Speaker 1: Peter Kranland live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 2: Don't you dare drop that National Cabinet, Chris Kenny, I
Speaker 2: love it every Thursday. Good evening, everyone, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredline. The latest on
Speaker 2: doctor g Hard, the huge revelations today that'll make your
Speaker 2: blood boil.
Speaker 3: I'll update is shortly.
Speaker 2: We'll also speak to the journalists and brilliant journalists who
Speaker 2: broke the story live on the program a little later.
Speaker 2: Growing speculation too today that factional support for jacent to
Speaker 2: Allan's crumbling. I'm told this afternoon that meetings are being
Speaker 2: held in the margins of the ALP National Conference in Adelaide.
Speaker 2: State Parliament's back next week, so will she be rolled
Speaker 2: plas Bowen's battery blowout expected to cost taxpayers over eight
Speaker 2: billion dollars. Worse still, the majority of these billions are
Speaker 2: being paid to foreign battery manufacturers. That's coming out and
Speaker 2: all the action out of day one of the a
Speaker 2: LP conference. The elephant in the room for labor even
Speaker 2: is clearly one nation.
Speaker 4: Even the very first labor government was not a monoculture.
Speaker 2: We'll cross live to Adelaid for the latest therapy. First
Speaker 2: labor has been exposed. The secrecy and the duplicity of
Speaker 2: the Albanesi government and the weakness in the face of
Speaker 2: radical Islam now laid bare for all to see. Just
Speaker 2: last night I had this to say, and revelations that
Speaker 2: Perth born isis. Doctor Tarek Kamler was not dead as
Speaker 2: previously thought, but alive and behind bars in an Iraqi prison.
Speaker 2: And he is just one of a group of thirteen
Speaker 2: Australians so tells us the Iraqi officials being investigated by
Speaker 2: them over allegations that they were terrorists for Islamic State. Today,
Speaker 2: as we know, it's the women and the children here.
Speaker 2: Soon it'll be the men, mark my words. Is Australia
Speaker 2: involved here?
Speaker 3: Is our government or our officials any part of this?
Speaker 3: Are they across it? Are they being briefed? Again?
Speaker 2: No comment from Home Affairs. But knowing what I do
Speaker 2: about how Canberra works, not for one minute do I
Speaker 2: believe that Australian authorities are out of the loop on
Speaker 2: any of this. Not for one minute do I think
Speaker 2: that this front page of the newspaper today was a
Speaker 2: surprise to Tony Burke or his Home Affairs Department.
Speaker 3: I just don't buy that.
Speaker 2: I suspect that's precisely why Home Affairs refused.
Speaker 3: To make a comment comment. Well, I was right.
Speaker 2: Today we learn again via the Australian newspaper that not
Speaker 2: only does the Albanezi government know all about this doctor
Speaker 2: g Hard, but they've known about him for years, yes, years,
Speaker 2: and they've kept it a secret. Reports today that Penny
Speaker 2: Wong's Department of Foreign Affairs was briefed about Calmeless Survival
Speaker 2: four years ago, in twenty twenty two and again last
Speaker 2: year exposes just how compromised the Albanesi government is when
Speaker 2: it comes to the issue of isis returnees be they
Speaker 2: male or female. As a reporter Mohammed Alfarez and Paul
Speaker 2: Garvi have said today in the Australian and they got
Speaker 2: this from a defat source. Officials you about doctor g
Speaker 2: Hard from a tip off by US agents in Iraq,
Speaker 2: but quote decided to stay out of it and not
Speaker 2: get involved. Well they are involved. Deciding not to get involved.
Speaker 2: Is it a decision in itself because, as the Iraqi
Speaker 2: authorities said in their media statement yesterday, the potential repaired
Speaker 2: creation of Tarak Kamla back to Australia remains that I
Speaker 2: quote an open yet conditional pathway and so by leaving
Speaker 2: it to Baghdad to take the running on this bloke,
Speaker 2: this alleged terrorist, in all but guarantees he'll face little
Speaker 2: opposition returning to this country. And when asked, alber Easy
Speaker 2: will just claim his government's doing nothing to assist doctor
Speaker 2: g Hard's return, or that are the other twelve men
Speaker 2: that the Iraqi's report all want to come back to Australia.
Speaker 2: But deciding not to stop the return of this man
Speaker 2: is helping him. Not imposing exclusion order is helping him.
Speaker 2: Not stopping him at all in any way is absolutely
Speaker 2: getting involved. Now, Albert Easy, you are fooling no one here.
Speaker 2: Has doctor g Hard already lodged an application for a
Speaker 2: new passport? Well, I want to know that has he
Speaker 2: had a prison visit from any Australians, Muslim mats or
Speaker 2: government officials. Has his Perth based family had any contact
Speaker 2: with him? Is this where Tony Burke's political ally, doctor
Speaker 2: Jabal Riffi, is going to deploy his repatriation efforts next. Now,
Speaker 2: all of these questions deserve an answer. I can tell
Speaker 2: you from experience that if Defat has had a briefing
Speaker 2: on this individual. Other departments will have been briefed as well,
Speaker 2: absolutely Home Affairs and the Prime Minister's own department. Reports
Speaker 2: today say Acio is a cross it Well, I bet
Speaker 2: they are, and our International Intelligence arm the agency ASIS.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I would highly suspect. It's also
Speaker 2: been an issue discussed in the National Security Committee of Cabinet,
Speaker 2: the NSC and I bet they did it under the
Speaker 2: line as an underlying item to limit the paper trail
Speaker 2: because it is dynamite. And it's dynamite because Labour's political
Speaker 2: dependence on the Muslim vote in the key seats they hold,
Speaker 2: like Tony Burke's own seat of Watson, compromises them in
Speaker 2: every way. Burke holds his seat and the Albinezy government
Speaker 2: turns a blind eye to the return of his ice.
Speaker 2: As sympathizers, that's what they are at best, Active terrorists
Speaker 2: is what they are. With the worst of the claims
Speaker 2: are in fact true. Now, if you think I'm angry here,
Speaker 2: you bet I am. I know you are angry too.
Speaker 2: Not only are we being lied to, but as we
Speaker 2: have seen so clearly on the beach at Bondai, radicals
Speaker 2: in this country will cost Australian lives. Terrorism is real,
Speaker 2: sadly in this country now. It's not an abstract thing anymore.
