WEBVTT - Sharri | 12 March

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News This.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 3>Good Evening tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump refuses to take Albanesi's phone calls, exposing our

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<v Speaker 4>prime minister as a liar. I'll talk about this with

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Kroger.

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<v Speaker 3>Shortly.

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<v Speaker 4>Police publicly confirm our report last night that the AFP

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<v Speaker 4>withheld critical information from them about the identity of the

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<v Speaker 4>Australian offshore criminal behind the wave of anti Semitic violence.

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<v Speaker 3>More on that in a moment plus.

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<v Speaker 4>Peter Dutton commits to all of the outcomes from our

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<v Speaker 4>anti Semitism summit.

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<v Speaker 3>This includes major migration reform. I'll discuss this with.

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<v Speaker 4>James Patterson and the madness of Victoria looking to import energy.

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<v Speaker 4>Why Chris Bowen ran away from a debate on his

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<v Speaker 4>own record.

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<v Speaker 3>That with Tet O'Brien a bit later.

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<v Speaker 4>But first, Donald Trump has refused to take our easy's

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<v Speaker 4>phone calls and has now slapped twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Percent tariffs on Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a direct result of Australia having a left

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<v Speaker 4>wing weak prime minister in Albanizi, who's repeatedly voted against

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<v Speaker 4>American interests at the United Nations and.

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<v Speaker 3>Has cozied up to China.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it's Australian businesses that will suffer, with about fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>percent of Australian aluminium and steel exports going to the US,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's an estimated one hundred thousand workers in this

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<v Speaker 4>steel industry. And the stock market also fell one point

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<v Speaker 4>three percent today, wiping about thirty billion dollars from the ASX.

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<v Speaker 4>The White House confirmed at six am that we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>be exempt from the tariffs, with the Press Secretary Carol

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<v Speaker 4>Levitt saying that Trump considered it and considered against it.

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<v Speaker 4>There will be no exemptions, and that was first in

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<v Speaker 4>The Herald. As you may recall, last Monday, I reported

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<v Speaker 4>that alban Ezi had been desperately frantically trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>Trump on the phone, but that the President was refusing

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<v Speaker 4>to take his calls. Here was the start of that

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<v Speaker 4>report that Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi has not managed to

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<v Speaker 4>schedule another call with President Donald Trump, despite trade tariff's

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<v Speaker 4>due to take effect in just eight days and a

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<v Speaker 4>Chinese warship circling Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Three sources tell me.

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<v Speaker 4>That Albinizi and his representatives have been desperately contacting Republican

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<v Speaker 4>networks in the US, so That was just eight days ago,

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<v Speaker 4>and at the time Albinizi strongly denied to me that.

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<v Speaker 3>The President wasn't taking his calls.

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<v Speaker 4>Sources tell me Albanizi has been trying to set up

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<v Speaker 4>a call with Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Easy denies this.

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<v Speaker 4>The Trump administration is well aware of both Albanzi and

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<v Speaker 4>Kevin Rud's past comments about the President, and I approached

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<v Speaker 4>Rudd and the Prime Minister for comment. A spokeswoman for

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<v Speaker 4>Albanese said, this is wrong. It's an absolutely incorrect insinuation

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<v Speaker 4>that they have been rebuffed. So just last Tuesday, Albanzi

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<v Speaker 4>categorically said my report was wrong that Trump wasn't refusing

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<v Speaker 4>to take his calls. Now, Albanzi promised to return integrity

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<v Speaker 4>to politics. He said he do politics differently, but it

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<v Speaker 4>turns out he's just as grubby a liar as any

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<v Speaker 4>politician that came before him. And today the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 4>was caught out lying over his desperate attempts to get

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<v Speaker 4>Trump on the phone, because he finally admitted the truth

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<v Speaker 4>that the President of the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>Has been rebuffing his cause.

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<v Speaker 4>Albanezy was asked today why we haven't spoken to Trump

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<v Speaker 4>since February the tenth and he had admitted that he had.

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<v Speaker 3>Been trying to get him on the phone.

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<v Speaker 5>Did he John set up a second call with Trump

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<v Speaker 5>on tariffs?

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<v Speaker 6>And if not, why not? Look will continue to engage

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<v Speaker 6>in all vehicles. We have continued to put in a

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<v Speaker 6>request for another discussion with President Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you disappointed that requests to have second phone calls

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<v Speaker 4>with Trump couldn't be fulfilled?

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<v Speaker 6>Friends should pick up.

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<v Speaker 7>The phone, shouldn't we?

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<v Speaker 6>They web engaged, web engaged, including through writing, including at

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<v Speaker 6>senior levels of the government.

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<v Speaker 7>People would be aware.

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<v Speaker 6>The Treasurer, the Trade Minister, a range of the Foreign

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<v Speaker 6>minister have all visited and have all engaged.

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<v Speaker 4>And thanks to Sky News journalist Chrystal Wou for asking

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<v Speaker 4>that second question. But how embarrassing for Alban Easy, How

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<v Speaker 4>utterly humiliating. But also isn't it a sorry state of

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<v Speaker 4>affairs when you can trust a journalist more than you

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<v Speaker 4>can trust the Prime Minister. Albin Easy and those who

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<v Speaker 4>speak for him are professional liars and evaders of the truth,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's been no apology today for lying. The reality

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<v Speaker 4>is Trump hasn't taken his call. He's busy, sure, but

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<v Speaker 4>Trump works on relationships leader to leader, man to man,

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<v Speaker 4>and albin Easy has no personal relationship with Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>The president would.

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<v Speaker 4>Also be well aware of what alban Easy and his

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<v Speaker 4>team have said about.

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<v Speaker 3>Him in the past, comments like.

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<v Speaker 8>This, and as the United States in the last four

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<v Speaker 8>years has been run by a village idiot because of

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<v Speaker 8>the essential incoherence of the man himself.

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<v Speaker 6>We have an alliance with the US.

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<v Speaker 8>We're going to deal with him.

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<v Speaker 6>But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical about it. He

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<v Speaker 6>scares it out of me.

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<v Speaker 4>And so much more material where that came from. As

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<v Speaker 4>you've seen the fact that Alberanzi would appoint Kevin Rudd

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<v Speaker 4>to that critical posting shows the lack of respect he

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<v Speaker 4>holds for Trump. And Trump also knows exactly the type

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<v Speaker 4>of left leading leader Albanzi is, as one source with

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<v Speaker 4>close ties to Trump told me last week about Albanizi,

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<v Speaker 4>Trump's ending the Third World War no time for anti

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<v Speaker 4>Trump left wing globalists.

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<v Speaker 3>So Trump and his team see.

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<v Speaker 4>Alber Eazy as a left wing globalist, according to this sauce.

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<v Speaker 4>But Trump can also see through Albanzi, as Ray Hadley

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<v Speaker 4>said here last night, he's the worst prime minister in

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<v Speaker 4>our country's history.

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<v Speaker 1>Albanizi, he's pipped them by a short half head. Now

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<v Speaker 1>he's the worst.

