1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apogay Production. 2 00:00:10,921 --> 00:00:14,081 Speaker 2: Welcome to the She Rises Podcast. I'm Ashley and I'm Tiana. 3 00:00:14,361 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 3: This podcast is about female empowerment and encouraging you to 4 00:00:17,361 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 3: be your biggest, boldest, and most authentic version of yourself. 5 00:00:20,961 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 2: We help you shed the shame, grow to a new level. 6 00:00:23,321 --> 00:00:26,241 Speaker 2: We're gonna laugh, cry, and talk about the topics everyone 7 00:00:26,281 --> 00:00:27,801 Speaker 2: else is too afraid to talk about. 8 00:00:28,401 --> 00:00:30,761 Speaker 3: Get ready for your next level of self. 9 00:00:31,121 --> 00:00:34,281 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back to She Rises. A Monday episode 10 00:00:34,321 --> 00:00:36,921 Speaker 2: a bit of a juicy one. But before we get in, 11 00:00:37,001 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: as always, we do a share of the Week where 12 00:00:38,681 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: we share something that we want to recommend that we've loved, 13 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:44,041 Speaker 2: we're obsessed with, enjoyed, So watch yours for the week. 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: Honestly, mine is Benson Boone. His music. 15 00:00:47,001 --> 00:00:48,961 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he seems like a legend. Do you know 16 00:00:49,001 --> 00:00:51,681 Speaker 2: he's only twenty two years old. Really he's so young? 17 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah I know that. 18 00:00:53,441 --> 00:00:55,241 Speaker 3: No, I don't know. I just like I've been really 19 00:00:55,241 --> 00:00:57,441 Speaker 3: loving his music at the moment, and I find when 20 00:00:57,481 --> 00:00:59,081 Speaker 3: I'm in the car and by myself, all I want 21 00:00:59,121 --> 00:01:00,561 Speaker 3: to do is put on his music and like jam 22 00:01:00,601 --> 00:01:03,161 Speaker 3: out and it honestly, it just like makes my day. 23 00:01:03,441 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: I highly recommend very cool. 24 00:01:06,041 --> 00:01:09,561 Speaker 2: Mine is an app called Headway. I beat myself up 25 00:01:09,601 --> 00:01:11,681 Speaker 2: for not reading as much as what I would like to. 26 00:01:12,161 --> 00:01:13,321 Speaker 2: I want to read more and I want to be 27 00:01:13,401 --> 00:01:15,281 Speaker 2: more self development books, but I just don't seem to 28 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,241 Speaker 2: get through them, but listening to them I find easier. 29 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: So I found this app and it basically any self 30 00:01:21,041 --> 00:01:24,321 Speaker 2: development book, any book. It condenses down, so instead of 31 00:01:24,321 --> 00:01:26,761 Speaker 2: it being a five hour book to listen to, it's 32 00:01:26,801 --> 00:01:29,521 Speaker 2: condensed down to fifteen minutes and it takes all the 33 00:01:29,521 --> 00:01:32,681 Speaker 2: best points, so it's bite sized chunks, which I love 34 00:01:32,681 --> 00:01:35,481 Speaker 2: in podcasts too, I'm all for a long podcast. We 35 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: do podcasting. I love an hour episode, but I think 36 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: it's a diary of the CEO. He'll take chunks from 37 00:01:40,321 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: a long episode and put it into ten minutes and 38 00:01:42,241 --> 00:01:43,801 Speaker 2: you can just get the best bits of it. So 39 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: it does this for a whole book. So I've already 40 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,081 Speaker 2: listened to like four ones around parenting, and it's just 41 00:01:48,081 --> 00:01:51,441 Speaker 2: got the best tips around parenting right having to listen 42 00:01:51,481 --> 00:01:54,201 Speaker 2: to the whole damn book. So Headway and there's obviously 43 00:01:54,241 --> 00:01:56,041 Speaker 2: you can choose whatever subject you like. You type in 44 00:01:56,041 --> 00:02:00,401 Speaker 2: the search bar, health, anxiety, parenting, whatever, and there's all 45 00:02:00,441 --> 00:02:02,681 Speaker 2: these books and you can just pay a subscription and 46 00:02:02,721 --> 00:02:05,001 Speaker 2: listen to them. Wow, headway really really good. 47 00:02:05,121 --> 00:02:06,001 Speaker 3: That's my share of the week. 48 00:02:06,001 --> 00:02:09,481 Speaker 2: Oh I love it all Right, let's get into today's episode. 49 00:02:09,721 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: So I've been online for over fifteen years now. I've 50 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,481 Speaker 2: shared a lot of my life, and as you guys know, 51 00:02:15,641 --> 00:02:17,921 Speaker 2: or if you knew here, I've had my fair share 52 00:02:18,001 --> 00:02:20,441 Speaker 2: of online trolls, online bullying, to the point where I 53 00:02:20,441 --> 00:02:22,961 Speaker 2: didn't even want to be here anymore. I felt suffocated, 54 00:02:23,001 --> 00:02:26,481 Speaker 2: I was drowning. It took over my life, really affected 55 00:02:26,481 --> 00:02:29,241 Speaker 2: my mental health, and I think it was when I 56 00:02:29,321 --> 00:02:33,001 Speaker 2: was going through it really intensely, cancer culture wasn't really 57 00:02:33,041 --> 00:02:35,081 Speaker 2: a thing. I felt like I was one of the first, 58 00:02:35,641 --> 00:02:37,561 Speaker 2: not the first, but I did feel like I was 59 00:02:37,921 --> 00:02:40,041 Speaker 2: in the early stage of that being a thing, so 60 00:02:40,201 --> 00:02:43,001 Speaker 2: I didn't really have anyone else to relate to the understood. 61 00:02:43,321 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: I remember going to events and asking other big influences. 62 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,241 Speaker 2: They're like, we get hate, but nothing like what you're getting. Wow. 63 00:02:49,361 --> 00:02:53,481 Speaker 2: Made me feel so alone and it was really affected 64 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,721 Speaker 2: my life. So nowadays it's quite common you see all 65 00:02:56,721 --> 00:02:59,641 Speaker 2: over TikTok, everyone having their opinions on people's lives, and 66 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,481 Speaker 2: it's this expectation of, Oh, you put your life out online, 67 00:03:04,041 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: you should expect hate. Yeah, no, you should not expect hate. 68 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: Being online does not mean that you have to verbally 69 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,601 Speaker 2: type out every single thought that you have. You can 70 00:03:13,641 --> 00:03:15,721 Speaker 2: easily scroll along or have event and bitch to your 71 00:03:15,721 --> 00:03:19,321 Speaker 2: best friend or your husband. But it's so normalized and 72 00:03:19,401 --> 00:03:22,201 Speaker 2: accepted that everyone can just have their two cents on 73 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: your life, on the way your parent, on the way 74 00:03:24,001 --> 00:03:26,601 Speaker 2: you look, on what you change, on what you decide 75 00:03:26,641 --> 00:03:29,201 Speaker 2: to do, how you live your life. And it's hard. 76 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,001 Speaker 2: So today's episode is all about Indie Clinton and what 77 00:03:33,041 --> 00:03:35,481 Speaker 2: she's actually doing to take a stance for online bullying. 