WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 25 February 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:05.720 Late wait general, welcome the late bads. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:09.200 Well, good evening and thanks for joining us. 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.200 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.200 up tonight. I'm pretty sure Anthony Albanese's media advisors are 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:18.119 working to get Peter Dutton elected. 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:19.639 We'll show you why a little later. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.400 Plus, when we look at the papers, Labour's plan to 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.000 resettle criminal non citizens in n RU HiT's a snag. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:31.440 And Australian universities want funds dedicated to improving roads redirected 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:34.920 to them for research because we all know universities need 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.040 more money. All of that when we look at the 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.080 news a little later, but first, A Captain Cook's statue 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:45.080 in Melbourne's Fitzroy Gardens has been attacked, just weeks after 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:48.960 it was reinstalled after being repaired from the last act 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.800 of vandalism back in February last year. Vandal's not the 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:56.120 statue off its pedestal, and in the early hours of 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.320 this morning they used an angle grinder in an attempt 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:04.039 to soar off the statues head. Three unidentified vandals fled 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.360 before they were able to decapitate the statue after being 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.920 interrupted by a security patrol. Now here's the first lesson 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.600 that our councils need to understand. It's pretty obvious that 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.800 statues like Captain Cook call Queen Victoria, those statues that 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:23.560 remind us of our British past, are targets for vandals, 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.880 and so it only stands to reason that every council 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.600 around the country does what the City of Melbourne had 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:35.679 done with this statue, install lighting, CCTV cameras and security patrols. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.959 Here in Sydney, the city of Randwick is debating whether 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.280 or not they should have CCTV cameras monitoring a Captain 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.319 Cook statue here that's been. 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.080 Vandalized, not once but twice. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:50.160 It begs belief that they're debating whether or not CCTV 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:51.520 cameras should be installed. 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:53.360 They'll tell you why they're debating it, though. 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.480 The Greens Mayor philipp at Veach has said on the 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.080 public record she doesn't think the statue should be there 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:03.440 at all because it's a sad reminder of our colonial past, 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.720 and so they're going to debate whether or not there 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:10.480 should be security. Melbourne's Lord Mayor Nicholas Reese and credit 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.080 for putting in security to protect the statue. Otherwise the 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.840 head of the statue would have been locked off this morning. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.080 But have a listen to what he said, because I 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.359 don't think he still quite gets it. 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:23.160 In a statement, he said. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.760 And I quote, our security team observed Cook's cottage and 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.000 the Captain Cook's statue being damaged early on Tuesday morning 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.399 and implemented measures that prompt defenders to leave the scene. Well, 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.880 so far, so good, But have listen to this next part. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.640 He says, while there are a range of views on 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.400 statues and memorials, each time a monument is damaged, it's 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.280 ultimately the ratepayer footing the bill, and that is unacceptable. 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:52.280 What I don't like about that statement is it's unnecessary. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.280 To qualify it with while there are a range of 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.880 views on statues and memorials, there are a range of 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:02.880 views on all sorts of things, including crimes. But saying 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:06.840 that almost gives cover for those who commit these crimes. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:11.240 It's like they're subterly saying, look, we understand why you 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:15.040 did it. And when criminals hear that sort of language 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.440 and retrick from our elected officials, well, no wonder they 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.960 continue to behave in this way. Help listen to police 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:23.760 Detective Inspector Martin McClain. 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:25.040 He gets it. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.359 The community has a pretty deal view on people who 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.080 behave in this manner in public. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:33.600 I don't see them as protests. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.840 I'll see them as criminals and that's how we'll deal 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:36.200 with them. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:38.680 Absolutely, they're criminals. 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:40.760 And for the Lord Mayer of Melbourne to say, you know, 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.880 the problem here is ultimately rate payers have to pay 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:48.360 money to fix the statue. That's probably the last concern. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.080 To be honest, it's not that much money. It's more 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:55.920 an attack on our history, our culture, and our country 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.480 than an attack on rate payer money. The problem I 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.240 see with this, Liz and Caleb, it's that if our 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:05.760 elected officials don't talk tough on this, then we're going 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.280 to get to a point where this happens so often 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.720 that Lord mayors across the country will say, you know what, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.840 it's just not worth it. It's too expensive for rate payers. