1
00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,400
Speaker 1: After a week of debates, the tribunal sits in judgment

2
00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,360
Speaker 1: of the Stephen May collision. As the football world watches.

3
00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,799
Speaker 2: On, has Carlton looked to rise to the emotion Tomorrow night.

4
00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,480
Speaker 2: Charlie Kerno's future is a source of injurgue and.

5
00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,919
Speaker 1: The pressure of life on top. John Longmei reflects on

6
00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,720
Speaker 1: the challenge of trying to lead all the way we've

7
00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,760
Speaker 1: talked about is this step into it, embrace all of.

8
00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,200
Speaker 3: It in the room and eat it.

9
00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,720
Speaker 1: It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that.

10
00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,879
Speaker 2: They're on the side of Courtia with the brain, take.

11
00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:33,400
Speaker 3: The man on it.

12
00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,440
Speaker 1: They played the best footy I've ever seen at the

13
00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,479
Speaker 1: start of the season, and injury, said president left. The

14
00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,000
Speaker 1: couple older said, of course they do.

15
00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,080
Speaker 3: It is the stuff that legends are made of. What

16
00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,080
Speaker 3: is holding the ball?

17
00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,000
Speaker 4: I don't think I could answer it clearly right now

18
00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,760
Speaker 4: that I could do something wrong, you know, And I

19
00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,360
Speaker 4: need to get and the board sets meet.

20
00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,840
Speaker 5: The fans love it and with no fans no through

21
00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,600
Speaker 5: sixty year old.

22
00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,200
Speaker 1: One of those odd week scas where we're still dealing

23
00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,959
Speaker 1: with events. The previous round is the next hurdles into

24
00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:05,759
Speaker 1: sights I know.

25
00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,000
Speaker 2: The tribunal case has that all in raptures over the

26
00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,880
Speaker 2: past three days is currently in progress, so we'll find

27
00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:13,640
Speaker 2: out shortly in.

28
00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,920
Speaker 1: GIF to details they're deliberating now. It's been a really

29
00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,600
Speaker 1: interesting case. Can I just indulge me for a flood,

30
00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,440
Speaker 1: Let's say at the sometimes we put up the next

31
00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,560
Speaker 1: round and we just marvel at how good it's going

32
00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,600
Speaker 1: to be. Can I just put this up? At how

33
00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,880
Speaker 1: odd the scheduling and inconsistent with the patterns of the season.

34
00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,319
Speaker 1: This is so as a starting point. The addiction to

35
00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,880
Speaker 1: Carlton and Essendon in primetime is laid clear. But the

36
00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,840
Speaker 1: insults to the Giants and the Swans of putting the

37
00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,640
Speaker 1: Sydney Derby tucked underneath it's seven point fifty out at

38
00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,560
Speaker 1: home Bush. It's just a no help whatsoever. The Q

39
00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,840
Speaker 1: Clash Gold Coast have just played their biggest home game

40
00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,440
Speaker 1: against Collingwood. How do you build momentum? How about the

41
00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,520
Speaker 1: most important Q Clash ever, We'll give you the really

42
00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,680
Speaker 1: strange one twenty Saturday afternoon, as if trying to thwart

43
00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,480
Speaker 1: a huge crowd. It's just playing weird that the Derby

44
00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,720
Speaker 1: is in the Saturday twilight slot. Two point fifteen over

45
00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:10,920
Speaker 1: in the West and it's disrespecting the showdown to have

46
00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,639
Speaker 1: placed it where it is underneath an all Victorian clash

47
00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,040
Speaker 1: when it can carry so much. But the piece to

48
00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,079
Speaker 1: resistance says what they have done on Sunday. There are

49
00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,840
Speaker 1: only two games. They are both in Melbourne at venues nearby.

50
00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,040
Speaker 1: We haven't been able to find clear air. The only

51
00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,600
Speaker 1: start time of two ten for the year is Richmond

52
00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,079
Speaker 1: and Collingwood, and then we're going to start since Kildoon

53
00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,400
Speaker 1: and Melbourne right there, just to make sure they're covered

54
00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,520
Speaker 1: right over. If your kids brought you this fixture, you

55
00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,280
Speaker 1: would send them back to their room and say start again.

56
00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:42,560
Speaker 3: Sack them all.

