WEBVTT - Rishi Sunak's Australian communications 'magician'

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<v Speaker 1>From Shorts Media. I'm Rick Wharton. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of this week the United Kingdom will

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<v Speaker 1>almost certainly have a new Prime Minister and an end

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<v Speaker 1>to fourteen years of Tory rain. There is one man

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<v Speaker 1>in particular working very hard to prevent that. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the current Tory leader, Rishie Sunac, whose campaign from

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<v Speaker 1>the very first bizarre rainsoak election announcement has been marked

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<v Speaker 1>by ineptitude, misstep and ignorance. Today, veteran New k correspondent

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<v Speaker 1>and contributor to the Saturday Paper, Parlo Tottero on the

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<v Speaker 1>young strategist from reginal New South Wales whose stratospheric rise

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<v Speaker 1>in the dark arts of campaign tactics has helped craft

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<v Speaker 1>a series of so called miracle victories. That's after the break, Paula.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been watching the election campaign in the United Kingdom

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment, and you've been particularly looking into this

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<v Speaker 1>young Australian figure at the center of it. Who is that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, his name is Isaac Livedo and he's an Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>He was born in Maitland, he was raised in Port

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<v Speaker 2>McCrory and he now has pretty much the weight of

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<v Speaker 2>a seemingly unwinnable UK government election on his shoulders. Remarkable

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<v Speaker 2>young strategist who actually began his life at university thinking

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<v Speaker 2>he might want to be an accountant and very quickly

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<v Speaker 2>found out that this wasn't for him and began a

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting trajectory into political strategy and pole reading.

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<v Speaker 3>With my friend Isaac Levito joining us from London, England

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<v Speaker 3>this evening in London.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks very much for joining and welcome Isaac.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks very much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>He's seen as a bit of a magician here because

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<v Speaker 2>he's had some extraordinary wins working with Boris Johnson and

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<v Speaker 2>delivered that incredible election win in twenty nineteen in.

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<v Speaker 3>The UK we were in quite a challenging situation where

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<v Speaker 3>an incumbent government but effectively running against the status quo

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<v Speaker 3>that all vote for anyone else was.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course in Australia in the very same year

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<v Speaker 2>winning the election with Scott Morrison, which was I think

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<v Speaker 2>was called the miracle election, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>I have always believed in miracles. I was on that

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<v Speaker 1>campaign and very few people saw it coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he's got a bit of a magic around him,

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<v Speaker 2>which I suspect considering what we've seen in the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks. It's a little tarnished at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't like to be in his shoes, but it

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<v Speaker 2>that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's sketch that out a little bit. So how

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<v Speaker 1>is the Rishi seen that campaign going? The Tory campaign?

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<v Speaker 1>Where are they at? Is he kind of writing on

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<v Speaker 1>the accumulated scandal of many years of government? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>The truth is that it could not be going worse

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<v Speaker 2>for the Conservatives than it is going at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Sir John Curtis, who is the kind of election guru,

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<v Speaker 2>looks very cateveric face, which it gets on the BBC,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's the most trusted of the posters and he's basically,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's saying that they're going to be it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a route they will take at least

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<v Speaker 2>two terms possibly to get back into power. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we all saw around the world, and I certainly watched

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<v Speaker 2>it live when Sunak announced this big surprise announcement outside

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<v Speaker 2>Number ten and it was pouring with rain, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was watching television wondering how it was possible that

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<v Speaker 2>somebody couldn't come out with an umbrella over the poor.

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<v Speaker 5>Man in stability. At rest can restore pride and confidence

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<v Speaker 5>in our tree, and with a clear plan and bold action,

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<v Speaker 5>will deliver a secure future for you, your family and

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<v Speaker 5>our United Kingdom.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Larry the Cat was seen in the background, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the number ten cat that lives, lives and seen number

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<v Speaker 2>of prime ministers. You know, he took shelter in front

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<v Speaker 2>of the cameras. It was. It couldn't have been written,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, by a satirist better.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just shocking what we threw. The greatest hits

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<v Speaker 1>so far of the statues and gas and other things

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<v Speaker 1>that run with the a F of this campaign. What

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<v Speaker 1>have we got?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the one that you know that that

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<v Speaker 2>was incredible And again you wonder where Livedo was and

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<v Speaker 2>and if the problem is with advice or whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>risty s or not listening to advice. But that was

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<v Speaker 2>the D day, you know, the celebrations, and he disappeared,

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<v Speaker 2>you know early supposedly for a really quite unimportant interview

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<v Speaker 2>really with IV. Could have done it at any time time.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to see.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it all just ran.

