WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 24 March

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<v Speaker 1>Late Welcome the Late Debate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to have your company on the Late Debate.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm James Macpherson with this store and Caleb Bond back

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<v Speaker 2>after a week away.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to every other show, Kalb.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's terrible to be back with you.

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<v Speaker 4>Lotto was well rather enjoying going home at about seven

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<v Speaker 4>pm instead of eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>The things I do to keep our beloved Late Debate

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<v Speaker 4>viewers entertained, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you what.

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<v Speaker 3>We're glad to have your back, Caleb.

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<v Speaker 2>We're a lot to talk about tonight, including coming up

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<v Speaker 2>a little later, a woman tries to snatch a Trump

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<v Speaker 2>supporter's mega hat on the subway, and well, let's just

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<v Speaker 2>say instant karma.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll show you what happened a little later.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus when we look at what's making news tomorrow, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>most of it will be about the federal budget being

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<v Speaker 2>delivered tomorrow night, including a story on tomorrow's front page

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<v Speaker 2>of the Daily Telegraph explaining just how young people are

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest hit by bracket creep, and the Australian newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>reporting tomorrow that it may your green hydrogen project will

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<v Speaker 2>shut down just days after Anthony Albanesi insisted it's all

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<v Speaker 2>part of the made in Australia future that he's been promoting.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that a little later, but first, a Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>council will vote this week to remove anti racism signs

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<v Speaker 2>that they erected just a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>The Cumberland Shire.

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<v Speaker 2>In Western Sydney was one of a number of councils

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<v Speaker 2>that spent thousands of dollars putting up fifty racism not

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome signs. This was all done back in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two over fears that Chinese people would be blamed for

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<v Speaker 2>the COVID virus. Now, just on that. If you're so

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<v Speaker 2>irrational that you think your Chinese neighbor is responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>a virus that originated in Wuhan, you're hardly going to

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<v Speaker 2>be convinced to behave because of a few street signs.

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<v Speaker 2>But Cumberland Shire have decided, having erected about fifty of

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<v Speaker 2>these signs, they're now going to bring them down, which

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<v Speaker 2>begs the question, why are they saying the street signs

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<v Speaker 2>of worked racism has been eradicated, Or maybe they've changed

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<v Speaker 2>their minds and decided racism is welcome after all, or

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<v Speaker 2>just maybe and I think this one is that they've

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<v Speaker 2>decided the signs were always silly and provide no practical

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<v Speaker 2>purpose other than allowing, you know, virtue signaling counselors to

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<v Speaker 2>grandstand the man behind the motion to remove these signs.

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Jared explained.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote, I know there's racism within elements of our community, sadly,

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<v Speaker 2>but having said that, is it an issue that we

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<v Speaker 2>have to put values on telegraph poles. You might put

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<v Speaker 2>them on the front door of your building, but putting

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<v Speaker 2>them on telegraph poles isn't something we should be condoning,

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<v Speaker 2>Which is a really good point caleberin Liz, like, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to put signs up saying no racism, how

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<v Speaker 2>many other morality tales should you display?

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<v Speaker 4>This is the thing that Cumberland Council have been telling

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<v Speaker 4>on themselves for so long that they're thoroughly homophobic.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, where is the homophobia.

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<v Speaker 4>Is not welcome? So clearly is lamophobic? Where's the islamophobia

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<v Speaker 4>is not welcome signed? I mean it is clear that

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<v Speaker 4>they condone all of these things because they refuse to

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<v Speaker 4>put up any signs against it. As I said privately

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<v Speaker 4>to this lot earlier, I mean, clearly the signs are

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<v Speaker 4>now surplus to requirements because they put them up, they

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<v Speaker 4>fix the racism. The racism is gone. Why do you

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<v Speaker 4>need the signs anymore. The fact that anyone thought and

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<v Speaker 4>they're everywhere. They're all over Sydney, I assume there are

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<v Speaker 4>in other parts of the country as.

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<v Speaker 3>Well as a national campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that anyone thought, yes, I know what we

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<v Speaker 4>can do to solve racism, will put a sign up

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<v Speaker 4>on a Telegraph poll and that'll finally change everyone's mind.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't change people's minds with street signs. You change

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<v Speaker 4>people's minds by actually talking to them and convincing them

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<v Speaker 4>of things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is a.

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<v Speaker 4>Major problem with a lot of the campaigning on the

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<v Speaker 4>left is that they don't understand if you actually want

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<v Speaker 4>to change someone's mind, you've got to challenge them.

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<v Speaker 1>A street sign is not challenging any one.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a slogan, and so often that's all they care about.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the symbolism, the virtue signaling to say that, well,

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<v Speaker 4>this is what I think. I mean, I think racism

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<v Speaker 4>is bad, so I must be a good person. But

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<v Speaker 4>you've not made any attempt to actually change a racist

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<v Speaker 4>person's mind. You've done nothing to better the world. You've

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<v Speaker 4>just made yourself feel better. It's why they talk about, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>we've got to change the date of Australia Day. You

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<v Speaker 4>know how many Indigenous lives that would help in this country,

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<v Speaker 4>big fat zero. But it doesn't matter because I feel

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<v Speaker 4>better because I think I'm doing something better for the world.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what these signs were all about. I'm glad someone

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<v Speaker 4>has worken up to the fact that they mean nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, there's always been people on the Cumberland Council that

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<v Speaker 5>have known this was ridiculous. So they voted in February

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<v Speaker 5>of twenty twenty two to put these signs up. But

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<v Speaker 5>the previous year the mayor at the time, Steve christ two,

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<v Speaker 5>which you'd be familiar with is an absolute legend, had

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<v Speaker 5>used a tie breaker vote to vote them down. These

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<v Speaker 5>signs aren't going up in our electorate. This is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 5>Why are you inferring that our council is racist to

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<v Speaker 5>begin with? That's the unspoken inference if you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>put up such signs. So the following year, Steve christu

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<v Speaker 5>is no longer the mayor, and in February the council

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<v Speaker 5>went to vote again back in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 6>And this time it got up.

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<v Speaker 5>So you can imagine that Steve Christu who is still

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<v Speaker 5>on council, he is just not mayor.

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<v Speaker 6>And this fellow Paul Gerard, who's.

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<v Speaker 5>Been a counselor for fifty years as of September last year, congratsmate,

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<v Speaker 5>talk about a lifetime of service.

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<v Speaker 6>That's incredible to put it up with all of that.

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<v Speaker 5>These guys, goodness knows how many numbers they've otherwise gotten

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<v Speaker 5>on council. But smart counselors, no, there's no use me

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<v Speaker 5>putting this to a vote if I don't have a

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<v Speaker 5>chance of winning. These guys are part of the original

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<v Speaker 5>contingent who votes to know in the first place. And

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<v Speaker 5>it's funny to note that in February twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 5>as Cumberland Council, I keep going to say, Choir Cumberland Choir,

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<v Speaker 5>Cumberland Council was voting to put these up. Walara Council

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<v Speaker 5>were voting to take theirs down. Of course that vote

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<v Speaker 5>didn't get up, it was lost by a vast majority.

