WEBVTT - Hamish Blake on Co-Creating Australia’s no.1 Podcast, Parenting & What’s Important in Life 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.880 Hamish Blake. Well, straight talk mate, Thanks, Now, this is 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.160 very straight this joint. You were comfortable that. 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:08.480 I mean I did really sort of a chuckle there, 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.840 but that will be it for the That's it now. 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.800 It's just straight talk, nothing lose. I don't think many 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.080 people really know about your background, Like, you know, where'd 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:17.520 you grow up? 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:20.440 I grew up in Melbourne. I'm a Melbourne boys, sort 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:24.200 of southeastern suburbs glen Waverley. Is that a good area 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:28.600 it is now but almost perfectly timed by the Blake 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.720 family too. We got in in nineteen eighty, held on 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.120 for twenty years. House prices went sideways for twenty years 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.560 that we got out just before the boot A good time. 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.800 It's super popular because there's like, you know, good schools 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.800 and stuff out there. But when I grew up it 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.120 was I look had a great time. It was a 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:52.840 pure kind of like suburban you know, especially like those 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:57.040 early years before teens. And then then I moved schools 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:58.400 a couple of times, like I ended up going to 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.800 school still in Melbourne, but like way down like Bayside 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.080 area we moved to. So but I had a pretty 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.000 fun childred. I've been thinking about my childhood a lot 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.800 later because I'm trying to explain to my kids, like 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:15.560 just really what boredom is and how it's good for 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.160 you and how it makes you imagine things and you 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.640 have to you know, just explaining to them, like we 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.720 didn't have screen time, not because our parents were like 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.960 you can't have screen times. Like we physically couldn't have 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.959 screen time. We didn't have screens. And the one screen 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.240 in the house we had wasn't showing shit for kids, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.360 so like we couldn't have it. We could watch the microwave, 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.160 we could, like, we just didn't have screens, guys. So 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.119 just trying to get the kids now, like what did 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.120 you do? I was like, well, I remember, you know, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:46.800 I speaking to my little boy, who's eleven. I was 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.440 like number one summer around, you know. I was about 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.640 your age, Like we just ride bikes all the time, 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.880 like you just you know, that was the perfect childhood 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.200 and just get home and be back by dark. I 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.400 was like there was a building site nearby that must 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.800 have run into financial problems or whatever because it was 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.640 just a stalled building site for months. And I was 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.800 like they had builders sand and like clay there and 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.760 we're just chuck lumps of clay at each other. I'm like, 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:13.760 and that was that was great, that that was how 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.240 that was our time. We did not need complicated stuff. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.360 So what does your son say to that? That's very 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:21.119 interesting because you know today they're entertained all the time, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:21.639 all the time. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.280 And I fight against this as well, but you know 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.560 that's this is the way of the world. But you know, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:30.839 he's eleven now, so I know we haven't hit the 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:32.960 the waters starting to get a little bit choppy, but 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.440 we haven't hit the full rapids of the teenage years yet. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.280 That is a big thing for me actually as a dad, 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:41.720 is trying to just do things that are just connected 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:48.520 to either just nature or just for the fun of adventure, 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.639 rather than being stuck inside or stuck on a screen. 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:53.760 Do you do this to make sure that you can 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.440 try and try to help your kids develop the need 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.480 to become creative as a result of being bored, you know, 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:02.600 go and pick up the clay and perform it through 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:03.920 each other. I mean that's creativity. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.760 That is creativity, and we all have it in us. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:11.680 You know. It's also just that letting creating the conditions 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.760 for imagination, Like I think play and imagination is a 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:16.680 huge It's a huge part of childhood, but I think 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:18.000 it's a huge part of life, like it is a 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.280 big part of what my professional career is. I think 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.320 kind of trying to hang on to that part of 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:29.120 your childhood that's imaginative and playful and just doing things 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.920 literally just for fun. You know that when you're a kid, 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.240 doing things just for the fun of it seems like 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.320 a good enough goal for an activity. And then as 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.320 we get older, doing things just for the fun of it, 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.360 well it just seems you know, it's regardless, that's frivolous, 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:45.520 that's like, well, there's more important things to do. But 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:47.720 I do think doing things just for the fun of 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.000 it should be is a high is high on the 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:52.680 hierarchy of importance, like you should do things just for 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.200 the fun of it. So yeah, as a as a parent, 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.600 like I think especially with little kids, and I again 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.400 i'm kind of really with any experience of what it's 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.080 like to have a child up to the age of eleven, 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:08.400 but just creating the conditions for them to be imaginative, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.320 I think sometimes that's all you need. I was really 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:12.600 guilty of it too, especially when my little boy was young. 