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<v Speaker 9>Prime minister I've seen in thirty five years of broadcasting.

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<v Speaker 4>Now Australian businesses had no hope of avoiding the tariffs

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<v Speaker 4>when this is the person running our country. And Peter

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<v Speaker 4>Darton today squarely blamed the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 10>It's obvious that Anthony Albanezi and Kevin Right have had

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<v Speaker 10>a shoka. The Prime Minister can't secure a phone call,

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<v Speaker 10>let alone a meeting with the President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 10>And how on earth can an outcome be negotiated if

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<v Speaker 10>the President won't even take the Prime minister's call. So

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<v Speaker 10>it's not just Australian to see the Prime Minister as

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<v Speaker 10>weak and incompetent, it's our trading partners as well. And

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<v Speaker 10>the sad reality is because of the Prime Minister's because

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<v Speaker 10>of the Prime Minister's inability to deal with this issue,

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<v Speaker 10>Australian jobs are at risk and Australian industry is at risk.

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<v Speaker 10>And the Prime Minister needed to get this right and

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<v Speaker 10>he didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>And Darton said he believes if there's a change of government,

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<v Speaker 4>if he wins, he could get a deal done on

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<v Speaker 4>tariff's with Trump. Now we don't know if this is true,

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<v Speaker 4>but we do know that from a prime minister's Malcolm

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<v Speaker 4>Turnbull and Scott Morrison have previously negotiated exemptions with the

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<v Speaker 4>last Trump administration, and Trump has found time to meet

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<v Speaker 4>with many other presidents and prime ministers from around the

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<v Speaker 4>world since his inauguration.

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<v Speaker 3>He's invited to.

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<v Speaker 4>The White House the leaders of Israel, Japan, Jordan, India, France,

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<v Speaker 4>the United Kingdom, Ukraine and more. And Australia is the

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<v Speaker 4>only Quad partner who hasn't visited Trump in Washington. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>this is all highly damaging for Albernizi. With a federal

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<v Speaker 4>election looming, his failure to maintain any sort of communication

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<v Speaker 4>with the President is disastrous. The United States is our

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<v Speaker 4>most important ally. We have crucial strategic ties, strong economic

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<v Speaker 4>bonds and shared democratic values. Long term, the relationship will

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<v Speaker 4>endure despite the incompetence of our increasingly weak leader.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the short home it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Australian businesses and families who'll suffer the most. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going to come back to that topic, also to the

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<v Speaker 4>big news of Dutton backing in our anti Semitism summon

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<v Speaker 4>outcomes in a moment. But now let's stay with this

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<v Speaker 4>news that Trump has confirmed we won't get the exemption,

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<v Speaker 4>and let's bring in our panel Victorian Liberal Party president

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Kroger and former Labor Minister Gray Richardson. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 4>you both. So, Michael, who do you blame here? Alban Easy,

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<v Speaker 4>Kevin rud or Malcolm Turnbull.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, the first two out of the three. I don't

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<v Speaker 9>think Malcolm's comments were helpful, but I don't think that

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<v Speaker 9>made much difference. Look, Shari Dan Scavino, who is one

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<v Speaker 9>of Trump's He's a deputy White House Chief of Staff.

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<v Speaker 9>He was the guy who back in November put up

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<v Speaker 9>that hourglass on X in reference to Kevin Rudd, meaning

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<v Speaker 9>he won't be here long. Right. That's a scaveno when

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<v Speaker 9>you talked, when you're talking to Trump about exemptions, Scaveno

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<v Speaker 9>would be saying to Trump, Yeah, Australia. This is the

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<v Speaker 9>country whose ambassador, as you've just pointed out, called you

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<v Speaker 9>a trade of the Western, a village idiot, whose prime

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<v Speaker 9>minister has said bad things about you, whose country has

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<v Speaker 9>allowed anti Semitism to grow to an extent we've never

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<v Speaker 9>seen before, who basically anti Jewish, anti Israel, have done

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<v Speaker 9>nothing to help Israel. The Prime mister hasn't been to Israel,

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<v Speaker 9>et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I mean Trump and

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<v Speaker 9>his people will get the impression that this government really

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<v Speaker 9>isn't very friendly to Trump and even though we got

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<v Speaker 9>an exemption at Adeen, they are disinclined to do it now. Albertiz,

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<v Speaker 9>who was told not to appoint Kevin Rudd, he went

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<v Speaker 9>and appointed Kevin Rudd. You couldn't have a worse person

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<v Speaker 9>in the country running around Washington seeking an exemption than

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<v Speaker 9>Kevin Rudd. What a catastry to have that go running

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<v Speaker 9>around and you know, thinking we can get that'll be saying,

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<v Speaker 9>look this is the bike they call the president of

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<v Speaker 9>village idiot. Oh yeah, well that's really helpful, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 3>Well done, Elbow No exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And just to add to your list there, Michael, comprehensive

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<v Speaker 4>though it was. Even under the Biden administration, there were

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<v Speaker 4>concerns in the United States about just how close Australia

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<v Speaker 4>was getting to China under the alb and Easy government,

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<v Speaker 4>and also concerns under the Biden administration for how Australia

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<v Speaker 4>kept voting against the United States' interests and position at

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<v Speaker 4>the United Nations. So those were two issues that were

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<v Speaker 4>there before Trump came into office. Now, Richo, you've got

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<v Speaker 4>to admit it's utterly humiliating for your mate Albow that

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<v Speaker 4>he can't even get a phone call, let alone a

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<v Speaker 4>meeting with Trump.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I wish circumstances were a little different. I think

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<v Speaker 11>Albo is going to have to work on that relationship

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<v Speaker 11>a little bit. It seems to have slipped. But I

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<v Speaker 11>think you know, anything you get you give Rudd to,

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<v Speaker 11>you give to Rudd finishes up a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>You blame him, You mean.

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<v Speaker 11>You blame right this Folke's record suggests that he is

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<v Speaker 11>just plain bloody hopeless. And why Alvob persists in that

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<v Speaker 11>friendship I will never know.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he obviously feels like he owes him. Does any

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<v Speaker 3>rich Sho.

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<v Speaker 11>Well in Mayfiel That I don't know, But he doesn't

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<v Speaker 11>he owes Kevin Rudd absolutely nothing the same as our country.

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<v Speaker 4>Just looking at the tariffs themselves, Michael, you know most

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<v Speaker 4>commentators are saying, look, these tariffs are terrible for the

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<v Speaker 4>global economy. There are some analysts, I mean, brianman Bishop

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<v Speaker 4>was here talking about it last night. I've also got

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<v Speaker 4>John Lee who's going to be on the show. Later,

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<v Speaker 4>he argues that there is method to Trump's madness. He says,

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<v Speaker 4>continuing to do that is the surest way of putting

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<v Speaker 4>oneself in the worst possible position to not just gain

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<v Speaker 4>an acceptable agreement with Trump, but also prepare our economy

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<v Speaker 4>for what's ahead. Mikeel, do you think there's any way

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<v Speaker 4>in which the tariffs could work out.