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<v Speaker 5>But those councilors in Wallara were doing exactly the same thing, saying,

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<v Speaker 5>why are you insinuating that people who live.

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<v Speaker 6>In Wallara are racist.

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<v Speaker 5>We've had so many people complain to us and be like,

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<v Speaker 5>why are these signs popping up all over Wallara? We

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<v Speaker 5>don't where's the data to support this? Where's the racism outbreak?

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<v Speaker 5>Is their violence? Is their name calling that we're unaware of,

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<v Speaker 5>to which, of course, the councilors couldn't support their decision

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<v Speaker 5>at all because as usual, it is, like you say, Caleb,

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<v Speaker 5>just a virtue signaling exercise.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a problem in the Inner West where you

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<v Speaker 3>are from and.

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<v Speaker 4>They I'm not sorry there, I'm not from where when

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<v Speaker 4>you moved in there.

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<v Speaker 2>But they had to explain when they put these signs

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<v Speaker 2>up in different streets, because I mean, it's fifty signs, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's not every street, it's selected streets.

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<v Speaker 3>So they had to explain them.

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<v Speaker 2>When they put up a racism not welcome sign in

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<v Speaker 2>a particular street, they weren't inferring people in that street

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<v Speaker 2>had a particular problem with racism. But then what do

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<v Speaker 2>you say to people of other ethnicities in streets where

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<v Speaker 2>signs were not directed the council saying they don't care

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<v Speaker 2>about protecting those particular people, which shows just how ridiculous

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<v Speaker 2>this virtue signaling becomes.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't wait for the onslaught of racist people who

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<v Speaker 4>now move into Cumberland Council because they've realized, they will

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<v Speaker 4>realize fairly ap it's OK to go.

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<v Speaker 6>Yet it hasn't yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Been no no, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then hopefully Wednesday night.

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<v Speaker 4>Wednesday, hopefully we can bring you some good news.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's just that the force of those.

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<v Speaker 4>Signs has kept the racist people out of Cumberland for so.

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<v Speaker 1>Long, and that's going to be dagging away.

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<v Speaker 4>While we're talking about councils, and you'll remember back during

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<v Speaker 4>the Voice referendum, there are a number of councils around

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<v Speaker 4>the country that openly campaigned for the Yes side. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not aware of any council that's openly campaigned for the

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<v Speaker 4>No side of the Voice referendum, probably because they figured

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<v Speaker 4>that would be not a great use of taxpayers or

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<v Speaker 4>rate payers money. But of course when you've got to

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<v Speaker 4>left wing social issues to push well, rate pays money

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<v Speaker 4>is always on the table. And we have discovered some

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<v Speaker 4>years later that one of the councils that was doing

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<v Speaker 4>this the City of Melbourne. Of course, our mate Nicholas

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<v Speaker 4>Reese is the Lord mayor there now they spend one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred and forty thousand dollars campaigning for the Yes campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, imagine what you could do with one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and forty thousand dollars. I was going to suggest you

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<v Speaker 4>could employ someone in the town hall, but perhaps we

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<v Speaker 4>don't want them to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>They've probably got enough of them already.

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<v Speaker 4>But you could instead to employ probably two people to

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<v Speaker 4>go out and look after the parks and the playgrounds

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<v Speaker 4>and whatever in Melbourne bike lanes. You go, well, we

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<v Speaker 4>need definitely need more of them in Melbourne. Who could

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<v Speaker 4>spend one hundred and forty k on helping to rip

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<v Speaker 4>them out, starting to rip them out, I think, But

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<v Speaker 4>this is what they are doing with your money, Because

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<v Speaker 4>of course you can't make your mind up on your own.

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<v Speaker 4>We need the council to take your rates from you

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<v Speaker 4>so they can tell you how to think. A spokeswoman

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<v Speaker 4>for the council said that the council spent one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and forty grand on the campaign and this is how

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<v Speaker 4>they justify it, with the majority of funding spent on

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<v Speaker 4>educational information targeted those most likely to be uninformed about

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<v Speaker 4>the referendum process, including non English speaking communities and older voters.

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<v Speaker 4>So in other words, they saw some vulnerable people and

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<v Speaker 4>they thought they'd take advantage of them and shove it

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<v Speaker 4>down their throats that they should go and vote yes.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I thought we had the Australian Electoral Commission

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<v Speaker 4>to inform people that there was a referendum on. If

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<v Speaker 4>you weren't aware there was a referendum on and how

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<v Speaker 4>you could vote in one, you probably were living under

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<v Speaker 4>a rock. You didn't need the City of Melbourne to

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<v Speaker 4>spend one hundred and forty k to tell you that

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<v Speaker 4>it was on, let alone how they wanted you to

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<v Speaker 4>vote well.

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<v Speaker 2>And they spent this one hundred and forty k when

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<v Speaker 2>they were promoting a fifteen million dollar deficit, So they

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<v Speaker 2>spent money they didn't have pushing opinions they had no

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<v Speaker 2>right to push on an issue they.

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<v Speaker 3>Weren't elected to address.

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<v Speaker 2>The Local Government Act governs how councils behave and I

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<v Speaker 2>and we talked about it a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Blacktown Council Is voted to stop debating foreign policy issues,

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<v Speaker 2>stop doing things to address things happening overseas. They just decided,

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<v Speaker 2>let's focus on rates, roads and rubbish their relationary revolutionary idea,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes you wonder why doesn't a local government minister

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<v Speaker 2>move to change the legislation governing councils so they can't

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<v Speaker 2>do this kind of thing. Councils have no remit to

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<v Speaker 2>be involving themselves in a federal government referendum, and yet

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<v Speaker 2>they do these things over and over again.

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<v Speaker 3>We talk about it ad nauseum. It's a wonder why.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe the coalition, if they win the federal election,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a local government minister will actually do something to

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<v Speaker 2>rain these councils in.

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<v Speaker 5>No, because they're part of the problem. State governments push

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<v Speaker 5>the same nonsense, so they're not going to smack down

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<v Speaker 5>their local government cohorts. I mean this is something that

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<v Speaker 5>this same issue was perpetuated, especially throughout the labor governments

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<v Speaker 5>around the country. And it just goes to show because

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<v Speaker 5>we all know the results of the Voice campaign now,

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<v Speaker 5>don't we very comprehensive.

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't work. So not only are you wasting rate.

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<v Speaker 5>Payers money trying to brainwash them, trying to indoctrinate them

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<v Speaker 5>on their own dime, It simply doesn't work. But you're

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<v Speaker 5>quite right, it should just be taken out of their

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<v Speaker 5>remit none of this nonsense from you guys, Thank you

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<v Speaker 5>very much. This is not what rate payers pay for

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<v Speaker 5>six states in the US, which isn't that many when

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<v Speaker 5>you've got fifty states, but it's better than nothing. They

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<v Speaker 5>have taken this to the policy level and they make

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<v Speaker 5>sure that their local governments cannot engage, and not only

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<v Speaker 5>on the ratepayer level, but tax pay funds aren't allowed

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<v Speaker 5>to be implemented in a way that's going to try

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<v Speaker 5>to sway the public psyche on matters like this, DEI

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<v Speaker 5>matters and so and so forth. It's something that the

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<v Speaker 5>government should do, and any government who was interested in.

