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Speaker 1: Kids see if welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on tel Strip Businesswoman of the

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Speaker 1: Year in twenty eighteen and then what was it, number

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Speaker 1: twenty nine the AFRs Fast Starters and then a Telstrip

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Speaker 1: Business of the Year and around Health.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, both both Telstrap Businesses the Year twenty nineteen, two

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Speaker 2: thousand and twenty two. Yeah, Victorian Business of the Year

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Speaker 2: and Champion Championing Health in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: And presumably then it's all been very smooth ceiling in

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Speaker 1: terms of business. No issues whatsoever, no staffing issues, none

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Speaker 1: of that carry on.

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Speaker 2: No, this is business in Victoria. It's simple here.

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Speaker 1: And so seriously a lot of people think that, ah yeah,

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Speaker 1: look at these people running businesses and they think it's

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Speaker 1: just it's pretty cruisy.

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Speaker 3: Right. There's a lot of challenges, isn't there and running

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Speaker 3: a business.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is, And I think the breakdown for me

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Speaker 2: was looking at all the different components of a small

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Speaker 2: business and you don't have departments and heads of and

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Speaker 2: hundreds of people to do the work. You have all

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Speaker 2: of these different areas of the business that you need

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Speaker 2: to do all of the work in and it's a

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Speaker 2: lot more complicated than it looks from the outside.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, tell us a little bit about your experience

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Speaker 1: on Shark Tank.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I went on Shark Tank. We filmed in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: and funnily enough, I thought my biggest problem going on

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Speaker 2: the show was going to be getting home with the

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Speaker 2: big check, and I was thinking it'd be one of

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Speaker 2: those you know, people sized checks that you get that

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Speaker 2: you don't want to fold and put on the plane.

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Speaker 2: You want to frame it when you get home. But

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Speaker 2: unfortunately there was no check, even though there was a

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Speaker 2: deal made on air. But I found out much later

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Speaker 2: on that out of one hundred episodes that made it

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Speaker 2: to air in Australia in this particular season, for the

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Speaker 2: many seasons of Shark Tank prior to its hiatus and

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Speaker 2: coming back again this year, there was fifty of us

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Speaker 2: roughly that had deals on air, but only three of

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Speaker 2: us that I saw a dollar to my knowledge, and

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Speaker 2: that's what the media reported as well. So my experience

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Speaker 2: certainly wasn't walking out with a check. I had a deal. However,

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Speaker 2: was actually never going to air. And we were prepping

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Speaker 2: that maybe something's going to happen. So every month, without fail,

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Speaker 2: they'd say it's going to air this month, and it

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Speaker 2: just didn't. The show just didn't start. And even scarier

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Speaker 2: than that, I think we thought we were going to

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Speaker 2: get this money that was going to help us build

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Speaker 2: the business and scale and knocked on the door of

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Speaker 2: the investors every single month and it was just a

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Speaker 2: flat out no. They'd done due diligence. They closed it.

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Speaker 2: There was no deal. However, when we finally did go

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Speaker 2: to air, it beat all of our expectations. So I'd

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Speaker 2: said to my production manager at the time, let's prepare,

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Speaker 2: you know, eight hundred boxes worth of our Beefit Food

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Speaker 2: Silver Special Box. It's a one week program of food.

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Speaker 2: And because this promise kept getting stretched out of when

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Speaker 2: on the Google Analytics and going, oh, well, look there's

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Speaker 2: we had one one thousand, ten thousand, thirty thousand, sixty thousand,

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Speaker 2: He goes, well, you've just been talking about this for

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, what are we going to do?

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Speaker 3: And he's like, sorry, how many orders did you get?

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Speaker 2: Oh, in the first five minutes, two and a half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So for next morning, needless to say, I got

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Speaker 2: So sure enough, I get in there, the phones are

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Speaker 2: going non stop. There's seven of them, there's one of me,

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Speaker 2: that first day, I literally called every single person I

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Speaker 2: only when I pulled up out the front to beefit

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Speaker 2: So by nine oh five we did not have one

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Speaker 2: within four weeks we'd literally gone from having a team

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Speaker 2: of five to sixty three people. We'd taken a four

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Speaker 2: We hadn't at this stage even considered it might have

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Speaker 2: been possible to scale fifteen hundred percent overnight, to go

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Speaker 2: from doing, you know, one thousand to fifteen hundred meals

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Speaker 2: just blew us all out of the water. And I

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Speaker 2: cannot thank the Mornington Peninsula community enough for coming to

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Speaker 2: my aid, just literally to rescue me and go do

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Speaker 2: you need a van? Do you need workers? Do you

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Speaker 2: need kitchen space? Do you need labor? Do you need storage?

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Speaker 2: Do you know? What I needed most of all was

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Speaker 2: actually power to connect everything to. I kept up blowing

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Speaker 2: has sixty three amps now because I blow it up

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Speaker 2: that many times. So we just got warehouse after warehouse,

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Speaker 2: and I had a freezer, containers plugged into friends car

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Speaker 3: Got Ego bonkers.