78 00:03:36,201 --> 00:03:38,561 Speaker 2: And it's been really cool for me to follow along 79 00:03:38,721 --> 00:03:41,041 Speaker 2: and just see how brave she is because I just know, 80 00:03:41,441 --> 00:03:44,601 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm assuming the emotional mental headspace 81 00:03:44,641 --> 00:03:47,121 Speaker 2: she's in right now, I think is very similar to 82 00:03:47,121 --> 00:03:48,921 Speaker 2: where I was eight years ago. First of all, who 83 00:03:48,961 --> 00:03:50,801 Speaker 2: is Indie Clinton. She's a not on the influencer. She's 84 00:03:50,801 --> 00:03:53,081 Speaker 2: a mom of three. She shares her life, she shares 85 00:03:53,121 --> 00:03:56,521 Speaker 2: a chaotic day to day living in these vlogs, and 86 00:03:56,561 --> 00:03:58,281 Speaker 2: she shows her kids a lot, and that's how she's 87 00:03:58,361 --> 00:04:00,721 Speaker 2: gotten famous. She run Content Creative the Year last year 88 00:04:00,761 --> 00:04:03,521 Speaker 2: for the TikTok Awards. She's very very famous in Australia 89 00:04:03,561 --> 00:04:05,921 Speaker 2: and the world now like Rihanna flew over to America 90 00:04:05,921 --> 00:04:07,321 Speaker 2: to go to a fenty event. Oh wow. 91 00:04:07,441 --> 00:04:07,681 Speaker 4: Yeah. 92 00:04:08,201 --> 00:04:10,721 Speaker 2: Very well known, and she's just very authentic. She's very 93 00:04:11,001 --> 00:04:13,561 Speaker 2: I suppose controversial with the way that she parents. She's 94 00:04:14,321 --> 00:04:15,881 Speaker 2: I kind of let your kids do what they want 95 00:04:15,921 --> 00:04:17,801 Speaker 2: to do and figure it out and make mistakes, and 96 00:04:17,801 --> 00:04:20,081 Speaker 2: they're messy and they're loud, and I love it. I think, 97 00:04:20,161 --> 00:04:22,041 Speaker 2: just live your life, however, feels good for her. She's 98 00:04:22,121 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: unapologetically herself, but of course comes along with that a 99 00:04:25,961 --> 00:04:27,961 Speaker 2: lot of hate, a lot of people judging and criticizing 100 00:04:27,961 --> 00:04:30,881 Speaker 2: everything that she does. She recently had cosmetic surgery on 101 00:04:30,921 --> 00:04:34,681 Speaker 2: her nose, which she copped so much hate about, so 102 00:04:34,801 --> 00:04:37,241 Speaker 2: much hate, and it's I hate seeing it, like you 103 00:04:37,401 --> 00:04:39,521 Speaker 2: just be scrolling and they'll be everyone just having their 104 00:04:39,521 --> 00:04:41,841 Speaker 2: two cents on what she's doing with her life. And 105 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,681 Speaker 2: the bullying's gotten really, really bad. So a couple of 106 00:04:44,721 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: months ago, she decided to hire a private investigator to 107 00:04:48,561 --> 00:04:51,481 Speaker 2: find these faceless trolls online. 108 00:04:51,601 --> 00:04:54,801 Speaker 5: TikTok Creator of the Year and now potentially cyberbulling advocate 109 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,801 Speaker 5: in Ni Clinton sydy Internet into a stir yesterday by 110 00:04:57,841 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 5: posting a tich clok saying that she had a sixty 111 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,041 Speaker 5: four page report from a private investigator on all the 112 00:05:03,041 --> 00:05:06,401 Speaker 5: information about the people that have been harrassed her online. 113 00:05:06,481 --> 00:05:09,401 Speaker 5: She said that they have been bullying, defamed, and trolling her. 114 00:05:09,521 --> 00:05:10,801 Speaker 1: Let's break those three down. 115 00:05:10,921 --> 00:05:14,921 Speaker 5: Bullying and trolling being criminal, defaming being civil civil. We've 116 00:05:14,961 --> 00:05:17,121 Speaker 5: spoken about the course of action that she can take. 117 00:05:17,401 --> 00:05:21,121 Speaker 5: The elements of defamation have to be met. That's publication, loss, 118 00:05:21,201 --> 00:05:23,561 Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. It is a federal crime at 119 00:05:23,601 --> 00:05:26,801 Speaker 5: section four seven four dot seventeen of the Federal Criminal Code. 120 00:05:27,001 --> 00:05:27,241 Speaker 1: Two. 121 00:05:27,561 --> 00:05:30,681 Speaker 5: Let's read it using a carriage service to menace, harass, 122 00:05:30,761 --> 00:05:31,721 Speaker 5: or cause offense. 123 00:05:32,081 --> 00:05:34,921 Speaker 1: I think so bullying fulfills that six and one. 124 00:05:35,001 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 5: A person commits an offense if they use a carriage service, 125 00:05:37,361 --> 00:05:38,961 Speaker 5: and the person does so in a way where, whether 126 00:05:39,041 --> 00:05:41,241 Speaker 5: by the method of use or the content of the communication, 127 00:05:41,361 --> 00:05:43,361 Speaker 5: or both, that reasonable persons would regard as being in 128 00:05:43,481 --> 00:05:46,161 Speaker 5: all circumstances, menacing, harassing, or offensive. 129 00:05:46,401 --> 00:05:48,361 Speaker 1: Now Indy has complained about these mums. 130 00:05:48,401 --> 00:05:51,921 Speaker 5: I think that mount constantly putting negative content on the Internet. 131 00:05:52,241 --> 00:05:53,481 Speaker 1: She is in New South Wales. 132 00:05:54,121 --> 00:05:57,561 Speaker 5: She also has the New South Wales amendments called Dolly's Law. 133 00:05:57,761 --> 00:06:00,801 Speaker 5: Now Dolly's Law are the amendments to the Crimes Domestic 134 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 5: Personal Violence Act two thousand and seven. These came after 135 00:06:04,161 --> 00:06:07,961 Speaker 5: unfortunately Amy Dolly Everett, a fourteen year old girl and 136 00:06:08,041 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 5: alive to herself due to cyber bullying. 137 00:06:10,681 --> 00:06:12,121 Speaker 1: It is a serious thing to do. 138 00:06:12,241 --> 00:06:14,801 Speaker 5: People don't understand how farther comments go and how they 139 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,361 Speaker 5: negatively affect creators all other people on the other. 140 00:06:17,241 --> 00:06:17,841 Speaker 1: Side of the throne. 141 00:06:18,121 --> 00:06:20,481 Speaker 5: So New South Wales's government has stepped in and now 142 00:06:20,481 --> 00:06:22,841 Speaker 5: the maximum sentence that you can get is five years 143 00:06:22,841 --> 00:06:24,561 Speaker 5: in prison for committing these things. 144 00:06:24,641 --> 00:06:27,361 Speaker 3: This is actually something that she said on her stories. 145 00:06:27,481 --> 00:06:28,241 Speaker 3: You told me about this. 146 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,961 Speaker 2: Actually this is how I first heard about it. 147 00:06:30,161 --> 00:06:31,521 Speaker 3: I just want to share like a little bit of 148 00:06:31,521 --> 00:06:33,921 Speaker 3: a recording of her stories, and it was interesting what 149 00:06:33,961 --> 00:06:34,401 Speaker 3: she says. 150 00:06:34,601 --> 00:06:37,161 Speaker 6: A lot of you are from Melbourne, Victoria. 151 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,041 Speaker 1: Not all of you, but a lot of you are 152 00:06:39,081 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: from there. 153 00:06:39,761 --> 00:06:41,641 Speaker 6: I don't know if it was the COVID lockdowns that 154 00:06:41,721 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 6: brought this energy out in you, or if if you 155 00:06:44,241 --> 00:06:48,241 Speaker 6: were born this way, but it's very toxic. 156 00:06:48,281 --> 00:06:51,121 Speaker 4: Some of the information I found out many of you 157 00:06:51,201 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: are mothers, which I think is most surprising to me 158 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,721 Speaker 4: because I'm like, oh my god, no wonder if bullying 159 00:06:57,721 --> 00:06:59,961 Speaker 4: and cyber bullying never stops, because you literally just gave 160 00:07:00,001 --> 00:07:00,721 Speaker 4: birth to and. 161 00:07:00,721 --> 00:07:02,641 Speaker 6: Raising a bully because you're a bully, and how you 162 00:07:02,641 --> 00:07:06,961 Speaker 6: ever in a breakdown cycle anyway? That But I literally 163 00:07:07,041 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 6: know every detail, down to your ABN and down to 164 00:07:09,721 --> 00:07:12,801 Speaker 6: where you gave birth at Francis Pirie Hospital. 