57
00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,120
Speaker 2: Jared did that famous saying if yours out from gather around,

58
00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,640
Speaker 2: that's patently ridiculous. There's a lot of things there that

59
00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,040
Speaker 2: the Sunday situation is just mind blowing. So you've got

60
00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,120
Speaker 2: that off your chest, let me lift you up, all right.

61
00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,480
Speaker 2: We will also celebrate twenty five years of the Dockland

62
00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,040
Speaker 2: Stadium this weekend, which the AFL. That's one of their

63
00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,320
Speaker 2: prize assets. Of course, it's lived through some controversy and

64
00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,960
Speaker 2: some highlights. James Hurd's goal when he hud the crowd.

65
00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,120
Speaker 2: These will spring them mind straight away. Jason McCartney's return

66
00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,760
Speaker 2: and retirement after kicking one of the win last goals

67
00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:15,119
Speaker 2: of the game.

68
00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,000
Speaker 3: I did that match. It was unbelievable.

69
00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,480
Speaker 2: He had Kerry and coming back to the Kangaroos and

70
00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,240
Speaker 2: the Adelaide Crows. He had Hatchie Colin at Death Valley

71
00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,760
Speaker 2: getting suspended. But nothing, nothing compares to one of the

72
00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,760
Speaker 2: highlights of the twenty five years of the dock Hands.

73
00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,160
Speaker 3: It's not the Jerry Springer show. It's the Jerry Whiteley show.

74
00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,400
Speaker 4: We're about to be thrown off here if you can

75
00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,280
Speaker 4: believe his shquarters. The two issues which have been resolved

76
00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,280
Speaker 4: here today are the best seats in the house will

77
00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:47,680
Speaker 4: now be sold first by ticket master and Kilda will

78
00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,240
Speaker 4: be asked.

79
00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,080
Speaker 2: Well, this plays itself out, what are you doing and

80
00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:52,880
Speaker 2: what's going on?

81
00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,160
Speaker 1: So these are their first weeks of colonial statum when

82
00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,720
Speaker 1: they couldn't get anybody in, so Ian Collins called a

83
00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,280
Speaker 1: summer to solve the ticket issues, and then I got

84
00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,880
Speaker 1: thrown out. It had been going all day. We had

85
00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,720
Speaker 1: been counted there as a media following the events. What

86
00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:11,080
Speaker 1: acoustic you want keep going? I always thought with that

87
00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,760
Speaker 1: security guard that we would look back and laugh at it.

88
00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,520
Speaker 1: Twenty five years I came across him at the Olympic

89
00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,000
Speaker 1: soccer when it was in Melbourne.

90
00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:20,800
Speaker 3: We didn't have a laugh.

91
00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,920
Speaker 1: He didn't see the funny he was.

92
00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,960
Speaker 3: He was highlighted on the channel ten years. You cut

93
00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:27,599
Speaker 3: a fine figure.

94
00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,760
Speaker 1: I was going to mention, all right, here's all. We've

95
00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,279
Speaker 1: got John Longmye and Adam Simpson our favorite pairing on

96
00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,599
Speaker 1: three point sixty, Simon Goodwin from training at the des

97
00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,200
Speaker 1: and we'll be at the tribunal in a moment with

98
00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,760
Speaker 1: David Zita. And then to set you up around twenty properly,

99
00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,400
Speaker 1: first Crack preview, Ben Dixon is with Lee Montagne and

100
00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,359
Speaker 1: David King. D Day for Ossie Broadband. Who's a D

101
00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:52,760
Speaker 1: day for?

102
00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,359
Speaker 3: It could go a lot of ways.

103
00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,640
Speaker 2: I just think it's really important that the Sons get

104
00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,720
Speaker 2: back on the horse here. As you mentioned, there were

105
00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,200
Speaker 2: fixture situation they've had coming off their best result and

106
00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,880
Speaker 2: then went to Adelaide and we're humiliated in the fashion

107
00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,040
Speaker 2: you don't want to be six weeks out from potentially

108
00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,599
Speaker 2: your first ever appearance in a final series.

109
00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,960
Speaker 3: They've lost Dan Reali, the.

