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Speaker 2: And it's a big show tonight.
Speaker 3: I have an exclusive story Penny Wong accused of villifying
Speaker 3: Israel and contributing to the climate of fear and anti
Speaker 3: Semitism in Australia. James Patterson and Dave Sharma warn that
Speaker 3: the Foreign Minister should tone down her language before this
Speaker 3: situation gets even worse. Dave Sharma even accusing the Foreign
Speaker 3: Minister of dog whistling. And he'll be on my show tonight.
Speaker 3: That exclusive story coming up in a moment. Plus Just
Speaker 3: Enterprise will be on the show live to speak about
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's vow not to stand in front of the
Speaker 3: indigenous flag at press conferences. And why are some Americans
Speaker 3: celebrating the man charged with the murder of the United
Speaker 3: Healthcare See what.
Speaker 2: Is wrong with this World? Also on the.
Speaker 3: Show tonight, Brdwin, Bishop, Dave Sharma, Warren Hogan and when
Speaker 3: we can expect rate cuts? Plus Israeli Deputy Foreign Affairs
Speaker 3: Minister Sharon Haskell, She'll be on live and she's going
Speaker 3: to respond to Penny Wong's comparison between.
Speaker 2: Israel and China and Russia. That's all coming.
Speaker 3: Up, but first to our exclusive story. Senior coalition figures
Speaker 3: are tonight accusing Penny Wong of dog whistling and creating
Speaker 3: a climate of fear for Jewish Australians with her provocative
Speaker 3: language against Israel. Both Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson
Speaker 3: and Liberal Senator Dave Sharma are urging Penniwong to tone
Speaker 3: down her rhetoric and to stop fanning the flames of
Speaker 3: anti Semitism. It's their strongest comments yet.
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you them exclusively in just a moment.
Speaker 3: But it comes after Pennywog compare the liberal democracy of
Speaker 3: Israel with evil dictatorships Russia and China.
Speaker 4: We expect Russia to by international law and end it's
Speaker 4: illegal and full scale war on Ukraine. We expect China
Speaker 4: to buy by international legal decisions in the South China
Speaker 4: see we expect Israel to bye by international law.
Speaker 2: That is a new low, even for Penny Wog.
Speaker 3: In a disgraceful speech, she also went from pretending to
Speaker 3: care about anti Semitism to very quickly returning to her
Speaker 3: favorite topic.
Speaker 2: Of criticizing Israel well.
Speaker 3: In response to Pennywong's speech, James Patterson told.
Speaker 2: Me today that it's clear.
Speaker 3: The Albanezy government has learned nothing from the terrorist attack
Speaker 3: at a dash synagogue last week.
Speaker 2: He said this and I quote for.
Speaker 3: The Foreign Minister to compare Israel, a friendly, liberal democracy
Speaker 3: to two authoritarians dates is an outrageous slur.
Speaker 2: He said, it.
Speaker 3: Continues Labour's campaign of vilification against the Jewish state and
Speaker 3: contributes to the climate of fear Jewish Australians are feeling
Speaker 3: right now. He said the Foreign Minister should tone down
Speaker 3: her attacks on Israel before it gets even worse.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Dave Shama, who was Australia's former ambassador to Israel, he
Speaker 3: also urged Pennywong to calm down her language, and he
Speaker 3: even accused her of dog whistling. He's on the show
Speaker 3: live tonight, but this is what he told me. He said,
Speaker 3: and I quote, I think the government's actively seeking to
Speaker 3: delegitimize and discredit Israel and the result is it's giving
Speaker 3: license and encouragement to people who want to take matters
Speaker 3: into their own hands and target Jewish Australians. He said,
Speaker 3: it's effectively like a dog whistle, where on the one
Speaker 3: hand they condemn anti Semitism, but on the the other
Speaker 3: hand they fuel the.
Speaker 2: Conditions which are giving rise to it.
Speaker 3: Now, those are extremely strong remarks Dave Sharma, saying that
Speaker 3: the Albanezi government and in particular Pennywog, fueling the conditions
Speaker 3: that give rise to anti Semitism effectively like a dog whistle,
Speaker 3: he says, and they're right.
Speaker 2: Penniwong needs to stop demonizing.
Speaker 3: Israel because provocative accusations are, in my view, in flaming
Speaker 3: tensions and encouraging hatred towards Israel and thus Jews.
Speaker 2: But it seems she.
Speaker 3: Doesn't care about the impact her words are having on
Speaker 3: anti Semitism. Albanesi and Pennywog are only emboldening the haters
Speaker 3: with their wrong and unjust criticism of Israel. Their moral
Speaker 3: confusion sends a green light to the aggressive pro Hamas
Speaker 3: mob that's been targeting Jews. A synagogue has been firebombed,
Speaker 3: and Pennywong and the others need to urgently tone down
Speaker 3: their language. They should actively try and calm down tensions.
Speaker 3: They could even try demand that our hostages are freed,
Speaker 3: that the UN take action to help the Israeli women
Speaker 3: currently sex slaves to terrorists in Gaza. They could also
Speaker 3: demand that Harmas lays down arms. I doubt the Foreign
Speaker 3: Minister is capable of such moral clarity, and it doesn't
Speaker 3: seem like the Prime Minister is either, because it took
Speaker 3: him four and a half days to visit the Addask
Speaker 3: Synagogue in Melbourne after it was firebombed in the early
Speaker 3: hours of Friday morning. Tennis was more important, Whining and
Speaker 3: dining with labor lobbyists was more important. But finally today
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister bothered to turn up and visit the
Speaker 3: site of the terror attack. Albinizi was met with and
Speaker 3: he shouldn't have been surprised by this, with a hostile
Speaker 3: reaction from the local Orthodox Jewish community. One woman told
Speaker 3: him his words were cheap and late. Another asked why
Speaker 3: he'd played tennis instead of visiting earlier. There were also
Speaker 3: questions about whether he was pro Palestinian now when alban
Speaker 3: Easy arrived and I watched this closely, instead of saying
Speaker 3: to the local community like I did when I went
Speaker 3: there yesterday, I'm so sorry for what you've been through.
Speaker 3: This is such a tough time, or words to that effect.
Speaker 3: He said this in a jovial tone.
Speaker 5: I went to my first bar mitzvah on Saturday.
