Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This.
Speaker 2: Is Sharry.
Speaker 3: Good Evening tonight.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump refuses to take Albanesi's phone calls, exposing our
Speaker 4: prime minister as a liar. I'll talk about this with
Speaker 4: Michael Kroger.
Speaker 3: Shortly.
Speaker 4: Police publicly confirm our report last night that the AFP
Speaker 4: withheld critical information from them about the identity of the
Speaker 4: Australian offshore criminal behind the wave of anti Semitic violence.
Speaker 3: More on that in a moment plus.
Speaker 4: Peter Dutton commits to all of the outcomes from our
Speaker 4: anti Semitism summit.
Speaker 3: This includes major migration reform. I'll discuss this with.
Speaker 4: James Patterson and the madness of Victoria looking to import energy.
Speaker 4: Why Chris Bowen ran away from a debate on his
Speaker 4: own record.
Speaker 3: That with Tet O'Brien a bit later.
Speaker 4: But first, Donald Trump has refused to take our easy's
Speaker 4: phone calls and has now slapped twenty five.
Speaker 3: Percent tariffs on Australia.
Speaker 4: This is a direct result of Australia having a left
Speaker 4: wing weak prime minister in Albanizi, who's repeatedly voted against
Speaker 4: American interests at the United Nations and.
Speaker 3: Has cozied up to China.
Speaker 4: Now it's Australian businesses that will suffer, with about fifteen
Speaker 4: percent of Australian aluminium and steel exports going to the US,
Speaker 4: and there's an estimated one hundred thousand workers in this
Speaker 4: steel industry. And the stock market also fell one point
Speaker 4: three percent today, wiping about thirty billion dollars from the ASX.
Speaker 4: The White House confirmed at six am that we wouldn't
Speaker 4: be exempt from the tariffs, with the Press Secretary Carol
Speaker 4: Levitt saying that Trump considered it and considered against it.
Speaker 4: There will be no exemptions, and that was first in
Speaker 4: The Herald. As you may recall, last Monday, I reported
Speaker 4: that alban Ezi had been desperately frantically trying to get
Speaker 4: Trump on the phone, but that the President was refusing
Speaker 4: to take his calls. Here was the start of that
Speaker 4: report that Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi has not managed to
Speaker 4: schedule another call with President Donald Trump, despite trade tariff's
Speaker 4: due to take effect in just eight days and a
Speaker 4: Chinese warship circling Australia.
Speaker 3: Three sources tell me.
Speaker 4: That Albinizi and his representatives have been desperately contacting Republican
Speaker 4: networks in the US, so That was just eight days ago,
Speaker 4: and at the time Albinizi strongly denied to me that.
Speaker 3: The President wasn't taking his calls.
Speaker 4: Sources tell me Albanizi has been trying to set up
Speaker 4: a call with Trump.
Speaker 3: Easy denies this.
Speaker 4: The Trump administration is well aware of both Albanzi and
Speaker 4: Kevin Rud's past comments about the President, and I approached
Speaker 4: Rudd and the Prime Minister for comment. A spokeswoman for
Speaker 4: Albanese said, this is wrong. It's an absolutely incorrect insinuation
Speaker 4: that they have been rebuffed. So just last Tuesday, Albanzi
Speaker 4: categorically said my report was wrong that Trump wasn't refusing
Speaker 4: to take his calls. Now, Albanzi promised to return integrity
Speaker 4: to politics. He said he do politics differently, but it
Speaker 4: turns out he's just as grubby a liar as any
Speaker 4: politician that came before him. And today the Prime Minister
Speaker 4: was caught out lying over his desperate attempts to get
Speaker 4: Trump on the phone, because he finally admitted the truth
Speaker 4: that the President of the United States.
Speaker 3: Has been rebuffing his cause.
Speaker 4: Albanezy was asked today why we haven't spoken to Trump
Speaker 4: since February the tenth and he had admitted that he had.
Speaker 3: Been trying to get him on the phone.
Speaker 5: Did he John set up a second call with Trump
Speaker 5: on tariffs?
Speaker 6: And if not, why not? Look will continue to engage
Speaker 6: in all vehicles. We have continued to put in a
Speaker 6: request for another discussion with President Trump.
Speaker 4: Are you disappointed that requests to have second phone calls
Speaker 4: with Trump couldn't be fulfilled?
Speaker 6: Friends should pick up.
Speaker 7: The phone, shouldn't we?
Speaker 6: They web engaged, web engaged, including through writing, including at
Speaker 6: senior levels of the government.
Speaker 7: People would be aware.
Speaker 6: The Treasurer, the Trade Minister, a range of the Foreign
Speaker 6: minister have all visited and have all engaged.
Speaker 4: And thanks to Sky News journalist Chrystal Wou for asking
Speaker 4: that second question. But how embarrassing for Alban Easy, How
Speaker 4: utterly humiliating. But also isn't it a sorry state of
Speaker 4: affairs when you can trust a journalist more than you
Speaker 4: can trust the Prime Minister. Albin Easy and those who
Speaker 4: speak for him are professional liars and evaders of the truth,
Speaker 4: and there's been no apology today for lying. The reality
Speaker 4: is Trump hasn't taken his call. He's busy, sure, but
Speaker 4: Trump works on relationships leader to leader, man to man,
Speaker 4: and albin Easy has no personal relationship with Trump.
Speaker 3: The president would.
Speaker 4: Also be well aware of what alban Easy and his
Speaker 4: team have said about.
Speaker 3: Him in the past, comments like.
Speaker 8: This, and as the United States in the last four
Speaker 8: years has been run by a village idiot because of
Speaker 8: the essential incoherence of the man himself.
Speaker 6: We have an alliance with the US.
Speaker 8: We're going to deal with him.
Speaker 6: But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical about it. He
Speaker 6: scares it out of me.
Speaker 4: And so much more material where that came from. As
Speaker 4: you've seen the fact that Alberanzi would appoint Kevin Rudd
Speaker 4: to that critical posting shows the lack of respect he
Speaker 4: holds for Trump. And Trump also knows exactly the type
Speaker 4: of left leading leader Albanzi is, as one source with
Speaker 4: close ties to Trump told me last week about Albanizi,
Speaker 4: Trump's ending the Third World War no time for anti
Speaker 4: Trump left wing globalists.
Speaker 3: So Trump and his team see.
Speaker 4: Alber Eazy as a left wing globalist, according to this sauce.
Speaker 4: But Trump can also see through Albanzi, as Ray Hadley
Speaker 4: said here last night, he's the worst prime minister in
Speaker 4: our country's history.
Speaker 1: Albanizi, he's pipped them by a short half head. Now
Speaker 1: he's the worst.