110
00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,520
Speaker 2: On field man who's supposed to implement his plan that

111
00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,359
Speaker 2: he's bought with in from Richmond. No one knows it

112
00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,960
Speaker 2: better than Dan, really, DANIELI no longer their twok Mila

113
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,920
Speaker 2: their captain or former captain. Another no longer their plan

114
00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,800
Speaker 2: against Queensland. I don't even think they have to win this,

115
00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,920
Speaker 2: but they've got to get back to something that resembles

116
00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,840
Speaker 2: the sort of form that has us all thinking they

117
00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:31,839
Speaker 2: can play finals footy.

118
00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,400
Speaker 1: Little by the big brother syndrome they've never quite been

119
00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,000
Speaker 1: able to shake in this relationship.

120
00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,560
Speaker 3: Punch a little one on the nose on the way

121
00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:38,240
Speaker 3: back would be good.

122
00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,919
Speaker 1: Where you go, I'll go to the Giants. There's six,

123
00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,360
Speaker 1: they're twelve and six. There's a view that they could

124
00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,839
Speaker 1: really come storming through. For a while they had a

125
00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,920
Speaker 1: really good record against Sydney, but that's not the case

126
00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,679
Speaker 1: in recent times. They've lost the past five Sydney Derby's.

127
00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,200
Speaker 1: In fact, they've only won one of the previous eight

128
00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,400
Speaker 1: and that was by one point in twenty twenty three.

129
00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,400
Speaker 1: So Sydney have a hold of them at the moment.

130
00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,159
Speaker 1: There was that magnificent qualifying final where they got run

131
00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,320
Speaker 1: down from the big margin. So qualifying is the high

132
00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,880
Speaker 1: bar here and to find safety, you've got to get

133
00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,880
Speaker 1: to fifteen wins. So I do think the giants that've

134
00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,120
Speaker 1: got the motivation to finish Sydney off Sydney have to

135
00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,279
Speaker 1: be perfect, and then a whole lot has to happen.

136
00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,960
Speaker 1: Is finished, the crosstown rival off, get back to work

137
00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,800
Speaker 1: here and rise because their footy looks like it could

138
00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:24,680
Speaker 1: really stack up.

139
00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,039
Speaker 3: I've got a lot of pieces.

140
00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,000
Speaker 2: I liked Toby Green last night and we asked him

141
00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,680
Speaker 2: about it and he said, here, we're ramps. It's got

142
00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,520
Speaker 2: me a couple of times when you got that mentality

143
00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,720
Speaker 2: you go on hunting.

144
00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,880
Speaker 3: So that'd be good. I'll look forward to that eventually,

145
00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:37,719
Speaker 3: when I get to see.

146
00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,280
Speaker 1: It all right top of the agenda. The debate has

147
00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,080
Speaker 1: been raging since Saturday night, from the moment that Stephen

148
00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,360
Speaker 1: May ran into Francis Evans and left him bloody and

149
00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,159
Speaker 1: cancust Is this a careless action that fails the duty

150
00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,919
Speaker 1: of care or is it an unavoidable collision where accidents

151
00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,919
Speaker 1: can still happen in a contact sport. He looked like

152
00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:59,920
Speaker 1: he had to play on the ball.

153
00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,360
Speaker 6: He picked him off.

154
00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,000
Speaker 3: I would argue that he absolutely thought he had a

155
00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:04,400
Speaker 3: play the.

156
00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,040
Speaker 7: Book to be fair, if I'm being really honest and

157
00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,760
Speaker 7: both sort of making a play at the ball, maybe

158
00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,360
Speaker 7: one person was one step late.

159
00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:23,320
Speaker 1: Do you get.

160
00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:22,920
Speaker 4: That was a huge hit.

161
00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,120
Speaker 3: If I were the MRO, I wouldn't have put it

162
00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,400
Speaker 3: up at.

163
00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,880
Speaker 2: All, no football accent.

164
00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,360
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. It's a decision that's made it blood at

165
00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,000
Speaker 3: the very last second. So I'm not sure what else

166
00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:38,520
Speaker 3: he could have done.

167
00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,640
Speaker 6: I don't know whether our game is capable of allowing

168
00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,920
Speaker 6: that anymore. I don't think he was trying to hurt him,

169
00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,960
Speaker 6: so I think intent should be taking into account with

170
00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,280
Speaker 6: the MRO more than outcome.