Speaker 3: I went to my first bar mitzvah on Saturday. Really,
Speaker 3: do you want congratulations for that? Prime Minister? Muzzles of
Speaker 3: Prime Minister? I mean, this was utterly tone deaf. The
Speaker 3: a Dusk community is shell shocked. I can tell you
Speaker 3: that the president of the synagogue told me he's been
Speaker 3: unable to properly function. One worshiper had tears. This is
Speaker 3: a grown man, tears rolling down his face when he
Speaker 3: surveyed the damage inside.
Speaker 2: Yesterday. I was there with him.
Speaker 3: But Alban Eazy turns up and jokes that he's been
Speaker 3: to his first bar mitzvah, And in fact I've confirmed
Speaker 3: today he was only at the bar mitzvah in the
Speaker 3: synagogue in Perth for literally twenty minutes. He wasn't invited,
Speaker 3: as his office keeps insisting. He asked if he could
Speaker 3: drop into the synagogue a publicity effort, and likewise, his
Speaker 3: visit to a Dust synagogue today was very quick.
Speaker 2: He came and left as soon as he could.
Speaker 3: He spent the bare minimum time there, no questions, of course,
Speaker 3: no interaction with the Jews who had legitimate questions for
Speaker 3: him about why he'd failed to support our community. But
Speaker 3: he was forced when he went inside the synagogue to
Speaker 3: on front the.
Speaker 2: Brutal reality of what his personal.
Speaker 3: Lack of action on anti Semitism has led to a
Speaker 3: destroyed place of worship, a Jewish community right around Australia reeling,
Speaker 3: and Australians, good hearted Australians of all faiths aghast at
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's lack of moral clarity and his weakness,
Speaker 3: and still his own senior ministers can't help but speak
Speaker 3: about Islamophobia. This was ed Husick today, refusing to comment
Speaker 3: on anti Semitism without mentioning his Lamophobia in this absolutely
Speaker 3: extraordinary exchange with Kieren Gilbert.
Speaker 6: Should the government have done more to stop anti Semitism? Well,
Speaker 6: I think because every week you're seeing a protest in Melbourne.
Speaker 6: Hate symbols have been used at many of the protests.
Speaker 6: Is this a slippery slide that we're seeing this thing
Speaker 6: just get worse and worse.
Speaker 7: I think we should always be on the lookout for
Speaker 7: things that are used to make people cower or fear,
Speaker 7: or prevent them from being able to live their daily lives.
Speaker 7: So be it any Semitism or Islamophobia or anything else
Speaker 7: where people are singled out because of a particular attribute,
Speaker 7: we shouldn't be going there.
Speaker 6: The governments are criticized for always linking saying any Semitism
Speaker 6: alongside Islamophobia. James Patterson says, that's part of the problem,
Speaker 6: that you should just call out any Semitism for what
Speaker 6: it is, because it's worse now than anything else.
Speaker 7: Sorry, So should we turn a blind eye to Islamophobia?
Speaker 7: Is that what the coalition's saying, Because the coalition has
Speaker 7: front benches who have said Islamophobia is not a problem,
Speaker 7: which is just ridiculous.
Speaker 3: And this went on and Onny try to compare one
Speaker 3: incident some time ago to this terror attack, the fire
Speaker 3: bombing of the synagogue. It was truly unbelievable that ed
Speaker 3: Husick could continue to downplay the anti Semitary crisis like this.
Speaker 3: And by the way, his comments came literally at the
Speaker 3: same time as Albinizi was at the Adoust synagogue that
Speaker 3: was firebombed. But this follows Chris Bowen just yesterday, also
Speaker 3: speaking about Islamophobia.
Speaker 8: He said that they shouldn't be that Islamophobia shouldn't be
Speaker 8: mentioned in the same sentence as the Prime Minister has done.
Speaker 8: If James Patterson thinks there's no Islamophobia in Australia, he's wrong.
Speaker 9: He didn't say that, though, He said that when something happens,
Speaker 9: it should be enough to just denounce anti Semitism, and he.
Speaker 8: Went on to say that they're not at the same levels.
Speaker 10: Look, but the.
Speaker 9: Poilamatory many are you saying they are at the same
Speaker 9: levels because we've just seen a targeted attack on a synagogue.
Speaker 8: I'm saying, Patricia, that both exist and I'm saying that
Speaker 8: both can be called out.
Speaker 3: Not even the Prime Minister can unequivocally condemn anti Semitism
Speaker 3: as a major threat facing the nation right now, worse
Speaker 3: than Islamophobia.
Speaker 11: Have a look, is anti Semitism a bigger problem than Islamophobia?
Speaker 1: Islamophobia?
Speaker 5: I think it's well, any Semitism is a major threat,
Speaker 5: and any Semitism has been.
Speaker 10: On the rise.
Speaker 3: I mean they're all gas lighting the Jewish community. The
Speaker 3: Labor defense of their lack of action on anti Semitism
Speaker 3: has today been to accuse Peter Dutton of playing politics.
Speaker 7: Peter Dutton is that he has a political strategy which
Speaker 7: is a very divisive political strategy and that's not leadership.
Speaker 6: There is nothing that Peter Dutton won't seek to politicize
Speaker 6: and divide our community.
Speaker 7: O Peter Dutton decided that it was more important to
Speaker 7: play partisan games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Labor that's playing politics here, continuing to focus
Speaker 3: on Islamophobia whilst synagogues burn. It's Labor that's playing politics,
Speaker 3: posturing to Muslim communities in marginal seats instead of governing
Speaker 3: for all Australia. And Labor is playing politics by their
Speaker 3: obsession with United Nations votes, seats for buyers and criticizing Israel.
Speaker 2: Well, this is all very wrong.
Speaker 3: They shouldn't put politics ahead of community safety. The Abanese
Speaker 3: government needs to focus on their own backyard, their actual job,
Speaker 3: instead of interfering in a foreign war. Well, if the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister and his team of pro Palestinian activists actually
Speaker 3: cared about antisemitism, here's six things that I think they
Speaker 3: should do.
Speaker 2: Firstly, race hate laws.
Speaker 3: They need to arrest the perpetrators who are perpetuating violence
Speaker 3: and hatred, not keep arresting the innocent Jewish bystanders in
Speaker 3: case their very being is provocative to the haters. Secondly,
Speaker 3: we do need a national permit system for protests. We
Speaker 3: need to ban protests if they intimidate the Jewish community.
Speaker 3: That means no protests outside synagogues or outside Jewish homes,
Speaker 3: because those protests merely attack people of Jewish faith. It's
Speaker 3: got nothing to do with the Middle Least war. They
Speaker 3: need to stop provocative public criticism of Israel that fans
Speaker 3: the flames of anti Semitism. As we've been speaking about,
Speaker 3: words matter, calm down the tensions. Number four, they need
Speaker 3: to announce a judicial inquiry into antisemitism on university campuses.