Speaker 9: Prime minister I've seen in thirty five years of broadcasting.
Speaker 4: Now Australian businesses had no hope of avoiding the tariffs
Speaker 4: when this is the person running our country. And Peter
Speaker 4: Darton today squarely blamed the Prime Minister.
Speaker 10: It's obvious that Anthony Albanezi and Kevin Right have had
Speaker 10: a shoka. The Prime Minister can't secure a phone call,
Speaker 10: let alone a meeting with the President of the United States,
Speaker 10: And how on earth can an outcome be negotiated if
Speaker 10: the President won't even take the Prime minister's call. So
Speaker 10: it's not just Australian to see the Prime Minister as
Speaker 10: weak and incompetent, it's our trading partners as well. And
Speaker 10: the sad reality is because of the Prime Minister's because
Speaker 10: of the Prime Minister's inability to deal with this issue,
Speaker 10: Australian jobs are at risk and Australian industry is at risk.
Speaker 10: And the Prime Minister needed to get this right and
Speaker 10: he didn't.
Speaker 4: And Darton said he believes if there's a change of government,
Speaker 4: if he wins, he could get a deal done on
Speaker 4: tariff's with Trump. Now we don't know if this is true,
Speaker 4: but we do know that from a prime minister's Malcolm
Speaker 4: Turnbull and Scott Morrison have previously negotiated exemptions with the
Speaker 4: last Trump administration, and Trump has found time to meet
Speaker 4: with many other presidents and prime ministers from around the
Speaker 4: world since his inauguration.
Speaker 3: He's invited to.
Speaker 4: The White House the leaders of Israel, Japan, Jordan, India, France,
Speaker 4: the United Kingdom, Ukraine and more. And Australia is the
Speaker 4: only Quad partner who hasn't visited Trump in Washington. Now,
Speaker 4: this is all highly damaging for Albernizi. With a federal
Speaker 4: election looming, his failure to maintain any sort of communication
Speaker 4: with the President is disastrous. The United States is our
Speaker 4: most important ally. We have crucial strategic ties, strong economic
Speaker 4: bonds and shared democratic values. Long term, the relationship will
Speaker 4: endure despite the incompetence of our increasingly weak leader.
Speaker 3: But in the short home it's.
Speaker 4: Australian businesses and families who'll suffer the most. Now I'm
Speaker 4: going to come back to that topic, also to the
Speaker 4: big news of Dutton backing in our anti Semitism summon
Speaker 4: outcomes in a moment. But now let's stay with this
Speaker 4: news that Trump has confirmed we won't get the exemption,
Speaker 4: and let's bring in our panel Victorian Liberal Party president
Speaker 4: Michael Kroger and former Labor Minister Gray Richardson. Welcome to
Speaker 4: you both. So, Michael, who do you blame here? Alban Easy,
Speaker 4: Kevin rud or Malcolm Turnbull.
Speaker 9: Well, the first two out of the three. I don't
Speaker 9: think Malcolm's comments were helpful, but I don't think that
Speaker 9: made much difference. Look, Shari Dan Scavino, who is one
Speaker 9: of Trump's He's a deputy White House Chief of Staff.
Speaker 9: He was the guy who back in November put up
Speaker 9: that hourglass on X in reference to Kevin Rudd, meaning
Speaker 9: he won't be here long. Right. That's a scaveno when
Speaker 9: you talked, when you're talking to Trump about exemptions, Scaveno
Speaker 9: would be saying to Trump, Yeah, Australia. This is the
Speaker 9: country whose ambassador, as you've just pointed out, called you
Speaker 9: a trade of the Western, a village idiot, whose prime
Speaker 9: minister has said bad things about you, whose country has
Speaker 9: allowed anti Semitism to grow to an extent we've never
Speaker 9: seen before, who basically anti Jewish, anti Israel, have done
Speaker 9: nothing to help Israel. The Prime mister hasn't been to Israel,
Speaker 9: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I mean Trump and
Speaker 9: his people will get the impression that this government really
Speaker 9: isn't very friendly to Trump and even though we got
Speaker 9: an exemption at Adeen, they are disinclined to do it now. Albertiz,
Speaker 9: who was told not to appoint Kevin Rudd, he went
Speaker 9: and appointed Kevin Rudd. You couldn't have a worse person
Speaker 9: in the country running around Washington seeking an exemption than
Speaker 9: Kevin Rudd. What a catastry to have that go running
Speaker 9: around and you know, thinking we can get that'll be saying,
Speaker 9: look this is the bike they call the president of
Speaker 9: village idiot. Oh yeah, well that's really helpful, Kevin.
Speaker 3: Well done, Elbow No exactly.
Speaker 4: And just to add to your list there, Michael, comprehensive
Speaker 4: though it was. Even under the Biden administration, there were
Speaker 4: concerns in the United States about just how close Australia
Speaker 4: was getting to China under the alb and Easy government,
Speaker 4: and also concerns under the Biden administration for how Australia
Speaker 4: kept voting against the United States' interests and position at
Speaker 4: the United Nations. So those were two issues that were
Speaker 4: there before Trump came into office. Now, Richo, you've got
Speaker 4: to admit it's utterly humiliating for your mate Albow that
Speaker 4: he can't even get a phone call, let alone a
Speaker 4: meeting with Trump.
Speaker 11: Well, I wish circumstances were a little different. I think
Speaker 11: Albo is going to have to work on that relationship
Speaker 11: a little bit. It seems to have slipped. But I
Speaker 11: think you know, anything you get you give Rudd to,
Speaker 11: you give to Rudd finishes up a mess.
Speaker 3: You blame him, You mean.
Speaker 11: You blame right this Folke's record suggests that he is
Speaker 11: just plain bloody hopeless. And why Alvob persists in that
Speaker 11: friendship I will never know.
Speaker 3: Well, he obviously feels like he owes him. Does any
Speaker 3: rich Sho.
Speaker 11: Well in Mayfiel That I don't know, But he doesn't
Speaker 11: he owes Kevin Rudd absolutely nothing the same as our country.
Speaker 4: Just looking at the tariffs themselves, Michael, you know most
Speaker 4: commentators are saying, look, these tariffs are terrible for the
Speaker 4: global economy. There are some analysts, I mean, brianman Bishop
Speaker 4: was here talking about it last night. I've also got
Speaker 4: John Lee who's going to be on the show. Later,
Speaker 4: he argues that there is method to Trump's madness. He says,
Speaker 4: continuing to do that is the surest way of putting
Speaker 4: oneself in the worst possible position to not just gain
Speaker 4: an acceptable agreement with Trump, but also prepare our economy
Speaker 4: for what's ahead. Mikeel, do you think there's any way
Speaker 4: in which the tariffs could work out.
