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Speaker 1: The big footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Round one is in the books, the city one sit

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Speaker 2: atop the AFL ladder than what we've thought this for

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Speaker 2: a while. But what is clear is that fast footy

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Speaker 2: is here and maybe it is here to stay. Scoring

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Speaker 2: is up, stoppages are down, and boy oh boy, there

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Speaker 2: has been some entertaining footy over the first round and

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Speaker 2: a half. To start our AFL twenty twenty six season.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Fox Footy Podcast. Drew Jones with Max

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Speaker 2: Lawton and Jay jay Is with us.

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Speaker 3: Good a Jack true, Max, good to be here.

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Speaker 4: What the rotation policy continues with our big leadership group

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Speaker 4: that we've got. I think it's about twenty seven members, Yes,

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Speaker 4: close to the bulldogs.

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Speaker 2: How was Zeats last week?

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Speaker 4: Ah, you know you were more professional. I would say

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Speaker 4: standard from him, but you know, a bit a fun

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Speaker 4: bit of levity. I think that people enjoyed that. But

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Speaker 4: now we've got a proper professional host the star of

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Speaker 4: AFOL Tonight one would suggest here to lead us through

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Speaker 4: a big round.

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Speaker 2: One and what just before we get into the rundown,

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Speaker 2: give me one thing that stood out for you this weekend.

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Speaker 2: We've got to look at every single team high scores,

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Speaker 2: big marks, great goals, Like there's a lot to choose from.

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Speaker 2: Give me something.

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Speaker 4: Melbourne is fun, like not the city. The city's fine,

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Speaker 4: you know, well, best in the world around the world

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Speaker 4: because that pole is totally I read a story about

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Speaker 4: that pole, the Timeout thing where they votal besially to

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Speaker 4: the world. One of the reasons is like, oh, what

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Speaker 4: do we think is the best option for editorial content

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Speaker 4: if we put them number one? So it's literally just rigged.

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Speaker 4: So that's fantastic. But Melbourne's great. But the Demons looked

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Speaker 4: happy and looked really fun to watch, So that's their

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Speaker 4: new faster game style. They did not look like the

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Speaker 4: stodgy old team that was trying to win things with defense.

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Speaker 5: I like that A lot is still a place for

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Speaker 5: Ruckman and and Maxican is still the number one man

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Speaker 5: of what he did yesterday and he just stayed out

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Speaker 5: there the whole time. And yeah, like TDK challenged him early,

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Speaker 5: but yeah, there is still he's still a number one

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Speaker 5: and the way he sort of dragged his team out

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Speaker 4: So there are times on Sunday afternoon where the Saints

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Speaker 4: had what three point six million dollars sitting on the bench.

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Speaker 4: No ideal in a close game, is it? No? A

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Speaker 4: little bit odd? Jack?

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Speaker 2: I love that from you because it depends on what

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Speaker 2: probably feel about your team because the bullooking smaller, stronger

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Speaker 2: was seeing in Tristan Shery didn't want to hit out

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Speaker 2: You can come from anywhere and make an impact at

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Speaker 2: the highest level. Jaggo Smith will be the rising star

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Speaker 2: this week and he is the perfect football pedigree, come

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Speaker 2: day one. Milan Murdoch has done so much hard work

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Speaker 2: playing for East from Antor, which is close to my heart.

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Speaker 2: That's the club I grew up putting in the Waffle.

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Speaker 2: Three Simpson medals, one of those in a Grand Final,

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Speaker 2: are there, and against a star studded Goldco Suns team.

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Speaker 2: This twenty five year old out of the Waffle, who's

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Speaker 4: It's funny how the midseason draft comes along every year

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Speaker 4: Yet the trend is still we're drafting all these eighteen

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about the biggest on field

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Speaker 2: the top. Please, are which of the unbeaten teams do

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Speaker 2: we trust the most? Who do we believe in? Who

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Speaker 4: So we've got what The Swans, the Suns, the Dogs

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Speaker 2: And the North Adelaide and Melbourne won it.

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Speaker 4: Oh definitely North. No, they were good, but we can

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Speaker 4: don't know what that is when we're talking on Monday afternoon,

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Speaker 4: but weirdly it's probably Gold Coast because they just seem

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Speaker 4: makes sense that they're going to be a very hard

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Speaker 4: which is crazy to say after round one, but I

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Speaker 4: think it is almost inarguable, is it not. They have

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Speaker 5: I think the Sons are the easiest and most logical option,

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Speaker 5: they've just looked incredible. I think it's fairly clear that

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Speaker 4: This is why I had them top four coming into

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Speaker 2: It was interesting going to look Beverage's press conference last

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Speaker 2: it's made a difference for them. I still think with

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Speaker 2: They smashed Gws in the midfield, and that was probably

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Speaker 2: this is a very different ball Dogs outfit this year.

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Speaker 2: Jack brought up Jakes and Barrek, who have made really

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Speaker 2: So how does he look forward to the ball? Can

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Speaker 2: you use him as a weapon going inside fifty. To

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Speaker 2: have that ability to throw around who's someone's traditionally been

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Speaker 2: look deep and I think when you know this was interesting,

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Speaker 2: I think it was a discussion last week, is it

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Speaker 2: your top six it's more important or your bottom six?

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Speaker 2: And maybe one of our knocks on the Dogs was

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Speaker 2: at their bottom six fell away a little bit. Feels

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Speaker 2: like they've strengthened up in that area. Maybe the floor

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Speaker 4: They've cycled through so many young guys and role players

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Speaker 4: in those positions, it seems like they've just finally just

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Speaker 5: Oh? Impressed I'd say Melbourne just the way they won,

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Speaker 4: They had more class, but it was a professional win.

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Speaker 5: Well, well, that's the thing with Adelaide is we probably

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Speaker 4: Weren't bad or anything, Melbourne better North Melbourne's very hard

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Speaker 4: He talked about the Hawthorne racism saga. I just wanted

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Speaker 4: Totally understandable, but he blamed a culture created by Black

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Speaker 2: So is he suggesting that if there wasn't the Black

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Speaker 4: Totally, and he's very right to feel wrong, because the

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Speaker 4: I can totally understand from that perspective. It sounds like

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Speaker 5: He's never been the most soft and fluffy individual, I

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Speaker 4: No, But I think the main thought I had on

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Speaker 4: they could all kick one hundred and twenty hundred and

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Speaker 2: We know that their biggest floor right now is the

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Speaker 2: They need banking.

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Speaker 4: Now effectively, yes, but they very realistically said, well, we

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Speaker 5: Oh, Jack Bull is clearly a long term play, and

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Speaker 5: But I think, like you said, Max, there are a high floor,

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Speaker 2: Very interesting, just like I think that that summation is

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Speaker 2: So I think we're all impressed in Melbourne. First up,

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Speaker 2: They've got Freemantle in Perth this week which is going

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Speaker 4: I think they're heavily a victim of circumstance. Also because

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Speaker 4: attacks in the comp back to back Sydney in full

438
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,560
Speaker 4: flight and the Bulldogs. But I also think that they

439
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 4: showed defensive weaknesses during the home and away season last year,

440
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 4: unless they saved their best for the finals. So theoretically

441
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,040
Speaker 4: we should all still have the faith in Brisbane to

442
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:24,880
Speaker 4: put it all together were it matters at the point

443
00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,879
Speaker 4: end of this season, But they could drop back a

444
00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,359
Speaker 4: little bit just because of falling a little bit of

445
00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,880
Speaker 4: a hole. Like I think they'll be okay, but it's

446
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 4: very easy to if you can get a big score

447
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,399
Speaker 4: kicked on you twice in a row like that in

448
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,639
Speaker 4: a season where it looks like there's going to be

449
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 4: a lot of big scores, that's not a great place

450
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,879
Speaker 4: to be. So for all the talent that they've added,

451
00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,679
Speaker 4: they didn't really add a lot to their defense. They

452
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,199
Speaker 4: didn't need to, it seemed like. But maybe they just

453
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 4: play this way where they allow teams to get on

454
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,359
Speaker 4: a run at times.