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:14.600 Did all the stuff, Like you know, I remember buying 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.960 him a Lego set that this was before the leg 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.240 the Lego Show came along. I was gonna say, then 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.080 I got Lego for free. I don't actually I still 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:24.440 have to buy it, but people think I get it 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:25.000 for free. 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.120 So you pick a little piece up every now in 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:27.360 the store. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:28.960 I steal a lot from the show. But yeah, but 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.480 then when people see me with a set, they're like, oh, God, 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.880 must be nice, you know, get free Lego, And I go, yeah, 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:35.760 I do, and I don't know. I have to buy 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.880 it from came up like everyone else. But I remember 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.440 my boy and like he loved Batman and I bought 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:43.440 him this like you know, quite complicated Batman twelve year 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.520 old one for a few like a fifteen year old, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:46.920 and I was like a Batman bill that split into 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:48.880 four pieces and I loved it. So I was like, yeah, 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.600 this is awesome. And he's five, and I'm like, you're 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.240 a very smart five year old, like we'll sort this 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.039 out together. And of course it's just like way too much. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.839 I don't think he could even do small Lego at 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.480 that stage you're still kind of on duplo. I remember, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.640 like it was a great parenting lesson because I forced 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:05.880 it a bit. He really didn't want to do it 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.320 was getting a bit angsty. I ended up having to 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.719 like spend boxing day on the twenty seventh of December 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.880 building it. And then I looked over and he had 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:17.640 made out of duplow like ten bricks stuck together and 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.240 he's zooming it around and he's like, I've made this 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.640 is the batmobile. And I was like, yeah, of course, 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:24.400 that's what you meant to do when you five just 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.560 put ten things together and it's in your head. It's 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:31.040 in your imagination. So I love that about kids in 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.080 general and my kids, and I think, yeah, I think 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.960 it's you know, as much as we can, I reckon. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.400 That's the antidote to kind of you know, that's the antidote. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.440 Screen time is and letting him have the space and 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:47.200 the time to just imagine things and draw and just 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:49.520 you know, tinker around in nature. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.360 It's interesting to talk about nature, and I know you 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.360 talk about natural things, but you know, we all talk 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.279 about nature and nurture. As a kid, yourself, homish, what 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.160 do you think you got from your parents in a 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:00.919 natural sense? 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:09.360 Question? My mum was incredibly is incredibly loving and caring, 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.279 and so I think I think in terms of the 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:17.400 nurture and Mum's Mum was a you know, a literature teacher, 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.279 you know, loved you know, I was like, you know, 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.640 I was trying to teach a Shakespeare and stuff when 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.279 we're in year six, which we weren't interesting. But I 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.479 do look back and I go, Mum, the cultured side 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:30.840 of Mum had a real impact too, you know, She's 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.120 it's that funny thing of like, no six year old 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.920 really cares about opera, but if it is, if you're 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.600 being shown these things, it has some kind of an 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:45.760 impact on you, particularly later on you've got some you say, mum. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.880 Mum had that side. It wasn't really forced down a throat. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.960 But when I think back to it, I'm like, yes, 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:55.159 somehow I know Vivaldi's Four Seasons and I never learned 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:56.919 an instrument or play it, but like it was, you know, 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.320 that was the kind of stuff mum, you know around 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.920 So Mum was that the intelligence side. I think Mum 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.279 was always very very keen for us to to sort 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:09.040 of intellectually expand ourselves as much as we could, and 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.960 but was also extremely loving and kind and Dad in 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:19.440 a funny way, in a funny way, this, this is this, 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:24.120 this sounds a bit in the inaccurate. I think I 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:29.080 got my sense of humor from Dad, but almost because 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.760 I was trying to get a rise out of him, 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.880 because he was quite It's not as he's not serious, 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.400 but he was. He was, you know, focused on what 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.840 he had to do, like Dad. So Dad worked for 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.560 most of his life, like he worked with my grandpa 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.400 farming until until I was kind of like five or 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.720 six that had farms like on the outskirts of Melbourne, 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:53.080 like cattle farms and market garden. And then Dad got 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:56.200 out of farming and he was he was doing irrigation, 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.800 so putting in like big large level like sprinkler systems 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.680 and you know, basic digging. It was just in the 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:03.960 dirt all day, like digging the hall and pipes and stuff. 