Speaker 2: It's not just happening in other countries. It's real and
Speaker 2: it's here, and unless we move fast and rooted out,
Speaker 2: we will never be safe now right now, without any
Speaker 2: need for additional powers or new laws. Albertizy could act
Speaker 2: to keep these men out right now now, as outlined
Speaker 2: here on the show last night. That's exactly what he
Speaker 2: can and should do. And here's that expert we often
Speaker 2: talked to about counter terrorism, former Federal Police Superintendent Detective
Speaker 2: David Craig. Give us a sense right now of what
Speaker 2: he's got on his desk that he could use to
Speaker 2: keep this man out.
Speaker 1: Okay, well not even just this man, Peter, pardon me, Okay.
Speaker 1: The first thing the government needs to be doing is
Speaker 1: using these temporary exclusion orders. Now, I've seen Tony Burk
Speaker 1: say that there'll be a constitutional challenge, or that the
Speaker 1: High Court won't like it, or the fact is, no
Speaker 1: High court has actually tested the validity constitutional validity of
Speaker 1: temporary exclusion orders. So that's a nonsense. He's scared of
Speaker 1: something that doesn't actually exist. If this is going to
Speaker 1: push our laws to the High Court, then this is
Speaker 1: the case to do it on.
Speaker 2: And Gus Taylor, I really want to see you and
Speaker 2: the Opposition take this fight up to the Prime Minister.
Speaker 2: Now there's a whole lot of questions I've already outlined
Speaker 2: tonight you need to demand or answered and it can't
Speaker 2: be tolerated that departments, when asked to comment on issues
Speaker 2: like these just refuse. Yesterday Home Affairs were silent, the
Speaker 2: Minister Tony Burke, well he went to ground the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister too, and today Defat's gone missing. Now Foreign Affairs
Speaker 2: is literally hundreds of staff in its media team, Petty,
Speaker 2: while quite a few staff in her press.
Speaker 3: Team as well.
Speaker 2: And what no one, No one can tell us anything
Speaker 2: about this bloke. No one's willing to give the Australian
Speaker 2: vote the truth really.
Speaker 3: Answers.
Speaker 2: And I want alb and Easy pursued on this as well,
Speaker 2: because there may be a way right now to strip
Speaker 2: doctor g Hard of Australian citizenship and not even need
Speaker 2: to use an exclusion order. Now, if I remember rightly,
Speaker 2: you didn't have to take up the citizenship of another
Speaker 2: country to lose your Australian citizenship.
Speaker 3: You just had to have the ability to do it.
Speaker 2: Now, presumably in the case of the Dutch mother, at
Speaker 2: least he could avail himself of Dutch citizenship. Can we,
Speaker 2: under the current laws cancel his ability to return to
Speaker 2: Australia knowing that because of his mother, potentially his father,
Speaker 2: he will not be rendered stateless.
Speaker 1: Look, I think that's a real possibility.
Speaker 5: Better.
Speaker 1: I know the High Court has looked very carefully at
Speaker 1: removing citizenship as a punitive measure. But if there is
Speaker 1: an alternative place, alternative nation state where they can go,
Speaker 1: I think it might be looked on favorably.
Speaker 2: Okay this too, How is it the Labour's Attorney General,
Speaker 2: Michelle Roland, could sign off warrant to arrest war hero
Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith within hours and yet it took weeks
Speaker 2: weeks in relation to the ISIS connected women now charged
Speaker 2: with terrorism offenses and slavery.
Speaker 6: Just in terms of the consent to prosecute, how long
Speaker 6: did it take the Attorney General to side off on
Speaker 6: the ISIS bride's consent to prosecute?
Speaker 7: The CDPP wrote to the Department seeking the attorney's consent
Speaker 7: on the twentieth of November twenty twenty.
Speaker 6: Five, twentieth of November twenty twenty five, and the consent
Speaker 6: was provided on the fifteenth of December, so approximately just
Speaker 6: over three weeks compared to the one day with Ben
Speaker 6: Robert Smith. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: I mean, how can we as a country have spent
Speaker 2: three hundred million dollars investigating our our own soldiers who
Speaker 2: put their lives on the line to fight the terror's
Speaker 2: Taliban forty one of them who never came home alive,
Speaker 2: and be so weak here on these men and women
Speaker 2: who willingly left Australia to join Islamic state.
Speaker 1: How I just wish that they would put the same
Speaker 1: vigor and resources into stopping ISIS fighters returning to our
Speaker 1: country as they have in prosecuting some of our ex.
Speaker 3: Veterans one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I know you've got strong views of this as well.
Speaker 2: Enough is enough, As I said, the journal who broke
Speaker 2: this story will join me at the desk a little
Speaker 2: later on. Let's go to cambernow for the headlines. Skyny's
Speaker 2: political reporter Tunny Macintosh.
Speaker 8: Parliament has cleared out as the Labor Faithful gather in
Speaker 8: Adelaide for the party's national conference. After an early stumble
Speaker 8: on the escalator. The Prime Minister revealed plans to revive
Speaker 8: a new court to resolve workplace disputes.
Speaker 4: Good for workers, good for business, good for the country.
Speaker 8: He also took a swipe at one nation.
Speaker 4: All those trips around the world to talk Australa down,
Speaker 4: that none of them have anything new or anything positive
Speaker 4: to offer our.
Speaker 8: Country, seeking to steal the spotlight. The opposition leader was
Speaker 8: just down the road visiting Adelaide's central market.
Speaker 3: And I'm out and about talking to small business people.
Speaker 7: And the Labor Party is talking to itself.
Speaker 8: After an eventful week for One Nation, I think the
Speaker 8: party is now trying to capitalize selling Barnaby inspired dog leashes.
Speaker 8: The Foreign Minister skipped the start of proceedings. She's still
Speaker 8: in the Philippines for Asian talks. Condemning China's recent missile test.
Speaker 8: Pennywong also warned of the consequences if Iran or the
Speaker 8: US imposed a toll on the Strait of Hormuz.
Speaker 9: People suffer when astray is webized, and we all know
Speaker 9: that the cost of tolls on any tote point is
Speaker 9: not only solely economic.
