WEBVTT - Credlin | 23 July

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Kranland live on Sky News Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you dare drop that National Cabinet, Chris Kenny, I

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<v Speaker 2>love it every Thursday. Good evening, everyone, Welcome to the program.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what's coming up tonight on Kredline. The latest on

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<v Speaker 2>doctor g Hard, the huge revelations today that'll make your

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<v Speaker 2>blood boil.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll update is shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll also speak to the journalists and brilliant journalists who

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<v Speaker 2>broke the story live on the program a little later.

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<v Speaker 2>Growing speculation too today that factional support for jacent to

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<v Speaker 2>Allan's crumbling. I'm told this afternoon that meetings are being

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<v Speaker 2>held in the margins of the ALP National Conference in Adelaide.

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<v Speaker 2>State Parliament's back next week, so will she be rolled

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<v Speaker 2>plas Bowen's battery blowout expected to cost taxpayers over eight

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars. Worse still, the majority of these billions are

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<v Speaker 2>being paid to foreign battery manufacturers. That's coming out and

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<v Speaker 2>all the action out of day one of the a

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<v Speaker 2>LP conference. The elephant in the room for labor even

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<v Speaker 2>is clearly one nation.

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<v Speaker 4>Even the very first labor government was not a monoculture.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll cross live to Adelaid for the latest therapy. First

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<v Speaker 2>labor has been exposed. The secrecy and the duplicity of

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<v Speaker 2>the Albanesi government and the weakness in the face of

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<v Speaker 2>radical Islam now laid bare for all to see. Just

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<v Speaker 2>last night I had this to say, and revelations that

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<v Speaker 2>Perth born isis. Doctor Tarek Kamler was not dead as

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<v Speaker 2>previously thought, but alive and behind bars in an Iraqi prison.

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<v Speaker 2>And he is just one of a group of thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>Australians so tells us the Iraqi officials being investigated by

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<v Speaker 2>them over allegations that they were terrorists for Islamic State. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>as we know, it's the women and the children here.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon it'll be the men, mark my words. Is Australia

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<v Speaker 2>involved here?

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<v Speaker 3>Is our government or our officials any part of this?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they across it? Are they being briefed? Again?

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<v Speaker 2>No comment from Home Affairs. But knowing what I do

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<v Speaker 2>about how Canberra works, not for one minute do I

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<v Speaker 2>believe that Australian authorities are out of the loop on

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<v Speaker 2>any of this. Not for one minute do I think

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<v Speaker 2>that this front page of the newspaper today was a

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<v Speaker 2>surprise to Tony Burke or his Home Affairs Department.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't buy that.

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect that's precisely why Home Affairs refused.

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<v Speaker 3>To make a comment comment. Well, I was right.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we learn again via the Australian newspaper that not

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<v Speaker 2>only does the Albanezi government know all about this doctor

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<v Speaker 2>g Hard, but they've known about him for years, yes, years,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've kept it a secret. Reports today that Penny

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<v Speaker 2>Wong's Department of Foreign Affairs was briefed about Calmeless Survival

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<v Speaker 2>four years ago, in twenty twenty two and again last

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<v Speaker 2>year exposes just how compromised the Albanesi government is when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the issue of isis returnees be they

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<v Speaker 2>male or female. As a reporter Mohammed Alfarez and Paul

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<v Speaker 2>Garvi have said today in the Australian and they got

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<v Speaker 2>this from a defat source. Officials you about doctor g

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<v Speaker 2>Hard from a tip off by US agents in Iraq,

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<v Speaker 2>but quote decided to stay out of it and not

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<v Speaker 2>get involved. Well they are involved. Deciding not to get involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a decision in itself because, as the Iraqi

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<v Speaker 2>authorities said in their media statement yesterday, the potential repaired

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<v Speaker 2>creation of Tarak Kamla back to Australia remains that I

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<v Speaker 2>quote an open yet conditional pathway and so by leaving

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<v Speaker 2>it to Baghdad to take the running on this bloke,

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<v Speaker 2>this alleged terrorist, in all but guarantees he'll face little

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<v Speaker 2>opposition returning to this country. And when asked, alber Easy

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<v Speaker 2>will just claim his government's doing nothing to assist doctor

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<v Speaker 2>g Hard's return, or that are the other twelve men

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<v Speaker 2>that the Iraqi's report all want to come back to Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>But deciding not to stop the return of this man

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<v Speaker 2>is helping him. Not imposing exclusion order is helping him.

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<v Speaker 2>Not stopping him at all in any way is absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>getting involved. Now, Albert Easy, you are fooling no one here.

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<v Speaker 2>Has doctor g Hard already lodged an application for a

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<v Speaker 2>new passport? Well, I want to know that has he

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<v Speaker 2>had a prison visit from any Australians, Muslim mats or

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<v Speaker 2>government officials. Has his Perth based family had any contact

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<v Speaker 2>with him? Is this where Tony Burke's political ally, doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Jabal Riffi, is going to deploy his repatriation efforts next. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>all of these questions deserve an answer. I can tell

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<v Speaker 2>you from experience that if Defat has had a briefing

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<v Speaker 2>on this individual. Other departments will have been briefed as well,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely Home Affairs and the Prime Minister's own department. Reports

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<v Speaker 2>today say Acio is a cross it Well, I bet

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<v Speaker 2>they are, and our International Intelligence arm the agency ASIS.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I would highly suspect. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>been an issue discussed in the National Security Committee of Cabinet,

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<v Speaker 2>the NSC and I bet they did it under the

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<v Speaker 2>line as an underlying item to limit the paper trail

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<v Speaker 2>because it is dynamite. And it's dynamite because Labour's political

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<v Speaker 2>dependence on the Muslim vote in the key seats they hold,

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<v Speaker 2>like Tony Burke's own seat of Watson, compromises them in

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<v Speaker 2>every way. Burke holds his seat and the Albinezy government

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<v Speaker 2>turns a blind eye to the return of his ice.