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.160 So Dad was like, you know, he's he's driving a you. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.680 He's always outside loading the you up with you tools 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.160 and diggers and pipes out of the shed. And like 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:17.720 Dad had big jobs going on, and so you know, 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.080 and I've always just wanted to make people laugh. I 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.280 don't know where that comes from, but I've just always 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:25.360 thought that. You know, I'm always just in any situation 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.760 looking for what's the funniest thing that could happen here. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.040 So I'm trying to make Dad laugh. He's not in 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.080 the mood, but I know it's in there somewhere. 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:33.000 I'm going to find it. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.360 Basically, just trying to like needle it out of him 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.040 the whole time. And so then if they did crack him, 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.280 I was like, yeah, great, this is good. I'm getting 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.880 to him. And so it's not like he didn't want 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.760 to have fun, but he was just busy doing other shit, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.240 but serious with his work, serious with his work. In 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.479 terms of the nature nurture. I was saying that somehow 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.880 it was in my nature to maybe be wanting to 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.960 you know, like comedy was in my nature. And so 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.840 it was like Dad it but he was like good 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.720 resistance training for it. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.240 But did you get a rise out of me? I mean, 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:07.800 like you've got him to react to. 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.600 Laugh, going to react and so and it's that funny thing, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.480 like I think it's not unusual for comedians or people 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.520 in the comedy world to boil it down like we're 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.520 all trying to get attention. Really, like it is a 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.040 bit of an attention economy now it is, it is, 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.280 and but I think comedy has always had that aspect. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.480 I think if people got really honest, most you know, 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:29.640 anyone is there is like, oh yeah, there's someone in 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:31.520 their life they're trying to get the attention of. And 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.240 it was probably my dad. I mean probably there's still 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:35.960 a little part of me that's that little boy trying 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:36.800 to get these dat's attention. 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:41.640 I mean, you guys have been extraordinarily successful over a 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.440 long period of time, so you know, you success can 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:45.920 be measured lots of different ways, but for me, one 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.480 of the really important ways of measuring success is being 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:53.240 able to evolve perhaps or stay relevant in anyway and 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.440 have different types of shows over a long period of time. 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.160 And you guys have been extraordinarily good at that. What 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:04.600 role does curiosity play because jurisum me is really important? Well, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.560 as a businessman, I'm a business funny hundred you're funny. 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.880 Yeah, But I think exactly the same thing though, because 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.560 you're being led by what interests you and man, I 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.240 think when you do it with the reverse, that's when 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:21.560 trouble starts. Because I think that's very kind of you 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.839 to say, like we've evolved and adapted. But it would 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.240 be wrong, I think would be wrong for people to 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:28.880 hear that, to be like, oh, we saw a trend 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.360 coming and we moved to it, because I don't think 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.840 that ever works, because then you're following what you are 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.880 assuming to be other people's interests and hoping you match them, 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.240 and you can't lose you lose connection with your inner voice. 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:41.319 And there's nothing unique either. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.160 Yeah, you're not curious anymore. You just trying to do 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:47.480 the best job fitting in. And so for Ferrando and 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:51.160 I together and then and then even separately, the one 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.160 thing we've always prought ourselves on is going there's no 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.560 guarantees in any of this. There was never a guarantee 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.640 when we started, Like it just you just don't have 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.640 any guarantee. It's like you're putting things out there and 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.960 hoping it connects with an audience, and if it does, 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.640 that's great, and if it doesn't, well, I'd still rather 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.440 have put it out there and tried it anyway than not. 