455
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,840
Speaker 5: We've learned that they're not a team that, you know,

456
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 5: we have to be that concerned about if they drop

457
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 5: into a bit of a hole at the start of

458
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 5: the year, and they are a team that's going to

459
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 5: win with their offense and the way they move the

460
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 5: ball and pick off kicks and gain territory throughout the

461
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 5: ground rather than have this really super stinger defense that's

462
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,120
Speaker 5: going to do most of the work for them. Obviously,

463
00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 5: their new recruits going to need some more time to

464
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 5: acclimate throughout the year. I'm not overly concerned about them,

465
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,480
Speaker 5: and I agree that between the draw and the injuries

466
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 5: that it hasn't been the ideal start for them. I'm

467
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 5: actually more surprised about Saint Kilda starting oh and two.

468
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,440
Speaker 5: I tipped them against Collingwood. I just think that they

469
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 5: I'm not concerned about them. I'm surprised, but I'm not.

470
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 5: I still think, yeah, like you said, they played, they

471
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 5: played well enough to win yesterday. I thought they got

472
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 5: beaten by a team that was playing really, really well,

473
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 5: high scoring game. I just I would have thought they

474
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,919
Speaker 5: would have won one of their first two games.

475
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 2: So question, did you tips in Kilda?

476
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 4: I did, OK, because I was cowardly. Even though I've

477
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 4: all the obvious season, I've been like, Melbourne should be

478
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 4: better than this. I've got them fifteenth, but I felt

479
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 4: terrible about that. They should be a bit of than that.

480
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 4: I'm not going to tip them though, Yeah, just riding

481
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 4: the fence as hard as possible.

482
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: Zeta and I said to each other, Melbourne probably win.

483
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 2: It just had this, It just had that feel about it.

484
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 2: I don't know why because I've been high on Seinkida

485
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,880
Speaker 2: through the preseason, but I've been tricked by the pr campaign.

486
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 2: It's secured a football club ever run. And perhaps maybe

487
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,959
Speaker 2: I'm too close to the news like and I mean

488
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 2: you guys are as well, but part of like.

489
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 4: You're there, part of the at the club you just get.

490
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 2: If you speak to enough people who tell you what

491
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: you want to hear or what they want you to hear,

492
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: you just get into this zone. But it's hard not

493
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 2: to be seduced by a team that goes out and

494
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: is like we want to opening round, we want to

495
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,120
Speaker 2: bring in all these players, we want to weaponize ourselves

496
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: and become a good team by sheer force of will.

497
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: But right now it's showing you can't do that. You

498
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: can't just go to the trade table and expect to

499
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 2: become a finals team the next year. It takes a

500
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: bit more finesse than that. But where I want to

501
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 2: start and end, to be honest with se Kuilda, is

502
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: they need Max King. Oh yeah, and what they are

503
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 2: missing right now is Max King and whatever version that

504
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,479
Speaker 2: they thought that he was going to be before all

505
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: these injuries. That's what they're missing. I remember watching. I mean,

506
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 2: Max King has played plenty of good games, but when

507
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 2: West Coast was still hanging on for dear life, we

508
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: played against Sint Kilda at op the stadium and King

509
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: was the difference. He took contested marks, good set shot

510
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: routine like he was an ex factor in their forward

511
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: line that made them look potent every time they went forward.

512
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 2: And right now like Max Hall looks great, Nasiah. We

513
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: know how much of a gunny is Flanders is getting

514
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 2: plenty of the footy, you know, arguments to whether he's

515
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: using it that well, but they've got enough good players

516
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: to feed the Max King type in the forward line.

517
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,719
Speaker 2: So still a few weeks away. Supposedly will we even

518
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 2: see him this season? Who knows. But Sint Kilda, if

519
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: they want to be at the point the end, probably

520
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 2: Max King is a large part of that.

521
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 4: There was a reaction I got I tweeted about the

522
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 4: Saints after the game last night, and there actually got

523
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 4: from the Saints fans was we knew this would happen,

524
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 4: We knew this would be us. We knew we weren't

525
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 4: getting ahead of ourselves. The problem was, Yes, the media

526
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,719
Speaker 4: got caught up in the hype, but that's because the

527
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 4: club produced hype. It's very rare that a club actually

528
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 4: comes out and talks as confidently as they do, and

529
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 4: it's great that Cecilta is doing that because sin Kilda

530
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 4: needs to be relevant and it's harder for them to

531
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 4: get relevancy because they are one of the smaller Victorian clubs.

532
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 4: So it's great that they're doing this, but this is

533
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 4: the risk when you do this, when you come out

534
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 4: and speak confidently, these things can happen. It feels very

535
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 4: much like Ribert the trade period where Eston brought in Shield,

536
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 4: Stringer and Smith all in one go and then we're

537
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 4: still a mid table team. You know this can happen

538
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 4: when you have to shop in free agency. The risk

539
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 4: is the best player is usually signed on anyway, so

540
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 4: you're not getting the absolute best deals and you're overpaying.

541
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 3: I think it's still going to work for Sinkulda.

542
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 4: Will work to the degree of being a contender.

543
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: I think I'll make finals.

544
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 4: They can make top ten make.

545
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 5: The finals, yeah, I would think if they make you know,

546
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 5: the top ten, if they finish eighth or ninth. I

547
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 5: would give them a decent chance at winning in the

548
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 5: World CUD week, and I still think there's so much

549
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 5: to be hopeful about. They were plus twenty three ins

550
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 5: like fifty es against Collingwood. They you know, you can

551
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 5: make the argument that if Cooper Sharman, he has been

552
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 5: a pretty tough watch, takes a few more marks in

553
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 5: that game, they probably win that one. A few different

554
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 5: things go for them or go their way. Yesterday they

555
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 5: could have won. So I'm surprised I having won one,

556
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 5: but I'm pretty confident in what they have. I think

557
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 5: Max Hall is like a super He's already a super player.

558
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: In addition to you know, their recruits to I.

559
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 5: Think they've looked okay, like de Coning was really good

560
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 5: and really he brought the best out of gone yesterday, true,

561
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 5: which is like it was a classic battle like King

562
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 5: he said, So Sylvanni took some nice marks and defans

563
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 5: Sam Flanners. I think he used the ball a little

564
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 5: bit better. He just looks really good bursting out of stoppage,

565
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 5: which I think is key. Like you said, Drew the

566
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 5: big the big banana is what's missing there. But they've

567
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,479
Speaker 5: got so much around if he was playing so much

568
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 5: around him that I think it would just really click

569
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 5: if he was there.

570
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: The irony of this Cooper Sharman storyline is that he

571
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: has always played above himself as an AFL player. Good

572
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: leap kicks, nice goal like, good set shot, has always

573
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: been a good Urbanana Ford. But he's coppying heat because

574
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: there's been lots of inside fidas and he just hasn't

575
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: produced his first couple rounds. I feel for him. There.

