1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, May seven, twenty twenty five. Array of light 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: for the Liberal Party. MP Tim Wilson has won back 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: his seat of Goldstein, turfing out Teal Independent Zoe Daniel. 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Labour's environmental wing wants Anthony Albanesi to go faster on 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: climate mitigation, arguing voters have shifted from the Greens to 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: the government and want to see a twenty thirty five 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: emissions target above seventy percent. You can read all the 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: latest from the drastically reshaped federal political landscape right now 10 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: at The Australian dot com dot au. The only survivor 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: of a deadly mushroom lunch has told a jury after 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: eating allegedly poisoned beef Wellington, he led a prayer for 13 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: his niece, who's charge with three counts of murder and 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: one of attempted murder. Aaron Patterson had told Ian Wilkinson, 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: his wife, Heather, and her parents in law, Don and 16 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: Gail Patterson, she feared she had ovarian cancer, but the 17 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: jury has heard that was not true. Today, the first 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: eyewitness account from a lunch that killed three people. 19 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: Ian Wilkinson is an old man. He came into court 20 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: wearing a vest and a collared shirt. He had a 21 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: pin on his lapel which was a fish, the symbol 22 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: of Jesus Christ. 23 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: That's Ellie Dudley, the Australian's Legal affairs correspondent. She's covering 24 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: the trial of Aaron Patterson, the Victorian mother of two 25 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: who's pleaded not guilty to murdering three elderly relatives by 26 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: poisoning them with deaf cap mushrooms hidden in a beef 27 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: Wellington and attempt to murder a third. That third guest 28 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: is Ian Wilkinson, a Baptist pastor and the only surviving 29 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: guest from that July twenty twenty three mushroom lunch at 30 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson's house in Lee and Gatha in Country Victoria. 31 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: On Tuesday, Ian Wilkinson stepped into the witness box in 32 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: the Victorian Supreme Court, sitting at the Latrobe Valley Law 33 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: Courts in Morewell. 34 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: Aaron Patterson's been sitting in court every day. She's sitting 35 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: in a little box with a window in front of 36 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: her up the back of the court. So there is 37 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: a moment that my colleague John Ferguson recalled when Anan 38 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: Wilkinson walked into court, the jury were already in there, 39 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: and he appeared to hold Aaron Patterson's gaze for a 40 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: period of time before walking up to the witness box, 41 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 2: giving his oath and then beginning to give evidence. 42 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: Ian Wilkinson, now seventy one, is related to Aaron Patterson 43 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: by marriage through his late wife, Heather. Ian Wilkinson told 44 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: the court Heather, who was sixty six in July twenty 45 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: twenty three, was working as an English teacher with new migrants. 46 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Heather was Aaron Patterson's auntie. She was the younger sister 47 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: of Erin's mother in law, Gail Patterson. We've used voice 48 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: actors to bring you the words spoken in court. 49 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 3: She was the baby of the family. 50 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: He laughed quite a bit while he was giving evidence. 51 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: Something that I said to John Ferguson, the associate editor 52 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: of The Australian who's covering this trial with me, was 53 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: that he seems really joyful, which was unexpected to me. 54 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: You know, he's lost his wife, he's lost his wife's 55 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 2: sister and her husband. He's had an astronomical amount of 56 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: media attention. His whole life has been uprooted, but he 57 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: appeared to be quite joyful. He's frail to an extent, 58 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: but perhaps not as frail as you would expect him 59 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: to be as somebody who spent over a month in 60 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: hospital after being allegedly poisoned with death cat mushrooms. He 61 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: just appears to be a gentle old man. 62 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: Ian Wilkinson and Aaron Patterson had been related for several decades. 63 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: He remembered on only two previous occasions visiting Aaron at home, 64 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: but never stepping inside. 65 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: We were outside the house and in the driveway, I 66 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 3: suppose you'd call it, and we spoke there. We spoke 67 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: to Aaron on the doorstep. 68 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Jane Warren's words are read by a voice actor. 69 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: How would you describe Erin as a person? 70 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: Well, just seemed like normal person to me. You know. 71 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: When we met, things were friendly. We never had arguments 72 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: or disputes or she just seemed like an ordinary person. 73 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: I don't know how to describe it. Our relationship was friendly, amicable. 74 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 3: It didn't have much depth. We were more like acquaintances. 75 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: We didn't see a great deal of each other. 76 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: When in July twenty twenty three, Aaron Patterson invited the 77 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: Wilkinsons and her parents in law, Don and Gale Patterson 78 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: to lunch at her new home in Land. Gaffer Ian 79 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: Wilkinson remembered his wife being thrilled. 