Speaker 3: For the US or is this just uniformly about idea.
Speaker 9: I think economic history tells you that tariffs are not
Speaker 9: a good idea. I mean, countries are successful by doing
Speaker 9: what they do best and importing what they do worst.
Speaker 9: So take for example, the Albanesi government. We import solar
Speaker 9: panels from China because they may cheaply. Elbows trying to
Speaker 9: do a Trump by starting up a solar panel industry
Speaker 9: here in Australia and spending a million dollars, so those
Speaker 9: solar panels will be far more expensive than the ones
Speaker 9: made in China. We are great at many things, and
Speaker 9: that's why we're such a great export nation, and those
Speaker 9: things we're not so good at we import from low
Speaker 9: wage countries. You can see what Trump's trying to do,
Speaker 9: which is to rebuild America, but in a high wage country. Essentially,
Speaker 9: what happens is the cost of goods and service is
Speaker 9: much higher. You can see what he's trying to do,
Speaker 9: but historically tariffs are not good for trading nations. And
Speaker 9: you know, I don't agree with what he's doing. You
Speaker 9: can see why he's doing it, but you know, obviously Frustralia.
Speaker 9: The question is what is the next on the tariff list?
Speaker 9: If they get to things like beef, then we are
Speaker 9: in trouble.
Speaker 3: Rich O, what do you think?
Speaker 11: I think I would basically agree with what Michael said.
Speaker 11: I worry about Trump. I worry about him because I
Speaker 11: don't think he knows what he's doing, and that's a
Speaker 11: rare thing. I mean, Biden didn't know what he was doing,
Speaker 11: but he had people around him who could do it.
Speaker 11: I don't know if this Blake has, but one thing's
Speaker 11: for sure, he himself has not a clue what's going on.
Speaker 4: I think Trump does know what he's doing, and he
Speaker 4: does have a strategy here. Get into that a bit
Speaker 4: later in the show with John Lee. I want to
Speaker 4: talk about this ceasefire agreement. This is a thirty day
Speaker 4: ceasefire plan that both America and Ukraine have agreed to.
Speaker 4: Trump now needs to get Putin on board, and Trump
Speaker 4: has said he will speak to Putin have a look.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to Vladimir, But yeah, I want to get look,
Speaker 2: that's the other takes two to tango, as they say, right,
Speaker 2: So hopefully he'll also agree, and I really think that
Speaker 2: would be seventy five percent of the way. The rest
Speaker 2: is getting it documented. And you know, negotiating land.
Speaker 4: Michael, this is going to be difficult. Of course, Russia
Speaker 4: is going to want more land. Ukraine's obviously not going
Speaker 4: to want to give up more land. How do you
Speaker 4: think this will play out?
Speaker 9: So, Shari, I looked at this way. The success of JD.
Speaker 9: Vance to succeed Trump as president of the United States
Speaker 9: all depends on whether the Trump presidency is a success.
Speaker 9: If He's seem to fail, then Vance will fail. And
Speaker 9: I think that so much of the Trump legacy depends
Speaker 9: on what happens in his relationship with Russia. Why do
Speaker 9: I say that, because he made such a big campaign
Speaker 9: issue of resolving the dispute with the Ukraine and Russia
Speaker 9: within one day, meaning he didn't mean one day, he
Speaker 9: meant within three to six months. You know, you kay,
Speaker 9: what he says, he hopefully has already had discussions with
Speaker 9: Putin and through his advisors talk to Putin's people, and
Speaker 9: hopefully he knows that the Russians have prepared to back
Speaker 9: away from their public statements, which are basically all the
Speaker 9: land they've got, non membership of native et cetera, cetera.
Speaker 9: You've got to hope that Trump and his people have
Speaker 9: reached some kind of in principle deal already with Russia,
Speaker 9: because if this goes bad on Trump, it will taint
Speaker 9: his entire presidency, and that will be disastrous for J. D. Evans,
Speaker 9: who's likely to follow him.
Speaker 4: I think it's quite remarkable that, you know, we're still's
Speaker 4: not even three months into Trump's presidency. Already he seems
Speaker 4: to have broke it, at least an initial ceasefire agreement.
Speaker 3: You know, if you can pull it off, well, all
Speaker 3: those people who.
Speaker 4: Said, you know, everything he was saying about Ukraine will
Speaker 4: perhaps it was just to get food into the table.
Speaker 4: We'll see, we'll see, but you know, maybe we should
Speaker 4: give him the benefit of the doubt on this. All right,
Speaker 4: let's come back to Victoria now, because we've seen the
Speaker 4: premiere Alan today saying she's going to introduce the toughest
Speaker 4: bail laws in the country. This after there's been a
Speaker 4: major youth crime problem and you know, kids being let
Speaker 4: out and bail dozens of times going on to reoffending. Graham,
Speaker 4: how can the Victorian public trust her to get it
Speaker 4: right when she hasn't so far. They've been in power
Speaker 4: forever now.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think if you're looking at any great failure
Speaker 11: in the Victorian Labor government, law and order's got to
Speaker 11: be up there. I think it's it's been a black
Speaker 11: mark again them for a long time, and they've got
Speaker 11: to do something about it. I think really tough stuff
Speaker 11: is the only way to answer your critics when you're
Speaker 11: in a situation like this. So they're going to have
Speaker 11: to bring down laws that are really tough now. I
Speaker 11: just don't know if there's a willingness within the Labor
Speaker 11: Party to do that.
Speaker 4: Michael, you're obviously you live in Victoria. Crime has become
Speaker 4: such a big issue that it is USO now playing
Speaker 4: into the federal election as well. But on these bail laws,
Speaker 4: what do you think is it all just too little,
Speaker 4: too late?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Of course. Look, Jacindra Allen, the Premier here has been
Speaker 9: in Parliament for more than twenty five years. She's grown
Speaker 9: completely drunk politically, drunk on power, on three four hundred dollars,
Speaker 9: thousand dollars salaries, chauffeured cars, pays for nothing. She's completely
Speaker 9: lost touch with Victorians. She is the Marie Antoinette of Victoria.
Speaker 9: She has no idea what's happening out there in the suburbs.
Speaker 9: To now totally reverse what she did last year tells
Speaker 9: you that she's desperate, clinging to a life raft. She
Speaker 9: doesn't believe in any of this stuff, because she did
Speaker 9: exactly the opposite just twelve months ago. So this is
Speaker 9: desperate stuff. No one trusts the Premier or any of
Speaker 9: this stuff. She doesn't believe what she's doing as a seed.