576
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: One thing we haven't seen properly yet is a good

577
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: Rowan Marshall and TDK combo game because of the Concussion

578
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: for Marshall issue movie back this week. Can they unlock

579
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: something there? Like Roll Marshall's a very good AFL player.

580
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: Is he a great AFL forward? Debatable?

581
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 4: Probably not, but can play a rock We've.

582
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: Seen like at Frio a couple of times last season,

583
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: like Jackson would snag one up for then Darcy would

584
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: clun him up like you can make it work. You

585
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: only need a few moments, so you just never know.

586
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: Once those two get a bit more synergy, perhaps the Saints,

587
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: you know, get a bit more from their big men.

588
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: Is there anyone else from a losing perspective that you'd

589
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 2: like to talk about. I mean, I've got some thoughts

590
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: on Essendon.

591
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts in Essendon drew?

592
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 2: Well, whatever their plan was going into the season, for

593
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: the way they wanted to play like it was totally

594
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 2: torn down by Hawthorne in the space of minutes at night. Well, yeah,

595
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's too late to bin it, Like we're here,

596
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: the show's underway.

597
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: How did they want to play? Well, how did you

598
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: see the way they wanted to play?

599
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 4: Apparently only offensively, but yeah.

600
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: So what they have done if they've played winning football

601
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: in recent years, it's been strength in the contest and

602
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: then defend with the ball if they lose clearance and

603
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: get it back in their back half did not work

604
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: at all. Totally fell apart and Zach Merritt was great,

605
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: Darcy Parish was good in the first quarter, Joe Corbel

606
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 2: had a massive first half, but those contested players they

607
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: have weren't able to sustain it for the entirety of

608
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: the game. And then Hawthorne, who looked pretty bang average

609
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 2: and opening round, came out and just looked amazing that

610
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: fast footy that they adjusted and made changes quickly and effectively.

611
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 4: I think they are one of the teams that's going

612
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 4: to be absolutely exploited by the new faster footy rules.

613
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 4: I think that's they're going to be more blowouts this year.

614
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 4: We sort of this isn't fair fair fast, but I

615
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 4: touched on it now. I think that by making defense harder,

616
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: the worst teams are going to get worse and the

617
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 4: better teams are going to get better. And Essendon already

618
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 4: had problems defensively. I was probably too high on them

619
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: already coming into this year. I thought they could recover

620
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 4: to be pedestrian, but geez, who are they stopping when

621
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 4: they're playing like that? And it's a lot of like

622
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 4: you saw a lot of it with put Adelaide's midfielders

623
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: as well, who we know can be offense first, probably

624
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 4: too far to that degree, but Essendon I felt like

625
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 4: almost the whole team was too offense first, and it

626
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 4: was the gaps that Hawthorne was able to find with

627
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 4: absolute ease. It's just ridiculous. Should not be happening in

628
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 4: round one when you should have been practicing defense all

629
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: off season. You would have.

630
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: Thought what I saw from West Coast against Goald Ghost,

631
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: the Eagles would have beaten Essendon.

632
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.

633
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 5: Well, whatever Essendon was trying to do with ball is

634
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 5: one thing, but I think they lost again in the

635
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 5: same way without the ball, which is just getting absolutely

636
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 5: trounced off turnover and you know with in transition and

637
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 5: the uncontested game, and James Sisley said post game that

638
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 5: finding uncontested I think too, like one hundred and fifty

639
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 5: unc contested marks, which is just a ludicrous number. But

640
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 5: it wasn't actually a focus for them going in. It

641
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 5: was simply a case of taking what Essendon gave them

642
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 5: in a low pressure game. So I understand if it's

643
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 5: one thing that they wanted to play a lower pressure

644
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 5: game to try and prevent that fast foot from from Hawthorne.

645
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: But clearly that didn't work either.

646
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 5: Such low pressure and just the kind of gaps that

647
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 5: Hawthorne was able to find in.

648
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 3: Transition was really stark.

649
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 5: And I think one hundred and forty five points considered

650
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 5: was the fifth worst result under Brad Scott, and that's

651
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 5: been you know, obviously, defense has been the consistent issue

652
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 5: throughout his tenure.

653
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: I'm sure other teams did this during games. I didn't

654
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Speaker 4: see all of every game, but the two that could

655
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: come to mind as playing off their opponents and letting

656
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: them kick it around. Were Port and Essendon, and both

657
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: got blown out in really bad performances. So I think

658
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,239
Speaker 4: very quickly we found out that's not going to work

659
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: this year.

660
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: Hawthorne's pressure was immense and Essendon were able to create

661
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: some possessional chains in the first quarter, but for the

662
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: rest of the game, like they kept running into dead

663
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 2: ends and Hawthorne were everywhere. They swarmed them. So it

664
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Speaker 2: was a very impressive performance from Hawthorne. They looked like

665
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: a team that played poorly in opening round, made some

666
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: tweaks perhaps, you know, some home trews were given.

667
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: They talked about that.

668
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they came out and played really well. Just

669
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: on Geelong and Frio Max as a Cats fan, just

670
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: the Jekyl and Hyde sort of the first couple of

671
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: weeks of the Cats, like, no, we know Freo are

672
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: a good team, and you know Geelong was coming off

673
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: a Grand Final, they were poor and opening rounds. Can

674
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: can you give us a bit of a balance view

675
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: on how we assess these two performances?

676
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we could talk about the Justin long

677
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: Muir comments later because that's an interesting side story of that.

678
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: I think I came out of that game more impressed

679
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: with Freemantle than with Geelong despite the result. I think,

680
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: I mean, the first half was exactly what Freemantle should

681
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: be in the best case scenario this year. And if

682
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: they play like that old season there were top four

683
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 4: team and contending for a flag. But then Geelong's professionalism

684
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 4: sort of lets them get back into it, and you know,

685
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 4: guys like Sean Manner, the typical Geelong thing of picking

686
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: a guy out of nowhere and him turning into this

687
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 4: sort of player. It's just crazy how they continue to

688
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: do it. It's why they stay up so high. No,

689
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 4: I've had some I've had reasonable faith in Gelong to

690
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: keep it going despite the bad start of the season,

691
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Speaker 4: and I think games like that in a pretty tough

692
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 4: draw that they've got are going to be really important

693
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 4: for them just staying around that top six mark. Maybe

694
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 4: they haven't shown their absolute best footy yet, maybe they

695
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 4: haven't looked like the top four team that I thought

696
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: they'd be quite yet, but enough confidence in them to

697
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: say that they should be there or thereabouts, and a

698
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: higher ceiling than some of the teams like probably Collingwood

699
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 4: and the Giants and Sin Kilda who would be making

700
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: out the bottom half of the ten.

701
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Speaker 2: Did Mike Jackson Brownlow hot take from our first podcast

702
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 2: bounce around your head at all and you're watching Dominate?

703
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Speaker 4: Well, to be fair, I only watched part of it

704
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 4: because I was at a festival on the weekend, so

705
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 4: only it was a K pop festival at Flemington. First

706
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 4: of I've ever been to Flimington race Course and it

707
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 4: was not for the horses with a bunch of teenagers,

708
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 4: so that was fun. Screaming very loudly. My ears are

709
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: still ringing. But from what I saw, Yes, him and

710
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 4: the best case scenario with Jackson absolutely can work for

711
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: them and absolutely can get them to that level. We

712
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 4: talked about that when you were on the pod a

713
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. He is a known polo based

714
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 4: on last year, so yes, could work.