Speaker 8: Back in Adelaide, Labour's National Secretary Paul Erickson had to
Speaker 8: reject China's demand to eject Taiwanese officials from attending. Trudy
Speaker 8: Macintosh Sky News Canbra.
Speaker 2: All right, as you heard, they're all eyes on the
Speaker 2: ALP national conference kicking off in Adelaide today. It will run,
Speaker 2: of course until Saturday. Joining me now, one of our
Speaker 2: men on the ground in Adelaide, Cam Reddin, Well, Cam.
Speaker 2: We saw those comments in the papers this morning from
Speaker 2: Wayne Swann warning that one Nation is Labour's biggest threat.
Speaker 2: That was clearly the focus too of the Prime Minister today.
Speaker 2: Now I found that quite extraordinary. He's playing to the
Speaker 2: hometown crowd, three hundred thousand, three thousand so delegates, Labor delegates,
Speaker 2: Union delegates in the room, and yet his focus is
Speaker 2: on one nation.
Speaker 9: Who would have ever thought we'd be in the situation
Speaker 9: three years ago, Peter let alone, twelve months ago, where
Speaker 9: all of the Labor faithful in the country have descended
Speaker 9: on Adelaide and all anybody's talking about is Pauline Hanson
Speaker 9: and one Nation. For so much of that address, the
Speaker 9: keynote address that the Prime Minister gave, and yes there
Speaker 9: were a couple of policy announcements in there, as well,
Speaker 9: nothing to knock it off the front page, but the
Speaker 9: focus on one nation he has seemed so deliberate, and Peter,
Speaker 9: many of us in this space have been wondering for
Speaker 9: a few months now just how real that one nation
Speaker 9: surge is. We all see the polls and we all
Speaker 9: hear the concerns about well, maybe it's just a bump
Speaker 9: in the road, maybe it's a temporary thing. They'll all
Speaker 9: fall apart. Well they haven't fallen apart yet, and clearly
Speaker 9: it's real enough for the Prime Minister to make it
Speaker 9: such a significant part of his speech and go in
Speaker 9: the attack for one Nation. I don't think a few
Speaker 9: months ago, Peter, any of us would have expected this
Speaker 9: sort of attention to be given to Pauline Hanson. But
Speaker 9: that's where we found ourselves today.
Speaker 10: It was such a.
Speaker 9: Focal point on what is supposed to be something that's
Speaker 9: all about the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: I'm going to speak to the journalist from the Australian
Speaker 2: who broke the story. Worry about doctor g Hard But
Speaker 2: we've got Tony Burke, Penny Wong, their department, the Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: his department, all hiding from scrutiny, and obviously the revelations
Speaker 2: today that Labor knew about this, They knew about this
Speaker 2: four years ago. He's, you know, like a rabbit in
Speaker 2: the headlights there. He can't run away from the conference.
Speaker 3: I hope you will.
Speaker 2: Andrew Clenell get to him and Burke and Wong over
Speaker 2: the weekend.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we've all brought our runners, so that have to
Speaker 9: run pretty fast for that.
Speaker 3: Peter.
Speaker 9: We're doing our best. I know if the PM is around,
Speaker 9: I'll do my best, but I know Andrew will get
Speaker 9: him if he can.
Speaker 2: You are a good man, Cam, I know you will,
Speaker 2: so we will stay across that for next week. Of course,
Speaker 2: joining me out for my panel. Skyne is contributed to
Speaker 2: CAROLEI Kats and Barnas and Shadow Defense Industry and Personnel Minister,
Speaker 2: a former veteran of course, Phil Thompson. Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2: I'll stay with the conference if I can. Phil overnight Worth,
Speaker 2: noting Linda Bernie told The Australian and I quote she said,
Speaker 2: I think it was a devastating outcome. This is a
Speaker 2: relation to the voice, but it gives us a base
Speaker 2: to work from. She said, now come on, that must
Speaker 2: mean that they're going to come back with another hit.
Speaker 2: To divide Australians by their skin color.
Speaker 10: I think that Linda Bernie and her comments are out
Speaker 10: of touch with what the Australian people voted on and
Speaker 10: what they wanted, and to say that we should be
Speaker 10: looking going down this path again. A I think it's
Speaker 10: a waste of tax payer money. But I also think
Speaker 10: that there are more important things that this Labor government
Speaker 10: should be focused on. You know, I've got an email
Speaker 10: just today in my elected office where a single mom
Speaker 10: was talking about at the end of the month, it's
Speaker 10: either going to be food on the table or school supplies.
Speaker 10: That people are doing it tough, and you know the
Speaker 10: virtual signaling and the culture wars that this Labor government
Speaker 10: are going through. Now, I think she's just out of step.
Speaker 10: Look at the comments around the Union movement and the
Speaker 10: Labor Party, and the lack of conviction from Minister Claire
Speaker 10: O'Neil around the want to change the Australian flag. I
Speaker 10: think this is ridiculous and they should be focused on
Speaker 10: what matters to all Australians, not just what matters to
Speaker 10: some small segment in the Labor caucus.
Speaker 2: I'll come to Caroline in a moment, but I've got
Speaker 2: to ask you. I've gone through the top of the
Speaker 2: show the detail about doctor g Hard and I know
Speaker 2: forty one veterans and never came home from Afghanistan, killed
Speaker 2: at the hand of the Taliban. We know that this
Speaker 2: doctor g Hart who's imprisoned in Iraq has known his existence,
Speaker 2: has been known to the government. Now four or four years.
Speaker 2: Everybody's gone to ground. No one's answering any questions. It's
Speaker 2: my hypothesis that the women came back and that was planned.
Speaker 2: That was the soft touch, and there was always this
Speaker 2: gender to get and get the men back.
Speaker 3: And this is the start.
Speaker 2: We'll start with the quote humanitarian doctor and away we go.
Speaker 2: What's your reaction to what we've learned over the last
Speaker 2: two days.
Speaker 10: He should not be allowed back to Australia. There are
Speaker 10: temper exclusion orders that are there. They were brought in
Speaker 10: place by the Coalition in twenty nineteen where someone can
Speaker 10: be refused entry. Australian citizen can be refused entry for
Speaker 10: two years, then reviewed for another two years, then reviewed
Speaker 10: again and again and again. I want to see that
Speaker 10: as the bare minimum.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting, Carole.