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Speaker 1: How long did it take you to get to an

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Speaker 2: Probably six months of backpeddling and literally offering one hundred

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Speaker 2: They didn't care when we got them the food. They

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Speaker 2: interesting people who called us up and said, you need

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Speaker 2: soever many size as smaller and you haven't delivered the food,

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Speaker 2: my wedding. And there was lots of interesting cases like

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Speaker 2: their wildest dreams. And yeah, so it probably took us

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Speaker 2: two years to then really put all of the systems

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Speaker 2: do national home delivery and everything's on a national scale.

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Speaker 2: We deliver nationally into Woolworths. We serve us over eight

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Speaker 2: hundred stores, so our online business runs all across Australia

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Speaker 2: except the Northern Territory. But it was a lot of

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Speaker 1: Wo wow, wow, I'm not a lot of sleep for

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Speaker 1: quite a while.

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Speaker 2: Like, not a lot of sleep.

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Speaker 1: Let's just wind back because we're recently similar and we're

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Speaker 1: both dual qualified in nutrition, you being a dietest and

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Speaker 1: me and nutritions, but it also exercise physiologists. I reckon,

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Speaker 1: it's a handful of us in Australia. Doctor Nick Kimber

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Speaker 1: me you, doctor carm McDonald, who's a good man of mine.

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Speaker 3: There was a lady in Sydney.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a girlfriend in Sydney. Her name's Joe.

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Speaker 2: She's dual qualified as well. They're literally only a handful

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Speaker 1: So tell me what what did that dual qualification? When

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Speaker 3: Why did you do it right?

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Speaker 1: And then secondly getting that both of those qualifications? How

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Speaker 1: did it change your view of things?

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Speaker 2: So my interest was always in food and nutrition and

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Speaker 2: my parents after eight years of looking that it was

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Speaker 2: I'm like, if you're hacking up my stomach, I am

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Speaker 2: not like I'm going to do this. After this competition,

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Speaker 2: So that was week one and week two was actually

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Speaker 2: my twentieth birthday, and I'd already booked a party at

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Speaker 2: away my problems. I think that's when I really recognized

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Speaker 2: but that positivity, that mental boost that you go looking for.

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Speaker 2: So I didn't know why I was running. I just

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Speaker 2: You have to have to be fitit it's not about weight.

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Speaker 2: of published this a couple of years ago. Of this

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Speaker 2: particular condition after twenty five years is thirty percent, But

439
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Speaker 2: the thirty percent of people that are recursing, it's ninety

440
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Speaker 2: percent fatal for And as soon as I read that,

441
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Speaker 2: I went and booked in with my specialist. I've had

442
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Speaker 2: all my pancreatic checks and I've got a dilated pancreatic duck,

443
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 2: but I'm aware of it. There's nothing there yet, but

444
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 2: it's on surveillance because it's about how things change over time,

445
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: and a lot of people are scared to get the

446
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Speaker 2: first scans done because they think it's going to reveal

447
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 2: something that's going to stop them being able to have

448
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Speaker 2: whatever they want to have a beer or have a

449
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Speaker 2: cheese platter or eat something, so they won't take the

450
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Speaker 2: first steps. But I always say, it's not the first

451
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: tests that matter. It's that is your benchmark for moving forward.

452
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Speaker 2: It's the next lot of tests and what you do

453
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Speaker 2: with that information that matters the most.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So tell us what do you think?

455
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Speaker 1: Where are we going wrong with the whole diabeesity.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more about it. It being a metabolism

457
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Speaker 2: and an insulin resistance and actually just a fit and

458
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Speaker 2: healthy lifestyle that you need to prioritize moving your body

459
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Speaker 2: and putting in good fuel. You can do whatever else

460
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Speaker 2: you want your body and it will probably cope. And

461
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Speaker 2: they talk about this even with you know, should I

462
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Speaker 2: drink alcohol, Well, it depends what else you're eating and

463
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Speaker 2: how much you're exercising. So yes, it will have an

464
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Speaker 2: impact on an unhealthy metabolism and someone who doesn't move,

465
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Speaker 2: but someone who's fitting healthy it'll have far less of

466
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Speaker 2: an impact on. So if you're wanting to a really

467
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Speaker 2: full life and enjoy all of the things, then you

468
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Speaker 2: actually need to prioritize and think about compensation theory too.

469
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Speaker 2: And a lot of people after a big weekend, we've

470
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Speaker 2: all just had a long weekend. Tier in most of

471
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Speaker 2: the states around Australia who did their intermittent fasting on

472
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Speaker 2: Tuesday or you know, had one of those really light

473
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Speaker 2: days making sure that they got out and moved more,

474
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Speaker 2: they ate less, they drank plenty of fluids, and they

475
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Speaker 2: had an alcohol free day. I hope everyone did, but

476
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Speaker 2: if they didn't, then they need to think about this

477
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Speaker 2: compensation theory. Whatever you want to do, whenever you want

478
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Speaker 2: to do it, but there is a repercussion.

