1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: This podcast is being recorded and produced on gadiicol Land. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: We pay our respects to the traditional custodians of this 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: country and elders past present. 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: We extend our respect to any First Nations Aboriginal and 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Torres Strait Islander people joining us. 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: Today, always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, welcome back to another Close Friends episode. We 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: have gotten a spicy email. 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: Well that's not that spicy, but it's prompting for a 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: good conversation it is. 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: Let's read it out. 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: As you know, we have our email, which is scrollers 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 2: at novas dot com. Yes, sorry, it was just a 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: triple checking. I was making sure you knew what was 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: going on. And we get emails all the time, and 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: as always, you can send us an email let us 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: know if you'd rather stay anonymous on the pod or 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: anything like that. But sometimes we decide to answer your 19 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: questions in a Close Friends episode. That's what we're doing today. 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: Hey, Britt and Matt long term follower slash scroller here, 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: we're talking twenty fourteen Britain, Matt. 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: Which is crazy because I started in twenty fifteen. So 23 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 2: what was she doing stalking me at the sand? 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: Close enough? Close enough? 25 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: Really, so wait, that might not be right, because I 26 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,279 Speaker 2: did ten years this year. Yeah, No, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: twenty one, two three four, that's ten years. 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: Okay. Recently you have both discussed how much your opinions 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: and ways of living have changed over time and as 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: you have gotten wiser. I've definitely seen this happen with 31 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: the both of your lives and resonate with this myself. 32 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: For example, years ago, Britt never wanted to own a house. 33 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: She said she wanted to rent exclusively. I will elaborate 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: on that and express her opinion about marriage and children. 35 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: Now Britt owns and is renovating, owning a massive company, 36 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: and more. 37 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: She also says, and Matt, being Matt like myself, always 38 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: saying what they think could be bs, but then maybe 39 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: a month or so later, realizing it wasn't the worst 40 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: decision or idea they'd heard of. I'll elaborate on that also, 41 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: or what his life in Sydney will look like. But then, 42 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: with the cost of living and rent going up, thinking 43 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: of moving to somewhere like Newcastle or Paramatta, somewhere I 44 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: thought that I'd never moved to. 45 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: So in saying this, what are your opinions now on 46 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: all things living, housing, career, education, friends, families, building a family, 47 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: you name it. Part of me is just curious and nosy, 48 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: but there is part of me wondering, as I've watched 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: you guys grow up yourself, how much your opinion has 50 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: changed over time. For me, it was only a few 51 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: years ago. I was early twenties, doing my teaching degree, 52 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: thinking of renting away from home with my boyfriend, eventually 53 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: getting married and having kids. When I was early thirties, 54 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: you know how things were meant to go. I've got 55 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: a lot of opinions on that too. But now, at 56 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty four, I'm finding myself moving 57 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: into a brand new home my partner and I built, 58 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: same guy in Newcastle where I grew up, not married 59 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: nor engaged, no kids in sight. I know that's how 60 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: life works. But I guess what I am trying to 61 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: relate to you by? What steps were made to get 62 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: to where you are today? Wow? What a ramble. But 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: I don't often have a chance to actually write down 64 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: questions I have when listening to you guys. 65 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 2: Well, Firstie, thank you so much for taking the time 66 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: to email us. Yes, I saw this email, and I 67 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: was like, that's actually such a good topic to talk 68 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 2: about because I know you have a lot of thoughts 69 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: and opinions, particularly on change and when people say things 70 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: like you've changed and all the rest of that, and 71 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: how you know it correlates to growth in life and 72 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: if you're not changing, you're not growing. 73 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Yes, I think one of the hard things about being 74 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: online is people will take what you say and like 75 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: run with that and if you ever, like do like 76 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: opposite of something that you said so long ago, like 77 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: they cling onto it. And I think we've seen it 78 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: through like our youtubing days. I know I did for sure, 79 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: Like people would comment, you know, three years into my 80 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: YouTube journey and say you've changed, as if though like 81 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 1: you're not allowed to or like it's a negative thing, 82 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: but like, hello, like we all changed. I think the 83 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: older we get, the more we realize like change is normal. 84 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: If anything, we should embrace it, oh for sure, Like 85 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: and I'm all for it. Like we've already spoken about this. 86 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: I at one point thought that getting a boob job 87 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: was a good idea, and then I undid that because 88 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: I thought I changed my fucking mind. So I guess 89 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: I'll start on my questions. First ages ago a Jane, 90 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: I had always rented, and I was just on my 91 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: story talking as I always fucking do every single night 92 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: about something random. And I've found I don't know about 93 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: you as much, Matt, but in my career, the two questions, 94 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: three questions that I got asked the most throughout my 95 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: whole youtubing careers when are you having kids? When are 96 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: you buying a house? And when are you getting married? 