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 2: fake fire call to get her out evacuated. So they're

1305
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: up in the side and there's a staff in me going,

1306
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 2: you know, miss early, mister war we need to be

1307
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: moving you out of here.

1308
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: They go. They're not moving anywhere, right, we know what's

1309
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: going on.

1310
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: So we got Elizabeth or Shane got Elizabeth out somehow

1311
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 2: at the back and we jump in the car and

1312
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: we're going down.

1313
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: Towards the BBC Shepherd's Bush.

1314
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: And we're in the back seat another Indonesian volcano moment.

1315
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: He's in there on the.

1316
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: Darts and she rings and I can hear the phone call,

1317
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: and she rings and she.

1318
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: Goes they've got the photos. They've got the photos. News

1319
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: of the World have got the photos. And someone had

1320
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 2: got a photo of her and him having a kiss

1321
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: in a hotel foyer. I think the night they went

1322
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: out with Hugh Grant and they were going to publish it.

1323
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: They've given her the nod that they're going to publish

1324
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 2: this story. It's breaking, so the story in the next

1325
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: twenty four hours will be out there that they're on.

1326
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: So warning's like fuck, you know, we're pull out of

1327
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: the BBC in this interview to get with Jeremy Clarkson.

1328
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: As I said before, at that stage, top Gear is

1329
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: the hottest show in the world.

1330
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: I remember it, hottest show.

1331
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: In the world around twenty eleven, twenty twelve. So it's

1332
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: a big interview and we get there and he's over

1333
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: and Shane's gone over there in the car park on

1334
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 2: his phone. He's texting, he's on his phone, he's smoking.

1335
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: He loves a text, loved a text.

1336
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: Right, and he's by this stage completely off off chops.

1337
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: He's like he's gone elsewhere mentally. And Clarkson arrives and

1338
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: he's a prickly character, is he? Oh yeah, just you

1339
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: know so you know. So I've gone up to him

1340
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: and I've gone introduced myself and Jeremy. I don't know you,

1341
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: you don't know me, I said, but I Reckon, we're

1342
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: all on the same page as blokes here, mate, And

1343
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: I said, I can't tell you what's going down right

1344
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: now with our mate over there, but there's a bit

1345
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: of shit about to hit the fan, and in about

1346
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: twenty four hours it's all going to make sense. He

1347
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: might be a bit off his game. I can just

1348
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: ask you please, just be as giving as you can

1349
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: be in this interview. We've all worked very hard to

1350
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: get here. Leave it with me, he says, right, gives

1351
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: the best interview ever. Clarkson, massive respect. He just turned

1352
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: it on, helped warning through. It was great. So after

1353
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: the airport we go, we fly to Abu Dhabi and

1354
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: where of course we're in the smoking lounge, the first

1355
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: last smoking lounge, and it's midnight. There's no one there.

1356
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: It's just Shane and I he's sitting ten to fifteen

1357
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: feet across from me on another lounge and there's no

1358
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: one around, and he's going to Melbourne. I'm going to

1359
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: Sydney from there. So we're splitting up there and through

1360
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: the door like comes in this arrow head of Arab

1361
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: blokes in the full rock the kasbar outfits right, and

1362
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: they've got a bloke in the middle. So they've like

1363
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: there's like six wine a wedge with this bloke in

1364
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: the middle with the worry beads, the cigar, the lot

1365
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: and they fan open and he's looking she's looking at Shane.

1366
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: He's looking at me. He's looking at Shane. And he

1367
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: comes over and he says to me, excuse me, sir.

1368
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: He said, is that mister Sheene Warn over there?

1369
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, yeah, yes it is, Yeah, it

1370
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: is yeah, Please don't arrest me.

1371
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 2: And he goes, I am the shake of Oman. Oh

1372
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: my god, I would like to meet him. I said,

1373
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 2: just a moment, shake, let me just see what I

1374
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: can do, said Shane. Is what he's got the head

1375
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: down the phone, What said, mate, said shake of Oman.