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Speaker 1: I have been a lifelong triato. Right at compensation theory,

480
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Speaker 1: I've just called myself a treat, and you know, I'm

481
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Speaker 1: ARISMX military drunk.

482
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Speaker 3: I'm a lot better.

483
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Speaker 1: Now than I was a few years ago, but I

484
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Speaker 1: still have a thing that if I am going to drink,

485
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Speaker 1: and particularly if I'm going to give it a nudge,

486
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Speaker 1: then I have to work out beforehand, and I get

487
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Speaker 1: up the next morning early, and I do a hard workout,

488
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Speaker 1: and Cardios is continually shocked that you know, if I

489
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Speaker 1: give it a real nudge, I'll still get up and

490
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Speaker 1: I'll still do a hard workout, and then I jump

491
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Speaker 1: in the cold star or a cool swimming pool, because

492
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Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. Number one, it's about resetting absolutely. Secondly,

493
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Speaker 1: it's so that one bad day doesn't turn into two

494
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Speaker 1: or three because you know how many people listening. Everybody's

495
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Speaker 1: done right, You have a skin food, you feel shit,

496
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Speaker 1: you lie in bed half the next day and you

497
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Speaker 1: eat shit food, right, and then that one bad night

498
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Speaker 1: has turned into another bad day.

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Speaker 3: And often that one turns into a third one.

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, So my rule for that is, if I

501
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Speaker 2: go out, I have more than drinks, I leave my

502
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Speaker 2: car wherever I am, and then I need a run

503
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Speaker 2: back and get it nice nice, So don't drink too

504
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Speaker 2: far from home. It's a pretty tough.

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Speaker 3: Big night in and your goosehe yeah, yeah.

506
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Speaker 2: So I think that's really important. I think that is

507
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Speaker 2: that whole concept of resetting is really important to me too.

508
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Speaker 2: You can reset after a weekend, but I think even

509
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Speaker 2: in our normal, everyday lives, we all need a reset.

510
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Speaker 2: Things creep in. I know for me it's sweets after

511
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Speaker 2: dinner having and the more you do it, the more

512
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Speaker 2: you want it, the more of a habit it becomes.

513
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Speaker 2: So you need to do a reset every I think

514
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Speaker 2: it's every sixty to ninety days because once a season

515
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: you have Christmas, Easter, Birthdays, big holidays, big events. So

516
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: without fail, habits sneak in that may not have been there.

517
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Speaker 2: It could be just the glass of wine that you

518
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Speaker 2: have after work and it was a few nights a week,

519
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Speaker 2: and then it's every night of the week and people say,

520
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Speaker 2: is there anything wrong with that? Well, take a month

521
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Speaker 2: off and tell me how you feel. Then tell me

522
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Speaker 2: if there was anything wrong with that. Like, you don't

523
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Speaker 2: know what feeling well is until you're in those shoes

524
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Speaker 2: and you're doing it absolutely.

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Speaker 1: How many people do you hear that they change things

526
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Speaker 1: and they go cheeses. I cannot believe that I existed.

527
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Speaker 1: I exist, But I think it's a really good point.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: We can't be puritanical about this. And I certainly do

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Speaker 1: not live the lifestyle of somebody who is always doing

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Speaker 1: the right thing. But I do two things I earn

532
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Speaker 1: the right to do. So if I know I'm going out,

533
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Speaker 1: I'll have a good day a couple of days before,

534
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Speaker 1: and particularly if I'm going away on a trip or something,

535
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Speaker 1: make sure that I'm in really good ship when I go,

536
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Speaker 1: And then when I'm there, I'm exercising every day.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I was with a bunch of guys. We went out

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Speaker 1: to Queenstown, had a great golf trip. There was a few.

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Speaker 3: Beers drunk, but every morning I get up on a

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Speaker 3: for a run.

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Speaker 1: And because it's just like you've just got to get

543
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Speaker 1: stuff in the bank, you've got a balance, stuff out,

544
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Speaker 1: and it just start to get that habit.

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Speaker 3: And I think, as you said, if.

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Speaker 1: We then take those behaviors and we extend them like

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Speaker 1: one week's not going to make.

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Speaker 3: A huge difference. But if that's a habit.

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Speaker 1: Chill thing, if you're doing it or not doing it,

550
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Speaker 1: we'll have a massive, massive difference over your life.

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Speaker 2: Do you know The other thing that I found with

552
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Speaker 2: clients over the years is there portion control slips over time.

553
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Speaker 2: And I'm not a big believer in portion control as

554
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Speaker 2: a way of managing weight because I have these huge,

555
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Speaker 2: big portions of many, many cups of food, but it's

556
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Speaker 2: all the right foods. Where there's an issue with portion

557
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Speaker 2: is that part of the meal that goes with the

558
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Speaker 2: veggies and salads. So my rule is never ever portion

559
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Speaker 2: control your low car veggie salads, with your olive oil

560
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Speaker 2: and your nut seeds, all your healthy fats and your

561
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Speaker 2: protein will portion control itself. How much protein can one

562
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Speaker 2: person actually eat? The only thing that really needs portion

563
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Speaker 2: control is process carbohydrates and sugars. They're addictive. They get

564
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Speaker 2: converted primarily into body fat, and people don't recognize that.