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<v Speaker 1>It was incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is quite a lot of gossip around Whitehall

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera that Sunac unlike Boris isn't listening. He tends

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of go his own plowy zone, Pharaoh.

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<v Speaker 5>National service will be compulsory. The military option will be

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<v Speaker 5>something that people.

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<v Speaker 1>Choose to do. So how will you make people do it?

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<v Speaker 6>Sorry, if national service is going to be compulsory, how

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<v Speaker 6>will you make people do it?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you'll have a set of sanctions and incentives, and

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<v Speaker 5>we will look at the models that are existing around

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<v Speaker 5>Europe the appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, every time we see you almost feel sorry

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<v Speaker 2>for him because he's constantly apologizing.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a betting scandal now within the Prime minist's

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<v Speaker 1>own staff. Can you tell me a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the story began with the Gambling Commission being alerted,

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<v Speaker 2>we think by an anonymous tip off to a small

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<v Speaker 2>rash of bits for the date of the election.

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<v Speaker 6>Alas Williams Joe Pike from Bucy News did you have

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<v Speaker 6>inside information when you placed your bet on the election

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<v Speaker 6>date statement?

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<v Speaker 2>There was a clutch of personal protection officers around number

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<v Speaker 2>ten Police met police who had done this, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the Gambling Commission decided to widen.

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<v Speaker 6>It that there was an election coming and you were trying,

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<v Speaker 6>perhaps to take advantage of that.

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<v Speaker 5>Adding to the similar already.

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<v Speaker 2>Made and it's now sneered a number of Conservatives, a

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<v Speaker 2>number of Torri MPs to have had to apologize and

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<v Speaker 2>stip down.

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<v Speaker 5>Did you tell Craig Williams, a man that you said

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<v Speaker 5>you were with almost every minute of every day the

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<v Speaker 5>date of the election before he put the bet on Sam?

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<v Speaker 5>I've been clear about this. I'm furious to have learned

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<v Speaker 5>about these allegations. We've initiated independent inquiries of our own

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<v Speaker 5>internal ones because I don't have access.

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<v Speaker 2>All in our I think there's at least ten, if

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<v Speaker 2>not more. And what we do know is that the

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<v Speaker 2>Gamby Commision is being very close lip about it and

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<v Speaker 2>that it could be much much wider than we've already seen.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the moment, the front pages of all British

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<v Speaker 2>newspapers a week or so from the election are full

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<v Speaker 2>of the Tories, you know, gambling on inside knowledge of

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<v Speaker 2>the date of the election. You couldn't make it up,

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<v Speaker 2>could you?

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<v Speaker 1>And of course I think I know the answer now,

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<v Speaker 1>But Isaac Lobto is tasked with trying to turn it

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<v Speaker 1>all around. We're only days out now from the election.

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<v Speaker 1>Can he pull off another miracle?

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<v Speaker 2>You know that the polls are so tight now and

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<v Speaker 2>the reading of focus groups, it's an art for becoming

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<v Speaker 2>a science. And I think that if Sir John Curtis,

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<v Speaker 2>who is really very conservative when it comes to these things,

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<v Speaker 2>says they haven't a chance, I don't think they really,

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't think they do. I mean, they have

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<v Speaker 2>a huge majority, but it looks like the biggest problem

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<v Speaker 2>is that is that the southern seats, the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the more metropolitan moderate rump of Tory voters, they've lost

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<v Speaker 2>those two because of Brexit. So in the end they've

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<v Speaker 2>moved to the right thinking that they could hang on

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<v Speaker 2>to that rump of right of center voter, but they've

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<v Speaker 2>actually lost a much more important one in the cities.

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<v Speaker 2>So it looks like an absolute mess at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>The landscape is looking incredibly dramatic for them, and if

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<v Speaker 2>the worst case scenario polls are correct, of their six

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty seats in the UK Parliament, at worst

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<v Speaker 2>case scenario, they might end up with as few as

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<v Speaker 2>fifty three, which, as the Polster the British Polster Professor

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<v Speaker 2>Curtis said, could possibly be the worst performance since World

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<v Speaker 2>War One, and possibly worse so wipeout is potentially an

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<v Speaker 2>understatement at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break, What will Isaac Lavito do if the

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<v Speaker 1>Conservatives are decimated on polling day? Palla. So far, Isaac

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<v Speaker 1>Lovito has not exactly had the secret to turning around

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<v Speaker 1>Richie Sunak's fortunes, and I don't think at this point

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<v Speaker 1>many people expected he could. What do we know about

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<v Speaker 1>Lvito and how he operates? So I'm fascinated by this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of person and what motivates them, how does he

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<v Speaker 1>apply his trade.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting because usually when you talk to people

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<v Speaker 2>about this kind of strategist, the one that's in the

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<v Speaker 2>backgrounds of the dark arts person, generally, you know, negative

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<v Speaker 2>things come out when you talk to people about Livido.