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<v Speaker 3>For the US or is this just uniformly about idea.

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<v Speaker 9>I think economic history tells you that tariffs are not

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<v Speaker 9>a good idea. I mean, countries are successful by doing

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<v Speaker 9>what they do best and importing what they do worst.

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<v Speaker 9>So take for example, the Albanesi government. We import solar

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<v Speaker 9>panels from China because they may cheaply. Elbows trying to

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<v Speaker 9>do a Trump by starting up a solar panel industry

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<v Speaker 9>here in Australia and spending a million dollars, so those

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<v Speaker 9>solar panels will be far more expensive than the ones

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<v Speaker 9>made in China. We are great at many things, and

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<v Speaker 9>that's why we're such a great export nation, and those

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<v Speaker 9>things we're not so good at we import from low

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<v Speaker 9>wage countries. You can see what Trump's trying to do,

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<v Speaker 9>which is to rebuild America, but in a high wage country. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 9>what happens is the cost of goods and service is

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<v Speaker 9>much higher. You can see what he's trying to do,

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<v Speaker 9>but historically tariffs are not good for trading nations. And

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I don't agree with what he's doing. You

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<v Speaker 9>can see why he's doing it, but you know, obviously Frustralia.

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<v Speaker 9>The question is what is the next on the tariff list?

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<v Speaker 9>If they get to things like beef, then we are

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<v Speaker 9>in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Rich O, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 11>I think I would basically agree with what Michael said.

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<v Speaker 11>I worry about Trump. I worry about him because I

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<v Speaker 11>don't think he knows what he's doing, and that's a

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<v Speaker 11>rare thing. I mean, Biden didn't know what he was doing,

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<v Speaker 11>but he had people around him who could do it.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't know if this Blake has, but one thing's

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<v Speaker 11>for sure, he himself has not a clue what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Trump does know what he's doing, and he

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<v Speaker 4>does have a strategy here. Get into that a bit

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<v Speaker 4>later in the show with John Lee. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about this ceasefire agreement. This is a thirty day

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<v Speaker 4>ceasefire plan that both America and Ukraine have agreed to.

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<v Speaker 4>Trump now needs to get Putin on board, and Trump

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<v Speaker 4>has said he will speak to Putin have a look.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk to Vladimir, But yeah, I want to get look,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the other takes two to tango, as they say, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So hopefully he'll also agree, and I really think that

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<v Speaker 2>would be seventy five percent of the way. The rest

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<v Speaker 2>is getting it documented. And you know, negotiating land.

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<v Speaker 4>Michael, this is going to be difficult. Of course, Russia

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<v Speaker 4>is going to want more land. Ukraine's obviously not going

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<v Speaker 4>to want to give up more land. How do you

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<v Speaker 4>think this will play out?

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<v Speaker 9>So, Shari, I looked at this way. The success of JD.

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<v Speaker 9>Vance to succeed Trump as president of the United States

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<v Speaker 9>all depends on whether the Trump presidency is a success.

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<v Speaker 9>If He's seem to fail, then Vance will fail. And

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<v Speaker 9>I think that so much of the Trump legacy depends

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<v Speaker 9>on what happens in his relationship with Russia. Why do

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<v Speaker 9>I say that, because he made such a big campaign

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<v Speaker 9>issue of resolving the dispute with the Ukraine and Russia

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<v Speaker 9>within one day, meaning he didn't mean one day, he

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<v Speaker 9>meant within three to six months. You know, you kay,

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<v Speaker 9>what he says, he hopefully has already had discussions with

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<v Speaker 9>Putin and through his advisors talk to Putin's people, and

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<v Speaker 9>hopefully he knows that the Russians have prepared to back

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<v Speaker 9>away from their public statements, which are basically all the

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<v Speaker 9>land they've got, non membership of native et cetera, cetera.

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<v Speaker 9>You've got to hope that Trump and his people have

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<v Speaker 9>reached some kind of in principle deal already with Russia,

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<v Speaker 9>because if this goes bad on Trump, it will taint

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<v Speaker 9>his entire presidency, and that will be disastrous for J. D. Evans,

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<v Speaker 9>who's likely to follow him.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's quite remarkable that, you know, we're still's

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<v Speaker 4>not even three months into Trump's presidency. Already he seems

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<v Speaker 4>to have broke it, at least an initial ceasefire agreement.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if you can pull it off, well, all

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<v Speaker 3>those people who.

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<v Speaker 4>Said, you know, everything he was saying about Ukraine will

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<v Speaker 4>perhaps it was just to get food into the table.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll see, we'll see, but you know, maybe we should

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<v Speaker 4>give him the benefit of the doubt on this. All right,

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<v Speaker 4>let's come back to Victoria now, because we've seen the

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<v Speaker 4>premiere Alan today saying she's going to introduce the toughest

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<v Speaker 4>bail laws in the country. This after there's been a

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<v Speaker 4>major youth crime problem and you know, kids being let

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<v Speaker 4>out and bail dozens of times going on to reoffending. Graham,

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<v Speaker 4>how can the Victorian public trust her to get it

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<v Speaker 4>right when she hasn't so far. They've been in power

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<v Speaker 4>forever now.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I think if you're looking at any great failure

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<v Speaker 11>in the Victorian Labor government, law and order's got to

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<v Speaker 11>be up there. I think it's it's been a black

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<v Speaker 11>mark again them for a long time, and they've got

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<v Speaker 11>to do something about it. I think really tough stuff

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<v Speaker 11>is the only way to answer your critics when you're

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<v Speaker 11>in a situation like this. So they're going to have

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<v Speaker 11>to bring down laws that are really tough now. I

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<v Speaker 11>just don't know if there's a willingness within the Labor

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<v Speaker 11>Party to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>Michael, you're obviously you live in Victoria. Crime has become

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<v Speaker 4>such a big issue that it is USO now playing

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<v Speaker 4>into the federal election as well. But on these bail laws,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you think is it all just too little,

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<v Speaker 4>too late?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 9>Of course. Look, Jacindra Allen, the Premier here has been

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<v Speaker 9>in Parliament for more than twenty five years. She's grown

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<v Speaker 9>completely drunk politically, drunk on power, on three four hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 9>thousand dollars salaries, chauffeured cars, pays for nothing. She's completely

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<v Speaker 9>lost touch with Victorians. She is the Marie Antoinette of Victoria.

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<v Speaker 9>She has no idea what's happening out there in the suburbs.

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<v Speaker 9>To now totally reverse what she did last year tells

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<v Speaker 9>you that she's desperate, clinging to a life raft. She

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<v Speaker 9>doesn't believe in any of this stuff, because she did

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<v Speaker 9>exactly the opposite just twelve months ago. So this is

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<v Speaker 9>desperate stuff. No one trusts the Premier or any of

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<v Speaker 9>this stuff. She doesn't believe what she's doing as a seed.

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<v Speaker 9>She's drunk on power. And hopefully she'll be gone next year,

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<v Speaker 9>as she should be. I mean, these people like her

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<v Speaker 9>have been in Parlam for it more than twenty five years. Enough,

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<v Speaker 9>it's too long.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 9>They're out of touch with what's happening in the suburbs.