Speaker 3: They voted this down when Julie and Lisa put it forward.
Speaker 3: Number five, the Prime Minister should instruct law enforcement to
Speaker 3: use the full force of the law and the powers
Speaker 3: available to them to crack down on anti Semitic incidents.
Speaker 3: And number six, and this is on migration. They need
Speaker 3: to ensure that proha mus antisemit anti Semites aren't being
Speaker 3: flown into our country only to erode our Australian values.
Speaker 3: Well that's my six things that I think the Abnezi
Speaker 3: government needs to do right now that would make a
Speaker 3: tangible difference to our way of life. Pretty simple, none
Speaker 3: of them complicated. They can be done today now. I
Speaker 3: thought there was an excellent column in The Australian Today
Speaker 3: by columnist Claire Lehman, and she put it well when
Speaker 3: she said that the Albanezy government has failed to move
Speaker 3: beyond platitudes or the Prime Minister has failed to conveil
Speaker 3: authority on an issue that requires leadership. And she writes
Speaker 3: that since the horrific Upper House rally, Albanezi has followed
Speaker 3: the model of indifference shown by the New South Wales Police.
Speaker 3: He says antisemitism has no place in Australia while anti
Speaker 3: Israel protesters freely demonstrate in front of synagogues. He takes
Speaker 3: no responsibility for surging attacks on Jews while undermining the
Speaker 3: world's only Jewish state. And she makes the excellent point
Speaker 3: that many political and also corporate leaders who claim the
Speaker 3: moral high ground on other issues, have been silent on
Speaker 3: anti Semitism. She writes, rushing to champion indigenous and LGBTQA
Speaker 3: plus issues, our left leaning leaders for mute when confronting
Speaker 3: violent hatred directed at Jewish Australians. She says the vicious
Speaker 3: hatred may come from a militant few, but it's the
Speaker 3: silent majority, particularly those in positions of power and influence
Speaker 3: who let it spread. And that's why James Patterson and
Speaker 3: Dave Sharma are tonight urging the Foreign Minister to stop
Speaker 3: trying to discredit Israel because this language is only giving
Speaker 3: license to the Jew haters to continue their mission of
Speaker 3: intimidation and persecution. And as I said, Dave Sharma will
Speaker 3: be on the show a bit later, but now let's
Speaker 3: get reaction from former Speaker of the House Bronman Bishop
Speaker 3: and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 2: Welcome show, Bromwin.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister was playing tennis, he was meeting with
Speaker 3: labored donors.
Speaker 2: He's had his eye off the ball on this.
Speaker 12: The Prime Minister is incapable of leading. As a fact
Speaker 12: I've said again and again, he was never ever talked
Speaker 12: about as being a leader.
Speaker 2: He is not capable of leading.
Speaker 12: But what he and Pennywong are doing is to allow
Speaker 12: the normalization of anti Semitic behavior so that people will
Speaker 12: not react to it. And when Hitler became Chancellor in
Speaker 12: Germany in nineteen thirty three, the first thing they did
Speaker 12: was to go to the universities to make sure that
Speaker 12: they accepted the normalization of the hatred of Jews. We've
Speaker 12: seen what's happened on our campuses. It is because there
Speaker 12: is no leadership here that is said, this is untenable.
Speaker 12: It must not happen. Get away with this word unacceptable.
Speaker 12: Action needs to be taking, something has to be done
Speaker 12: to prevent it, and that means that leaders have to
Speaker 12: take a strong stance. And this man is incapable of it,
Speaker 12: absolutely incapable. And the gains at Pennyway.
Speaker 2: Because he's weak.
Speaker 3: So he's incapable of leadership on any issue. Or do
Speaker 3: you think it's because of his past pro Palestinian.
Speaker 12: Combination of both. He was always a part of a
Speaker 12: mob when he was doing that. Now he's in a
Speaker 12: leadership position, incapable except when he wants to put in
Speaker 12: a new candidate. Little pleas ins faction. So it's not
Speaker 12: good enough anymore to say, oh, look he finally went
Speaker 12: to that synagogue in Melbourne. He should have gone there
Speaker 12: before he went to Perse. He's got his own plane,
Speaker 12: for God's sake, you him.
Speaker 1: Do it, Joe.
Speaker 3: He's been to a bar Mitz for now though, congratulations Albow.
Speaker 13: I think part of the I mean, if you compare
Speaker 13: and contrast the responses to the same problem by Anthony
Speaker 13: Abernezer and Chris Mins. I think you see the difference
Speaker 13: between someone who has a long history in the right
Speaker 13: of the Labor Party and instinctively knows what to do
Speaker 13: and knows to do it, knows what to do immediately,
Speaker 13: and then you have someone like Anthony Alberineze I think,
Speaker 13: to his credit, is genuinely trying to govern and from
Speaker 13: the center and genuinely believes himself to be a centrist.
Speaker 13: I can tell you that is what I can promise
Speaker 13: you that is what he genuinely believes. But it is
Speaker 13: something he doesn't have a great deal of practicing, a
Speaker 13: great deal of experience in, and so something that would
Speaker 13: be completely obvious to you people of the center to
Speaker 13: get on a plane go straight to the Syneagogue he had,
Speaker 13: or to call it a terror attack, or to you know,
Speaker 13: to establish an AFP task forces to anti Semitism, and
Speaker 13: to know when.
Speaker 3: He says some of his adviser is telling him this
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 13: I'm yeah, Look, I'm not sure about the quality of
Speaker 13: the advice that he's getting on some of these issues.
Speaker 1: I know there's a couple of people.
Speaker 13: In his office who are very good and there's probably
Speaker 13: one or two who I don't know why. I would
Speaker 13: never name names, but I would not know why they
Speaker 13: were there in first place.
Speaker 1: But I do it.
Speaker 3: But and Chris Mens, though his instincts, his heart in
Speaker 3: the right place.
Speaker 2: Someone video to speech.
Speaker 3: He gave it Central Synagogue in Sydney on Friday night, and.
Speaker 2: He really gets you could just see ye.
Speaker 3: He speaks from the heart when he talks about this,
Speaker 3: and he doesn't shy away, you know, he says, I
Speaker 3: take responsibility.