Speaker 9: She's drunk on power. And hopefully she'll be gone next year,
Speaker 9: as she should be. I mean, these people like her
Speaker 9: have been in Parlam for it more than twenty five years. Enough,
Speaker 9: it's too long.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 9: They're out of touch with what's happening in the suburbs.
Speaker 9: And she won't be missed, I can tell you that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And like I said, the issue of crime
Speaker 4: and national security are going to be very big issues
Speaker 4: in many seats in Victoria. Come the federal election as well,
Speaker 4: so you know this might change the outcome. You know,
Speaker 4: Darton's focusing on Victoria. He has he feels like there's
Speaker 4: a lot of seeds he can pick up in Victoria
Speaker 4: from labor and from the tier, and this is one
Speaker 4: of the most prominent issues at the federal election. All right, Richo,
Speaker 4: Michael Kroger, thank you boy so much for your time.
Speaker 4: All Right, let's move on to now some very welcome
Speaker 4: news on our Sky News Antisemitism Summit. Peter Dutton has
Speaker 4: endorsed all of our fifteen summit outcomes across education to
Speaker 4: law enforcement. He says there is strong and necessary response
Speaker 4: to the disturbing rise of antisemitism in our country. The
Speaker 4: Coalition supports this plan and is committed to enacting the
Speaker 4: measures for which the Federal government has responsibility to ensure
Speaker 4: antisemitism has no place in our country. He says the
Speaker 4: Coalition has been unequivocal in its approach to condemning antisemitism
Speaker 4: and will continue to do so under his leadership at
Speaker 4: all times. He says, enough is enough and the response
Speaker 4: from the Prime Minister well so far. The Executive Council
Speaker 4: of Australian Jury and Alex Rifchin haven't received a reply
Speaker 4: apply to their letter detailing the summit outcomes. And let's
Speaker 4: hope alber Easy commits to these reforms.
Speaker 3: And let's hope this isn't.
Speaker 4: Yet another example of weak leadership on anti Semitism. Now,
Speaker 4: one of the measures that Peter Dutton supported on the
Speaker 4: day of our summit was reform to the Migration Act.
Speaker 3: Have a look. Do you think the.
Speaker 4: Migration Act should be amended so that anti submitted conduct
Speaker 4: is grounds to refuse.
Speaker 3: A new visa?
Speaker 10: Yes, without question. We've announced it will tighten up section
Speaker 10: five O one. I want to send a very clear
Speaker 10: message to people who hate us, hate our country, hate
Speaker 10: Jewish people, hate other segments of our society that's under
Speaker 10: a government dirily, they'll have no place in this country.
Speaker 3: We will reform the makeweak, we.
Speaker 10: Will reform the migration program.
Speaker 4: All right, to discuss this now, let's bring in Shadow
Speaker 4: Home Affairs Minister James Patterson live from the New Liberal
Speaker 4: Party headquarters in Paramatter. I suppose James, you were expecting
Speaker 4: an election this week, as campaign as we all were,
Speaker 4: hasn't pound out, But to start tonight, can you commit
Speaker 4: to or can you comment on how Darton and the
Speaker 4: Coalition is committing to all of our summit outcomes.
Speaker 3: If you win the next election, we'll char This was.
Speaker 8: A great active leadership by Sky News and the Executive
Speaker 8: Council of Australian Jury responding to genuine and deep community
Speaker 8: concern about the antisemitism crisis which has fested in our
Speaker 8: country over the last sixteen months. And frankly you had
Speaker 8: us at hello. We didn't require much persuading when we
Speaker 8: saw the list of proposals. We've gree with all of
Speaker 8: them in principle and we'll implement them in government. And
Speaker 8: it's particularly important that we implement those ideas around the
Speaker 8: migration system. As Peter said, some of those we'd already
Speaker 8: talked about already and others you've extended. And it's self
Speaker 8: evidently obvious that someone who's a guest in our country
Speaker 8: here on a visa, who has violated the principles of Australia,
Speaker 8: violated our values by engaging in antisemitism and spreading it
Speaker 8: in our country, that they have no place in this
Speaker 8: country and that we will hesit. We will not hesitate
Speaker 8: for us second to cancel their visit and deport them.
Speaker 4: All right, I want to turn to this caravan bomb plot.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about the exclusive story I
Speaker 4: had here last night which revealed that there was serious
Speaker 4: mishandling of the caravan investigation by the AFP. The AFP
Speaker 4: refused to disclose the identity of the offshore Australian criminal
Speaker 4: to New South Wales Police, yet insisted that information coming
Speaker 4: from this person was credible and that it needed to
Speaker 4: be acted on now. As I said last night, New
Speaker 4: Southwales Police early on were inclined to treat this as suspicious,
Speaker 4: but the AFP fell for the hoax. They claimed that
Speaker 4: their source had credible intelligence. This led to a Jewish
Speaker 4: businessman being under twenty four hour police protection. Well today,
Speaker 4: New Southweal's Police Deputy Commissioner David Hudson was grilled about
Speaker 4: some of this at budget estimates and he confirmed my story.
Speaker 5: Have a look early on in the investigation from the
Speaker 5: outset we had about it, but because of the ingestion
Speaker 5: of information into the investigation by another agency, we had
Speaker 5: to treat it at its heist and until we discounted that,
Speaker 5: we couldn't come out and say that.
Speaker 4: So, James, what's your reaction to this that the New
Speaker 4: Southwell's police were happy to handle the matter under Strike
Speaker 4: Force Pearl, but that the AFP fell for the hoax,
Speaker 4: escalated it to a joint counter terrorism information and then
Speaker 4: pass on information that they claimed as credible when it wasn't.
Speaker 8: Shari, I was very concerned to see your report last night,
Speaker 8: and even more alarmed when I saw the Deputy Commissioner's
Speaker 8: evidence in the New South Wales Parliament today which seemed
Speaker 8: to confirm it. We need the federal police and the
Speaker 8: New South Wales Police working together more closely and more
Speaker 8: seamlessly than ever before, and it is of grave concern
Speaker 8: if that relationship has broken down to the extent it
Speaker 8: appears to have based.
Speaker 9: On your reporting.
Speaker 8: And the most remarkable thing about this is that, let's
Speaker 8: throm simba that both of them ultimately report to labor leaders,
Speaker 8: a labor premier in New South Wales and Chris Mins,
Speaker 8: and a Labor Prime Minister in Anthony Albanesi in Canberra.
Speaker 8: Why can't these two political letters get together and sort
Speaker 8: this out and make sure that in the middle of
Speaker 8: an antisemitism crisis, that our police forces at the state
Speaker 8: and federal level are working together in a seamless way,
Speaker 8: It really is a very poor reflection on Anthony Albertez's leadership.
