1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shaddon's. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: On today's episode, Max Mustafan makes it three different winners 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,159 Speaker 1: from three Grand Prix with a masterclass at Suzuka, and 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: we look forward to this weekend's bah Rain Grand Prix. 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: My name is Michael Lomonado. It's great to have your 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: company and the company of my co host. He's never 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: felt the need to appease the whims or views of 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: jacques Ville Nerve. It's Matt Clayton. 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 2: There's so many ways I could go after that intro, Michael, 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: I think I'll just say thank you for the intro, 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: and look, we're a couple of days behind. Keen listeners 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 2: will know that we're a little bit behind schedule here 13 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: this week. I wondered if you'd taken a couple of 14 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 2: days to count on two hands and maybe one foot 15 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: the number of overtakes that we had at Suzuka on 16 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: the weekend. You were counting one for every four hours 17 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: since the race finished on Sunday, because there were a 18 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: lot of them. But you are slightly under the weather. 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: So if there's a little bit of me talking this 20 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: week and a little less of you, bad news for 21 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: the listeners, but probably good news for your voice. 22 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: Yes, probably bad news for the listeners having to listen 23 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: to this voice to begin with. So we have made 24 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: it here. I did does triple counting the number of 25 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: overtime I mean, in fact, probably had to triple count 26 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: seven times over, I think to fill the time with counting, 27 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: considering how few we ended up getting fifteen for those 28 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: counting at home. But fear not, because Matt later on 29 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: we'll be doing a Move of the week nonetheless, so 30 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: you can look forward to probably us naming all of 31 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: them between us that segment. But let's look at that 32 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: Japanese Grand Prix, round three of the series and the 33 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: first of the triple header that we're in the thick 34 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: of right now, and it wasn't one of the McLaren's winning, 35 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: which I think probably if you rewind to our race preview, 36 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: I can only imagine we would have said, well, of 37 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: course they're going to win. It's a McLaren track, high 38 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: speed circuit. They're in the they are the form team. 39 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,839 Speaker 1: And obviously both Lando Norris and Oscopiastri individually in great 40 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: form and they were and McLaren was, but not winners. 41 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: It was Max Forstaffen for the fourth time in a 42 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: row at Suzuka, and it gets Red Bull Racing on 43 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: the board. This is sort of my overwhelming feeling afterwards, 44 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: is that it came way earlier than I would have 45 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: thought for Red Bull Racing win. No, it is Max 46 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: with staff and of course that we're talking about, how 47 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: significant to your mind is it that Red Bull Racing 48 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: has been able to get on the board at this 49 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: point in the season, And what do you think it means, 50 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: if anything, going forward for the next month or so. 51 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: It's funny, isn't it. We keep using the term papering 52 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: over the cracks with Verstapan and I think what the 53 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: weekend in Japan taught us is that he's the best 54 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: champion on the current grid. He also might be the 55 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: best underdog as well, because I don't feel like this 56 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: was a race that anybody else in an adjacent car 57 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: and I use adjacent in air quotes because it's not 58 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: really adjacent to the McLaren. This felt like a Grand 59 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: Prix weekend that only he could have come up with, 60 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: given what it is that he's driving. And to my mind, 61 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 2: the absolute moment of the F one season so far 62 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: was that qualifying lap in Q three on Saturday, the 63 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: sort of lap that only a driver like Verstappan could do, 64 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: and he very rarely lets his guard down to the 65 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: degree when he was a younger driver these days, he 66 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: was utterly stunned and so excited about how good that 67 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: lap was. And I'm sure you did this as well. 68 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 2: You go back and watch the onboard. It is as 69 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: close to flawless as you could possibly imagine. And how 70 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: he attacked the final chicine. I can't think you could 71 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: have pushed that point one of a percent harder and 72 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: actually managed to get the cas stick through that chicaine. 73 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: It was absolutely mesmerizing. And we know how significant it 74 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: was apsychologically because they'd taken it to McLaren and beaten 75 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: them at a McLaren track. But we know how races 76 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: at Suzuka play out. We've seen plenty of these over 77 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: the years, and there are a number of factors that 78 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: made this race even more of a Suzuka race that 79 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: it normally was. But he had the high ground and 80 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: from there on it felt like it was his to lose. 81 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: And the one thing we know about maxis Stapanie. He 82 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: doesn't often squander good results from a position of advantage. 