Speaker 2: We haven't done enough.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 3: I try and get him on the show. I don't
Speaker 3: know why he doesn't come in the show.
Speaker 12: He could direct he's police minister to make sure the
Speaker 12: police act.
Speaker 2: Yes, they haven't been. I agree with you.
Speaker 1: He's introducing new laws very well.
Speaker 12: He means to be mister nice guy and get up
Speaker 12: there and say all the right things. But until he
Speaker 12: gets control of that police minister and makes her either
Speaker 12: be moved aside and someone else put in so that
Speaker 12: the police actually act as they should have done at
Speaker 12: the opera House right from the beginning, or even the
Speaker 12: other night in Elizabeth Street.
Speaker 13: But he's introducing new laws so the police have clear
Speaker 13: grounds to be able to do that, and that is
Speaker 13: something has doing.
Speaker 3: Outside of synagogue or places of worship. You know, he
Speaker 3: recognizes the problem and he moves to act on it.
Speaker 3: And I think absolutely protest should have been bound outside
Speaker 3: places of worship a long time ago. Let's move on
Speaker 3: to this extraordinary story coming out of New York. Police
Speaker 3: have arrested and charged Luigi Mangioni with a shocking public
Speaker 3: murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Now, this is
Speaker 3: a twenty six year old He was recognized by an
Speaker 3: employee at McDonald's in Pennsylvania, who then called the police.
Speaker 13: But I think, what's employee of the month. I have
Speaker 13: to say, what an extraordinary.
Speaker 2: Effort employee of the world from McDonald's.
Speaker 3: But so absurd about this is how some Americans we've
Speaker 3: seen this on social media are now idolizing this assassin.
Speaker 3: They're worshiping him as a hero because of some bizarre
Speaker 3: anti corporate sentiment in the United States.
Speaker 12: This man is a socialist, he is revolutionary in that
Speaker 12: sense his behavior and the man is charged is yet
Speaker 12: to be tried in the court of law, and he
Speaker 12: hasn't pleaded, so we don't know what situation that is.
Speaker 12: But if he is found to be guilty and the
Speaker 12: manifest that he put out that he is a socialist.
Speaker 12: And this is what happens when elites. If it is him,
Speaker 12: the elite upbringing, he is captured by the socialist doctrines,
Speaker 12: then that's when they start to go off the whales.
Speaker 12: And it doesn't matter whether it's the Marxist doctrine or
Speaker 12: the National Socialist doctrine, or the Hotel or the Chinese
Speaker 12: Communist Party doctrine. It is all socialism and the end
Speaker 12: is inevitable, so we have.
Speaker 1: To be very careful.
Speaker 12: They're the same sort of people who were would be
Speaker 12: assassin's of Donald Trump, same sort of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's terrifying.
Speaker 3: Joe, as Bardwin just mentioned, he did have a privileged upbringing,
Speaker 3: we socialist thing more about his background, went to an
Speaker 3: Ivy League school.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just such a shocking, bizarre stoctor.
Speaker 13: People seem to think that socialism or socialist radicals are
Speaker 13: people who appear organically from the working class.
Speaker 1: That is not true. That is not true.
Speaker 13: Socialism is an agree with Bondman. Socialism is an incredibly
Speaker 13: dangerous and violent doctrine, and it is one that is
Speaker 13: deliberately imposed upon people from the top down. Carl Martz
Speaker 13: came from a family of lawyers who owned vineyards. Frederick
Speaker 13: Engel's family literally owned factories that the workers worked in
Speaker 13: and between them, these guys wrote the Communist manifesto and
Speaker 13: told the workers what was good for them, what was
Speaker 13: in their interest. These are hopelessly misguided people. They are
Speaker 13: ideologues for whom the ideology and the theory is more
Speaker 13: important than any individual human life, and that all human.
Speaker 3: Life get to this case, a twenty six year a
Speaker 3: young guy waits for hours and hours outside it for.
Speaker 1: The cause, for the cause that's right, because they.
Speaker 2: Believe that people are imbued with that belief side.
Speaker 1: For the cause that's right. What happens absolutely true.
Speaker 12: To the cause, and the people who are now feeling
Speaker 12: some sort of empathy towards this man are of the
Speaker 12: same ilk. Which is why it is so important, why
Speaker 12: it is desperately important that we can take control of
Speaker 12: the sorts of things that are taught in our institutions,
Speaker 12: because we saw, we've seen what's happened when the curriculum
Speaker 12: is such that the behavior that was tolerated with those
Speaker 12: demonstrations in our universities and the violence that was together
Speaker 12: with it.
Speaker 2: This is what happens. I mean.
Speaker 3: There's also, of course the issue of gun laws in
Speaker 3: the States.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and look we need to deal with that.
Speaker 13: And strangely, the left hasn't been outraged about the proliferation
Speaker 13: of arms on this person's body allegedly. But again, it
Speaker 13: is people, I think, romanticizing what is fundamentally a simplistic, stupid,
Speaker 13: dangerous and.
Speaker 1: Ultimately violent ideology.
Speaker 13: It's the people who wear the shape of our T
Speaker 13: shirts and saying this is all just this is all
Speaker 13: just fun and games. We run around at UNI and
Speaker 13: we say these things and down with capitalism and fight
Speaker 13: the power and you know, tear down the page bell whatever, whatever.
Speaker 13: And there are people out there who probably have some
Speaker 13: bad wiring in their brains, but they take all this
Speaker 13: stuff like all fundamentalists, like you know, Islamic extremists, white supremacists,
Speaker 13: like all extrememists, like all fundamentalists. They take this stuff literally.
Speaker 13: Then they take matters into their own hands. And this
Speaker 13: is what happens. It's no different to you know, a
Speaker 13: live streaming of the massacre at.
Speaker 12: De monscohere not lacking in brain part because you alleterally
Speaker 12: printed the gun.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that's right. He's a Friday and printer. But
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I don't understand how those three D printers were all right,
Speaker 3: Brow and Bishop Joe Hude Brand, it's been great to
Speaker 3: have you on the show. This cross is our last
Speaker 3: week before the Christmas break.
Speaker 2: Find that I agree with you, Brobin. Sometimes it's been
Speaker 2: more than I do.
Speaker 13: I know it's funny like that, but that's the celebration
Speaker 13: of ideas the context.
Speaker 2: Christy, Yes, indeed we Christmas. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of Christmas, there was no Christmas miracle from
Speaker 3: the IBA today.
Speaker 2: It was their final meeting for the year.