Speaker 2: Last night David Craig said there's already an arsenal of
Speaker 2: law at the government's disposal. They actually don't need new law,
Speaker 2: but if they do, feel saying, he and the Coalition
Speaker 2: would stand ready to assist. Alexander Downer made clear on
Speaker 2: Chris Kenny's show an hour ago that as Foreign Minister
Speaker 2: he regularly canceled passports. He did it with a lot
Speaker 2: of severity. Sure, but it can be done. It should
Speaker 2: be done, he said, that's what should happen here. Our
Speaker 2: labor's not serious. Labor want them to come home. Clearly,
Speaker 2: well they do.
Speaker 5: I mean you have to wonder which side is the
Speaker 5: Australian government actually on. I mean it's also horrific because
Speaker 5: at the moment Australia's borders seem to be being dictated
Speaker 5: by activists at the ALP conference. I mean, there's a
Speaker 5: thing that they want to allow illegal illegal arrivals if
Speaker 5: they're held in attention for more than ninety days to
Speaker 5: be let free. These are illegal arrivals. There are seventy
Speaker 5: thousand overstayers currently in Australia. And it also remind the
Speaker 5: viewers as well that the Administrative Appeals Tribunal was disbanded
Speaker 5: in a vanity project by the former Attorney General Mark
Speaker 5: Dreyfers to be the Administrative Review Tribunal. There are now
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty seven thousand active cases. The backlog
Speaker 5: is sixty one week's minimum. And can I just say
Speaker 5: it was a political hit job done by Drefers an
Speaker 5: alban easy removing some very competent tribunal members. And what
Speaker 5: a mess is Australia is in because this is a
Speaker 5: green light to people smugglers and it is undoing all
Speaker 5: the great work of the Abbott government and the Howard
Speaker 5: and Costello year's era as well.
Speaker 8: And this is not good.
Speaker 5: This is putting the lives and the safety of Australians
Speaker 5: at risk. This is dreadful. And the worry is we
Speaker 5: know that these so called wacky proposals at the ALP
Speaker 5: conference they'll be in a bottom drawer and years down
Speaker 5: the track they'll be brought up. We've seen what happened
Speaker 5: ten years ago. They've brought Bill Shorten's thing forward and
Speaker 5: it's dangerous and it just shouldn't happen.
Speaker 2: Let's leave that there, Caroly, I've got to get a
Speaker 2: comment from you. A lot of demonization about who Paul
Speaker 2: Enhansen meets with everything she does is disclosed unlike others.
Speaker 3: There was a lavish.
Speaker 2: Dinner this week reported in the newspapers, the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: sitting down with the very rich sign of a Chinese developer.
Speaker 2: This is in Point Piper and Dan Andrews and a
Speaker 2: whole lot of others are there and the talk is
Speaker 2: it was a million dollar donation that got them to
Speaker 2: turn up.
Speaker 3: Well, listen to this.
Speaker 2: Tony Burke can't answer questions about doctor g Hart.
Speaker 3: He's gone to ground.
Speaker 2: But if you've got one thousand dollars in your pocket,
Speaker 2: you can get over to Adelaide and see him front
Speaker 2: a band made up of him and others in the
Speaker 2: Labor Caucus. He's charging one thousand dollars for this pub
Speaker 2: gig on the sidelines of the conference.
Speaker 3: But you are kidding me.
Speaker 5: Well, I can tell you it's one thousand dollars for
Speaker 5: a taller swift ticket. But it is interesting.
Speaker 3: His band is known as.
Speaker 5: Left Right Out. And what I will say is Australians
Speaker 5: are being left right out of all the decisions that
Speaker 5: should be being made in their interest. Older Australians. They're
Speaker 5: left right out of aged care, people are left right
Speaker 5: out of the NDAs. We're left right out of energy.
Speaker 3: We're left right out of jobs, and it's.
Speaker 5: Absolutely disgusting that they can even think of doing it.
Speaker 5: We were also left right out when Tony Burke went
Speaker 5: to welcome the Palestinian refugees from Gaza. Secretly we didn't
Speaker 5: know anything about that unless the.
Speaker 11: Media exposed it.
Speaker 5: It's absolutely disgusting and he should hang his head in shape.
Speaker 12: Right.
Speaker 2: I leave it there, Thank you to both phil Again,
Speaker 2: please give your veterroom mates all our very best with
Speaker 2: thinking of them and as I said, keep up the fight.
Speaker 2: We'll leave it there, but just before we go, welcome
Speaker 2: back to my friends in Bendigo. Of course that is
Speaker 2: just into Allen's seat, the seat of Bendigo East hotly contested.
Speaker 2: Coming up to Novemba. You've not been able to see us,
Speaker 2: have you, because of that fire earlier in the year
Speaker 2: and damage to transmission towers. Please to say, everything back
Speaker 2: on track, so if you're watching us, make sure your
Speaker 2: neighbors and everybody else in town know that they can
Speaker 2: watch us free to air on digital television now right
Speaker 2: across Victoria, but in particular that area which means a
Speaker 2: lot to Victorians come November. All right, let's leave that
Speaker 2: there Barnaby's dog. I want to just mention this one
Speaker 2: before the break to all that outrage. Do you know
Speaker 2: the ABC is out there now questioning whether there was
Speaker 2: even a dog in the first place, as some sort
Speaker 2: of conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Have a listen.
Speaker 13: People want to know Hamish whether there really was a
Speaker 13: dog in that interview. I think, look, I think I
Speaker 13: heard a dog, and I think on the recording you
Speaker 13: can hear this very important. I hope people are paying attention.
Speaker 13: This is the masses of state hang on this. I
Speaker 13: think there really was a dog, but I liked the
Speaker 13: idea that maybe there wasn't.
Speaker 3: I mean, give me a break, Give me a break.
Speaker 2: Barnaby's wife, VICKI, well, she's got out there today. She's
Speaker 2: put a bit of proof of life of the beautiful
Speaker 2: dog Stella out there on social media. All right, after
Speaker 2: the break, we'll get into the whole story of doctor
Speaker 2: g Hard from the dogged reporter who has really exposed
Speaker 2: labor on this and talk they just to Alan will
Speaker 2: be dumped.
Speaker 3: Next week.