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<v Speaker 2>As sympathizers, that's what they are at best, Active terrorists

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<v Speaker 2>is what they are. With the worst of the claims

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<v Speaker 2>are in fact true. Now, if you think I'm angry here,

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<v Speaker 2>you bet I am. I know you are angry too.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only are we being lied to, but as we

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<v Speaker 2>have seen so clearly on the beach at Bondai, radicals

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<v Speaker 2>in this country will cost Australian lives. Terrorism is real,

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<v Speaker 2>sadly in this country now. It's not an abstract thing anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just happening in other countries. It's real and

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<v Speaker 2>it's here, and unless we move fast and rooted out,

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<v Speaker 2>we will never be safe now right now, without any

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<v Speaker 2>need for additional powers or new laws. Albertizy could act

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<v Speaker 2>to keep these men out right now now, as outlined

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<v Speaker 2>here on the show last night. That's exactly what he

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<v Speaker 2>can and should do. And here's that expert we often

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<v Speaker 2>talked to about counter terrorism, former Federal Police Superintendent Detective

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<v Speaker 2>David Craig. Give us a sense right now of what

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<v Speaker 2>he's got on his desk that he could use to

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<v Speaker 2>keep this man out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well not even just this man, Peter, pardon me, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing the government needs to be doing is

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<v Speaker 1>using these temporary exclusion orders. Now, I've seen Tony Burk

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<v Speaker 1>say that there'll be a constitutional challenge, or that the

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<v Speaker 1>High Court won't like it, or the fact is, no

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<v Speaker 1>High court has actually tested the validity constitutional validity of

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<v Speaker 1>temporary exclusion orders. So that's a nonsense. He's scared of

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<v Speaker 1>something that doesn't actually exist. If this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>push our laws to the High Court, then this is

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<v Speaker 1>the case to do it on.

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<v Speaker 2>And Gus Taylor, I really want to see you and

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<v Speaker 2>the Opposition take this fight up to the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's a whole lot of questions I've already outlined

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<v Speaker 2>tonight you need to demand or answered and it can't

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<v Speaker 2>be tolerated that departments, when asked to comment on issues

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<v Speaker 2>like these just refuse. Yesterday Home Affairs were silent, the

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Tony Burke, well he went to ground the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister too, and today Defat's gone missing. Now Foreign Affairs

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<v Speaker 2>is literally hundreds of staff in its media team, Petty,

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<v Speaker 2>while quite a few staff in her press.

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<v Speaker 3>Team as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And what no one, No one can tell us anything

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<v Speaker 2>about this bloke. No one's willing to give the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>vote the truth really.

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<v Speaker 3>Answers.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want alb and Easy pursued on this as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because there may be a way right now to strip

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<v Speaker 2>doctor g Hard of Australian citizenship and not even need

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<v Speaker 2>to use an exclusion order. Now, if I remember rightly,

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't have to take up the citizenship of another

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<v Speaker 2>country to lose your Australian citizenship.

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<v Speaker 3>You just had to have the ability to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, presumably in the case of the Dutch mother, at

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<v Speaker 2>least he could avail himself of Dutch citizenship. Can we,

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<v Speaker 2>under the current laws cancel his ability to return to

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<v Speaker 2>Australia knowing that because of his mother, potentially his father,

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<v Speaker 2>he will not be rendered stateless.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I think that's a real possibility.

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<v Speaker 5>Better.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the High Court has looked very carefully at

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<v Speaker 1>removing citizenship as a punitive measure. But if there is

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<v Speaker 1>an alternative place, alternative nation state where they can go,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it might be looked on favorably.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay this too, How is it the Labour's Attorney General,

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Roland, could sign off warrant to arrest war hero

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Robert Smith within hours and yet it took weeks

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<v Speaker 2>weeks in relation to the ISIS connected women now charged

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<v Speaker 2>with terrorism offenses and slavery.

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<v Speaker 6>Just in terms of the consent to prosecute, how long

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<v Speaker 6>did it take the Attorney General to side off on

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<v Speaker 6>the ISIS bride's consent to prosecute?

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<v Speaker 7>The CDPP wrote to the Department seeking the attorney's consent

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<v Speaker 7>on the twentieth of November twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 6>Five, twentieth of November twenty twenty five, and the consent

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<v Speaker 6>was provided on the fifteenth of December, so approximately just

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<v Speaker 6>over three weeks compared to the one day with Ben

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<v Speaker 6>Robert Smith. Okay, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, how can we as a country have spent

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred million dollars investigating our our own soldiers who

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<v Speaker 2>put their lives on the line to fight the terror's

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<v Speaker 2>Taliban forty one of them who never came home alive,

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<v Speaker 2>and be so weak here on these men and women

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<v Speaker 2>who willingly left Australia to join Islamic state.

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<v Speaker 1>How I just wish that they would put the same

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<v Speaker 1>vigor and resources into stopping ISIS fighters returning to our

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<v Speaker 1>country as they have in prosecuting some of our ex.

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<v Speaker 3>Veterans one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've got strong views of this as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough is enough, As I said, the journal who broke

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<v Speaker 2>this story will join me at the desk a little

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<v Speaker 2>later on. Let's go to cambernow for the headlines. Skyny's

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<v Speaker 2>political reporter Tunny Macintosh.

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<v Speaker 8>Parliament has cleared out as the Labor Faithful gather in

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<v Speaker 8>Adelaide for the party's national conference. After an early stumble

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<v Speaker 8>on the escalator. The Prime Minister revealed plans to revive

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<v Speaker 8>a new court to resolve workplace disputes.

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<v Speaker 4>Good for workers, good for business, good for the country.

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<v Speaker 8>He also took a swipe at one nation.

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<v Speaker 4>All those trips around the world to talk Australa down,

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<v Speaker 4>that none of them have anything new or anything positive

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<v Speaker 4>to offer our.

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<v Speaker 8>Country, seeking to steal the spotlight. The opposition leader was

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<v Speaker 8>just down the road visiting Adelaide's central market.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm out and about talking to small business people.

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<v Speaker 7>And the Labor Party is talking to itself.

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<v Speaker 8>After an eventful week for One Nation, I think the

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<v Speaker 8>party is now trying to capitalize selling Barnaby inspired dog leashes.

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<v Speaker 8>The Foreign Minister skipped the start of proceedings. She's still

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<v Speaker 8>in the Philippines for Asian talks. Condemning China's recent missile test.

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<v Speaker 8>Pennywong also warned of the consequences if Iran or the

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<v Speaker 8>US imposed a toll on the Strait of Hormuz.

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<v Speaker 9>People suffer when astray is webized, and we all know

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<v Speaker 9>that the cost of tolls on any tote point is

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<v Speaker 9>not only solely economic.