165 00:07:13,401 --> 00:07:16,201 Speaker 2: It carries on. She talks about other personal information that 166 00:07:16,241 --> 00:07:18,441 Speaker 2: she now knows about these people. But at the end 167 00:07:18,441 --> 00:07:20,441 Speaker 2: of the day, it's just like, you're not anonymous. You 168 00:07:20,441 --> 00:07:23,161 Speaker 2: can have your profile as user Underscore five three eight 169 00:07:23,281 --> 00:07:26,041 Speaker 2: five two three or whatever it is, and not have 170 00:07:26,081 --> 00:07:29,321 Speaker 2: a profile photo. But a private investigator apparently can find 171 00:07:29,321 --> 00:07:32,001 Speaker 2: you in as lul as five minutes, where you live, 172 00:07:32,161 --> 00:07:34,961 Speaker 2: your family, you're gynecologist, your accountant. 173 00:07:34,481 --> 00:07:37,161 Speaker 3: And so you go to wood So they should. 174 00:07:37,081 --> 00:07:40,081 Speaker 2: Because people think I've newly learned this. They think that 175 00:07:40,201 --> 00:07:44,001 Speaker 2: you can hide behind a fake profile, But as I've 176 00:07:44,041 --> 00:07:46,401 Speaker 2: now learned, it's very easier for a private investigator to 177 00:07:46,401 --> 00:07:49,561 Speaker 2: find out everything about that person, no doubt. So she 178 00:07:49,641 --> 00:07:52,041 Speaker 2: jumped on her Instagram stories. I don't really see her 179 00:07:52,081 --> 00:07:54,401 Speaker 2: stories that much. I'm w'n watch her on TikTok, and 180 00:07:54,481 --> 00:07:56,801 Speaker 2: she explained that the last couple of months she has 181 00:07:56,881 --> 00:08:00,001 Speaker 2: been investigating, well, the private investigator's been investigating her main 182 00:08:00,041 --> 00:08:01,881 Speaker 2: trolls that go on and try to destroy her life 183 00:08:01,921 --> 00:08:04,081 Speaker 2: and bring her down. And she knows where they live, 184 00:08:04,281 --> 00:08:06,921 Speaker 2: she knows what tide they have, she knows where they work, 185 00:08:07,401 --> 00:08:09,841 Speaker 2: they're family members, she knows everything about them. And she's 186 00:08:09,881 --> 00:08:12,241 Speaker 2: taking this whole situation to court, and she's not just 187 00:08:12,281 --> 00:08:14,001 Speaker 2: doing it for herself, but she's obviously doing it for 188 00:08:14,041 --> 00:08:16,321 Speaker 2: our younger generation. She has children. She doesn't want them 189 00:08:16,321 --> 00:08:18,521 Speaker 2: growing up in a world where this is just acceptable 190 00:08:18,761 --> 00:08:21,201 Speaker 2: and something you have to learn how to live with, 191 00:08:21,241 --> 00:08:23,001 Speaker 2: because you shouldn't have to learn to live with that 192 00:08:23,121 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: level of hate. And it's crazy to me too, because 193 00:08:26,601 --> 00:08:30,441 Speaker 2: when you are online, everyone wants you to be honest, raw, real, 194 00:08:30,721 --> 00:08:33,401 Speaker 2: don't lie, like, tell us all the details. But then 195 00:08:33,441 --> 00:08:35,961 Speaker 2: someone like her who is all of that, then you're 196 00:08:35,961 --> 00:08:39,201 Speaker 2: opening yourself up to so much judgment and criticism, and 197 00:08:39,241 --> 00:08:42,521 Speaker 2: you wonder why people just post a highlight reel. Yeah, 198 00:08:42,601 --> 00:08:45,361 Speaker 2: you're fucking scared because if they actually show what they're 199 00:08:45,361 --> 00:08:47,441 Speaker 2: going through, or they show what they've decided to do, 200 00:08:47,961 --> 00:08:50,001 Speaker 2: walk work they've gotten done, or anything like that that 201 00:08:50,041 --> 00:08:52,521 Speaker 2: everyone's nosy and wants to know. They cop shit for it. 202 00:08:53,361 --> 00:08:55,001 Speaker 2: So I really feel for it at the moment, but 203 00:08:55,041 --> 00:08:57,881 Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see where this goes. So there's 204 00:08:58,001 --> 00:09:00,161 Speaker 2: a couple of main gossip pages. I'm not even gonna 205 00:09:00,201 --> 00:09:01,921 Speaker 2: name what they are because anyone listening, I don't want 206 00:09:01,921 --> 00:09:03,481 Speaker 2: you to go have a look at them. You would 207 00:09:03,481 --> 00:09:05,961 Speaker 2: go in there for five minutes and your energy and 208 00:09:06,041 --> 00:09:08,801 Speaker 2: vibration would lower. It'd honestly feels sick at the shit 209 00:09:08,881 --> 00:09:10,681 Speaker 2: that you would read about the people that you love 210 00:09:10,761 --> 00:09:14,201 Speaker 2: to follow online. Any person that has an online profile 211 00:09:14,281 --> 00:09:17,281 Speaker 2: that is somewhat known, there will be hundreds of threads 212 00:09:17,321 --> 00:09:21,841 Speaker 2: about them about everything they do say where parent like, 213 00:09:21,881 --> 00:09:25,241 Speaker 2: literally it's disgusting. I have not been in there for years. 214 00:09:25,241 --> 00:09:27,761 Speaker 2: The only time I see something is if someone's screenshots 215 00:09:27,841 --> 00:09:30,081 Speaker 2: and sends it to me. For example, I have someone 216 00:09:30,121 --> 00:09:32,321 Speaker 2: that lives behind me that can see into my backyard, 217 00:09:32,561 --> 00:09:34,361 Speaker 2: so I was going to send all the screenshots of 218 00:09:34,401 --> 00:09:37,161 Speaker 2: what she was posting into this forum. She was saying 219 00:09:37,161 --> 00:09:39,321 Speaker 2: when my son went to school. She took photos of 220 00:09:39,361 --> 00:09:41,361 Speaker 2: my kids naked in our backyard because yes, my kids 221 00:09:41,361 --> 00:09:43,361 Speaker 2: were running around naked in the pool and whatever, the 222 00:09:43,481 --> 00:09:46,721 Speaker 2: photos of them. She knew when my cleaner arrived, she 223 00:09:46,801 --> 00:09:49,721 Speaker 2: knew when my nanny arrived. They have times of schedules. 224 00:09:50,001 --> 00:09:52,961 Speaker 2: That's so on the weekend I would sunbake topless. She 225 00:09:53,001 --> 00:09:55,401 Speaker 2: took photos of that. It's so friggin creepy. 226 00:09:55,481 --> 00:09:56,681 Speaker 3: So that's so weird. 227 00:09:56,881 --> 00:10:01,041 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like two main big forums and India's private 228 00:10:01,081 --> 00:10:03,681 Speaker 2: investigator has found out who owns one of them. And 229 00:10:03,721 --> 00:10:08,721 Speaker 2: it's ran by a forty three year old male. What 230 00:10:09,481 --> 00:10:11,161 Speaker 2: a male? That's wild? 231 00:10:11,441 --> 00:10:11,801 Speaker 3: Leave that. 232 00:10:12,121 --> 00:10:13,281 Speaker 2: No, I'm shook. 233 00:10:13,641 --> 00:10:15,361 Speaker 3: I just don't understand what. 234 00:10:15,721 --> 00:10:19,681 Speaker 2: Grown man like Steve doesn't want to hear anything gossiping. 235 00:10:20,001 --> 00:10:20,841 Speaker 3: He doesn't want bar of it. 236 00:10:20,881 --> 00:10:22,841 Speaker 2: Even if I ever tell him something that's happening online, 237 00:10:22,881 --> 00:10:24,761 Speaker 2: He's like, I just don't care for it. Like, eh, 238 00:10:24,841 --> 00:10:26,081 Speaker 2: I'm dad, I work a hideaway. 239 00:10:26,081 --> 00:10:28,841 Speaker 3: It got bigger fish to fry, bigger fish to fry, fry. 240 00:10:29,041 --> 00:10:33,041 Speaker 2: What grown man is running and okay and feels good 241 00:10:33,041 --> 00:10:35,321 Speaker 2: about having this place where people can just be so 242 00:10:35,441 --> 00:10:38,041 Speaker 2: savage and affect people's mental health like that. I could 243 00:10:38,041 --> 00:10:39,721 Speaker 2: just go like, I'm scratching my head, be like how 244 00:10:39,961 --> 00:10:41,081 Speaker 2: why is. 245 00:10:41,081 --> 00:10:41,961 Speaker 3: He someone's dad? 246 00:10:42,001 --> 00:10:42,961 Speaker 2: Like is that? Do you know what I mean? 247 00:10:42,961 --> 00:10:43,721 Speaker 3: Does he have a partner? 248 00:10:43,841 --> 00:10:44,361 Speaker 2: Like? Surely? 