WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 5 September 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:04.000 Live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.200 This is to Nika de Giorgio. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.360 Hello and welcome to the show coming up tonight. The 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:15.640 fallout from Dan Andrews's trip to China continues as Beijing's 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.840 puppet issues a bizarre defense of his propaganda tour. The 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.840 debate over our flag and why we need to stand 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.160 up to the left and fight for our values, and 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.040 Albow holds a late night call with Donald Trump, but 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.680 there's still no sign of an in person meeting. But 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.680 first tonight, what sort of a country do we want 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.680 to live in? It's something I've asked myself regularly, particularly 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.440 since October seven, twenty twenty three, because since then it 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:47.080 seems our values have been eroded daily by people who 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.080 walk among us and seem to hate us, and by 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.160 the left to are ashamed of our national pride. Now 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.800 it feels as if it's too far gone now in 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:01.040 the face of a changing Australia, because Wednesday should have 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.120 been a day of pride on National Raise the Flag Day, 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:08.040 the first time the flag was flown on the third 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.080 of September nineteen oh one. Instead, I believe it was 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:16.960 a flashpoint moment. It descended into an absolute farce and 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.759 was hijacked by lunatics like the Greens off the back 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.360 of Pro Australia marches at the weekend. Now, we have 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.319 so much to be proud about in this country, but 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:30.880 I believe we are at a juncture because now, if 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.560 you wave the Aussie flag, the left call you a racist. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.840 If you show pride in your country, the left call 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.040 you a racist. If you want to put Australia first, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.400 the left call you a xenophobe. 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:45.200 And if you question. 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:49.840 Rampant, out of control migration, well, don't even get me started. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:50.920 Yet. 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.120 We've brought people into this country, some who hate us 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.640 and our values and don't want to adapt to our 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.760 way of life. And we profess that multiculturalism has been 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.680 a success. Now I don't doubt it largely has. We 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.280 are a nation of migrants. But the common denominator in 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.040 this decade is we've brought in people whose values are 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:16.840 incompatible with Western democracies. And the weekend's Marches for Australia 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.800 proved just that. Thousands of everyday Aussies, mums and dads 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:22.320 took to the streets saying. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.280 Enough is enough, we want our country back. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.560 We are sick of our values being eroded, and because 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.320 a small number of Neo Nazis rocked up and were 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:32.760 booed by the masses. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:33.639 By the way, they. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.800 Didn't want these borrn individuals there. Everyone who attended was 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.520 painted with the same brush. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:44.240 Then the tone, of course of much of the rallies 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.800 was unfortunate is the best way that you could put it, 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.839 but hateful in some of the extreme examples. 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.480 Marine Feruki will speak more about the racist overtones of 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:57.320 these rallies. 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.720 The Andy immigrant rallies on the weekend must be called 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.960 out for what they are, acts of racist, fear mongering 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:06.680 and heat. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.040 I haven't seen a good fascist yet. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:14.000 We absolutely condemn the March for Australia rally that's going 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:18.000 on today. It is not about increasing social harmony now. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.960 When our leaders ignore real and genuine worries by everyday 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.840 Aussies by labeling them racist, it actually only gives life 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:30.520 to those who hold those extremist views. Yet, when these 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:34.639 flags aflown the Palestinian flag week in, week out, and 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.800 those of terror groups, the left don't even bat an eyelid, 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.200 They don't even care when the Aussie flag is set 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.400 alight by anti Israel protesters have a listen to Sarah 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.720 Hansome Young falling over herself. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:51.840 Do you can. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.280 Well it was her, Well, it wouldn't be her yesterday 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:00.640 speaking here on first edition on Sky News. And she 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.200 didn't have a comment to say about the flag. She 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:07.040 didn't want to talk about the Aussie flag being burnt. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:09.120 I mean, what sort of a country do we want 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.240 to live in? And she thinks that setting the flag 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.960 alight is dear to our democracy. Will tell that to 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.000 our brave soldiers who fought for us and continued to 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.560 do so under the Australian flag, so we can actually 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.640 have a freedom of democracy. And as I said, Wednesday 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.920 was a flashpoint. And here is how National. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.920 Raised the Flag Day played out in the Senate. 