565
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: They go No, they're fuel, and I'm like, they're fuel

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Speaker 2: for someone who is not eating much. Most people eat

567
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Speaker 2: too much, so they're actually something that gets stored in

568
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Speaker 2: the sixty seven percent of people that are overweight. No bees,

569
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Speaker 2: you don't get a chance to burn them off. The

570
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Speaker 2: insulin levels are too high in the bloodstream, they convert

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Speaker 2: them to body fat, and because of that, it suppresses

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Speaker 2: our leptin, and our leptin is our hormone that tells

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Speaker 2: us where we're full, and we don't get that signal

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Speaker 2: of fullness we should be getting because of the blockages

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Speaker 2: from the fat storage hormone insulin, which is triggered by

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Speaker 2: eating too much processed food and particularly carbohydrates and sugars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to the point that you said earlier on

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Speaker 1: about the interaction with exercise, so we know, I know,

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Speaker 1: recent studies have shown that obese and particularly diabetics have

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Speaker 1: got a lot of intramuscular fats, so they got a

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Speaker 1: lot of fat.

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Speaker 3: Within their muscle.

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Speaker 1: But it turns out recent research so to athletes, particularly

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Speaker 1: endurance athletes. But the difference is it's pathological in the

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Speaker 1: OBEs or diabetic, whereas it's physiological in the athletes that

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Speaker 1: it's there and the athlete uses it as a ready

587
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Speaker 1: fuel source for the muscle. And that just shows the

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Speaker 1: interaction between exercise and food on a level that we

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Speaker 1: never knew existed until very recently.

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Speaker 2: Right absolutely, and along that very same vein is the

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Speaker 2: how calories are not really important anymore. People place all

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Speaker 2: these emphasis on how many calories are in something, and

593
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Speaker 2: there's been so many shamp studies to show it is

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Speaker 2: the type of food that matters most. We are not

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Speaker 2: bomb calorie, that is, we don't you don't put food

596
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Speaker 2: in this and it explodes into calories.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's really worthwhile. I think educating people on

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Speaker 1: how they estimate the calories of food and at water chambers, right,

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Speaker 1: you just explain to people how when they look at

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Speaker 1: the back of the park and it says expo calories,

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Speaker 1: where does that come from?

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Speaker 2: They put it into a machine that basically just burns

603
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Speaker 2: that energy and or burns the food and tells us

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Speaker 2: how much energy is in the food from combustion, right

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Speaker 2: from combustion and our bodies. We now know we have

606
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Speaker 2: this gut microbiome. We now know that we are so

607
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Speaker 2: much more complex than that. We've got all these chemicals

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Speaker 2: and hormones. We've got different bacteria that take a different

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Speaker 2: amount of calories from food that two people could eat

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Speaker 2: exactly the same meal. But if people have more firm

611
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: acuities and they do acamancas and lacto vessels and bifrobacterms

612
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: and all these healthy bacteria versus less healthy bacteria, they

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Speaker 2: may absorb more or less calories out of their food.

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Speaker 2: And then when it comes down to inflammation as well

615
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: and insulin resistance, that's blocking people's ability to actually be

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Speaker 2: able to use that energy from food. It will get

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Speaker 2: stored in some people, whereas other people will get the

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Speaker 2: chance to burn it off. And this is why I'm

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Speaker 2: such a big advocate for exercise, because if you're moving

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Speaker 2: the muscles, like you said, if you're turning over that

621
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Speaker 2: intramuscular fat, then you're just good at burning fat from energy.

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Speaker 2: But people that are not turning that over it is pathological.

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Speaker 2: It causes inflammation, and it leads to eventually sell death

624
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Speaker 2: mitochondrial death. You've got people then that have all this

625
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: energy in their body that they can't access. They're tired

626
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: all the time, they can't get off the couch, but

627
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: they're so blocked with energy, but they have no access

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Speaker 2: to that energy.

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Speaker 3: Because it's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: And then that visceral fati the listeners is the fact

631
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Speaker 1: that you can't pinch. It's the stuff that's underneath your

632
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: stomach muscles and surround your organs that is actually an

633
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: endocrine organ right, So it gives it creates its own

634
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: hormones called out of the kinds that then drive inflammation,

635
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Speaker 1: and as you said, then that blocks our ability to

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Speaker 1: use that energy.

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00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: So you get all this energy that you just can't access.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, if you're eating.

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Speaker 1: A lot of fructose, you're activating the Pollo pathway, which

640
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: then creates a metabolic crisis in the cell. So your

641
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: energy in your mitochondria drops and then that's stimulate shitty

642
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: eat more. So there's so much really complicated biochemistry that

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00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: that's actually happening.

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00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 3: All about metabolism, right, to.