97 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: Which is so funny because I never get any of 98 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 2: those three questions. 99 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: So they are my most commonly asked questions. And the 100 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: other day I randomly went live on TikTok and the 101 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: comments were when are you and aj having kids? I've 102 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: been asking those questions all the time, and Agent and 103 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: I were renting forever, lived in a million houses. This 104 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: is this is I don't know if this is like 105 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: COVID times and people were asking when are you gonna 106 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: buy a house, blah blah blah. So I went on 107 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: this massive rent on my story and I was just 108 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: essentially saying, this is before rent was what it fucking 109 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: is now as well, mind you, this is when rent 110 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: was not wild like it fucking is. And I went 111 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: on my story one night, and I was just kind 112 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: of saying, like, what's so bad if we choose to 113 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: rent for the rest of our lives. It wasn't me 114 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: saying fuck buying a house. Fuck it, I'm not gonna 115 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: do that, But it was more so like me challenging, 116 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: Like I think I've always been one to kind of 117 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: try to challenge like the norms that society sets out 118 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: for us. And so I jumped on my story and 119 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: I'm like, so, what like if we spend the rest 120 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: of our lives renting and we're happy with where we're living, Like, 121 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: why does everyone keep saying to us like when are 122 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: you buying? When are you buying? Like when are you 123 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: going to get engaged? Like I was like, I don't know. 124 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: I was in a like angry mood that day, and 125 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: I was like, so what if we just decide that 126 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: we want to rent and we're happy renting? And I 127 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: said that back then because that's what we were happy 128 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: doing in that moment. That house will probably be a 129 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: fucking fortune now. But that's what I said back then. 130 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: But you also did some like little calculations and things 131 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: like that. I remember the stories you were like saying 132 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: and from my understanding the way that I watched it, 133 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 2: the insinuation was that renting was better than owning a 134 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: house though me for you, yeah, back, not for everyone, 135 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: but for you, yeah at. 136 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: That time, like we were like I was happy doing that, 137 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: And that's what I was saying, Like, so what you know, 138 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: because I feel like society has made everyone feel like 139 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: if you and this is what I said on my stories, 140 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, society has made everyone feel like if you 141 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 1: don't buy a house, then you haven't fucking ticked the box. 142 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: But that's what I was trying to say on my story, you. 143 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: Haven't lived until you've had kids. 144 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 1: Yes, like this, And I get these questions all the time, 145 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: Like people still are like when are you and AJ 146 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: going to get engaged? When are you and AJ gonna 147 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: have kids? And I would get that question all the 148 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: time about buying a house too. I'm like, you don't 149 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: have to buy a house to be successful in life. 150 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: You can do lots of other things. And like that's 151 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: what I was getting at back then. I was like, 152 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: we're happy renting, Like we're happy with the rent that 153 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: we're paying. Mind you, this was four years ago. Maybe 154 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: rent was a lot cheaper back then. Now it's fucking 155 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: different because you used to rent to then be able 156 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: to eventually afford a house, but now it's like, if 157 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: you're renting. 158 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: You can't afford house. 159 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot has happened since I said that 160 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: on my story. But even then agent and I actually 161 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: had this goes really deep, like into my family and 162 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: stuff with my mum. But I never had any interest 163 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: in buying a house. The whole idea came about because 164 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: I was trying to mend a relationship with my mum. 165 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: Were not men, but I was trying to. I don't 166 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: want to go too into it because it's like touchy. 167 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: I know, I make jokes about it, but essentially, my 168 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: mum was working for me. She isn't anymore. I think 169 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: everyone knows that by now. I don't know, but then 170 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: again people still ask about her. My mum was working 171 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: for us. I knew how much that we were paying her, 172 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: and I knew how much rent she was paying, and 173 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: so me being me and trying to like make our 174 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: relationship great, like the whole First of all, the whole 175 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: thing came about because we were going to buy an 176 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: apartment for my mum to live in. This is how 177 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: this whole thing started. Age and I were going to 178 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: continue renting. 179 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,119 Speaker 2: Like investment property vies, but it's your mum as the tennis. 180 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so I even we went because there's all 181 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: these new developments like happening in Newcastle, and so I 182 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: went to like look at the showroom, got the paperwork. 