249 00:10:44,481 --> 00:10:47,081 Speaker 3: Not crazy, surely to believe that that's what you would 250 00:10:47,121 --> 00:10:49,601 Speaker 3: do of people online who are creating something for themselves 251 00:10:50,041 --> 00:10:52,161 Speaker 3: and trying to make a better life for themselves and 252 00:10:52,201 --> 00:10:54,761 Speaker 3: to have something to say about them, Yeah, you could 253 00:10:54,761 --> 00:10:56,441 Speaker 3: just be building your own life instead. Like, it just 254 00:10:56,441 --> 00:10:57,401 Speaker 3: blows my mind. 255 00:10:57,281 --> 00:10:59,801 Speaker 2: Blows my mind. So Indy is taking a lot of 256 00:10:59,801 --> 00:11:02,521 Speaker 2: her trolls to court, I'm pretty sure, and she can't 257 00:11:02,521 --> 00:11:05,921 Speaker 2: actually save their names online. And then there's this other 258 00:11:05,961 --> 00:11:09,721 Speaker 2: couple from the UK that are taking this main site, 259 00:11:09,921 --> 00:11:12,361 Speaker 2: this website to court to try and get it taken down. 260 00:11:12,801 --> 00:11:14,761 Speaker 2: There was a petition a couple of months ago that 261 00:11:14,961 --> 00:11:16,961 Speaker 2: over one hundred and fifty thousand people signed get it 262 00:11:16,961 --> 00:11:20,041 Speaker 2: taken down and did nothing. Wow, just bullshit. But this 263 00:11:20,121 --> 00:11:21,601 Speaker 2: couple is taking it to court and they've got a 264 00:11:21,601 --> 00:11:25,561 Speaker 2: court date. Wow. So hopefully it goes down. I'm sure 265 00:11:25,761 --> 00:11:28,081 Speaker 2: other people will start new ones, but it's just yeah, 266 00:11:28,161 --> 00:11:30,081 Speaker 2: going to be really interesting to watch it unfold. But 267 00:11:30,121 --> 00:11:32,601 Speaker 2: I am just so proud of Indie when she's in 268 00:11:32,641 --> 00:11:34,801 Speaker 2: this state. She said, the last couple of months have 269 00:11:34,841 --> 00:11:36,921 Speaker 2: been a matter of life and death for her. That's 270 00:11:36,961 --> 00:11:39,561 Speaker 2: how low she's been feeling. So for her to one, 271 00:11:39,601 --> 00:11:41,201 Speaker 2: put the money and this will be costing one hundreds 272 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:43,641 Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars, Oh yeah, guarantee it. Putting the 273 00:11:43,641 --> 00:11:45,681 Speaker 2: money into it, the time and energy that she could 274 00:11:45,681 --> 00:11:47,641 Speaker 2: be with her kids or enjoying her life or focusing 275 00:11:47,681 --> 00:11:49,881 Speaker 2: on her business that she has to do put into 276 00:11:49,921 --> 00:11:52,681 Speaker 2: this to take a stance, I'm like, wow, good on you. 277 00:11:52,721 --> 00:11:55,561 Speaker 2: You're doing this for everyone that's ever been affected, all 278 00:11:55,561 --> 00:11:58,521 Speaker 2: of our kids, all of our future generations. I really 279 00:11:58,521 --> 00:12:00,321 Speaker 2: hope she can make big impact and I will stand 280 00:12:00,321 --> 00:12:02,561 Speaker 2: behind her in any way, shape or form that I can. 281 00:12:02,761 --> 00:12:05,321 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a powerhouse move of her doing this well, 282 00:12:05,361 --> 00:12:08,041 Speaker 3: because like what you mentioned before in the beginning is 283 00:12:08,041 --> 00:12:10,481 Speaker 3: that when women go through this, or anyone on social 284 00:12:10,481 --> 00:12:13,121 Speaker 3: media goes through this, it's almost like, oh it, quotations 285 00:12:13,121 --> 00:12:15,361 Speaker 3: comes with the territory, Like you have to be willing 286 00:12:15,401 --> 00:12:18,001 Speaker 3: to handle the hate and the backlash as much as 287 00:12:18,001 --> 00:12:20,241 Speaker 3: people loving the most authentic side of you. Yeah, and 288 00:12:20,241 --> 00:12:22,761 Speaker 3: that's really unfortunate because I don't think it's a fair 289 00:12:22,881 --> 00:12:24,801 Speaker 3: thing that people have to go through, that that just 290 00:12:24,801 --> 00:12:27,121 Speaker 3: because they are online and they choose that for themselves, 291 00:12:27,161 --> 00:12:29,321 Speaker 3: that they have to then cop an onslaught of Hate 292 00:12:29,441 --> 00:12:32,521 Speaker 3: and keyboard warriors and people like that who are open 293 00:12:32,601 --> 00:12:35,081 Speaker 3: to online bullying just because they're sitting behind a computer screen. 294 00:12:35,241 --> 00:12:37,441 Speaker 3: So like, she's also now going to put all of 295 00:12:37,441 --> 00:12:40,561 Speaker 3: those people who are bullying into fear of like, oh, 296 00:12:40,601 --> 00:12:41,401 Speaker 3: my fucking god, like. 297 00:12:41,361 --> 00:12:42,601 Speaker 2: The consequences to my actions. 298 00:12:42,601 --> 00:12:45,681 Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, there's consequences to my actions, and I 299 00:12:45,721 --> 00:12:47,641 Speaker 3: can't just get away with these things. And all of 300 00:12:47,641 --> 00:12:49,481 Speaker 3: those people who would be shitting on her and doing 301 00:12:49,481 --> 00:12:52,481 Speaker 3: all of these things closed doors are actually going to 302 00:12:52,561 --> 00:12:54,321 Speaker 3: get in trouble for what they're doing, and so they 303 00:12:54,361 --> 00:12:55,921 Speaker 3: should should. It's disgusting. 304 00:12:56,121 --> 00:13:01,081 Speaker 2: There's a difference between constructive feedback, yeah, or constructive criticism 305 00:13:01,401 --> 00:13:05,641 Speaker 2: to being damn right disrespectful bullying and hate on someone 306 00:13:05,681 --> 00:13:08,641 Speaker 2: for their decisions. There is plenty of people online that 307 00:13:08,721 --> 00:13:11,361 Speaker 2: do things I would never do, but I don't condone that. 308 00:13:11,441 --> 00:13:14,841 Speaker 2: I don't accept that I wouldn't have in my field, 309 00:13:14,881 --> 00:13:17,081 Speaker 2: in my life and my relationships. But do I go 310 00:13:17,121 --> 00:13:18,641 Speaker 2: and hate on them? No, what's it going to achieve? 311 00:13:19,161 --> 00:13:23,121 Speaker 2: Their life, their decisions, their journey. I just like scroll along. 312 00:13:23,241 --> 00:13:25,641 Speaker 3: Even with constructive feedback, though, I feel like there's a 313 00:13:25,681 --> 00:13:27,561 Speaker 3: way to do it, and anybody who's doing it in 314 00:13:27,601 --> 00:13:30,281 Speaker 3: a way where they're coming from like a condescending tone 315 00:13:30,361 --> 00:13:32,601 Speaker 3: or they're like they're fighting the battle of being like, 316 00:13:32,641 --> 00:13:35,321 Speaker 3: oh well, I have freedom of speech and spend your 317 00:13:35,361 --> 00:13:38,761 Speaker 3: time doing something else unless you genuinely love the person, 318 00:13:38,841 --> 00:13:41,161 Speaker 3: you're like, hey, I genuinely think this would be good? 319 00:13:41,201 --> 00:13:43,601 Speaker 3: Would this be something you can consider? There's a way 320 00:13:43,641 --> 00:13:45,401 Speaker 3: to do and say things that is still in a 321 00:13:45,481 --> 00:13:47,801 Speaker 3: respectful manner. But if you were coming to people and 322 00:13:47,881 --> 00:13:50,681 Speaker 3: like one, shitting on them, bullying them, you know, openly 323 00:13:50,681 --> 00:13:55,881 Speaker 3: criticizing their character and like actually full blown attacking their 324 00:13:56,001 --> 00:13:58,001 Speaker 3: character for who they are and not what they're doing, 325 00:13:58,361 --> 00:14:00,441 Speaker 3: that to me is just like unacceptable in every sense 326 00:14:00,441 --> 00:14:02,641 Speaker 3: of the word. I just can't get behind it. 327 00:14:02,881 --> 00:14:05,801 Speaker 2: No, I can't stand for it. No. And I've actually 328 00:14:05,841 --> 00:14:08,081 Speaker 2: tried to meet up with some trolls over the years 329 00:14:08,081 --> 00:14:09,721 Speaker 2: and that goes to me every time. But I would 330 00:14:09,721 --> 00:14:11,481 Speaker 2: love to sit down and have a conversation and just 331 00:14:11,961 --> 00:14:14,921 Speaker 2: try to understand where their heads at. What do they 332 00:14:14,921 --> 00:14:16,961 Speaker 2: get out of this? Is it a sense of community. 333 00:14:17,041 --> 00:14:18,601 Speaker 2: Is it a sense of variety that you're not getting 334 00:14:18,601 --> 00:14:20,361 Speaker 2: anywhere else in your life? Is it a sense of 335 00:14:20,361 --> 00:14:23,161 Speaker 2: connection because' connecting with other people that hate on someone? 