83 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: He's got you in the choke hold at this point 84 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: and he just had to execute that first lap or 85 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: two on Sunday to more or less had it have 86 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: it done. But I was so impressed with what he did. 87 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: He the difference in a car that look, it's getting better, 88 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: but poundpha Pount, it's still not a McLaren. I don't 89 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: even know if it's a Ferrari or a Mercedes. Quite frankly, 90 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: it has its high points, but he is so massively 91 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: papering over the cracks. But one thing I did enjoy it. 92 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: I knew this would raise a smile from you, is 93 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: I enjoyed Christian Horner after the race saying this is 94 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: even good on the Christian Horner scale of ambiguity. The 95 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: basically saying that Redbell were in an advantageous position because well, 96 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: McLaren had two drivers and they had to decide what 97 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: they wanted to do against Max. And I'm like, hang 98 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 2: on a set here, you're trying to take credit for 99 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: the fact that you've got a two team program that 100 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 2: can't produce two drivers a loan for you're going to 101 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 2: take a victory lap because you're one absolute a list 102 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: and managed to win the Grand Prix. So you know, 103 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 2: talk about making the most of a situation. But Max 104 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: was absolutely outstanding. And the narrative that you read across 105 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: the weekend was was this a Grand Prix McClaren lost. 106 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: I don't buy that at all. This was a Grand 107 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 2: Prix that red Ball and more specifically Max Verstappen took 108 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: from McLaren by ninety seconds of genius on Saturday and 109 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: then converting it on Sunday, and it felt like only 110 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: a race that he could have won. 111 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: I loved that line from Christian Horner. I'm not sure 112 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: I loved it ironically or not, but I think I'm 113 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: only very tightly paraphrasing. I think it's the phrase he 114 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: used was McLaren's made it, but its bed, and now 115 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: it must lie in the bed of having two competitive drivers. 116 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: Imagine I thought that what's remarkable. It's like it's been 117 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: so long that he's forgotten and it must be it 118 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: must be the goal of F one to have only 119 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: one driver because McClaren's might got to it's a stay to. 120 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: Be fair, to be fair to Christian here, like he's 121 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: getting on in age a little bit it has been 122 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: seven years since they had two capable drivers in their team, 123 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: so it's been a little while. A lot's happened, So 124 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: we'll forgive him that for one weekend at least. 125 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: I thought that was great. But I think you're absolutely right, 126 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: And so it's a word that's very rarely not hyperbole, 127 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: but perfection is really what this weekend was. For years, 128 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: I can't think of a single mistake he made at 129 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: any point, like you said, that qualifying lap for anyone 130 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: who went to watch it on board, and we're expecting 131 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: it to look really larry like it was stepping out 132 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: in the way that we've described that Red Bull Racing 133 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: cast off in this season. It was remarkable because it 134 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: was exactly the opposite. It was a lap that was 135 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: like it was perfect that like you say, there was 136 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: no corner, particularly not that chicquet that that final she 137 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: came where he made up so much time and which 138 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: there was any more time on the table. It was 139 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: the perfect lap. And contrasted to talk about McLaren's element 140 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: here with small, like really small but decisive in the 141 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: end mistakes from both Lando Norris and Oscar Piastri And 142 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: for me, this is the third race in a row 143 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: in which we've seen qualifying mistakes from either the drivers 144 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: or the team, whether it's qualifying in Australia where they 145 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: both lost their first Q three laps, the sprint qualifying 146 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: strategy that ultimately meant Lewis Hamilton was able to take 147 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: pole and win the sprint there or again here where 148 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: Max Mustaffen was allowed to be able to take pole. 149 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: It was only forty four hundredths of a second across 150 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: the top three, but that's the only margin Max with 151 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: staff and needed to nose ahead and then ultimately win 152 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 1: this race. And it even extends then to the Grand 153 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: Prix because well there was perhaps at best and extremely 154 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: narrow path for McLaren to win this. Then even in 155 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: the race they found themselves responding strategically right like George 156 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: Russell's early pit stop meant that they couldn't undercut Max. 157 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: Even if that would have worked, it was unlikely to, 158 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: but it just meant that they had nothing to respond 159 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: to the staff and with and in the end were 160 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: just forced to kind of follow him home very closely, 161 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: which only underlined the fact that that car was quicker. 162 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: But there was just no way to prevent Max with 163 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: staff and from winning this. So I guess to ask 164 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: the McLaren question here, how much will this one sting? 