715
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: Murphy read look good round the ball as well. I

716
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: think they have forced he has forced their hand to

717
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: play for in the midfield. So yeah, we get another

718
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: look at Freeo this week and let's see what they

719
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: can produce over four quarters a game.

720
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Speaker 4: They should be winning and this is the team where

721
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: I did my predicted latter I think I had them

722
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 4: seventh and thought, this is absolutely the team that's going

723
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: to make me look stupid because the talent is inarguable.

724
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: I just need to see them do it. First half

725
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: was me seeing them do it.

726
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: Okay, any team you guys want to talk about who

727
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: we haven't touched on here.

728
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: I think that's a very broad swath of teams.

729
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,959
Speaker 2: Fair or Fast.

730
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: Let's do it and.

731
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Speaker 1: Now on the Fox Footy podcast, another strong edition of

732
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Speaker 1: Australia's favorite segment, Fair or Fast.

733
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Speaker 2: All right, Max, I'm going to start sint Kilda Ross

734
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: Lyons sink Kilda.

735
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Speaker 4: Oh okay, thank you for clarifying, will be.

736
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Speaker 2: Zero and four entering gather Round and could start the

737
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Speaker 2: year zero and six fair of us.

738
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Speaker 4: So this is the concerning thing for me because, like, yes,

739
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: I genuinely agree with Jack that they've played better than

740
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 4: maybe the negativity that we automatically want to feel coming

741
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: out of the first two games. But they've get the

742
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: Giants away this week, then they get a arrested Brisbane

743
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 4: at Marvel very losable games, and then they get their

744
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 4: bike before gather Round, and then they have the very

745
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: weird South Australia doubleheader where they play Port Adelaide in

746
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 4: the final games gather Round. Then they have to return

747
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 4: Vdelaide able to play the Crows on Saturday Night. Six

748
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 4: losable games to start the year. Even if Port looked

749
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: pretty bad like at home, they should be improved, you

750
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 4: would think. But like Giants Saints is huge for me

751
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: because I think those are two of the two of

752
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 4: the gate keepers to the top ten. I think those

753
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 4: are some of the teams that are battling for those

754
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: last spots in the ten. So Saturday Twilight Super Satelay

755
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: Live of course very telling, and I think it's absolutely

756
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 4: a risk that the Saints is zip and four and

757
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: even if they are more competitive and a better team

758
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: than last year, that's a very hard hold climb out of.

759
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 5: That's what they have to when isn't it the Giants game?

760
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 5: I feel like they lose that, then it's like a

761
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 5: slippery slope from there.

762
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 4: Like Brisbane, we don't know exactly where they'll be and

763
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 4: maybe off a buy they'll look a step slow and

764
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: they'll have a chance under the roof. But you'd suspect

765
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: they should be beating the Giants more often than they

766
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: should be beating Brisbane.

767
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Speaker 2: Right, So concerning my guess, is they win one of

768
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: the next two. I don't know which one it is,

769
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: but I think they will.

770
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 4: Balances out karmically the sort of close results.

771
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: That's my view. Jack Scott Pendlebury's ban must be upheld

772
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: despite his four hundred and twenty seven games without a

773
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: suspension of us he's.

774
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: A good bloke apparently.

775
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, well there's that, so I think it's a farce.

776
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 5: I just also think it's not a reportable offense.

777
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 4: Okay, so you don't think it should have been a

778
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 4: week in the first but.

779
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 5: I think he could get off for either of those reasons.

780
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 5: So I don't think it's a reportable offense. What he

781
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 5: did it looked more to me like he was bracing

782
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 5: then electing to bump. Warrell was coming full pelt at

783
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 5: the ball. Pennelebury was looking to go for the ball,

784
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 5: but once he saw it bounce out of where he

785
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 5: could then try to get possession, it was more about like, oh,

786
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 5: because he's a bloke, he's coming right at me. I

787
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 5: should have probably braced for contact. So I think from

788
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 5: the perspective of is it a reportable offense, first and foremost,

789
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 5: I don't think it is. And then secondly I think

790
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 5: they could still get it thrown out anyway because of

791
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 5: the good blow clause, which, to be clear.

792
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 4: It's not about character anymore. It's about like a clean record,

793
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: which you could argue he's had three fines in the

794
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: last four seasons. It's not a perfect clean record. It's

795
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: just never been suspended.

796
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 5: As he's gotten olderho's probably gotten a little bit more

797
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 5: rough rounding edges as some veterans do.

798
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 3: But I mean, it's hard to overlook the fact that

799
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: you've played that much footing you haven't gotten suspended.

800
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 4: If the rule exists has to exist for this exact

801
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 4: situation and this precedent the guy who's going to play

802
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: the most games of all time and has not been suspended.

803
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 5: I mean, if Charlie Caeron can get off for the

804
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 5: same reason and he hasn't plays as much pretty.

805
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 4: That was a weird one, and that was about other

806
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 4: off field.

807
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: Stuff, and that's going to be cited.

808
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: But they know because they've gone back on that, they've

809
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 4: changed the rules since that, so they can't cite it exactly.

810
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 4: The problem you also had with citing past examples is

811
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 4: that quite a few times in the last few years,

812
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: I think there was a Tom Lynch one an opening

813
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 4: round Round one last year. It was a cozy picket one,

814
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 4: although he jumped off the ground a couple of years ago.

815
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: Players have argued ibraced, didn't bump and the tribunal didn't listen. Effectively,

816
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 4: their argument is by bracing, you did bump. You made

817
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 4: a decision to brace, and in doing so you made

818
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 4: a decision to create a bumping scenario. So this was

819
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: more of a like a bang bang play than those ones.

820
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 4: So it's a better argument this time. But I think

821
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: that's the risk if you're trying to get it, if

822
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: you're trying to get it downgraded based on purely the

823
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: terms of the situation, I think they are less of

824
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: a chance to get it off.

825
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 3: I think a low impact is something that could argue

826
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 3: it down to.

827
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if brace works like you say it

828
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: doesn't work. Was the cozy picket the one where he

829
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: can and bold Bailey Smith?

830
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there was that one, the one.

831
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can cite that in this no, but.

832
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 4: I was trying to for example, that was it.

833
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: Melbourne argued he braced, he got shot out of a cannon,

834
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: so yes, he had to bring.

835
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 4: There was another one where he was It was a

836
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: side on one. I think it was more than the

837
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 4: middle of the season. I might have been the same

838
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 4: year when he did it, So that one againstillacives. Was

839
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 4: particularly about.

840
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: Scott Penlebury has never moved at the same velocity of

841
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: Kasaia Pickett. Those hit that will never happen. He will

842
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: never create that much force from any sort of collision.

843
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 4: Not since he was being sold candy by Shane Mumford

844
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 4: has he moved at such a pace. That's right, the

845
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: goal scorer of the part.

846
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: I do remember that I was there it was very

847
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: wet day because it was quite quite extraordinary game. Actually,

848
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 2: well done. It's a very good reference, Okay, Drew, thank.

849
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: You, very fuss. Teams who played in opening round had

850
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 4: a clear advantage over teams who didn't during round one.

851
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's fair, and it's been the case for

852
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: the entirety of opening rounds existence, has it not? You

853
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: would have the numbers.

854
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 4: On this, so justin long Yow obviously brought this to

855
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 4: the four you're suggested. I brought this up to like

856
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: a bring up my numbers, Jack, What I did?