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<v Speaker 8>Back in Adelaide, Labour's National Secretary Paul Erickson had to

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<v Speaker 8>reject China's demand to eject Taiwanese officials from attending. Trudy

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<v Speaker 8>Macintosh Sky News Canbra.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, as you heard, they're all eyes on the

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<v Speaker 2>ALP national conference kicking off in Adelaide today. It will run,

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<v Speaker 2>of course until Saturday. Joining me now, one of our

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<v Speaker 2>men on the ground in Adelaide, Cam Reddin, Well, Cam.

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<v Speaker 2>We saw those comments in the papers this morning from

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne Swann warning that one Nation is Labour's biggest threat.

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<v Speaker 2>That was clearly the focus too of the Prime Minister today.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I found that quite extraordinary. He's playing to the

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<v Speaker 2>hometown crowd, three hundred thousand, three thousand so delegates, Labor delegates,

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<v Speaker 2>Union delegates in the room, and yet his focus is

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<v Speaker 2>on one nation.

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<v Speaker 9>Who would have ever thought we'd be in the situation

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<v Speaker 9>three years ago, Peter let alone, twelve months ago, where

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<v Speaker 9>all of the Labor faithful in the country have descended

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<v Speaker 9>on Adelaide and all anybody's talking about is Pauline Hanson

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<v Speaker 9>and one Nation. For so much of that address, the

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<v Speaker 9>keynote address that the Prime Minister gave, and yes there

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<v Speaker 9>were a couple of policy announcements in there, as well,

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<v Speaker 9>nothing to knock it off the front page, but the

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<v Speaker 9>focus on one nation he has seemed so deliberate, and Peter,

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<v Speaker 9>many of us in this space have been wondering for

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<v Speaker 9>a few months now just how real that one nation

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<v Speaker 9>surge is. We all see the polls and we all

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<v Speaker 9>hear the concerns about well, maybe it's just a bump

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<v Speaker 9>in the road, maybe it's a temporary thing. They'll all

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<v Speaker 9>fall apart. Well they haven't fallen apart yet, and clearly

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<v Speaker 9>it's real enough for the Prime Minister to make it

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<v Speaker 9>such a significant part of his speech and go in

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<v Speaker 9>the attack for one Nation. I don't think a few

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<v Speaker 9>months ago, Peter, any of us would have expected this

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<v Speaker 9>sort of attention to be given to Pauline Hanson. But

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<v Speaker 9>that's where we found ourselves today.

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<v Speaker 10>It was such a.

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<v Speaker 9>Focal point on what is supposed to be something that's

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<v Speaker 9>all about the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to speak to the journalist from the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>who broke the story. Worry about doctor g Hard But

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<v Speaker 2>we've got Tony Burke, Penny Wong, their department, the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>his department, all hiding from scrutiny, and obviously the revelations

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<v Speaker 2>today that Labor knew about this, They knew about this

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<v Speaker 2>four years ago. He's, you know, like a rabbit in

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<v Speaker 2>the headlights there. He can't run away from the conference.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope you will.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Clenell get to him and Burke and Wong over

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, we've all brought our runners, so that have to

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<v Speaker 9>run pretty fast for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Peter.

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<v Speaker 9>We're doing our best. I know if the PM is around,

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<v Speaker 9>I'll do my best, but I know Andrew will get

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<v Speaker 9>him if he can.

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<v Speaker 2>You are a good man, Cam, I know you will,

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<v Speaker 2>so we will stay across that for next week. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>joining me out for my panel. Skyne is contributed to

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<v Speaker 2>CAROLEI Kats and Barnas and Shadow Defense Industry and Personnel Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>a former veteran of course, Phil Thompson. Welcome to you both.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll stay with the conference if I can. Phil overnight Worth,

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<v Speaker 2>noting Linda Bernie told The Australian and I quote she said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a devastating outcome. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>relation to the voice, but it gives us a base

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<v Speaker 2>to work from. She said, now come on, that must

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<v Speaker 2>mean that they're going to come back with another hit.

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<v Speaker 2>To divide Australians by their skin color.

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<v Speaker 10>I think that Linda Bernie and her comments are out

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<v Speaker 10>of touch with what the Australian people voted on and

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<v Speaker 10>what they wanted, and to say that we should be

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<v Speaker 10>looking going down this path again. A I think it's

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<v Speaker 10>a waste of tax payer money. But I also think

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<v Speaker 10>that there are more important things that this Labor government

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<v Speaker 10>should be focused on. You know, I've got an email

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<v Speaker 10>just today in my elected office where a single mom

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<v Speaker 10>was talking about at the end of the month, it's

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<v Speaker 10>either going to be food on the table or school supplies.

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<v Speaker 10>That people are doing it tough, and you know the

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<v Speaker 10>virtual signaling and the culture wars that this Labor government

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<v Speaker 10>are going through. Now, I think she's just out of step.

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<v Speaker 10>Look at the comments around the Union movement and the

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<v Speaker 10>Labor Party, and the lack of conviction from Minister Claire

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<v Speaker 10>O'Neil around the want to change the Australian flag. I

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<v Speaker 10>think this is ridiculous and they should be focused on

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<v Speaker 10>what matters to all Australians, not just what matters to

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<v Speaker 10>some small segment in the Labor caucus.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll come to Caroline in a moment, but I've got

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you. I've gone through the top of the

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<v Speaker 2>show the detail about doctor g Hard and I know

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<v Speaker 2>forty one veterans and never came home from Afghanistan, killed

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<v Speaker 2>at the hand of the Taliban. We know that this

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<v Speaker 2>doctor g Hart who's imprisoned in Iraq has known his existence,

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<v Speaker 2>has been known to the government. Now four or four years.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's gone to ground. No one's answering any questions. It's

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<v Speaker 2>my hypothesis that the women came back and that was planned.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the soft touch, and there was always this

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<v Speaker 2>gender to get and get the men back.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is the start.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll start with the quote humanitarian doctor and away we go.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your reaction to what we've learned over the last

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<v Speaker 2>two days.

