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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Bounce Forward with me, tip Hal.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land

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Speaker 2: of which I'm recording this podcast, the Werendar people of

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Speaker 2: the cooler Nation.

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Speaker 1: I pay my respects to elders past and present.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to part two of my chat with Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: She's an author, executive editor, a mum and me as

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Speaker 2: well as a host of two incredibly successful podcasts, and

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Speaker 2: I've loved talking to her. I called this podcast Bounce

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Speaker 2: Forward because it was initially about bouncing forward, not having

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Speaker 2: to snap back into your pre baby body and all

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Speaker 2: that terrible toxic talk.

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Speaker 1: But what was your recovery like.

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Speaker 2: And did you experience any of that bounce back kind

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Speaker 2: of toxic culture because you work in the media.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I certainly really wasn't feeling like myself towards the

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Speaker 3: end of my pregnancy, and I was doing a bit

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Speaker 3: of the project and even putting clothes on and seeing

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Speaker 3: your fail like you just don't feel like you look

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Speaker 3: like yourself. And I struggled with that, and then I

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Speaker 3: had a really straightforward birth, which I'm so grateful for

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Speaker 3: because even my sister I did and Caltoren sister, very

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Speaker 3: different experience, and I was really surprised how I felt.

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Speaker 3: A week after, I actually felt really good, so I

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Speaker 3: would go for little walks. And then I'd been working

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Speaker 3: with a pelvic floor physio and she had done really

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Speaker 3: great work with me during pregnancy, so I just whatever

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Speaker 3: she said was gospel, and I thought, if you rush

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Speaker 3: So I was just really gentle and it reminded me

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Speaker 3: a few years before. Actually, about a year before falling pregnant,

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Speaker 3: I had a really bad injury. I broke my tibia

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Speaker 3: and I needed surgery, and that was actually really good

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Speaker 3: mentally to know that you do recover, that it's slow,

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Speaker 3: that it's baby steps, and to also like listen to

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Speaker 3: your body. If something feels like it's too much, then stop.

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Speaker 3: So that was a really good blueprint for me, I

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Speaker 3: think in terms of fitness and exercise.

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Speaker 2: Looking at it as like an injury, like you've gone

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Speaker 2: through something that requires recovery. Yes, and that fourth trimester

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Speaker 2: is so important. So going from that, you are so busy,

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Speaker 2: you're a writer, TV and podcast hosts, extraordinary, how do

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Speaker 2: you find time for yourself and for a bit of

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Speaker 2: mental health.

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Speaker 1: How do you look after your mental health?

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Speaker 3: I have found this really interesting in the postpartum period

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Speaker 3: because I don't know if this is everyone experience. But

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Speaker 3: my husband from day one is really good at advocating

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Speaker 3: for his time. So he would say, I need a

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Speaker 3: bit of Luca time this afternoon, and he would go

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Speaker 3: And at first I was sort of like, well, I

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Speaker 3: don't get any Jesse time, Like why does he get?

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Speaker 3: And then I thought no, I think advocating for your

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Speaker 3: own time is important and I don't. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: going all right, well, Jesse needs to go to the

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Speaker 3: I've made it happen, so I, you know, on a weekend,

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Speaker 3: I have really prioritized that, and I am it's a cliche,

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Speaker 2: It's everything, isn't it. It's just everything. What have you

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Speaker 3: A bit of more self compassion than I've ever had

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Speaker 3: because I look at Luna and she is the most

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't change a single thing about her, And then

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Speaker 3: I think, and I also actually even in terms of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess for you working in the media

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Speaker 1: That's what it's about. The Bobo. You are so close

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Speaker 1: with your family. You work with your sister, your husband,

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Speaker 2: Now do you have in build babysitting in the office,

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Speaker 2: Like what is that? Like?

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Speaker 3: You know, I wish right now, I've got my mum

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Speaker 3: are just even last night. My Luca's away this week

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Speaker 1: Hectic, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: But where it's like you need three lines of defense

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Speaker 3: just go, I can't go to work tomorrow, Like what

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. How do you work with your family? Like

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Speaker 3: We're very, very close. But we were laughing recently. I

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Speaker 3: the podcast producer, so I would have some spray at Claire,

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Speaker 3: uncomfortable about this fight going on, Like we fight like sisters.

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Speaker 3: A way, that's good that you can have that outlet,

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Speaker 3: We talk about things that any daughter in law and

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Speaker 1: But I've got to get there. I've got to get there.

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Speaker 1: So tell me last question.

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Speaker 2: What was the most helpful advice you were given to

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Speaker 4: Ooh, the most un Oh, what's the most Okay, the

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Speaker 3: Was get out of the house every day. Yeah, great,

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Speaker 3: and that has and maybe not everyone's like this, but

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Speaker 3: sometimes you think that you can't possibly and your baby's

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Speaker 3: gonna scream. Luna's just a way better baby when she's

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Speaker 3: I think I got my confidence up early when she

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Speaker 1: Fab crazy thing to do. Yeah, loved it like it was.

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Speaker 3: It was fabulous, But like I bought myself popcorn and

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Speaker 3: So get out of the house every day. And probably

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to think what the worst advice would be.

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Speaker 3: I think that people who suggest that you sleep when

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Speaker 1: Baby's going to sleep.

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Speaker 3: So then you go, all right, I'm gonna to lay down,

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Speaker 3: and there's no way not to be sleep deprived. Yes,

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Speaker 1: It's so annoying, isn't it. It's the most annoying thing. Leaning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got a leaning. Oh Jesse, thank you

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