336 00:14:23,401 --> 00:14:26,481 Speaker 2: Like what human need is this meeting? And if something 337 00:14:26,521 --> 00:14:29,441 Speaker 2: meets three human needs, it becomes addictive. So it's like 338 00:14:29,521 --> 00:14:32,921 Speaker 2: it's obviously fulfilling a lot of needs and filling a 339 00:14:32,921 --> 00:14:35,481 Speaker 2: lot of voids for people that are so heavily involved 340 00:14:35,481 --> 00:14:40,321 Speaker 2: in these pages. And I'm really really hopeful that this 341 00:14:40,441 --> 00:14:43,521 Speaker 2: couple and Indie are going to make a big change. 342 00:14:43,561 --> 00:14:45,081 Speaker 2: And I hope it's a moment that we all look 343 00:14:45,081 --> 00:14:46,881 Speaker 2: back on and go, oh my gosh, remember when Indy 344 00:14:46,961 --> 00:14:50,281 Speaker 2: did that? If she didn't do that, would still be here. 345 00:14:50,321 --> 00:14:53,561 Speaker 2: And the sad thing is Baby's like so many people 346 00:14:53,641 --> 00:14:57,161 Speaker 2: cannot handle it. We are losing people to suicide every 347 00:14:57,241 --> 00:15:00,681 Speaker 2: single day over online bullying. Why would you ever want 348 00:15:00,721 --> 00:15:02,921 Speaker 2: to partake and be even if it's just a little 349 00:15:02,961 --> 00:15:04,961 Speaker 2: bit of a reason why someone doesn't get out of BE, 350 00:15:05,601 --> 00:15:08,641 Speaker 2: skips a meal or ends their life because you're in 351 00:15:08,641 --> 00:15:11,321 Speaker 2: your high horse thinking what they're doing is wrong, ugly 352 00:15:11,401 --> 00:15:14,561 Speaker 2: or you're like that just makes nose, I will never understand, 353 00:15:14,641 --> 00:15:17,081 Speaker 2: blows my mind how anyone could want to be involved 354 00:15:17,121 --> 00:15:17,241 Speaker 2: in that. 355 00:15:17,281 --> 00:15:18,681 Speaker 3: It's like we were talking about the other day, like 356 00:15:18,761 --> 00:15:20,801 Speaker 3: a lot of people have never been held accountable for 357 00:15:20,841 --> 00:15:24,401 Speaker 3: their actions and it shows, it literally shows. It's these 358 00:15:24,441 --> 00:15:28,081 Speaker 3: people are so ignorant to their own behavior and how 359 00:15:28,121 --> 00:15:30,641 Speaker 3: that impacts them. And that to me is mind blowing 360 00:15:30,641 --> 00:15:33,441 Speaker 3: because I'm like, you literally the matter like somebody's life 361 00:15:33,521 --> 00:15:33,841 Speaker 3: or death. 362 00:15:33,921 --> 00:15:34,681 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what I mean? 363 00:15:35,201 --> 00:15:37,561 Speaker 3: And that makes me sick because I'm like, they're so 364 00:15:37,721 --> 00:15:40,841 Speaker 3: frivolous with their behavior in their online bullying, and they're 365 00:15:41,281 --> 00:15:43,641 Speaker 3: not dealing with their own triggers but projecting that onto 366 00:15:43,681 --> 00:15:46,641 Speaker 3: other people and then that then impacting somebody, whether they 367 00:15:46,681 --> 00:15:48,281 Speaker 3: actually want to be here on earth or not. Like 368 00:15:48,321 --> 00:15:50,761 Speaker 3: that makes me sick. I truly hope that she's able 369 00:15:50,801 --> 00:15:53,241 Speaker 3: to like win this court case. And I'm not going 370 00:15:53,321 --> 00:15:55,361 Speaker 3: to support the online bullying and all the things, but 371 00:15:55,401 --> 00:15:57,281 Speaker 3: I think that some of the people who have been 372 00:15:57,361 --> 00:15:58,921 Speaker 3: going to the extent of online builing, I think they 373 00:15:58,921 --> 00:15:59,761 Speaker 3: should be exposed. 374 00:16:00,281 --> 00:16:02,201 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you know what I mean. I'm interested to 375 00:16:02,241 --> 00:16:04,361 Speaker 2: see what the consequences will be, will be jail time, 376 00:16:04,361 --> 00:16:06,281 Speaker 2: will it be a fine? I think there needs to 377 00:16:06,281 --> 00:16:09,641 Speaker 2: be an example set some kind of consequence to create 378 00:16:09,721 --> 00:16:11,441 Speaker 2: fear of, like, if you do this, this is what's 379 00:16:11,441 --> 00:16:11,681 Speaker 2: going to. 380 00:16:11,681 --> 00:16:13,921 Speaker 3: Happen, some kind of consequence for their actions, even if 381 00:16:13,961 --> 00:16:16,321 Speaker 3: it's not be exposed online. But the reality is people 382 00:16:16,361 --> 00:16:17,601 Speaker 3: do it because they think that they're not going to 383 00:16:17,601 --> 00:16:20,281 Speaker 3: get exposed. They think that if I do this and 384 00:16:20,361 --> 00:16:22,841 Speaker 3: I put a fake name or a you know, KD 385 00:16:23,001 --> 00:16:24,641 Speaker 3: one two seven or like do you know what I mean, 386 00:16:24,681 --> 00:16:27,121 Speaker 3: like behind a fake profile, that they're not going to 387 00:16:27,121 --> 00:16:29,481 Speaker 3: be found out for their behavior. But the reality is 388 00:16:29,561 --> 00:16:31,801 Speaker 3: if their loved ones were watching them do what they 389 00:16:31,801 --> 00:16:34,321 Speaker 3: were doing behind closed doors and could have a full 390 00:16:34,361 --> 00:16:36,801 Speaker 3: bird's eye view of everything that they were choosing, saying, 391 00:16:36,801 --> 00:16:39,681 Speaker 3: and doing, there is no way that they would continue 392 00:16:39,721 --> 00:16:41,841 Speaker 3: to do those things. Because they do it in private, 393 00:16:41,841 --> 00:16:43,441 Speaker 3: they get away with it, They get a kick from it. 394 00:16:43,521 --> 00:16:46,441 Speaker 2: There's another girl that I follow and she contacted me 395 00:16:46,521 --> 00:16:48,241 Speaker 2: asking if I wanted to be in a group chat 396 00:16:48,281 --> 00:16:50,201 Speaker 2: with a bunch of other people that are going down 397 00:16:50,241 --> 00:16:52,961 Speaker 2: the private investigative route. You can either go legal or 398 00:16:53,001 --> 00:16:55,241 Speaker 2: you can go private investigator, and I thin he's doing both, 399 00:16:55,281 --> 00:16:57,281 Speaker 2: but she can't name and shame and doesn't want to 400 00:16:57,281 --> 00:16:59,321 Speaker 2: show who they are. Is this other girls, like, I'm 401 00:16:59,361 --> 00:17:00,881 Speaker 2: not going legal, I'm going to find out who they 402 00:17:00,881 --> 00:17:03,041 Speaker 2: are through the private investigator. I'm going to show them 403 00:17:03,041 --> 00:17:06,201 Speaker 2: online if you are Bravenerugh. She's got people that have 404 00:17:06,241 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: stalked her for years and like try to show her 405 00:17:07,961 --> 00:17:09,801 Speaker 2: family in a business. She's like, if you are okay, 406 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: and you think that's okay to do this to me 407 00:17:12,441 --> 00:17:15,481 Speaker 2: continuously for years, I'm going to show your face. Yeah, 408 00:17:15,521 --> 00:17:17,041 Speaker 2: And she's going to go knock on their doors. She's 409 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,961 Speaker 2: going to go to their workplace. Wow, She's going to 410 00:17:19,001 --> 00:17:21,041 Speaker 2: contact their husband, their families and let them know what 411 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: their daughter, wife, sister, or whoever, exactly what they're doing, and 412 00:17:24,801 --> 00:17:27,801 Speaker 2: expose them to their closest people. I'm like, that is 413 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,441 Speaker 2: a huge consequence. 414 00:17:28,961 --> 00:17:31,801 Speaker 3: Be held accountable for your damn action, be held accountable. 415 00:17:31,801 --> 00:17:35,081 Speaker 2: So I'm really, I don't know the right word, not excited, 416 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:37,881 Speaker 2: But I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out. 417 00:17:38,001 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 2: Because if you're embarrassed for your husband to know what 418 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,001 Speaker 2: you're doing, wind closed daughter, other women or your kids 419 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:46,521 Speaker 2: or anyone you know, your workplace, I reckon most workplaces 420 00:17:46,521 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: would be pretty tempted to fire someone if they're involved 421 00:17:48,801 --> 00:17:50,561 Speaker 2: in that kind of level of bullying. 