Speaker 2: I'll give you an update after the break. Welcome back,
Speaker 2: coming up. Fresh speculation to Alan, of course, has it
Speaker 2: won an election? She was installed as Premier Dan Andrews. Well,
Speaker 2: the talk is that you won't even get to the
Speaker 2: November election. She'll get rolled when Parliament returns next week,
Speaker 2: will she. We'll get to that in a moment. First,
Speaker 2: I'm going to return to the bombshell revelations that Tarak Kamla,
Speaker 2: doctor g Hard is confirmed as alive and behind bars
Speaker 2: in an Iraqi prison. Now, as I said last night,
Speaker 2: I didn't believe that Labor was in the dark on
Speaker 2: any of this below and behold news broke last night
Speaker 2: in The Australian that in fact Defat had been briefed
Speaker 2: about his survival first back in twenty twenty two and
Speaker 2: again this year.
Speaker 3: Joining me now, one of the reporters, Paul gave, I.
Speaker 2: Know who's assisted as well, but the bloke he broke
Speaker 2: it first, the Australians, Muhammad al Fararez. Well, I think
Speaker 2: it's the story of the year so far, and it
Speaker 2: keeps coming back. You know, more revelations today. I know
Speaker 2: your colleague in Perth has spoken to his family. Walk
Speaker 2: me through what the government.
Speaker 3: You and when.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me on your show tonight.
Speaker 7: So the government knows everything in my opinion, and what
Speaker 7: the Iraqi government told us the Australian is that the
Speaker 7: embassy in Baghdad is following his case and not just
Speaker 7: his case, the case of every Australian national in Iraq.
Speaker 7: So what that tells us is that the Embassy in
Speaker 7: Baghdad operates for the Australian government and what they also
Speaker 7: our sources have said that Defact was briefed on this
Speaker 7: back in twenty twenty two, and in twenty nineteen, obviously,
Speaker 7: as we reported, Kamla was captured. So they've also been
Speaker 7: briefed again in the past year. And this has come
Speaker 7: from you as officials who have been tracking Tarek Kamdler
Speaker 7: because he was married to an American woman.
Speaker 2: And let I'll just catch people up at home if
Speaker 2: they didn't listen last night. The speculation is that he's
Speaker 2: had four wives, perhaps even more, that there's a number
Speaker 2: of children, and I guess that's why we've got the
Speaker 2: American loop open there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: He's understood to have been married to four women, had
Speaker 7: a number of children. What happened to those children, no
Speaker 7: one really knows, but there are speculations that one of
Speaker 7: them was repatriated to France and the other two the
Speaker 7: United States. But those are unconfirmed reports at their stage.
Speaker 2: My experience of government, if you and your sources are
Speaker 2: saying that bag dads across it, If bag dads across it,
Speaker 2: they're not a line outfit. Camera will be across it.
Speaker 2: And if defacts across anything in Canberra or Penny Wong's
Speaker 2: office is also across it. And once the Foreign Minister
Speaker 2: is briefed, there's no doubt in my mind that this
Speaker 2: has been discussed in the NSC committee. Your sources, we
Speaker 2: know that there's another twelve individuals in this cohort that
Speaker 2: the iraqis and they have been far more forthcoming with
Speaker 2: information than Australia has. All up, there's about thirteen individuals,
Speaker 2: all men. Are they all behind bars?
Speaker 3: What do we know?
Speaker 7: Yeah, so they're all men. They're behind bars in Iraq,
Speaker 7: understood to be in Baghdad. And you know, like the
Speaker 7: Iraqi government in conjunction with the US right now are
Speaker 7: going through a filtering process where they look at combatants
Speaker 7: versus non combatants. And some of these non combatants have
Speaker 7: been freed already now o case.
Speaker 3: But when you say freed freed into.
Speaker 7: Freed from prison.
Speaker 2: Into Iraq or free to be extradited from Iraq.
Speaker 7: Free to be extradited from Iraq back to their home nation. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 7: so that's already taken place. But in the case of Tarek,
Speaker 7: whether he's going to be released in due time, we'll
Speaker 7: have to see. But the fact is that he's claiming
Speaker 7: to be a non combatant right now, even though you
Speaker 7: know it's been well reported that he's a medic doctor
Speaker 7: g had So how that plays out in the rocky
Speaker 7: judicial system will be very interesting to see. And you know,
Speaker 7: wage up what the punishment is going to be, whether
Speaker 7: it's ten years, whether it's a year. And there's always
Speaker 7: the chance that you know, he gets released, goes to
Speaker 7: the embassy, gets a passport, helps on the first plane
Speaker 7: back to Australia, where he would most definitely be arrested.
Speaker 7: But it's still a possibility.
Speaker 2: I know you said to me off camera that that
Speaker 2: his family is shadowed by all of this. Yeah, shamed
Speaker 2: and everything that would all hope and expect any Australia
Speaker 2: family would be.
Speaker 3: Has he been in contact with them? Do we know?
Speaker 7: We don't know if he's been in contact with the family.
Speaker 7: My colleague Paul Garvey had the opportunity to sit down
Speaker 7: with the father yesterday and he spoke about the hurt,
Speaker 7: the devastation that they went through because they raised the
Speaker 7: doctor and they were very proud of him. So for
Speaker 7: him to betray them and travel into the Caliphate with
Speaker 7: a blood thirsty, you know, terrorist organization was devastating for
Speaker 7: them and they're still very much suffering till this day
Speaker 7: because of that decision.
Speaker 2: I spoke to my colleagues through at the AOP conference
Speaker 2: and they're going to pursue the Prime Minister and Penny
Speaker 2: Wong and Tony Burke. I know you've tried really hard.
Speaker 2: They've all gone to ground, so have their departments, which
Speaker 2: I find extraordinary.
Speaker 3: But I hope you keep it up. This has been
Speaker 3: an extraordinary exclusive for you.
Speaker 7: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Thanks Maham. Tell what we're not going to let this rest.