1376
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: Cheek of tweak, sheak of tweak, shake of Oman. Shane goes, good, eh.

1377
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: Puts his head back down on his phone and I said,

1378
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

1379
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 2: Mate, he's a little little preoccupied at the moment, and

1380
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: the shake just shuffles off. My flight gets called and

1381
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: that was it. I didn't see Warny again. We got

1382
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: back and my wife was at the airport and just

1383
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: wide eyes, wide open, and I might have mentioned to

1384
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 2: her some of the stuff that have been going on,

1385
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: and she just goes, it's out there.

1386
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: I thought it might be.

1387
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: So in that's of flying back from Abi Dhabi to

1388
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 2: release released, and it was everywhere. Mate, we all remember

1389
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: what happened.

1390
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: So how do you when you've got to million stories and,

1391
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: by the way, one of the greatest storytellers I've ever met,

1392
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: But you know that you are. But you've got a

1393
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: million stories and you tell them perfectly. But do you

1394
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: ever sort of sit down to yourself and say, fuck, well,

1395
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: ever experience that type of life again? Yes, it was

1396
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: a wonderful moment in time some of the thing, But

1397
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: do you think you can never experience that type of

1398
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: thing again? Do you think I think it's possible. I

1399
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: don't mean I don't mean a gleam palace at your age,

1400
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: but like a new version of lamp, Paris Palace a

1401
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: young guy. Does that sort of stuff exist anymore?

1402
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: I think in today's terms, it's a little different, you know.

1403
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: I think that obviously mobile phones and internet and social

1404
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: media have changed experiences out there for everybody. I mean,

1405
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: sportsmen will tell you that from you know, what they

1406
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: could do back thirty years ago without being detected, you know,

1407
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: and you know, unless you had your Manolta or your Kodak,

1408
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: you know, you didn't capture a moment.

1409
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: You lived in that moment and you told the story

1410
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: about that. You know, there was no one there to

1411
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: record that.

1412
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 2: Moment, whereas I think now we're a little more obsessed with,

1413
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: you know, capturing them the moment. And so look, you know,

1414
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 2: television in my world has changed dramatically. I don't think

1415
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 2: for the better.

1416
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: In Freeoware television, it's less entertaining one hundred.

1417
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: Percent, mate, you know. And I also think that, you know,

1418
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: the the attention to detail that we used to see

1419
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: has just disappeared.

1420
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: And also cancel culture, you know, doesn't left right like

1421
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel recently, but then the people on the other

1422
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: side of the right, so they can get canceled too.

1423
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: I actually just recently. I did about six months with

1424
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 2: the project. Yeah yeah, I was broadcast producer for them

1425
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: here in Sydney. Made of Mine in Melbourne was Rove's

1426
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: business partner and called me in and said, you know,

1427
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 2: the DP flies up every Sunday to do the show.

1428
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: Could you do it? I'd love to, so I didn't

1429
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: have to do content. It was just purely looking after

1430
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: the talent, getting the show to wear, getting it out

1431
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 2: on time. You know what an incredibly talented bunch of

1432
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: on camera and off camera people that team was. I

1433
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: was so disappointed to see ten Paul that I really

1434
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: didn't have any history with the show. I'd done six

1435
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 2: months on it. But people like Sarah Harris, Hamish McDonald,

1436
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 2: Wali and Ali you know talent, oh, sensational talent and

1437
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 2: talent who cared, who would come in and do their

1438
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 2: research and debate things about how.

1439
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: They should attack it.

1440
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: And you know, that show got pillared a bit for

1441
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: being a bit left wing, a bit woke at times,

1442
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: but mate, it was a really good bunch of people.

1443
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: But doesn't appreciate this stuff anymore.

1444
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 2: No, And That's what I'm saying.

1445
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: They don't appreciate talent and.

1446
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: Very sad to see that go and again, you know,

1447
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: then pops a cheaper version of a news show because

1448
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: it's being counters running television, not creative.

