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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the

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Speaker 2: Muscle Commons, and in this episode I speak with Spencer Connley,

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Speaker 2: who went from childhood trauma. It's a Hollywood actor.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I remember getting into the car and then my

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Speaker 3: biological father who set the car alight near the near

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Speaker 3: the boot of the car because in the boot of

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Speaker 3: the car were gas cylinders. Capaw, the cylinders blew up,

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Speaker 3: car blew up. We spent Christmas in hospital that was basically.

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Speaker 1: Our new home.

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Speaker 3: There have been times in the past where yeah, just

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Speaker 3: someone said something and it's an intern happened to actually like,

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Speaker 3: look this week, quost, I hope you dine a fire

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Speaker 3: like Spencer should have. Just imagine a fourteen year old's

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Speaker 3: mind as he's getting escort out of the car to

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Speaker 3: then be escorted to a makeup then to then be

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Speaker 3: escorted back to my trailer, to then be escorted to

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Speaker 3: my car to then be escorted to set, to then

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Speaker 3: be escorted to my tent to then be escorted on set.

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Speaker 3: So the es got to lunch. It was flipping wild.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into everything about your life and everything

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Speaker 2: that's happened, just tell me because there must have been.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because you're five years old, so that

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Speaker 2: it's pretty intense to remember. I can remember up towards

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Speaker 2: like three years old. But just tell me some of

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Speaker 2: the good times that you remember before all the things happened,

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Speaker 2: and even schooling you and your brother, and then we'll

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Speaker 2: slowly get into everything else if you want. You know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm currently seventeen. I don't really remember much

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Speaker 3: past the age of five before. I guess naturally people don't.

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Speaker 3: But I also think that understanding what happened to me,

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Speaker 3: that's probably blocked in a little bit, blocked everything past.

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Speaker 1: But like before that, everything else.

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Speaker 2: Can you remember any of that, like months before? Then

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Speaker 2: they get the good times before that with you and

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Speaker 2: your brother? Or is it still vague because of the

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Speaker 2: yeah that happened to here?

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Speaker 1: I think because of what happened to me, it's just

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Speaker 1: all they wiped.

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Speaker 3: My whole memory of before the suffering burns is just

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Speaker 2: How is your brother?

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Speaker 3: He's really good. He's twenty one now. He stuffer burns

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Speaker 3: when he was eight, so he's got a full time

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Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. Is he in sassy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he'sn't tazzy. He still loves at home.

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Speaker 2: But you're the only movie stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: On the I'm the one who does most of the

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Speaker 3: cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: Can you can you remember that day on the fifth

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Speaker 2: picked up from daycare?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So I tell everybody that what I can basically remember

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Speaker 3: it's crazy how the brain does is there's just certain

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I can remember certain stuff happening, but then you

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Speaker 1: During the day.

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Speaker 3: Nothing nothing, Yeah, the brain protects you or blocks it out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah all right, So tell me what you can remember

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Speaker 2: from that day on the fifth of December.

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Speaker 3: I remember we drove home and we got told will

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Speaker 1: Our favorite stuff. Animals are in the car.

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Speaker 3: We got loured in with lollies, and this is one

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Speaker 3: of the memories that I do remember. I didn't want

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Speaker 3: didn't want to go. But then obviously with that luring

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Speaker 2: At the time, was your mom and dad separated?

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Speaker 3: I believe they were on the way, on the way, okay, Yes,

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Speaker 3: I remember getting into the car. My brother obviously was

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Speaker 1: There are the things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there are a few of those in the

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Speaker 3: the cylinders blew up, car blew up. My brother and

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Speaker 3: I were very lucky to escape. We are jump quickly

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Speaker 2: So you actually did jump out of the car.

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Speaker 3: You actually did, Yes, I believe so from my memory.

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Speaker 3: Obviously at that point in time, myself, my brother, and

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Speaker 1: So just from my memory, that's all.

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Speaker 3: Like, that's all I can really say is that that's

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Speaker 3: what I believe is what happened.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did he say anything to you like, like, can

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Speaker 2: you remember parking anywhere? Did it look strange that he

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Speaker 3: So when we got picked up and we got taken,

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Speaker 3: the whole incident happened in our backyard. Oh okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so it all happened in our backyard. To this day,

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Speaker 3: I've gone like in front of the house, but again,

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Speaker 3: like it just brings up bad vibes. I don't usually

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Speaker 3: just you know, certain scenes from what happened when it happened.