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<v Speaker 6>Being effective at their actual jobs would do so.

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<v Speaker 5>It begs the question why is nothing happening? But speaking

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<v Speaker 5>of things you'd like to see happen that, well, it's

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<v Speaker 5>not happening if you're in Sydney beaches.

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<v Speaker 1>Get this.

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<v Speaker 5>The coastal councils have got together with the men's government

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<v Speaker 5>and decided that at fifty one beaches across New South

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<v Speaker 5>Wales they're going to take down the shark nets because

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<v Speaker 5>the turtles are migrating during April.

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<v Speaker 6>We've had this squabble before.

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<v Speaker 5>How are turtles in any which way more important? Than

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<v Speaker 5>protecting human beings from white sharks, tai sharks, bull sharks.

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<v Speaker 6>What is this nonsense?

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<v Speaker 5>And you've got to argue, why on earth are they

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<v Speaker 5>doing this now? Notice it's the end of summer, so

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<v Speaker 5>the peak season for beaches is over. So to me,

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<v Speaker 5>it tells me they're actually not that confident in their

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<v Speaker 5>alternative methods, which are going to be technologies of drone

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<v Speaker 5>and smart drum lines. Just leave the nets up for

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<v Speaker 5>crying out loud. Now will these alternative technologies work? I

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<v Speaker 5>guess we're about to find out the hard way, aren't we.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't do this anymore. I gotta I gotta have

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, a moment.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in the turtles, the turtles who.

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<v Speaker 1>Might die so that people won't die. It's a disgrace, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, for goodness sake. I know I've done this before.

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<v Speaker 4>We've talked about this before. The animal activist loonies get

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<v Speaker 4>on my emails and social media and whatever and carry

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<v Speaker 4>on because I say this.

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<v Speaker 1>But we are number one. We're top of the tree.

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<v Speaker 1>Evolution came through. We rose to the top.

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<v Speaker 4>We get to live on the land and we also

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<v Speaker 4>get to go into the water. We make the decisions

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<v Speaker 4>as human beings in this world as to how things operate.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, what would you rather? And this is

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<v Speaker 4>you asked the greenies this question, and they always come

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<v Speaker 4>back and say, well, it's the it's the shark's domain.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going into his home, which sounds to me a

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<v Speaker 4>bit like victim blaming. And you know, and then it's

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<v Speaker 4>what is this since your fault, you silly? It is

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<v Speaker 4>you in the water? What you think you weren't going

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<v Speaker 4>to get chopped on? But surely to save one human

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<v Speaker 4>being is worth it. It doesn't matter whether you sacrifice

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred turtles in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>No one wants turtles.

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<v Speaker 4>To die, but nor does anyone want a human being

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<v Speaker 4>to die. And their suggestion seems to be that the

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<v Speaker 4>turtles and the sharks have more right to be in

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<v Speaker 4>the water than we do. Now, sure, they might be

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<v Speaker 4>born in that water and they might live there, but

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<v Speaker 4>by virtue of the fact that we're human beings and

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<v Speaker 4>we've learned how to swim, we also have a right

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<v Speaker 4>to be in that water, and we want to be safe.

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<v Speaker 1>When we do so.

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<v Speaker 4>The six councils that have signed up and agreed to this,

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<v Speaker 4>Waverley Central Coast Northern Beaches, Southerlandshire, Woolengong and Randwick should

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<v Speaker 4>hang their heads in shame because they are potentially putting

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<v Speaker 4>people's lives.

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<v Speaker 1>At risk to save the turtles.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, I don't want turtles to die, but I don't

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<v Speaker 4>want human beings to die, and that seems to be

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<v Speaker 4>the alternative here. The greenis should just put their hands

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<v Speaker 4>up and say, actually, I want people to die, because

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<v Speaker 4>that's basically what they're on board that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a scientist, Sheldon Dudley who did a major

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<v Speaker 2>study of sharknets in New South Wales, in Queensland, and

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<v Speaker 2>in South Africa, and he found shark nets were impressive

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<v Speaker 2>in reducing the number of sharks and in all of

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<v Speaker 2>those places, Queensland, New South Wales and South Africa, after

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<v Speaker 2>the introduction of shark nets, shark attacks fell by ninety percent.

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<v Speaker 2>He found him twenty one in New South Wales there

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<v Speaker 2>were forty sharks that were caught in the net ziesa

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<v Speaker 2>sharks that they would want to catch. Of course, not

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<v Speaker 2>all sharks are dangerous, but forty dangerous sharks caught and

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and thirty five non target animals, not.

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<v Speaker 3>All of them were turtles. A lot of them were

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<v Speaker 3>just fish that you'd catch with your line and hook.

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<v Speaker 2>So for councils to be advocating for the removal of

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<v Speaker 2>shark nets on some of our most popular beaches, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>including Bondai, their first responsibility is to ratepayers.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure turtles pay rates.

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<v Speaker 4>No, if I can find a way to make them

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<v Speaker 4>pay rates, they would be who.

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<v Speaker 2>Rely on tourism, who swim in those waters. The council

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<v Speaker 2>was responsible first and foremost, in fact, only to protect them.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything else is superfluous. Speaking of protecting people, the courts

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<v Speaker 2>are supposed to do that, but increasingly people losing confidence

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<v Speaker 2>in our magistrates and our courts to uphold justice and

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<v Speaker 2>protect victims of crime.

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<v Speaker 3>What's happening recently.

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<v Speaker 2>Is more and more cases are being dismissed because the

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<v Speaker 2>accused is pleading mental health issues. More than three thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred cases were dropped last year in New South

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<v Speaker 2>Wales alone on mental health grounds. Many of these cases

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<v Speaker 2>involving common assault and people breaching AVO orders. But god

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<v Speaker 2>off scot Free. The case is dismissed because, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the accused said that they had mental health issues and

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<v Speaker 2>the case went no further. Now that's three and a

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<v Speaker 2>half thousand cases dismissed up by one thy two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>just five years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is a growing problem.

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<v Speaker 2>David Hilpern, a former magistrate, said this is exploiting what

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<v Speaker 2>some people would perceive as a loophole in the law.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not to.