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.760 We're better off just not having these statues at all. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.960 Problems solved, and there goes the culture. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:21.400 Well. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.479 The fact that Detective Inspector maclain even has to point 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.520 out that these people are criminals and not protesters, I 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.599 think probably gives you an indication of just how far 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:34.719 we've come or how far we've fallen, probably more pertinently. 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.680 And the question is why do people do this? And 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:38.679 there's two reasons. 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.880 The first, of course, is the cultural reason that they 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.359 do it. And when they're going after a statue of 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.360 Captain Corp who and I know I say this every time, 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:48.279 but I'm going to say. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.760 It again, was not on the first fleet. 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.120 He had nothing to do with the colonization of Australia. 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:58.120 He was murdered nine years before the first fleet rocked up. Sorry, 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.080 I've just got to point it out just how historically 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.159 illiterate these people are. But they're doing it to say 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.400 we hate this country, we hate the basis of this country. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.279 And I'll come back to that in a moment. But 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.479 the second reason they do it is because they keep 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.760 damn well getting away with them. How many times have 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.160 we heard stories of statues of Queen Victoria and Captain 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.479 Cook and whoever else, Matthew Flinders. The list goes on, 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.800 in the last five or so years being vandalized. Now 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.599 I tried to find tonight an example of any of 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.480 those people being convicted. You've had in the last couple 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.520 of months a bunch of people charged with vandalizing statues 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.440 in Sydney. I couldn't find anyone who's been charged with 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.560 vandalizing a statue in Melbourne. 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.200 A few people have been charged. 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:48.320 In Sydney, but the only person I could find in 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:53.000 the last five years who has been convicted of vandalizing a. 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.960 Statue with a Green staffer. 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.920 Who in Sydney vandalized the Captain Cook statue in Hyde 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.080 Park in twenty twenty. He spray painted it with this 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.080 sort of anti colonial messaging. All he got was a 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.800 fine of one seven hundred and sixty dollars. So that's 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.400 hardly a disincentive to go and do it, isn't it. 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:13.640 I mean, if you've been. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.640 Wanting to do it recently, you've looked and gone, well, 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.040 no one's been done for it since twenty twenty, so 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:20.640 why wouldn't I go and do it? 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:22.960 And we need to get seriously. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.160 Tough on it if they are doing it, as I say, 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.960 because it is an attack on our country. We've been 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:33.080 talking recently about hate laws for people who do acts 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.479 against sacred places when it comes to religion. If you 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.840 attack a synagogue, if you attack a mosque, if you 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.320 attack a church, et cetera. We've been saying, well that 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.839 ought to be a separate offense, that is a hateful 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:48.440 offense against people because of their religion. Well, why don't 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:51.600 we say that if you're attacking a Captain Cook statue. 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:56.279 Clearly it is a hateful offense against the people of Australia, 0:06:56.360 --> 0:07:00.640 and so it ought to have a hefty penalty. In Victoria, 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.839 the highest penalty you can get for vandalism is ten 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.080 years in prison. But when was the last time you 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.120 heard of someone getting ten years in prison for vandalism, 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.360 let alone someone going to prison for vandalizing a statue. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.080 Because I couldn't find any of them. We have to 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.680 get tough on this or it will not stop. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.840 Indeed, I mean I was shocked to read today that 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.040 eighteen statues, two of them were beheaded, which was Paul 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:30.400 Keating and Kevin Rudd in Victoria in January alone. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.320 So you know these guys are on sprees. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.360 But yes, I think it points to the fact that 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.600 this isn't necessarily like a oh. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.680 I'm trying to show those colonialists. 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.240 Like you've pointed out, these guys don't even know their history. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.320 They don't know that Cook had absolutely nothing to do 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:52.440 with the colonization of Australia wasn't a part of it, 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.080 wasn't a participant. And yet these are, i would say, 0:07:56.200 --> 0:08:00.680 just angry ues happy to take on this mantle of 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:05.040 if the establishment, and this is their way of expressing themselves. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.200 And you've already answered my next question, which is when 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.960 these guys get caught on the old occasion we get lucky, 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.640 what do they get in punishment? It's exactly the same 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:19.520 with the climate protesters that we bang on about endlessly 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.800 holding up entire railroads and industries to ransom, and yet 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.559 when they're brought before a court, what do they get? 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:28.280 A slap on the wrist? 