Speaker 3: They left the cash trade and hold at four point
Speaker 3: three five percent, unsurprising, of course, because underlying inflation is
Speaker 3: still above the RBA's target at three point five percent.
Speaker 3: Here was the Governor, Michelle Bullock speaking earlier.
Speaker 9: The board needs to be confident that inflation is moving
Speaker 9: sustainably towards the target and for this to occur, we
Speaker 9: need to see more progress on underlying inflation coming down.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's bring in now Judo Bank Chief Economic Advisor
Speaker 3: Warren Hogan.
Speaker 2: Warren, good to see you again.
Speaker 3: Look, was there anything you found particularly different or surprising
Speaker 3: from what the RBA governor had to say today.
Speaker 15: Yeah, Hi, Sherry, I think we saw a pretty big
Speaker 15: shift today. They didn't move the right, but they did
Speaker 15: change the policy statement and the language and the implied
Speaker 15: guidance from that. They've removed all references to the risk
Speaker 15: of upside surprises in inflation, and they're talking about that
Speaker 15: they're getting more comfortable with the outlook. The market is
Speaker 15: completely run with this, of course, and has seen the
Speaker 15: pricing in financial markets move to price in a rate
Speaker 15: cup for February fully priced for April. I think that's
Speaker 15: a bit of an overreaction, but I think the Board
Speaker 15: is clearly wanting to pull back on the rhetoric of
Speaker 15: the last six months, that is trying to draw by
Speaker 15: the economy that is, get an effect of higher rates
Speaker 15: without actually having the high rates.
Speaker 3: You just said then that a rate cut in February
Speaker 3: or even in the first quarridor of next year was
Speaker 3: probably too optimistic. I mean, realistically, when do you think
Speaker 3: we could expect a rate cut.
Speaker 15: It's very uncertain, and of course with this guidance, it's
Speaker 15: going to play to a lot of views that are
Speaker 15: already out there that the economy is weak, that a
Speaker 15: lot of economists have this rate cup in their forecast.
Speaker 15: I think that they're still very much on because the
Speaker 15: reality of our economy is, as you showed, inflation is
Speaker 15: still above target, and as the governor said and you showed,
Speaker 15: they are not going to cut rates until not only
Speaker 15: are they confident inflation is back to target, but it
Speaker 15: will stay there. And I still think that's a long
Speaker 15: way off. So there's a big break now until the
Speaker 15: next meeting almost ten weeks, and we're going to have
Speaker 15: a lot of data between now and then.
Speaker 3: I can definitely no chance of a February rate cut,
Speaker 3: because I know that the Labor Party is hoping that
Speaker 3: there will be a rate cut in February that can
Speaker 3: announce the federal election campaign off the back of that
Speaker 3: and claim that the.
Speaker 2: Cost of living crisis is over.
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, you certainly can't rule it out. And I
Speaker 15: think if we see a significant shift in the economy
Speaker 15: in the next few months, it could happen. But I'm
Speaker 15: not expecting to see that. If anything, we're getting signs
Speaker 15: that consumer spending's picking up, and of course I think
Speaker 15: the risk with that is that the move will be
Speaker 15: interpreted as political and that's of course very damaging for
Speaker 15: their credibility and Australia's reputation internationally. So look, I don't
Speaker 15: think we'll get a rate cut in February. I think
Speaker 15: the government pushed back in the press conference on that,
Speaker 15: and I still think that they're unlikely to go before
Speaker 15: May because I think our economy is actually going to
Speaker 15: be picking up a bit at place going into the
Speaker 15: new year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Warren Hogan, thank you very much for
Speaker 2: your time.
Speaker 3: Now still to come, just center Price would join me
Speaker 3: after Peter Dutton's pledge to drop the Aboriginal flag from
Speaker 3: press conferences, plus Pennywong accused of vilifying Israel and fanning
Speaker 3: the flames of anti Semitism.
Speaker 2: Dave Sharma would join me next after this quick break,
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: As we've been speaking about tonight, Foreign Minister Pennywong has
Speaker 3: outrageously compared the liberal democracy of Israel to dictatorships Russia
Speaker 3: and China. Israel, which is under existential threat as.
Speaker 2: It fights for its survivor.
Speaker 3: Now these are inflammatory remarks when anti Semitism.
Speaker 2: Is at fever pitch.
Speaker 3: As I've told you tonight, Shadow Home Affairs Minister James
Speaker 3: Patterson told me today that pennywong slur continues Labour's campaign
Speaker 3: of vilification against the Jewish state. He said it contributes
Speaker 3: to the climate of fear that Jewish Australians are feeling
Speaker 3: right now. And I brought you liberal Senator and Australia's
Speaker 3: former ambassador to Israel, Dave Shima's comments before and I'm
Speaker 3: pleased to say he joins me live now, Dave Sharma,
Speaker 3: welcome to the show once again.
Speaker 2: Look, what are your thoughts. Do you think.
Speaker 3: Pennywong needs to calm down herretoric because she's founding the
Speaker 3: flames of antisemitism with her constant criticism of the Jewish state.
Speaker 5: I think her remarks in her prepared speech and these
Speaker 5: were prepared remarks, but outrageous and outrageous comparison, but particularly
Speaker 5: inflammatory in the days after the Jewish communit and it
Speaker 5: is reeling from the shock of the fire bomb morning
Speaker 5: of the Adust singogue. We all need to be careful
Speaker 5: with our language at this song and comparing Israel, a
Speaker 5: liberal democratic state that is fighting for its survival, that
Speaker 5: was attacked unprovoked on the seventh of October and has
Speaker 5: been attacked many times subsequently since with expansionist autocratic powers
Speaker 5: like China and Russia simply condones and encourages the sort
Speaker 5: of anti Israel sentiment we've seen on the streets, which
Speaker 5: is becoming very quickly anti Semitic and anti Jewish as well.
Speaker 10: So I think it was a particularly ill.
Speaker 5: Timed intervention by the Foreign Minister, and I think she
Speaker 5: should be much more careful with her language, given she
Speaker 5: is Australia's chief diplomat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, for Australia's chief diplomat, she doesn't use very
Speaker 3: diplomatic language when it comes to Israel. Dave Sharma, when
Speaker 3: we spoke of it earlier, the quote you gave me
Speaker 3: that I played on the screen, you said, it's effectively
Speaker 3: like a dog whistle.
Speaker 2: Can you expand on that.
Speaker 5: It is it's effectively condoning and encouraging people who are
Speaker 5: inclined to vilify Israel and consequently villify the Jewish people.
