WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 24 April 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.119 Late welcome, lait pay. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:08.560 Good evening and thanks for joining us. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.160 I'm James macpherson with Liz Storer and Joe Hildebrand coming 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.000 up tonight. You think the housing crisis is bad, it's 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:18.079 much worse than that. We'll show you a little later. 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:21.680 Blocks of Sydney, blocks of land in Sydney. They're tiny 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.639 blocks selling for one well over a million dollars. And 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:27.440 here's the real amazing part of it. They're not vacant 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.240 and wait until you see what's on them. Plus, when 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.080 we look at the papers, a Muslim group favoring the 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.960 Liberal Party at the election in order to get back 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.080 at Labor for their gaza policy. And of course special 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.000 tributes to our diggers as the newspapers mark the one 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.040 hundred and ten year anniversary of Anzac David. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:46.960 Let's start with the federal election. 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.440 Of course, it's still nine days away, but early voting 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.200 has already started and the early results are quite remarkable. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.000 Exit polling conducted by the Daily Telegraph, who interviewed four 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:03.040 thousand people Acrossteen regional seats as they left polling booths, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:07.039 found the government's primary vote has increased by four point 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:08.000 six percent. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:09.679 Now that's remarkable when. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:12.919 You can see that typically it's conservatives who vote early. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.120 You'll see there the coalition's vote has increased by two 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:17.160 point eight percent. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.200 But here's the really fascinating part. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:19.560 Have a look. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:23.400 They're at one nation. Their vote is just two point 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:27.160 five percent. That's their primary vote, fifty percent down on 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:28.000 what it was at. 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:28.959 The last election. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.880 Now here's the bit I want to understand. Maybe Liz 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:35.240 and Joe can help me. The latest News poll had 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:39.640 one Nation polling at seven percent, and yet exit polling 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.840 shows them at just two point five percent. That's a 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:47.120 massive discrepancy. So listen, Joe, what's going on. How do 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:47.960 you explain that. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.160 I'm glad you asked. I have come up with a 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:55.200 new electoral phenomenon. It's copyrighted, so don't try to steal it. 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.880 You heard it here first. Like we had the shy 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:59.920 Trump voter in the US, I think we have this 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.960 shy one nation voter in Australia. And there's a couple 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.920 of interesting things about this pole. One is that, as 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.280 you say, usually early polling in the old days used 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.360 to favor conservatives, and that was because it was often 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.239 older people who wanted to do it, and they tend 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.720 to skew conservative. They don't want to be lining up 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.040 in the in the heat and the sun all day 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.639 at night, so they get out and do it. And 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:25.920 so that is maybe even why you've seen a bit 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.480 of a jump in the coalition's primary vote as well. 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.720 But of course we're seeing a much much bigger jump 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.400 in the labor vote. Now, you cannot take any of 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.240 this hugely sit It's really interesting, but it's really really rough. 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.600 So these are people who have already made up their minds. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.160 So by definition, they're so made up their minds they 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.000 are not even interested in what the next week and 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.079 a half happens. You know, someone could be shot dead 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.160 in the main street, someone could turn out to be 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.639 Zoro or Jack the Ripper, they wouldn't care, right, they're 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.440 voting for the US, so they're rusted on, so that 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.959 tends to favor the major parties. So you're seeing here 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.440 massive dealer in the number of people who are voting 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:07.120 for others. So tiny minor parties and Independence Green stay 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.320 about the same because those voters are pretty rusted on 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.079 as well. But like you say, the thing that really 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.440 jumped out at me it was this tiny, little one 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.240 nation vote. And I think another thing that's going on 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:21.519 is that exit polls are the only polls now I 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:22.280 don't think even. 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:23.840 Roy Morgan does face to face anymore. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.160 They are the only polls where the polster actually asks 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.120 you how you're going to vote, or indeed how you 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.320 actually voted, face to face, so you are looking another 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:35.880 human being in an eye. And I think that skews 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:40.640 it massively, well massively towards more progressive parties, because I 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.800 think people will sort of virtue signaling and they don't 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.440 want to feel like they're just voting for the tax 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:46.320 cut or whatever they can get in their pocket or whatever, 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.560 or to keep the immigrants out or whatever, but especially 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:53.040 with a party. And again this came up again and 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.600 again and again, and it was controversial and it's been disputed, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.120 but it looks pretty obvious that it was there, this 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.800 idea that people were telling polsters, oh, no, I'm not 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.200 voting for Donald Trump, and then away they would go go. 