857
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: I actually don't know if you have the numbers or not,

858
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: But I just assume that you do.

859
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 4: I do. I did the research last night, so long

860
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 4: m you were said, I think anyone who's been around

861
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 4: football would realize this is an advantage. We should all

862
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 4: start the season the same way. There should be no

863
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: competitive advantage in teams having played a game before they

864
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 4: play another team, And broadly speaking, I think he's probably right.

865
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 4: What is the record teams who played an opening round

866
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 4: versus teams who didn't are ten and four. However, the

867
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 4: betting favorite in those games is eleven and three. So

868
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 4: this is not a case where teams are winning because

869
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: of this advantage. They are teams who were predicted to

870
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 4: win anyway winning, So there's no purely on those relatively

871
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: small number of games, what fourteen games, there's no evidence

872
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 4: to me that it's definitely the case. It could be

873
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 4: the case that it's helping good teams make sure that

874
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 4: they're going to win. You could argue that, but it's

875
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: not like there's been a swathe of upsets. And the

876
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 4: last two games of the round that were relevant to

877
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 4: this case. Adelaide beat Collingwood having not played opening round,

878
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 4: and Melbourne beats and Kildare having not played opening round,

879
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 4: wh doesn't help long with.

880
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 2: This case, West Coast look to step off once Gold

881
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: Coast got going.

882
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 4: Were they ever going to look a step one?

883
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 2: No, But that's the perfect counterpoint is to say, well,

884
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: it's not relevant to that game, but it's fair for me.

885
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: And my view is that every team should play in

886
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: opening rounds. And I don't know how many times we're

887
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: going to say this, but it is just so simple.

888
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 2: Every interstate team hosts and then you have one game

889
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: in Melbourne to finish the round, and I think that

890
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: is a perfectly fine way to start opening round. You

891
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 2: get your prime time fixtures in the Northern States. Don't

892
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: change that, but everyone else gets a crack. And then

893
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: in round one, every Victorian team plays in Victoria, so

894
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: Melbourne fans can go watch the team.

895
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: But do you understand why they're not going to do that, Well,

896
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 4: tell me, because opening round the main benefit. It's not

897
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 4: about the NRL that was brought up the first year

898
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 4: this happened. That it's not about that. To me. I

899
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 4: have not spoken to the AFL's head a fixture in

900
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 4: Josh Bowler I believe, or whoever it is nowadays, but

901
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: they create extra primetime games out of games would otherwise

902
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 4: be in less good timeslots. So they're taking out games

903
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: this weekend, for example, there are seven games. The two

904
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 4: games that they're taken out get thrown onto Thursday night

905
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 4: or Friday night or Saturday night whatever during opening round

906
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 4: without adding a full extra game to the fixture, which

907
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 4: would warrant plays being paid. More So, they are creating

908
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: free primetime content that would otherwise not exist. And there's

909
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 4: also the whole thing about the Northern clubs feeling like

910
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: they weren't getting attention and that's why they brought it

911
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 4: in a couple of years ago, so that also plays

912
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 4: a role in it. But that's the that's the benefit.

913
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: It's like a split round manufactured out of nowhere that

914
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 4: doesn't actually work as a split round.

915
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And ultimately, I've said this before already, is that

916
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: because Tasmani are coming in and there's going to be

917
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: nineteen teams and a buy every week anyway, then that

918
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: gives them the get out clause because they are ultimately able

919
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: to say, well, there's going to be buyers, there's going

920
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: to be teams not playing, so what does it matter

921
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: if we have your opening round with five games and.

922
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: You're going to have to change the fixture when that

923
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 4: happens anyway, because you can't get an odd number of

924
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 4: games happening.

925
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: So do we all agree that it's here to stay

926
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: and that fans of footy in Adelaide and Western Australia

927
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: will just continue to complain about this.

928
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 4: I mean they'll complain about other parts of the fixture anyway,

929
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 4: So either way they're going to be unhappy. I would

930
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 4: imagine Jack.

931
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, there should be a way that they can get

932
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 5: the other states and evolved too, But yeah, it's clearly

933
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 5: here to stay, and I think the premise around the

934
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 5: Northern States is probably going to remain the core of

935
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 5: the concept.

936
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: I think there's a strong argument to save it off.

937
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: The stadium should host the extra game next year because

938
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: the MCG is not available due to the centenary of

939
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: the one fifty celebration Australia by England, and WA doesn't

940
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: get a heap of other stuff gather around exists, so

941
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: I think they can hold fire on Adelaide Oval. So

942
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: I think there'd be a strong argument to have and

943
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: it could even be a Western Derby or something something

944
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 2: funky like that.

945
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: Maybe Fremantle has a particularly good Primetime Finals rematch they

946
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: need to have from the deep run into the twenty twists.

947
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I liked it all right, Max Hi Gold songs

948
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: are bad, the only exception being when players use pro

949
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: wrestling theme.

950
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 4: This is completely fair, Drew. It's a great thing that

951
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 4: you brought up.

952
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: Seems like you have written this because Tom.

953
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 4: Powell, who is my new favorite football player, not just

954
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 4: because of his Pokemon, his favorite Pokemon being low Puney.

955
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: Look it up, you'll see what I mean. But his

956
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: rest is his theme when he kicks goals and I

957
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 4: we theoretically heard it once, although I didn't actually hear

958
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 4: it on the broadcast. Is Randy Orton's entrance music, which

959
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 4: is great and that's a fun song. And then Tuk

960
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: Biller also has John Cena's theme as his song. I'm

961
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 4: pretty sure I heard that on Sunday Night.

962
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: Is Yeah, I did hear that?

963
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 4: Yes, So Drew has brought up a picture of Low Puney.

964
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 4: It's the cultured man's favorite Pokemon, Drew. Why it's people

965
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 4: on the internet are very have an interesting brain and

966
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 4: look at look it up. That's the end of this question.

967
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: Can I just say that Yamper is the best Pokemon.

968
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: Yamper be an electric dog.

969
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 4: That's pretty good. That's a good dog.

970
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: And bowltownd is THEO.

971
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 4: There are a lot of a lot of good dog

972
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 4: Pokemon's true that these are good dogs.

973
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: Okay, they didn't realize we were going to be talking

974
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: about Pokemon, but here we are. It's relevant to football always, clearly, JJ.

975
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: The AFL's rule changes have made the game too fast,

976
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: and we are going to create too many blowouts, fair

977
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: or fast fast you.

978
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 6: Don't believe, no, Well, I've absolutely loved the product so far,

979
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 6: and blowouts sorry, Max, are going to have it regardless,

980
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 6: because if you know if one team is significantly is

981
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 6: inherently better than the other, you know that, Yes, the

982
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 6: rules might accentuate how much they go blown out by,

983
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 6: but if they if the rules weren't in effect.

984
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: Then they would still get blown out, just maybe not

985
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: as much.

986
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 5: And I don't think the game would be any more

987
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 5: interesting for that, because the rules that they've introduced have

988
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 5: made the game more exciting, which is what they've been after.

989
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: They want fast to play, more fluency.

990
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 5: That's what we're getting. As Jordan Dawson said this morning,

991
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 5: the honest end, the last touch at the bounds will

992
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 5: takes one more call out.

993
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 3: Of the umpire's hands.

994
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 4: I do love that rule.