Speaker 8: It shows how weak he is. We know he doesn't
Speaker 8: get along with Chrismins very well. We know he's been
Speaker 8: embarrassed by chrismins stronger leadership on antisemitism over the last
Speaker 8: sixteen months. But that is not a good reason to
Speaker 8: not roll his sleeves up, get in behind this and
Speaker 8: fix it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And also the fact that there was a Jewish businessman
Speaker 4: under twenty four hour police protection for more than a
Speaker 4: month based on information that wasn't credible. You know, the
Speaker 4: alarm that creates in the community is extraordinary. James, just
Speaker 4: sticking with this for a minute. I also reported last
Speaker 4: night that the New South Wales Police didn't even know
Speaker 4: the identity of this Australian criminal offshore until two weeks
Speaker 4: ago because the AFP refused to share that information. Now,
Speaker 4: when Dave Hudson was asked about the criminal's motivation today
Speaker 4: under interrogation, he said this, we're not.
Speaker 5: Exactly sure of that motivation. That's from another agency.
Speaker 4: But that's from another agency. We weren't sure of that
Speaker 4: criminal's motivation. Now, as you said this isn't cooperation between
Speaker 4: the agencies. Do you think, as my sources have suggested,
Speaker 4: that there should be an inquiry into the joint arrangements
Speaker 4: between the AFP and New South Wales Police.
Speaker 3: Given this was such a debacle.
Speaker 4: And given national security and terrorism are so critical and
Speaker 4: we need to prevent mishaps happening in the future.
Speaker 8: Sure, I think there is very good grounds for an
Speaker 8: investigation here. Peter Dutton has already called one into what
Speaker 8: the Prime Minister knew and what he did about it,
Speaker 8: and the Prime Minister has still not come clean after
Speaker 8: police have made arrests. But there are many questions to
Speaker 8: be answered about this investigation. It was a very serious
Speaker 8: and very high profile investigation and there does appear to
Speaker 8: be some very serious issues with it. One that I
Speaker 8: would add to the list of concerns is that the
Speaker 8: Albanese government publicized the theory that this was possibly a
Speaker 8: foreign government or a foreign terrorist organization who was sponsoring
Speaker 8: these attacks on Australian soil using organized criminals. Now, if
Speaker 8: that turns out not to be the case, and based
Speaker 8: on the public reporting, it doesn't seem like that's very likely.
Speaker 8: I believe that police have ruled that out now as
Speaker 8: a possibility. Why was that fear put into the community
Speaker 8: publicly causing the Jewish community to believe that Iran or
Speaker 8: Russia or some other foreign government was sponsoring terrorism on
Speaker 8: Australian soil.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very good point, and you're right the press conference
Speaker 4: on Monday, the police and the AFP completely ruled out
Speaker 4: a foreign actess foreign state actor being involved, as I
Speaker 4: reported at the time when the Federal government first floated
Speaker 4: that idea, bizarrely because there was no basis for at all. Now, James,
Speaker 4: you've come under attack by Tony Burke, the Home Affairs Minister,
Speaker 4: in relation to this matter. He claims that you and
Speaker 4: Peter Darton exaggerated confected a crisis.
Speaker 3: What's your response to this?
Speaker 8: Well, it must be a day ending in why Shari.
Speaker 8: If Tony Burke's attacking me, I have to say he
Speaker 8: does seem a little bit obsessed with me. I wish
Speaker 8: he put as much energy into fighting anti Semitism as
Speaker 8: he does to stalking me. But I think this is
Speaker 8: a pretty desperate attempt on his behalf to try and
Speaker 8: distract from the government's obvious failings in this area. He
Speaker 8: knows he has a weak prime minister who has no
Speaker 8: instinct for national security, who doesn't have the stomach to
Speaker 8: take the tough decisions in the national interest, and so
Speaker 8: he's throwing out as many red herrings as possible to
Speaker 8: try and distract from that. But the truth is that
Speaker 8: it was the Prime Minister and the Premier New South
Speaker 8: Wales who first calls this terrorism. They never corrected the record,
Speaker 8: despite being updated by police along the way, and it
Speaker 8: is them who are responsible for that, not anybody else.
Speaker 4: Just turning to the trade tariffs, Albinizi finally admitted today
Speaker 4: what he had denied a week ago, which is that
Speaker 4: he has been trying to call President Trump and Trump
Speaker 4: hasn't been taking his cause.
Speaker 3: How humiliating is this?
Speaker 8: Sorry, my main thoughts today are with the workers and
Speaker 8: their families in the steel and alimenium industries who've been
Speaker 8: hit by these tariffs today, which are totally unjustified, and
Speaker 8: I'm disappointed that the Albanese government has taken, frankly, such
Speaker 8: a low energy approach to this issue. It sounds like
Speaker 8: he's been pestering President Trump for a phone call and
Speaker 8: that hasn't happened. But why didn't he get on the plane.
Speaker 8: Why didn't he go to Washington, DC like so many
Speaker 8: other of our allies and like minded partners did. As
Speaker 8: you pointed out in your editorial, every member of the
Speaker 8: Quad other than Australia has had their leader visit at
Speaker 8: DC and meet with President Trump. Why hasn't the Trade
Speaker 8: Minister Don Farrell got on a plane? What on earth
Speaker 8: we have a trade minister for if not to lobby
Speaker 8: in Australia's national interest in Washington DC on big trade
Speaker 8: questions like this, But they've failed to do so, and
Speaker 8: I think they have to take responsibility this.
Speaker 4: Do you think this is partly a reflection of the
Speaker 4: fact that Alberanezi has been cozying up to China and
Speaker 4: also Australia's voting record at the UN which has gone
Speaker 4: against the United States.
Speaker 8: Well, that's possible. I certainly hope it's not the case.
Speaker 8: I hope it's not all the indiscreet and inappropriate things
Speaker 8: that the Prime Minister and senior ministers have said about
Speaker 8: President Trump over the years. I hope it's not the
Speaker 8: indiscreet and inappropriate things that Kevin rad Our, ambassador said
Speaker 8: about the President over the years. When you have big
Speaker 8: issues at stake in a town like Washington, DC, you
Speaker 8: have to put your best foot forward, and I think
Speaker 8: we've got to ask real questions about whether the Albinsi
Speaker 8: government and its ambassador are the best people to put
Speaker 8: our foot forward on this issue when they're so hopelessly
Speaker 8: compromised by their public attacks on the president.
Speaker 3: All right, indeed, James Pattison, thank you very much for
Speaker 3: your time. Now still to come.
Speaker 4: Christians and Alois are being persecuted in Syria, yet silence,
Speaker 4: Where are the protests? Michael Silka would join me to
Speaker 4: discuss this hypocrisy, plus Chris Bowen shying away from an
Speaker 4: energy debate, and the analysts who say there's method to
Speaker 4: the madness on Trump's tariffs.