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<v Speaker 2>Suggest there are genuine cases, of course there are with

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<v Speaker 2>people with mental illness, but the threshold for claiming mental

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<v Speaker 2>illness in court is arguably too low. There should be

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<v Speaker 2>a greater hurdle than just suffering from a condition. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no question that whether or not a mental health issue

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<v Speaker 2>is present, that doesn't change the fact a crime has

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<v Speaker 2>been committed. It doesn't change the fact that a victim

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<v Speaker 2>has been affected by that crime. And I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is the natural result of pathologizing everything as early as Kindy,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've talked about this on the program as recently

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<v Speaker 2>as last week. Our children, our teenagers, are being increasingly pathologized.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no behavioral issues anymore, there's no personal responsibility. It's

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<v Speaker 2>ADHD or some other issue. I know it personally myself

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<v Speaker 2>because we had a kid who was mucking up at

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<v Speaker 2>school in primary school and the teachers couldn't have tried

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<v Speaker 2>to twist our arm harder if they had help to

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<v Speaker 2>get us to go get a diagnosis, so they'd received

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<v Speaker 2>more funding. So you're continually pathologizing things. Is it any

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if that starts in kindy that eventually you end

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<v Speaker 2>up in our courts with people claiming the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Follow this to its logical conclusion, could begin to make

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<v Speaker 4>the argument that every criminal has some kind of mental illness,

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<v Speaker 4>because because most of us understand what is right and wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>you might, in the case of someone who was caught

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<v Speaker 4>going five compters over the speed limit, say they had.

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<v Speaker 1>A mental illness.

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<v Speaker 4>But most of us understand what is right and wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>and so there are clearly people who just have no

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<v Speaker 4>compunction about the fact that what they are doing is wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>and so that is in some way a mental illness

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<v Speaker 4>because it's out of the norm of what the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of us experience. So why don't we just say everyone

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<v Speaker 4>is associopath or a psychopath or or whatever it might be,

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<v Speaker 4>and they've got a diagnosis for having been so, which

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<v Speaker 4>is why they committed the crime, and so everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Gets let off.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, some people are off their brains, they're having mental episodes,

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<v Speaker 4>their schizophrenic, whatever it might be, but it doesn't change

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<v Speaker 4>the fact they have committed a crime. And quite often

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<v Speaker 4>you will find it is people who have committed crimes

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<v Speaker 4>while having mental episodes who are the the last people

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<v Speaker 4>who should be allowed out or in the community or

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<v Speaker 4>let off on a crime, because they should be locked

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<v Speaker 4>up somewhere for their own safety as well as everyone else's.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a cop out. And this is happening increasingly now,

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<v Speaker 4>and funnily enough, we should note it's happening mostly at

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<v Speaker 4>courts in wealthy suburbs. And why do you think that

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<v Speaker 4>is because they've gone to their lawyer and said, what

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<v Speaker 4>do I do to get off on this? And the

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<v Speaker 4>lawyer said, well, if you're going to get a diagnosis

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<v Speaker 4>and they say you had this mental illness when you

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<v Speaker 4>committed the crime, then you're in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Much better position to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>People who are going to magistrate's courts and whatever in

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<v Speaker 4>less socioeconomic suburbs often are self represented, or they've just

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<v Speaker 4>got a duty solicitor of what is that they have

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<v Speaker 4>someone to tell them to go and do this. These

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<v Speaker 4>are people who are being advised clearly to get a

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<v Speaker 4>diagnosis because it'll help you get off on a crime. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not in the spirit of the justice system. Quite

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<v Speaker 4>often it doesn't seem to be a justice system. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a legal system. It's not delivering it all.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Section fourteen of the Mental Health Act has to

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<v Speaker 5>be reviewed. That is patently obvious when you look at

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<v Speaker 5>these ridiculous numbers.

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<v Speaker 6>But like we say, it's the same with bail laws.

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<v Speaker 5>These cases come down to a magistrate's judicial discretion. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>so only that judge has got the full facts of

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<v Speaker 5>any one case. Of course, these are assessed on an

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<v Speaker 5>individual basis. They're looking at all the facts, the crime

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<v Speaker 5>that was committed, the fallout from that crime, how many victims,

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<v Speaker 5>is this person likely to reoffend, is it their first offense?

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<v Speaker 5>And then they're also weighing up the strength or weakness

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<v Speaker 5>of that person's claim to Oh, but I suffer from

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<v Speaker 5>poor mental health. Now is that just an extreme case

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<v Speaker 5>of anxiety?

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<v Speaker 6>We don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>It's up to the judge to say, look, you may

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<v Speaker 5>have a case of ADHD that's quite severe. That doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>just what you have done as an example. At the

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<v Speaker 5>end of the day, it comes down to whoever that

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<v Speaker 5>judge is and their judicial discretion and once again, we

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<v Speaker 5>the public are sat here going what on earth are

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<v Speaker 5>you flogs thinking? Because it's not an instruction. Section fourteen

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<v Speaker 5>is like, well, where's some guidelines. At the end of

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<v Speaker 5>the day, it comes down to the judge. Why are

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<v Speaker 5>so many judges, one would think knowingly being taken for

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<v Speaker 5>a ride.

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<v Speaker 2>The other issue here that we never talk about is

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<v Speaker 2>what are we doing with serious mentally ill people. If

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<v Speaker 2>you walk around any CBD, whether it's Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 2>it's amazing how many people who are clearly not well

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<v Speaker 2>are behaving in very odd fashions all around the place.

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<v Speaker 2>No one seems to do everything, everyone walks around them.

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<v Speaker 2>I noticed just this weekend in the CBD police dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with a guy who clearly was not right in his

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<v Speaker 2>mind from moving him on.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure what help.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets, let alone what protection there is from the

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<v Speaker 2>public from people who clearly aren't right. And that's an

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<v Speaker 2>issue that no one wants to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>No, and it's a disgrace.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, we changed our thinking last century

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<v Speaker 4>on how mentally.

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<v Speaker 1>Ill people should be treated. That there used to be asylums,

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<v Speaker 1>insane asylums where.

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<v Speaker 4>We locked people up for their benefit and the benefit

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<v Speaker 4>of the rest of society, and at some point we decided, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not humane.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to allow people to be out in the community.

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<v Speaker 1>But again it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>Just about the rest, it's about them as well, because

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<v Speaker 4>they often pose a serious risk to themselves and the

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<v Speaker 4>public mental health system is in tatters.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go to a hospital.

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<v Speaker 4>And try to get treatment for a mental health issue

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<v Speaker 4>a public hospital, it's almost impossible. I mean they want

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<v Speaker 4>to get you out the door as fast as possible.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a case in Adelaide last year or the

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<v Speaker 4>year before where there was a bloke who had presented

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<v Speaker 4>to hospital with the mental health issues and he was

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<v Speaker 4>detained there by police order for fourteen days I think

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<v Speaker 4>it was. And then at the end of that fourteen days,

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<v Speaker 4>instead of the hospital telling the police that they were

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<v Speaker 4>going to discharge him, they just discharged him.

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<v Speaker 1>He just left and he walked out and.

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<v Speaker 4>He went into a real estate agency and he killed someone. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>So the system does not talk. The left hand of

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 4>the system does not talk to the right hand. How

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:33.040
<v Speaker 4>do these cases happen? And of course if you are

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<v Speaker 4>having issues with mental health, follow the number on the

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<v Speaker 4>bottom of the screen. We've talked about Trump derangement syndrome before.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a real thing.