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<v Speaker 9>And she won't be missed, I can tell you that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, And like I said, the issue of crime

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<v Speaker 4>and national security are going to be very big issues

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<v Speaker 4>in many seats in Victoria. Come the federal election as well,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know this might change the outcome. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>Darton's focusing on Victoria. He has he feels like there's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of seeds he can pick up in Victoria

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<v Speaker 4>from labor and from the tier, and this is one

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<v Speaker 4>of the most prominent issues at the federal election. All right, Richo,

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<v Speaker 4>Michael Kroger, thank you boy so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 4>All Right, let's move on to now some very welcome

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<v Speaker 4>news on our Sky News Antisemitism Summit. Peter Dutton has

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<v Speaker 4>endorsed all of our fifteen summit outcomes across education to

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<v Speaker 4>law enforcement. He says there is strong and necessary response

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<v Speaker 4>to the disturbing rise of antisemitism in our country. The

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<v Speaker 4>Coalition supports this plan and is committed to enacting the

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<v Speaker 4>measures for which the Federal government has responsibility to ensure

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<v Speaker 4>antisemitism has no place in our country. He says the

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<v Speaker 4>Coalition has been unequivocal in its approach to condemning antisemitism

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<v Speaker 4>and will continue to do so under his leadership at

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<v Speaker 4>all times. He says, enough is enough and the response

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<v Speaker 4>from the Prime Minister well so far. The Executive Council

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<v Speaker 4>of Australian Jury and Alex Rifchin haven't received a reply

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<v Speaker 4>apply to their letter detailing the summit outcomes. And let's

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<v Speaker 4>hope alber Easy commits to these reforms.

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<v Speaker 3>And let's hope this isn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet another example of weak leadership on anti Semitism. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the measures that Peter Dutton supported on the

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<v Speaker 4>day of our summit was reform to the Migration Act.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a look. Do you think the.

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<v Speaker 4>Migration Act should be amended so that anti submitted conduct

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<v Speaker 4>is grounds to refuse.

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<v Speaker 3>A new visa?

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, without question. We've announced it will tighten up section

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<v Speaker 10>five O one. I want to send a very clear

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<v Speaker 10>message to people who hate us, hate our country, hate

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<v Speaker 10>Jewish people, hate other segments of our society that's under

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<v Speaker 10>a government dirily, they'll have no place in this country.

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<v Speaker 3>We will reform the makeweak, we.

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<v Speaker 10>Will reform the migration program.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, to discuss this now, let's bring in Shadow

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<v Speaker 4>Home Affairs Minister James Patterson live from the New Liberal

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<v Speaker 4>Party headquarters in Paramatter. I suppose James, you were expecting

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<v Speaker 4>an election this week, as campaign as we all were,

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<v Speaker 4>hasn't pound out, But to start tonight, can you commit

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<v Speaker 4>to or can you comment on how Darton and the

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<v Speaker 4>Coalition is committing to all of our summit outcomes.

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<v Speaker 3>If you win the next election, we'll char This was.

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<v Speaker 8>A great active leadership by Sky News and the Executive

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<v Speaker 8>Council of Australian Jury responding to genuine and deep community

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<v Speaker 8>concern about the antisemitism crisis which has fested in our

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<v Speaker 8>country over the last sixteen months. And frankly you had

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<v Speaker 8>us at hello. We didn't require much persuading when we

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<v Speaker 8>saw the list of proposals. We've gree with all of

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<v Speaker 8>them in principle and we'll implement them in government. And

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<v Speaker 8>it's particularly important that we implement those ideas around the

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<v Speaker 8>migration system. As Peter said, some of those we'd already

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<v Speaker 8>talked about already and others you've extended. And it's self

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<v Speaker 8>evidently obvious that someone who's a guest in our country

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<v Speaker 8>here on a visa, who has violated the principles of Australia,

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<v Speaker 8>violated our values by engaging in antisemitism and spreading it

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<v Speaker 8>in our country, that they have no place in this

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<v Speaker 8>country and that we will hesit. We will not hesitate

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<v Speaker 8>for us second to cancel their visit and deport them.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, I want to turn to this caravan bomb plot.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to ask you about the exclusive story I

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<v Speaker 4>had here last night which revealed that there was serious

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<v Speaker 4>mishandling of the caravan investigation by the AFP. The AFP

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<v Speaker 4>refused to disclose the identity of the offshore Australian criminal

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<v Speaker 4>to New South Wales Police, yet insisted that information coming

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<v Speaker 4>from this person was credible and that it needed to

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<v Speaker 4>be acted on now. As I said last night, New

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<v Speaker 4>Southwales Police early on were inclined to treat this as suspicious,

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<v Speaker 4>but the AFP fell for the hoax. They claimed that

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<v Speaker 4>their source had credible intelligence. This led to a Jewish

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<v Speaker 4>businessman being under twenty four hour police protection. Well today,

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<v Speaker 4>New Southweal's Police Deputy Commissioner David Hudson was grilled about

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<v Speaker 4>some of this at budget estimates and he confirmed my story.

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<v Speaker 5>Have a look early on in the investigation from the

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<v Speaker 5>outset we had about it, but because of the ingestion

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<v Speaker 5>of information into the investigation by another agency, we had

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<v Speaker 5>to treat it at its heist and until we discounted that,

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<v Speaker 5>we couldn't come out and say that.

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<v Speaker 4>So, James, what's your reaction to this that the New

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<v Speaker 4>Southwell's police were happy to handle the matter under Strike

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<v Speaker 4>Force Pearl, but that the AFP fell for the hoax,

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<v Speaker 4>escalated it to a joint counter terrorism information and then

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<v Speaker 4>pass on information that they claimed as credible when it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 8>Shari, I was very concerned to see your report last night,

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<v Speaker 8>and even more alarmed when I saw the Deputy Commissioner's

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<v Speaker 8>evidence in the New South Wales Parliament today which seemed

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<v Speaker 8>to confirm it. We need the federal police and the

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<v Speaker 8>New South Wales Police working together more closely and more

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<v Speaker 8>seamlessly than ever before, and it is of grave concern

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<v Speaker 8>if that relationship has broken down to the extent it

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<v Speaker 8>appears to have based.

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<v Speaker 9>On your reporting.

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<v Speaker 8>And the most remarkable thing about this is that, let's

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<v Speaker 8>throm simba that both of them ultimately report to labor leaders,

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<v Speaker 8>a labor premier in New South Wales and Chris Mins,

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<v Speaker 8>and a Labor Prime Minister in Anthony Albanesi in Canberra.

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<v Speaker 8>Why can't these two political letters get together and sort

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<v Speaker 8>this out and make sure that in the middle of

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<v Speaker 8>an antisemitism crisis, that our police forces at the state

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<v Speaker 8>and federal level are working together in a seamless way,

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<v Speaker 8>It really is a very poor reflection on Anthony Albertez's leadership.