Speaker 3: John Lee would join me next. Welcome back.
Speaker 4: Okay, we're going to get to Chris Bowen and also
Speaker 4: the hypocrisy of the world remaining silent over Allowhites and
Speaker 4: Christians being persecuted in Syria. But first let's stick with
Speaker 4: the biggest story today, Trump's trade war. Now, mostly you'll
Speaker 4: hear commentators criticizing the tariffs, but senior fellow at the
Speaker 4: Hudson Institute John Lee writes in The Finn Review that
Speaker 4: many underestimate Trump's economic wit at their own peril, saying
Speaker 4: that on economics and trade, there's sophisticated reasoning and method
Speaker 4: behind what Trump is doing. One may still strongly disagree
Speaker 4: with it, but understanding it is necessary for dealing constructively
Speaker 4: with the administration on these matters.
Speaker 3: And John Lee joins me, now, great to see you again,
Speaker 3: thanks for joving.
Speaker 12: Good evening.
Speaker 3: So explain this sophisticated approach that Trump is taking here.
Speaker 12: For me, what Trump's trying to achieve is American reindustrialization.
Speaker 12: A lot of people talk about tariffs as if it's
Speaker 12: an evil thing. It's neither evil nor good. It's just
Speaker 12: a tool of policy and a theory behind it as
Speaker 12: far as Trump's concerned, is to make it more expensive
Speaker 12: for foreigners to sell products in America and incentivize American firms,
Speaker 12: American based firms to produce for the American market. Now,
Speaker 12: of course you have to do all sorts of other
Speaker 12: reforms to make it attractive from efficient to make stuff
Speaker 12: in America. But ultimately the tariff is tarifts are being
Speaker 12: imposed by Trump to get companies to produce more in America.
Speaker 12: That's not an unusual or terrible policy objective. He just
Speaker 12: has to do a lot of other things to ensure
Speaker 12: he gets the outcome that he wants, and.
Speaker 3: This would be popular, of course in the ross belt states.
Speaker 12: It's a ross belt states, but there is a pretty
Speaker 12: broad consensus throughout America outside the East and West Coast city.
Speaker 12: It's not trouble through America. Quite a fair beer that
Speaker 12: a lot of American trade partners have their own forms
Speaker 12: of protectionism, tariffs and other so called behind the border
Speaker 12: measures which have come at the expense of American industry.
Speaker 12: So yes, there is an element of wanting America to
Speaker 12: start making things again, but that speaks to both trying
Speaker 12: to increase the outcomes of American middle class. But it's
Speaker 12: also due a political argument that American needs industrial resilience
Speaker 12: because we're not living in the benign world that we
Speaker 12: were in nineteen nineties and two thousand.
Speaker 4: Look, and we saw the dangers of reliance on Chinese goods,
Speaker 4: for example, during the COVID pandemic, but in terms of
Speaker 4: pushing up the price of goods, because this will mean
Speaker 4: that imported goods do become more expensive.
Speaker 3: So you know what about the cost pressures and the
Speaker 3: risk of a recession.
Speaker 12: There's clearly risk involved here, and in the short term
Speaker 12: they probably will be increases in prices because the cost
Speaker 12: inputs have gone up. The theory and a practice of
Speaker 12: what they're trying to achieve is, yes, imported parts and
Speaker 12: goods will become more expensive for American consumers. But America
Speaker 12: needs to make sure its energy is a lot cheaper,
Speaker 12: and Trump is obviously doing a lot of things to
Speaker 12: achieve that. America needs to deregulate, it needs to change
Speaker 12: the dustrial relations to make it a lot more flexible.
Speaker 12: So these so called supply side reforms, they're very difficult
Speaker 12: to do. I have no idea whether Trump will succeed,
Speaker 12: but if it does those supply side reforms, then he
Speaker 12: may achieve something close to what he's after. If he
Speaker 12: fails in those supply side reforms, then yes, it could
Speaker 12: actually be an economic disaster for the Americans.
Speaker 3: Could be a disaster for US as well.
Speaker 4: Just in two days, fifty billion dollars wiped off the ASX.
Speaker 3: How should Australia be handling this?
Speaker 12: Well, just on the stock market, I mean stock market
Speaker 12: prices in a short term, they're driven more by psychology
Speaker 12: and it's really fear and greed than it is about fundamentals,
Speaker 12: so we have there.
Speaker 4: Will be real impacts for one hundred thousand workers in
Speaker 4: the steel industry. We don't know the exact figures of
Speaker 4: how many companies will be affected by these tariffs, but
Speaker 4: it will be substantial.
Speaker 12: It will be substantial. But I'm distinguishing that between distinguishing
Speaker 12: between the impact on the steel and amnium ministries, which
Speaker 12: clearly won't be good, and a broader stock market, which
Speaker 12: I think is unnecessarily pairs a mystic at these stage
Speaker 12: because we have no evidence whether it's what the outcome
Speaker 12: is going to be in terms of how we should
Speaker 12: handle it. And I saw parts of your show earlier. Look,
Speaker 12: you know the alban Easy government does have a problem
Speaker 12: with the Trump administration. There's a personality problem, which you
Speaker 12: spoke about a few minutes.
Speaker 4: I just might remind you or tell you, is that
Speaker 4: you are close to parts of the Trump administration.
Speaker 12: Well, I do see some people in the Trump White House,
Speaker 12: and yes they are very aware of past comments made.
Speaker 12: But it's not just the personality issues, and that's some
Speaker 12: serious we can't get past that. Just the personality issues.
Speaker 12: I think the alban Ezy government treats the Trump administration
Speaker 12: and Trump himself like he's an idiot, like he's a fool,
Speaker 12: like he's doing self destructive things because he's too stupid.
Speaker 3: No otherwise very patronizing.
Speaker 12: Well, if you treat an American president like that, then
Speaker 12: he's not going to respond where you want. And I
Speaker 12: should say as well that Trump has defined not just
Speaker 12: American politics, but American policy, industrial policy, foreign policy, policy
Speaker 12: towards China views, and globalization. Trump has defined American foreign
Speaker 12: policy and domestic policy for the last ten years. Whether
Speaker 12: you agrieve him or not, he's clearly a substantial person.
Speaker 12: He's going to be transformed, if one way or the other.
Speaker 12: So if you're an Australian government, Albanesi or otherwise, you
Speaker 12: really need to understand what is happening in America rather
Speaker 12: than just ridicule what you see.