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.240 But there's just no guarantee. The only thing you can control, 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.160 like if you look at it from that perspective, like, 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.640 the one controllable you can control is is this interesting 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.080 to us, like is this interesting? And are we curious 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.199 about this? And curiousity is such a good word for it, 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.280 because you're like you're being led by what you think 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.400 is other funny, interesting, or just a fun way to 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:31.000 spend your day and in the pursuit of, you know, 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.280 an interesting problem to solve, Like a lot of TV 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:38.200 shows and even with the podcasts we do and separate stuff, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.400 I'd say you could classify all those things as interesting 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.000 problems to solve, like something like Lego Masters. If I 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.000 look at an episode, I go, all right, what's this 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:52.320 episode about? How can we solve the presenting of this? 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.200 Like how can we solve communicating this to the audience 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.640 in the funnest, most interesting way? Like that's kind of 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.240 how my brain would think about my job regard And 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.360 same with the podcast with Andy, Like every week we 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:06.600 get together on the Hamishanny podcast and go, what's the 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:11.480 what's the funnest thing we could do? What's the thing 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.040 that would excite us the most that we think would 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.200 also bring our audience along for the ride, because we 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:21.760 know if we're excited and where passionate, that's the best 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:23.840 bet we've got. Like that, we do think that's the 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:25.560 best way to kind of connect with your audience. So 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.840 long way of answering that question. But curiosity is huge 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.000 because it's your inner voice, like that's your gut. Your 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.720 gut is your curiosity, and if you're being led by that, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.160 I kind of think you can't go wrong because if 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.000 something hits, it's going to be the best kind of 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.920 content because it's authentically what you're interested in. And if 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.679 it doesn't hit, you can't still being true to yourself. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:48.320 So that's fine too. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:49.960 You know, it's funny. I was just when you're talking 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:51.400 to me, then I was seeing a bet my brother. 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.640 My brother's a lot younger than men. When he Leo 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.520 came in, there was a thing called Meccano. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.560 I'm contractually Nola had to play with. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.000 It was that they were sort of a competitor. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.400 Yeah, I don't know why Lego's worried about but no, no, 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.360 and I'm not just saying this because I'm a Lego boy. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:13.920 It's so shit. The big bolts on him sheets I 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.680 had one as I did too, because you know, a 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.120 well meaning auntie had given me the crane or something 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:20.840 made Ada mcconnough. I was like, oh my god, this 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:23.400 is like when you look at Lego. And again I'm 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:24.800 not being paid to say this, but I think we 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.840 can all agree the engineering of Lego is like quite amazing. 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:29.400 It's brilliant. 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.959 These things click together, they stick. If you want to 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.480 get really deep in at that little circle on top's 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.839 called a stud and the gap on the bottom of 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.800 a Lego, but it's called the anti stud. And the 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.720 pressure with which they connect is called the clutch power 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.320 of the brick. It's actually quite scientific. Anyway, they stick together. 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.440 It's easy. You go over to mccano, you literally have 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.600 to put mini bolts and was nuts. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.400 You know, you're screwing on well, and a lot of 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.000 people wuldn't even know what it was. And I remember 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.040 when then Lego came out and brought six years younger. 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.000 Then when Lego came out. One of the things I 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:02.280 know about my brother is he was very good at 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.240 the detail. Like he would sit for like a little 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:06.920 five year old kid or whatever. He would sit there 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:08.480 for hours and I was like ten or eleven, I'll 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:10.760 be looking at what the fuck you do? And he 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.600 would five six hours. He do it all day long. 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:17.319 And but what's interesting about that is my brother and 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.760 I now do business together and my brother's a lawyer 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.120 and he does all our legal stuff. 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:22.800 The detail guy. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:27.040 Yeah, And then I look at you and Andy Leo, Yeah, 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.520 are you the creative and here's the detailed guy? Or 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.000 is sometimes because that's how you might be presented, or 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.240 sometimes it is actually the reverse In real life. 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.160 I'd say, as we've got older, we've probably got better 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.920 at the other guy's discipline. Do you know what I mean? 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:41.400 Yeah? 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.080 The reason I do the show down is because I 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:45.840 think he's so fun. He makes me laugh so much, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.920 so it's not true to go I'm creative and he's not. 