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Speaker 3: Nothing before, nothing, nothing straight after.

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Speaker 2: Did he give any signs away that he was gonna

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Speaker 3: I don't think so, but I wouldn't really know. I

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Speaker 2: Did you have a good relationship with him or do

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Speaker 3: Did, I've got no idea. And that's why people have

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Speaker 3: said to me, do you do you still love him more?

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Speaker 1: Do you think you ever forgive him?

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Speaker 3: And the fact is no, it's I mean, obviously I

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Speaker 1: But I have basically zero memory of him at all.

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Speaker 3: He's basically been wiped out of my mind completely, And

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Speaker 3: I think that's obviously an amazing thing.

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Speaker 2: Is that Is that the same for your brother too, Fletch?

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Speaker 2: Is that is that the same for him?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the intense of the flames and then

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Speaker 2: the explosion? Can you remember? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It is the important part.

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Speaker 3: And funny part is that that day and my memory,

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Speaker 3: I remember parts of it of like when it like

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, so you can't even remember how it hurt

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Speaker 3: The one of my memories is sitting up after I

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Speaker 1: There's no fire in my memory. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember anything about going to the hospital after it?

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Speaker 3: I remember going up so running up to my gate

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Speaker 1: It jogs you out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ketamine which is used for horses, so we got

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Speaker 3: drugs we got drugged with that could Yeah, it basically

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Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, yeah, so that's why the pain. You can't

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's it. Yeah, And small memories of the early.

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Speaker 3: Stages of the hospital, like I remember being in a

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Speaker 1: Guess doing stuff for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but traveling to the hospital, like from the obviously

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Speaker 3: I remember getting flown to Obart. Yeah, that's what I remember.

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Speaker 3: I remember being in a stretcher on a plane. Anything

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Speaker 2: Was your mom with you at this time at this point?

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Speaker 3: Yes, my mom met at the first hospital and then

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Speaker 2: Wow, so is it like how like I know, like

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Speaker 2: what happens and he's been put in jail for this? Now,

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Speaker 2: well what's your mom's thoughts on this? Now? Well, like,

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Speaker 2: what's what's her thoughts on it?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: There, we've we've all moved on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So we're just living our life, and you know, we

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Speaker 3: always we always see the positive in you know these

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And I was also for my brother Fletcher.

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Speaker 2: So how long were you in hospital?

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Speaker 1: For five and a half months, so almost half a year.

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Speaker 2: Was the same with your brother too, he was a

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Speaker 2: little bit less.

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Speaker 3: But it's still in the hospital for a long time.

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Speaker 3: We spent Christmas in hospital, We spent my brother's birthday,

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Speaker 3: we spent I spent Easter.

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Speaker 1: That was basically our new home. It has to be.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're in there for half a year, it

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Speaker 1: becomes your home.

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Speaker 2: Can you remember all that your time in the in

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Speaker 2: the spool for that five months, How it felt like

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Speaker 2: we are lonely? It must have been lonely time.

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Speaker 3: No, No, my mum was with me for basically all

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Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, I remember small parts of it. I

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Speaker 1: But other than that, you're kind of in your own mind.

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Speaker 3: It at least gives in a way your view or

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Speaker 3: And the fact that someone's thought that the sentence was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if he does get out and he did reach

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Speaker 2: How can you forgive somebody when someone has done blindly

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Speaker 2: It's not correct. I'm with you for that.

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Speaker 2: What about is what about his family side? If they

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Speaker 3: They haven't for like a long time, but they have tried,

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Speaker 3: So he's he now looks every day to himself in

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Speaker 2: What age were you when you fill me in, because

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Speaker 1: You gotta be careful what you say.

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Speaker 2: So is your brother coked? All right? With that? Kind

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Speaker 2: I've just asked you, Is he strong like you?

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Speaker 3: I would I'm the strongest survivor out of the both

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Speaker 3: he might Well, he's not as much anymore. But was

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So throughout his life he had to basically teach himself

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Speaker 2: Wow. So has it ever stopped you from doing anything?

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Speaker 2: Have you stopped through your teens or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: It's never stopped you. You've always been strong enough to

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Speaker 3: I now speak in front of audiences, inspiring them with

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Speaker 2: When you were down, though, would you go to your

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Speaker 2: brother or would you go to your mom or would

444
00:22:19,801 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 2: you deal with it yourself?