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.400 Not even our government has not taken a single opportunity. 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:33.800 When I say our government. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.439 I mean none of them, state or federal, has taken 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:41.480 a single opportunity to actually hold up a scalp and 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.120 say this, what we just did to this guy who's 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.080 been found guilty of this crime. Is what will happen 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.679 to you? So, like you say, we have absolutely no deterrent. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.040 And it's a little wonder that Victoria's got the highest 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.400 debt in the country. Forget about the pandemic last year. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:02.120 Late last year they foked out thirty million dollars to 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.400 cover off on the protests at the weapons Expo. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.440 Which we all saw turn very violent. 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.640 Several police had to be patched up, one hundred and 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:17.680 fifty protesters were apparently injured. I mean, that just turned 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:23.400 into armageddon. Then there's the four million to policing the 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:29.240 fifty two pro Palestinian parades whatever you want to call them, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:34.240 rallies protests last year alone. I mean, this racks up 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:39.280 such an incredible bill on rate payers and on taxpayers. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.280 And this is where I am. 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:47.080 Not a fan of forbidding these idiotic youths to post 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.880 their exploits on social media, because if only they do that, 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.400 the police would have them by now. It actually helps 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.760 our police force when these stupid youths see fit to 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.440 boast about it, and the next thing you know, we 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.320 have the coppers at their door saying, well, we know 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:03.480 who done it, now, don't we. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.800 In many of these cases, people have been charged in 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.200 Sydney in the last few months. They've also been charged 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.560 with wearing masks and whatever when they go off and 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.800 do it, So they're not quite that stupid. They don't 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.520 have any historical literacy, but you know they've got the 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.240 smarts to put something over their face. But perhaps one 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.320 of the prime suspects, given Parliament isn't sitting this week, 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.199 should be Victorian Senator Lydia Thorpe. Now I'm not saying 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.080 she actually did it. Sorry Lydia, Sorry Lydia, it was 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.560 just a joke. But hey, we haven't done a loopy 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.360 Lydias story for a while, so do I have a 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.559 doozy for you. You might remember a few weeks ago 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.920 we were talking about a quote unquote anti racism symposium 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:45.800 at the Queensland University of Technology that was held only 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.760 twenty third of January, and the story previously was about 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.640 a speaker who had talked about the concept of Dutton's 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.040 jew which was you know, or Jews who don't stand 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.760 up for the left, et cetera, et cetera. There was 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.640 a big outcry about that. We carried on about that 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.800 at the time. But a little bit more has come 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:07.120 out about this supposed anti racism symposium and would you 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:07.840 believe it? 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.800 It's racism from Lydia. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.319 Thought, I'll let her take it away where she says 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.800 we should literally take back the land. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.640 This is an assertion of sovereignty, so we need to 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.400 start our own flags into our own land. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.280 And the colony. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.480 It's the only way we're going to do it. We 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:36.559 need to mobilize, we need to heal, we need to decolonize, 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.160 and we want self determination. We need to decide our 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:47.280 own destiny. We need to be economically independent, and we 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:48.640 need to take on colony. 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.319 But we can't do. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:54.880 It how we are. We're just too separated and divided. 0:11:56.160 --> 0:12:00.600 We're too separated and divided. But we need a separate 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.920 system under which to rule ourselves. I don't know, it 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.080 kind of sounds like segregation to me, but anyway, that's 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:07.760 what she's saying. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.600 Put the flag in the ground. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.800 We're going to take the land back, because that, of course, 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.600 is how you achieve something called reconciliation. Now, I always 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.160 thought reconciliation, by the fact that it's got reconcile at 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:23.559 the start of it meant that you do actually reconcile 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.599 your differences and then you move forward together. But of 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.520 course that's not what people like Lydia Thorpe wanted. Meanwhile, 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.800 while she's doing all of this, she's collecting her senatorial 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.480 salary more than two hundred thousand dollars a year, but 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:38.800 she hates. 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:43.440 The job, workplace that I have to go to every 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:49.679 Parliament sitting. I hate going there. I hate dealing with 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.280 the people that I'm going to deal with, but I 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.080 have to do it. I have to do it for 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:59.040 my people and for all of our ancestors that are 0:12:59.080 --> 0:12:59.960 watching down on. 