Speaker 5: So it's effectively giving a license or creating a permissive
Speaker 5: environment for people to go out and continue to say
Speaker 5: that Israel is guilty of the most monstrous crimes and
Speaker 5: the Jewish people in Australia should be held.
Speaker 10: Accountable for that.
Speaker 5: Now, that might not be the Foreign Minister's intention, but
Speaker 5: the way she is using language in a very loose
Speaker 5: and ill disciplined fashion like this, it can only have
Speaker 5: that consequence. And surely by now the Prime Minister and
Speaker 5: other simul labor ministers should have learned the lesson that
Speaker 5: they all need to be more careful with their public
Speaker 5: utterances to take some of the temperature out of this
Speaker 5: issue in Australia. But you know, they are singularly failing
Speaker 5: to do so. And I'm just shocked that, as I said,
Speaker 5: a few days after the synagogue was firebombed, we're still
Speaker 5: seeing labor ministers speaking in such inflammatory terms.
Speaker 3: Not only that, but we saw Chris Bowen yesterday and
Speaker 3: then Ed Husick today.
Speaker 2: They can't talk about anti.
Speaker 3: Semitism without speaking about Islamophobia.
Speaker 2: I mean, what's their problem?
Speaker 5: I just find it so hard to explain. I mean,
Speaker 5: do you need to name check every form of discrimination
Speaker 5: when you were talking about one that is particularly problematic.
Speaker 10: It just strikes me as so weird.
Speaker 5: If there you know, if and when evidence of Islamophobia
Speaker 5: presents itself, yes we should condemn it, we should discuss it.
Speaker 10: But I've seen synagogues being filed bombed. I haven't seen
Speaker 10: moss being filed bombed.
Speaker 5: I've seen Jewish people have their details out and publicly docs.
Speaker 5: I've seen Jewish owned businesses defaced with graffiti. I've seen
Speaker 5: an increase in armed presence outside Jewish schools, Jewish religious institutions,
Speaker 5: Jewish hospitals. That is not happening to any other religious
Speaker 5: community in Australia. So I don't see why it is
Speaker 5: so hard for them to recognize this for what it is,
Speaker 5: antisemitism treated as a priority, rather than saying, you know,
Speaker 5: it's one of the hosts of a number of societal
Speaker 5: hills that we should be dealing with. This is a
Speaker 5: problem that is out of control at emergency levels in Australia.
Speaker 5: But the Albanizi government still seems to be treating it
Speaker 5: as a business as usual proposition.
Speaker 3: And you know, the Albanizi government, after quite intense pressure
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, let me tell you, they eventually announced
Speaker 3: thirty two million dollars in funding for security for the
Speaker 3: Jewish community.
Speaker 2: But then Dave Sharma, they went and.
Speaker 3: Said that it can't be used for armed guards. I mean,
Speaker 3: how do they want the guards to protect synagogues and schools,
Speaker 3: like with a wet lettuce.
Speaker 2: It's absurd.
Speaker 10: It is absurd, and I mean it is also I
Speaker 10: don't know.
Speaker 5: I welcome the additional security funding, but it's also treating
Speaker 5: the symptoms rather than the disease.
Speaker 10: The disease that we've got is anti Semitism.
Speaker 5: And you know, all the armed guards in the world
Speaker 5: not going to make the Jewish community feel safe if
Speaker 5: they are if they are constantly being vilified, harassed, menace,
Speaker 5: you know, whether it's if it's not happening physically, if
Speaker 5: it's happening online, if it's happening to their businesses. That's
Speaker 5: what the government needs to be addressing, and I wish
Speaker 5: they would demonstrate that sort of resolve to tackling the
Speaker 5: causes of this antisemitism we're seeing in Australia.
Speaker 3: I just want to turn now before you go to
Speaker 3: the file of the Assad regime in Syria. Look, there
Speaker 3: have been celebrations also some notes of caution. The rebels
Speaker 3: who have seized the country are still well at least
Speaker 3: some of them have been part of Islamic State al
Speaker 3: Kaeda style groups in the past. How do you interpret
Speaker 3: the mover and are you a bit concerned about what
Speaker 3: the regime will look like.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm certainly cautious, you know. Undoubtedly I think the
Speaker 5: departure of the Assad.
Speaker 10: Regime is a good thing.
Speaker 5: He was one of the most murderously stabilizing rulers in
Speaker 5: the Middle East, cruel and oppressive towards his own people,
Speaker 5: and he was part of the Iranian led access to
Speaker 5: Resistance of block which has caused so much misery and
Speaker 5: destabilization in the readers. So that is a good thing.
Speaker 5: But we're right to be cautious about what takes us place.
Speaker 5: I mean, heyat terarira Olscham, Yes, it was an offshot
Speaker 5: of al Qaeda.
Speaker 10: Aljelani, the leader of.
Speaker 5: HTS, got his start joining al Qaida in Iraq in
Speaker 5: two thousand and three. So we should be very cautious
Speaker 5: about this group. It's still a listed terrorist organization, but
Speaker 5: they have said, at least initially that they intend to
Speaker 5: respect serious ethnic and religious diversity. We need to hold
Speaker 5: them to that. But we shouldn't be getting carried away here.
Speaker 5: I mean, I hope the future for Seria is better
Speaker 5: than the past fifty years under the Assad regimb has been,
Speaker 5: but it would be naive to expect that to.
Speaker 10: Be the case.
Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed, look at shows the weakness of Russia and Iran,
Speaker 3: no question. But again, I remember when the Taliban returned
Speaker 3: to power after Joe Biden's withdrawal, and the Taliban promised
Speaker 3: they were was going to be a new era for women,
Speaker 3: and now we're seeing women living in the most oppressive
Speaker 3: circumstances in Afghanistan in recent history.
Speaker 2: Dave Sharma really appreciate your time. Thank you. Now, coming up.
Speaker 3: After the break, Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell will
Speaker 3: join me live.
Speaker 2: That's a bit later on.
Speaker 3: I'll get her take on the latest news about the
Speaker 3: hostage deal, her reaction to Pennywong Syria, also the humiliating
Speaker 3: travel warning for Australia. But first, right after the break,
Speaker 3: Justenterprice would join me to discuss Peter Dutton's call that
Speaker 3: the Aboriginal flag not be shown at press conferences. Just
Speaker 3: Enterprise coming up next.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: Opposition leader Peter Dutton has sparked quite a fiery debate
Speaker 3: after his vow to cut the Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Speaker 3: Island of flags from press conferences if he becomes Prime Minister.