1449
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: And it's also about the money. Yeah, we've got to

1450
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: We're only earning this amount of income and that's all

1451
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: we can afford to produce. You pay shit, you get monkeys.

1452
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: That's I cannot leave a conversation with you without talking

1453
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: about Maddie Johns and Joey Johns Johns and two brothers

1454
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: and obviously Bege Reagan. Yes, tell me about Maddie Johns.

1455
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: Let's start with Maddie.

1456
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I just did a gig with him about three

1457
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 2: weeks ago. We both did the I got a phone

1458
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 2: call from Craig Johnston, the Johnson so the Liverpool player

1459
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 2: Ozzie who whenever and played.

1460
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: For Liverpool, who had famous for the boots.

1461
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 2: Yes, May invented the Predator, and Craig and I became

1462
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: mates back in the day. He was a wire old

1463
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 2: of sports reporter for a little while really yeah, under

1464
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 2: David Hill when Hilly was running Wild of Sports, and

1465
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 2: so we sort of met back then. And I got

1466
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 2: a call from him about three months ago saying I'm

1467
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 2: going to do a live show in Newcastle telling my story.

1468
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: Maddie John's is going to be in it with me.

1469
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: We need someone to pull it all together. Interested am

1470
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: I what Liverpool fan you know loved Maddie. So yeah,

1471
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: we just did a gig together a couple of weeks ago.

1472
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: It was fantastic.

1473
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: And Matt, Maddie, most people don't realize, is one of

1474
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: the smartest people ever meet. Absolutely and well researched. Yeah,

1475
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: and with an incredible memory. Mate, he will do he

1476
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: can remember stuff, yes, that he experienced in the ninety

1477
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: nineties singer group, Yeah, words or.

1478
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 2: Well doing this gig. He he came out and he

1479
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: just did a little opening monologue and he said, I'm

1480
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: just gonna win a Glenning. I said, they're great, fantastic

1481
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: and he cited Craig as his hero, you know, and

1482
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 2: he said, so he knew everything about Craig. Was one

1483
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: of the first books. You know, he was the first book,

1484
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: one of the early books he read as a sportsman

1485
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 2: was Craig's book. You know, he knew everything about him

1486
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 2: and he was just pulling things out and while Craig's

1487
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 2: telling stories and that Matt's been that was able to

1488
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: bring him back because he knew exactly where that story

1489
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: was going, and yeah, he was It was fantastic with

1490
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: But mate, yeah, I knew the boys back in the

1491
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 2: day when they were playing and Matt was playing for Cronulla.

1492
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 2: He's actually gone over to the UK, and Joey and

1493
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 2: I were probably tighter at that stage than Matt and I.

1494
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 2: But we're all all good mates, and you know, they'd

1495
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 2: come on the show and they do stuff, but they'll

1496
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 2: just our players, you know. But I'd really sort of

1497
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: identified Matt as being something, you know, he was something

1498
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 2: out of the box, and he went over to the

1499
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 2: UK to play, and we all kept in touch while

1500
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: he was over there, Joey and I with him and

1501
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 2: me with Matt. And when he came back his playing

1502
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: at the Sharks, and I said to him, I said, mate,

1503
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 2: when you stopped playing, you've got a gig.

1504
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: Was he doing skits then?

1505
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, So we started him. So he came back

1506
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: and we started doing Reg and Reg had been a

1507
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 2: character that he'd had at a mad Monday up there

1508
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 2: at the Knights, and so we just we just polished

1509
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 2: it a bit. And when I say polish, fucking you

1510
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 2: polish Red Dragon. We just made it TV worthy and

1511
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 2: relevant and let him go. You know, we had some

1512
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: a great producer with him go called Simon Steele. They'd

1513
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: sit down and they'd do a bit of stuff together.