445
00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? I would mostly deal with it myself.

446
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 3: Like when that horrible comment was said about me earlier,

447
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 3: I didn't go to my mom straight away. I was

448
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,041
Speaker 3: actually at school at the time, so I went straight

449
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,721
Speaker 3: to one of the teachers there about it. I mainly,

450
00:22:39,201 --> 00:22:45,121
Speaker 3: you know, fix problems or issues by myself, unless it's

451
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: that series that I then have to, for example, go

452
00:22:47,281 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 3: to my mum. Yeah, because obviously she supported me throughout it,

453
00:22:51,281 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: all throughout all these thirteen years and the years to come.

454
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,921
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, if my brother and I we both

455
00:22:57,921 --> 00:23:00,401
Speaker 3: have each other's backs, we both know each other's gone through.

456
00:23:00,561 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: We've gone through the exact same story.

457
00:23:03,241 --> 00:23:05,641
Speaker 3: Again, we've both had different better if it's from it,

458
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,521
Speaker 3: But yeah, we're both We're worth in the same boat.

459
00:23:09,201 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: So how did how did you get? As the movies

460
00:23:11,281 --> 00:23:11,841
Speaker 2: did that and.

461
00:23:11,801 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: The movie is Furiosa and Mad mac Saga.

462
00:23:15,801 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 3: I was lucky enough to some of the faum with

463
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:24,801
Speaker 3: an organization called the Kids Foundation, and they host nonprofit

464
00:23:24,921 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 3: camps where at the time of when I joined, it

465
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 3: was burn survivors only. So would fly to the mainland,

466
00:23:31,321 --> 00:23:34,321
Speaker 3: would stop on a location and we would you know,

467
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,281
Speaker 3: stay there for a few days and just do a

468
00:23:36,281 --> 00:23:38,641
Speaker 3: bunch of fun activities and connect so that I could

469
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,081
Speaker 3: connect with people who.

470
00:23:39,921 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: Are in the same boat as me.

471
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Speaker 3: They're maybe having struggles in life, maybe with burns and scars.

472
00:23:45,681 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 3: And I happened to be on a camp in April

473
00:23:49,201 --> 00:23:53,761
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty two, now that is almost three years ago.

474
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.

475
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 3: Doing an activity during the day and when one of

476
00:23:58,921 --> 00:24:02,161
Speaker 3: my friends saw a post on Facebook they needed burn

477
00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: survivors to be extras on Furi mad Max Saga. I

478
00:24:06,001 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: was like, well, this is what I want to do.

479
00:24:07,521 --> 00:24:12,801
Speaker 3: This is my dream. So they called up and sadly

480
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,441
Speaker 3: all the roles were filled.

481
00:24:14,481 --> 00:24:15,041
Speaker 1: I was too late.

482
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,921
Speaker 3: So then what happened is I went throughout my day,

483
00:24:18,561 --> 00:24:21,041
Speaker 3: I went throughout my weeks, I went through my months right,

484
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:25,761
Speaker 3: nothing else happened. Then came July. The CEO of the

485
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 3: Kids Foundation was staying at a health retreat and she

486
00:24:29,761 --> 00:24:33,321
Speaker 3: was staying in a room with another lady Now the

487
00:24:33,441 --> 00:24:35,041
Speaker 3: CEO is also an author.

488
00:24:35,321 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: She writes books.

489
00:24:36,681 --> 00:24:39,081
Speaker 3: This lady wanted to read the book. So she read

490
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: the book and she read Mine and my brother story,

491
00:24:43,041 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 3: and she asked about us, and then they were just

492
00:24:45,201 --> 00:24:48,161
Speaker 3: talking about me and my brother, and then she brought

493
00:24:48,241 --> 00:24:50,801
Speaker 3: up how I wanted to be in this blockbuster movie

494
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,561
Speaker 3: named Mad Max Furiosa. So the next day a man

495
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: happened to walk by and she tapped. He tapped the

496
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Speaker 3: CEO Sheldon. He said, I need to talk to you.

497
00:25:01,921 --> 00:25:04,281
Speaker 3: My lands being used for that film. I want to

498
00:25:04,321 --> 00:25:06,921
Speaker 3: give my roll up, my extra roll off for this kid.

499
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,041
Speaker 3: So then the sea you got the CEO. I was obviously,

500
00:25:11,281 --> 00:25:12,921
Speaker 3: you know, we don't want to do that. That's your role.