645
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: Get back around, and not to do with calories. So,

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Speaker 2: and here's the most simple analogy I could give. You

647
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: could give someone a thousand calories a day of chocolate

648
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: or a thousand calories a day of broccoli. Then look

649
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: at what happens inside their body and how that is processed.

650
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: What hormones is that stimulating, what chemical processes, what's actually

651
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: going through the gut, what's getting into the gut microbiome,

652
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: what's who's feeding off? Right, that's right, yeah, and what

653
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: impact is that having on our mental health? So when

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Speaker 2: people look at food and they look at the calories,

655
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Speaker 2: I'm like, what is the point. Just read the ingredients list.

656
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: If it is full of things that you don't know

657
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: what they are, or they're highly processed, don't eat it.

658
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: Don't worry about what the calories are because you're not

659
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: this little machine that blows up calories. That's not what

660
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: you are. You're a human being. And I've got this

661
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 2: crazy philosophy that we are our cells in our body. Right,

662
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: any cell that is living moves when you put it

663
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: under a microscope. When we eat real foods and plant

664
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: based foods and meat, dairy, those sorts of things, it

665
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: moves under a microscope. When we get a wheat box,

666
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: so we get a corn flake, it doesn't move under

667
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: the microscope. There is no activity going on under there.

668
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: It is dead. It has been dead for a very

669
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: long time, and last time it was living it was

670
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: a long long time ago.

671
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: So zombie food, right, zombie zombi food.

672
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: So whatever is in food, there's some component of it

673
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: that as living beings, we need some of this life

674
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 2: that is in the food. And that is not something violated.

675
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 2: It's not a vitamin, it's not a mineral, it's not

676
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 2: a fiber. It is something that is the difference between

677
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: life and death, and if we knew what that was,

678
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: nobody would die. But we don't. So there's something important

679
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: in living food that I just don't think we've identified.

680
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, as you said, lots of talk about

681
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: vitamins and minerals. We know, I know that real foods

682
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: have got thousands of polyphenols and fleavonoids that act as

683
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: enzymes and cool factors for chemical reactions, right, And this

684
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: is I think the point. I think it's a nice

685
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: segue into the amount of ultraprocessed food that we're eating.

686
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: That we have co existed with all of these plants

687
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: and meat and fish for hundreds of thousands of years

688
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: and our ancestors way back and on. Our metabolism interacts

689
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: with those little tiny compounds and enzymes and core factors.

690
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: Whereas all of this factory made ultra processed food that

691
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: is either never been alive it's just zombie stuff is

692
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: very very different in terms of the impact that it.

693
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: Has on our tabolism.

694
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you couldn't have said that more clearly that

695
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, people don't need to

696
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: know much when it comes to health other than eating

697
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: unprocessed food, which just means food that you buy from

698
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: the perimeters of the supermarket. So seventy five percent of

699
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: the food in the supermarket is processed. Don't touch it.

700
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: You don't need to go to those aisles. Everything you

701
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: need should be around the outside. And if you need

702
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: to go to those aisles to get maybe some tinned

703
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: beans or tin lent tools, or canned tomatoes or things

704
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: are going to make meals a little bit more flavorful

705
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: or quick and easy to prepare, go for it. But

706
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: that meal still needs to be made of predominantly those

707
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: living things that are around the outside of the supermarket.

708
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: And if that's all you take away from this podcast,

709
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: you will live a much longer, healthier life and you'll

710
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: probably never have problems with weight management or diabetes.

711
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: I can't remember who it was who said Michael Pollan,

712
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: I think it was he said, just eat real food.

713
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: Real food doesn't have ingredients. Real food is ingredients.

714
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no You don't need to understand the food label.

715
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: Don't even try. If it doesn't have a label, it's

716
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: good for you. If it has a label, just don't

717
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: read it doesn't matter.

718
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: That's it.

719
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: And look when you run by the eay twenty room, right,

720
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: because everybody needs a little bit of well, you don't

721
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: need it, but in terms of sustainability, and we use

722
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: the early twenty room. Eighty percent of the stuff that

723
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: goes in your gub on a daily basis include liquids,

724
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: which is really important, right, yes, should have been alive

725
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: recently and minimally interfered with by humans. And the other

726
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: twenty percent you treat food that now that brings us

727
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: in because we talked about calories. Kevin Hall ran a

728
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: study you're probably familiar with it where they took a

729
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: bunch of people and put them in a metabolic ward

730
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: where they could control everything they did.

731
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: Half of them were on an.

732
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: Ultra processed food diet and the other half were on

733
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: a healthy diet that was matched for fat, carbohydrate, protein

734
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: that they basically said to them, eat what you need

735
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: to feel seated.

736
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: And the people eating the ultraprocessed foods.

737
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: Had at five hundred calories a day more than those

738
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: on a healthy diet.

739
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: And then the beautiful.

740
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: Design they swamped them over and exactly the same thing happened.

741
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: And what we now know these foods are essentially predigested

742
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: and you harvest more energy out of them.

