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Speaker 3: All right, let's do this, Okay, give me a bit

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Speaker 4: Of course, tough one yesterday, A tough one, buddy, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to do this break.

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Speaker 5: a good friend of ours, doctor Chris Brownie, joins us

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Speaker 5: now going on to Brownie.

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Speaker 8: A good morning, fitsy mate that goes those call just

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Speaker 8: they say so much, don't may I think everyone's right

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Speaker 8: behind you made it. There's been an incredibly tough time.

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Speaker 8: But instead of you're riding that rollercoaster that that so

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Speaker 8: many people do when they realize they've lost the glue,

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Speaker 8: the whole sort of the glue that fills those little

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Speaker 8: gaps in the family when you need them most.

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Speaker 5: Brownie, I don't know how you do it. We had

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Speaker 5: we had Amy last night at SASH. What a great

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Speaker 5: hospital Sash is, Brownie, that place is unbelievable and Amy

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Speaker 5: to guide us through it. And it was so hard

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Speaker 5: and bj My wife was so gutted, but she was

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Speaker 5: just so amazed. I don't know how you can do it, Brownie.

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Speaker 5: It must get so emotional your job sometimes.

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Speaker 8: Look, I guess the crazy thing is you get into

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Speaker 8: being a VT because you love animals and you want

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Speaker 8: you want the better for them, and it sometimes means

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Speaker 8: saying goodbye to them. And the only way you can

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Speaker 8: you can rationalize it, The only way you can you

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Speaker 8: can make sense of it is to see it as

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Speaker 8: being and it is. It's the final act of love,

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Speaker 8: the final final thing they need from you, Yeah, to

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Speaker 8: be able to go peacefully and give them the dignity

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Speaker 8: they need. And that in that moment where you can

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Speaker 8: say that, hey, you are a member of our family

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Speaker 8: and you've done everything you can for us, so now

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Speaker 8: we're doing everything we can for you, and they say

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Speaker 8: goodbye and they find peace. That's the most beautiful things.

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Speaker 4: The other hard part, I mean, what like FITZI found

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Speaker 4: himself in the situation yesterday, is that these things can

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Speaker 4: happen really quickly. You know, Cooper was you know, I

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Speaker 4: was looking at Fitzy's Instagram and the day before you

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Speaker 4: post it, he's got the tongue out in the side

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Speaker 4: of the mouth and he's having a good time. And

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Speaker 4: the next thing, you know, and this was similar to

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Speaker 4: our dog. It had a cancer in the stomach which

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Speaker 4: just overtook the body in the end. But you have

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Speaker 4: to try and make that decision on whether to treat

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Speaker 4: the life and what it will mean for the dog.

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Speaker 4: That must be hard for you as well to help,

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Speaker 4: you know, the us through that decision.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it is, it is, But at the same time

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Speaker 8: I find that it is actually one that that I

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Speaker 8: tend to put back on to the to the owners.

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Speaker 8: And you can give them all the facts. You can

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Speaker 8: give them all the science and the details around you know,

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Speaker 8: the fact that sure most stomach cancers are malignant, they're

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Speaker 8: not the good time. And so in that situation, the owners,

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Speaker 8: the people like fifty DJ, you guys, you know the

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Speaker 8: dog better than anyone else. You know when when that

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Speaker 8: look in their eyes says, you know what, I've done

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Speaker 8: everything I can. I've fought on for as long as

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Speaker 8: I possibly can. I've hidden this from you. I've tried

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Speaker 8: to see that strong dog that that's that source of

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Speaker 8: I need a rest. And they will tell you with

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Speaker 8: that that there is often only one decision we can make,

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Speaker 8: and it is the right decision, and you have to

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Speaker 8: believe that it's the right decisions completely, do you know?

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Speaker 5: It's funny talking about kids last night, and Brownie said

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Speaker 5: to me, mate, you don't realize how much of a profound,

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Speaker 5: you know, influence that that dog's had on your kids.

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Speaker 3: You won't see it until you know, after a one.

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Speaker 5: But it was Huey hugged bj last night's there and

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Speaker 5: said to her, he said to her, he said, mate, Mum,

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Speaker 5: I think I think Cooper's going to hang on to

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Speaker 5: his soul and I think he's going to hold onto

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Speaker 5: it to the next dog that we get and give

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Speaker 5: it to him.

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Speaker 3: So beautiful.

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Speaker 8: And that's the thing this that I see so many

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Speaker 8: times that the dogs and did it for me, and

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Speaker 8: it doesn't they did so many people, and especially young boys.

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Speaker 8: It teaches them. It teaches it in the most beautiful way,

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Speaker 8: the most sensitive and gentle way. He teaches us about

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Speaker 8: life and about love and about loss because it's often

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Speaker 8: that the first close, really close family member that they've

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Speaker 8: And when they have to say goodbye, it's like a

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Speaker 8: little package of life that's compartmentalized into you know, eight, nine, ten,

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Speaker 8: twelve years, and they see all the different stages and

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Speaker 8: then they have to learn how to stay goodbye. And

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Speaker 8: as hard as it is, it does teach you sensitivity.

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Speaker 8: It does teach you the fact that you have to

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Speaker 8: you can and what you get, what you give, you

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Speaker 8: get back in space. And so it is a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 8: It's a hard thing and a loss of my a

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Speaker 8: dog called Claude, which which was hard enough to bear

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Speaker 8: as a teenage boy in Newcastle. But when I lost

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Speaker 8: Claude the poodle, it broke me. But it's also what

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Speaker 8: it all means that you know you as a blunt

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Speaker 8: you understand things. And I think it's it's a beautiful

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Speaker 8: thing for human learning to experience the testing but it

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Speaker 8: is also beautiful, Brownie.

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Speaker 3: G you're a good catch. Brownie.

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Speaker 5: We've always said that, and you know, when our feelings

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Speaker 5: like this as well, you know, we always resort to

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Speaker 5: humor as well, Brownie, and it comes back to dating

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Speaker 5: life as well. And we just hope, just want to

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Speaker 5: say that you are such a good catch, mate, and.

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Speaker 4: I just hope you're out and about holding hands with

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Speaker 4: a girl these days. I haven't seen any photos any.

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Speaker 8: Mate, but I just know it's been very Who wouldn't know, Brownie.

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Speaker 3: We love you to death, mate.

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Speaker 5: You've been so good on this show and we appreciate

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Speaker 5: you coming on and saying that stuff all.

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Speaker 8: And and I'm sitting a big hug, mate. It's to

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Speaker 8: everyone else out there has been touched by it. It's

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Speaker 8: a it's a beautiful thing. It's a hard thing, but

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Speaker 8: it reminds you of what what pets provides to us,

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Speaker 8: and it's something that that is just the most beautiful thing.

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Speaker 8: And they give so much. It's the time where we

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Speaker 8: can give a little back, a little bit back emotionally.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Brownie, have a lovely day.

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Speaker 8: Thanks