1514
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: They'd run it by me and I'd let them go

1515
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: and away they'd go. So that was always fantastic. And

1516
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: then he was going out to do a I had

1517
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: Ryan Girdler going out to do a their house at

1518
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: Jason Stevens Place from Cranella and Jason, a great man

1519
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 2: lived at Brighton Le Sands overlooking the airport there, and

1520
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: I just thought it needed something in that segment. And

1521
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 2: matt was in the office hanging around doing something I

1522
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 2: can't remember, and I said, mate, I said, why don't

1523
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 2: we do a character like that Dave Grohl character in

1524
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,439
Speaker 2: Learned to Fly And he's got the mustache and he's

1525
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 2: like a gay flight Steward and he goes, Mate, leave

1526
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 2: it with me and Trent the flight Steward was born.

1527
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: And there's a shot there of Girds and Jason sitting

1528
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: on the lounge talking and the first time we ever

1529
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: saw Trent on television. The cameradge just pans when Matthew

1530
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 2: is lying at the other end of the lounge of

1531
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: these pants around.

1532
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 1: His ankles, the Hijah and there was Trent.

1533
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: Trent was born. So mate, he started doing these characters

1534
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: while he was playing, and I'd said to him, mate,

1535
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 2: there's a gig, you know, there's a gig. I could

1536
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: see more in him than just a bit player. And

1537
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 2: he did his neck and playing. He had an injury

1538
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 2: playing I think it was his neck playing with the Sharks,

1539
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: and I rang Ginge and I rang John Fordham, the

1540
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: late Great John and who was his manager at the time,

1541
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: and I said to him, went at a meeting pretty

1542
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 2: quick to talk about Matthew's future, and ging said, mate,

1543
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 2: we're going.

1544
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: To get him.

1545
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: And we got John in literally two days after the

1546
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 2: injury and did a deal. And Matt Matt gave me

1547
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: a handwritten note on my fortieth at Peacock Gardens when

1548
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 2: he appeared underknownst to me that my wife and he

1549
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 2: had organized him to come in as reg Reagan. He

1550
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 2: was already there as a guest, and he slipped away

1551
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: and came back in this redge. But he gave me

1552
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: a little handwritten note and he said, mate, without you,

1553
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: I would be a stop go man. At the Cessnock Council.

1554
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: He'd be the best fucking stop go man you'd ever meet.

1555
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: What about and can I need to talk about bo

1556
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 1: Ryan like Bowie was a card Yeah, but out there totally.

1557
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: Yeah again, I mean my mind, I said, but he

1558
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: could even be a bit neuro divergent if there is

1559
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: anything that ends in d he's got. Yeah, he is

1560
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 1: out there, yep, totally.

1561
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 2: And I inherited Bo when I went back. He'd been there,

1562
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 2: so he'd been well sort of prepped and started. But mate,

1563
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 2: he was he was good talent to grow. And I

1564
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 2: saw him on a bigger stage, which is while we

1565
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: put him in front of movie stars and you know,

1566
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: the rock and the Rock loves him really mate, The

1567
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 2: Rock and Kevin Hart did a video for me from

1568
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: a fiftieth because bow organized it.

1569
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's they love him, you know, and we

1570
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: only ever had What is it about him that that's

1571
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:56,839
Speaker 1: so sort of magnetic about.

1572
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 2: Well, I think it might be what you mentioned, you know,

1573
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 2: I think there's something quite disarmed about him.

1574
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost his enthusiasm is almost child especially

1575
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: when he talked to him. You don't not sure if

1576
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: he's taking the piss or finding.

1577
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 2: Him, but maybe he's he's a hard worker. He does yeah, yeah,

1578
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 2: like you know, there's never a problem.

1579
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 1: You know.

1580
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: You send him out a a on a bonose and

1581
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 2: they'd be out there for four hours shooting because he

1582
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: didn't think we'd got enough good stuff, and he'd be

1583
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 2: the guy going, we need to get we need to

1584
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 2: do more, whereas you know, the Fat would do twenty minutes,

1585
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: drop the mic and gone.