183 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: I paid a little deposit, and then we were going 184 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: to buy an investment property and probably live in it 185 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: ourselves for the first six months or whatever the fuck 186 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: you have to do, and then Shad's was going to 187 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: move into it. I paid a deposit and everything. That's 188 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: how this whole house thing came about, all because like 189 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: I was trying to do good by her, which bit 190 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: me in the ars down the track, but anyway, we 191 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: won't say to him on the internet. And then that 192 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: fell through because my solicitor said it was like a 193 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: red flag because you know when you're buying something off 194 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: the plan blah blah blah. And so that fell through, 195 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: and then that's when plan B came about. All right, well, 196 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: we're not buying this investment property for her to live in, 197 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: so let's fucking buy a house. But the whole deal 198 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: was it needs to have a granny flat in the back. 199 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: So that's how the whole thing came about of us 200 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: buying a house. And then now Shadows doesn't live in 201 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: that house and she's not in. 202 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: My life, so you've renovated everything. 203 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so that's how it all came to be. 204 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: Was a plan to renovate originally anyway when you because 205 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: it was like. 206 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: A really old house, like old fashioned, so we're always 207 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: going to renovate it. But like, the whole reason that 208 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: this whole thing of us buying a house came about 209 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: was because we were going to buy the apartment and 210 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: then it fell through and we're like, all right, well 211 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: we're not going to get that apartment. Oh well, let's 212 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: just buy a house and she can live out the back. 213 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: So that's my story why. 214 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 2: You decided to buy a house. Yeah. Nice. She's also said, 215 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: you know, Matt always saying what I think could be bullshit, 216 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 2: and then maybe a month or so realizing it. 217 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: Was yeah maybe not. 218 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I've changed my mind halfway through a segment, 219 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: like I've been like, he's just so stupid, and then 220 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: by the end of the conversation, I go, actually, you 221 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: know what, maybe I retract everything I said, that's always 222 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 2: been my thing. I'm always learning. I'm always learning. 223 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: I think one of the hardest things about being online is, 224 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: like I said at. 225 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 2: The start of this episode, yeah, you say something and. 226 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: That people take what you say and then like, that's 227 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: that's your belief and like if you ever change your 228 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: mind on that, then no, because you said this that time. 229 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. 230 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: I think that's like the tricky thing about being online 231 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: and like having a podcast or chatting on your story 232 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: is people will like take it and be like, but 233 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: you said, and I'm like, yeah, that was five years ago. Yeah, 234 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: Like people like you said, changed their mind during a conversation. 235 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. So basically I think it's healthy too. 236 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: I think it's healthy to change your mind. 237 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: Change your mind, change your life. Yes, change whatever you want. 238 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 2: And I'm all about like change. Like when people go 239 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: you've changed, I'm like, well, what do you want? Can 240 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: you imagine me staying the same as I was in 241 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: twenty and thirteen? 242 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: Do we wear in vests? Matt Oh, this is the 243 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: thing is that that can you please wear a T 244 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: shirt with a vest? One? 245 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 2: They're selling Christmas vests at kmart. You need to literally 246 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: Christmas tuxedo ves and I said to Sky when we 247 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: walked past, I said, imagine I still wore vess that 248 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: one would have been coming home with me, no questions asked. 249 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: It's absolutely ridiculous. So she said, in saying this, what 250 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: are your opinions now on all things living? I don't 251 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 2: really know what that means, she. 252 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: Said, all things living, housing, career, education, friends, families, building family, 253 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: you name it. 254 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, right now, at this point in my life, 255 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: building family kneel interests me too. That could change in 256 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 2: the future, but right now Sky and I are both like, 257 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: we are too selfish with our money. It's fucking expensive 258 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 2: to raise a child, and for me, adoption, surrogacy, whatever 259 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: it might be. That shit's expensive. I would rather not 260 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: spend that money. I'd actually rather take us to fucking Italy. Sorry, 261 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? Like, That's where I'm 262 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 2: at at the moment. We're both on the same page 263 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: with that. Even a dog we both love. I've always 264 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: I've had a few dogs in my life, Like, I've 265 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 2: always wanted to have a dog of my own, and 266 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: Sky just loves dogs so much. We want one, But 267 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 2: right now our lifestyles do not align and it would 268 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: be unfair of us to actually get a dog because 269 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: we don't have the time to commit to raising a puppy. 270 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 2: So if we can't do that, fuck bringing a kid 271 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: into the mix, you know what I mean. That's my 272 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: opinion on that opinion on opinion on education. Okay, I 273 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: never got any sort of education at all, never went 274 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: to university, never went to university. I struggled with knowing. Okay, 275 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 2: here's actually we'll get a bit deep and meaningful as 276 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: to why I don't I feel I don't have an education. 