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.480 And I think people are doing it right there, because 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.960 as you say, one nation was at five percent last 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.800 time around, that's double what they've come up here. And 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.800 since then we've seen a jump in newspoll. Just a 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.719 week ago of another two percent, so seven percent. So 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.760 I think there is a shy one Nation voter out there, 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.520 and I think when it comes to the Independence and 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.760 the other tiny parties, what you're seeing is people who 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.360 are thinking, maybe I will actually ditch both of them 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.520 and go to someone new. They're the sort of people 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.200 you would think a politic, very sort of what you 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.520 might call high informational people who are very engaged with 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.200 the process. They're going to wait it out until polling 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.800 day and that's when I'll put it down. So there 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:41.080 you go. 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.960 What do you think, Liz, you're buying that shy Yeah. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:49.200 Isn't that interesting though, that the society is such at 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.520 the moment that you wouldn't just stare down barrel and 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.280 tell the exit polar one nation all the way, baby, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:58.520 they're the ones who represent my views, if you are correct, Joe. 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.680 That's what we're a sent saying. People are like, oh, 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:06.320 much like the Trump shy Trump voters. They're just like, well, actually, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.599 I'm not going to say that that will get me 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.239 publicly disparaged. 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:11.839 But given I'm talking. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.520 To someone in person, I'm just going to tell a furfy. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.400 That's basically what we're saying here. But I think it's 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.279 remarkable that one in twenty five Australians that basically means 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:25.080 a million people have already voted within forty eight hours 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.120 of early polling. I think that reflects the mood of 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.080 the nation really. People just want to get this over 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.640 and done with. As we said when the campaign was finally, 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.320 oh it's officially happening, we felt like it had been 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:38.719 going for months already. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.000 I think people just want to get to early polling. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.880 Goodness knows how many votes will be left to cast 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.760 by the time we actually have polling day if we 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:47.920 keep up this rate. 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.640 So that is another really really good point, And I'm sorry, 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.760 I just had my head in this like for weeks now, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.279 and now that's actually happening. So that the Australian Electrical 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.880 Commission itself said we expect to have about a third 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.920 of people vote early, which would be in itself a record. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.000 The Australian National University that actually we think it could 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.160 be up to a half. Sources have spoken to in 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.839 the labor parties say it will be more than a half. 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.960 So by the time we actually get to polling day, 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:19.799 more than half of Australian voters will have already voted 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.200 before the public. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.560 Help understand the history here, because I think prior to 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.760 twenty ten you have to provide a writtenism reason for 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:28.640 voting early. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.560 Why was that kind of COVID. I've called it the 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.160 sort of the civic equivalent of working from home. So 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.640 clearly what has happened is people have realized that they 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.400 don't actually have to line up on polling day, they 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.760 can vote early, they can go away for the weekend, 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.720 they don't need to be anywhere or whatever. And basically 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.799 and then COVID of course happened, and so people were encouraged. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:54.279 Even though our election didn't quite coincide with lockdowns. Scott 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.880 Morrison got elected just before it hit, and then Anthony 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:59.560 Alberneze got elected just as the restrictions are being east. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:01.840 But there was still that idea, like with working from home, 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.080 that if you can avoid crowds, it's probably that's. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.280 A convenience, right, But in terms of a healthy democracy, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.960 wouldn't it be better to prevent early polling so that 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.880 people listen to both sides, listen to all they have 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.960 to say, and then we vote as a country rather 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.200 than in dribs and drabs. 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.600 Over two weeks with not having heard the arguments. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.200 It means that the parties who are fully aware of 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:30.760 when early voting happens need to roll out their policy sooner, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.840 especially things as huge as oh, an extra twenty one 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:38.040 billion on national security on defense. I mean that could 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.720 have been who knows, not quite a game changer, but 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.680 it could have made a dent had they announced that 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.760 two weeks prior. But it's been utterly it is fried 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:53.480 my brain. How late both of the major parties have 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.679 announced some of their most major policies that they're taking 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.040 to the election, when in fact the election has already been. 