743
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: And there are scientists all.

744
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: Around the world where these big food companies work looking

745
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: at the blessed point that combination of fat, salt, and sugar,

746
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: any two of those three that hijack your reward systems

747
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: and pringles got it neeled once.

748
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 3: You stop all of this stuff.

749
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: That and buttered popcorn.

750
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: Indeed, But this is the thing that people don't understand

751
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: is that not only do you harvest more energy from

752
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: this food, but it then drives and behavior because of

753
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: the impact that it has on your reward system that

754
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: makes you create more of it.

755
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the interesting thing I heard the other day

756
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: is so dopamine is for our pleasure and it's reward

757
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: and it's triggered by food. Serotonin is happiness. And I

758
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 2: heard someone saying, I thought this was fascinating. Is we

759
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: are no longer as happy as we used to be.

760
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: We are seeking pleasure. We are pleasure seeking. We've forgotten

761
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: what happiness is because happiness is not stimulated by food.

762
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: Pleasure is stimulated by food. Exercise, on the other hand,

763
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: so that serotonin release that you can get from the

764
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: sunshine and being around other people, that's social interaction, that's

765
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: that's the happiness. The serotonin's a happiness. Dopaminees a pleasure

766
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: from the sugar and whatever else we choose to have.

767
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: And the other thing that dilpamine does is when you're

768
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: having a tim tarm, Delpamine's going.

769
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 3: Where's the next one? Yes, the right, we have a drink.

770
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: Dilpa means going worse the next one? Have we got

771
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: a bottle? Have we got a six pack? Right?

772
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: Is it all directed behavior and motivation? So it's it's

773
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: all about more and more and more and more and more.

774
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: That's what delpa means interested in.

775
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: And I've got a feeling is that the nuclear sircumbence

776
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: in brain there's an area of the brain where we're

777
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 2: supposed to dull down pleasure from things. And what that

778
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: means is the more tim tims you have, the less

779
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: pleasure you have, the more you need to eat.

780
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: So what we actually know from neuroscience experiments, and this

781
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: was initially done on drugs, but you see the CM

782
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: with food is that people who take a lot of

783
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: drugs or eat a lot of particularly ultra processed foods,

784
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: you see the amount of dopamine receptors become reduced in

785
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: the reward parts of the brain, so that the means

786
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: because it's basically gone, whoa, this is just out of limits.

787
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: So the brain actually reacts to that by reducing the

788
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: amount of receptors, which means that you need more to

789
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: get the same amount of pleasure. And what we know

790
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: from animal studies then, and actually humans and alcoholics is

791
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: their offspring will be born with less dopamine receptors, so

792
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: they become pleasure seekers. So that's an epigenetic change, not

793
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: a genetic change. And we see this happening now with people.

794
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: If your mother or father was an alcoholic, you're.

795
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: More likely to be an alcoholic or a drug addict.

796
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: And if they were obese, you are more likely to

797
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: overeat and be predisposed to alcoholism and drug addiction because

798
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: of those ACTI generic changes that have passed from generation

799
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: to generation.

800
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: Well, this sounds all really hard and miserable for the

801
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: people listening today, you.

802
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: Know, it's that whole buyer be worthing right. It's just like,

803
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: understand what's happening not just to the metabolism in your body,

804
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: as you so eloquently explained earlier on, but the changes

805
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: that are happening in the brain as well, and how

806
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: that affects future behavior. I think that's really the key

807
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: thing for people to understand.

808
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and my take on this from living a life

809
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: where you feel that you have freedom, pleasure, happiness, joy

810
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: in that you're not missing out on anything. Using your

811
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: eighty twenty rule, I call it a ninety ten. I

812
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: feel like my ten percent is probably more indulgent. But

813
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: for me, that ninety percent is all those real foods plants, vegetables, salads, fruits, meat, fish, chicken, eggs, nuts,

814
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 2: all of that olive oils on a daily basis, and

815
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: I will always give up that processed component, that carbohydrate part,

816
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: whether it's a rice, pasta, the bread, the wrap, unless

817
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm using that as my pleasure part. If that's my

818
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: ten percent, So I would rather have the piece of

819
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: sour dough after dinner with a piece of blue cheese,

820
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 2: then have the same amount of pasta inside the bolonnai sauce.

821
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: Give me the bolonn ai sauce on a big bowl

822
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: of steam veggies or a big salad or something like that,

823
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 2: not have my two to four cups of veggie salad

824
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: and the bolonnaise with all the delicious things in it,

825
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: even the red wine, the bolonni sauce, but I would

826
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: more than likely not want to waste my cup of

827
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: pasta in there. I'd rather have the sourdough and the

828
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: blue cheese when I finish. So I use my my

829
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: pleasure food as true pleasure food instead of beach a staple. Yeah,

830
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: I don't waste my pleasure on staples. I know that

831
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm having that good food and I never feel deprived.

832
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: Money magnum it is.

833
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm the same with the early twenty one breakfast cereal

834
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: or alcohol.