Speaker 4: And you'd have to think that a lot of Australians
Speaker 4: actually would prefer Trump's foreign policy positions than those taken
Speaker 4: by Pennywang and Alberan Easy on on Israel, I mean,
Speaker 4: they seem to have turned our allies into enemies and
Speaker 4: our enemies into allies. Our foreign policy has been far
Speaker 4: more bizarre than the Trump administration.
Speaker 12: Well, certainly on Israel and Middle East. That has been
Speaker 12: noticed in the United States. Now even on China, even
Speaker 12: back to the economic argument, I mean, I've heard it
Speaker 12: said in the United States and DC this element of
Speaker 12: Australian hypocrisy here because the biggest distorter of the global
Speaker 12: economy in the world is China. Australia does not say
Speaker 12: a word against China because Australia benefits from Chinese overproduction
Speaker 12: Chinese obsidization. So Austraia has never said a word against
Speaker 12: Chinese policies, but Sunny rails against Trump's terrst. So that
Speaker 12: has been noticed.
Speaker 4: All right, John Lee from the Hudson Institute, appreciate your time,
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Now still to come, why Chris Bowen is running away
Speaker 4: from a debate on energy policy and his own record.
Speaker 4: Plus Christians persecuted in Syria, yet silence from the global community.
Speaker 3: Michael Souka would join me next. Welcome back.
Speaker 4: Well now to the horrific scenes in Syria where thousands
Speaker 4: of civilians, including Christian minority groups and Alowites have been murdered.
Speaker 4: Women and children among those executed on the streets, with
Speaker 4: graphic footage showing bodies on the side of the Road,
Speaker 4: the Islamist group Hayat Taria al Sham and the interim
Speaker 4: i Met al Shara governments militant forces are responsible for
Speaker 4: this murder. Yet despite the tragedy of both Alowites and
Speaker 4: Christian minorities being killed, the world has been strangely silent.
Speaker 4: No mass protests, no United Nations condemnations. Social media isn't
Speaker 4: in uproar. It seems if it doesn't involve Israel, the
Speaker 4: world isn't interested. We're joining me now to discuss shadow housing,
Speaker 4: Minister Michael Suka.
Speaker 3: Michael, great to see you again.
Speaker 4: Look, these are horrifying images that are being horrifying crimes, murder,
Speaker 4: slaughter that's been committed against Christian minorities following the overthrow
Speaker 4: of the Asade regime.
Speaker 3: What do you make of this in the world's silence.
Speaker 7: On it, Well, it sickens me, to be perfectly Frank Shari,
Speaker 7: because we've seen elevated interest on the Middle East, particularly
Speaker 7: from the United Nations, particularly from the sort of radical
Speaker 7: global left movement, and yet here we have an example
Speaker 7: of a jihadi militia which has now taken control of
Speaker 7: Syria in HTS. As you rightly point out, massacrering minorities
Speaker 7: in Syria, whether they be Christians, whether they be Alohites,
Speaker 7: and a range of other minorities. And we hear nothing.
Speaker 7: And not only do we hear nothing from the United Nations,
Speaker 7: again presumably because it doesn't involve Israel. No one has
Speaker 7: called out the fact that Turkey has funded, has has
Speaker 7: supported HTS, so they are fully backed by Turkey. They're
Speaker 7: now running right and massacring people. And to add insult
Speaker 7: to injury, we have the European Commission has invited the
Speaker 7: HTS regime to Brussels.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's that's insane.
Speaker 7: It sickens me. We have Christians in the Middle East
Speaker 7: when even there's conflict. Christians are the ones who suffer
Speaker 7: from these jihadi movements throughout the Middle East. And we
Speaker 7: do not hear a peep from the United Nations, and
Speaker 7: we do not hear a peep from the global left,
Speaker 7: presumably because they can't beat up on Israel, so they're
Speaker 7: not interested.
Speaker 3: I think you're one hundred percent right.
Speaker 4: Sadly, because we know the figures, there are a disproportionate
Speaker 4: number of resolutions at the United Nations and human rights
Speaker 4: groups related to the United Nations against Israel, but silence.
Speaker 4: And you know, you think of the tens of thousands
Speaker 4: of people who came out into the streets to protest
Speaker 4: before Israel had even lifted a finger to respond to
Speaker 4: October seven. And yet where are the protests now? Why
Speaker 4: doesn't the world care about this? Why doesn't the world
Speaker 4: care about Christians being killed? It's devastating, Michael, to turn
Speaker 4: to your shadow portfolio.
Speaker 3: Your area of housing.
Speaker 4: Now this was quite interesting because a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 4: the nine newspapers reported that the Albanese government had built
Speaker 4: three hundred and forty houses under their Housing Australia Future Fund.
Speaker 4: But it was then revealed at Senate estimates under questioning
Speaker 4: by the Coalition that in fact, none of those homes
Speaker 4: had been built, they'd just been acquired and converted. Now,
Speaker 4: I was quite surprised to see that ABC's Media Watch
Speaker 4: criticized this.
Speaker 7: Have a look figures from the fund to be released
Speaker 7: today will show three hundred and fifty eight homes have
Speaker 7: been completed.
Speaker 10: At a centate estimates. Hearing that day, nine scoop took
Speaker 10: center stage.
Speaker 9: Apparently, according to the Sydney Morning held in the Age today,
Speaker 9: the Housing Straphage trainers now built three hundred houses.
Speaker 8: Three hundred and forty homes are complete and as these
Speaker 8: have been quite and conversion into social and affordable housing.
Speaker 9: Acquired and converted?
Speaker 10: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: And it went on.
Speaker 4: Now this is quite a different approach from the new
Speaker 4: host of Media Watch, Lent and Besser. But Michael, you
Speaker 4: know this is quite appalling that this was a key
Speaker 4: Labor campaign pledge to build more housing for Australians, yet
Speaker 4: it seems no houses have been built.
Speaker 7: Well sharing to be frank, after three is of being
Speaker 7: in government, you'd think that a government would be to
Speaker 7: embarrassed to loudly proclaim on the front page of the
Speaker 7: Age and the City Morning Held even that they'd built
Speaker 7: the grand sum of three hundred homes. I mean, I
Speaker 7: think that would be embarrassing enough. But we were able
Speaker 7: to unveil in senate estimates. We didn't very short time.