422 00:17:50,281 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely, especially if it led to something like suicide exactly. Like, God, 423 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,801 Speaker 3: there's no way that people stand for that. 424 00:17:54,961 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: I would not want my stuff just being involved in 425 00:17:57,561 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: gossip pages that are impacting other women's like mental health. 426 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 3: Crazy. And also because you've been through it yourself, you 427 00:18:03,441 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: know what it feels them to be on the opposite 428 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,481 Speaker 3: side that. So it's like, in some way, I feel 429 00:18:07,521 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 3: like India is also standing up for you and all 430 00:18:09,441 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 3: of the bullying that you've had over the last like 431 00:18:11,481 --> 00:18:12,961 Speaker 3: fifteen years of being online. 432 00:18:13,241 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: I've seen so many influencers that are just like, thank you, Indie, 433 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,801 Speaker 2: thank you for being brave. I haven't had the balls 434 00:18:17,801 --> 00:18:19,481 Speaker 2: to do what you're doing, but like we're all here 435 00:18:19,521 --> 00:18:19,801 Speaker 2: with you. 436 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:20,321 Speaker 3: Yeah. 437 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:22,281 Speaker 2: I just think it's an important topic to talk about, 438 00:18:22,921 --> 00:18:25,521 Speaker 2: and I'm looking forward to seeing what happens from here. 439 00:18:25,721 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 3: I think it's so important just because everyone, from what 440 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 3: I can see in the spotlight, is just taught to 441 00:18:30,721 --> 00:18:32,761 Speaker 3: kind of just like brush it off or you know, 442 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,681 Speaker 3: even anyone who tends to respond to bullies and things 443 00:18:35,721 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 3: like that, often cops backlash themselves for even entertaining it. 444 00:18:39,241 --> 00:18:41,561 Speaker 3: But then the reality is like everyone is just copying 445 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: it behind closed doors, and is like almost like expected 446 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,001 Speaker 3: to just be like, oh, brush it off and it's fine, 447 00:18:47,041 --> 00:18:49,321 Speaker 3: You're gonna be fine, Like just ignore them, don't worry 448 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 3: about them. But how can you ignore and do all 449 00:18:51,801 --> 00:18:54,881 Speaker 3: of those things when it's thousands or one hundreds or calm, 450 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: multiple hitting on you for who you are, your character, 451 00:18:58,281 --> 00:19:00,841 Speaker 3: what you choose your life, even having things to say 452 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,241 Speaker 3: about your family or the people that you love, yeah, 453 00:19:03,521 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 3: or the work that you put out into the world. 454 00:19:06,681 --> 00:19:08,521 Speaker 3: Like it's just it's just not okay, and any can't 455 00:19:08,521 --> 00:19:10,041 Speaker 3: a word, No, you can't. 456 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,001 Speaker 2: People used to give me that advice. I'd just like 457 00:19:12,041 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: look at them, like you you got to be kidding me. 458 00:19:14,281 --> 00:19:16,881 Speaker 2: You have no idea, no idea. And then a workplace 459 00:19:16,921 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: safe for example, in a normal workplaces, HR to make 460 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,721 Speaker 2: sure that the staff are treating each other with respect, 461 00:19:22,761 --> 00:19:26,241 Speaker 2: no one's getting bullied, everyone's feels safe. The online world 462 00:19:26,481 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: is a job. It's a job for influencers, for marketers, 463 00:19:30,241 --> 00:19:33,001 Speaker 2: for coaches. There's no HR. There's no one protecting you. 464 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no one making no regulations and there's no regulations. 465 00:19:35,961 --> 00:19:37,641 Speaker 2: Yeah, you just have to copy it. That would never 466 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,561 Speaker 2: stand in a normal business, but people don't take this 467 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,921 Speaker 2: online world seriously, yet we're losing people to suicide all 468 00:19:44,001 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 2: the time. I had a girl swipe up to me 469 00:19:46,201 --> 00:19:49,521 Speaker 2: the other day when I reposted something, and she was like, oh, 470 00:19:49,681 --> 00:19:51,481 Speaker 2: do you remember the time that you were in Hawaii 471 00:19:51,481 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 2: and you broke down on a live chat? Shecause I 472 00:19:53,721 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: was really worried for your life, And I actually kind 473 00:19:56,921 --> 00:19:58,801 Speaker 2: of forgot about it, but I do remember now. I 474 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,601 Speaker 2: was in Hawaii on a brand trip and it's where 475 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: my trolling was really really bad. And I used to 476 00:20:04,321 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: try not to talk talk about it too much online 477 00:20:06,281 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: because the times that I had been vulnerable and said 478 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:13,041 Speaker 2: I'm really struggling, this is too much, it amplified them. 479 00:20:13,201 --> 00:20:16,321 Speaker 2: It came in ten times hotter. I'd get sent screenshots 480 00:20:16,321 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 2: of the forum. They loved. It almost fueled them. It 481 00:20:19,281 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 2: excited them that they were bothering me and upsetting me. 482 00:20:21,681 --> 00:20:23,761 Speaker 2: They wanted to bring me down. So I tried to 483 00:20:23,801 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: pretend that it didn't upset me, of course, And then 484 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:27,561 Speaker 2: I was just in the hotel and I went live 485 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 2: and I just was cried and I was vulnerable and 486 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,121 Speaker 2: just said I'm much struggling, and it took me back 487 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: to that place. I was like fire ut it was 488 00:20:34,521 --> 00:20:35,521 Speaker 2: really fucking tough. 