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<v Speaker 10>He should not be allowed back to Australia. There are

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<v Speaker 10>temper exclusion orders that are there. They were brought in

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<v Speaker 10>place by the Coalition in twenty nineteen where someone can

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<v Speaker 10>be refused entry. Australian citizen can be refused entry for

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<v Speaker 10>two years, then reviewed for another two years, then reviewed

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<v Speaker 10>again and again and again. I want to see that

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<v Speaker 10>as the bare minimum.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting, Carole.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night David Craig said there's already an arsenal of

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<v Speaker 2>law at the government's disposal. They actually don't need new law,

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<v Speaker 2>but if they do, feel saying, he and the Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>would stand ready to assist. Alexander Downer made clear on

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Kenny's show an hour ago that as Foreign Minister

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<v Speaker 2>he regularly canceled passports. He did it with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of severity. Sure, but it can be done. It should

0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:58.800
<v Speaker 2>be done, he said, that's what should happen here. Our

0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.760
<v Speaker 2>labor's not serious. Labor want them to come home. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>well they do.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean you have to wonder which side is the

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<v Speaker 5>Australian government actually on. I mean it's also horrific because

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<v Speaker 5>at the moment Australia's borders seem to be being dictated

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<v Speaker 5>by activists at the ALP conference. I mean, there's a

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<v Speaker 5>thing that they want to allow illegal illegal arrivals if

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<v Speaker 5>they're held in attention for more than ninety days to

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<v Speaker 5>be let free. These are illegal arrivals. There are seventy

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<v Speaker 5>thousand overstayers currently in Australia. And it also remind the

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<v Speaker 5>viewers as well that the Administrative Appeals Tribunal was disbanded

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<v Speaker 5>in a vanity project by the former Attorney General Mark

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<v Speaker 5>Dreyfers to be the Administrative Review Tribunal. There are now

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<v Speaker 5>one hundred and twenty seven thousand active cases. The backlog

0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.280
<v Speaker 5>is sixty one week's minimum. And can I just say

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<v Speaker 5>it was a political hit job done by Drefers an

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<v Speaker 5>alban easy removing some very competent tribunal members. And what

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<v Speaker 5>a mess is Australia is in because this is a

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<v Speaker 5>green light to people smugglers and it is undoing all

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<v Speaker 5>the great work of the Abbott government and the Howard

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<v Speaker 5>and Costello year's era as well.

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<v Speaker 8>And this is not good.

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<v Speaker 5>This is putting the lives and the safety of Australians

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<v Speaker 5>at risk. This is dreadful. And the worry is we

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<v Speaker 5>know that these so called wacky proposals at the ALP

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<v Speaker 5>conference they'll be in a bottom drawer and years down

0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.439
<v Speaker 5>the track they'll be brought up. We've seen what happened

0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.560
<v Speaker 5>ten years ago. They've brought Bill Shorten's thing forward and

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<v Speaker 5>it's dangerous and it just shouldn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's leave that there, Caroly, I've got to get a

0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.880
<v Speaker 2>comment from you. A lot of demonization about who Paul

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<v Speaker 2>Enhansen meets with everything she does is disclosed unlike others.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a lavish.

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<v Speaker 2>Dinner this week reported in the newspapers, the Prime Minister

0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:52.720
<v Speaker 2>sitting down with the very rich sign of a Chinese developer.

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<v Speaker 2>This is in Point Piper and Dan Andrews and a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot of others are there and the talk is

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<v Speaker 2>it was a million dollar donation that got them to

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<v Speaker 2>turn up.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, listen to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Burke can't answer questions about doctor g Hart.

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<v Speaker 3>He's gone to ground.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you've got one thousand dollars in your pocket,

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<v Speaker 2>you can get over to Adelaide and see him front

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.320
<v Speaker 2>a band made up of him and others in the

0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Labor Caucus. He's charging one thousand dollars for this pub

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<v Speaker 2>gig on the sidelines of the conference.

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<v Speaker 3>But you are kidding me.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I can tell you it's one thousand dollars for

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<v Speaker 5>a taller swift ticket. But it is interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>His band is known as.

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<v Speaker 5>Left Right Out. And what I will say is Australians

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<v Speaker 5>are being left right out of all the decisions that

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<v Speaker 5>should be being made in their interest. Older Australians. They're

0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.360
<v Speaker 5>left right out of aged care, people are left right

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<v Speaker 5>out of the NDAs. We're left right out of energy.

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<v Speaker 3>We're left right out of jobs, and it's.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely disgusting that they can even think of doing it.

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<v Speaker 5>We were also left right out when Tony Burke went

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<v Speaker 5>to welcome the Palestinian refugees from Gaza. Secretly we didn't

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<v Speaker 5>know anything about that unless the.

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<v Speaker 11>Media exposed it.

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<v Speaker 5>It's absolutely disgusting and he should hang his head in shape.

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<v Speaker 12>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I leave it there, Thank you to both phil Again,

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<v Speaker 2>please give your veterroom mates all our very best with

0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.000
<v Speaker 2>thinking of them and as I said, keep up the fight.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll leave it there, but just before we go, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to my friends in Bendigo. Of course that is

0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 2>just into Allen's seat, the seat of Bendigo East hotly contested.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up to Novemba. You've not been able to see us,

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<v Speaker 2>have you, because of that fire earlier in the year

0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.640
<v Speaker 2>and damage to transmission towers. Please to say, everything back

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<v Speaker 2>on track, so if you're watching us, make sure your

0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.320
<v Speaker 2>neighbors and everybody else in town know that they can

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<v Speaker 2>watch us free to air on digital television now right

0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 2>across Victoria, but in particular that area which means a

0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.760
<v Speaker 2>lot to Victorians come November. All right, let's leave that

0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.880
<v Speaker 2>there Barnaby's dog. I want to just mention this one

0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.080
<v Speaker 2>before the break to all that outrage. Do you know

0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:59.399
<v Speaker 2>the ABC is out there now questioning whether there was

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<v Speaker 2>even a dog in the first place, as some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a listen.

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<v Speaker 13>People want to know Hamish whether there really was a

0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 13>dog in that interview. I think, look, I think I

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<v Speaker 13>heard a dog, and I think on the recording you

0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.200
<v Speaker 13>can hear this very important. I hope people are paying attention.

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<v Speaker 13>This is the masses of state hang on this. I

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<v Speaker 13>think there really was a dog, but I liked the

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:20.359
<v Speaker 13>idea that maybe there wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, give me a break, Give me a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Barnaby's wife, VICKI, well, she's got out there today. She's

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<v Speaker 2>put a bit of proof of life of the beautiful

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:34.200
<v Speaker 2>dog Stella out there on social media. All right, after

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:37.359
<v Speaker 2>the break, we'll get into the whole story of doctor

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 2>g Hard from the dogged reporter who has really exposed

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 2>labor on this and talk they just to Alan will

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<v Speaker 2>be dumped.