277 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: Is because growing up queer is you are five steps 278 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: behind everyone else, because everyone else just kind of gets 279 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: to hit the ground running with knowing exactly who they are, 280 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 2: whereas I was obviously very confused for a lot of 281 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: my developing years. I knew I didn't fit in with 282 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: anyone else. So while everyone else is learning their times tables, 283 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: my brain's going I think, I like boys. I'm distracted, 284 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: and so I have, like, I really believe that as 285 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: queer people, we have a what do you call it, 286 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: like a handicap almost on life because there's so much 287 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: figuring out that happens in those very early years, and 288 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: especially when we're at school, and I feel that as 289 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: queer people here we go this will this will be 290 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 2: a statement that I'm sure when I die, like they'll 291 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: put this quote in the daily fucking mail. I think 292 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: as queer people, we spend so much of our time 293 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: trying to figure out who we are that we don't 294 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 2: have enough time to figure out what we want to be. 295 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: So right up until year twelve, I couldn't give a 296 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: shit what I did after high school. I was trying 297 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: to figure out who I was that day, Like, what's 298 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: going on inside my brain at this current moment. I 299 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: don't care for tay or university or anything like that. 300 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 2: I can't even think about five years in the future 301 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: because I'm still like, I don't know if I want 302 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: to wear a dress or put makeup on or not today. 303 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: Like it's like that's kind of what was occupying my brain. 304 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: So by the time I got to year twelve, no 305 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: idea what I wanted to do. That meant I didn't 306 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 2: give a shit about my scores in in the HSC 307 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: and things. So about four or five weeks before the HC, 308 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: I went I want to be a speech pathologist, and 309 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: that's what I wanted to be I wanted to help 310 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: little kids speak if they had speech impediments. It's because 311 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: I had a boyfriend at the time had a speech impediment, 312 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm going to be a speech pathologist. 313 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: But I genuinely, for the first time in my life, 314 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: was like, this is what I want to do. And 315 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: I was like, I am so determined to get a 316 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: score good enough in the HSC that it will take 317 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 2: me to university. And I was like, this is all 318 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: the things I have to study, These are all the 319 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 2: things I have to do. I was like, I've got 320 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: five weeks. Let's fucking crush this. I'm going to be 321 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 2: a speech pathologist. I had so much passion for it, 322 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: but unfortunately, the way that the system works here in 323 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: New South Wales is your assignments throughout the year count 324 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: towards your HSC result. And I did the like Atar 325 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: calculator to calculate the score that I would get, and 326 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: I was like, even if I got one one hundred percent, 327 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: which is impossible, but even if I got one hundred 328 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 2: percent in all my exams in the HC, my number 329 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: would still be like twenty less than the number I 330 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: would need to be a speech pathologist, which is quite high. 331 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: So then my dreams were crashed and I was like, well, 332 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 2: nothing to live for whatever then, and then I just 333 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: flunked the whole HC went fuck the Lottiers, and I 334 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: ended up with I didn't get a dot. You get 335 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: a dot if your score was like less than thirty 336 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: or something. But yeah, I think my atar was really 337 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: really low. And I don't want to be an asshole, 338 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: but I would argue that my life has turned out 339 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: fucking better than some of those other people who spent 340 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: every waking moment studying and doing all of that. And 341 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: it's funny that I just feel like everything worked out 342 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: in the end, and everything kind of happened for a reason, 343 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: because imagine I did go on to speech pathology, I 344 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: never would have worked the Santa photography job, never would 345 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: have met you, We wouldn't be sitting here today. 346 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: Everything always has a way of working out, even if 347 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: it's not what you had planned. And I think like 348 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: that I've always felt this way, Like I feel like 349 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: I always have been mentally conscious of like trying to 350 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: go against the grain, like I don't care for education 351 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: at all, Like fair enough if you want to be 352 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: like a doctor, or a psychologist, like those careers out 353 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: there where you need that fucking education, then absolutely, But 354 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: especially like in my world that I'm in, like all 355 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: my staff that come into my roles, I couldn't care 356 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: less what you knew they went to or what degree 357 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: they did, because we're in creative roles where you learn 358 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: on the fucking job and if you can bring some 359 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: creativeness to the table, then you've got the social media 360 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: job or whatever for sure. So that's I'm the same 361 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: about education. I don't have an education other than year eleven, 362 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: and even then I just didn't care about being there. 363 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 2: I will say as well, the landscape has changed so 364 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: much different. 365 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: Now you can get a job by posting a TikTok 366 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: and the brand notices you and you get yourself an interview. 