489 00:20:35,521 --> 00:20:37,401 Speaker 3: I feel like that was the reality of that time. 490 00:20:38,041 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: It Yeah, it was awful, and I just hate to 491 00:20:40,961 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: think how many people out there are struggling as much 492 00:20:43,721 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 2: as what I did. And even Indie She's got, you know, 493 00:20:46,241 --> 00:20:50,041 Speaker 2: so many fans, a beautiful husband, beautiful kids, friends, successful 494 00:20:50,041 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: businesses like she's got on paper all the things, and 495 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,601 Speaker 2: then behind closed doors she's the last couple of months, 496 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: I had to suffer in silence and carry on running 497 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,161 Speaker 2: the businesses and being a mum, doing all the things 498 00:20:59,201 --> 00:21:02,281 Speaker 2: while she's literally wanting to die because you can't Breathe 499 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,441 Speaker 2: just not accepted what should never be expected of anyone online. 500 00:21:06,481 --> 00:21:09,041 Speaker 3: But that's the expectation, is to expect to cop all 501 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,761 Speaker 3: of that hate and suffer in silence. But emotionally they're 502 00:21:12,801 --> 00:21:15,481 Speaker 3: like going through it because they're receiving all this hate 503 00:21:15,521 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: and like it does take a mental toll. How are 504 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: you not supposed to allow that to get to you 505 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,321 Speaker 3: when in reality, most people have one negative conversation or 506 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:28,401 Speaker 3: one moment of conflict and they absolutely crumble. Imagine hundreds 507 00:21:28,521 --> 00:21:31,681 Speaker 3: thousands every single day people coming on and having something 508 00:21:31,681 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 3: to say about what you do. How can you expect 509 00:21:34,001 --> 00:21:36,961 Speaker 3: them to just hold that emotionally and energetically. 510 00:21:36,441 --> 00:21:38,561 Speaker 2: I don't know, and be okay with that it's wild 511 00:21:39,201 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 2: or how do they get enjoyment out of knowing that 512 00:21:40,921 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: they're struggling? 513 00:21:41,961 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 3: That's obvious distributing to that. 514 00:21:43,281 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: I would love to understand the psychology behind that, Like, 515 00:21:46,001 --> 00:21:48,921 Speaker 2: I know, hurt people hurt people, but actually what does 516 00:21:48,961 --> 00:21:52,561 Speaker 2: it fulfill for them to see someone else mentally struggling. 517 00:21:53,281 --> 00:21:56,161 Speaker 2: I'd also love ye if you are a troll, If 518 00:21:56,201 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 2: you are someone, could we have a conversation with you? You 519 00:21:59,201 --> 00:22:01,761 Speaker 2: could stay completely anonymous. We could even do it via phone. 520 00:22:02,201 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: You don't even have to show who you are. But 521 00:22:03,801 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 2: I would love to just ask the questions as to 522 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,841 Speaker 2: why you do it, What got you into it, why 523 00:22:08,921 --> 00:22:09,721 Speaker 2: you keep going. 524 00:22:09,561 --> 00:22:11,521 Speaker 3: Back, why you get a kick out of it? 525 00:22:11,721 --> 00:22:14,321 Speaker 2: Yeah, why you think other people do it? Oh my gosh. 526 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:16,041 Speaker 2: I would love that if someone was brave enough to 527 00:22:16,041 --> 00:22:17,561 Speaker 2: come forward, and you can stay complet We can even 528 00:22:17,681 --> 00:22:20,321 Speaker 2: change the tone of your what your voice sounds like, 529 00:22:20,321 --> 00:22:22,001 Speaker 2: so you know I can recognize you. There's programs that 530 00:22:22,041 --> 00:22:24,561 Speaker 2: we could do. Our editors could do that. If anyone 531 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,561 Speaker 2: is listening and you fucking hate us, or you hate 532 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,321 Speaker 2: influences in the forums. You passionately hate us, and you 533 00:22:30,321 --> 00:22:31,521 Speaker 2: would be open to. 534 00:22:31,481 --> 00:22:34,201 Speaker 3: It and your listen. Yeah, you're listening because you love 535 00:22:34,201 --> 00:22:34,681 Speaker 3: to hate us. 536 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,801 Speaker 2: We would love to have a conversation with you and 537 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: just keep us super open. We'll just ask you the questions. 538 00:22:39,321 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 3: Just weren't brutally honest. 539 00:22:40,561 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 2: We went by back. We won't judge you for it. 540 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: We're just here to hold face. We just want to 541 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,881 Speaker 2: try and understand it. I think it'd be really helpful 542 00:22:46,921 --> 00:22:47,521 Speaker 2: for a lot of people. 543 00:22:47,761 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 3: It's really interesting. 544 00:22:48,561 --> 00:22:50,241 Speaker 2: I doubt anyone's going to come forward, but I'll put 545 00:22:50,241 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: it out there. It does also scare me for my kids, 546 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,281 Speaker 2: but I do think that's where I find a bit 547 00:22:57,281 --> 00:23:00,281 Speaker 2: of gratitude, a bit do Wei shul put my worst enemy, 548 00:23:00,281 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: but a bitter gratitude and what I've been through because 549 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 2: I do think I'm well equipped to be able to 550 00:23:03,681 --> 00:23:06,881 Speaker 2: support my children through this. Oh yeah, but I definitely 551 00:23:06,921 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: think we'll have boundaries around phones, like I will let 552 00:23:11,281 --> 00:23:13,201 Speaker 2: Taj have a phone soon, but it'll be a flip 553 00:23:13,241 --> 00:23:15,161 Speaker 2: one where there's no social media. Yeah, it's just where 554 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 2: he can call, I have said twim because he loves traveling. 555 00:23:18,481 --> 00:23:20,801 Speaker 2: I was like, if you can last till sixteen without 556 00:23:20,801 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: a phone, without social media, I'll take you on a 557 00:23:22,961 --> 00:23:25,641 Speaker 2: trip wherever you want to go. Oh right now? He's 558 00:23:25,681 --> 00:23:28,321 Speaker 2: like hell, yes, oh, And I said, I'm buying the 559 00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:30,921 Speaker 2: newest iPhone at sixteen. Okay, So if I can get 560 00:23:30,921 --> 00:23:34,201 Speaker 2: through to sixteen without them having social media and a phone, 561 00:23:34,561 --> 00:23:37,201 Speaker 2: I'll be So that's pretty incredible because those years from 562 00:23:37,241 --> 00:23:39,521 Speaker 2: twelve to sixteen I think would be pretty fucking hard 563 00:23:39,521 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 2: as a teenager. Their brains are not developed enough to 564 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: be able to hold handle and understand that level of hate, 565 00:23:46,481 --> 00:23:48,321 Speaker 2: and they go to school and have to cop bullying 566 00:23:48,441 --> 00:23:49,801 Speaker 2: and how hard is school and then to have to 567 00:23:49,801 --> 00:23:52,121 Speaker 2: come home and not have an escape from all. 568 00:23:52,321 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 3: Honestly that the ages between I feel like eleven and 569 00:23:55,441 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 3: fifteen are like the hardest years when it comes to 570 00:23:58,801 --> 00:24:01,801 Speaker 3: growth and development, especially when you're being influenced by school. 