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<v Speaker 8>It shows how weak he is. We know he doesn't

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<v Speaker 8>get along with Chrismins very well. We know he's been

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<v Speaker 8>embarrassed by chrismins stronger leadership on antisemitism over the last

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<v Speaker 8>sixteen months. But that is not a good reason to

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<v Speaker 8>not roll his sleeves up, get in behind this and

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<v Speaker 8>fix it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 4>And also the fact that there was a Jewish businessman

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<v Speaker 4>under twenty four hour police protection for more than a

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<v Speaker 4>month based on information that wasn't credible. You know, the

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<v Speaker 4>alarm that creates in the community is extraordinary. James, just

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<v Speaker 4>sticking with this for a minute. I also reported last

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<v Speaker 4>night that the New South Wales Police didn't even know

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<v Speaker 4>the identity of this Australian criminal offshore until two weeks

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<v Speaker 4>ago because the AFP refused to share that information. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>when Dave Hudson was asked about the criminal's motivation today

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<v Speaker 4>under interrogation, he said this, we're not.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly sure of that motivation. That's from another agency.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's from another agency. We weren't sure of that

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<v Speaker 4>criminal's motivation. Now, as you said this isn't cooperation between

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<v Speaker 4>the agencies. Do you think, as my sources have suggested,

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<v Speaker 4>that there should be an inquiry into the joint arrangements

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<v Speaker 4>between the AFP and New South Wales Police.

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<v Speaker 3>Given this was such a debacle.

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<v Speaker 4>And given national security and terrorism are so critical and

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<v Speaker 4>we need to prevent mishaps happening in the future.

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<v Speaker 8>Sure, I think there is very good grounds for an

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<v Speaker 8>investigation here. Peter Dutton has already called one into what

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<v Speaker 8>the Prime Minister knew and what he did about it,

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<v Speaker 8>and the Prime Minister has still not come clean after

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<v Speaker 8>police have made arrests. But there are many questions to

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<v Speaker 8>be answered about this investigation. It was a very serious

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<v Speaker 8>and very high profile investigation and there does appear to

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<v Speaker 8>be some very serious issues with it. One that I

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<v Speaker 8>would add to the list of concerns is that the

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<v Speaker 8>Albanese government publicized the theory that this was possibly a

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<v Speaker 8>foreign government or a foreign terrorist organization who was sponsoring

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<v Speaker 8>these attacks on Australian soil using organized criminals. Now, if

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<v Speaker 8>that turns out not to be the case, and based

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<v Speaker 8>on the public reporting, it doesn't seem like that's very likely.

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<v Speaker 8>I believe that police have ruled that out now as

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<v Speaker 8>a possibility. Why was that fear put into the community

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:38.399
<v Speaker 8>publicly causing the Jewish community to believe that Iran or

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<v Speaker 8>Russia or some other foreign government was sponsoring terrorism on

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<v Speaker 8>Australian soil.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, very good point, and you're right the press conference

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<v Speaker 4>on Monday, the police and the AFP completely ruled out

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<v Speaker 4>a foreign actess foreign state actor being involved, as I

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<v Speaker 4>reported at the time when the Federal government first floated

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<v Speaker 4>that idea, bizarrely because there was no basis for at all. Now, James,

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<v Speaker 4>you've come under attack by Tony Burke, the Home Affairs Minister,

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<v Speaker 4>in relation to this matter. He claims that you and

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<v Speaker 4>Peter Darton exaggerated confected a crisis.

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<v Speaker 3>What's your response to this?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it must be a day ending in why Shari.

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<v Speaker 8>If Tony Burke's attacking me, I have to say he

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 8>does seem a little bit obsessed with me. I wish

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.959
<v Speaker 8>he put as much energy into fighting anti Semitism as

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<v Speaker 8>he does to stalking me. But I think this is

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<v Speaker 8>a pretty desperate attempt on his behalf to try and

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<v Speaker 8>distract from the government's obvious failings in this area. He

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<v Speaker 8>knows he has a weak prime minister who has no

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<v Speaker 8>instinct for national security, who doesn't have the stomach to

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<v Speaker 8>take the tough decisions in the national interest, and so

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<v Speaker 8>he's throwing out as many red herrings as possible to

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<v Speaker 8>try and distract from that. But the truth is that

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<v Speaker 8>it was the Prime Minister and the Premier New South

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<v Speaker 8>Wales who first calls this terrorism. They never corrected the record,

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<v Speaker 8>despite being updated by police along the way, and it

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<v Speaker 8>is them who are responsible for that, not anybody else.

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<v Speaker 4>Just turning to the trade tariffs, Albinizi finally admitted today

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<v Speaker 4>what he had denied a week ago, which is that

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<v Speaker 4>he has been trying to call President Trump and Trump

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<v Speaker 4>hasn't been taking his cause.

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<v Speaker 3>How humiliating is this?

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<v Speaker 8>Sorry, my main thoughts today are with the workers and

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<v Speaker 8>their families in the steel and alimenium industries who've been

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<v Speaker 8>hit by these tariffs today, which are totally unjustified, and

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<v Speaker 8>I'm disappointed that the Albanese government has taken, frankly, such

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<v Speaker 8>a low energy approach to this issue. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 8>he's been pestering President Trump for a phone call and

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<v Speaker 8>that hasn't happened. But why didn't he get on the plane.

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<v Speaker 8>Why didn't he go to Washington, DC like so many

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<v Speaker 8>other of our allies and like minded partners did. As

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<v Speaker 8>you pointed out in your editorial, every member of the

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<v Speaker 8>Quad other than Australia has had their leader visit at

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<v Speaker 8>DC and meet with President Trump. Why hasn't the Trade

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<v Speaker 8>Minister Don Farrell got on a plane? What on earth

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<v Speaker 8>we have a trade minister for if not to lobby

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<v Speaker 8>in Australia's national interest in Washington DC on big trade

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<v Speaker 8>questions like this, But they've failed to do so, and

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<v Speaker 8>I think they have to take responsibility this.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think this is partly a reflection of the

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<v Speaker 4>fact that Alberanezi has been cozying up to China and

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<v Speaker 4>also Australia's voting record at the UN which has gone

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<v Speaker 4>against the United States.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, that's possible. I certainly hope it's not the case.

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<v Speaker 8>I hope it's not all the indiscreet and inappropriate things

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<v Speaker 8>that the Prime Minister and senior ministers have said about

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<v Speaker 8>President Trump over the years. I hope it's not the

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<v Speaker 8>indiscreet and inappropriate things that Kevin rad Our, ambassador said

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<v Speaker 8>about the President over the years. When you have big

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<v Speaker 8>issues at stake in a town like Washington, DC, you

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<v Speaker 8>have to put your best foot forward, and I think

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<v Speaker 8>we've got to ask real questions about whether the Albinsi

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<v Speaker 8>government and its ambassador are the best people to put

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<v Speaker 8>our foot forward on this issue when they're so hopelessly

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<v Speaker 8>compromised by their public attacks on the president.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, indeed, James Pattison, thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 3>your time. Now still to come.