367 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: I mean like in high school. If I was leaving 368 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: high school today, there would be roles that I would 369 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 2: be passionate about. 370 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 1: Exactly we didn't have. We didn't have the as options 371 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: back then. 372 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, we sound like fucking boomers. It was so 373 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: much harder for us. But genuinely, if there was a 374 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 2: fucking social media marketing degree of some sort, which I'm 375 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: sure something like that exists, I'd probably have jumped at 376 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: that because that's up my alley. But at the time, 377 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 2: there was nothing, like there was not much creative stuff 378 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 2: to do unless you were going to go to Nider 379 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: or something like that and go to the dramatic arts school. 380 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 2: I think the other thing as well is I truly 381 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: believe that the year twelve my school, it got a 382 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 2: bit culty towards the end, and they basically were like 383 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 2: drilling into our heads if you don't get an atar, 384 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: you are going to die. You will die, you will 385 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: not have a good life, you will fail life. 386 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all. 387 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: I don't believe that at all either. I now know 388 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: like the people who because I remember being in school 389 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: and the people who left in like at the end 390 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: of year ten to become tradees and things like that. 391 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: And there was this one guy who I remember dropped 392 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 2: out of school, you know, wasn't really the best at 393 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: education and things like that, and I remember him dropping 394 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: out to become a trade and I remember all of 395 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 2: us who were still in school to get out ata 396 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: all of us laughing and going, oh, good luck to him, 397 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: like he's gonna go be a trainee like lo like 398 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: we're gonna get atys and got a YEARNI and blah 399 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: blah blah. Like I'm not saying that me personally. That 400 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: was the conversation I was having with That was just 401 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: the That was just the understanding in the school is 402 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 2: that anyone who dropped out and went to TAFE or 403 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 2: they're never going to amount to anything. Let me tell you, 404 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 2: this motherfucker has a construction business, employees, hundreds and hundreds 405 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 2: of employees, and by the looks of it, earns millions 406 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 2: of dollars while the rest of us, like, not me personally, 407 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 2: I guess because I didn't get the atar, but the 408 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: rest of us sat around looking for that atar, And 409 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 2: now what salary are you on compared to this one 410 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: that's gone. So realistically, no matter what education you get, 411 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,239 Speaker 2: it does not define where you will end up in 412 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: life and the money you will make or could make, 413 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 2: or the businesses you will run, et cetera, et cetera. 414 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 2: So for anyone who I know, we don't have that 415 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: many young listeners in high school, but I feel like 416 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 2: for people who have left high school and maybe didn't 417 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: get as good of an education as they as they wanted. 418 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 2: Take it from two fucking bogans from the Central Coast 419 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: in Newcastle who also didn't get it, didn't get an education. 420 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: Is that you know you can still do it. 421 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: You can still do it for sure. 422 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: To sum it up, do whatever the fuck you want, 423 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: say whatever the fuck you want, except that people we 424 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: changed throughout our lives. I'm sure all the shit that 425 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: we sit here and say on this podcast now in 426 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, I bet you a million dollars in 427 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: two years from now, we will completely disagree with the 428 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: things that we're saying today. 429 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: I think about that from episodes from three months ago. 430 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 2: People bring things up I say, and I go, I 431 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: don't really think that anymore. 432 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: But that's finally, and that's normal, and that's part of life. 433 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: It's part of life. And remember life is short. Any 434 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 2: of us could die tomorrow. So today, let's not waste 435 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: it harping on, you know, ridiculous bullshit like whether someone's 436 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: changed or not. Let's just enjoy every moment. 437 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: And can people stop asking me when I'm fucking getting 438 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: engaged in having kids please respectfully. 439 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 2: The kids one pisses me off as well, because they 440 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: don't know whether you could. You know, you don't have 441 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: had miscarriages. You could be on an IVF journey, blah 442 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: blah blah. You never know, you may be you may 443 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 2: be infertile and never be able to have kids. So 444 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: I think asking people when you're gonna have kids is 445 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: really rude. It is, and I still get I never 446 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: would I would never ask anyone that. 447 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: But for the record, I'm just not fucking interested right now. 448 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: I really like sleeping through the night. It's not interested 449 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: in changing a nappy or hearing screaming. Like genuinely, I'm 450 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 1: not that it does not interest me. Could that interest 451 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: me in three years? Yes? And if that does interest 452 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: me in three years, don't say well you said, because 453 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: shut the fuck up. Everyone says things. 454 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well it's getting heated. It is, it's 455 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: getting heated, So we better wrap this up. But thank 456 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: you for listening to another episode of Close Friend Scrollers. 457 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: Guess what see your next Tuesday, Your next Tuesday.