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.400
<v Speaker 4>I mean, people who just cannot get it through their

0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 4>heads that somehow the majority of electors in America would

0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.360
<v Speaker 4>think he was the right look to be the president.

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<v Speaker 4>Will show you one of those people later in the

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<v Speaker 4>program before we leave you tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great clip.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got to stick around to the end of the

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.359
<v Speaker 4>show for that one. But now they've moved on from

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:05.440
<v Speaker 4>just Trump derangement syndrome. Now they're on board with Elon

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 4>Musk derangement syndrome as well, because, of course he and

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:11.000
<v Speaker 4>his doge mob have been going through the books in

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 4>America and cleaning it up and getting rid of government waste.

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:15.159
<v Speaker 1>And they can't believe it.

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean, how dare you threaten our public service jobs

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 4>and actually try to get some value for the taxpayers

0:25:21.359 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 4>of the United States. So they gathered online over the

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<v Speaker 4>weekend in a meeting they call themselves Tesla Takedown, to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about exactly how they're going to take down Tesla,

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 4>which is, of course the electric vehicle manufacturer owned by

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 4>mister Musk. I'll show you some highlights from this meeting.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll start with Micah Lee, who is a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a look.

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<v Speaker 7>We're a non violent, grassroots protest movement that's focused on

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:50.239
<v Speaker 7>an actual winnable strategy to bring down Elon Musk. If

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<v Speaker 7>we kill the Tesla brand, if we drive down the

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 7>stock price low enough, we can force him to sell

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<v Speaker 7>his stock to pay back the billions of dollars of

0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.920
<v Speaker 7>debt that he took on to buy Twitter. This will

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<v Speaker 7>drive Tesla stock into a death spiral.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. That's the plan. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>force him to get out of Tesla.

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<v Speaker 4>How are we going to do that, Well, let's start

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<v Speaker 4>with a woman, a professor.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a professor memes. Apparently he's her plan.

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 8>I study memes, and the most obvious meme nobody's.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking about is Elon's black hat.

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<v Speaker 8>And he thinks of himself as this black hat hacker

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<v Speaker 8>that's broken into the government and socially engineered his way

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<v Speaker 8>into the treasury, and he's going to abscond.

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<v Speaker 3>With all the data.

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<v Speaker 8>It's an obvious data heist, but he believes he's living

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 8>a meme. And so we need to be very clear

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<v Speaker 8>about what our demands are, about what our bright lines are,

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<v Speaker 8>and that we're not going to stop until Tesla is

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<v Speaker 8>done with Musk.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the richest man in the world and he's just

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<v Speaker 4>living in a meme.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's not aware that he's in the real world.

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<v Speaker 4>Please give me a break, Actor John Cusack, I mean, Charlie,

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 4>he puts h may I want it?

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't He's a ghoul.

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<v Speaker 9>These are unprecedented times of mass criminality going on in

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 9>the United States right now, and that, like Trump, Musk

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 9>is a pathological liar. He's a criminal, He's a sociopath

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 9>and a ghoul.

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>He is a criminal.

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<v Speaker 4>We shall await the charges. But my personal favorite is

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 4>Jasmine Crockett.

0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>She's a US rep. And well, this is why she

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:33.400
<v Speaker 1>wants e Long to go down.

0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 10>I'll make sure that I keep it short, but I

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 10>am truly here for very selfish reasons, starting with on

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 10>March twenty ninth, it's my birthday and all I want

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:47.760
<v Speaker 10>to see happen on my birthday is for Eli to

0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 10>be taken down.

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 4>Yet that's what we want in our elected representatives, isn't

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 4>They have lost the plot because they can't get over

0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:01.159
<v Speaker 4>how effective that mask has actually been with his doge.

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.400
<v Speaker 4>It's just blowing their brains that someone's actually gone through

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 4>the books, going, hang on a minute, there's a bit

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 4>of waste here. We can do something about. Maybe we've

0:28:09.240 --> 0:28:12.160
<v Speaker 4>been running the show improperly for a very long time.

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:13.119
<v Speaker 1>They can't cope with it.

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Of course, boasting it, you want to drive Tesla stock

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 2>into a quote unquote death spiral. Do they forget that thousands,

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 2>maybe millions of Americans have stocks in Tesla, many of

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:27.199
<v Speaker 2>them it's their pension plan. And on top of that,

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:29.439
<v Speaker 2>I think there's about one hundred and twenty thousand people

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 2>employed by Tesla's So they're not just talking about hurting

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:36.919
<v Speaker 2>one person because they disagree with him politically. They're talking

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 2>about hurting thousands, tens of hundreds of thousands of their

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 2>own countrymen because of their own political bias.

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 6>And it's incredibly popular.

0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 5>There were like two eight hundred people on this call

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 5>at any given time during it. And these are the

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 5>ones who are leading these protests. They want mass protests

0:28:56.560 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 5>on the twenty ninth of March, not even necessarily in

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 5>places where there is a Tesla dealership. Those are being targeted.

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 5>They're very calculated, but they're like, heck, if you just

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 5>want to protest Tesla in the.

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 6>Straight as well go for it. These guys know that sixty.

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 5>Percent of Elon Musk's wealth is tied up in Tesla,

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.040
<v Speaker 5>and if they can make a big enough dent by

0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 5>people not wanting to buy them anymore lest they be

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 5>graffiti less they're carby Molotov cocktailed, as has happened to

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 5>Tesla dealerships across the US at this point, then they're

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 5>going to be successful.

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 6>People are too scared to buy them now.

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 5>And the stocks were already falling, and even the current

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:44.600
<v Speaker 5>owners are saying, well, I can't even onsell it because

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 5>nobody wants it. They've taken to using stickers that say.

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 6>I bought this Tesla before. Elon Musks, through his.

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 5>Weight behind Donald Trump, please don't target mine. The Trump

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 5>administration has talked about classifying these people as domestic.

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 6>Terrorists, and yet here.

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 5>They are having an organization call with thousands.

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:12.520
<v Speaker 6>On it, planning their next steps. They were even really.

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 5>Instructional, saying don't do the swastikas. We don't want any

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.120
<v Speaker 5>more swastikas out into the world. As you will recall,

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 5>Elon was accused of doing a siege hile in a

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 5>ridiculous rally move which was clumsy at best, but they're

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 5>still running with this idea of he's a closet Nazi.

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:35.200
<v Speaker 5>Completely unfounded of course. So they're saying, when you graffiti

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 5>these cars, please no swastikas.

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 6>They even suggested to just graffeiti.

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 5>Them with a man's private part, that's fine, or some

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 5>expletives that's fine too.

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 6>But no swastikas. They literally got down into the nitty.

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 5>Gritty of how to deface people's private property, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Essentially use a form of domestic terrorism because you're the

0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:03.760
<v Speaker 4>idea is to discourage people from buying a certain product

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 4>because they're going to make a target of themselves if

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 4>they do that, they're trying to terrorize them like it

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 4>is actually a.

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Form of terrorism.