80 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: Heather came through. I was still in the main body 81 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: of the church. She came through from the hall and 82 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: told me we'd been invited to Aaron's home from a meal. 83 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: She was fairly excited and she said that good news 84 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: sort of thing. There was no reason given for the lunch, 85 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: and I remember talking to Heather wondering why suddenly the invitation. 86 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: How did you feel about the invitation. 87 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: We were happy to be invited. Yeah, seemed like maybe 88 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: our relationship with Aaron was going to improve. 89 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: When they arrived carrying a fruit platter, Heather Wilkinson was 90 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: keen to investigate Aaron Patterson's pantry, her husband said. Heather 91 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: was keen to have a pantry of her own at 92 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: home and interested in ideas. She and Gail Patterson started 93 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: moving towards the pantry. Wilkinson told the jury. 94 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: Heather was calling out to me, come and look at 95 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: the pantry. I'd noticed that Aaron was very reluctant about 96 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: the visit to the pantry and not yet started following them. 97 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: I thought that maybe the pantry's a mess. It's going 98 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 3: to be an embarrassment, so I wouldn't add to the 99 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: embarrassment by joining the pantry. They went to look at 100 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 3: the pantry, and Erin followed them in, and they stood 101 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: in there for some time talking about the pantry. Heather 102 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 3: called out to me, come in here and have a look. 103 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: I thought i'd be polite and just stayed where we 104 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: were standing, talking with Don. 105 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: He said. As Aaron mashed potatoes and put the food 106 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: on the plates on the kitchen bench, both Heather and 107 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: Gale offered to help. 108 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: The offer was rejected and Aaron plaited. There was mashed potatoes, 109 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 3: green beans, and beef Wellington. 110 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: The beef Wellington. Did you see where that came from 111 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: before it was plaited? 112 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 3: No, I didn't. Each person had an individual serve. It 113 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: was very much like a pasty if you imagine a 114 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 3: pasty being put on a plate. It was a pastry case, 115 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 3: and when we cut into it there was steak and mushrooms. 116 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: There were four large gray dinner plates and one smaller 117 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: plate a different color. It was an orangey tan sort 118 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: of color. 119 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: Once the food was plated. How were those plates distributed? 120 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: Well, the plates were distributed by three different people. Gail 121 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: picked up two of the gray plates and put them 122 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: on the table. Heather picked up two of the gray 123 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: plates and put them on the table, and Aaron picked 124 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: up the odd plate and carried it to the table. 125 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: She took it to her place at the table. 126 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: They said grace and it began eating, and Wilkinson said 127 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: he and Heather both ate their entire meal while Gaiel 128 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: ate half her beef wellington? Doohn Patterson ate his entire meal? 129 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: And he also ate the half of the beef wellington 130 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: that his wife Gail didn't finish. And there was some 131 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: banter or teasing about that. 132 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I remember. There was talk about husbands 133 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: helping their wives out by eating extra food. Heather mentioned, oh, 134 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: we should have shared a beef wellington because she thought 135 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: the meal was a bit on the large side for her. 136 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 3: So that's the reason I remember who ate what? 137 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: They shared a cake and some fruit, And that's when, 138 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 1: according to Ian Wilkinson, Aaron Patterson revealed she had cancer. 139 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: He thinks he recalls her saying it was overian cancer. 140 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: She said that she was very concerned because she believed 141 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: it was very serious, life threatening. She was anxious about 142 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: telling the kids, and she was asking our advice about that. 143 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: I thought this is the reason that we'd been invited 144 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: to the lunch. 145 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: The jury has heard in the Crown's opening statement that 146 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: the prosecution case is that Aaron Patterson used the story 147 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: about having cancer as a pretext for inviting the elderly 148 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: relatives and her husband, Simon to the lunch without the 149 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: children being present. Simon Patterson declined the invitation. Aaron Patterson's 150 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: defense has conceded she did not have cancer, but reject 151 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: that case theory. In the witness box, Ian Wilkinson said 152 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Patterson wanted advice on how to speak to the children. 153 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 3: Don spoke first and he said he thought it would 154 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: be best to be honest with the kids. Then there 155 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 3: was a bit of general conversation and that was what 156 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 3: we all thought. 157 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: They stopped the conversation after Aaron's son came home with 158 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: a friend. 