501
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 3: We don't want to take that from you. Give us

502
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,321
Speaker 3: the directors and like the management's number, we'll call up

503
00:25:19,681 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: and we'll make inquiries. I was meant to only get

504
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 3: a tour of the set. Yeah, but then the director

505
00:25:26,681 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: offered me an audition for an extra role. Audition for

506
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: the extra role. Wasn't good enough for an extras role

507
00:25:32,521 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 3: I need, I needed the casting role. I wasn't good

508
00:25:36,321 --> 00:25:39,001
Speaker 3: enough for an extra role, said that I needed to

509
00:25:39,001 --> 00:25:45,041
Speaker 3: speaking part. They said, yeah, so contracts went out. I

510
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,361
Speaker 3: did the audition. Contracts went out. I signed a bunch

511
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,961
Speaker 3: of contracts. One of the one of the really cool

512
00:25:49,961 --> 00:25:52,721
Speaker 3: things is is that I was reading the contract.

513
00:25:52,681 --> 00:25:55,641
Speaker 1: Have you seen have you seen the movie? Yeah?

514
00:25:55,721 --> 00:25:59,561
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's treadmill rats, which are basically really dirty people,

515
00:25:59,961 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: long hair, and they're just really they're really muddy, and

516
00:26:04,001 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 3: they're really just my hygienic or I could have been

517
00:26:08,521 --> 00:26:11,961
Speaker 3: the second thing, a war boy who shaves his head

518
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: and gets covered in white clay. So I said, I'm

519
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,001
Speaker 3: doing I'm doing it. I said I'm going to be

520
00:26:17,001 --> 00:26:18,561
Speaker 3: a war boy. And I said, all right, we're going

521
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: to shave your head. I said, let's do it. Let's

522
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 3: just shave all my hair off. Three consecutive months, I

523
00:26:26,481 --> 00:26:29,481
Speaker 3: shaved my head off. All my hair was gone. I

524
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,761
Speaker 3: got flown up. All flights are paid for. I got

525
00:26:33,801 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: put in a five star hotel. All the combination was

526
00:26:36,481 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: paid for. I got Chris Hemsworth's driver. I got my

527
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,041
Speaker 3: own trailer to sit in, with a shower, a bathroom,

528
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,761
Speaker 3: a bed, not a bed, couch, a couch at a TV.

529
00:26:47,281 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: I was sadly not on base early enough, so I

530
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:56,921
Speaker 3: didn't get to breakfast, but the breakfast sounded phenomenal, doughnuts, bagels,

531
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 3: anything you could dream of.

532
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,321
Speaker 1: Basically I was.

533
00:27:01,441 --> 00:27:05,521
Speaker 3: I was obviously fourteen at the time when filming seventeen

534
00:27:05,561 --> 00:27:09,041
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, so it takes a lot of time to

535
00:27:09,041 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: make a movie. So I wasn't allowed to have the

536
00:27:14,521 --> 00:27:18,201
Speaker 3: certain rules for working, for example, people over the age

537
00:27:18,201 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: of fifteen, which is quite funny because obviously anybody would

538
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: dream become an actor. And it's funny the fact that

539
00:27:24,721 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 3: if you were doing any other job, you'd want those

540
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: raw requirements to you know, not be for you, because

541
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: then you wouldn't have to get episode as early, you

542
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 3: wouldn't work as many hours, but you'd still make as

543
00:27:36,681 --> 00:27:39,121
Speaker 3: good as money as anybody else. But when it comes

544
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: to be an actor, that's anybodyho's dam job, anyone's if

545
00:27:42,441 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: someone if anything came to someone and they said, you know,

546
00:27:46,281 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 3: doing a banness film, right, you're gonna say yes.

547
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,321
Speaker 1: Anybody would do it, right.

548
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 3: So maybe in fourteen I didn't have to wake up

549
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,161
Speaker 3: at two thirty in the morning.

550
00:27:56,201 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: I had to wake up at four thirty. It was

551
00:27:57,441 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: a looking with me.