Speaker 3: Here he was with my colleague Peter Credlin last night.
Speaker 16: We are dividing our country unnecessarily. Now we should have
Speaker 16: respect for the Indigenous flag and the Torres straight hole
Speaker 16: in the flag, but they are not our national flags.
Speaker 16: And I think the Prime Minister sends a very confusing message.
Speaker 3: But Social Services Minister Amanda Rishworth called the move divisive.
Speaker 11: I think this says Peter Dunn just doing what he
Speaker 11: knows how to do best, try and get a headline
Speaker 11: with no substance, no real policies about, for example, tackling
Speaker 11: cost of living or things that really matter to the
Speaker 11: Australian people.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm Joey now bays Shadow Indigenous Affairs Minister.
Speaker 3: Just enter Price, just center, Thank you so much for
Speaker 3: your time. Once again, Look, do you agree with Peter
Speaker 3: Duarton that there should be in the one Australian flag
Speaker 3: behind him at press conferences?
Speaker 14: Look absolutely shari And in fact, what the country doesn't
Speaker 14: realize is that when Peter and I delivered a press
Speaker 14: conference on October fourteen, when the referendum results came in,
Speaker 14: that is exactly what we did. We stood in front
Speaker 14: of just the Australian flag because after that result, particularly
Speaker 14: it was evident to us that the Australian people one
Speaker 14: day united Australia where we are all represented by one flag.
Speaker 14: And we have to remember there were those that gave
Speaker 14: their lives for our freedoms in this country and did
Speaker 14: so united as one people of various different backgrounds, including Indigenous,
Speaker 14: under the Australian flag.
Speaker 3: What's your response to people like Commander Rishworth, who we
Speaker 3: just heard claim this is simply a move that will
Speaker 3: divide Australians.
Speaker 14: Well, Amanda Rishworth evidently does not seem to have the
Speaker 14: same cares for marginalized Indigenous Australians, particularly when she and
Speaker 14: her government decided to remove the young Cashlist debit card
Speaker 14: from some of our most vulnerable communities and she's failed
Speaker 14: to return to those communities. If she really cared for
Speaker 14: Indigenous Australians, she would never have removed that in the
Speaker 14: first place and allowed for the you know, the rivers
Speaker 14: of grog to flow once more. So you know, they
Speaker 14: can say whatever they want, but ultimately we're about bringing
Speaker 14: Australians together. And I know that Peter Dutton cares a
Speaker 14: lot for marginalized Indigenous Australians and is prepared to tackle
Speaker 14: the hard issues instead of pandering to the Green voters
Speaker 14: on the inner cities.
Speaker 3: Look another, we're coming up to the end of the year.
Speaker 3: We've got Australia Day next month. I can't believe Australia
Speaker 3: Days next month, but it is late next month. Of course,
Speaker 3: there's the perennial debate about whether there should be a
Speaker 3: change of date for Australia Day or not.
Speaker 2: What's your view on this issue?
Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, I've always been strong on the fact that
Speaker 14: we should be celebrating Australia Day on the twenty sixth
Speaker 14: of January for a number of different reasons. You know,
Speaker 14: many new Australians became citizens on that day. We shouldn't
Speaker 14: be taking that away from those citizens, the fact that
Speaker 14: we all became Australian citizens on that very day in
Speaker 14: nineteen forty nine under the Citizenship Act.
Speaker 2: But you know what for those that are.
Speaker 14: Continually aggrieved if we chose a different date, but there'd
Speaker 14: be some reason as to why.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't celebrate it on that day.
Speaker 14: And I think the agrieve just don't want to celebrate
Speaker 14: Australia full stop. I think those of us who want
Speaker 14: to celebrate this great country, black white brindle should be
Speaker 14: able to go ahead and do so, and I feel
Speaker 14: more so now than ever, Australians want to come together,
Speaker 14: stop putting ourselves down as a country and be proud
Speaker 14: of who we are as a country.
Speaker 2: On January twenty sixth.
Speaker 3: And what's your view and the welcomes of country ceremonies
Speaker 3: and how often they should be done? I mean it
Speaker 3: is a possibility that you will be the Indigenous Affairs
Speaker 3: Minister in a few shot months time. If you are
Speaker 3: in that position, what would your comment be on how
Speaker 3: often these ceremonies are performed?
Speaker 14: Sure, well, look, I don't think they're necessary all the time.
Speaker 14: I really don't, and I don't believe that. I often
Speaker 14: think that our bureaucracy is held up because of the
Speaker 14: fact that the acknowledgments occur before every meeting around every boardroom,
Speaker 14: or every teams or Skype meeting that takes place, and
Speaker 14: our efforts will be focused on bringing forward a common
Speaker 14: sense approach to produce outcomes as opposed to all of
Speaker 14: this symbolism and tokenism which seem to not actually close
Speaker 14: the gap or change the lives of marginalized Indigenous Australians
Speaker 14: in any positive way. So I don't see that they
Speaker 14: are necessary. Keep them for, you know, really special occasions,
Speaker 14: but otherwise I think Australians are pretty much over that
Speaker 14: level of tokenism in our country now.
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of recent reporting in the Herald
Speaker 3: Sign and the Daily Telegraph around the First Nation's ambassador,
Speaker 3: Justin Muhammad, a role which is costing tax payers seven
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty thousand dollars over two years.
Speaker 2: According to the Courier Mail.
Speaker 3: We are seeing that the costs are sowing even higher
Speaker 3: with Defat giving a contract role as well for several
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: What's your view on whether this is necessary. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's necessary at all.
Speaker 14: It's really unclear as to the role of this ambassador.
Speaker 14: And if they have to spend two hundred and fifty
Speaker 14: million dollars to contract to contract another agency to create policy,
Speaker 14: then what is the ambassador actually themselves doing in this
Speaker 14: particular role. Isn't it his responsibility to create policy. It's
Speaker 14: really unclear, and so this is why going forward, if
Speaker 14: we are to take government, we won't have this role
Speaker 14: any longer. We will abolish it and utilize those funds
Speaker 14: to actually improve the lives of marginalized Indigenous Australians and
Speaker 14: again ensure that we are represented internationally by one ambassador
Speaker 14: and Australian ambassador.
Speaker 2: It's kind of absurd the double up.