165 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: Because I'm kind of struck by the fact there are 166 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: really two attitudes of McLaren. On the one hand, listening 167 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: to Andrea Stella on Sunday night, it seemed very relaxed 168 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: about it, I think because, and they say it quite openly, 169 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: they know they've got the faster calf and now they 170 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: know they can win back these points. From the other hand, 171 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: no one would have expected Max winning this weekend. This 172 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: weekend either. George Russell I think didn't show his full 173 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: hand to you look quick at points this week end. 174 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: Ferrari I think's got it in there somewhere. The fact 175 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: they were able to perform briefly in China suggests, you know, okay, 176 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: might take a while that they've got it. Do you 177 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: think this is at risk of stinging or is that 178 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: just too ready, too much into a really good MAX performance. 179 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can. The pain of losing a 180 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: race weekend like this is when there's twenty four of them, 181 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: you can afford to have one or two like this. 182 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: And you know you mentioned in your intro this is 183 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: the fourth year in a row that verstappens one at Zuzuka. 184 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: This is a Max track. There are so many characteristics 185 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: about this strace track, and even the resurfacing for this year, 186 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: which I'm sure we'll get into at some point, that 187 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: made it possible. Where are other tracks. No matter how 188 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: good Max might be, or how close to as good 189 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: as that Red Bull car could be, you're not going 190 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: to have that window to operate in because there might 191 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: be more overtaking possibilities or greater strategical variants or other 192 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: factors that weren't on the table at Suzuka. So it 193 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: was a narrow band for everybody to work within, and 194 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: Max extracted that more so I think, you know, over 195 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: a full balance of season and circuits and with the 196 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: car advantage McLaren seem to have that can temper some 197 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: of the pain from losing this one. But the thing 198 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: with Max is he's a point behind in the driver's 199 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: stat is it's not even something that we're necessarily taking 200 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 2: super seriously after three rounds because there's twenty one of 201 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 2: them to go. But also it just feels that McLaren 202 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: has more ceiling, more headroom here across a wider range 203 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: of tracks and so yeah, there will be some tracks. 204 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: We know how good Max is in certain situations, and 205 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: there are going to be weekends where, despite the car disadvantage, 206 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: you have to look at him as being at least 207 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: the equal of the McLaren's, or perhaps even more favored 208 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: than the McLaren's. But they are more the outlier than 209 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: the norm, so you can afford to be reasonably relaxed. 210 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: I don't think you know. You mentioned the little mistakes 211 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: that both McLaren drivers made in qualifying that's been a 212 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: thieve of this early part of the season. It stands 213 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: to reason that those mistakes will start to become less 214 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 2: frequent as the season goes on. And if it comes 215 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: down to can Max overcome such a significant car advantage 216 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: in order to actually make a difference or is he 217 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: just going to be that other guy who's always on 218 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: the podium. But going back to something that I said before, 219 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: he's had it so and I hate to use the 220 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: word easy, because twenty twenty three just they just romped 221 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: through twenty twenty three and the first half of twenty four. 222 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: You look at what he's done in the second half 223 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: of twenty four. In the start of this year, a 224 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: staff and he's not had the best car for the 225 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: back end of twenty four, but really controlled that championship 226 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: and had that one amazing race in Brazil where it's like, well, 227 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: this is why I'm going to be the four time 228 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: world champion. That was the clincher, but he held everyone 229 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 2: at arm's length, and the way he started this season, 230 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: I'm actually enjoying him being the underdog and having to 231 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 2: really fight his corner. I think that allows the more 232 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: casual fan to have maybe more of an appreciation for 233 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: what it is that he's doing and how good he 234 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: is in the historical context of the sport. 235 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: I think so. I think there was a ugliness, might 236 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: be a little bit of an exaggeration, but when he 237 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: could feel that advantage slipping away last year, when the 238 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: trips he was using was suddenly less effective, he saw 239 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: some of those almost old fashioned Verstafens elbows too far out, 240 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: you know. I think if some of the clashes he 241 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: had with Lando Norris been really quite indicative of a 242 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: driver who knew he just didn't have the car underneath 243 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: him anymore and really need to push the limits starting 244 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: behind the eight ball, I think has brought out, like 245 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: you say, this very controlled element to Verstafan's approach, where 246 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: he's really just he knows there's a limit on what 247 