995
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 5: The last Yeah, that's that's the best one. And I think,

996
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 5: just for me personally, when you watch the ball go

997
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 5: out of bounds now after a disposal and now you're

998
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 5: sort of in the past, you sort of just condition

999
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 5: to sort of take a breath and just you know,

1000
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 5: you know, not to think about footy for the next

1001
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 5: ten seconds. But then bang, now straight away it continues,

1002
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 5: and it just it just keeps everybody engaged. And I

1003
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 5: think there's not really a bad byproduct of that. I

1004
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 5: still think if you're going to get two decent teams

1005
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 5: playing each other, you're gonna get close games.

1006
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: And we will.

1007
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 5: We will still get those sort of grittier, low scoring

1008
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 5: matches like Carlin Richmond last Thursday.

1009
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 4: Wait, you're promising more, Carlton Richmonds. Please don't over promise

1010
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: such joy in my life so well, I could see

1011
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 4: that again. Did you did you watch that game? I

1012
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: was forced to by working on it.

1013
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 5: Yes.

1014
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: Did you enjoy the closeness of it?

1015
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 4: No?

1016
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: You didn't know.

1017
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 5: You went entertained by the fact that it was a

1018
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 5: four point game at all That didn't factor in.

1019
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 4: I was entertained by the potential of Carlton carltoning it up.

1020
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 5: Again, right, and that was possible because of how close

1021
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 5: the game was. It was also possible last year, right,

1022
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 5: and it happened last year. Okay, that's the greatness of

1023
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 5: these close games. The gritty ones are still going to happen,

1024
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 5: that's the thing. But I really think we're going to

1025
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 5: have teams who are on an even ledger in terms

1026
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 5: of their talent and the lists that are at play.

1027
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 5: You're still going to get close games, and the blowouts

1028
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 5: I just think are going to happen regardless, just to

1029
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 5: it maybe an enhanced extent when you get such discrepancy

1030
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 5: between opponents.

1031
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 4: That is my concern. We're going to have more Hawthorne

1032
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 4: Lisson in games.

1033
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 5: But we were going to have that last year. But

1034
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 5: maybe not by sixty two, maybe by forty two.

1035
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: I can say that argument. I still think they are

1036
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 4: going to be more because defense is harder, and there

1037
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 4: were good teams like the Giants getting blown out like

1038
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 4: that probably shouldn't be happening. Did it happen last year

1039
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 4: as well? It's one situation, one game, So.

1040
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 5: Would you rather see like the slower play, more throw ins.

1041
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 5: I guess the blurt's being slightly less but not exciting.

1042
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 4: Not necessarily, but I did think at times while watching

1043
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: games over the last one and a half rounds that

1044
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: this is too fast, This is too fast to keep

1045
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 4: up with, and I would enjoy a bit more slow

1046
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: it down, a bit more, getting to appreciate moments more

1047
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 4: because you still had some incredible moments the last few years,

1048
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: Like twenty twenty two was a great season. Twenty twenty four,

1049
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 4: pretty sure it was a great season. If you like

1050
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: a last suer rule that was too fast about it,

1051
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 4: lastsu rule is no problem. I have no problem with that.

1052
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 4: It's the it's the strictest on the stand rule, and

1053
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 4: it's the impact of the lasso rule and the way

1054
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 4: that we can speed up the game. Maybe that adds

1055
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 4: a little bit more pace than I'd like, but I

1056
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 4: generally think it's a good idea just because of the

1057
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 4: way it simplifies that rule. But that was just the

1058
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 4: The impression I got was that, geez, footy looks fast,

1059
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 4: and there's a risk in that. The NRL has been

1060
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 4: dealing with this for the past five years. Twenty twenty one,

1061
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 4: they got to a point where they had to wind

1062
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 4: back a bunch of rules because the game was so fast,

1063
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 4: the bad teams were really bad and the good teams

1064
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 4: were really good, and there were so many uncompetitive games.

1065
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 4: That's the risk that you take when you're trying to

1066
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 4: manufacture scoring and manufacture good games. You can't force games

1067
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 4: to be good. They will happen naturally. Since Kurit to

1068
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 4: Melbourne was a blessing that that was so fun on Sunday,

1069
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 4: you can't make that happen every week.

1070
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: Right, So does that kind of game happen with the

1071
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: previous rules?

1072
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 4: Had a pretty good game last year.

1073
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: A very different sort of game though.

1074
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, in terms of my point, so like, yes, the

1075
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: rules helped that game be better, but you could still

1076
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 4: have great games without the risks that you've put on

1077
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 4: the game. And we need the bigger sample size.

1078
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things that popped into my mind

1079
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: and I'll take from other sports. So we've gone into

1080
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: the Formula one season with new rules, new regulations, and

1081
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: teams have had to reconstruct their power units, their engines.

1082
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: Science is different, and they're talking about this is an

1083
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: evolution of the sport. Now we haven't done it to

1084
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: that extent of the AFL, But there's no doubt that

1085
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 2: every team had to lift up the hood and check

1086
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 2: their engine and think, how are we going to play

1087
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 2: and how's it suit the new rules, and some teams

1088
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: are going to adapt and so we're going to die.

1089
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: And it creates a really interesting season. And that intrigues me.

1090
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: How everyone adapts to the new rules, how things change

1091
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: throughout the year? Does footy change? The notes that I've

1092
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: come in with in my small amount of time to

1093
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: make notes for the podcast is that you're.

1094
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 4: Not supposed to have notes on podcasts. That's not what

1095
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: podcasts are about.

1096
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: You just throw things out there. Yeah, So tackles were

1097
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: down fourteen per game, the rack contests were down twelve

1098
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: per game, and then more disposals, more meters gained, more intercepts,

1099
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: more inside fifties, more scoring. So the rules are working

1100
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: and it's playing to see in the numbers and in

1101
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: the eye test as well. The boxing day test was

1102
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: cricket in fast forward, and for the most part it

1103
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 2: became a fast and lasted two days a day and

1104
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: a half. And we don't want to turn well, we

1105
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: don't want a fast food footy like I don't want

1106
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 2: to be force fed high scoring games which hopefully are good.

1107
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 2: You know. And then when Dennis Committee passed away, one

1108
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: of my favorite people of all time because of what

1109
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: he gave us in football, that moment come off, the moment,

1110
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: come of the man, the son of the man. It

1111
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: came after a throwing, and there was tension because it

1112
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: was a close game. It was lowish scoring, medium scoring

1113
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: mid and yes it's a big occasion and it was

1114
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: two great teams. But you know, sometimes tension gets built

1115
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 2: by stopping, and that's you know, the beauty of Arsenal

1116
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 2: beating Everton and Max Doman Dowman coming on as sixteen

1117
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: year old. But there was tension because it happened at

1118
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: the end and it was low scoring and it was

1119
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: a dour game.

1120
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 4: The whole sport is built on that.

1121
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know when Nas took that hangar and

1122
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: leveled the scores up, that was off a throwing and

1123
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: Jack Viney got three votes and it was his man,

1124
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: Marcaus Winda at the stoppage, you won the clarance, got

1125
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 2: the ball forward and then Nas does what he does.

1126
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: So that's there's a balance here that we need to find.

1127
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: But I like what the AFL are trying to do.

1128
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: Whether it works remains to be seen. There's no doubt

1129
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: that footy is fast. In twenty twenty.

1130
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 4: Six, interesting drew last one very fast. West Coast fans,

1131
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 4: some of them may be among us, should actually feel

1132
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 4: better about their team coming out of their ten goal

1133
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 4: loss to Gold Coast.