571 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 3: I feel like it's you're so soon, Yeah, you're so 572 00:24:04,721 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 3: in protionable, you want to be loved, you want to 573 00:24:06,681 --> 00:24:08,561 Speaker 3: be cared forul But then also I feel like because 574 00:24:09,001 --> 00:24:11,921 Speaker 3: everyone in that school environment is growing, evolving and coming 575 00:24:11,921 --> 00:24:15,241 Speaker 3: into their hormones and their body is changing and they're 576 00:24:15,281 --> 00:24:17,041 Speaker 3: super reactive and all of those things. I feel like 577 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,441 Speaker 3: it's a really nasty time. So if you can make 578 00:24:19,481 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 3: it through that phase, you're pretty good for the most part. 579 00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:24,041 Speaker 2: The hard thing is, and I don't know how to 580 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:27,161 Speaker 2: navigate this quiet yet, is when every other kid has 581 00:24:27,201 --> 00:24:29,401 Speaker 2: it and then your kid doesn't, you obviously feel bad 582 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 2: for them. You don't want them being left out or 583 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,801 Speaker 2: being called to lose, or your parents are so strict, 584 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,761 Speaker 2: like I can see that side. Yeah, And I don't 585 00:24:36,801 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: know how I'll navigate that. I think for myself growing up, 586 00:24:40,001 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 2: I was very sporty and that really kept me on 587 00:24:42,681 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: the straight and arrow and never went down the drugs 588 00:24:44,481 --> 00:24:46,961 Speaker 2: in our coal route. Yeah, because I was so focused 589 00:24:46,961 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: on my sports. So I hope that Taji's finds a 590 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,521 Speaker 2: lot of passions and just has a good crew of 591 00:24:51,561 --> 00:24:52,401 Speaker 2: people around him. 592 00:24:52,761 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: I'm sure he will. 593 00:24:53,961 --> 00:24:56,041 Speaker 2: I don't have the answers. That's just our plan at 594 00:24:56,041 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 2: the moment, and right now he's motivated by that. And 595 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: then I suppose I do know some other mums that 596 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,961 Speaker 2: have teenagers and they just have a very open relationship 597 00:25:04,001 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: with them. They have their logins, they can check, they 598 00:25:06,281 --> 00:25:09,321 Speaker 2: can ask questions. I know our podcast producers like they 599 00:25:09,321 --> 00:25:12,041 Speaker 2: have teenage girls and their phones are i think down 600 00:25:12,041 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: by eight pm and they're left downstairs, so the girls 601 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,321 Speaker 2: can't actually have the phones in their room, which I 602 00:25:16,321 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: think that's really cool. 603 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:17,801 Speaker 3: I think that's cool. 604 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,201 Speaker 2: There's boundaries. You can talk to your friends and connect 605 00:25:20,241 --> 00:25:22,281 Speaker 2: and be on social media and be involved with what's 606 00:25:22,281 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: going on in the world, but then there's a boundary 607 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,441 Speaker 2: of it doesn't consume your life. You're up there all 608 00:25:26,561 --> 00:25:28,641 Speaker 2: night being consumed with it. Yeah, So I think there's 609 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 2: different boundaries in different ages. 610 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,241 Speaker 3: In moderation as well, like that moderation is still letting 611 00:25:33,281 --> 00:25:36,281 Speaker 3: them use it and learning how to like evolve with technology, yeah, 612 00:25:36,441 --> 00:25:39,321 Speaker 3: but not keeping them away from it entirely, right, But 613 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,561 Speaker 3: then just yeah, in moderation. 614 00:25:41,321 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: And Taje loves YouTuber. Like you ask him what he 615 00:25:43,241 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: wants to be, he says the YouTuber And he's got 616 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: his own YouTube channel, which we now don't have the 617 00:25:46,721 --> 00:25:49,721 Speaker 2: logins too, which is devastating, but it's all monitored by us, 618 00:25:50,001 --> 00:25:52,001 Speaker 2: Like we create the videos together, I get it edited, 619 00:25:52,041 --> 00:25:54,281 Speaker 2: I upload it. There's no comments on. Yeah, that's as 620 00:25:54,321 --> 00:25:54,921 Speaker 2: far as it goes. 621 00:25:55,001 --> 00:25:55,521 Speaker 3: Yeah. 622 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,241 Speaker 2: So yeah, and times are changing as well, like hopefully 623 00:25:58,281 --> 00:26:00,561 Speaker 2: what Indy's doing. What this couple's doing will make a 624 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 2: change and people won't be able to freely say what 625 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,041 Speaker 2: they want to say online without consequences. 626 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully this will be the thing that starts to 627 00:26:07,001 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 3: create some kind of regulation within the space, because it 628 00:26:10,201 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 3: is it's a very unregulated space. It's like anything goes. 629 00:26:12,561 --> 00:26:14,521 Speaker 2: Yes, we just want to talk about It's an important topic. 630 00:26:14,681 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to seeing. I hopefully we can do 631 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,761 Speaker 2: an updated episode when we hear of something that's happened. 632 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 2: I did love that they need to be held accountable 633 00:26:20,921 --> 00:26:21,401 Speaker 2: for their action. 634 00:26:21,521 --> 00:26:23,401 Speaker 3: I think every law should be Yeah, I think so too. 635 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 3: I'm excited for her to figure out what can be 636 00:26:25,681 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 3: done in court and like what kind of consequences these 637 00:26:28,001 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 3: people are going to get because they deserve them. You know, 638 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,721 Speaker 3: you just can't do it. You're going to behave that way, 639 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 3: expect consequences exactly like ictrually believe in karma comes around 640 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,201 Speaker 3: what you put out comes around. 641 00:26:37,281 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: It does. So you can't get away with that in 642 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,001 Speaker 2: real life, So I should get away with it online? 643 00:26:41,041 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 644 00:26:42,001 --> 00:26:44,321 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, thanks for joining us, guys. We will see 645 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,961 Speaker 2: you tomorrow for our Bestie segment. Bye.