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<v Speaker 2>No matter whether you talk to labor or conservative people.

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<v Speaker 2>He's very well liked. He has apparently a really strong

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<v Speaker 2>sort of work ethic. He's his team up and ready

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<v Speaker 2>at five forty most mornings to ensure that they are

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<v Speaker 2>ready to listen to the first round of news.

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<v Speaker 3>All campaigns, no matter how short short a period of

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<v Speaker 3>time you've got, you need to sort of sweat the

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<v Speaker 3>small stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, he'd cut his teeth working for Cosby Texter in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>As a young man, Levito was Linton Crosby's star protege,

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<v Speaker 2>the strategist who's known for the bottom drawer stories that

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<v Speaker 2>emerge about opponents. He's really well known for those kind

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<v Speaker 2>of darker strategies if you like, you know, Unlike Linton Crosby,

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<v Speaker 2>who is known for his blue language and Dominic Cummings

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<v Speaker 2>who is known for flying crockery, Leveto is apparently very

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<v Speaker 2>generous with his time listens, you know, during a campaign

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<v Speaker 2>and the hustings in long hours, and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of grunt work, even you know, for the more senior people.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he has this tradition of having a soft

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<v Speaker 2>furry toy which is handed ceremonious to each person who

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<v Speaker 2>is the star campaigner on the day. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>one year he hadn Echidnaer and another year he had

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<v Speaker 2>something else, something else, but Ozzie. So he has the

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<v Speaker 2>capacity to draw people together and to ensure that they

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<v Speaker 2>feel like a team. He also is apparently a magician

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of focus groups.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw some research recently where an overwhelming majority of

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<v Speaker 3>voters wanted to nationalize the railways. If they asked the question,

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<v Speaker 3>would you nationalize the railways six sixty five seventy same poll,

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<v Speaker 3>the question was asked, do you think nationalizing the railways

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<v Speaker 3>is actually going to solve the problem? Basically the same

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<v Speaker 3>number said no, they don't think to solve the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's a big believer in intuition. He believes that

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<v Speaker 2>voters immediately gut understand when a politician is not being honest.

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<v Speaker 2>But they don't need to hear words. They will read

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<v Speaker 2>the body language and the feeling of the person they see.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, voters are extremely perceptive. Is when they see

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<v Speaker 3>that there are you know, whether it be ulterior motives

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<v Speaker 3>or whether again it just be.

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<v Speaker 2>So clearly, he trusts his own intuition and so in

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<v Speaker 2>focus groups is able to pull together how people are feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>As he's traveling and listening to voters. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>a great pity that in this occasion, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>best surgeons get the worst cases. I think that may

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<v Speaker 2>well be the case for Lovedo in this election.

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<v Speaker 5>Yea.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, as you mentioned, you know, come Friday

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<v Speaker 1>Australia time, it's almost a sure thing now that the

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<v Speaker 1>United Kingdom will have a new leader, and that that

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<v Speaker 1>leader will be Keith Starmer, who is sort of there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't tell you a lot about him. What

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<v Speaker 1>can you kind of pull apart about who Key Starma is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that what you observe, even in Australia is

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<v Speaker 2>what the electorate is still saying, even though the polls

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<v Speaker 2>are showing a massive, massive landslide for Labor. When you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the polling for voter response to Starma, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know him yet, and he is somebody you were,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently in private, very witty, very funny, very relaxed. But

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<v Speaker 2>as a politician in debates, when we see him on

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<v Speaker 2>television on the hustings, he's quite wooden. He doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to relax very much.

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<v Speaker 7>We're going to hit the ground running from the very

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<v Speaker 7>get go day one. First, obviously, stabilize the economy. We

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<v Speaker 7>have to get that back under control. Secondly, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>making sure that we're bringing down the waiting list forty

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<v Speaker 7>thousand appointments each and every week, that's two million a

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<v Speaker 7>year extra. Bring down that waiting list. A border security command.