835
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, after dinner breakfast cereal.

836
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I have a rule, unless it is somebody

837
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: close to me's birsty, I do not eat desserts.

838
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: I trade the dessert for wine. Right, So that's similar stuff.

839
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: Let's know, look, I think we have to have to

840
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: have to have to because we're talking about metabolism, we're

841
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: talking about quick fixes.

842
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 3: We got to talk about a zempic.

843
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: Yes, so give us your tick on this stuff, because

844
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: like it's gone crazy, it's going absolutely crazy.

845
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 3: There are so many people on it, lots of people

846
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: are losing with it.

847
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: And then there's some studies coming out saying potentially protective

848
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: against type disease and things like that, and they don't

849
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: do studies are being.

850
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: Happily promoted by the companies. We actually know that's going on.

851
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: So that's top about the good and the bad.

852
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: Around this stuff.

853
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: It is the biggest band aid I've ever ever come across,

854
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: because people think that that drug takes away all their

855
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 2: responsibility and accountability for their diet, their exercise, their stress,

856
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: and their lifestyle, the things that actually matter most to

857
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: keep them healthy. This drug will not keep anybody healthy ever.

858
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: It is not there to make you healthy. Taking the

859
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: drug as a magic pill that's going to solve all

860
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: your problems, your mental problems, the reasons why you eat

861
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 2: or don't exercise or don't have energy. This will help

862
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: with weight reduction. Thirty to fifty percent of the weight

863
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: you lose will be muscle nus, which means that when

864
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: we doing back to that, when you regain weight, you

865
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 2: gain more weight because you reduce metabolic rate. So if

866
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: you are.

867
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: Gone, can you just expand on that because I think

868
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't understand that process of when

869
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: you lose what you're losing and then when you put

870
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: it back on, what gets put back on and the

871
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: impact that has on your metabolism you're ongoing.

872
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: Yes, So I guess the biggest thing with a ZMPEK

873
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: is it stops you being hungry, which is fantastic if

874
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: you're someone who overeats or eats the wrong foods. But

875
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: when you are not hungry, it is so hard to

876
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: sit there and plow through two to four cups of

877
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: your veggies and salads and lean proteins that you still

878
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: need to eat. You have a responsibility and accountability to

879
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: your body to put those things in to be healthy.

880
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: So when you're not hungry and you can't eat those things,

881
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: the weight that you're losing is your muscle mass because

882
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: you're not putting in enough protein. You're not feeding it

883
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: gup microbiome. You're probably going to get inflammation from the

884
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: bad bacteria not outweighing the good bacteria eating through the

885
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: mucous layer, and you know, letting all these allergens into

886
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: the system. So I just don't think in the long

887
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 2: run people are going to be better off unless they

888
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: sign up to OZENPIC with the guidance of their dietitian

889
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: and their x FIZ and they've got a meal plan

890
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 2: to go on every single day. That is nutritionally complete,

891
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: high protein, lowing carbs, full of whole foods, and then

892
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 2: they've got an exercise program that is predominantly strength based

893
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: to ensure that they're not losing muscle mass. Then at

894
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: every meal they need to have their two to three

895
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: grams of loucine, so a high quality protein at least

896
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: three times a day. And all of those things you

897
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: can do without the ozenpic, And if they tried them

898
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: without the ozenpic, they would possibly get the same effect.

899
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: But maybe they need to be paying for something to

900
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: put the effort in. And that is something that I

901
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: find even with my company Beefit Food, people could eat

902
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: these healthy foods and cook them at home, but they don't.

903
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 2: So if they spend a couple of hundred dollars on

904
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: food a week, they stick to it and wama, they

905
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: get these magical results. They lose five kilos in two weeks.

906
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 2: And they could do that on their own, but because

907
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: they're not paying someone else to do it for them

908
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 2: or outsourcing it, they don't. So I know that ozen

909
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: pic works. However, people are using it as a band

910
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: aid to cover up the other lifestyle changes, and if

911
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: they don't make those lifestyle changes. Then the results of

912
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: the ozen pic are going to be very short lived

913
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: and the long term repercussions, they're going to end up

914
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 2: in a worse state than when they started.

915
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: And what we're seeing the eye is that when people

916
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: come off a zempic, they put their back on. But

917
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: to your point earlier, when you lose with it, a

918
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: big chunk of it, if not most of it is muscle,

919
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: and then when you put it back on, some muscle

920
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: you put it back on, it's fat. So you end

921
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: up back at the same weight, but proportionally more fat

922
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: and less muscle, which means your metabolic rate is lower,

923
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: which means you go back on the same diet with

924
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: the same calories alone.

925
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 3: You know, we know about calories.

926
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: But you go back and the same dit You will

927
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: then put on weight because your metabolic rate's lower, and

928
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: then you go, fucking hell, I need to lose weight again.