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<v Speaker 3>Next week.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you an update after the break. Welcome back,

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. Fresh speculation to Alan, of course, has it

0:23:56.920 --> 0:24:01.640
<v Speaker 2>won an election? She was installed as Premier Dan Andrews. Well,

0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 2>the talk is that you won't even get to the

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<v Speaker 2>November election. She'll get rolled when Parliament returns next week,

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<v Speaker 2>will she. We'll get to that in a moment. First,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to return to the bombshell revelations that Tarak Kamla,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor g Hard is confirmed as alive and behind bars

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<v Speaker 2>in an Iraqi prison. Now, as I said last night,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't believe that Labor was in the dark on

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<v Speaker 2>any of this below and behold news broke last night

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<v Speaker 2>in The Australian that in fact Defat had been briefed

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<v Speaker 2>about his survival first back in twenty twenty two and

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 2>again this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Joining me now, one of the reporters, Paul gave, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know who's assisted as well, but the bloke he broke

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:45.040
<v Speaker 2>it first, the Australians, Muhammad al Fararez. Well, I think

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 2>it's the story of the year so far, and it

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<v Speaker 2>keeps coming back. You know, more revelations today. I know

0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 2>your colleague in Perth has spoken to his family. Walk

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<v Speaker 2>me through what the government.

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<v Speaker 3>You and when.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much for having me on your show tonight.

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<v Speaker 7>So the government knows everything in my opinion, and what

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<v Speaker 7>the Iraqi government told us the Australian is that the

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 7>embassy in Baghdad is following his case and not just

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<v Speaker 7>his case, the case of every Australian national in Iraq.

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<v Speaker 7>So what that tells us is that the Embassy in

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<v Speaker 7>Baghdad operates for the Australian government and what they also

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<v Speaker 7>our sources have said that Defact was briefed on this

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<v Speaker 7>back in twenty twenty two, and in twenty nineteen, obviously,

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:54.680
<v Speaker 7>as we reported, Kamla was captured. So they've also been

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:58.640
<v Speaker 7>briefed again in the past year. And this has come

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 7>from you as officials who have been tracking Tarek Kamdler

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<v Speaker 7>because he was married to an American woman.

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<v Speaker 2>And let I'll just catch people up at home if

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 2>they didn't listen last night. The speculation is that he's

0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:15.159
<v Speaker 2>had four wives, perhaps even more, that there's a number

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 2>of children, and I guess that's why we've got the

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 2>American loop open there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>He's understood to have been married to four women, had

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<v Speaker 7>a number of children. What happened to those children, no

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:32.639
<v Speaker 7>one really knows, but there are speculations that one of

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 7>them was repatriated to France and the other two the

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:40.679
<v Speaker 7>United States. But those are unconfirmed reports at their stage.

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<v Speaker 2>My experience of government, if you and your sources are

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 2>saying that bag dads across it, If bag dads across it,

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:50.639
<v Speaker 2>they're not a line outfit. Camera will be across it.

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:54.399
<v Speaker 2>And if defacts across anything in Canberra or Penny Wong's

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 2>office is also across it. And once the Foreign Minister

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:00.919
<v Speaker 2>is briefed, there's no doubt in my mind that this

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>has been discussed in the NSC committee. Your sources, we

0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 2>know that there's another twelve individuals in this cohort that

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 2>the iraqis and they have been far more forthcoming with

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 2>information than Australia has. All up, there's about thirteen individuals,

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 2>all men. Are they all behind bars?

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 3>What do we know?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so they're all men. They're behind bars in Iraq,

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 7>understood to be in Baghdad. And you know, like the

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 7>Iraqi government in conjunction with the US right now are

0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 7>going through a filtering process where they look at combatants

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 7>versus non combatants. And some of these non combatants have

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 7>been freed already now o case.

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 3>But when you say freed freed into.

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 7>Freed from prison.

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Into Iraq or free to be extradited from Iraq.

0:27:56.080 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 7>Free to be extradited from Iraq back to their home nation. Yeah, okay,

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.719
<v Speaker 7>so that's already taken place. But in the case of Tarek,

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 7>whether he's going to be released in due time, we'll

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.360
<v Speaker 7>have to see. But the fact is that he's claiming

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 7>to be a non combatant right now, even though you

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 7>know it's been well reported that he's a medic doctor

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 7>g had So how that plays out in the rocky

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 7>judicial system will be very interesting to see. And you know,

0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:31.120
<v Speaker 7>wage up what the punishment is going to be, whether

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 7>it's ten years, whether it's a year. And there's always

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 7>the chance that you know, he gets released, goes to

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 7>the embassy, gets a passport, helps on the first plane

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 7>back to Australia, where he would most definitely be arrested.

0:28:45.880 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 7>But it's still a possibility.

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I know you said to me off camera that that

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 2>his family is shadowed by all of this. Yeah, shamed

0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and everything that would all hope and expect any Australia

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 2>family would be.

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 3>Has he been in contact with them? Do we know?

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 7>We don't know if he's been in contact with the family.

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 7>My colleague Paul Garvey had the opportunity to sit down

0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 7>with the father yesterday and he spoke about the hurt,

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 7>the devastation that they went through because they raised the

0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:23.880
<v Speaker 7>doctor and they were very proud of him. So for

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 7>him to betray them and travel into the Caliphate with

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 7>a blood thirsty, you know, terrorist organization was devastating for

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 7>them and they're still very much suffering till this day

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:40.600
<v Speaker 7>because of that decision.

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 2>I spoke to my colleagues through at the AOP conference

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're going to pursue the Prime Minister and Penny

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Wong and Tony Burke. I know you've tried really hard.

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 2>They've all gone to ground, so have their departments, which

0:29:52.000 --> 0:29:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I find extraordinary.

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 3>But I hope you keep it up. This has been

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 3>an extraordinary exclusive for you.

0:29:58.480 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much.

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Thanks Maham. Tell what we're not going to let this rest.