1134
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no doubt about that. Yeah. I was extremely

1135
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,479
Speaker 2: pessimistic going into the game and genuinely concerned. But West

1136
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 2: Coast played with some heart. That pressure rating was high,

1137
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: some of the transition with ball was actually quite good

1138
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: and quick, and then you know, I mean I've already

1139
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: talked about Malia Murdock, but that's a good example. There was.

1140
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: He gave us a little bit of everything. There was

1141
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: a bit of grit, there was some skill and good

1142
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: app solid application of game plan. And the Eagles are

1143
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 2: clearly in terms of talent and ability to execrae game plan,

1144
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: they're either eighteenth or the seventeenth in the AFL. But

1145
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: Gold Coast took their foot off the gas. But even

1146
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: Christian Purtrraka after the game said West Coast were good.

1147
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: They made us slow things down and they took things

1148
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: away from us. So all things being equal, it was

1149
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: a much better result.

1150
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 4: If I go into the game. If I told you

1151
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 4: you're going to lose on the roll to Road to

1152
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 4: Gold Coast by ten goals, you'd probably take that every week.

1153
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 4: Big tick, Yeah, that's fine. The one moment I found

1154
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: very interesting. I think it was a really good passage

1155
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 4: of plays, great ball movement along the opposite of the

1156
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: broadcast wing, and then Harley Reid ends up taking a

1157
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 4: ping from the boundary about fifty meters out rather than

1158
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 4: trying to pass it in board to find someone to market.

1159
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: I found that interesting. That was like, maybe that's another

1160
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 4: level of development where the most professional clubs you try

1161
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: and find another man from that kick, you don't take

1162
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: a shot on goal. That's a ten percent chance of

1163
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 4: going through. So that's the next level of development that

1164
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 4: you go through. The way they got to that point

1165
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 4: and even had the chance to score was the development

1166
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: that they've gone through over the past offseason, I felt.

1167
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: And there was clearly still moments where gold Cost got

1168
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: ahold of us, and perhaps the reason they didn't win

1169
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 2: by a huge margin was because it was engineered that

1170
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: they didn't go their absolute hardest for the whole game.

1171
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 4: It didn't need to.

1172
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: I think that's undeniable. But you know, look at Dave Robertson, like,

1173
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: despite all these rules, he went out there and laid

1174
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: like fifteen tackles and had fifteen disposals and it was like,

1175
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 2: you can do it. It can be tough for Nard and

1176
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 2: you know, and set an example, and you know he

1177
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: should have come to West Coast. He played in Grand Final.

1178
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: Want to stat the lines anyway, that's a whole nother thing.

1179
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: That's for a West Coast podcast, it's not.

1180
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: For the Fox for a couple of years lost in

1181
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 4: the world on this.

1182
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 2: But also we didn't pick Tim Kelly, who was clearly underdone,

1183
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 2: and that's a step forward for the club to say,

1184
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: let's make personnel decisions based on preparation and you know,

1185
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 2: let's pick on Forman and all that sort of stuff.

1186
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 5: So you guys like Devin is probably playing for his

1187
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 5: career in terms of trying to sort of resurrect what

1188
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 5: he built early on a Brisbane verse is you know

1189
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 5: Tim Kelly, who the application in comparison probably isn't there.

1190
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, there's an interesting comparison. I thought to Jason Horn,

1191
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 4: France is playing in Port North when he didn't really

1192
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 4: seem completely already.

1193
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 5: Maybe he wasn't interrupted, he wasn't ready pre season, so he.

1194
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 3: Was always going to play that game.

1195
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: Max, this is unusual for a live podcast, but can

1196
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: you please check if there has been some Errol Gordon

1197
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: news because my phone is blowing up. Absolutely, it's to

1198
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: this live. We haven't got any elevated music. Errol good

1199
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: and of course hit his shoulder breaking.

1200
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 4: He's out for four months. He's having shoulder surgery after

1201
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 4: a dislocation.

1202
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,959
Speaker 5: So the thing there was that he could either play

1203
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 5: through it, yes, or he could just bite the bullet

1204
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 5: and make sure he's right for late in the year.

1205
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 4: Yes. Effectively, you would be accepting the almost guaranteed risk

1206
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 4: that it would pop out again, or you get done

1207
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 4: now and sort of out long term. So that's the

1208
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 4: risk that you have to take.

1209
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: And geez, that's that's bad.

1210
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:58,399
Speaker 4: Geez, that's not great for this one.

1211
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: It just sucks. Yeah, but it's the right call because

1212
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 2: he's a superstar.

1213
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 3: Is he a your fantasy team?

1214
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: True?

1215
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,479
Speaker 2: Well, I've got so many fantasy teams.

1216
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: He's what percentage of fantasy teams is again.

1217
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I would say eighty.

1218
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 4: Percent Okay, it's about to be zero. Yes, that's right.

1219
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: Well some of them he's stuck for good, fair.

1220
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 4: Enough, but yeah, tell you what. We want to get

1221
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 4: to the back to that, because there's plenty of news around.

1222
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 4: So let's head straight to the tips.

1223
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 2: I reckon, Okay, let's do it, SAG four tips.

1224
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 4: So this was a Zeta thing was reading out all right, guys,

1225
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 4: it's segment two, now the second segment. We're going to

1226
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 4: do it right now. Number two.

1227
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: I said SEG four in jest.

1228
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 4: He didn't, Well, he did, but didn't. He said it

1229
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 4: to annoy me.

1230
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: That's and also because Zeta, because of his delivery on

1231
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: everything that he says, he can later on claim that

1232
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 2: it was in a jest because he's permanently sarcastic.

1233
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 4: It feels like his entire career is like a joke

1234
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 4: on all of us.

1235
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: It's built on site. Yeah, it's right. The bricks that

1236
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: built the house are psychastic bricks. Thursday nights, Hawthorne against

1237
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: Sydney at the mc G.

1238
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 4: Two good games to start the round, isn't it. I

1239
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 4: wasn't overly convinced, Like I know, Hawthorn looked good against

1240
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 4: this in it, but I thought that was more aware

1241
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 4: of Essen than Hawthorne. So I'm going to tip Hawthorne

1242
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,959
Speaker 4: with the Gordon news with he Andy presumably missing again

1243
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 4: recording this on Monday. So Hawthorne, but jeez, that Gordon

1244
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 4: news is like rocking me in the sense that Sydney

1245
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 4: looked like like a genuine clear top four team with him,

1246
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 4: and that's going to be a that's painful for all

1247
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 4: fans who don't get to enjoy the Swan's in full flight.

1248
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 5: Yes, I concur I think that well, that this news

1249
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 5: makes it. You know, that midfield load, that battle that

1250
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 5: now weighs in their favor and they can in other areas.

1251
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: So I think I go with Hawthorne.

1252
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 2: Fascinated to see what the Swans do if they're potentially

1253
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 2: missing two of their best midfield is how they structure up.

1254
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of anger. Sheldric Esse Sason. Yes, yeah,

1255
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 2: I'm tipping the Hawks. Friday nights Fox Footy, you'll see

1256
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: Adelaide and the Western Bulldogs at Adelaide over doing a

1257
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: full preview of that game. Tom mitchellfl tonight in the

1258
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 2: lead up, We're going full SPN Sports Center in the studio,

1259
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 2: moving camera we'll talk about every aspect of that game,

1260
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 2: and the winner will be.

1261
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 4: The Western Bulldogs, who I believe in, and Adelaide. There's

1262
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 4: also a perception that this will be like an amazing,

1263
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 4: high scoring shootout. Adelaide is more of a defensive team

1264
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 4: than you think of, but still should be a very

1265
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 4: fun game. I believe in the.