552
00:27:58,321 --> 00:28:02,001
Speaker 3: That's fine, it's fine up at four thirty, have a

553
00:28:02,041 --> 00:28:07,961
Speaker 3: quick shower. I wasn't allowed to wash my hair for

554
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,001
Speaker 3: I think it was three months. Why is that Because

555
00:28:12,441 --> 00:28:14,961
Speaker 3: when you wash your hair, I think with the makeup,

556
00:28:15,001 --> 00:28:18,641
Speaker 3: it just like it's like not as good. Yeah, so

557
00:28:19,001 --> 00:28:21,801
Speaker 3: I didn't washed my hair for three months, which is

558
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 3: horrible because you'd want to wash your hair. Yes, I

559
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: haven't watched my hair for a while. Shagged it all off,

560
00:28:28,721 --> 00:28:31,881
Speaker 3: so I got to wear a really cool costume. Makeup

561
00:28:31,921 --> 00:28:35,321
Speaker 3: took an hour and forty five minutes. I think, Wow,

562
00:28:35,321 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: an hour forty five minutes. Yeah, it's forever.

563
00:28:38,481 --> 00:28:39,441
Speaker 2: And then you do it again.

564
00:28:40,201 --> 00:28:42,881
Speaker 3: Oh in a heartbeat, mate, and a heartbeat. One of

565
00:28:42,881 --> 00:28:47,481
Speaker 3: the best experiences anybody could experience. Your atmosphere is just fabulous.

566
00:28:47,481 --> 00:28:51,761
Speaker 3: Imagine waking up at four point thirty and getting to

567
00:28:52,321 --> 00:28:55,641
Speaker 3: what was called set base or something. You get out

568
00:28:55,641 --> 00:28:58,881
Speaker 3: of the car that someone's escorting you in. Then you've

569
00:28:58,881 --> 00:29:02,801
Speaker 3: got the person who then escorts you to your trailer.

570
00:29:03,241 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: It's it's five o'clock in the morning, it's pitch black,

571
00:29:06,881 --> 00:29:09,681
Speaker 3: and here you are as an important person in life.

572
00:29:09,761 --> 00:29:12,121
Speaker 3: You're you sit there, you feel important and at the

573
00:29:12,161 --> 00:29:15,361
Speaker 3: age of fourteen, Just imagine a fourteen year old's mind

574
00:29:15,761 --> 00:29:18,321
Speaker 3: as He's getting escorted out of a car to then

575
00:29:18,361 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: be escorted to a trailer to then be escorted to

576
00:29:22,841 --> 00:29:25,841
Speaker 3: a makeup van to then be escorted back to my trailer,

577
00:29:26,161 --> 00:29:29,401
Speaker 3: then be escorted to my car to then be escorted

578
00:29:29,401 --> 00:29:31,801
Speaker 3: to set, to then be escorted to my tent to

579
00:29:31,841 --> 00:29:34,121
Speaker 3: then be escorded on set, to then be escorted to

580
00:29:34,201 --> 00:29:43,121
Speaker 3: lunch bang. To imagine that escorted everywhere everywhere. Yeah, certain

581
00:29:43,161 --> 00:29:46,481
Speaker 3: events that I went to for Furiosa, there were bodyguards

582
00:29:46,841 --> 00:29:47,321
Speaker 3: we could have.

583
00:29:48,921 --> 00:29:49,841
Speaker 1: We had bodyguards.

584
00:29:50,521 --> 00:29:54,281
Speaker 3: We had an after party for Furiosa, and I remember

585
00:29:55,041 --> 00:29:58,321
Speaker 3: leaving at around it would have been ten thirty. Because

586
00:29:58,321 --> 00:30:02,321
Speaker 3: there were certain rules. I snuck through those rules for

587
00:30:02,321 --> 00:30:05,521
Speaker 3: a little bit. I stay. I stayed longer than I

588
00:30:05,521 --> 00:30:11,041
Speaker 3: should have. I was ducking and avoiding staff members, which

589
00:30:11,081 --> 00:30:12,521
Speaker 3: was so fun at the age. I was fifteen at

590
00:30:12,521 --> 00:30:16,921
Speaker 3: the time, so still obviously under eighteen. And I remember

591
00:30:17,041 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: leaving to jump in an uber and bodyguards like yourself

592
00:30:23,001 --> 00:30:25,681
Speaker 3: followed me doing this sort of thing where they're talking.

593
00:30:27,241 --> 00:30:28,841
Speaker 1: I get I'm about to get in the uber.

594
00:30:28,881 --> 00:30:31,761
Speaker 3: I look up. There's a bodyguard on the balcony watching out.