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.320 I was appalled by the footage of pro Palestinian protesters 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:34.880 burning our national flag. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.560 If it's okay for Senator Nampa Jimber Price to wrap 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.240 herself in this flag, I would intend to wrap myself 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:43.640 in a Palestinian flag. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.320 No flags to be worn in the chamber until the 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:51.760 matter has been resolved by the PROCEIDUREUS Committee. So it 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:52.839 asked you to take. 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.840 The flag off now, Thank goodness for two of only 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.760 a very small handful of politicians willing to show courage 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.040 on this issue. Senator just sent a Nampajip Price and 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.120 One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, two women who love their 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.160 country and aren't afraid to show it. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.280 We are told we can't display it. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.560 In our parliament on the one special day, which. 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:18.279 Is our Australian Flag Day. And that's how gus these 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.200 people are. And I warn people out there, you keep 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.240 voting for these bastards that actually don't have pride in 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:28.360 our country and Australian flag, then be prepared to get 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:29.359 what we're going to get. 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.239 And gee, we need more of that courage and conviction. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:34.560 But how do we get to a point where our 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.640 national flag is deemed offensive? The ABC even asked the 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.400 question this week what if. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:41.080 We changed it? 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:46.159 What if we changed the Australian flag? Is it time 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.960 for a fresh take? And how's the flag we've got 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.919 turned into something quite different from a flag of national pride? 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.480 And if that wasn't bad enough, it seems a public 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:02.000 broadcaster thinks our flag is a big skit. Here's it's 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:06.200 behind the news segment teaching children about national pride this week. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.440 There are still some mixed feelings about the flag. 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.239 What why? Well, for Sutter's there's the Union Jack. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.080 Oh, yes, you did say you'd flag this for later. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.960 To some, the British flag is an important symbol of 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.839 Australia's past, but for many First Nations people it's a 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.320 reminder of colonization and the loss of their land. And 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.640 a big percentage of Ossies don't have British ancestry, and 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:33.560 some reckon we'd be better off with the flag that 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:34.960 represents everyone. 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.760 Loss of their land, better off with a flag that 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.880 represents everyone. Well, how about teaching our kids to be 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.120 proud of one flag, not flooding them with woke ideology. 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.840 But it's politicians like Senator Price and Pauline Hansen who 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.120 understand how many of us think and feel about where 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:56.080 we're at because the quiet Australians have been left behind 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.719 by this bolting horse that is captured ideology as well 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:04.039 as self loathing under the guise of healthy and sustainable multiculturalism. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.560 And it's these voices like you at home who are 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.400 silenced by Labor and the Greens as they paint the 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:15.280 quiet Aussies as racist. National Senator Matt Canavan summed it 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:15.680 up well. 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:16.000 Today. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.440 He writes the isolated voices on our fringes are not 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.280 the greatest threat to our social harmony. It is the 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:27.280 powerful voices with our agenda to marginalize our unique Australian 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.440 way of life. And as I said, I feel we 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.880 are at a juncture and the only way to claw 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.720 it back from the left is to stand up proudly 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:36.720 for our values. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:39.679 Fly the flag, be proud of the flag. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:43.840 Don't be scared to show that pride, because we're all 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.960 Australian and we should be proud of that. And to 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.080 those who walk among us that aren't. 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:56.280 Proud, the door is open now. 0:07:56.320 --> 0:08:00.320 I thought China had its own mouthpieces to spread daily propaganda, 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.440 but it looks like there's a new player in town 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.840 to rival all of the megaphones. His name is Daniel Andrews, 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.240 Beijing's puppet, has released a statement on his national Chinese 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:15.360 propaganda tour defending his decision to attend the Tianaman Square 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.200 military parade and g This statement seemed like it was 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.240 written with Shijingping peering over his shoulder the form of 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.880 victorian premier says quote, I was invited to Beijing for 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:31.320 the eightieth anniversary of China's victory over Japan in World 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.440 War Two. Well, that was his first mistake, because just 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.920 because you were invited, it doesn't mean you are SVP. 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:40.160 Yes, does it. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.319 Even Australia's ambassador to China had the sense to turn 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.560 down the invite. He goes on to say, I've said 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.160 for years that a constructive relationship with China, our largest 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.840 trading partner, is in Australia's national interest and hundreds of 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.479 thousands of Australian jobs. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:56.959 Depend on it. 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:02.840 That hasn't changed. And that was his second mistake. Australia's 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.840 national interest? Was it in our national interest? 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:06.160 Dan? 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:10.280 When China sent spy ships our way, conducted live fire 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.840 drills off our coast, bullied US militarily and economically through tariffs, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.240 and he claims he was there in our national interest. 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.320 Now correct me if I'm wrong. 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:24.040 But Dan left office in twenty twenty three, making him 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:28.079 a private citizen. Therefore he's not there to represent us. 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.880 He's there to embarrass us on the world stage for 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:36.240 his own selfish purposes. Oh and on his decision to 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.920 pose in a delightful photo with the axis of evil 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.320 like Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, the president of Iran, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:43.320 and Shijing Ping. 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.800 Nope, no mention of that, just quote. 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.360 It was a chance to meet and engage with regional 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.360 leaders like former New Zealand Prime Ministers John Key and 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:56.480 Helen Clark, Malaysian Prime Minister Anwa Ibrahim, and of course 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:02.559 Chinese President she We also shared an official photograph. Well look, 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.880 he must think that we haven't seen the image, I mean, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.920 never mind the axis of evil I met with John 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.360 Key and Helen Clarky says, so that's it, But you 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:11.160 are right down. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.319 You did share in an official photograph. So let's zoom 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:14.760 in on it. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.800 There you were a few paces behind North Korean leader 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.600 Kim John Lull, among others, responsible for human rights abuses 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:25.080 and terror attacks on home soil. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:27.280 So what's his excuse? 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.080 Just to clear up any confusion, he says, I have 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.040 condemned Putin and he's a legal war in Ukraine from 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.520 day one. That's why he banned me from Russia last year. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.720 He goes on to say further, my support for Israel 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.800 and Australia's Jewish community has been outspoken and unwavering, and 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:48.040 I unequivocally condemn Iran for its attacks on Australia, Israel 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:53.120 and elsewhere around the world. So hang on, I condemned them, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.880 but I'll still pose with them in photos. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.680 Jee, good one, Dan, keep telling yourself that. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.960 In fact, I think former Home Affairs boss Mike Pozzolo 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.920 summed it up best on Sky News today. 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.440 All they could get from liberal democracies are Dan Andrews 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.000 and John Key. I don't want to be disrespectful to 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.440 the two gentlemen, but I suspect most of the spectators 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.800 would have had to have had bio notes and looking up, 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.080 who are these guys? Don't know who they are? That's 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:22.920 the best they could do. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:24.600 It's not wrong. 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.679 The best China could do was Dan Andrews. Gee, isn't 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:37.440 that tragic? Let's go straight to Shadow Cabinet Secretary Andrew Wallace. Now, Andrew, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.319 good to see you as always. Well, let's start with 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.000 Dan Andrews. His mere presence is excited China. He's even 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:47.040 appeared front and center today in Beijing's propaganda machine, which 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:51.040 has quoted Daniel Andrews in the Communist Party's flagship Daily 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.920 as being deeply honored to attend President Shiji Ping's military parade. 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.360 How would you describe the former premius trip over there? 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:07.040 Well, I'm absolutely speechless, Danika. I mean, every politician knows 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.600 you need to be very careful about who you get 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.840 happy snaps with. And for Daniel Andrews to be over 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.040 in China sharing the red carpet with the likes of 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:23.600 Putin and Xi and the North Korean president Kim Jong wun, 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:28.079 it just absolutely defies boif. I mean, even the Australian 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.000 ambassador had the good sense to be two hundred kilometers 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:35.640 away at the time of this parade, which was absolutely 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.160 sending a signal to the Western world about the rise 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:42.680 of the military strength of China. And there's the former 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.559 Premier of Victoria cozing up to the three of them. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.559 It is I mean, can you imagine how Voladimir Zelenski, 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:56.640 how how the leaders of countries that have been absolutely 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:02.320 attacked by countries like Russia. How do our Australian Ukrainian 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.360 community feel about that? How does the Australian Tibetan community 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:10.880 feel that one of our former premiers is now closing 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.240 up to these despots. I just cannot believe it. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.800 I just honestly, I think it was just shocking from 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.480 the very beginning, and then his statement that he released 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:23.200 yesterday was just equally as appalling. There was no accountability 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.360 for what he has done. There was just no sense, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.640 no recognition. I just think it's absurd. Now, look, let's 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.560 move on. Because Anthony Arbernezi has spoken with Donald Trump 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.160 for the fourth time since the president was re elected 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.000 in November. The PM said he had another warm and 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.600 constructive conversation with President Trump. He says, we discussed our 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:44.160 trade and economic relationship, as well as areas for growth, 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:49.079 including critical minerals. We also discuss shared US Australia security interests. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.400 Kevin rud was certainly eager to weigh in. He said, 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.480 lots going on in the US Australia relationship and going 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:56.680 from strength to strength. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.720 Andrew so another corps but no meeting yet. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.920 But does this give you some hope that maybe a 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.440 face to face is on the way. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.520 We look, it's really hard to judge what's going on 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.600 from here, Danika, but I suspect this was an attempt 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.520 by the Prime Minister's office to try and sound the 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.960 President out as to how that interaction may go if 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.080 there is a face to face at the General Assembly 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:29.040 meeting in a week or so's time. I think that 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.160 the Prime Minister's team is absolutely driven to try and 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.920 ensure that there's not a repeat of the sort of 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.920 embarrassment that we saw with the President and President Zelenski 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.200 of the Ukraine. And whether this was some sort of 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.200 ham fisted attempt by the Prime Minister's office just to 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.000 try and test the waters to see what does he 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.080 love me? Does he love the Prime Minister? I'm not 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.440 quite sure, but the reality is it's now been three 0:14:55.560 --> 0:15:00.080 hundred and three days since President Trump took office. We 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.760 are supposed to be one of, if not the closest 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.120 partner of the United States. Everybody seems just about every 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.880 allied country their leader has met with President Trump in 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:17.200 person some several occasions, and yet there's been no face 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:22.480 to face with our Prime minister. So it's really it's 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.320 getting it's going from bizarre to quite sort of cringe 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.200 worthy and embarrassing. Now as to what's going on, is 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:34.800 the relationship breaking down, is that the Prime Minister doesn't 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.720 want to be seen with him. I don't know, I 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.360 mean he certainly people need to realize that the Prime 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:46.520 Minister absolutely singled Peter Dutton out and tried to say 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.200 to the Australian people and the lead up to the 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.520 last election that Peter Dutton was Trump like, and clearly 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.640 that information has got back to President Trump and I 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.360 can't see that that would have gone over to well. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.360 Well you mentioned it's embarrassing. Yeah, it's also embarrassing that 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.160 the Prime Minister now has to rely on a series 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.320 of upcoming summits in the hope that he will actually 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.720 bump into the President, in the hope of having some 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.600 sort of face to face meeting. It's really tragic. We're 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.960 almost out of time. Just very quickly. I want to 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.400 ask you about the social media band for under sixteens. 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.160 It's now going to take effect in less than one 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:18.920 hundred days. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:20.160 The problem is is. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.160 That we still don't have any detail Andre on how 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:23.960 this is actually. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:24.400 Going to work. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:27.680 You're right. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.720 I had a delegation of the Let Them Be Kids 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.880 into my Parliamentary office a couple of days ago. Families 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.840 of children who've taken their own lives because of the 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.840 bullying on social media, people like Emma Mason came to 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.680 see me and they're all saying that there and the 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.200 reality is there is just no detail from this government 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.760 about how this is going to work. We want this 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.600 to work we think it's a really important initiative. The 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.000 Coalition led the initiative, but with less than one hundred 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:05.000 days till the start of this band, the government has 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.520 provided no details on how it's going to work, nor 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:14.359 have they provided any material evidence whatsoever about education programs 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:18.680 for instance, for schools or parents or the kids themselves. 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:22.159 It's really it's very concerning for parents because they just 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.680 don't know how this is going to work, how it's 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.679 going to operate, and I just hope that the government 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.160 gets their act together very very quickly. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.280 Well, well, it's also concerning I think for every day Aussies. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.479 I mean, we are going to have to produce an 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.240 ID to go online. Now, what's going to happen with 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.080 that information? That's certainly my concern. Andrew Wallace, we've got 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.800 to leave it there. Thanks very much for joining me 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:42.800 on the show as always. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:43.639 Well. 