171
00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,360
Speaker 3: He knew exactly what he was doing and he picked

172
00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,640
Speaker 3: him off. This is from a gone here.

173
00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,080
Speaker 6: There's going to be those incidents three or four a

174
00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,080
Speaker 6: year for the rest of time. That's the way the

175
00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:07,560
Speaker 6: game is.

176
00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,720
Speaker 1: It is both a test case and the case that

177
00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,240
Speaker 1: needed to be tested. All the evidence has been heard.

178
00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,680
Speaker 1: David Zena has sat through a David welcome ered Gary. Hello,

179
00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:20,680
Speaker 1: how has it gone?

180
00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,280
Speaker 5: Yes, So they are deliberating currently. Hopefully we have the

181
00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,200
Speaker 5: verdict for you soon. It is either three games or zero.

182
00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,640
Speaker 5: The AFL wants three. That d say this is not

183
00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,040
Speaker 5: rough conduct. Now, interestingly, the afl arguing this is rough

184
00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,040
Speaker 5: conduct rather than rough conduct high bumps, so they are

185
00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,040
Speaker 5: conceding this isn't a bump. They still say it's rough conduct.

186
00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,800
Speaker 5: So Stephen May gave evidence. He thanked the tribunal for

187
00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,000
Speaker 5: pushing it to Wednesday as he recovers from concussion. He

188
00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,360
Speaker 5: said he intended to win this ball with Frantis Evans,

189
00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,240
Speaker 5: and he intended to win it until the very final moment.

190
00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,640
Speaker 5: The bounce is what surprised him near the end. That

191
00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,400
Speaker 5: final bounce before the ball goes back to Evans is

192
00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,360
Speaker 5: what May wasn't expecting. And he even notes that his

193
00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,959
Speaker 5: arms are out stretched straight after the incident. You can

194
00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,400
Speaker 5: see here if you keep your eyes peeled. His arms

195
00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,160
Speaker 5: come out afterwards because he's just shocked that he didn't

196
00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,120
Speaker 5: get the ball. He says, I just can't believe I

197
00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,120
Speaker 5: didn't take possession. I thought I did everything right, So

198
00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,840
Speaker 5: I'm just a bit shocked. So his evidence went for

199
00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,280
Speaker 5: twenty or so minutes. Adrian Anderson is representing the d's.

200
00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,760
Speaker 5: He always comes prepared with reasons. He had nine of

201
00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,520
Speaker 5: them as to why this wasn't rough conduct. Just bear

202
00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,080
Speaker 5: with me for a moment, So his first was that

203
00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,360
Speaker 5: May was contesting the ball. He's second legitimately expected to

204
00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,360
Speaker 5: get to the ball first.

205
00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:32,680
Speaker 3: Third, both were.

206
00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,880
Speaker 5: Traveling at pace and was reasonable for both of them

207
00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,520
Speaker 5: to do so. Fourth, the unexpected bounce of the ball. Fifth,

208
00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,760
Speaker 5: he realizes Evans is there, but by that point it's

209
00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,800
Speaker 5: too late to change tact. Sixth, he doesn't move off

210
00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,360
Speaker 5: his line. Seventh, doesn't tuck in his elbow or rotate,

211
00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,280
Speaker 5: doesn't jump off the ground in what would be a

212
00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,240
Speaker 5: bumping motion. Eighth he attempts to slow at the end,

213
00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,760
Speaker 5: even though it was too late. And ninth May is

214
00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,360
Speaker 5: significantly taller than Evans. The AFL didn't spend as much

215
00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,760
Speaker 5: time going through there. They say that May new Evans

216
00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,240
Speaker 5: was going to get his hands to the ball from

217
00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,520
Speaker 5: a few steps out, so he already knew what was

218
00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,880
Speaker 5: going to take place. They say his conduct was a

219
00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,080
Speaker 5: breach of the duty of care he was owed. He

220
00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,000
Speaker 5: should have understood that the ball can bounce unpredictably, and ultimately,

221
00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,160
Speaker 5: they say he should have changed his momentum or trajectory.