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.680 I have to do it. I have to take the 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.640 two hundred grand every year, even. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.560 Though I hate dealing with the people who elected me. 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.360 I mean, you know, she's the model local member, isn't she. 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.000 But I actually in some. 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.800 Ways quite like Lydia Thorpe because she just lets the 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.800 cat out the bag all the time. She doesn't, you know, 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.960 dance around anything and not tell us what she actually thinks. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.800 She just comes out and says, yes, this is actually 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.960 the plan. The idea here is that we should be 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:36.439 entirely separate. There's no Australia. We should be entirely separate. Look, 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.360 if that's what you want, Lydia, sure I would be 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.360 quite happy to carve off a bit of land somewhere 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:43.720 and say bugger off. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.920 I never want to hear from you again. You can 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:46.800 look after it. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.000 You can organize the power, you can organize the water, 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.559 you can organize the medicine. You can organize the Internet 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:55.559 and the iPhones and all the other things that you're 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:56.240 accustomed to. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.000 Here you go and do it yourself. I'm done with you. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:03.120 I don't understand why you run an anti racism symposium 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.280 and invite Lydia Thorpe who is from the Black Sovereignty movement, 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.880 which sounds a little bit racist. And then she gets 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.480 up at this anti racism symposium and she sounds off 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:17.199 against quote white Karens. She talks about not just putting 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.920 the indigenous flag in the ground, but then charging white 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.600 people to actually use that space where they've planted the 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:24.600 indigenous flag. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.560 She talks about the bloody country you looked around recently, 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.160 well already half the country is. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.760 She talks about our land, our country. And here's what 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:36.000 I don't understand you've talked about. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.280 You know, if you vandalize a Captain Cook statue, is 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.360 at a hate crime against Australia. If she's talking about 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.840 her stated goal as a parliamentarian is the overthrowing of 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:45.920 the Australian government. 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:48.760 Do we not have treason laws anymore? 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:53.400 Or have somebody on the public purse in our parliament 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.240 saying my objective is to overthrow the elected government of 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.960 the country. Lydia Thorpe is written off as a joke, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:01.600 and I know we do that as well. But I 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:06.040 actually think she's dangerous because while most people don't take 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.800 her seriously, there are a small group of people that do. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.640 But there's another problem. She serves a purpose. She's so 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:17.120 far out there, she's so extreme, she is so ridiculous 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:21.240 that she makes the real extremists sound moderate. The Islamists 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.760 do this as well, and this is what happens with Islam. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:27.200 Yet these extremists, with their crazy ideas, who make it 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.320 so this is what Isa suddenly made Al Kaider seem 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.320 They're not bad guys, right, and now we deal with 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.320 I mean, El Cleider are sitting at climate summits. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:40.320 Talking about, you know, reducing emissions. How did that happen? 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.240 Isis the extremists made the moderates look That made the 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:47.480 other extremists look moderate. Lydia Thorpe serves the same purpose 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.840 in terms of racial affairs in this country. She's so 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:55.000 far out there she makes others calling for reparations, calling 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:58.880 for truth telling, calling for treaty makes them look reasonable. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:00.800 And so I think she's more than a joke. She's 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.440 dangerous and I cannot, for the life of me understand 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.320 why our senators have not been able to find a 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.479 reason to have her expelled from the senateor. 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.920 Well, it is very hard to boot a senator. There's 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.640 a lot of rules that regulation out. No, no, no, 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.040 but they've intentionally made it very hard. Because someone is 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:24.000 elected by the people by popular vote, then only the 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.200 people can demote that person. You can be kicked out 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.360 of a party, but to actually get them out of 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.920 Parliament once that many people have gone to the ballot 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.360 box and said yes, I think it's a great idea 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:39.440 that this senator remains one of our sixty seven people 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.360 in the Senate in that hallowed place. 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:42.880 I think she should be given that authority. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:47.760 Absolutely, and so she has legitimate standing to be there, 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.120 and none of us can be like, well she should 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.120 be gone. No, no, the people voted for her, and 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.480 there she'll remain. I love what you said to you. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.280 It's been a while since we've had a Lydia thought story. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.800 I swear that's why she does this. If a week 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.000 or two goes by Lydia Thorpe can't stand it. She's like, 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:07.560 nobody's mentioned me. She's probably got media alerts and being like, 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.200 you know what, it's been way too quiet. It's time 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:11.680 that I put another fox. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:12.040 In the henhouse. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:17.320 The additional comments that she said stating her reason for 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:18.000 staying there. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:18.640 You heard her. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.480 She's such a martyr for the cause, but she's got 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.840 to do it for her people. She said, I'm going 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.359 to see out my term and I'm going to run 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:31.440 again in order to then hand it over to the younger. 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.560 People in my movement. 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.800 She reckons, and I quote that the black sovereign candidates 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:42.399 could win the bottom seat, bottom Senate seat everywhere and 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.600 can have the balance of power. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.640 Yeah, lady, because you have so endeared people to your 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:50.600 cause through. 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:53.760 Your ridiculous antics, I'm sure that they would get up. 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.359 All over Australia. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.280 Not I don't think so, but speaking of people who 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.920 we'd run not be in our Senate, and yet there 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:08.199 they are. Our next story is on senator payment. She 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:14.800 attended a event by the Benevolent Iranian Women Association, and 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.240 some footage has come to light regarding that. Have a 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.040 look at what she said. This footage came to light 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:22.200 just yesterday. 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.280 Here she was at this. 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:28.919 Symposium that's supposed to be talking about the women's rights 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:30.520 violations in Iran. 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.199 That's why this association was. 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:36.480 Started in nineteen ninety and yet she didn't seem to be. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.960 Quite on board with their agenda. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:45.440 Incredible place that Iran is allowing for women to participate 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:48.560 in the workforce, to ensure that they have a voice 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.640 and their voices are heard, they're involved in the democratic process. 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.240 Realities that we're not privy to living here and listening 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:57.840 to the propaganda. 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.760 That we receive from very single. 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.880 Sided organizations with a specific agenda. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:08.120 She said, there's two sides to every coin. It's Western propaganda. 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:13.359 It's a stereotype that women are abused in Iran. To 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.480 Senator Payment, I would say that is a country that 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:22.800 still practices, not countrywide, but certainly does practice female genital mutilation. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.560 And between twenty and seventeen and twenty and twenty two, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:33.160 one hundred and eighty four thousand child bride weddings were 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.119 registered in Iran. And when I say child bride, I 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:41.199 mean under the age of fifteen. You think that is 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:45.640 not a massive human rights abuse taking part. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.679 Right under your nose, And you want to. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.399 Stand up at this symposium and say, wow, you know 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:55.000 there's two sides to every story. Let's not stereotype here. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.840 A lot of this is just Western propaganda. No, those 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:03.520 figures I gave you right out of Tehran's own account 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.080 of how many of those marriages took place. 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.040 Okay, so here. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.280 We're interested in the facts, not you trying to endear 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.840 Westerners to Oh, maybe it's not so bad for Iranian 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:19.760 women after all, Now, kudos to Paymen. It was probably 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.239 after the criticism started pouring in that she backed up 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:26.600 her comments with this one. She said, I haven't been 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.040 to Iran. Oh thanks for clarifying. I don't know what 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:34.640 the situation is like. And frankly, speaking as an Australian senator, I. 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.400 Have a lot more pressing matters to be. 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:40.879 Across and to represent my constituents here. Whether I agree 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:43.119 with people or not, I'm very open to having a 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:47.480 discussion and hearing their side. I would think that now 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:54.639 I've heard both sides. I think that's helpful to any leader. Okay, well, 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.200 maybe Senator Payman, you should just not speak to issues 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.000 that you know absolutely nothing about. And of course it 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.800 was very embarrassing for one New South Wales Minister for 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:11.040 Women who also participated in this shindig, Jerdy. 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.920 Harrison did a recorded. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.679 Address in which she talked about you know, the importance 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:21.560 of being understanding, etc. And so on, But given what 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.600 other panelists had to say at this gathering, she is 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:29.239 now very much regretting her participation. She now says, I 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.680 have heard the concerns raised and sincerely apologize for my 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.960 participation in this event, for the message it's sent, which 0:21:36.000 --> 0:21:39.000 is incongruent with the view of myself and of the 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.199 New South Wales government and the distress I know it 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.640