Speaker 7: I made at it didn't take much digging that. Actually,
Speaker 7: after nearly three years of this Albanesi government, not one
Speaker 7: home has been built as a result of a Labor
Speaker 7: government policy. Not one single home that directly relates to
Speaker 7: a policy that they've put in place. Media Watch called
Speaker 7: it out. I mean it's you know, Australians who have
Speaker 7: any have any sense of the housing market, know that
Speaker 7: on every single metric, whether it's new home starts, new
Speaker 7: home completions, how difficult it is to get into a
Speaker 7: first time, the costs for enters. That on every single metric,
Speaker 7: housing has got catastrophically backwards in this country. And whilst
Speaker 7: labor's delivering no homes and Australia is building fewer homes
Speaker 7: than we have for a very long time, they decide
Speaker 7: to ramp up migration to absolute record levels, bringing in
Speaker 7: five hundred thousand people per year, with absolutely no idea
Speaker 7: where those people are going to. So it completely unraveled
Speaker 7: for them over the last couple of weeks. But I
Speaker 7: suspect it's not a huge surprise to austrain So I
Speaker 7: think I've already marked this government down as having been
Speaker 7: a disaster for housing in this country.
Speaker 4: Just quickly, because we've got to go. But this is
Speaker 4: a multi billion dollar fund, yes, this housing fund.
Speaker 7: Yes, it's a so called ten billion dollar fund that's
Speaker 7: delivered zero hut no houses.
Speaker 4: Insane all right, Michael Sioka, thank you very much for
Speaker 4: your time. Now still to calm Chris Bowen in hiding
Speaker 4: over his record on energy. Teto Brian will join me
Speaker 4: next to reveal why.
Speaker 3: Welcome Backward.
Speaker 4: Just under an hour ago, two hundred and fifty Pot
Speaker 4: Stevens locals sat down to Well. They wanted to watch
Speaker 4: Climate change Minister Chris Bowen and his shutow counterpart Ted
Speaker 4: O'Brien debate energy.
Speaker 3: It had all the hallmarks of a great.
Speaker 4: Discussion, probably fiery, except Chris Bowen didn't turn He declined
Speaker 4: the event despite Ted O'Brien repeatedly inviting him. And let's
Speaker 4: bring you now the Shadow Minister for Rategy Tetobrian. Ted,
Speaker 4: So have you debated Chris Bowen before and why didn't
Speaker 4: he turn up to this debate?
Speaker 3: What was the reason he gave you? Shari?
Speaker 1: Great to be with you tonight. I have debated Chris
Speaker 1: Bowen before, but he will only appear on the ABC
Speaker 1: or a debate that is streamed on the ABC, basically
Speaker 1: where he feels most comfortable. I wrote to him well
Speaker 1: over one hundred days ago saying I'm very happy to
Speaker 1: debate you on the seven thirty report dunk tick, but
Speaker 1: I also want to debate you on Sky. But most importantly,
Speaker 1: I want to go to regional Australia. It's regional Australia
Speaker 1: which are not only paying exorbitant prices for electricity, but
Speaker 1: they're the ones we will be relying on, whether it
Speaker 1: be labor or whether it be the Coalition, to basically
Speaker 1: guarantee Australia's security moving forward. And what I put to
Speaker 1: Chris Bowen was let's go to your state.
Speaker 11: First.
Speaker 1: Let's have a debate in Port Stephens because they want
Speaker 1: to talk about offshore wind Labour's program. And then let's
Speaker 1: have a debate in Muscle Brook so we can talk
Speaker 1: about the coalition's nuclear plan. You know, I can't get
Speaker 1: him out of the Canberra bubble or an ABC studio.
Speaker 4: I don't know what more of social media other social
Speaker 4: media accounts now one of the major that's right, The
Speaker 4: major issues that could change votes, particularly in regional areas
Speaker 4: are offshore wind farms. What sort of commitment are you
Speaker 4: looking for and would you reverse the current wind farms
Speaker 4: if you win the election?
Speaker 1: Shari here in Port Stephens, this community, we heard it
Speaker 1: again tonight has been steamrolled by the Albanese government when
Speaker 1: it comes to offshore wind. We have been very clear
Speaker 1: under Peter Dutton's leadership once and if we win government,
Speaker 1: we will scrap this offshore wind zone. So in the
Speaker 1: event of a coalition government, there will not be win
Speaker 1: farms offshore here across from Port Stephens. So that is
Speaker 1: our commitment. It's black and white, very clear. You know,
Speaker 1: we had Lawrence Antcliff tonight, the Liberal candidate here in Patterson.
Speaker 1: When people here locally vote for him, they are voting
Speaker 1: for a coalition government which will scrap this offshore win zone.
Speaker 3: Period ted them.
Speaker 4: If Chris Bowen was there tonight, and he wasn't, but
Speaker 4: if he was, he probably would have pressured you over
Speaker 4: the costings of your nuclear policy.
Speaker 3: Are you going to release more information on that?
Speaker 1: I so wish he was, and I so wish we
Speaker 1: could have a conversation about the economics of his plan
Speaker 1: versus the coalition's plan, especially amidst a living crisis where
Speaker 1: people are hurting.
Speaker 3: Our plan is.
Speaker 1: Forty four percent cheaper. Now, the work done there independently
Speaker 1: by frontier economics. Labor has not been out of land
Speaker 1: of glove to criticize that modeling because they know very
Speaker 1: well it's accurate.
Speaker 11: That's that's it.
Speaker 9: What was that?
Speaker 3: What's the total details about the assumptions. So what was
Speaker 3: the total cost under that modeling.
Speaker 1: Of the nuclear plan or of our overall plan, our
Speaker 1: nuclear plan capital costs will be up to one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty billion dollars. Now when you hear Shahi, by
Speaker 1: the way, we heard this from the Prime Minister, the Treasurer,
Speaker 1: the Energy minister, they will multiply that by five an
Speaker 1: outright lie. It is up to one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: billion dollars capital cost They times are by five five,
Speaker 1: because that's what they do. They are related to.
Speaker 4: People quickly ask you about this quite shocking story that
Speaker 4: Victoria is reportedly to the Australia and considering importing gas
Speaker 4: when Australia has so much supply.
Speaker 1: Schari, have you ever heard of a bigger policy failure
Speaker 1: in energy than that? I mean, labor has basically suffocated
Speaker 1: the supply of gas. And the energy ministers are getting
Speaker 1: together this Friday and under Chris Bowen's leadership at the
Speaker 1: behest of Victoria Labor they want to import gas. Here
Speaker 1: we are as a country blessed with abundance of gas,
Speaker 1: and Labour's solution is not to improve approval processes, not
Speaker 1: to add gas to the Capacity Investment scheme not to
Speaker 1: improve infrastructure for gas, but to import gas from other countries.
Speaker 1: It speaks volumes about failed policy. It'll only lead to
Speaker 1: higher prices forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems completely ridiculous when we have so much supply.
Speaker 4: Tet O Brain, appreciate your time. Thank you very much,
Speaker 4: and thank you everyone for your company tonight. I'll see
Speaker 4: you tomorrow at eight pm. And right now, here's poor Murray,
Speaker 4: a man case