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 2>That's gone out of that speculation in Victoria that a

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of labor and peas are plotting to remove

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 2>to center Allen that she won't even get to the

0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 2>election in November. The talk I've heard through people in

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Adelaide directly to me this afternoon is that powerbrokers the

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 2>meeting in the margins of Labour's conference and that she's

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 2>unlikely to survive next week when State Parliament returns. Part

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 2>of the issue is and they haven't really agreed who

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 2>will replace her. Victorian and political editor at The Australian,

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Galloway, though he might know, he joins me, Now

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<v Speaker 2>you've reported today effectively, Anthony, that there was a rebellion

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 2>at the recent caucus retreat because the Premier and the

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>senior members of her team just refused to acknowledge just

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 2>how much on the nose she is with voters.

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 3>What more can you tell us?

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, it was this caucus retreat in Ballarat. I'm told

0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 14>the weather was freezing, but it was also frosty in

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:02.960
<v Speaker 14>terms of the relations between everyone. And that's really because

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 14>going into Ballarat, a lot of Allan's critics within the

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 14>caucus they didn't want to stump speech from the Premier

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 14>and her team. They wanted an acknowledgment of where they

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 14>sit politically, where the public polls show them heading potentially

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 14>towards the defeat despite having a sixteen seat majority at

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 14>the November state election, and they wanted her to be

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 14>a lot more open in conceding that issues such as

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 14>the CFME you corruption scandal have really dogged the government.

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 14>Policeman Stay Anthony Carbines kind of launched an extraordinary tirade

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 14>really at one of these meetings on Tuesday morning, where

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 14>he said we need to start talking about matters of

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 14>integrity and transparency and said the government hasn't adequately responded

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 14>to this scandal he corruption on taxpayer funded big build sites.

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 14>Alan's speech was just a stump speech. As I said,

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 14>he really told colleagues that she doesn't get it. Her

0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 14>chief of staff gave a long speech to everyone which

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 14>basically said that everything's tracking and all of the public

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 14>announcements are tracking like they were heading into the twenty

0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 14>twenty two election. That told labor MPs that geez, he

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 14>doesn't get it. In twenty twenty two, there wasn't a

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 14>single poll that told us we were losing. The polls

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 14>now have them on a primary of six percent and

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 14>suggests they are facing potential defeat. So they wanted something different.

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 14>They didn't get it, and they are looking talking, speculating

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 14>about pursuing a challenge next week. It's really their last opportunity.

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Earlier, when there was talk she was going to get roll,

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 2>people said no, no, no, if it's going to happen.

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 2>It'll happen in July, and it'll happen after the national conference.

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:10.280
<v Speaker 3>Are they still talking?

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Ben Allen as Ben Ben Carroll? I've got football on

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 2>my brain, Ben Carroll. Is that the likely successor if

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:19.360
<v Speaker 2>it happens next week?

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, Carol's the only candidate. There's no real candidate from

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 14>the left. This senior cabinet minister Gabrielle Williams would be

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 14>the only kind of viable candidate from the left, but

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:33.800
<v Speaker 14>she's ruled herself out. The members of the left who

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 14>have been pursuing a challenge or wanted change, you know,

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 14>their immediate view after Carol kind of squibbed it a

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:46.200
<v Speaker 14>little over a month ago where he promised to Cinterra Allen,

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 14>he looked her in the eye and said he wouldn't challenge.

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 14>You know, they temporarily went off Carol. They kind of thought, oh,

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 14>he doesn't have what you know, he doesn't have what

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 14>it takes, he doesn't want it enough. But you know,

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 14>they're probably back on him just because there is no

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 14>other Canada that they want him to change.

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Let me just jump in there, let me just jump

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 2>in there. He can still take the top job and

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 2>be consistent with what he said if she falls on

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 2>her sword. So if the colleagues come and knock on

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 2>a door and say you've got to go, you've lost

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 2>your numbers, you're going to get rolled. It'll be humiliating.

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 2>We need you to resign, then he can keep faith

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>with that. And I presume you'll tell me this now, Anthony.

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:25.839
<v Speaker 3>I presume then.

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 2>You avoid that circus of having to canvas votes for

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 2>about four weeks. Isn't it between the caucus and Party

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:36.320
<v Speaker 2>faithful to elect a new leader.

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:42.839
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, yeah, that's totally right. That's why there's this talk

0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 14>of a cross factional delegation from senior members of the

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.280
<v Speaker 14>left and right to kind of go to just InterRail

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 14>and early next week and tell her it's all over.

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 14>That's what Carol wants. He wants to avoid all of

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:55.839
<v Speaker 14>that bloodbleedding.

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 2>I think he has two otherwise, rolling the female who

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:03.400
<v Speaker 2>hasn't even faced the electrode and given night, I think

0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the electroc is angry. They want to punish her themselves.

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a problem that Labor wants to avoid. Anthony,

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Thank you all right? Coming up, the billion dollar blowout,

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 2>multi billion dollar blow out of the battery scheme, and

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>most of those billions are being sent offshore to foreign manufacturers.

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 2>That's next.

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Welcoback coming up.

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 2>China calls on Labor to be a Taiwanese delegate from

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 2>its Adelaide conference. I mean, who's running the country is

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 2>at camera or Beijing. But First reports today that Labour's

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 2>home battery subsidy schemes blown out from two point three

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 2>billion this is over a four year budget period, to

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 2>an estimated eight point five billion, and the average subsidy

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 2>per battery has sowed some seventy five percent. Just to

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 2>make you even even crankier tonight, I'm sorry for this.

0:35:55.600 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Just three of the one hundred and thirty six approved

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 2>battery manufacturers, just three are Australian. Here to discuss it,

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:10.280
<v Speaker 2>the head of Energy the Center for Independent Studies, Ad Morrison, Well, Oka,

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>do you tell me this? I watched question time A

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 2>look at Chris Bow when he gets up in the

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 2>chamber and he bangs on about how successful this program

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>has been. Not once, as he said, the budget's blown

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:25.799
<v Speaker 2>out by almost three hundred percent, Not once, And he

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 2>doesn't say anything about most of his money being sent

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 2>to foreign manufacturers.

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.480
<v Speaker 12>Yeah, that's exactly right. He's absolutely proud of how much

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 12>money he's splashing around here. But there's a little bit

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:36.880
<v Speaker 12>of a correction I'd like to make to this story.

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 12>It's been said that this price has gone from two

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 12>point three billion dollars to seven or eight billion dollars.