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.280 Because when he brings things, I you know, I love it, 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.680 Like we just make each other love. That's the that's 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.680 the lottery we've won, is we found this other person 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.080 that we just kind of have like a telepathy with 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.360 and we're just so aligned on what we think is 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.520 funny and a good adventure too. I think from the 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:11.640 moment we met. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:12.560 Like do you remember that moment? 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.280 Yeah, yeah, definitely, And it was at Melbourne UNI. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:17.240 What were you doing? 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.960 I took a year off and moved with my mum 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.120 to Sydney in the year two thousand. I come up 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:25.440 for the Olympics. I went to Synee and I was like, oh, 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:26.920 this should be fun. So I took a year off 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.040 and but and he went straight to You. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:30.800 Watch me sort of compete in the bits. 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.520 Yeah, a little bit late to get selection. I rolled 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.560 up as wild card, couldn't get I was like, maybe 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:37.320 I could do a shooting. 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:39.080 No. 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.960 I was just bumming around Sydney, just trying to sneak 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.320 into the beach holleyball and stuff, and it was it was. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:48.120 It was a great fun time. But Ander had gone 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:49.840 straight to UNI. Then I moved back to Melbourne to 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.320 go to Union. He had gone straight to UNI, and 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.880 one of my mates from high school had become friends 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.320 with him. Got called Pete, and Pete's like, oh, mate, 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:58.840 I reckon. You got to make this guy Andy like 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.720 he actually reminds me a lot of you. I reckon. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.480 You guys are get on. And so we really Opeede 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.640 a lot because yet me and Andy Mett and immediately we're 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.560 like best friends and probably cut Pete out a bit 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.800 and Pete out to go up and find some other people. 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:16.480 So apologies Nlsey, But yeah, no. Then we were like, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.440 you know, we were thick as thieves and I think 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.520 it was just sort of a sense of adventure that 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:28.080 we had with each other because we still talk and I, 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.240 in fact, the other day had a deep and meaningful 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.920 about this, like we still are interested in, like why 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:34.240 does this thing we do work? 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.400 Like how do we feel. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.480 About We do a lot of analyzing, and like great, 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.440 it's full of gratitude, like great for analyzing because we 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.640 know how lucky we are to have each other. But 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.200 one of the things we often talk about is we've 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.000 probably got a pretty similar risk appetite as well, like 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:55.720 we like to have a go at some big things, 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.920 and especially when we're in our teens and twenties, Like 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.400 that's exactly what you should be doing in your teens 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.760 and twenties, Like this idea of going of just having 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.560 a crack at things, And it made it so much 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:09.439 easier though, to have a mate doing it. Like I 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.000 think one of the things Andy gave me, especially in 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:16.080 my twenties, that I'm way more grateful for any of 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.520 the kind of like normal markers of success, like any 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:26.360 of the financial rewards or you know, career longevity. One 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.359 of the best gifts I reckon Andy gave me was 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:31.440 at that time in my life is you just sort 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.240 of just finding your feet coming out of your teenage 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:38.040 years into your twenties. But he was a catalyst for courage. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.080 I think, like you meet a best friend and then 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.320 you're like, all right, let's do it together. And I 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.480 am so grateful for that too, because you know when 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.159 you get a bit further down the track and it 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:48.880 will bit of gray in your beard. All you want 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.960 to do is tell people in their twenties just take 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:55.600 massive risks. Who cares, Like, just pedal as hard as 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.360 you can and to the extend you can be reckless, 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.800 not massive personal risks, like you're not massive careless risks, 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:06.640 but put yourself out there. Sorry, risk embarrassment, risk, risk 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:10.760 getting it wrong, risk, you know, humiliation. If you want 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:12.040 to have a business idea, if you want to have 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.000 a if you want to get up on stage, or 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.240 you want to release an album, or you want to 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.159 decide to be a dancer or whatever it is you 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.399 want to do, that's when you should do it in 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:25.359 your twenties because you've got the agility to bounce back 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.960 and it's always going to Any failure is going to 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:28.280 be great. 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.800 Lean into being vulnerable there, Yeah, who is a fuck yeah. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.159 Because but also come unfortunately well for me anyway, it 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:37.960 comes on at a time in your life where you 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.480 you're looking at the big wide world and you you 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:46.800 I definitely was at risk of going, you know, just 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.720