222
00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:18,959
Speaker 5: So we've had to buy a mechanist. We've had a

223
00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,719
Speaker 5: text exchange mentioned all the tributal hallmarks. But ultimately this

224
00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,640
Speaker 5: case coming down to what the AFL thinks is reasonable

225
00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,160
Speaker 5: in the circumstances, the tributal rather and they've just gone

226
00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,760
Speaker 5: to deliberate as of about fifteen minutes ago.

227
00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,920
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be back with you shortly, David, once

228
00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,880
Speaker 1: you've got a verdict. So what do you hear? There

229
00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:35,640
Speaker 1: no bump?

230
00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:36,680
Speaker 3: Heared troll it out.

231
00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:37,800
Speaker 1: What are they saying.

232
00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,760
Speaker 2: They're saying he didn't bump in? So what was he doing?

233
00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,280
Speaker 2: He's trying to win the footy, wasn't he. It's a

234
00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,959
Speaker 2: weak case, they say, And then they mentioned the unpredictable bounce.

235
00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:46,480
Speaker 3: That's right.

236
00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,959
Speaker 2: It can bounce anyway, can bounce left, right up, or

237
00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,280
Speaker 2: just stay on the ground. No reasonable If a reasonable

238
00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,240
Speaker 2: player could tell you which way the ball's going to bounce,

239
00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,680
Speaker 2: it wins six brown. Yes, So anyway, it does seem

240
00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,160
Speaker 2: a bit weak to me. But you're not the expert

241
00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:01,440
Speaker 2: you are.

242
00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to pin down exactly what Stephen May did wrong,

243
00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,240
Speaker 1: and I think that's what the prosecution has struggled with.

244
00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,680
Speaker 1: So the concession that there's no bump, but he should

245
00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,880
Speaker 1: have changed his momentum and trajectory. The idea that a

246
00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,760
Speaker 1: reasonable player knows the ball is going to bounce weirdly. Well,

247
00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:16,319
Speaker 1: that's of no.

248
00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,960
Speaker 3: Help to the nonsense, but that part of it isn't.

249
00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,160
Speaker 1: So I think they've struggled to make their case, and

250
00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,800
Speaker 1: Stephen May is perfectly reasonable in the way that he

251
00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,599
Speaker 1: explained he thought he was going to get to the

252
00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,960
Speaker 1: ball first, and the way the ball was bouncing gave

253
00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,800
Speaker 1: him faith in that, and then it bounced in an

254
00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:34,720
Speaker 1: unexpected manner.

255
00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it sounds like that've done a good job.

256
00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,640
Speaker 2: And I don't think the AFL it doesn't sound anyhow.

257
00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,720
Speaker 2: You're you and David at the experts in this. It

258
00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,720
Speaker 2: doesn't sound to me like the prosecuted it enormously well.

259
00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,520
Speaker 2: So there would be some hope from a Melbourn pudding.

260
00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I'm open to being surprised with these things,

261
00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,800
Speaker 1: but I would be severely surprised if the AFL's case

262
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,400
Speaker 1: was successful, and it would be open to appeal on

263
00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,280
Speaker 1: any number of fronts if they came up with a

264
00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,200
Speaker 1: guilty short it. So we'll wait to see tomorrow night

265
00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,720
Speaker 1: the round gets underway at the MCG. It has been

266
00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,480
Speaker 1: enhanced as a spectacle by the emotion that Carlton will

267
00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,040
Speaker 1: feel Jacob Weeder in in Game two hundred and his

268
00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,960
Speaker 1: close friend Sam Dockerty in the Navy Blue for the

269
00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,880
Speaker 1: last time. He's been a significant person.

270
00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,400
Speaker 7: You know, his counselor is always he is always sought

271
00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,920
Speaker 7: when you know we're trying to do things and to

272
00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,800
Speaker 7: get get his thoughts on things. He's been a really

273
00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,880
Speaker 7: important mentor to our leadership group and just to bring

274
00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,520
Speaker 7: a different perspective who's a deep thinker about the game,

275
00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,000
Speaker 7: doc and he's very passionate about.

276
00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:35,480
Speaker 1: His football club.

277
00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,320
Speaker 7: So you know, we're hoping that clearly we go out

278
00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,760
Speaker 7: tomorrow and you know we can do justice to that.

279
00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,760
Speaker 6: Been dealt the Cards of the Villain for this one.