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.359
<v Speaker 12>That's not actually correct the blowout. If you read through

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 12>the Manifo papers, the projection was to go to fourteen

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 12>billion dollars. The seven or eight billion dollar figure is

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 12>half of that had paired it back, right, So they

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 12>had a program that was expected to do two point

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 12>three billion dollars, it blew out to fourteen, and they

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.240
<v Speaker 12>paired it back in a green they would spend seven

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 12>or eight, okay, and now it's p to eight, so

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 12>it's blowing out even more beyond that level. So this

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 12>is an absolutely insane amount of money, and it's quite

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:12.879
<v Speaker 12>transparently clear now exactly how they did that, because they

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 12>priced their subsidy that was meant to be about thirty

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 12>percent of a battery on the most expensive premium battery

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.319
<v Speaker 12>they could find in the market, and they gave that

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:25.040
<v Speaker 12>same dollar figure to everyone. That upsides to very big

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.320
<v Speaker 12>batteries and very cheap manufacturers from China, which often paid

0:37:28.840 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 12>over sixty or seventy percent of the value of the battery.

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 12>And in fact, you could wind in a whole solar

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 12>system as well and still get more than half of

0:37:36.600 --> 0:37:40.240
<v Speaker 12>a giant solar and battery system covered by the government.

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 12>So that's why there was an absolute stampede, and the

0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 12>lobbyists from the Smart Energy Council that put it together

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 12>would have known exactly what they were doing. And this

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 12>has been the most absolutely profitable piece of lobbying for

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 12>the Chinese dominated battery industry that I think must have

0:37:57.440 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 12>happened anywhere and around the world globally.

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.080
<v Speaker 2>And we're talking when we get into all of this

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 2>stuff anyway. You know, Chinese dominate the solar panel market,

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:12.720
<v Speaker 2>the Chinese dominate the wind turbine market. And the problem

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 2>I have with the spend in this area, it's not

0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.280
<v Speaker 2>like a road which will last as decades. This stuff

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 2>has to be replaced. We get what fourteen years out

0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 2>of a wind turbine engine. We get maybe twenty twenty

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.240
<v Speaker 2>five out of solar panels. Fut of it takes probably

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>less if they're on the roof at home. And how

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 2>long do we get out of these batteries. We're not

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 2>buying batteries forever. How long do they last? On average?

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 12>Something like ten to fifteen years is probably what you

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 12>might get from a battery at the moment. That's the

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:41.279
<v Speaker 12>sort of level that you have for warranties at the moment,

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 12>ten maybe twelve. The very big commercial ones a little

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:47.200
<v Speaker 12>bit longer than that, So that's not that long compared

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 12>to most other energy infrastructure types like coal five power plants,

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 12>they're sort of planned to go for forty if you

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 12>maintain them well, or the refurbishments can go a lot

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:56.480
<v Speaker 12>longer than that as well. So this is pretty short

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.439
<v Speaker 12>to infrastructure, and so we haven't yet experienced the rush

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 12>of how to recycle or dispose of these things. And

0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:04.479
<v Speaker 12>that's what gets me really angry, because I have folks

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.720
<v Speaker 12>in the economics, because the experience of how to dispose

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 12>of this has not really been experienced, they just often

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:13.320
<v Speaker 12>assume that it costs nothing at the end of life cycle,

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 12>and the total system life costs of these are much

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<v Speaker 12>lower than they really are because we haven't got to

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<v Speaker 12>the end of life of the scale of batteries and

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<v Speaker 12>solar that we've really had, so could be an environmental

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<v Speaker 12>disaster and certainly economic disaster as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Not wrong, got to leave it there. It's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>shorter than I wanted tonight, but thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>We will stay on that one as well. My list,

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<v Speaker 2>my to do list is getting longer and longer every night.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, after the break, more on that extraordinary pressure

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<v Speaker 2>applied today from China to Labor to the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 2>about kicking out a Taiwanese attendee at the national conference.

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<v Speaker 3>And did you know this Li isn't to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Penny Wong, Well she's back bankrolling Gaza. After the break. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll come back to the International Panel in a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back, of course. I've got some breaking news for you.

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<v Speaker 2>There has been a letter written by Pauline Hansen two

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<v Speaker 2>opposition leader Angus Taylor. This is in relation to doctor

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<v Speaker 2>g Hard and the thirteen men we know that are

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<v Speaker 2>in prison in Iraq wanting we are told to return

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<v Speaker 2>to Australia. It's probably more of them elsewhere, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is what we know of in terms of Iraq, and

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<v Speaker 2>she has asked for a meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>With Angus Taylor. She says there is.

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<v Speaker 2>A commitment, an offer from one nation to support legislation

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<v Speaker 2>to keep these ISIS linked individuals out of Australia. She

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<v Speaker 2>says one nation will vote with the Coalition and any

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<v Speaker 2>piece of legislation that strengthens Australia's counter terrorism laws. She

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<v Speaker 2>also makes it very very clear that they will work

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<v Speaker 2>together with the Coalition to draft the legislation. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>just now gone from Pauline Hansen to Angus Taylors. Enough,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be taking out quick smart Okay, let's get into

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<v Speaker 2>it our international pad on our Sky News contributed Kosher Gada,

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<v Speaker 2>formerly Abor MP Michael Danby, welcome to you both. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot to talk about and a lot of it's got

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<v Speaker 2>internal labor ramifications, Michael, and there's no one better than

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<v Speaker 2>you to take us through them and ramifications for Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>You're watching as a stalwart of labor this conference and

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<v Speaker 2>adelaide I suspect with horror, not just about Israel, but

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<v Speaker 2>a whole manner of positions now that have been thrown

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<v Speaker 2>out by your ole party. Where they are now, I

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<v Speaker 2>think no better than the Greens on so many aspects,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly foreign policy, and even this weakness they have with China.

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<v Speaker 15>There's so many concessions being made in order to get

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<v Speaker 15>the left to a cree to put the Orchest deal through.

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<v Speaker 15>So that would be so embarrassing for Elbow and Wong

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<v Speaker 15>not to be able to continue to support that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's what it's about.

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<v Speaker 15>That even poor al Josh Burns being used as a

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<v Speaker 15>human shield by Penny Wong. It's all part of a

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.280
<v Speaker 15>strategy to keep the left on board. They've got the numbers.

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<v Speaker 15>The Labor Party is transformed, as I've been saying on

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<v Speaker 15>this station for years, from a mainstream center left party

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<v Speaker 15>to a policy party of the socialist left. Not quite

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<v Speaker 15>as bad as the DSA in the United States, but

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<v Speaker 15>nearly there.