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 4>And I'm trying to think of an example of this

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 4>if it were to happen in Australia. And it's almost

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 4>impossible to think that anyone would do anything like this

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 4>in Australia because we just don't do those sorts of

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 4>things here. But if you are saying to someone if

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 4>you buy this product, which is a legal or normal

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:30.680
<v Speaker 4>product that until five minutes ago, was like a symbol

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 4>of how great you work, because you were driving around

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 4>in a Tesla electric car. So I'm doing something to

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 4>help the planet, and all of a sudden you're supposedly

0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 4>evil for doing it. I mean, do they understand that

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 4>they're trying to bring down an electric vehicle manufacturer?

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Here we say it wouldn't happen in Australia.

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 2>The only Tesla dealership in Tasmania has been vandalized with

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 2>this kind of graffiti that has been encouraged in the

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 2>United States, but pretty much these days, if you wear

0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:58.239
<v Speaker 2>a Maga hat, and as you said, we'll show an

0:31:58.240 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 2>instance of someone with a Mega hat being abused a

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>little later in the program. If you were a Mega

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>hat or you drive a Tesla, you're almost guaranteed that

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>you're begging, making yourself a target. You're begging for chars,

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>domestic terrorism. They are bullying, humiliating and threatening people to

0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 2>make a political point.

0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 5>And I dare say the magacrowd can take it. But

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.479
<v Speaker 5>the Tesla buyers, who are probably on board with the

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:25.240
<v Speaker 5>lefty climate cult, they're not cut out for this kind

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 5>of pushback to Victoria now, where you may remember former

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 5>Premier Daniel Andrews and the lead up to the twenty

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 5>eighteen election, promised to build Craigieburn Hospital Community Hospital.

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 6>And nine others like it. What a way to get votes.

0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 5>Who doesn't want more hospitals in their state. As we

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 5>know nationwide, no state is doing very well when it

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:53.240
<v Speaker 5>comes to their health portfolio. Well now two of those

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 5>have been built, but they're sitting vacant.

0:32:58.320 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 6>Nobody's using them.

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 5>They are not open for business, and it's got locals

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 5>wondering what the heck is going on. Quote it's been

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 5>sitting abandoned for months now. One local mother wrote on Facebook,

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 5>the lights are on twenty four seven. What a waste

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 5>of electricity. Another local wrote, I would say the state

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 5>government is baroke real broken. To that local, I say

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 5>cigar for you, buddy.

0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 6>I think you've hit the nail on the head. Now.

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:32.600
<v Speaker 5>The idea of these extra hospitals was to take the

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 5>pressure off the emergency departments in the bigger hospitals.

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 6>What a wonderful idea.

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 5>But here we are in twenty twenty five and the

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:44.600
<v Speaker 5>state doesn't have two cents to rub together. It's one

0:33:44.600 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 5>thing to build it, it's another thing to staff it,

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 5>to run it, to actually be a functioning hospital.

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:55.120
<v Speaker 6>They haven't got the shiggy well.

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 3>I think you hit the nail on the head. They

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 3>promised to build it.

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Excit over and of course the building it is you

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 2>get to wear a high viz vest and hat opportunity

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 2>expensive one. But I've got an idea. It doesn't matter

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.880
<v Speaker 2>that these hospitals are empty of patients. Why don't they

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.320
<v Speaker 2>use them as juvenile romance centers that could work in Victoria.

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Use them.

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.400
<v Speaker 4>If someone had told you five years ago that there

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.400
<v Speaker 4>would be a state government somewhere in Australia that would

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 4>build hospitals and then.

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Just shut the gates, leave the lights.

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 4>On and not have anyone you would say, oh, come

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:30.919
<v Speaker 4>on mate again, offered.

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 3>I've said immediately Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>Heah, Victory. Now that that's a very good point. But

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 1>how ridiculous.

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 4>How can you go to the expense of doing I

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.280
<v Speaker 4>mean that's the most expensive part, is to actually build

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 4>the thing and then you shut the gate and leave

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.920
<v Speaker 4>it there. I mean, if you live next door or

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 4>you live in the local community and you've been promised

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.239
<v Speaker 4>to hospital, I mean you do expect the front door

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 4>to open every now and again, don't you. It's nice

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 4>there to be able to walk past it go oh look,

0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:58.160
<v Speaker 4>we've got a new hospital, but no one goes there.

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>That's fine, seriously helpful.

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Well maybe they could staff it with some of the

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:04.879
<v Speaker 2>public servants that the Coalition is going to cut if

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.360
<v Speaker 2>they win office. Of course, Peter Dutton has promised to

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 2>slash thirty six thousand jobs from our bloated public service,

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>very similar to what Elon Musk is doing in the US.

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.000
<v Speaker 3>And Anthony Albanezi.

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Is making this sound like the worst thing that could

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 2>possibly happen. He's the Prime Minister talking about the coalition's plan.

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:28.959
<v Speaker 11>And the idea that Peter Dutton wants to do. Two

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:33.720
<v Speaker 11>things when it comes to public servants. One questioned working

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 11>from home, But secondly he's also said I want you

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 11>to be at home seven days of work, twenty four

0:35:40.760 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 11>hours a day because he's going to sack thirty six

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<v Speaker 11>thousand public servants.

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<v Speaker 1>Hang on, hang on, can I just interrupt.

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<v Speaker 4>I've just learned from the Prime Minister that unemployed people

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<v Speaker 4>are not allowed to leave the house. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>that was a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>They trained at home four seven.

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<v Speaker 4>No wonder they're unemployed because they can't go out and.

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<v Speaker 2>Go do The funny thing is someone wrote that line

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>for him. I thought it was really good and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure if it was the delivery that let him

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<v Speaker 2>down or the line. But then came Finance Minister Kadie

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<v Speaker 2>Gallagher and she said that if Dutton slashes thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars from the public service, it's going to endanger

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>the nation.

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 3>She said, defending our.

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:21.320
<v Speaker 2>National interests delivering aucust maintaining a robust immigration system. That

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 2>one is funny. A robust immigration system. I'm not sure

0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 2>where she thought that one from our veterans. It requires

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.239
<v Speaker 2>funding and requires people. The safety is at risk under

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton, who is more obsessed with slashing government jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>The reality is the public service has to be resourced

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<v Speaker 2>to do the job we want it to do. Now, this,

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<v Speaker 2>of course assumes that Peter Dutton's thirty six thousand jobs

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<v Speaker 2>gone will sort of just be evenly spread across all departments,

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 2>including the defense. So she makes it sound like suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to have, you know, submariners to We

0:36:53.560 --> 0:36:56.879
<v Speaker 2>don't have submarines, so it doesn't really matter. The thing

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was brilliant and a total own goal here

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<v Speaker 2>is in this statement, Calebs, you talked about the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that we are you know, increasing our defense spending as

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<v Speaker 2>a percentage of GDP to two point four percent over

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 2>the next decade, which is hardly anything at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And in addition, if we're cutting public servants from the

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<v Speaker 2>defense forces, isn't just a couple of weeks ago, Liz,

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>that our defense force were unaware a Chinese warship was

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 2>firing live rounds off the coast of Sydney. So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there are some people who, you know, maybe shouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 5>And also we can't recruit any speaking of numbers, lady,

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:34.279
<v Speaker 5>because you guys outsource the ADFS.