Speaker 2: That's gone out of that speculation in Victoria that a
Speaker 2: whole lot of labor and peas are plotting to remove
Speaker 2: to center Allen that she won't even get to the
Speaker 2: election in November. The talk I've heard through people in
Speaker 2: Adelaide directly to me this afternoon is that powerbrokers the
Speaker 2: meeting in the margins of Labour's conference and that she's
Speaker 2: unlikely to survive next week when State Parliament returns. Part
Speaker 2: of the issue is and they haven't really agreed who
Speaker 2: will replace her. Victorian and political editor at The Australian,
Speaker 2: Anthony Galloway, though he might know, he joins me, Now
Speaker 2: you've reported today effectively, Anthony, that there was a rebellion
Speaker 2: at the recent caucus retreat because the Premier and the
Speaker 2: senior members of her team just refused to acknowledge just
Speaker 2: how much on the nose she is with voters.
Speaker 3: What more can you tell us?
Speaker 14: Yeah, it was this caucus retreat in Ballarat. I'm told
Speaker 14: the weather was freezing, but it was also frosty in
Speaker 14: terms of the relations between everyone. And that's really because
Speaker 14: going into Ballarat, a lot of Allan's critics within the
Speaker 14: caucus they didn't want to stump speech from the Premier
Speaker 14: and her team. They wanted an acknowledgment of where they
Speaker 14: sit politically, where the public polls show them heading potentially
Speaker 14: towards the defeat despite having a sixteen seat majority at
Speaker 14: the November state election, and they wanted her to be
Speaker 14: a lot more open in conceding that issues such as
Speaker 14: the CFME you corruption scandal have really dogged the government.
Speaker 14: Policeman Stay Anthony Carbines kind of launched an extraordinary tirade
Speaker 14: really at one of these meetings on Tuesday morning, where
Speaker 14: he said we need to start talking about matters of
Speaker 14: integrity and transparency and said the government hasn't adequately responded
Speaker 14: to this scandal he corruption on taxpayer funded big build sites.
Speaker 14: Alan's speech was just a stump speech. As I said,
Speaker 14: he really told colleagues that she doesn't get it. Her
Speaker 14: chief of staff gave a long speech to everyone which
Speaker 14: basically said that everything's tracking and all of the public
Speaker 14: announcements are tracking like they were heading into the twenty
Speaker 14: twenty two election. That told labor MPs that geez, he
Speaker 14: doesn't get it. In twenty twenty two, there wasn't a
Speaker 14: single poll that told us we were losing. The polls
Speaker 14: now have them on a primary of six percent and
Speaker 14: suggests they are facing potential defeat. So they wanted something different.
Speaker 14: They didn't get it, and they are looking talking, speculating
Speaker 14: about pursuing a challenge next week. It's really their last opportunity.
Speaker 2: Earlier, when there was talk she was going to get roll,
Speaker 2: people said no, no, no, if it's going to happen.
Speaker 2: It'll happen in July, and it'll happen after the national conference.
Speaker 3: Are they still talking?
Speaker 2: Ben Allen as Ben Ben Carroll? I've got football on
Speaker 2: my brain, Ben Carroll. Is that the likely successor if
Speaker 2: it happens next week?
Speaker 14: Yeah, Carol's the only candidate. There's no real candidate from
Speaker 14: the left. This senior cabinet minister Gabrielle Williams would be
Speaker 14: the only kind of viable candidate from the left, but
Speaker 14: she's ruled herself out. The members of the left who
Speaker 14: have been pursuing a challenge or wanted change, you know,
Speaker 14: their immediate view after Carol kind of squibbed it a
Speaker 14: little over a month ago where he promised to Cinterra Allen,
Speaker 14: he looked her in the eye and said he wouldn't challenge.
Speaker 14: You know, they temporarily went off Carol. They kind of thought, oh,
Speaker 14: he doesn't have what you know, he doesn't have what
Speaker 14: it takes, he doesn't want it enough. But you know,
Speaker 14: they're probably back on him just because there is no
Speaker 14: other Canada that they want him to change.
Speaker 2: Let me just jump in there, let me just jump
Speaker 2: in there. He can still take the top job and
Speaker 2: be consistent with what he said if she falls on
Speaker 2: her sword. So if the colleagues come and knock on
Speaker 2: a door and say you've got to go, you've lost
Speaker 2: your numbers, you're going to get rolled. It'll be humiliating.
Speaker 2: We need you to resign, then he can keep faith
Speaker 2: with that. And I presume you'll tell me this now, Anthony.
Speaker 3: I presume then.
Speaker 2: You avoid that circus of having to canvas votes for
Speaker 2: about four weeks. Isn't it between the caucus and Party
Speaker 2: faithful to elect a new leader.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, that's totally right. That's why there's this talk
Speaker 14: of a cross factional delegation from senior members of the
Speaker 14: left and right to kind of go to just InterRail
Speaker 14: and early next week and tell her it's all over.
Speaker 14: That's what Carol wants. He wants to avoid all of
Speaker 14: that bloodbleedding.
Speaker 2: I think he has two otherwise, rolling the female who
Speaker 2: hasn't even faced the electrode and given night, I think
Speaker 2: the electroc is angry. They want to punish her themselves.
Speaker 2: I think that's a problem that Labor wants to avoid. Anthony,
Speaker 2: Thank you all right? Coming up, the billion dollar blowout,
Speaker 2: multi billion dollar blow out of the battery scheme, and
Speaker 2: most of those billions are being sent offshore to foreign manufacturers.
Speaker 2: That's next.
Speaker 3: Welcoback coming up.
Speaker 2: China calls on Labor to be a Taiwanese delegate from
Speaker 2: its Adelaide conference. I mean, who's running the country is
Speaker 2: at camera or Beijing. But First reports today that Labour's
Speaker 2: home battery subsidy schemes blown out from two point three
Speaker 2: billion this is over a four year budget period, to
Speaker 2: an estimated eight point five billion, and the average subsidy
Speaker 2: per battery has sowed some seventy five percent. Just to
Speaker 2: make you even even crankier tonight, I'm sorry for this.
Speaker 2: Just three of the one hundred and thirty six approved
Speaker 2: battery manufacturers, just three are Australian. Here to discuss it,
Speaker 2: the head of Energy the Center for Independent Studies, Ad Morrison, Well, Oka,
Speaker 2: do you tell me this? I watched question time A
Speaker 2: look at Chris Bow when he gets up in the
Speaker 2: chamber and he bangs on about how successful this program
Speaker 2: has been. Not once, as he said, the budget's blown
Speaker 2: out by almost three hundred percent, Not once, And he
Speaker 2: doesn't say anything about most of his money being sent
Speaker 2: to foreign manufacturers.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's exactly right. He's absolutely proud of how much
Speaker 12: money he's splashing around here. But there's a little bit
Speaker 12: of a correction I'd like to make to this story.