1586
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a golf for another week.

1587
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 2: He'd be on the golf course.

1588
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: What is it like? When were you there when Fat

1589
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: got moved on?

1590
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so mate, that was like okay, so that

1591
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 2: was the end for me too. That was a very difficult,

1592
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: difficult period. We'd done the end of the twenty seventeen show,

1593
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: we did that at the ic C, big crowd, great show.

1594
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 2: Or went off for a couple of weeks break and

1595
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 2: I got a phone call to come up here. So

1596
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 2: at the end of the Grand Final, yeah grand file. Yes,

1597
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: so we've done the Grand Final footy show at the

1598
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: icy C. With season finished, we took a bit of

1599
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 2: a break. I got a phone call to go and

1600
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 2: see the then CEO and another senior management guy Gingja's

1601
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 2: gone yeah, yeah, Ginge's gone and they wanted to. They

1602
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 2: said to me, look, we're changing the footy show around. Okay,

1603
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: we're putting it back under Wide World of Sports, and

1604
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: you won't be running it. I went, right, And we'd

1605
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: like to offer you something else if you're interested, but

1606
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 2: you won't be doing the footy show and there will

1607
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 2: be no role for Fatty and no role for Darryl Browman.

1608
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 2: But you know, you're going to have a bit of

1609
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: a think about what you want to do, and would

1610
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: you mind calling them and letting them know. How's that

1611
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: for an assyle act? So anyway, I went, okay, no

1612
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 2: problem at all. So I had about a three minute

1613
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 2: think about it and thought, my mate nine's not for

1614
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 2: me anymore. And that was the end of twenty seventeen.

1615
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 2: I had to ring fat the next day. He was

1616
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 2: on holidays in the US with his beautiful wife Kim,

1617
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 2: and I had to ring him and tell him that

1618
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 2: the decision had been made that the Footing Show would

1619
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 2: be continuing but without him, and his services were no

1620
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: longer required on the show. And mate, he hit him like.

1621
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: A ton of bricks, and that was also the end

1622
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: of your period.

1623
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 2: Then, yeah, yeah, So I decided. Then I said, look,

1624
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 2: this is not for me. I'll leave as well.

1625
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: So I exited and I remember having to be with

1626
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: you and gidget by and Bay.

1627
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 2: No, that was two thousand and five.

1628
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: That was the first time. That was two thousand and

1629
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 1: first time. Yeah, that was the first time I left. Yeah,

1630
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: So it wasn't because I was trying to work out

1631
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: which period it was.

1632
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was two thousand and five, the first yeah.

1633
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how did you feel?

1634
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 2: I felt very disappointed, and I felt that when it

1635
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: came back the next year for its final year, it

1636
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 2: should not have been called the Footy Show because it

1637
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: wasn't the footy Show and Fatty was the footy Show.

1638
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: Whether you love him or hate him, Fatty was the

1639
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 2: footy Show. And I felt it was really poor form

1640
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 2: that after twenty four years, we as a collective, particularly Fatty,

1641
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 2: weren't given the chance to firstly say thank you to

1642
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 2: all those people who had been with us, whether they

1643
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: were staff, whether they were fans, viewers for twenty five

1644
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 2: twenty four years, and we had the chance. You know,

1645
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 2: they knew what was happening. They could have told us

1646
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 2: and said, you know, say goodbyes. On the Grand Final

1647
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 2: show and do it with a bit of class, but

1648
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: there was no class.

1649
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: Well, now here's your chance, because we're getting a lot

1650
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: of feedback on all sorts of channels about people saying

1651
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: bring back the footage show. So what are you reading

1652
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 1: about that? Do you reckon we should bring back the

1653
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: footy show?

1654
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: Look, I personally think there's and someone will steal this idea,

1655
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 2: but I personally think there's a vehicle for it in

1656
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: Grand Final week that we should still be doing the

1657
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 2: Grand Final Footy Show on Thursday night and pay Fat

1658
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: whatever he wants, just to do one show a year

1659
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 2: and we bring out all the boys and we do

1660
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: a Grand Final Footy show at wherever a venue that

1661
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 2: creates that magnificent atmosphere and excitement for the Grand Final.