0:37:33.880 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 6>Recruitment to a jolly Swiss company.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's interesting that they're using this like they're treating

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:42.879
<v Speaker 4>this public servant issue the labor party as though it's

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<v Speaker 4>like a major election issue, which I met thirty six

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<v Speaker 4>thousand people. There are something like one in seven people

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 4>in this country who work in the public service, but

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:52.799
<v Speaker 4>most of them are at the state level, they're not

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 4>at the federal level. But they're trying to tug on

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 4>those people and make them think, like, you know, your

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 4>number could be up tomorrow, You're going to lose your job.

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.879
<v Speaker 4>And that's why labor governments in particular want a big

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<v Speaker 4>public service because if you've got to rely on the

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<v Speaker 4>government for your money, my guess I'd better vote for

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:11.279
<v Speaker 4>the mob that's going.

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<v Speaker 3>To keep my job.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed will in a moment, we'll look at what's making

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 2>news tomorrow, and of course all the talk is about

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<v Speaker 2>how Jim Chalmers will deliver his budget tomorrow night.

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<v Speaker 3>We look at what they're saying in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, with Jim Chalmers bringing down his budget tomorrow night,

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<v Speaker 2>as you can imagine, most of tomorrow's news will center

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<v Speaker 2>on the budget and finances.

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<v Speaker 3>Liz, you've got the Daily Telegraph, I do.

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<v Speaker 5>Indeed, will it make any difference.

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<v Speaker 6>To these guys?

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<v Speaker 5>Gen Z hit hardest by tax brackets creeping US out

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<v Speaker 5>reads the slash. Young people are being hit the hardest

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<v Speaker 5>by bracket creep, with gen Z and millennial full time

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<v Speaker 5>workers on a median wage paying up to three five

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<v Speaker 5>hundred more income tax now than three years ago age

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<v Speaker 5>fifteen to thirty four will experience the biggest jumps in

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<v Speaker 5>how much of their wage goes to the tax office

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<v Speaker 5>in percentage items sorry, percentage terms.

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<v Speaker 6>According to new.

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<v Speaker 5>Coalition analysis, young professionals like Manly couple, which you can

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 5>see there in the picture. Hannah Maxwell and Matthew Nicole,

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<v Speaker 5>both twenty one, say current tax rates can be daunting

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<v Speaker 5>in a costs crunch. Yeah, I don't suspect any relief

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<v Speaker 5>will be coming there anytime soon. I've always thought that

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<v Speaker 5>our tax bracket.

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<v Speaker 6>System here is utter nonsense.

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<v Speaker 5>The fact that someone on as little as forty five

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<v Speaker 5>k excuse me, forty five K and one dollar our

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<v Speaker 5>tax the same percentage as someone on one hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>thirty five K.

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<v Speaker 6>No one can make that math work.

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<v Speaker 4>And I can't believe this hasn't been an issue that

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<v Speaker 4>the Coalition has run with so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>Because bracket creep is the dirty secret.

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<v Speaker 4>Right governments have used this, and this is why the

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<v Speaker 4>Coalition hasn't talked about it, because they've been guilty of

0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 4>it too, and have used this for a very long

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<v Speaker 4>time to just claw in more and more of your

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.919
<v Speaker 4>money without actually having to tell you.

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 1>That they're going to tax you anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>And it does disproportionately hurt young people.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been saying this for some time.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the biggest problem with the changes that Labor

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<v Speaker 4>made to the Stage three tax cuts, where they didn't

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<v Speaker 4>get rid of the thirty seven and a half cent

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<v Speaker 4>tax bracket because it is young people who will have

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 4>career progression in the next decade who will see more

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:34.719
<v Speaker 4>of their money eaten up by bracket creep. Now, I

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<v Speaker 4>know Paul went through some numbers in his program before

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<v Speaker 4>us about how much government spending has gone up and

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<v Speaker 4>government apartments have gone up in the last twenty years.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll give you some numbers over the last ten years.

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<v Speaker 4>Income tax receipts this financial year so this we'll hear

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<v Speaker 4>some of this in the budget tomorrow night are expected

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<v Speaker 4>to be four hundred and ninety six billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>That's double what it was ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So, how in that period of time do you

0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 4>manage to increase your income tax receipts by that much?

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 4>The working population has increased by twenty five percent in

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:18.360
<v Speaker 4>that same period, and yet we have doubled the income

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<v Speaker 4>tax receipts.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you do it? You do it by bracket cream.

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.839
<v Speaker 4>People earn more money naturally, inflation goes up, which means

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.240
<v Speaker 4>they earn more money in their wages because their wages

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:29.719
<v Speaker 4>have to go up to match it, and then the

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<v Speaker 4>government cashes in.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a joke. Something has to be done about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this story talking about how it affects younger people

0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 2>comes from analysis done by the Coalition. The Coalition are

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 2>always struggling to attract younger voters. It's amazing to me

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't made an issue of this and come up

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<v Speaker 2>with an idea to help young people out.

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<v Speaker 4>So hope they run with it now. Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>tomorrow will be the bouget and we will find out

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 4>what Jim Sharma's has heated up for us in the

0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 4>Microwavey will be here at eleven PM to talk it

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<v Speaker 4>all through. I hope you can make it through. I

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 4>know it's a long time, but we will give you

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 4>the entertaining analysis of the budget when you get to

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<v Speaker 4>us at eleven, because you'll be sitting there with a

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 4>glass of red and you'll be ready for a bit

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 4>of fun with it. That's exactly what we'll give you.

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 4>But the papers tomorrow are alluding to some of what

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<v Speaker 4>will be in the budget. The Canberra Times says back

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<v Speaker 4>for the future, Treasure Jim Charmers sees one hundred and

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 4>seventy seven billion dollar debt turnaround will enable the federal

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<v Speaker 4>government to invest in the future. Today's budget papers will

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<v Speaker 4>forecast gross debt of nine hundred and forty billion dollars

0:42:30.360 --> 0:42:32.839
<v Speaker 4>for this financial year, down from the one point one

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 4>trillion dollars forecast at the twenty twenty two election, a

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<v Speaker 4>reduction for one hundred and seventy seven billion dollars in

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<v Speaker 4>real terms. Hooray, the debt is slightly less big than

0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:45.319
<v Speaker 4>we thought it was going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a win for mister Charmers.

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<v Speaker 4>Dr Charmers, I should say before he writes in a

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:54.240
<v Speaker 4>complaint over on the odds tomorrow they say ALP's fiscal reckoning.

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 4>Debt to GDP rises amid pre elections burge, decade of

0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 4>deficits looming Jim Charmers dead outlook has worsened a mid

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<v Speaker 4>a pre election spending splurge of more than sixty seven

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 4>billion dollars in three months, with both both sorry gross

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.800
<v Speaker 4>debt as a percentage of GDP and it's expected peak

0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:15.760
<v Speaker 4>projected to be higher than forecast in last year's federal budget.

