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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday, February nine, twenty twenty six. They broke up,

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Speaker 1: made up, split again, and now they're back together. The

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Speaker 1: federal opposition parties are once again a coalition after weekend

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Speaker 1: talks between Liberal leader Susan Lee and National's leader David

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Speaker 1: Little Proud. Lee has back down on her threat to

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Speaker 1: banish three rebel National MPs to the backbench for six months.

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Speaker 1: They'll serve a much shorter sentence, and Little Proud says

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Speaker 1: he's confident they can stand together against the Labor government

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Speaker 1: when Parliament resumes this week. For all our reporting and

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Speaker 1: analysis of that, check out Beaustralian dot com dot AU

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Speaker 1: spy agency AZO says it's not responsible for the Bondai

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Speaker 1: Beach anti Semitic massacre. The spooks have come out ahead

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Speaker 1: of an ABC four Corners report shared for Monday Night

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Speaker 1: with a forceful defense of their twenty nineteen conclusion that

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Speaker 1: shooter Navid Akram was not a violent extremist. AZIO says

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Speaker 1: the source for the ABC's yarn is a disgruntled, unreliable

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Speaker 1: former informant. It's awkward timing for the ABC, with editor

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Speaker 1: in chief and Managing director Hugh Marks due to appear

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Speaker 1: at a Senate estimates hearing this week, which will focus

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Speaker 1: on the broadcasters impartiality. Steve Jackson is The Australian's Media

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Speaker 1: Diary editor and is here to discuss how the grilling

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Speaker 1: will go. Plus, Jacko has a red hot scoop today

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Speaker 1: about an on assignment blow up between a star reporter

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Speaker 1: and a cameraman. Steve Jackson edits The Australian's Media Diary. Steve,

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Speaker 1: we've both been in the position where a government organization

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Speaker 1: denies our story, but it's rare for that to happen

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Speaker 1: before the story's published.

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Speaker 2: What's going on with Four Corners? You're right, Claire.

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Speaker 3: Usually the denials come to you alone, not to the

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Speaker 3: whole public. It's come from ASIO, which we all know

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Speaker 3: is the chief spying agency in Australia, and they think

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Speaker 3: they've got an inkling about what's going to be in

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Speaker 3: Four Corners on Monday Night. Now they are a spying agency,

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Speaker 3: you'd think their mail could possibly be correct. They tend

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Speaker 3: to this is what they do for their trade, and

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Speaker 3: they reckon that what is coming is unfair, and it's

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Speaker 3: been served up by a disgruntled former insider, and they're

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Speaker 3: so alarmed by it that they've actually gone to the

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Speaker 3: unprecedented step. And I don't know if you'll remember clear

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Speaker 3: any time in history where ASIO has come out and

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Speaker 3: say this isn't true. I can't recall that ever happening.

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Speaker 1: They try to remain in the shadows obviously. In fact,

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Speaker 1: a few times I've rung ASIO because they do have

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Speaker 1: which leads to an awkward conversation where it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: And they say how can I help you? Could they

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Speaker 1: In fact, they generally say no comment, So for them

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Speaker 1: to make a preemptive denial is very interesting. Now this

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Speaker 1: is part of a welter of Bondi stories that television

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Speaker 1: Current affairs shows are doing. Of course, everyone's already been

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Speaker 1: scooped on the big interview with the hero, haven't they.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, Anna Koran flew in from Hong Kong for she

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Speaker 3: was doing it. Next thing we know the interviews on air.

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Speaker 3: It's been broadcast around the world and everyone's going on,

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Speaker 3: did you know that nobody had any idea to happen?

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Speaker 3: Now sixty minutes is going to be interviewing Ahmed al

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Speaker 3: But I think in this circumstance, given he's a hero

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Speaker 3: what they've given him, whether it be a free lunch

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Speaker 1: BABC is going to be under more scrutiny this week

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Speaker 1: when Hugh Marx appears at Senate estimates what will be

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Speaker 3: Well, it's going to be tough for Hugh Marx. He

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Speaker 3: Sarah Henderson, herself, a former ABC journalist who won a

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Speaker 3: So she's going to be doing that again. I've spoken

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Speaker 3: She says that Sarah Ferguson took umbrage with the Senator

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Speaker 3: four Corners. On top of that, we can expect four

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Speaker 2: Pulled out of the Adelaide Writers.

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Speaker 3: Week because they supported the pro Palestinian author Randa Abdelfhatar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a scoop you broke in Diary where

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Speaker 1: two very senior ABC journalists Laura Tingle and Louise Milligan

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Speaker 1: Editorial director Gavin Fang said that that wasn't in any

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Speaker 3: Senator Henderson, very very intelligent lady. I don't think she's

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Speaker 2: Obviously.

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of authors also pulled out. I think if you

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Speaker 1: Hugh Mars has been in the chair at the ABC

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Speaker 1: a time when one of the big controversies was top

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Speaker 1: tier talent of the ABC expressing personal opinions on social media. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is a tough one for media organizations because many

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Speaker 1: of them actively encourage journalists to be on social media

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Speaker 1: has found a very receptive audience for their opinions, particularly

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Speaker 3: Well, he has made some inroads. We've seen it be

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Speaker 3: strict guidelines around that. But it's different for the ABC

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Speaker 3: going to be impartial, no bias, no opinion. You're there

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Speaker 3: it's an important role that they've got. But they've got

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Speaker 1: Another story you're breaking in the media diary today, Jacko,

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Speaker 1: is about an on the road staush between a reporter

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Speaker 2: It gets tense. There's confined quarters.

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Speaker 2: It's natural for tempers to fray.

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Speaker 3: Seven News reporter Inga Nielsen and cameraman Finn Hawkins, who

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Speaker 3: Now you can imagine as this vision's being fed back.

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Speaker 3: It's been sent around to all the networks and onto

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Speaker 2: Listen, you still an Arseholewise, there are a lot of expletives.

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Speaker 3: But that said, it's probably not in the top ten

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Speaker 1: It comes back again to social media, doesn't it. Apparently

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And look, to be honest, they both post up

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Speaker 3: Let's face it, a bunch of idiots are sometimes going

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Speaker 3: It's one of those problems where you know, you make

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Speaker 3: looks like it's cost these two people their friendship, and

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Speaker 3: let's just hope it doesn't cost them their jobs.

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Speaker 2: Coming up more of my conversation with Steve Jackson Jacko.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I love about the Media Diary

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Speaker 1: is that it's a bit of an equal opportunity tickle up.

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Speaker 1: You often have items about every single media organization in

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Speaker 1: a row, and then they're all left wondering who you're

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Speaker 1: really having a go out. They're all complaining to you

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Speaker 1: that you're unfairly targeting them. This week, you've got an

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Speaker 1: item about nine Radio, which has recently been bought by

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Speaker 1: in there now have found themselves in a bit of

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Speaker 1: a hot mess over trying to organize a party to

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Speaker 1: celebrate a significant milestone.

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Speaker 2: What's gone wrong?

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Speaker 3: Look, The Continuous Call Team is one of the most

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Speaker 3: successful shows on nine Radio's Talkback Network, it's syndicated nationally.

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Speaker 3: It's a big deal and having a big bash to

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Speaker 3: celebrate it reaching a big milestone, it's fortieth anniversary. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: somehow they've accidentally forgotten on purpose to invite the guy

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Speaker 3: who started the show and led.

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Speaker 2: It for much of its time.

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Speaker 3: It hasn't gone down very well with many of the

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Speaker 3: people who work on that show, and suffice to say,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it'll go down well with him either.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to read all about it, Jackson, Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much, Thank you for having me on. Steve Jackson

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