280
00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,280
Speaker 6: He's obviously just a fantastic story. I think it's inspiration

281
00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,360
Speaker 6: for and I think the thing about Sam is it's

282
00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,719
Speaker 6: beyond sport, you know. So he's got the three new

283
00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,200
Speaker 6: reconstructions and come back from that and you know, still

284
00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,120
Speaker 6: been an Austraine type player, but then obviously he's cancer

285
00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,800
Speaker 6: treatments and coming back from that means it transcends sport.

286
00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,079
Speaker 6: And it's such an inspirational person that he's been. And

287
00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,720
Speaker 6: other than the two hours that were on the field.

288
00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:12,360
Speaker 1: We'll certainly be.

289
00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,720
Speaker 6: Trying to ruin his party tomorrow night, but after that,

290
00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,920
Speaker 6: certainly think he's one of the players of this season

291
00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,600
Speaker 6: that needs to be celebrated.

292
00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,800
Speaker 1: In late July, when you've been out of business for

293
00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,640
Speaker 1: a while, you're clutching for a purpose, for a cause

294
00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,920
Speaker 1: or Carlton have been delivered that tomorrow night. I wonder

295
00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,320
Speaker 1: if they're able to honor us.

296
00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure they will, but it only lasts

297
00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,679
Speaker 2: for a period of time, and then throughout moments in

298
00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,640
Speaker 2: the game when Sam's involved, we'd all love to see

299
00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,400
Speaker 2: him kick a goal, or there was a moment in

300
00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,280
Speaker 2: the game last week where he went back really hard

301
00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,880
Speaker 2: and was involved in just an intercept. I mean, all

302
00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,160
Speaker 2: those things are going to mean a lot, and the

303
00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,559
Speaker 2: ones that are really close to him we're doing encrypts

304
00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,920
Speaker 2: will be feeling it pretty heavily and you can harness

305
00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,920
Speaker 2: that in whatever way you want, but you know, and

306
00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,200
Speaker 2: then you just go dispassionately to look at it. They

307
00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,520
Speaker 2: look better as a side with Akers and McKai coming

308
00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,520
Speaker 2: back in, Evan's out and young of course to Hawthorne,

309
00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,319
Speaker 2: because Sam Day comes back in as highly rated, Will

310
00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,600
Speaker 2: Day as highly rated as any youngster coming through, So

311
00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,400
Speaker 2: I think it makes it a more interesting context. Yeah,

312
00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,120
Speaker 2: is that no question about that.

313
00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,200
Speaker 1: So Will Day's returner, as you asked Sam about, this

314
00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,439
Speaker 1: is no VFL for him. Hasn't played since round three.

315
00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,720
Speaker 1: I remember Will told us that he was trying to

316
00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,440
Speaker 1: get back with a handful to go, and he has

317
00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,800
Speaker 1: this five to go, the stress fracturing them, the viculus

318
00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,720
Speaker 1: and the shutter through everybody, but here he is. That

319
00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,800
Speaker 1: what an addition he is right now for the run

320
00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:32,480
Speaker 1: in for them.

321
00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,560
Speaker 2: He is to Hawthorne what Hayden Young is to Freeman.

322
00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,680
Speaker 2: And I was really interested in the way that Freeman

323
00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,440
Speaker 2: had brought Hayden Young back into the side. They brought

324
00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,520
Speaker 2: him back as the Sun, which surprised a lot of us,

325
00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,680
Speaker 2: and I wonder what they'll do with Will Day.

326
00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:45,520
Speaker 3: So Hayden Young.

327
00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,200
Speaker 2: Sat for the first half just in his tracksuit, do

328
00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,160
Speaker 2: I say, Sam again, Will Day? And then halfway through

329
00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,960
Speaker 2: the third quarter he's activated and was just devastating eleven

330
00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,400
Speaker 2: touches and was involved in their big play. So it's

331
00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,120
Speaker 2: interesting to see how they bring him back. I mean,

332
00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,880
Speaker 2: they will take risks. So he's obviously clearly ready to

333
00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,360
Speaker 2: go and he makes them better, Jared, he makes this

334
00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,200
Speaker 2: is important for Hawthorne. I've just slid under the radar

335
00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,840
Speaker 2: a little bit the last month and a half. I

336
00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,240
Speaker 2: reckon they just getting wins without making a big noise.