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.280 And also again just to go full nerd, just to 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.800 get my geek on, it means that the amount of 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.760 votes that Peter Dutton needs to win increases exponentially as 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.240 it gets closer and closer to polling day. So, for example, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.120 if he's got people voting early when he's down forty 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.880 eight fifty two, even if he has a miracle turnaround 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.720 and he's ahead fifty two forty eight in the last week, 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.760 that's not enough to get him over the line because 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.320 he's got to scramble and get back all the votes 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.160 that he's already lost or rather over compensate for all 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.200 the votes he's already lost, and that is very hard 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.120 to do. And we also have this thing we're doing 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.600 at news Court where we're do this is called voter verdict, 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:41.000 where we have a kind of tracking group of undecided voters. 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.880 And these are actually undecided voters. And this week it 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:50.240 was very very interesting. There was point one between them. 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.400 So we get them to each rank, We get them 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.720 to each rank the leader's performance over the past week 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:59.920 out of ten and it was I won't say who won, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:05.160 but it was very low scores, like six to five 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.040 point nine as a result. So it's very much a 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.280 pox on both your houses. And so that tells me 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.240 that these early results, which has would favor the two 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.480 major parties, we're actually going to see a blowout to 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:20.280 groups like One Nation, the TLS Independence. 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:22.080 We want to move on, but I've just one more 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.520 quick question on this topic. Yes, that might be of 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.600 interest to people, the huge number of early votes. Does 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.480 that mean a result will be known quicker on election now? 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:34.280 No? No, no, because they no matter what happens. I 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.280 call it it's like Schrodinger's cat, you know, the thought 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.440 experiment where there's a cat in a box, but you 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.360 can't see it, so you don't know if it's alive 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.640 or dead. And so the cat is both alive and 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.560 dead as far as anyone knows until you open the box, 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:46.800 and it. 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:47.480 Makes no difference. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.000 No, that's right. So you cannot start counting votes no 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:55.600 matter what, until six pm on polling day, and so 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:57.520 that's when it all comes out. The fact that there 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.360 are so many prepoles means they'll probably be counted faster 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:02.520 because they can all be gathered into the one spot 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.000 and be ready to go as soon as you hit 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.720 six o'clock. So it's good because you get an earlier result. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.760 But but no, you can't do anything, so there's no 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.439 way to know how the result's going and then try 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:13.400 to counter against it. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.480 That would be a massive spoiler, wouldn't it be? Like, Well, 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.360 out of the millions of pre bol votes, this is 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:20.200 how it's looking. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.679 But we'll get the rest and let you know after 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:23.640 six pm. 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:28.080 Well, with the one hundredth and tenth and zach Day 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:32.119 ceremony is about to take place tomorrow. Police have massively 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:37.160 stepped up security at war memorials throughout the country after 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:41.760 an obscene what can you even call this there is 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:46.440 nothing words cannot quantify how disgusting it is when we 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.120 see a war memorial defaced in this country. And that's 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:55.200 exactly what happened last week at a small town in Dorago. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.199 It was over one hundred years old. This monument you're 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.800 looking at now, it was established by diggers themselves who 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.480 had returned from war, was erected in nineteen twenty one, 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:14.080 made of Italian marble, and some absolute idiots last week 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:17.760 took it upon themselves to climb the statue and somehow 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.440 chisel out of the hand of the soldier that you 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.080 saw there the rifle that he was holding. One man 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:28.120 and one woman have been arrested for this crime, and 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.760 it's just obscene that we see that. In this case, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.800 it's not a bunch of kids. It's not a bunch 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.920 of kids who we've seen in the past on social 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:42.880 media with some rock and roll music in the background boasting. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:43.559 Of their exploits. 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:47.280 These are clearly adults, from what we understand, have been 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.360 arrested and charged for this. And this is in a town, 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.760 like I say, where it was erected by the diggers, 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.920 So they're families, many of them still living in the 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.960 town have lived to see this utter disgraceful treatment of 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.400 the ultimate sacrifice that their ancestors made. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:06.360 The other thing about tomorrow's memorial events is that police 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.679 have said they've already got twenty four to seven security 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.760 as you mentioned around war memorials. The right police will 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:17.439 be on duty in Sydney tomorrow to guard our servicemen 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.240 and women as they parade. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:20.600 It's just shocking to think. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.760 We've reached a point in our country where Ann's a 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.559 Day is now so contentious that we've got to guard 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:28.840 memorials in the lead up. We've got to have the 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.040 right police on standby for people who are supposed to 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.000 be honored and lauded for their sacrifice. They need to 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.320 be protected from a small but dangerous minority who hate 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:39.880 our country. 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.760 It's absolutely staggering, and it's being fueled, it seems. I mean, 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.600 we're already looking at an election that's really really ugly 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:50.720 in parts because division and anger is being stoked over 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.520 the Israel Palestine conflict. There is i'm told, a door 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.679 knocking campaign in the Inner West which is basically draw 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.240 knock for Palestine. So just go no not you know, 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.560 and some eighty year old pension opens the door, where 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.160 do you stand on Israel versus Palestine? Like what the 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.320 just insane? Obviously the Muslim vote and Muslim votes matter 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:14.040 movements are going after that as a single issue. In 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.520 Southwest Sydney where the's a highline population. We know that 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:23.719 there has been vandalism of Australian War memorial sites that 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:28.280 the Greens failed to condemn. We know, I remember years ago, 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.400 I believe there was some neo Nazi material, white spremaces 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.040 material that was at the war memorial in Hyde Park. 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:39.679 There was some weird French backpacker accidentally who vandalized the 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:45.080 cenotaph in Martin Place when he was pissed, but I 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:46.720 just had to mention because I think he was French. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:51.480 But point being, there is a very deliberate attempt it 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.720 seems to stir up this kind of stuff. You can 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.360 imagine the sort of people who love to deface and 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:01.000 vandalize Captain Cook statues and stuff like that, and you 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.680 just sort of wonder how far are we kind of 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.400 kind of let all this stuff go before you say, 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:11.360 you know what, maybe take your art's degree and go elsewhere. 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.240 Well, whatever anger there is regarding Anzac Day, it's nothing 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.360 compared to the anger in Victoria that still exists over 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.160 former Premier Dan Andrews. 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:20.160 Now you'll know that. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.600 This week it was revealed Dan andrews introduction of a 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:28.200 curfew that lasted two months in Melbourne was not at 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.720 all in response to health advice. It came from cabinet, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:34.160 which of course he led. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:34.600 Well. 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.760 Dan Andrews has been out of politics for a while 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.880 and just wants to enjoy his life playing golf, but 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.960 increasingly he's finding there's no golf course in the state 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:46.400 of Victoria that will have him, most recently the Portsa 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.840 Golf Course. Sorry, originally he went to Portsy and wanted 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.520 to play there. Steve Price, one of our Sky News colleagues, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.240 famously said he would tear up his own membership if 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:57.840 Dan Andrews was admitted. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.400 Then Dan Andrews went to the National of them. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:05.200 Paired up on the course together, taking each other's scores down. Well. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.520 Then when he couldn't get a shot at Portsy, dan 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:12.280 Andrews went to the National Golf Club. A letter was 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.880 sent to the leaders of that golf club from all 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.400 the members saying if you allow Dan Andrews to join, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.640 there will be a mass rebellion, so that never happened. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.560 Dan Andrews reportedly was at the driving range at Kingston 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.840 Heath and members who were on the course at the 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.960 time seeing him there just abandoned the course in protest. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.960 So he just hasn't been able to find anywhere to play, 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.160 though I suspect there's probably some golf courses in China 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.040 that would welcome him, but the moona Linx golf course 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.520 in the Mornington Peninsula is the latest course to advise 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.600 members that despite apparent attempts by Dan Andrews to join, 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.320 they won't be allowing him to become a member there either. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:54.280 I suppose that Dan Andrews should be grateful that restaurants, gymnasiums, 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.680 bars and shops don't follow suit in the state of Victoria. Personally, Liz, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.240 I don't like this. I think people should be allowed 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.520 to get on with your life, whatever our differences. But 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.760 the problem we've got, especially when it comes to something 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:09.920 like COVID where. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.000 People's human rights were trashed. 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:16.520 Is there's been no public reckoning. There's been no official accountability. 