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: he can do, and he's going to get to that limit, 248 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: and he's going to get that fourth place in China 249 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: because that's the maximum. Maybe fifth was actually the maximum, 250 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: who knows, but you know, he's just getting that absolute 251 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: maximum out of the car. And I think that's going 252 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: to be interesting to see how it plays out later 253 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: in the year, particularly because Red Bull Racing thinks that 254 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: once the front wing rule changes changed after round nine 255 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: the Spanish gran free remember the Spanish cran Frie was 256 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: around three back in the day, then the game might 257 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: change in Red Bull's favor. So it's just hanging on now. 258 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: But if I was Red Bull Racing, I'd be going 259 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: and paying every tracks to resurface between now and the 260 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: end of the Sea. Certainly played a significant role in 261 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: McLaren not having the advantage it expected. Tywee was way lower, 262 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: and it does seem like based on Suzuka, which is 263 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: obviously only one particular type of circuit, but the McLaren's 264 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: race advantage really does lean close to exclusively at least 265 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: in reference dreadball racing on that tire. Where because in 266 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: the race, okay, it was clearly the faster carve Andrea 267 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: Stella was sort of talking about tenth of a second 268 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: at most, and Max is able to make the difference 269 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: there and pudge that gap. So I think there's something 270 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: interesting and that then you sort of think you can 271 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: do this sort of mentally, I suppose. I think all 272 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: the tracks that are coming up over the course of 273 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: the season with degradation is pretty low. Most street tracks, 274 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: degradation is pretty low. Some it's nonexistent. Suddenly you studdenly 275 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: pencil some of these in, regardless of whether or not 276 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: rule changes bring RedBull back into it or whatever. I 277 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: was thinking, well, actually, you know, those fears of George 278 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: Russell trying to say well, they're just going to win 279 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: every race seemed pretty far wider than mark. 280 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: I've got a question for you, which will give you 281 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: a chance to rest your voice for the next thirty 282 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: seconds while I ask it. But you mentioned before about 283 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: the Piastre stop. You know, everyone was going to make 284 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: one stop because of the low tie wear, and there 285 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: was a story really that you know Piastre pitted when 286 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 2: he did to cover off George Russell after Russell had 287 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: gone earlier. I now, whether I'm looking at the wrong 288 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: data or whether I'm just misinterpreting it or not. I 289 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: felt that that was less of a threat from Russell 290 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: behind than was being made out, and you extrapolate that through. 291 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: McLaren really needed to pit Norris on the lap that 292 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: they pitted Piastre to give them some sort of tool 293 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: to fight within this fight with Verstappam. Because if you're 294 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 2: Red Bull racing, you're looking at Piastre pitting first, we 295 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: know it's a one stop strategy. The logical assumption from 296 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: there is like, well, they're just going to pit Lando 297 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: the next lap, surely, and then because Versappen was ahead 298 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: of Norris on the road, they could pit at the 299 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: same time. So in a race where there were very 300 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: few strategical cards to play, McLaren were committed to doing 301 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: this stop with Norris aft. Because they pitted Piastre first, 302 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 2: Red Bull could just cover them off and that was 303 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: pretty much game over. From there, it relied on Max 304 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: making a mistake to allow Norris back through. But from 305 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: your vantage point in the press room and from everyone 306 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: that was there, was there a bit of a surprise 307 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: that they were so worried about Russell behind Piastre and 308 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: not really looking forward with Norris. 309 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was super cautious, and I think this sort 310 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: of defines McLaren's entire approach to this Grand Prix, being 311 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: really defensive having it seems really like they decided Andrea 312 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: Stale got close to sort of saying as much that 313 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: by the time the race started they couldn't get ahead 314 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: of Max at the start, then that the maximum they 315 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: were probably going to get was second and third because 316 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of strategic option. He really spoke, 317 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: He said more than once, I think of this idea 318 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: that if you fall behind a car through strategy, whether 319 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: because you're undercut or because you stay out and there's 320 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: a safety car, because he addressed even the idea that, well, 321 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: why didn't Lando just stay out longer to build an 322 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: offset and that might have damaged it strategically or whatever, 323 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: that you just wouldn't get it back because no car 324 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: had a significant enough pace advantage all things being equal, 325 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: to overtake at this track, because overtaking is so hard, 326 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: and so he was saying, well, if they'd fallen behind 327 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: George Russell, even though I think it was around four 328 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: seconds when Russell pitted, and I think it was still 329 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: around four seconds when Oscar petered to cover him. Plus 330 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: there were three cars between them once he pitted, and 331 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: Oscar briefly fell behind Oliver Beerman if memory serves correctly 332 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: as well, so if you flip them with Norris, you'd 333 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: say probably wouldn't have fallen behind Oliver Berman, and I 334 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: think it would have worked out, but it just seems 335 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: super cautious. I don't think he would have had they 336 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: would have had a problem pitting the other way around. 