929
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: Every die And they end up getting more fat and

930
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: less muscular for the same weight over time, which is

931
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: catastrophic for you in so many ways, right, not just

932
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: in terms of when you get older your ability to

933
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: do your tasks of daily function, but because if you've

934
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: got less muscle you have less ability to produce myokines

935
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: and these messenger molecules that are produced and contracting muscle

936
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: that have a positive impact on every single organ and

937
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: every organ system in your body. This is what nobody's

938
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: talking about.

939
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: Muscle mess is linked to mental health. You reduce all

940
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 2: of your muscle mess you're going to affect your mental

941
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 2: health and your mental capacity and that risk of dementia

942
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 2: in Alzheimer's too.

943
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we are. This is one of those

944
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: things that there's lots of people talking about all the

945
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: good of it and a lot of the research which

946
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: is being posted by these companies and promoted widely through

947
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: press releases.

948
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: Right.

949
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: Oh, improvements in cardio cardio metabolic risk factors, Well, yeah,

950
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: that's the short term.

951
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: Can we look at them in three years and you.

952
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: Can get that from diet and exercise. Where's that big headline,

953
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: where's the big report? Look, I went for a round

954
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: in my catabolic respectors of declines.

955
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: But this is the point, is like, what's it going

956
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: to be like ten twenty years down the track? Right,

957
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: and the drug makers will stay well, just stay on

958
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: the drug. Then, Oh they love that.

959
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: That's not expensive either, exactly, that's.

960
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: A great business model for them, right, So this is

961
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: what people don't realize is the long term effects, the

962
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: multiple long term effects, particularly on metabolism. If you are

963
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: losing a for a chunk of muscle, and then we

964
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: just don't know whether there's going to be any other

965
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: long term side effects.

966
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 2: And there always is. There always is. You are suppressing things.

967
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: So what is happening on the other side of that equation.

968
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: Just because we don't know what it is doesn't mean

969
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 2: it's not happening. And I know there's been very little

970
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: sort of studies to support that the people that have

971
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: had that delayed gastric emptying could be ending up with gastroparesis,

972
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: which is a condition where your stimulus if your gut

973
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 2: is no longer there, so you literally kill your gut

974
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: and you're in a world of trouble once that happens.

975
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: So there's been very limited cases of that and whether

976
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: or not it is caused by the weight for drugs,

977
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 2: it's sort of contra virtial, but it does slow periscelsis

978
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: or that digestive empty rate, that contract ol rate, because

979
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: it's making you feel full. I know how to make

980
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 2: people feel full, Give them a big glass of sillium

981
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: or fiber or something like that. You'll get a really

982
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: bad tummy ache. It'll sit there for ages, and you

983
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: won't be able to eat or drink anything. It's no

984
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: different except doing it through a drug is doing it

985
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: through a chemical pathway that we don't know what else

986
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: it's interfering with. So we know what food does and

987
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: we know how to delay gastric empty with food. When

988
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: you do it with a drug, we don't know what

989
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 2: else is going on in the body, and it is

990
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: pretty scary. There's always a side effect. Just because they're

991
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: not reported yet doesn't mean it's not happening absolutely, And

992
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: bariatric surgery brings me back to exactly the same thing.

993
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: When it first came out, it was the miracle, wonder

994
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 2: drug to cure diabetes and obesity. But guess what. People

995
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: have the surgery that hyper metabolic for two to four years,

996
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 2: they lose a huge amount of weight. They might lose

997
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: between forty to seventy percent of their excess weight. At

998
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: some point in time, they need to start eating again.

999
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: If they haven't changed those eating behaviors, and if they

1000
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: hadn't started to exercise, they lose all their muscle mass,

1001
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 2: they become malnourished and they start these poor eating behaviors.

1002
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 2: And once you've had a gastric sleeve or a gastric band,

1003
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: the next stage is to remove your stomach and you know,

1004
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: a gastrectomy. Once you've done that, you have no absorption

1005
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: in your body, so you've actually removed a whole organ

1006
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: from functioning properly, and that is not a sustainable solution.

1007
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: I just think whether it's the surgery or the drug, yes,

1008
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: it helps people, but are there other ways to do

1009
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 2: it in more sustainable ways? And if they are going

1010
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: to take that path, then they need to be aware

1011
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: and supported. I'm very happy to coach people through. I'm

1012
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 2: sure you are too, but they need the coaching. It

1013
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: can't be done without the support and the side effects

1014
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: that come later on. Maybe in ten years time, they go,

1015
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: I should have just done it the other way. I

1016
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 2: wish I didn't have this, but with I don't know

1017
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: what that's going to be.

1018
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: Hi, listeners, we have just lost Kate, which is a

1019
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: bit of a shocker.

1020
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: She just has completely disappeared.

1021
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: But we got through pretty much everything I wanted to

1022
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: chat to her about. So if you've listened this you've

1023
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: enjoyed this and Kate is the founder of Beefit Food.

1024
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: You can find it in Woodworstern, Australia, and you can

1025
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: also do it online just google beefit Food. And this

1026
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: is real food that she makes. That's pretty awesome stuff

1027
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: that is nutritionally balanced and is real, So go and

1028
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: check it out.