1662
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: And I'm available to do that. But as I said,

1663
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 2: I'm sure someone else ended up doing it for a

1664
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: lot cheaper. But you know, I don't know if it

1665
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 2: can come back as a weekly show. I just as

1666
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: we mentioned before, I think there's too many people who

1667
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 2: love to complain and get offended very easily these days,

1668
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: and that's a real shame. And to do the show

1669
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 2: the way it should be done, Fatty tells the story

1670
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 2: when he does public speaking. Now it's finally hit him

1671
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 2: what the show meant to people. And it took him

1672
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 2: six months of retirement. I used to say to him, mate,

1673
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 2: this show means so much to be like, oh mate,

1674
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 2: it's just a show. And he says he'd drive home

1675
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 2: after it and he'd forget about it. And the next

1676
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 2: thing you think about it was when I rate to

1677
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 2: annoy him to do an andiad or something the next week.

1678
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: He didn't think about it. But since he's retired and

1679
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 2: you're saying about this is it's genuine and tangible and

1680
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 2: he now feels it where people are coming up to

1681
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 2: him and saying I saw him in Sir La that

1682
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 2: the night at one of their speaking gigs and they

1683
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 2: talk about it, and Fatty says, people are coming up

1684
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: to me and saying Thursday night was when I got

1685
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: together with my dad and I'd go over to my

1686
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 2: dad's place and watch the footy show, Or was when

1687
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: our family got together to watch the footy show.

1688
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 1: As I moved with Benny Hill made my family and

1689
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: I used to do it my kids for the foot show.

1690
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And it was a place I remember Lecky

1691
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: David Lecky got me one week after the after the

1692
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 2: show to come over on a Friday night and have

1693
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 2: a beer and a bit of dinner and sit with

1694
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,560
Speaker 2: him and watch Friday night footy with him in his

1695
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 2: TV room because he wanted me to know where he

1696
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: sat on Thursday nights to watch my show, which was

1697
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 2: pretty fucking cool, you know. I thought that was good,

1698
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 2: but you know, it meant a lot to people, and

1699
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 2: I think it's more the memory.

1700
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: Now.

1701
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't think he could sustain a weekly version of

1702
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 2: it and do it justice.

1703
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: So one big event, I think, mate, can you imagine

1704
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 1: the ratings on a huge, huge and bring back all

1705
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: the old talent totally? Just bring them all back for

1706
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: work one night.

1707
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 2: One night only you know, no one's asking for a

1708
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 2: commitment which none of them want to give.

1709
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: Now.

1710
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Speaker 2: You know, I still keep in touch with them all.

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Speaker 2: I was texting with the Great Chief yesterday, you know,

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01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 2: one of the world's greatest men and great leaders, and

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Speaker 2: I heard Maddie John was talking recently about one of

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01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 2: the quotes that when they went out for that ninety

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01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 2: seven Grand Final was Chief turned to the team and

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01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: he said, they don't send people off in Grand finals.

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Speaker 1: Follow me what about that. Doesn't that getting the going

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Speaker 1: im glam made so good finally gets you a near

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Speaker 1: mate And I'm just had of all listen all your stories.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm sure our audience are going to have a

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Speaker 1: great time listening to these stories. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: for me, it was an era in my life, as

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01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 1: you said, probably never be revisited, but an era in

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Speaker 1: my life which has a significant part of my life,

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Speaker 1: in a significant part of a lot of Australians lives,

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Speaker 1: and all of us have got great memories for memories.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing his stories. Mate, You've been a legend.

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Speaker 1: Watch you brought to Australia. It was legendary, really seriously

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Mate, Thank you, Matte. It's an absolute honor to sit

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Speaker 2: here and do this with you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks buddy,