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 4>Christians and Alois are being persecuted in Syria, yet silence,

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<v Speaker 4>Where are the protests? Michael Silka would join me to

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 4>discuss this hypocrisy, plus Chris Bowen shying away from an

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<v Speaker 4>energy debate, and the analysts who say there's method to

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 4>the madness on Trump's tariffs.

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<v Speaker 3>John Lee would join me next. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, we're going to get to Chris Bowen and also

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<v Speaker 4>the hypocrisy of the world remaining silent over Allowhites and

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 4>Christians being persecuted in Syria. But first let's stick with

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest story today, Trump's trade war. Now, mostly you'll

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 4>hear commentators criticizing the tariffs, but senior fellow at the

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<v Speaker 4>Hudson Institute John Lee writes in The Finn Review that

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<v Speaker 4>many underestimate Trump's economic wit at their own peril, saying

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<v Speaker 4>that on economics and trade, there's sophisticated reasoning and method

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<v Speaker 4>behind what Trump is doing. One may still strongly disagree

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<v Speaker 4>with it, but understanding it is necessary for dealing constructively

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<v Speaker 4>with the administration on these matters.

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<v Speaker 3>And John Lee joins me, now, great to see you again,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks for joving.

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<v Speaker 12>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 3>So explain this sophisticated approach that Trump is taking here.

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<v Speaker 12>For me, what Trump's trying to achieve is American reindustrialization.

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<v Speaker 12>A lot of people talk about tariffs as if it's

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<v Speaker 12>an evil thing. It's neither evil nor good. It's just

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 12>a tool of policy and a theory behind it as

0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 12>far as Trump's concerned, is to make it more expensive

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<v Speaker 12>for foreigners to sell products in America and incentivize American firms,

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 12>American based firms to produce for the American market. Now,

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<v Speaker 12>of course you have to do all sorts of other

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<v Speaker 12>reforms to make it attractive from efficient to make stuff

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<v Speaker 12>in America. But ultimately the tariff is tarifts are being

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 12>imposed by Trump to get companies to produce more in America.

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<v Speaker 12>That's not an unusual or terrible policy objective. He just

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<v Speaker 12>has to do a lot of other things to ensure

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<v Speaker 12>he gets the outcome that he wants, and.

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<v Speaker 3>This would be popular, of course in the ross belt states.

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<v Speaker 12>It's a ross belt states, but there is a pretty

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<v Speaker 12>broad consensus throughout America outside the East and West Coast city.

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<v Speaker 12>It's not trouble through America. Quite a fair beer that

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<v Speaker 12>a lot of American trade partners have their own forms

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<v Speaker 12>of protectionism, tariffs and other so called behind the border

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.600
<v Speaker 12>measures which have come at the expense of American industry.

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<v Speaker 12>So yes, there is an element of wanting America to

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<v Speaker 12>start making things again, but that speaks to both trying

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<v Speaker 12>to increase the outcomes of American middle class. But it's

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<v Speaker 12>also due a political argument that American needs industrial resilience

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<v Speaker 12>because we're not living in the benign world that we

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<v Speaker 12>were in nineteen nineties and two thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, and we saw the dangers of reliance on Chinese goods,

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<v Speaker 4>for example, during the COVID pandemic, but in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>pushing up the price of goods, because this will mean

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 4>that imported goods do become more expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know what about the cost pressures and the

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<v Speaker 3>risk of a recession.

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<v Speaker 12>There's clearly risk involved here, and in the short term

0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:03.000
<v Speaker 12>they probably will be increases in prices because the cost

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 12>inputs have gone up. The theory and a practice of

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:10.360
<v Speaker 12>what they're trying to achieve is, yes, imported parts and

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 12>goods will become more expensive for American consumers. But America

0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 12>needs to make sure its energy is a lot cheaper,

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:18.880
<v Speaker 12>and Trump is obviously doing a lot of things to

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<v Speaker 12>achieve that. America needs to deregulate, it needs to change

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 12>the dustrial relations to make it a lot more flexible.

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<v Speaker 12>So these so called supply side reforms, they're very difficult

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<v Speaker 12>to do. I have no idea whether Trump will succeed,

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 12>but if it does those supply side reforms, then he

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 12>may achieve something close to what he's after. If he

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.879
<v Speaker 12>fails in those supply side reforms, then yes, it could

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 12>actually be an economic disaster for the Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>Could be a disaster for US as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Just in two days, fifty billion dollars wiped off the ASX.

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<v Speaker 3>How should Australia be handling this?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, just on the stock market, I mean stock market

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 12>prices in a short term, they're driven more by psychology

0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 12>and it's really fear and greed than it is about fundamentals,

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 12>so we have there.

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<v Speaker 4>Will be real impacts for one hundred thousand workers in

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<v Speaker 4>the steel industry. We don't know the exact figures of

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<v Speaker 4>how many companies will be affected by these tariffs, but

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<v Speaker 4>it will be substantial.

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<v Speaker 12>It will be substantial. But I'm distinguishing that between distinguishing

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 12>between the impact on the steel and amnium ministries, which

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 12>clearly won't be good, and a broader stock market, which

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<v Speaker 12>I think is unnecessarily pairs a mystic at these stage

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<v Speaker 12>because we have no evidence whether it's what the outcome

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<v Speaker 12>is going to be in terms of how we should

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<v Speaker 12>handle it. And I saw parts of your show earlier. Look,

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<v Speaker 12>you know the alban Easy government does have a problem

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:41.279
<v Speaker 12>with the Trump administration. There's a personality problem, which you

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 12>spoke about a few minutes.

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<v Speaker 4>I just might remind you or tell you, is that

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 4>you are close to parts of the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, I do see some people in the Trump White House,

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 12>and yes they are very aware of past comments made.

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.320
<v Speaker 12>But it's not just the personality issues, and that's some

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.240
<v Speaker 12>serious we can't get past that. Just the personality issues.

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<v Speaker 12>I think the alban Ezy government treats the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 12>and Trump himself like he's an idiot, like he's a fool,

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.760
<v Speaker 12>like he's doing self destructive things because he's too stupid.

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 3>No otherwise very patronizing.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, if you treat an American president like that, then

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 12>he's not going to respond where you want. And I

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 12>should say as well that Trump has defined not just

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 12>American politics, but American policy, industrial policy, foreign policy, policy

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 12>towards China views, and globalization. Trump has defined American foreign

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:35.279
<v Speaker 12>policy and domestic policy for the last ten years. Whether

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 12>you agrieve him or not, he's clearly a substantial person.

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 12>He's going to be transformed, if one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 12>So if you're an Australian government, Albanesi or otherwise, you

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.839
<v Speaker 12>really need to understand what is happening in America rather

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 12>than just ridicule what you see.

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<v Speaker 4>And you'd have to think that a lot of Australians

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<v Speaker 4>actually would prefer Trump's foreign policy positions than those taken

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<v Speaker 4>by Pennywang and Alberan Easy on on Israel, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>they seem to have turned our allies into enemies and

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 4>our enemies into allies. Our foreign policy has been far

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 4>more bizarre than the Trump administration.