1266
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 3: Dogs me too.

1267
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: I'll be tipping the Dogs. I'm fascinated by what we

1268
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: spoke about before, tall forwards versus the Dog's defense. True,

1269
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,479
Speaker 2: let's see how that shapes out. Saturday afternoon on Super

1270
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: Saturday Live on Fox Footy, it's the Richmond Tigers against

1271
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 2: the Gold Coast Suns at the mc G. I haven't

1272
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: been doing the cups, only just realized it's a multitude

1273
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: of options for Richmond against Gold Coast. Very true.

1274
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 4: It's a pleasure if you have them, but you don't

1275
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 4: need them. Yes, please, as the Richward man on the podcast,

1276
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 4: bring us to.

1277
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 3: The Brandon Alice Cup.

1278
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I had like a real niche one

1279
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 2: that's like on the my tongue.

1280
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 4: But I mean Josh Catty is a good one. But

1281
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 4: he's a three teamer, so that doesn't work perfectly.

1282
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 2: Marby l Cholcap. Yes, there's there's there's more. There's a lot,

1283
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 2: but I don't have them on I can't access them

1284
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: in my brain.

1285
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 4: The fact that we're talking about this rather than the

1286
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 4: results of the game probably says quite a bit.

1287
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: What's your tip?

1288
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 4: Gold Coast?

1289
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: Thank you, gold Coast?

1290
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: Are we speaking to a gold Coast Son's player on

1291
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: AFEL tonight on Friday? As well?

1292
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 4: Ben Cotton was trying to argue to me before that

1293
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 4: this is a trap game for gold Coast. It was

1294
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 4: last year, I guess, but really that was like that

1295
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 4: just felt like a random thing that happened more than

1296
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 4: anything when.

1297
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 3: Gold Coast just doesn't play the MCG.

1298
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Speaker 4: They played Richard at the MCG end of not end

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Speaker 4: of last year, but the interview before.

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00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah they played it.

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00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 5: They Richmard beat them at Marvel last year. Yeah, that's

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00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 5: what they usually play it in Melbourne.

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00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 4: So interesting because Dimmer hates Marble, not Richmond hates Marble.

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00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 4: It's about it's about Dim.

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00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 2: We know that's conspiracy. The AFL one god go to

1306
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 2: win the flag. That's true of them. That's Damely Hardwick

1307
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: at the MCG Albert tib in the suns as well.

1308
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: Saturday Twilight gw Wes against and Killed are possibly the

1309
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: most intriguing game of the round due to the aforementioned context.

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00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: Who wins this one?

1311
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 4: On Energy Giants? I think I just trust them a

1312
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 4: little bit more right now.

1313
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 5: Rs Saints, I think there's more urgency on their side,

1314
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 5: even though the Giants are coming off an ugly loss.

1315
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: It's fair having seen Adam Kingsley spray which apparently is

1316
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: not even in his top ten, I fear thought the

1317
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: Giants may have copped after their game against the Bulldogs,

1318
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: and I believe that they will bounce back. Don't mind

1319
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: Saturday night Freemantle against Melbourne at Optus Stadium Saturday night

1320
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: clear air on Fox Footy. It's appointment television and who wins?

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00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 4: I think the Dockers, if they're any sort of serious

1322
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 4: as they looked against Gelong, should get this done. Like Melbourne,

1323
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 4: love the vibes, love the attacking footy, they shouldn't betting

1324
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 4: free on the though. I wouldn't think.

1325
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a free hit sort of game

1326
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 5: from Melbourne. Luck this yes, yes, it's sort of just

1327
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 5: not much expectation. They've just come off a really lifting win,

1328
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 5: but a free hit.

1329
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 4: It's a free hit season.

1330
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, especially when you start the way they did.

1331
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 4: They could get to ten or eleven wins and make

1332
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 4: the wild card. Absolutely yep. So if they picked a

1333
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 4: couple of games like this, maybe.

1334
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: Appears to me that Stephen King has lean into the

1335
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: new rules and that gives them a chance to win games.

1336
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon Sunday Ticket put Adelaide and Essendon at Adelaide Oval,

1337
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: two games in South Australia this weekend. Does Josh Carr

1338
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: produce a best at performance? Second up? And what a

1339
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: Wessnon do after being embarrassed by Hawthorne?

1340
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 4: Will that's my tip to this game?

1341
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: Will you watch this game? I'll be working so I

1342
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 2: have to contractedly obliged exactly.

1343
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, but please watch it on Fox Footy. It's great.

1344
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 4: We love football port should They have too much talent

1345
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 4: to be as bad as they looked against North Right,

1346
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 4: like especially offensively napped like that was really bad. They

1347
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 4: got to win this.

1348
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 5: I thought they'd played finals. It was a rogue tip.

1349
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 5: It's a rogue tip, a chance to sneak into finals

1350
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 5: given their draw. I think this is a slight trap

1351
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 5: game for Port. I think Essendon will give it a crack,

1352
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 5: but I think Port will win still just by not

1353
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 5: not that much.

1354
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: Port win like it Sunday nights West Coast against North Melbourne.

1355
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 4: Of this state games in the West, I feel the

1356
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 4: love of the AFL loves w A very clearly, especially

1357
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 4: when you're paying them a lot of money.

1358
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: Yes, I really thought going into the season West Coast

1359
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: or a chance to get a win in this fixture.

1360
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: But North Melbourne they were impressive.

1361
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 4: I think they still are. I'm going to tip North,

1362
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 4: but again, I it is hard to tell how much

1363
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 4: of Sunday's win was Port being really bad or worse

1364
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 4: than expected, or North being good. So the Port North

1365
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 4: game was one of those teams can win and have

1366
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 4: a chance to be like four and O, and North

1367
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 4: now has the chance to be I think five and one.

1368
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 4: They get Brisbane and Gathering, but other than that they

1369
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 4: play basically all of last year's bottom five. So if

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01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 4: they banked this win here, they haven't been three and

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01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 4: oh since I want to say twenty sixteen, the year

1372
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 4: they started dyn and oh and then barely made the finals.

1373
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 4: Something like that. Absolutely a chance to do it this year.

1374
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think North Melbourne reasonably comfortably. I don't.

1375
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 5: I tend to not put that much stock into West

1376
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 5: Coast second half just because of the first forty five minutes, which.

1377
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 3: Were yeah, pretty stark poor. Yeah that's a word. Yep.

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01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 4: I do that.

1379
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: Their first five minutes were good and that woke gold Coaster, okay,

1380
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: and then Gold Coast just went.

1381
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 4: Douche hey, sit down.

1382
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,479
Speaker 2: Scientific term. So the Eagles be better for the run.

1383
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: And there's a few players who went in a little underdone,

1384
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: like your Brady Hofs of the world, etc. They should

1385
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: well they get Lean Baker back from suspension, that West

1386
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: Coast will be better again. But I still think given

1387
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: what we've seen from North Melbourne, I think the Ruse

1388
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: win very fair.

1389
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 4: Okay, that's its seven game weekend. Look forward to it.

1390
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: You'll see all those games on Fox Footy and you'll

1391
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,680
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1392
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,760
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1393
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,400
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1394
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Speaker 2: sports dot com.

1395
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,880
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01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,120
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1397
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,640
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1398
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,720
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01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 7: Rubis Sleser etc.

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01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:34,840
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