595
00:30:31,921 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: There's a bodyguard next to me, and there's a bodyguard

596
00:30:35,081 --> 00:30:38,321
Speaker 3: at a little bit further distance watching me doing the

597
00:30:38,321 --> 00:30:40,121
Speaker 3: stuff with their hands and they do this so they're.

598
00:30:39,921 --> 00:30:45,241
Speaker 1: Listening and it was flipping wild. It was so cool.

599
00:30:45,361 --> 00:30:47,561
Speaker 2: So is there anything coming up in the future for

600
00:30:47,801 --> 00:30:50,561
Speaker 2: movies or anything like that, and or you don't know.

601
00:30:50,801 --> 00:30:53,681
Speaker 3: You can't tell me if there was, I couldn't tell

602
00:30:53,721 --> 00:30:56,361
Speaker 3: you the sadly not. I'm right now focusing the school.

603
00:30:56,401 --> 00:30:58,561
Speaker 3: It's I got one more year left and then I'm

604
00:30:58,601 --> 00:31:01,681
Speaker 3: hopefully going to UNI YEP to get a bachelor degree

605
00:31:01,721 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: of performing Arts. I was very lucky to get this

606
00:31:03,521 --> 00:31:05,281
Speaker 3: role that I had. I didn't have an a at

607
00:31:05,321 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: the time, but I didn't have a bachelor to go

608
00:31:06,561 --> 00:31:10,401
Speaker 3: performing arts. I was just the luckiest person on earth completely.

609
00:31:11,121 --> 00:31:14,961
Speaker 3: Uh And yeah, nothing in the future. I do have

610
00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:18,081
Speaker 3: some stuff coming out on Instagram in the next coming months,

611
00:31:18,321 --> 00:31:21,841
Speaker 3: some important stuff and some really cool stuff, but nothing

612
00:31:22,321 --> 00:31:25,361
Speaker 3: along lines of like movies. I have auditioned for stuff.

613
00:31:25,961 --> 00:31:30,041
Speaker 3: I auditioned for The Boys Follows Universe just on Netflix.

614
00:31:30,081 --> 00:31:32,361
Speaker 3: I did audition for a role. Did not get that

615
00:31:33,681 --> 00:31:35,681
Speaker 3: I was thinking at the time when I was filming Peerio,

616
00:31:35,761 --> 00:31:37,481
Speaker 3: So I was going to audition for the Planet of the.

617
00:31:37,441 --> 00:31:40,881
Speaker 1: Apes, Rise of kings I never did.

618
00:31:41,481 --> 00:31:44,441
Speaker 3: I still have, for example, lots of friends throughout all

619
00:31:44,481 --> 00:31:48,281
Speaker 3: this industry. I'm friends with people. I'm friends with a

620
00:31:48,361 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: guy that's been in parts of the Caribbean, Star Trek,

621
00:31:52,001 --> 00:31:55,801
Speaker 3: Star Wars. I with a friend who his name is

622
00:31:55,841 --> 00:31:59,681
Speaker 3: c J. He's got a movie coming out this year

623
00:32:00,601 --> 00:32:04,361
Speaker 3: they played. He plays Baraka, which he's a really cool character. Yeah,

624
00:32:04,401 --> 00:32:08,481
Speaker 3: I've made lots of from this this Furious from Amic Saga,

625
00:32:08,521 --> 00:32:12,201
Speaker 3: and yeah, I've been super inspired by all these people

626
00:32:12,201 --> 00:32:16,761
Speaker 3: that I've met over the years. And yeah, just filming

627
00:32:17,281 --> 00:32:19,961
Speaker 3: Furious that was just wild, you know, being on those

628
00:32:19,961 --> 00:32:23,801
Speaker 3: cool sets where everything's fake but it looks real. And

629
00:32:24,201 --> 00:32:25,401
Speaker 3: one of the cool things that I got to do

630
00:32:25,441 --> 00:32:28,361
Speaker 3: before filming was travel through all the sets that they

631
00:32:28,401 --> 00:32:30,961
Speaker 3: were using, So I got to walk through There was

632
00:32:31,001 --> 00:32:34,841
Speaker 3: a scene where all the wives were in kind of

633
00:32:34,881 --> 00:32:38,561
Speaker 3: like a vault safe and they walk in. I've got

634
00:32:38,601 --> 00:32:41,721
Speaker 3: to walk through that. And then some of the titles

635
00:32:41,721 --> 00:32:44,481
Speaker 3: that are used in the Citadel I got to walk through,

636
00:32:44,521 --> 00:32:46,921
Speaker 3: which were pretty cool. So yeah, just being able to

637
00:32:47,161 --> 00:32:49,801
Speaker 3: be at the age of fourteen and doing this amazing

638
00:32:49,841 --> 00:32:50,921
Speaker 3: experience was astounding.