337
00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,000
Speaker 2: Bill Dave makes a big noise.

338
00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:13,200
Speaker 3: When he comes.

339
00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,800
Speaker 1: So just thinking back to the way his season started

340
00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,880
Speaker 1: opening around at the SCG, we were there and then

341
00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,200
Speaker 1: he was the decisive figure against the Giants in long system.

342
00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,000
Speaker 1: He looked every inch their best.

343
00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,000
Speaker 2: Player, he looked all Australian quality, and that's what they'd

344
00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,200
Speaker 2: always hoped he'd be and it would appear what we

345
00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,920
Speaker 2: learn and from talking to him, he's a really integral

346
00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,960
Speaker 2: part of their leadership group. Seems to takes great responsibility

347
00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,880
Speaker 2: for what happens with the team on and off the field.

348
00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,560
Speaker 2: So that's an added bonus coming back into that side.

349
00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,200
Speaker 2: So it makes for a really interesting night now tomorrow

350
00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,120
Speaker 2: night and Foxwood you'll do a magnificent job, whether they

351
00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:46,640
Speaker 2: always do.

352
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,400
Speaker 1: The added layer of intrigue around Carlton centers on Charlie Kerno.

353
00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,200
Speaker 1: So change will come to the Blues and nobody knows

354
00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,880
Speaker 1: what that change is going to look like. The speculation

355
00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,280
Speaker 1: that he's pondered the idea of a trade and now

356
00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,760
Speaker 1: you've got Tom Morris and a cow to me who

357
00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,800
Speaker 1: are died right into this space, who think that this

358
00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,960
Speaker 1: is at least an active idea, a notion now naturally,

359
00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,960
Speaker 1: Michael Voss shut that down today.

360
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,640
Speaker 7: Charlie's a cult man, and you'll stay a Carlton man.

361
00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much more emphatic I need to

362
00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:20,920
Speaker 1: be on that.

363
00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,280
Speaker 7: So I appreciate sort of these times of the year

364
00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,000
Speaker 7: and when you're not going so well there there will

365
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,160
Speaker 7: always be some speculation on your players, but.

366
00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:30,880
Speaker 3: It probably ends there for us.

367
00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,760
Speaker 4: Have you had to have conversations with him?

368
00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,400
Speaker 5: Have you been one of the people who's spoken with

369
00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,200
Speaker 5: about that desire?

370
00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,000
Speaker 7: No, because it's again speculation. So it's very hard to

371
00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,400
Speaker 7: operate and have a conversation even answer something on here

372
00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,280
Speaker 7: say so, you know, other than to suggest, other than

373
00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,560
Speaker 7: to say that Charlie is a very important person to us,

374
00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:49,480
Speaker 7: and you'll.

375
00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,440
Speaker 3: Play out of his career here.

376
00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,600
Speaker 1: He's a cult and person will stay one. So unequivocal

377
00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,520
Speaker 1: as you would expect through the trade evolution, you would

378
00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,920
Speaker 1: say that most of these things don't come to fruition,

379
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,920
Speaker 1: but there's usually a kernel of truth anywhere in your mind?

380
00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,920
Speaker 1: Could you see Charlie Kernelt else where next year?

381
00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,399
Speaker 2: My starting point is no, not under any circumstance, Jared,

382
00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,800
Speaker 2: not under any circumstance. That's my starting position, and then

383
00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,040
Speaker 2: just see how it unfolds him there. But that's the

384
00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:20,080
Speaker 2: position you take if you're Carlton. I'm not inside Charlie's mind.

385
00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,719
Speaker 2: I know you've got a different opinion, and I'll give

386
00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,199
Speaker 2: that in the moment, Vossi's opinion, as strong as it was,

387
00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,800
Speaker 2: may not matter. And I think that's what you're about

388
00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,640
Speaker 2: to allude to, is that he's not in a position

389
00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,560
Speaker 2: of enormous strength. He's still got a year to go,

390
00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,120
Speaker 2: and hopefully, for his sake, he gets to coach next year.

391
00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,960
Speaker 2: But there's another man whose opinion matters more than anyone else,

392
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:39,080
Speaker 2: and he ain't telling us anything.