Speaker 12: It's been said that this price has gone from two
Speaker 12: point three billion dollars to seven or eight billion dollars.
Speaker 12: That's not actually correct the blowout. If you read through
Speaker 12: the Manifo papers, the projection was to go to fourteen
Speaker 12: billion dollars. The seven or eight billion dollar figure is
Speaker 12: half of that had paired it back, right, So they
Speaker 12: had a program that was expected to do two point
Speaker 12: three billion dollars, it blew out to fourteen, and they
Speaker 12: paired it back in a green they would spend seven
Speaker 12: or eight, okay, and now it's p to eight, so
Speaker 12: it's blowing out even more beyond that level. So this
Speaker 12: is an absolutely insane amount of money, and it's quite
Speaker 12: transparently clear now exactly how they did that, because they
Speaker 12: priced their subsidy that was meant to be about thirty
Speaker 12: percent of a battery on the most expensive premium battery
Speaker 12: they could find in the market, and they gave that
Speaker 12: same dollar figure to everyone. That upsides to very big
Speaker 12: batteries and very cheap manufacturers from China, which often paid
Speaker 12: over sixty or seventy percent of the value of the battery.
Speaker 12: And in fact, you could wind in a whole solar
Speaker 12: system as well and still get more than half of
Speaker 12: a giant solar and battery system covered by the government.
Speaker 12: So that's why there was an absolute stampede, and the
Speaker 12: lobbyists from the Smart Energy Council that put it together
Speaker 12: would have known exactly what they were doing. And this
Speaker 12: has been the most absolutely profitable piece of lobbying for
Speaker 12: the Chinese dominated battery industry that I think must have
Speaker 12: happened anywhere and around the world globally.
Speaker 2: And we're talking when we get into all of this
Speaker 2: stuff anyway. You know, Chinese dominate the solar panel market,
Speaker 2: the Chinese dominate the wind turbine market. And the problem
Speaker 2: I have with the spend in this area, it's not
Speaker 2: like a road which will last as decades. This stuff
Speaker 2: has to be replaced. We get what fourteen years out
Speaker 2: of a wind turbine engine. We get maybe twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five out of solar panels. Fut of it takes probably
Speaker 2: less if they're on the roof at home. And how
Speaker 2: long do we get out of these batteries. We're not
Speaker 2: buying batteries forever. How long do they last? On average?
Speaker 12: Something like ten to fifteen years is probably what you
Speaker 12: might get from a battery at the moment. That's the
Speaker 12: sort of level that you have for warranties at the moment,
Speaker 12: ten maybe twelve. The very big commercial ones a little
Speaker 12: bit longer than that, So that's not that long compared
Speaker 12: to most other energy infrastructure types like coal five power plants,
Speaker 12: they're sort of planned to go for forty if you
Speaker 12: maintain them well, or the refurbishments can go a lot
Speaker 12: longer than that as well. So this is pretty short
Speaker 12: to infrastructure, and so we haven't yet experienced the rush
Speaker 12: of how to recycle or dispose of these things. And
Speaker 12: that's what gets me really angry, because I have folks
Speaker 12: in the economics, because the experience of how to dispose
Speaker 12: of this has not really been experienced, they just often
Speaker 12: assume that it costs nothing at the end of life cycle,
Speaker 12: and the total system life costs of these are much
Speaker 12: lower than they really are because we haven't got to
Speaker 12: the end of life of the scale of batteries and
Speaker 12: solar that we've really had, so could be an environmental
Speaker 12: disaster and certainly economic disaster as well.
Speaker 2: Not wrong, got to leave it there. It's a bit
Speaker 2: shorter than I wanted tonight, but thank you very much.
Speaker 2: We will stay on that one as well. My list,
Speaker 2: my to do list is getting longer and longer every night.
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, more on that extraordinary pressure
Speaker 2: applied today from China to Labor to the Labor Party
Speaker 2: about kicking out a Taiwanese attendee at the national conference.
Speaker 3: And did you know this Li isn't to this.
Speaker 2: Penny Wong, Well she's back bankrolling Gaza. After the break. Look,
Speaker 2: we'll come back to the International Panel in a moment.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, of course. I've got some breaking news for you.
Speaker 2: There has been a letter written by Pauline Hansen two
Speaker 2: opposition leader Angus Taylor. This is in relation to doctor
Speaker 2: g Hard and the thirteen men we know that are
Speaker 2: in prison in Iraq wanting we are told to return
Speaker 2: to Australia. It's probably more of them elsewhere, but this
Speaker 2: is what we know of in terms of Iraq, and
Speaker 2: she has asked for a meeting.
Speaker 3: With Angus Taylor. She says there is.
Speaker 2: A commitment, an offer from one nation to support legislation
Speaker 2: to keep these ISIS linked individuals out of Australia. She
Speaker 2: says one nation will vote with the Coalition and any
Speaker 2: piece of legislation that strengthens Australia's counter terrorism laws. She
Speaker 2: also makes it very very clear that they will work
Speaker 2: together with the Coalition to draft the legislation. So that's
Speaker 2: just now gone from Pauline Hansen to Angus Taylors. Enough,
Speaker 2: I'd be taking out quick smart Okay, let's get into
Speaker 2: it our international pad on our Sky News contributed Kosher Gada,
Speaker 2: formerly Abor MP Michael Danby, welcome to you both. A
Speaker 2: lot to talk about and a lot of it's got
Speaker 2: internal labor ramifications, Michael, and there's no one better than
Speaker 2: you to take us through them and ramifications for Australia.
Speaker 2: You're watching as a stalwart of labor this conference and
Speaker 2: adelaide I suspect with horror, not just about Israel, but
Speaker 2: a whole manner of positions now that have been thrown
Speaker 2: out by your ole party. Where they are now, I
Speaker 2: think no better than the Greens on so many aspects,
Speaker 2: particularly foreign policy, and even this weakness they have with China.
Speaker 15: There's so many concessions being made in order to get
Speaker 15: the left to a cree to put the Orchest deal through.