337 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: I also don't necessarily think that would have got Nora's 338 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: ahead of a stap and either considering that it was 339 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: just hard strategically to make any moves. But it just 340 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: think and I think to say it was defensive and 341 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: conservative is the correct identification because I think that's exactly 342 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: what they were doing. I don't know. I don't know 343 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: that it was I don't know that it is baked 344 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: into the way they're going to approach this season. We've 345 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: asked questions about their overall season approach so far this year, 346 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: and obviously it'll take more races to know what's a 347 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: season based assumption or what is a race by race approach, 348 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: but that was definitely what was happening this weekend. It'll 349 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: be interesting to see because the other question, I guess 350 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: to answer your question with another question something I was 351 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: thinking about in the media center afterwards. If the positions 352 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: were reversed and this were Red Bull Racing, but in 353 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: this hypothetical there has to be a second competitive Red 354 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: Bull Racing. 355 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: Cars, Well, that's it. That's the end of the question 356 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 2: from the stuff. 357 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't imagine, but if positions were reversed, I 358 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: think if you were Red Bull Racing, even if you 359 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: were Mercedes in its title winning era, you choose the 360 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: more aggressive option, even if the odds are not that high. 361 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't think either of those teams would settle for 362 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: second and third knowing that well, you know, they'll probably 363 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: win more races later and then it'll be fine, agreed. 364 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: I just think that. I think it does say something 365 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: about the way McLaren's going to go about this year. 366 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: It's talked a lot about it's going to win the 367 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: Contructors Championship first. Confident can do that, then worry about 368 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: drivers later. It's very methodical. But part of me wonders 369 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: is that if it's going to end up being too 370 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: methodical when push comes to shove and decisions like these, and. 371 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: It may not matter in terms of the Constructors Championship. 372 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: It probably won't, to be honest, but you know, we 373 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: have to remember that. You know, yes, last year they 374 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: won the Constructors Championship. It wasn't something that they had 375 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: the entire year and defended because the first half of 376 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: the season, I mean, their season really came alive after 377 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: Miami last year, and they slowly built and built and 378 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: built and then got to a position of advantage. But 379 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 2: it was never significant enough that they could relax on that. 380 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: And that's one of those things that they haven't competed 381 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: from this position of pace and competitive advantage for a 382 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: long long time. You know, a lot of people in 383 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 2: this team have never done that. So maybe there's that 384 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: built in layer of conservatism where your example there is 385 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: a very good one, except for the bit when it 386 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: required Red Bull to have two competent drivers at the 387 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: front of the race, because if the situation was reversed, 388 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: I could absolutely see Red Bull rolling the dice to 389 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 2: try and put McLaren in a position to make a mistake. Now, 390 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 2: nothing ventured, nothing gained, right, It might not work, but 391 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: I can see Red Bull asking the question that McLaren didn't, 392 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 2: and that, to my mind, is the difference between a 393 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 2: team that's done a lot of winning and is prepared 394 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: to back itself and a very processed, driven team that 395 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 2: is still coming to two with the fact that they 396 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: are now the hunted and not the hunter, and there 397 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 2: is a psychological difference between and two. 398 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: All Right, Matt, I think we've put it off long enough. 399 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: It's time for Move of the Week by Shannon's. No 400 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: reflection on Shannon's, of course, more on a reflection of 401 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: the word move in this particular segment name. Japanese Grand 402 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: Prix featured fifteen overtakes in total. None of them were 403 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: among the top six, and only one was among the 404 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: top ten. It was that kind of Grand Prix matters 405 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: is not just because it's traditional, but also because I 406 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: think it makes life easy for me. Do you want 407 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: to go for your move of the week? 408 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: Would you like me to count them down from fifteen 409 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: best to first? Probably? Do have the time, Let's not 410 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 2: do that. Very handy gadget on FOREX, the Great Formula one. 411 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: Stat's a data base that I went into because I 412 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: knew you were going to ask me this very question. 