Speaker 3: There's also an indigenous foreign policy, a regular foreign policy,
Speaker 3: just enterprise. Really appreciate your time as always, Thank you
Speaker 3: so much. Now, don't go anywhere. I'm going to Cross
Speaker 3: Live to Israel next to discuss net and Yaho, making
Speaker 3: Time Magazines Person of the Year's short list, plus the
Speaker 3: latest on the hostage negotiations.
Speaker 2: The Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharon Haskell will join me next.
Speaker 3: Well, let's Cross Live to Israel now, and I'm joined
Speaker 3: by Israeli Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Charen Hascal Scharen so
Speaker 3: good to see you as always. Look, Pennywog has accused
Speaker 3: Israel of being like Russia and China. She's accused it
Speaker 3: of not abiding by international law. This is in a
Speaker 3: major speech she gave overnight. What's your view on this
Speaker 3: comparison with the liberal democracy of Israel to the dictatorships
Speaker 3: of China and Russia.
Speaker 2: Do you accept that comparison?
Speaker 17: Well, that's extremely disappointing to hear, especially during these historical times.
Speaker 17: Israel is fighting the excess of evil Iran. This is
Speaker 17: not just Israel wars, but this is a Third World
Speaker 17: war between radical Islam and between our societies, our value
Speaker 17: values of freedom of democracy, equality, women's right, freedom of religion.
Speaker 2: That is the actual war.
Speaker 17: And when you see Iran joining together forces, strategic forces,
Speaker 17: with China, with Russia, with North Korea military training together
Speaker 17: their armies. To have a state like that by the
Speaker 17: Foreign Minister of Australia is at least from a point
Speaker 17: that doesn't really understand the geopolitics in the last year
Speaker 17: situation in the Middle East at all. And it's very
Speaker 17: sad to hear that.
Speaker 2: It is more sad of.
Speaker 17: The decision of Australia on their voting in the General
Speaker 17: Assembly at the United Nation, which really means that they
Speaker 17: are rewarding, you know, fromas a terrorist organization, declaring that
Speaker 17: after the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust, Australia
Speaker 17: will reward them with a state with no precondition, without
Speaker 17: returning any of our family members who have been held
Speaker 17: for more than a year in their dungeons of terror.
Speaker 17: And you know, Sherry, that's extremely disappointing for us.
Speaker 2: I have to say it.
Speaker 3: Just continues this trend of Australia's hostile foreign policies towards Israel.
Speaker 3: Your Prime Minister Nataniahu posted on the wakend he was
Speaker 3: talking about the terror attack at the adask Synagogan Melbourne,
Speaker 3: and he said, unfortunately it's impossible to separate this reprehensible
Speaker 3: act from the extreme anti Israeli position of the Labor
Speaker 3: government in Australia. He said, anti Israel's sentiment is antisemitism
Speaker 3: Sharand do you agree that the Albanese government has fostered
Speaker 3: a climate where anti Semitism can flourish?
Speaker 17: Unfortunately we haven't seen serious measures to enforce the hatred
Speaker 17: and racism towards shoes in Australia.
Speaker 2: You see those really.
Speaker 17: Maybe anti Israel, but very much also anti Jewish protests
Speaker 17: when they go and march in the Sydney Opera House
Speaker 17: and they shant gas the Jews. What kind of message
Speaker 17: does that sin was that tolerated? Was that these people
Speaker 17: were persecuted, arrested, anything legally that was done to them,
Speaker 17: or were they free to go and continue their marches
Speaker 17: of hatred and slogans that really calls for violence? How
Speaker 17: would you interpret any other way someone that is calling
Speaker 17: out publicly in demonstrations gass the Jews. Well a year
Speaker 17: later when that continued on, they would go to a
Speaker 17: synagogue and would try to murder them, to create a
Speaker 17: terrorist attack. And so we are beyond words. Words have
Speaker 17: been said many many times past the year. This is
Speaker 17: the time for actions, and I think that this government
Speaker 17: has to combat the hatred and racism towards Jewish community.
Speaker 17: And yes, I completely agree with the Prime Minister and
Speaker 17: I think he said it pretty clearly that the anti
Speaker 17: Israeli motions that are coming from this current government, unfortunately
Speaker 17: you cannot separate them with the rise of hatred towards
Speaker 17: the Jewish community and it's very disappointing. I'm hoping for
Speaker 17: in the future when we can rely on our allies.
Speaker 3: As it got to the point, do you think now
Speaker 3: where the NAD in Yahoo government of which you are
Speaker 3: now a part, You know you might not consider Australia
Speaker 3: under this government an ally.
Speaker 17: Well, I can tell you that we feel like we
Speaker 17: cannot rely on them, and I really pray and hope
Speaker 17: for better days when we can rely on Australia as
Speaker 17: our allies.
Speaker 2: We had an.
Speaker 17: Extremely good relationship throughout the years, a lot of mutual corporations,
Speaker 17: to the point where Australia was one of the first
Speaker 17: countries to actually vote in favor of creating, you know,
Speaker 17: the founding of the Jewish state here in Israel. So,
Speaker 17: you know, I and it's beyond my own personal disappointment,
Speaker 17: I think it's very disappointing for the Israeli public and
Speaker 17: the people who see Australia as one of its greatest allies.
Speaker 17: And unfortunately, you know, we feel like we cannot rely
Speaker 17: at this moment on this current government.
Speaker 3: Such a such a disappointing state of affairs, no question, Sharon,
Speaker 3: I want to get your We're already got a minute left. Now,
Speaker 3: what's the latest on the hostage negotiations. We are hearing
Speaker 3: reports that this is underway.
Speaker 2: Are they accurate?
Speaker 17: So we need to be extremely cautious. You know, even
Speaker 17: just a couple of months ago, there were three proposals.
Speaker 17: The Katari, the Egyptians and the Russian. Israel said yes
Speaker 17: to all these deals, but unfortunately Kamas said no. We
Speaker 17: do notice that there is a I mean, Kamas didn't
Speaker 17: rejected it completely, and there's some positive motion and some breakthrough.
Speaker 17: But I'm being very very cautious. We are praying that
Speaker 17: we will be able to bring back our family members
Speaker 17: as quickly as possible, and I really hope we'll be
Speaker 17: able to bring some good news and in the next
Speaker 17: couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Sharan Haskell really appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: And of course before you all, before you all flagged
Speaker 3: me with emails, we all heard gas the Jews. The
Speaker 3: police gas lit us and claimed it was where's the Jews?
Speaker 2: Either way, it was anti Semitism. That's it from me.
Speaker 2: He's Danika di Giorgio