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.320 A Twitter post about biological men claiming to be women 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.479 has seen the comedy writer of Father Ted Graham Lynon 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.000 arrested upon landing in the UK. In one of the posts, 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.760 he said, quota, if a trans identified male is in 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.159 a female only space, he is committing a violent you 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.080 sacked making make a scene call the cops and if 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:05.560 all else fails, punch him in the balls. 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.280 Well gee, it's hard to argue with that, is it. 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.639 But the UK's censorship laws are gagging every day Brits 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:16.280 and completely destroying free speech. And so Graham Lynon rocked 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.240 up at court overnight the very best way he could 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.520 have a look at this, swearing a there's no such 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.040 thing as a transgender child sign. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:24.840 How good. 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:27.879 Now, one person who knows all about being censored and 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.520 being taken to court for speaking out about this very 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.440 issue is Giggle founder Sal Grover, and she joins me, Now, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:34.760 so nice to see you. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:35.639 Thanks for joining me. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.399 So this trans ideology it's not only infiltrated society but 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:40.160 law courts. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:41.240 You know that firsthand. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.359 And of course it's in the laws, and you speak 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.080 out about it and look what happens. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:48.600 Yeah, I mean, thank you so much for having me. 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.439 First of all, it's great to see you, But I 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.960 mean I'm really lucky I get to call Graham a friend. 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:57.399 I've spoken to him since he was arrested. For anyone 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.240 who's watching this issue proof really they me think think 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.600 that the Graham issue is a one of No, he's 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.280 just actually the most high profile example that has happened. 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:12.760 I mean women especially have been people had their lives 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.720 turned upside down around this issue and had been going 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:19.760 to court for years, years. I mean, it almost makes 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.760 that sixteen hour arrest feel like a sanctuary in comparison. 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.439 I mean in Australia, just in the past week, Curly Smith, 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:31.199 a mother and the spokesman for binary was told that 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.960 she had unlawfully villified a man who claims to be 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:38.080 a woman, purely because she disagrees with him being on 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.360 a woman's sports team and spoke out about it publicly, 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.159 which is her job. She is facing two hundred thousand 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.040 dollars of fines. So this is happening in this country. 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.360 It's not just in the UK or in America, where 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.679 we can look to other countries being crazy. If I 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.080 was to make an argument, I would say, actually Australia 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.960 is the craziest country on this issue. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.480 Yeah, we are so far behind the rest of the world. 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:01.879 And actually I want to talk to you about that 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.840 because the other question that seems to be very difficult 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:06.600 to answer is what is a woman? And you and 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.159 I know the answer to that, which I don't know. 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.760 Sal it might make us geniuses or bigots. I guess 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.320 it depends on who you ask these days. But One 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.439 Nation leader Pauline Hanson, is pushing to restore the legal 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:20.320 definition of a woman. But she asked the Minister for Women, 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.600 Katie Gallagher, in the Senate this week, what measures the 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.040 government was taking to ensure women's rights are being protected 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:27.160 from transactivism. 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:28.160 And here was the answer. 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.439 The issues you raised have not been raised with me 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.960 as Minister for Women by all of the range of 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.200 stakeholders I deal with on a day to day basis 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:43.480 around addressing women's policy and about driving gender equality. That's 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.520 apposition this government takes. 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.880 Sus claims that no stakeholders have ever raised it with her. 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:50.400 What do you make of that response? 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:54.560 Well, I am happy to resend my emails to her. 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.639 She would like to, but in the manner of moving 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.440 this issue forward. I actually emailed her this week after 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.840 she said that on the Senate floor, and you will 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.840 be shocked to find out that she has not responded 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.720 to me. I have to meet with her to talk 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.679 about this. As a stakeholder in this issue. She spoke 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:18.760 on the Senate floor about you know, economic equality for women. 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:25.040 My livelihood has been destroyed because men who claim men 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.639 are claiming to be women and the government is supporting 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.760 them in that I created a space exclusively for women, 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.640 and I can't run it because of the Sex Discrimination 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.960 Commission and the federal courts interpretation of the law. So 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:40.639 I mean she would have to be living under a 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.240