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<v Speaker 2>And what do you make of the revelations that we

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<v Speaker 2>are back as taxpayers funding GATA, which let's call it

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<v Speaker 2>as it is. I mean gas is still really in

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 2>control of Harmas And even if they change their name,

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<v Speaker 2>it will be the same sort of individuals with the

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<v Speaker 2>same sort of ideology.

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<v Speaker 11>I think there's layers to the story, all of which

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<v Speaker 11>are infuriating. So the first is just government spending. There's

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<v Speaker 11>no respect for taxpayer dollars. That's why you've got a

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<v Speaker 11>trillion dollars in doubt is going in one direction then

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<v Speaker 11>you layer on top of that the Nruan and Hamas connection,

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<v Speaker 11>so they're either susceptible to lobbying for that, they're potentially

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<v Speaker 11>to bill to what the beast wants because it's a rapper,

0:43:03.840 --> 0:43:06.400
<v Speaker 11>sort of safe rapper. You can hide behind the un

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:08.520
<v Speaker 11>but you're actually pandering to that portion of the beast

0:43:08.560 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 11>that is much more favorable to that side, and it's

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.880
<v Speaker 11>sort of seen as a cheap political when with no

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 11>counterbalance for care for tax dollars, which I don't see

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<v Speaker 11>changing anytime soon, and sadly.

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<v Speaker 15>Always they believe in it themselves, which is part of

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<v Speaker 15>the story too.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you make of the Chinese government or official

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm certainly trying to punt a Taiwanese attendee from

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<v Speaker 2>the conference.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, the Taiwanese were marginalized as a general observer. I'm

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<v Speaker 15>glad they stopped the Chinese embassy from chucking them out.

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<v Speaker 15>They used to regularly come round to my office and

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<v Speaker 15>stand at the door and demand that I not meet

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 15>Tibetans or the Fallon Gong. Once I only went to

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<v Speaker 15>a Fellon Gong meeting because they demanded that I not

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<v Speaker 15>do it. People are counter suggestible in a democratic society.

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<v Speaker 15>But the real context is Dan Andrews and the pro China.

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<v Speaker 15>I'll be meeting it on the road to Mandalay, the

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 15>big mansion in in Sydney for a huge donation from

0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 15>that part of the political spectrum. And the fact that

0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 15>we have only two zero point one percent of Australian

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<v Speaker 15>GDP being spent on defense. If we really want to

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<v Speaker 15>send the Chinese a lesson about the missile tests over

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<v Speaker 15>the Pacific, increase the percentage in real terms to three percent,

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<v Speaker 15>Like all the NATO countries are being forced to.

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<v Speaker 2>Wong's remonstrations of China. How much is that real and

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<v Speaker 2>how much is that the show?

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<v Speaker 3>Peter.

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<v Speaker 15>She's going all over the Pacific. She's seeing that these

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<v Speaker 15>people are serious. She's probably being brief by dfact that

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 15>this is all real and all of her ideology and

0:44:48.560 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 15>the branch and the parliamentarians who've got no interest in

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 15>these kinds of things are not aware of all of

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:57.320
<v Speaker 15>the kinds of things that she's see. That ballistic missile

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<v Speaker 15>test right across the Pacific should scare the hell of anyone.

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<v Speaker 15>And I think she's being forced by reality to say

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<v Speaker 15>stronger things about China.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to Iran. I'll tell my viewers. I flew

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<v Speaker 2>home through Dubai, threw home through the Middle East, got

0:45:12.200 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 2>felt safe, felt absolutely safe. I trust the imorats. The

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:18.400
<v Speaker 2>player would not have taken off and we would not

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 2>have been able to land if it wasn't safe. What's

0:45:20.719 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 2>the latest there, what's the reed of this? I know

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<v Speaker 2>we've got big terms knocking on the door, but the US,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the avenues now appear to be closing, and.

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<v Speaker 11>The off ramp just gets narrower and narrower. But in

0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.480
<v Speaker 11>the last week or two it does look like present Trump,

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<v Speaker 11>despite all the opposition at home and the risks of

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<v Speaker 11>the midterms, is if not doubling down, I would say

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<v Speaker 11>one point fiving down on the military aspect of it.

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<v Speaker 11>Still definitely not wanting to do boots on the ground

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<v Speaker 11>because he knows that is political anathema, but everything else

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<v Speaker 11>to shore up the military angle. And on some level

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<v Speaker 11>it's a war of attrition. It's a waiting game where

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<v Speaker 11>Iran is aware of the domestic political pressures and it's

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<v Speaker 11>trying to run the clock out. Trump's calculation must be

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<v Speaker 11>that if we continue to do some meet them militarily

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<v Speaker 11>enough you'll reach that tipping point where they'll give up

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<v Speaker 11>or given And that seems to be a Hegh Stakes maneuver.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's where we are. Michael Gilda, no boots on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground.

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<v Speaker 15>But the worst thing for him would be to lose,

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<v Speaker 15>to run away from there with his tail between his legs.

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<v Speaker 15>Oil price is going up and the Uranians in control

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<v Speaker 15>of Straits of Humors. So Kosh is right. The bridge

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 15>off ramp is narrowing. But his only choice is to

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:31.000
<v Speaker 15>keep the pressure on the Uranians and the economic blockade.

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<v Speaker 15>That very brilliant Treasury secretary that Trump Scott is I

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<v Speaker 15>think the key way of forcing the Uranians into some

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<v Speaker 15>kind of reality.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just about out of time, but give me your

0:46:41.520 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 2>take on the Saudi deal won't work.

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.759
<v Speaker 15>Where goes Saudi Arabia goes the UA. In all of

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:51.759
<v Speaker 15>these other countries, nuclear proliferation is the worry, and it's

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 15>got to get to Congress and be approved. It'll be

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:57.040
<v Speaker 15>years before it happens. The Saudis are not the worst

0:46:57.280 --> 0:46:58.400
<v Speaker 15>element in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, all over there, thank you, that's it. Great

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<v Speaker 2>to be back. I've had a great week. I hope

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:07.399
<v Speaker 2>you've enjoyed having me back at the desk. I will

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<v Speaker 2>see you Monday. I'll give you a big wrap of

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<v Speaker 2>the ALP conference and more Up next to Andrew