0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 12>Well, certainly on Israel and Middle East. That has been

0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 12>noticed in the United States. Now even on China, even

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 12>back to the economic argument, I mean, I've heard it

0:37:17.560 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 12>said in the United States and DC this element of

0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:24.800
<v Speaker 12>Australian hypocrisy here because the biggest distorter of the global

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 12>economy in the world is China. Australia does not say

0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.680
<v Speaker 12>a word against China because Australia benefits from Chinese overproduction

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 12>Chinese obsidization. So Austraia has never said a word against

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:40.320
<v Speaker 12>Chinese policies, but Sunny rails against Trump's terrst. So that

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 12>has been noticed.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, John Lee from the Hudson Institute, appreciate your time,

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 4>Now still to come, why Chris Bowen is running away

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 4>from a debate on energy policy and his own record.

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 4>Plus Christians persecuted in Syria, yet silence from the global community.

0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:02.279
<v Speaker 3>Michael Souka would join me next. Welcome back.

0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.800
<v Speaker 4>Well now to the horrific scenes in Syria where thousands

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 4>of civilians, including Christian minority groups and Alowites have been murdered.

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<v Speaker 4>Women and children among those executed on the streets, with

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<v Speaker 4>graphic footage showing bodies on the side of the Road,

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<v Speaker 4>the Islamist group Hayat Taria al Sham and the interim

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 4>i Met al Shara governments militant forces are responsible for

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 4>this murder. Yet despite the tragedy of both Alowites and

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 4>Christian minorities being killed, the world has been strangely silent.

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:43.320
<v Speaker 4>No mass protests, no United Nations condemnations. Social media isn't

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<v Speaker 4>in uproar. It seems if it doesn't involve Israel, the

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<v Speaker 4>world isn't interested. We're joining me now to discuss shadow housing,

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<v Speaker 4>Minister Michael Suka.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael, great to see you again.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, these are horrifying images that are being horrifying crimes, murder,

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<v Speaker 4>slaughter that's been committed against Christian minorities following the overthrow

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<v Speaker 4>of the Asade regime.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you make of this in the world's silence.

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<v Speaker 7>On it, Well, it sickens me, to be perfectly Frank Shari,

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<v Speaker 7>because we've seen elevated interest on the Middle East, particularly

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<v Speaker 7>from the United Nations, particularly from the sort of radical

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:28.040
<v Speaker 7>global left movement, and yet here we have an example

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<v Speaker 7>of a jihadi militia which has now taken control of

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<v Speaker 7>Syria in HTS. As you rightly point out, massacrering minorities

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<v Speaker 7>in Syria, whether they be Christians, whether they be Alohites,

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<v Speaker 7>and a range of other minorities. And we hear nothing.

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<v Speaker 7>And not only do we hear nothing from the United Nations,

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<v Speaker 7>again presumably because it doesn't involve Israel. No one has

0:39:55.840 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 7>called out the fact that Turkey has funded, has has

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:05.919
<v Speaker 7>supported HTS, so they are fully backed by Turkey. They're

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<v Speaker 7>now running right and massacring people. And to add insult

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<v Speaker 7>to injury, we have the European Commission has invited the

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<v Speaker 7>HTS regime to Brussels.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's that's insane.

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<v Speaker 7>It sickens me. We have Christians in the Middle East

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<v Speaker 7>when even there's conflict. Christians are the ones who suffer

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<v Speaker 7>from these jihadi movements throughout the Middle East. And we

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<v Speaker 7>do not hear a peep from the United Nations, and

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<v Speaker 7>we do not hear a peep from the global left,

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<v Speaker 7>presumably because they can't beat up on Israel, so they're

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<v Speaker 7>not interested.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're one hundred percent right.

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<v Speaker 4>Sadly, because we know the figures, there are a disproportionate

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<v Speaker 4>number of resolutions at the United Nations and human rights

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<v Speaker 4>groups related to the United Nations against Israel, but silence.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, you think of the tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 4>of people who came out into the streets to protest

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 4>before Israel had even lifted a finger to respond to

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 4>October seven. And yet where are the protests now? Why

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't the world care about this? Why doesn't the world

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<v Speaker 4>care about Christians being killed? It's devastating, Michael, to turn

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<v Speaker 4>to your shadow portfolio.

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<v Speaker 3>Your area of housing.

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<v Speaker 4>Now this was quite interesting because a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 4>the nine newspapers reported that the Albanese government had built

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<v Speaker 4>three hundred and forty houses under their Housing Australia Future Fund.

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<v Speaker 4>But it was then revealed at Senate estimates under questioning

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<v Speaker 4>by the Coalition that in fact, none of those homes

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<v Speaker 4>had been built, they'd just been acquired and converted. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>I was quite surprised to see that ABC's Media Watch

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<v Speaker 4>criticized this.

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<v Speaker 7>Have a look figures from the fund to be released

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<v Speaker 7>today will show three hundred and fifty eight homes have

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<v Speaker 7>been completed.

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<v Speaker 10>At a centate estimates. Hearing that day, nine scoop took

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<v Speaker 10>center stage.

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<v Speaker 9>Apparently, according to the Sydney Morning held in the Age today,

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<v Speaker 9>the Housing Straphage trainers now built three hundred houses.

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<v Speaker 8>Three hundred and forty homes are complete and as these

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 8>have been quite and conversion into social and affordable housing.

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<v Speaker 9>Acquired and converted?

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<v Speaker 10>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 3>And it went on.

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<v Speaker 4>Now this is quite a different approach from the new

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<v Speaker 4>host of Media Watch, Lent and Besser. But Michael, you

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<v Speaker 4>know this is quite appalling that this was a key

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 4>Labor campaign pledge to build more housing for Australians, yet

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<v Speaker 4>it seems no houses have been built.

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<v Speaker 7>Well sharing to be frank, after three is of being

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<v Speaker 7>in government, you'd think that a government would be to

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<v Speaker 7>embarrassed to loudly proclaim on the front page of the

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<v Speaker 7>Age and the City Morning Held even that they'd built

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<v Speaker 7>the grand sum of three hundred homes. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 7>think that would be embarrassing enough. But we were able

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<v Speaker 7>to unveil in senate estimates. We didn't very short time.

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.800
<v Speaker 7>I made at it didn't take much digging that. Actually,

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<v Speaker 7>after nearly three years of this Albanesi government, not one

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:10.520
<v Speaker 7>home has been built as a result of a Labor

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:15.400
<v Speaker 7>government policy. Not one single home that directly relates to

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 7>a policy that they've put in place. Media Watch called

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 7>it out. I mean it's you know, Australians who have

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<v Speaker 7>any have any sense of the housing market, know that

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<v Speaker 7>on every single metric, whether it's new home starts, new

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<v Speaker 7>home completions, how difficult it is to get into a

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<v Speaker 7>first time, the costs for enters. That on every single metric,

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<v Speaker 7>housing has got catastrophically backwards in this country. And whilst

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:46.960
<v Speaker 7>labor's delivering no homes and Australia is building fewer homes

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 7>than we have for a very long time, they decide

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<v Speaker 7>to ramp up migration to absolute record levels, bringing in

0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:58.759
<v Speaker 7>five hundred thousand people per year, with absolutely no idea

0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:02.160
<v Speaker 7>where those people are going to. So it completely unraveled

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 7>for them over the last couple of weeks. But I

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<v Speaker 7>suspect it's not a huge surprise to austrain So I

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<v Speaker 7>think I've already marked this government down as having been

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<v Speaker 7>a disaster for housing in this country.