Speaker 15: So that would be so embarrassing for Elbow and Wong
Speaker 15: not to be able to continue to support that.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what it's about.
Speaker 15: That even poor al Josh Burns being used as a
Speaker 15: human shield by Penny Wong. It's all part of a
Speaker 15: strategy to keep the left on board. They've got the numbers.
Speaker 15: The Labor Party is transformed, as I've been saying on
Speaker 15: this station for years, from a mainstream center left party
Speaker 15: to a policy party of the socialist left. Not quite
Speaker 15: as bad as the DSA in the United States, but
Speaker 15: nearly there.
Speaker 2: And what do you make of the revelations that we
Speaker 2: are back as taxpayers funding GATA, which let's call it
Speaker 2: as it is. I mean gas is still really in
Speaker 2: control of Harmas And even if they change their name,
Speaker 2: it will be the same sort of individuals with the
Speaker 2: same sort of ideology.
Speaker 11: I think there's layers to the story, all of which
Speaker 11: are infuriating. So the first is just government spending. There's
Speaker 11: no respect for taxpayer dollars. That's why you've got a
Speaker 11: trillion dollars in doubt is going in one direction then
Speaker 11: you layer on top of that the Nruan and Hamas connection,
Speaker 11: so they're either susceptible to lobbying for that, they're potentially
Speaker 11: to bill to what the beast wants because it's a rapper,
Speaker 11: sort of safe rapper. You can hide behind the un
Speaker 11: but you're actually pandering to that portion of the beast
Speaker 11: that is much more favorable to that side, and it's
Speaker 11: sort of seen as a cheap political when with no
Speaker 11: counterbalance for care for tax dollars, which I don't see
Speaker 11: changing anytime soon, and sadly.
Speaker 15: Always they believe in it themselves, which is part of
Speaker 15: the story too.
Speaker 2: What did you make of the Chinese government or official
Speaker 2: that I'm certainly trying to punt a Taiwanese attendee from
Speaker 2: the conference.
Speaker 15: Well, the Taiwanese were marginalized as a general observer. I'm
Speaker 15: glad they stopped the Chinese embassy from chucking them out.
Speaker 15: They used to regularly come round to my office and
Speaker 15: stand at the door and demand that I not meet
Speaker 15: Tibetans or the Fallon Gong. Once I only went to
Speaker 15: a Fellon Gong meeting because they demanded that I not
Speaker 15: do it. People are counter suggestible in a democratic society.
Speaker 15: But the real context is Dan Andrews and the pro China.
Speaker 15: I'll be meeting it on the road to Mandalay, the
Speaker 15: big mansion in in Sydney for a huge donation from
Speaker 15: that part of the political spectrum. And the fact that
Speaker 15: we have only two zero point one percent of Australian
Speaker 15: GDP being spent on defense. If we really want to
Speaker 15: send the Chinese a lesson about the missile tests over
Speaker 15: the Pacific, increase the percentage in real terms to three percent,
Speaker 15: Like all the NATO countries are being forced to.
Speaker 2: Wong's remonstrations of China. How much is that real and
Speaker 2: how much is that the show?
Speaker 3: Peter.
Speaker 15: She's going all over the Pacific. She's seeing that these
Speaker 15: people are serious. She's probably being brief by dfact that
Speaker 15: this is all real and all of her ideology and
Speaker 15: the branch and the parliamentarians who've got no interest in
Speaker 15: these kinds of things are not aware of all of
Speaker 15: the kinds of things that she's see. That ballistic missile
Speaker 15: test right across the Pacific should scare the hell of anyone.
Speaker 15: And I think she's being forced by reality to say
Speaker 15: stronger things about China.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Iran. I'll tell my viewers. I flew
Speaker 2: home through Dubai, threw home through the Middle East, got
Speaker 2: felt safe, felt absolutely safe. I trust the imorats. The
Speaker 2: player would not have taken off and we would not
Speaker 2: have been able to land if it wasn't safe. What's
Speaker 2: the latest there, what's the reed of this? I know
Speaker 2: we've got big terms knocking on the door, but the US,
Speaker 2: a lot of the avenues now appear to be closing, and.
Speaker 11: The off ramp just gets narrower and narrower. But in
Speaker 11: the last week or two it does look like present Trump,
Speaker 11: despite all the opposition at home and the risks of
Speaker 11: the midterms, is if not doubling down, I would say
Speaker 11: one point fiving down on the military aspect of it.
Speaker 11: Still definitely not wanting to do boots on the ground
Speaker 11: because he knows that is political anathema, but everything else
Speaker 11: to shore up the military angle. And on some level
Speaker 11: it's a war of attrition. It's a waiting game where
Speaker 11: Iran is aware of the domestic political pressures and it's
Speaker 11: trying to run the clock out. Trump's calculation must be
Speaker 11: that if we continue to do some meet them militarily
Speaker 11: enough you'll reach that tipping point where they'll give up
Speaker 11: or given And that seems to be a Hegh Stakes maneuver.
Speaker 3: But that's where we are. Michael Gilda, no boots on
Speaker 3: the ground.
Speaker 15: But the worst thing for him would be to lose,
Speaker 15: to run away from there with his tail between his legs.
Speaker 15: Oil price is going up and the Uranians in control
Speaker 15: of Straits of Humors. So Kosh is right. The bridge
Speaker 15: off ramp is narrowing. But his only choice is to
Speaker 15: keep the pressure on the Uranians and the economic blockade.
Speaker 15: That very brilliant Treasury secretary that Trump Scott is I
Speaker 15: think the key way of forcing the Uranians into some
Speaker 15: kind of reality.
Speaker 2: I'm just about out of time, but give me your
Speaker 2: take on the Saudi deal won't work.
Speaker 15: Where goes Saudi Arabia goes the UA. In all of
Speaker 15: these other countries, nuclear proliferation is the worry, and it's
Speaker 15: got to get to Congress and be approved. It'll be
Speaker 15: years before it happens. The Saudis are not the worst
Speaker 15: element in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: All right, all over there, thank you, that's it. Great
Speaker 2: to be back. I've had a great week. I hope
Speaker 2: you've enjoyed having me back at the desk. I will
Speaker 2: see you Monday. I'll give you a big wrap of
Speaker 2: the ALP conference and more Up next to Andrew