0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Analysis by The.

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<v Speaker 4>Australian reveals Treasury figures in Tuesday's budget are expected to

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<v Speaker 4>show gross debt as a percentage of GDP in twenty

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.880
<v Speaker 4>twenty four to twenty five will be higher than predicted

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.879
<v Speaker 4>in the May twenty twenty four budget, and in December's

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<v Speaker 4>mid year budget update it just gets better and better.

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<v Speaker 4>It'll be thirty seven percent of GDP, up from thirty

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:37.520
<v Speaker 4>five point two percent that was forecast by Treasury ten

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 4>months ago. They're going to try and I think they're

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 4>going to try and make this a cost of living

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 4>budget as much as they can tomorrow, because it's the

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 4>only thing they can do to try and get a

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 4>win out of it going into an election.

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's throw some cash around.

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 4>Ie will extend the power of subsidies and another one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred and fifty.

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Dollars off will P.

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:00.040
<v Speaker 4>But we haven't heard a lot actually licked out of

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.279
<v Speaker 4>this budget yet, so it makes you think, how much

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 4>are we really going to learn tomorrow?

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, I wonder if not much has been leaked because

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Jim Chalmers wasn't thinking he would need to deliver this,

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:11.920
<v Speaker 2>but it was only because of cyclone Elfred. I'm pretty

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 2>sure that this budget is being brought down tomorrow night.

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 2>The other question is whether this is a budget for

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<v Speaker 2>the next few years or whether this is a budget

0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:22.879
<v Speaker 2>for the next five weeks, because for the government, that's

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 2>really the only thing that matters is getting across.

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 3>The line at an election in May, and of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course Thursday night, when Peter Dutton delivers his response. So

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<v Speaker 2>far the Coalition have just matched spend for spend. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you say, it's seventy sixty seven billion dollars promised in

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the last three months, and there's been not much to

0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 2>separate Labor and the Liberal Party. Everything Albanezi promises, Peter

0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Dutton says, we'll do the same, which might be smart politics,

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 2>but I'm not sure it's great for our fiscal situation.

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 6>No, not at all.

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:57.720
<v Speaker 5>And those who are fiscally minded are rightly going, oh great,

0:44:57.800 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 5>it's tweet al ed and tweet all dumb.

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 6>I know we've got to rein this in.

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 5>It was Milton Friedman who said that when it comes

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 5>to government spending, you and I are the problem because

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 5>we incentivize governments to promise all in sundry free ice

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 5>creams for roll you get a pony, all this free

0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 5>stuff that our children's children then.

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 6>Have to pay for. But they do it every election.

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 5>Cycle because what else gets votes not much, if any,

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:30.040
<v Speaker 5>Although I dare say a lot of fiscally minded ossies

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 5>would actually love.

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.760
<v Speaker 6>To hear one of these national.

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:36.960
<v Speaker 5>Leaders talk like, all right, kids, we've got to tighten

0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 5>our belts. We've got to pull our socks up. This

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:45.320
<v Speaker 5>is for future generations. I'm going full Doge style. Why

0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 5>is the penny not yet dropped?

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:47.880
<v Speaker 6>That?

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:52.280
<v Speaker 5>Actually that will get you votes in today's environment.

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:54.479
<v Speaker 4>And that did, as you say, passes on to younger

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 4>people who will eventually have to pay back, and they're

0:45:56.640 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 4>the ones who are having more and more of their income.

0:45:58.640 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 1>Take it away and break it creep.

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<v Speaker 3>Want to be a young person in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Seriously.

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:04.200
<v Speaker 4>There is one thing though, before we go to a

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 4>break that they aren't going to spend more money on.

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Funnily enough, what do you think it is? Defense?

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.960
<v Speaker 4>Maybe will defire the Trump administration's calls for a substantial

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 4>boost to Australia's military spending, sticking to its current funding

0:46:16.880 --> 0:46:20.280
<v Speaker 4>trajectory in Tuesday's federal budget while bringing forward a billion

0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 4>dollars for submarine.

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:22.960
<v Speaker 1>And missile program.

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 4>So there is something that this government doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 4>spend more money on.

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<v Speaker 3>We should be on.

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 4>This was to be the one thing that is the

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:31.600
<v Speaker 4>most important thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, isn't it brilliant?

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<v Speaker 2>You've had a dollar for every time they said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very uncertain geopolitical times. At the moment you'd be

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<v Speaker 2>able to afford those nuclear stufs. We're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to a break where we come back that maga hat

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<v Speaker 2>that was tried to someone trying to steal it, But

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<v Speaker 2>karma too begins, toll will show you that it is

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. Well, everyone knows the Teals were elected on

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<v Speaker 2>a promise to restore integrity to politics. So how's that going, Monique?

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<v Speaker 2>Right from the seat of Couyong. Well, her husband Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan was filmed taking down the sign of a political opponent,

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<v Speaker 2>which maybe suggests the Teals should be called the Steals.

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<v Speaker 4>So hang on, mate, what are you doing? I'm taking

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<v Speaker 4>the sign?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I beg your pardon. I'm taking the sign out.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing that for? It's on public land and.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not saying who I am?

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<v Speaker 4>Who are you?

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<v Speaker 7>Or you're wearing a Teal t shirt.

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<v Speaker 10>I'll start to film you.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you, Monic Ryan supporter of ripping down people's people's signs?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you're doing? That belongs to me?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, you can take it off the property, but it

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<v Speaker 4>belongs to me.

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<v Speaker 7>If it goes back up it'll be taken down again.

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<v Speaker 4>There you go, Monique Ryan, There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Community values.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the way they ask you. Are you a

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<v Speaker 3>teal supporter? Nah nah nah No, I'm just her husband.

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<v Speaker 2>He put out a statement later in the day saying,

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize for the removal of the sign. It should

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<v Speaker 2>not have happened. All concerns around signage should be reported

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<v Speaker 2>to count So I reckon he's learned his lesson.

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<v Speaker 5>They're not sorry they did it. They're sorry they got caught.

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<v Speaker 5>But check out this case of karma on a New

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<v Speaker 5>York subway just goes.

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<v Speaker 6>To show trumped arrangement syndrome.

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<v Speaker 5>Despite the vast majority of Americans voting for the man

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<v Speaker 5>is still alive and well.

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<v Speaker 3>The Democrat.

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<v Speaker 6>The bigger they are, the harder they fall.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, she face planted, she ate concrete.

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<v Speaker 4>That is the perfect example of f around and find out,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't it. That is just so chef's kiss perfect. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>hope that happens to a.

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<v Speaker 1>Few more of them. Mate.

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<v Speaker 2>That was pretty much a metaphor for the US election.

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<v Speaker 2>He was Trump, she was Kamala Harris. That's all we've

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<v Speaker 2>got time for tonight. We'll be on at eleven pm

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night, look forward to your company. Then right now,

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<v Speaker 2>here's rid of Penny.