393
00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,639
Speaker 1: No, So Graham Wright has done all the work behind

394
00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,199
Speaker 1: the scenes. He assumes the role as chief executive in

395
00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,600
Speaker 1: mid August, and we expect that there'll be a blueprint

396
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,679
Speaker 1: from there. So I think everything is on the table.

397
00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,320
Speaker 1: Part of Wright's job is to relieve the salary cap stress,

398
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,520
Speaker 1: where they have a handful of players who monopolize, So

399
00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:58,000
Speaker 1: that's real.

400
00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:58,440
Speaker 3: Think.

401
00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,560
Speaker 1: I think that part of it is real, and he

402
00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,480
Speaker 1: he was unflinching in doing that. At Collingwood, he got

403
00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,280
Speaker 1: the million dollar Grundy deal off the books after the

404
00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,800
Speaker 1: fire sale that had happened previously. So they are stressed

405
00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,560
Speaker 1: at the top of their cap. So I think there

406
00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,320
Speaker 1: is the possibility that one or two of those players

407
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,080
Speaker 1: the market simply doesn't know what Carlton is doing. Other

408
00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,760
Speaker 1: clubs are sitting there going well, could Kerno be on

409
00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,919
Speaker 1: the table, Could Walsh be on the table? Nobody knows?

410
00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,800
Speaker 1: And if somewhere in Kerno's head he's going, well, I've

411
00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,159
Speaker 1: nearly had enough of this and all the repeat cycle

412
00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,240
Speaker 1: that happens with Carlton over and over, and if he

413
00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,240
Speaker 1: got the tap on the shoulder and go well, are

414
00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,280
Speaker 1: you open to it? Well, I think there are conversations

415
00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,080
Speaker 1: to be had in August that we won't be privy to.

416
00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,960
Speaker 1: But there'll be a kernel of truth in this that

417
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,159
Speaker 1: it might end up being the seed for something, or

418
00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,320
Speaker 1: it might just disappear.

419
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:48,840
Speaker 3: It would signal they're going way back.

420
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,879
Speaker 1: If they do, I think they'll have to go a

421
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,560
Speaker 1: little bit back, but they're going to have to crack

422
00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,520
Speaker 1: their list open.

423
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,359
Speaker 2: To some degree Carton fans, they did prepare themselves for

424
00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,720
Speaker 2: that if in fact that happens, because once you are

425
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,840
Speaker 2: open into the sixty four eighty one fifty seven goal

426
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,560
Speaker 2: dual Comma medalists or Harry or Walsh, then you're saying

427
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,800
Speaker 2: we're going way back. They're hard to find you. They

428
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,639
Speaker 2: just don't come along, those players. So if they've got

429
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,480
Speaker 2: themselves into a situation where Graham Wright looks at it

430
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 2: and says, yep, we've got to empty out, well that's

431
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,520
Speaker 2: been mismanagement. And they're not the only club. There's others

432
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,680
Speaker 2: in a similar situation. So it is intriguing. I wonder

433
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,320
Speaker 2: what Harry. Harry can come and knock this on the head.

434
00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,919
Speaker 2: Harry can knock this on the head tomorrow, kick five goals.

435
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,880
Speaker 2: So Charlie Sarah Jones runs out with the microphone. He says,

436
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,239
Speaker 2: aren't going anywhere. I love this joint, and here we go.

437
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,000
Speaker 1: Pick the first goal, grab the jumper.

438
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,400
Speaker 3: I'll ye, and I'll.

439
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 2: Tell you when this is when I take it seriously,

440
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,120
Speaker 2: when players are then prepared to go yeah, I will

441
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,640
Speaker 2: give up two hundred and fifty thousand to make it

442
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 2: happen because picking up salary like that's hard for some clubs.

443
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 3: That's when that's when you know you're feeding.

444
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,399
Speaker 1: Them all right. Fifteen dollar tickets available for tomorrow night

445
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 1: at the MCG for a bumper crowds, real sensification to it.

446
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 1: We're heading to Melbourne training next. Timon good It joins

447
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 1: us before Adam Simpson and John Monmire dip into what's

448
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,120
Speaker 1: going down on the foot of you right now? Oh

449
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:13,760
Speaker 1: cool and nobody, I'm you