159 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: I prayed, asking God's blessing on Aaron, that she would 160 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: get the treatment she needed, that the kids would be okay, 161 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 3: that she'd have wisdom in how she told the kids. 162 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: Then the prayer concluded as the boys arrived in the room. 163 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: The Wilkinsons left about three pm. After Ian worked on 164 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: his sermon for the next day, they went to bed 165 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: around eleven pm. 166 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: I don't think either of us had fallen asleep, and 167 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: Heather got up abruptly out of bed and made her 168 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: way the laundry and I could hear vomiting. She was 169 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 3: vomiting into the laundry trough. It wasn't very long after 170 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: that that I also felt the need to go and vomit. 171 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: It continued right throughout the night. We had vomiting and diarrhea. 172 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 3: That that continued right through the night. 173 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: Ian Wilkinson told the jury they spent the night camped 174 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: near the bathrooms. Around dawn, Heather spoke to Donal Gail Patterson, 175 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: and later that morning Simon Patterson, Erin's husband, came to 176 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: the house. 177 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: He was quite concerned about us. He asked us to 178 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: call an ambulance. Heather and I said, ah, this is 179 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: case of gastro you know, a few hours will be 180 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: all right. 181 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: Simon insisted and took the Wilkinsons to Curranborough Hospital, where 182 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: his parents were, but they were sent on to Lean 183 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: Gather hospital. 184 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: I recall in the lean Gaffa Hospital, Heather reminding me 185 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: that there were different plates. I think she just plainly 186 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 3: said there were different colored plates. Wondering why we were ill, 187 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 3: She just noticed the difference in the colours between the 188 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 3: plate erin was using and our plates. 189 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: The doctor on duty, Chris Webster, thought it was food poisoning. 190 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 3: My memory was that suspicion was falling on the meat. 191 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: Exhausted, the pair spent the night in adjoining hospital beds. 192 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 3: We were abruptly woken up by a group of nurses 193 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 3: who literally ran us down the corridor in our beds 194 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: to the urgent care area. Chris Webster was waiting in 195 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 3: the urgent care area. He said that he had a 196 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 3: communication from the Daninong Hospital indicating suspected mushroom poisoning. He 197 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: was very frank. He said it's an extremely serious situation. 198 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 3: He said there is a time critical treatment available and 199 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: he was very concerned that we'd be transported quickly to Daninong. 200 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: They were sedated, intubated and taken to the Austin Hospital 201 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: in Melbourne to be treated for amanita poisoning death cap mushrooms. 202 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: After a fortnight in hospital, Ian Wilkinson was dis charged 203 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: to rehab, where he spent several weeks. By the time 204 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: he returned home, his wife was dead, along with Dawn 205 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: and Gale Patterson coming up what Aaron Patterson's defense barrister 206 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: asked Ian Wilkinson in cross examination. In cross examination, Aaron 207 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: Patterson's barrister, Colin Mandy s C probed numerous parts of 208 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: Ian Wilkins's evidence. Aaron Patterson's defense, outlined by Mandy in 209 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: his opening address to the jury, is that the fatal 210 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: lunch was a tragedy and a terrible accident. Colin Mandy 211 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: wanted to know if Aaron Patterson came to Ian Wilkinson's 212 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: church services more frequently than he had previously indicated. Wilkinson 213 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: said yes, sometimes she came fortnightly instead of monthly. Mandy 214 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: asked Wilkinson to agree that sometimes his wife, Heather would 215 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: drop around and see erin and drop in some sweet 216 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: treats for the kids. 217 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 3: She did drop around some food. 218 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: Mandy wanted to know if Aaron had been helpful with 219 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: live streaming Ian's church services during COVID. He agreed. Mandy 220 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: also wanted to know if Ian Wilkinson had changed his 221 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: story since first speaking to the police. In his police statement, 222 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: Wilkinson said only that Aaron had described suspected cancer, that 223 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: she wasn't definitive about having had a diagnosis. Mandy probed 224 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: this distinction. Wilkinson said he was now confident Aaron Patterson 225 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: said she definitely did have cancer. 226 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: I think she was saying she had cancer because she 227 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 3: talked about a diagnostic scan of some sort that showed 228 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: a tune. I believe that she was saying she had cancer. 229 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 3: It wasn't an impression. She plainly said that she had 230 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: some sort of cancer. Her voice was low at that point. 231 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: I couldn't exactly catch what sort of cancer she was naming, 232 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: but she named a type of cancer. She went on 233 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: to speak about the scan and that this was a 234 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: serious situation, a situation that made her afraid for the 235 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: future of her kid's. 236 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: The trial continues. You can follow all Ellie Dudley and 237 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: John Ferguson's reporting anytime at the Australian dot com dot 238 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: au