413 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: I'm going to go for the only move on track 414 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: that changed a position within the top ten, which was 415 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: on lap six when Lewis Hamilton overtook Isaac Hadja to 416 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: go from eighth place to seventh and flip those two around, 417 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: because every other driver in the top ten finished in 418 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: the same position in which they started. So it's a 419 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: very very low bar, but Lewis Hamilton was able to 420 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: go over it or under it, depending on what you'd 421 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: like to do with bars. So Lewis Hamilton over Isaac 422 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: Hadja on lap six is the best of a very 423 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: very shallow pool of overtakes for this week. Do you 424 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 2: have another option that's better? 425 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: I do have another option that's better. Is really up 426 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: to you. Just for those playing at home, only four 427 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: drivers finished higher than they started with his entire Grand Prix. 428 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: My option for move of the week is Red Bull Racing, 429 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: moving Liam Lawson back to racing bulls and putting Uki 430 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: Sonotia in the seas. I had to go for a 431 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: little bit of a lateral approach here. I don't know 432 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: that it beats you by the strict interpretation of the 433 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: rule to this segment and we will talk about this 434 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: a little bit later on in the show as well. 435 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: We look forward to the Barrain Grand Prix. But despite 436 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: returning no points, not escaping that one, I think it 437 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: did pay immediate dividends for Red Bull Racing. Not only 438 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: was there a remarkable atmosphere around this at the Japanese 439 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: Grand Prix, because this was a really big deal for 440 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: the home fans. We have been wondering many of them 441 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 1: would have been assuming that Yuki had a pretty good 442 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: chance of being out of a driver, as I think 443 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: we talked about last year by the end of the year, 444 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: and has been unloved by the Red Bull program almost 445 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: since he was inducted into it. It seems so for 446 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: him to get this drive in a competitive car and 447 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: to look competitive in it until making a mistake in 448 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: Q two that left him knocked out of Q two 449 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: and therefore unable to score points. As we've illustrated, I 450 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: think none of that negates the fact that he looked 451 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: like an immediate upgrade in that seat on Liam Lawson, 452 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: and if I were Red Bull Racing, I'd be looking 453 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: forward to seeing how he does from here, because I 454 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: think suddenly it feels a little bit more optimistic. 455 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. I think that's actually a really 456 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: good call. I'm going to follow this up with a 457 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: quick question, because you were on the ground and I wasn't. 458 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 2: Sonoda was announced as moving to Red Bull Racing a 459 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: little over a week for his home Grand Prix, and 460 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 2: I know how the Japanese Grand Prix works, having done 461 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: a million of them over the years. I'm assuming that 462 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: every piece of poster and paraphernalia and promotional equipment was 463 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: hastily changed at the last minute and was probably absolutely 464 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 2: perfectly executed by the organizers. I'll be shocked if you 465 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: tell me that wasn't the case. But explained to those 466 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 2: of us only watched it on the TV what it 467 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: was like being there with Uki in that Red Bull 468 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 2: main team, because I'm sure it would have been absolutely fantastic. 469 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was honestly. The first thing I noticed was 470 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: how he was in his Red Bull gear everywhere you went. 471 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: Train station. Yeah, at train stations like things not even 472 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: connected directly to the Grand Prix. Random promotional material had 473 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: him front and center in his Red Bull Racing overalls. 474 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: When you consider that, it appeared to me the people 475 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: who run the F one TV Intro could only get 476 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: a still image for him in the intro sequence. Go 477 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: back and have a look, not even a video sequence. 478 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: A remarkable work from the organized and we're not just 479 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: talking small posters, we're talking the big grand stand size ones. 480 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: They did a remarkable job, and it was reflective of 481 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: the fact that it was such an enthusiastic atmosphere for Yuki, 482 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: even having arrived in Tokyo. It's obviously quite farther the 483 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: race circuit from any major city people who know about 484 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: Formula One, and most people there have an awareness of 485 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: the Grand Prix. Regardless when not they're fans, the first 486 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: thing they'll say is, well, Yuki Sonoda. They're all very 487 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: excited about Yuki Sonoda, obviously more so the fact baps. 488 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: Some of them were maybe a bit more excited they 489 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: need to be, considering he'd set his dream target I 490 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: think was his