639
00:32:51,681 --> 00:32:53,481
Speaker 2: That sounds like, So it sounds like that's the path

640
00:32:53,521 --> 00:32:54,881
Speaker 2: you want to go down? Was it right?

641
00:32:55,001 --> 00:32:55,721
Speaker 1: One hundred percent?

642
00:32:55,881 --> 00:32:58,241
Speaker 3: That's like a dream because I wanted to be able

643
00:32:58,241 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 3: to work a job where I can enjoy it, not

644
00:33:01,801 --> 00:33:04,881
Speaker 3: where I'm having to go wake up really early do

645
00:33:04,921 --> 00:33:09,241
Speaker 3: it job that don't enjoy and getting a bad pay.

646
00:33:09,241 --> 00:33:11,081
Speaker 3: For example, I want about to do a job that

647
00:33:11,081 --> 00:33:13,241
Speaker 3: gives me a good pay. I don't care about waking

648
00:33:13,321 --> 00:33:15,321
Speaker 3: up early, right, I'll wake up early because I like

649
00:33:15,361 --> 00:33:17,841
Speaker 3: the job. And you know, just be able to meet

650
00:33:18,041 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: because with acting you meet so many cool people. You

651
00:33:20,481 --> 00:33:23,641
Speaker 3: meet people that can lead you on through life or

652
00:33:24,081 --> 00:33:27,081
Speaker 3: that you actually could become friends with. And there's definitely

653
00:33:27,121 --> 00:33:30,321
Speaker 3: a dream job that are I really hope I can pursue.

654
00:33:30,801 --> 00:33:34,081
Speaker 2: What would you describe yourself in one word or two words?

655
00:33:34,081 --> 00:33:34,801
Speaker 2: I'll give you two words.

656
00:33:34,841 --> 00:33:37,241
Speaker 1: If you say, okay, what would you describe yourself?

657
00:33:37,961 --> 00:33:42,401
Speaker 3: I guess just a inspiring survivor. I'll give me three

658
00:33:42,401 --> 00:33:47,841
Speaker 3: words like strong survivors, inspiring. My dopamine is going around

659
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Speaker 3: and telling people my story. That's that's how That's what

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Speaker 3: keeps me happy. I go around so many different places,

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Speaker 3: whether it be the mainland or entagzy, inspiring people, telling

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Speaker 3: people my story, which then gives them a smile on

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Speaker 3: their face. Not because they do care about the bad

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Speaker 3: stuff that's happened to me, but they're more interested to

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Speaker 3: hear in the outcomes that have having to me throughout

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Speaker 3: life and the amazing things that have happened. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's definitely my dad manage. Definitely going around and inspiring people,

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Speaker 3: whether it be people my age, people are a little

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Speaker 3: bit older than me, or the elderly.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a big passionate mine.

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Speaker 2: You well, you know what, I cannot wait to see

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Speaker 2: you face to face. I'm hoping that it comes in

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Speaker 2: the next couple of months because I'll be in Melbourne

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Speaker 2: and i'll be there in May, so hopefully you know,

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Speaker 2: fingers crossed. I don't know what you're up to in May.

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Speaker 1: And definitely are I'll definitely, you know.

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Speaker 2: We'll just have to, I don't know, catch up somewhere.

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Speaker 2: But if I've got any events that now I know

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Speaker 2: what you really like, and if there's any events that

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking after or involved with, then I'll

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Speaker 2: reach out to you to see if you are Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I now know what you really like, and if

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Speaker 2: I've got any contacts, I will send them your direction.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. But you know what, I'm

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Speaker 2: glad you came on tonight. I'm glad that I have

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Speaker 2: now talked to you, kind of met you through a zoom.

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Speaker 2: But my, my goal now is to meet you face

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Speaker 2: to face now, and I'd like to sit down with you,

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Speaker 2: even if we can't have an interview. We can't, you

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Speaker 2: know whatever. I'd like to spend a day and we'll

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Speaker 2: do something, We'll chill out something

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Speaker 1: One hundred perh