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<v Speaker 2>This is you've going to remember that. To get to

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<v Speaker 2>where he got to, he had to completely restructure the

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<v Speaker 2>Labor Party. He had to sort of get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>the far left that was exemplified by Jeremy Corbyn who

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<v Speaker 2>lost that election to Boris Johnson. So dramatically he's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a very ambitious, quietly ambitious person, I think, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that will come out more, you know, once he's

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<v Speaker 2>in number ten, we'll see more of the real key Starman.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it is a neat kind of dichotomy, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>For as long as he's been in politics, the Conservatives

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<v Speaker 1>have been in power. They've held government for what fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>years now? Yeah, they're one of the oldest parliamentary parties

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. How big a moment is it for

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<v Speaker 1>the Tories if they are wiped out and does that

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<v Speaker 1>reshape British politics in the short term or even the

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<v Speaker 1>long term?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think if it does happen to that degree,

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<v Speaker 2>it's incredibly, incredibly dramatic. Because what we haven't spoken about

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<v Speaker 2>as we've chatted, and which Levido would have had to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with internally at the eleventh hour, is the entry

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<v Speaker 2>of Nigel Farage at the very last minute into the

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<v Speaker 2>election campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>The MRB pole out last night said the reform of

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<v Speaker 4>gone from expecting to win nought seats to eighteen seats.

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<v Speaker 2>Why he was originally not going to campaign. His campaigned

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<v Speaker 2>many times, never won a seat, and since then Reform

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<v Speaker 2>has hold relatively well. They do appear to be taking

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<v Speaker 2>in the oxygen of the right of center far right

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<v Speaker 2>of center x Tory constituency. So if they get a

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<v Speaker 2>seat or two, that will change things hugely, if Reform

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<v Speaker 2>actually managed to have any success at all, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course there's Levito. I think one of

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits of not being in the spotlight is that

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<v Speaker 1>no one notices when the spotlight puts on. So he

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<v Speaker 1>will continue working and taking clients, no doubt very much.

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, he in twenty nineteen, about a month

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<v Speaker 2>after he won the election with Boris Johnson, he set

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<v Speaker 2>up a consultancy, just as Linton Crosby before him had done,

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<v Speaker 2>which is called Fleetwood Strategy. And now he's got a

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<v Speaker 2>number of elections wins under his belt. Sadly this one

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<v Speaker 2>won't be one of them. But corporate clients in the end,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, having a strategist that has had access to

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<v Speaker 2>such senior politicians over a period of time, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously very very attractive. It said that he made his

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<v Speaker 2>first corporate million in the first year of Fleetwood Strategy

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<v Speaker 2>opening his doors. So I suspect he's not overly worried

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<v Speaker 2>about his future. Probably we'll want to wash his hands

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<v Speaker 2>and just get on with it and back to the

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<v Speaker 2>corporate stuff. He believes that corporate pr and strategic work

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<v Speaker 2>is now so similar to the political and that ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>you have to keep CEOs on message. You need to

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<v Speaker 2>have a campaign, you need to have a clear focus,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to have a team with disciplines. So he's

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<v Speaker 2>just transferring his political skills over to the extremely lucrative

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<v Speaker 2>corporate world. So good luck to him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's terrifying and fascinating at the same time. Power Tatar,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you giving us the time.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an absolute pleasure anytime.

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<v Speaker 8>Also in the news today, Defense Minister Richard Miles says

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<v Speaker 8>Joe Biden quote definitely has the capacity to be president

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<v Speaker 8>for the next four years. After Biden's performance in the

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<v Speaker 8>first presidential debate, his party reportedly entered a panic over

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<v Speaker 8>the weekend, with media reports that some Democratic Party figures

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<v Speaker 8>were hoping to convince Biden to drop out of the race.

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<v Speaker 8>And it's been reported that a federal police investigation looking

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<v Speaker 8>at links between Defense Force members and extremist or supremacist

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<v Speaker 8>groups has led to at least sixteen investigations into personnel.

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<v Speaker 8>While the outcomes of those inquiries are unknown, The Guardian

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<v Speaker 8>reports that at least two of the investigations found that

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<v Speaker 8>a member of the Services took part in nationalist and racist,

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<v Speaker 8>violent extremist groups or associates. I'm Scott Mitchell. This is

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<v Speaker 8>seven am. Rick Morton will be with you again tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 8>Thanks for listening.