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<v Speaker 4>Just quickly, because we've got to go. But this is

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<v Speaker 4>a multi billion dollar fund, yes, this housing fund.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, it's a so called ten billion dollar fund that's

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<v Speaker 7>delivered zero hut no houses.

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<v Speaker 4>Insane all right, Michael Sioka, thank you very much for

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 4>your time. Now still to calm Chris Bowen in hiding

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.960
<v Speaker 4>over his record on energy. Teto Brian will join me

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 4>next to reveal why.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome Backward.

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<v Speaker 4>Just under an hour ago, two hundred and fifty Pot

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 4>Stevens locals sat down to Well. They wanted to watch

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<v Speaker 4>Climate change Minister Chris Bowen and his shutow counterpart Ted

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 4>O'Brien debate energy.

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<v Speaker 3>It had all the hallmarks of a great.

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<v Speaker 4>Discussion, probably fiery, except Chris Bowen didn't turn He declined

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:05.279
<v Speaker 4>the event despite Ted O'Brien repeatedly inviting him. And let's

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 4>bring you now the Shadow Minister for Rategy Tetobrian. Ted,

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<v Speaker 4>So have you debated Chris Bowen before and why didn't

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 4>he turn up to this debate?

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<v Speaker 3>What was the reason he gave you? Shari?

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<v Speaker 1>Great to be with you tonight. I have debated Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Bowen before, but he will only appear on the ABC

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:30.280
<v Speaker 1>or a debate that is streamed on the ABC, basically

0:45:30.800 --> 0:45:34.400
<v Speaker 1>where he feels most comfortable. I wrote to him well

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 1>over one hundred days ago saying I'm very happy to

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 1>debate you on the seven thirty report dunk tick, but

0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:44.839
<v Speaker 1>I also want to debate you on Sky. But most importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go to regional Australia. It's regional Australia

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 1>which are not only paying exorbitant prices for electricity, but

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 1>they're the ones we will be relying on, whether it

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.720
<v Speaker 1>be labor or whether it be the Coalition, to basically

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 1>guarantee Australia's security moving forward. And what I put to

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Bowen was let's go to your state.

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<v Speaker 11>First.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's have a debate in Port Stephens because they want

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:12.359
<v Speaker 1>to talk about offshore wind Labour's program. And then let's

0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 1>have a debate in Muscle Brook so we can talk

0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>about the coalition's nuclear plan. You know, I can't get

0:46:20.040 --> 0:46:22.760
<v Speaker 1>him out of the Canberra bubble or an ABC studio.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what more of social media other social

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.719
<v Speaker 4>media accounts now one of the major that's right, The

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<v Speaker 4>major issues that could change votes, particularly in regional areas

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:39.880
<v Speaker 4>are offshore wind farms. What sort of commitment are you

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 4>looking for and would you reverse the current wind farms

0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:45.880
<v Speaker 4>if you win the election?

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<v Speaker 1>Shari here in Port Stephens, this community, we heard it

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<v Speaker 1>again tonight has been steamrolled by the Albanese government when

0:46:57.280 --> 0:47:00.840
<v Speaker 1>it comes to offshore wind. We have been very clear

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>under Peter Dutton's leadership once and if we win government,

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:10.520
<v Speaker 1>we will scrap this offshore wind zone. So in the

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.839
<v Speaker 1>event of a coalition government, there will not be win

0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:18.719
<v Speaker 1>farms offshore here across from Port Stephens. So that is

0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 1>our commitment. It's black and white, very clear. You know,

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>we had Lawrence Antcliff tonight, the Liberal candidate here in Patterson.

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<v Speaker 1>When people here locally vote for him, they are voting

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<v Speaker 1>for a coalition government which will scrap this offshore win zone.

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<v Speaker 3>Period ted them.

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<v Speaker 4>If Chris Bowen was there tonight, and he wasn't, but

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:42.919
<v Speaker 4>if he was, he probably would have pressured you over

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<v Speaker 4>the costings of your nuclear policy.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you going to release more information on that?

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<v Speaker 1>I so wish he was, and I so wish we

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>could have a conversation about the economics of his plan

0:47:57.160 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 1>versus the coalition's plan, especially amidst a living crisis where

0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:01.879
<v Speaker 1>people are hurting.

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 3>Our plan is.

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Forty four percent cheaper. Now, the work done there independently

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:10.399
<v Speaker 1>by frontier economics. Labor has not been out of land

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 1>of glove to criticize that modeling because they know very

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 1>well it's accurate.

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<v Speaker 11>That's that's it.

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<v Speaker 9>What was that?

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<v Speaker 3>What's the total details about the assumptions. So what was

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<v Speaker 3>the total cost under that modeling.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the nuclear plan or of our overall plan, our

0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:32.399
<v Speaker 1>nuclear plan capital costs will be up to one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty billion dollars. Now when you hear Shahi, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, we heard this from the Prime Minister, the Treasurer,

0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the Energy minister, they will multiply that by five an

0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 1>outright lie. It is up to one hundred and twenty

0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:49.719
<v Speaker 1>billion dollars capital cost They times are by five five,

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:53.200
<v Speaker 1>because that's what they do. They are related to.

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<v Speaker 4>People quickly ask you about this quite shocking story that

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<v Speaker 4>Victoria is reportedly to the Australia and considering importing gas

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<v Speaker 4>when Australia has so much supply.

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<v Speaker 1>Schari, have you ever heard of a bigger policy failure

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:15.200
<v Speaker 1>in energy than that? I mean, labor has basically suffocated

0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.240
<v Speaker 1>the supply of gas. And the energy ministers are getting

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<v Speaker 1>together this Friday and under Chris Bowen's leadership at the

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 1>behest of Victoria Labor they want to import gas. Here

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 1>we are as a country blessed with abundance of gas,

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<v Speaker 1>and Labour's solution is not to improve approval processes, not

0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:35.360
<v Speaker 1>to add gas to the Capacity Investment scheme not to

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:39.280
<v Speaker 1>improve infrastructure for gas, but to import gas from other countries.

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<v Speaker 1>It speaks volumes about failed policy. It'll only lead to

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<v Speaker 1>higher prices forever.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it seems completely ridiculous when we have so much supply.

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<v Speaker 4>Tet O Brain, appreciate your time. Thank you very much,

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<v Speaker 4>and thank you everyone for your company tonight. I'll see

0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 4>you tomorrow at eight pm. And right now, here's poor Murray,

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<v Speaker 4>a man case