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.120 We've been told there would be a royal commission, and 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.280 of course there has not been and doesn't look like 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.640 there ever will be, and so people are rightly furious 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.000 and thinking, well, if the government won't hold each other accountable, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.040 well we'll do it ourselves on the golf course. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.680 Indeed, naturally people are taking matters into their own hand, 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:37.440 and they've got every right to. We cannot underestimate how 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.400 much these people suffered under this premiere. I still can't 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.920 believe he got reelected after that, but it goes to 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:47.240 show what kind of evoting catchment is hanging out at 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.000 these golf clubs. He is now a carier in his 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.240 own state. He's an outcast in his own state. He 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.320 can't find a golf course in which to hit around 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.800 a few balls, and I think that speaks volumes. It 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.160 was just in the past week alone that we learned 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:06.680 that his curfew to lock down five million Victorians over 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.520 the course of twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, when 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:15.080 almost one in ten Victorians were saying I have seriously 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:19.240 considered taking my own life over the last thirty days. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.479 That was a survey that was published in peer review 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:27.159 journals around the world. The research was so extensive. That 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:30.639 was the survey that came out in September of twenty 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.919 twenty in his state, and he kept going with these curfews, 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:39.320 which we've just discovered weren't even the idea of the 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:43.000 health experts. So not only was it not health advice, 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:47.359 those guys came out and said, this wasn't even our idea. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.919 We didn't even conceive this. It was Dan Andrews and 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.440 his cabinet who took it upon themselves to make sure 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.720 that Victorians had to have a permit to leave their 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:03.240 own house. Is so, I think whatever befalls this man 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.720 in terms of being kicked out of clubs, et cetera 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:10.159 and so on, he deserves every single bitter. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:15.600 Now, it was personal because he banned golf was too dangerous. 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:17.760 The COVID would get you if you were teeming off 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:18.880 on the at first. 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:20.920 This is one of the differences. I've never swung a 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.960 club in anger or otherwise for that matter. And this 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:25.560 was one of I having to live next door to 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.080 the royal and ancient Marrickville Public golf Course, and I've 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.760 never sun was there, but I do walk past it 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:34.480 every day and I just see all these weekend hackers, 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.040 you know, come out in their board shorts and you know, 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:39.440 smack the ball around a bit, and it's very much 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.360 the sort of working class kind of club and sort 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.440 of going out and going for my little jogs or whatever, 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.040 walks or whatever. And seeing them people are able to 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:49.879 do that and just have a bit of a laugh 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.600 and a chat with a may actually made me. It 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.560 actually cheered me up. It sounds weird, but it actually 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.080 really cheered me out. In the middle of lockdown as well, 0:18:58.080 --> 0:18:59.800 I thought, all least someone's having a good time. And 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:04.720 to me, that was the critical difference between the Victorian 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.119 government response and say, the New south Well's government response, 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.919 where the Victorians lets just locked down everything. I mean, 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.200 let's not forget these are people who shut down playgrounds 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.200 after they saw parents talking to each other while watching 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.960 their kids play. I mean, this is a weird kind 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.840 of psychotic response to a crisis. Like the lack of 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:26.880 humanity there, the lack of sort of empathy or compatity 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:31.520 just I find that impossible to comprehend. And so yes, 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:35.320 you know it's hard to feel any sympathy, but I'm 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:40.000 with you. I kind of think this is like it's 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:41.840 like a sort of pylon now and it's a part. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.400 It's like a ha, and it doesn't actually fix the problem. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.320 It doesn't even shed light on the problem. But it's 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.919 kind of like, no, but he does. It's almost like 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.240 that he deserves so much more. What he deserves is 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.160 to have everything that he did laid out in public. 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:00.800 You know what we is he doing? What was his 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.679 chuckling Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton doing when he was 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:07.320 just nodding along beside him, like, you know, like what actually? 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.600 But in the absence of that which we know, let's 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:12.879 be real, we're never going to get it suffer. I 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.000 think this is marvelous. People have taken it into their 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.720 own hands that this is our golf club. We love this, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.840 This is where we come to commune together to be happy. 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.720 Namely a golfer who doesn't absolutely love the sport. The 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.200 last thing they want to see is the guy who's 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:30.520