phrase, as a podium, so that probably 491 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: got hopes up a little bit higher than they needed 492 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: to be. But nonetheless, everyone was very excited to have 493 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: their home guy in a competitive drive. It's something that 494 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: surprised me every time I hear it that no Japanese 495 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: drivers ever won a Grand Prix and it does feel like, 496 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have to beat Max with staff and 497 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: to do it obviously, but he could be the first. Now, 498 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: now that's reading a lot into some good practice and 499 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: qualifying times, but he feels close enough from what we've 500 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: seen that that's not an unrealistic thing to think about, pending, 501 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: of course, a few more Grand Prix. It doesn't feel 502 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: like we're sitting here talking about why it needs a 503 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: few months to really get up to speed. 504 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 2: It feels like, no, no, there's not like there's fifteen 505 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: things that need to happen for it to be a possibility, 506 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: like it's absolutely probable. But to take people behind the 507 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: curtain of what Suzuka is like, and this is one 508 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 2: of my highlights of going there every year. The race 509 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: happens because the sun sets very very quickly. As we 510 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 2: were discussing offline before we started recording today, the sunsets 511 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: there super super fast. So the race will happen. There'll 512 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: be the podium, and then all on the big screens 513 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 2: around the circuit they will replay the race for a 514 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: second time, and the main grand stand, which is massive, 515 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 2: it takes up the entire start finished straight at Suzuka 516 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: basically nobody leaves and they sit and watch the race 517 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 2: again that they've just already watched before on the big screen. 518 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: And then when the race finishes, everyone politely claps and 519 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: then leaves. It's one of my absolute favorite traditions of Suzuka. 520 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 2: It could not happen anywhere else. That is what this 521 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: fan base is like. So I can only imagine how 522 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 2: super charged it was with Yuki and the big team. 523 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on now, map to this weekend's 524 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: Bahrain Grand Prix. If you enjoyed the time zone of 525 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: the Japanese Grand Prix, we'll hold that close to your 526 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: heart because those days are over a one am start 527 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: time on Monday mornings, So get excited for that. But 528 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: let's look at what we have to look forward to 529 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: with this Grand Prix because there is quite a lot. 530 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: It's I actually think but and this is not just 531 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: because I think Australia belongs is Round one, but I 532 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: think this is the natural place for the Bahrain Grand 533 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: Prix because if we're going to still have pre season 534 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: testing there, it gives everyone a little bit of a 535 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: run up to it. You know, everyone's discovered something about 536 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: their cars, They've all been back to Europe as well, 537 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: since the n or back to their factories obviously after 538 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: the Chinese Grand Prix before Japan, and have had time 539 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: to work on what they learned from pre season testing. 540 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: Now we returned to the circuit at which preseason testing 541 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: took place. There's a lot of data therefore banked up 542 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: with these specific cars, around about three days worth, depending 543 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: on how many technical problems you had, which means I 544 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: think we'll have after this race a much clearer look 545 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: at the form guide than we've really been able to 546 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: have it first three Grand Prix now they're all different circuits, 547 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: of course, these when we get up to the first four, 548 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: even the first five after Saudi Arabia, but this is 549 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: the one I think will really give us a good 550 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: indication of who's actually really maybe more than just the 551 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: form guy, but who's really understanding the car they've got. 552 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: Because we know roughly what happened in testing, no, roughly 553 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: what we've under the last three races, what happens this weekend, 554 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: I think we'll really give a simplarity. 555 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I love the fact that 556 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: we've got this gap between preseason testing and then having 557 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: the Grand Prix on the same circuit a because it 558 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: gives us time to let things bed in a little bit. 559 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 2: But there's also you look at the way these first 560 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: three rounds have played out this year. The race in 561 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: Melbourne was affected by weather China, and round two is 562 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: a sprint weekend, so that's naturally going to be compromised anyway. 563 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: And then Suzuka is just such a one of one 564 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 2: in terms of what we're talking about in terms of 565 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: track servicing and ability to pass and so on and 566 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: so forth. It does muddy the picture a little bit, 567 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: but we've got time to see what's happened over these 568 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: three races. If you have a Grand Prix at the 569 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: same track ten days after preseason testing finishes, guess what 570 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 2: you're going to get a fairly predictable Grand Prix. So 571 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 2: I like the fact that it's a little bit later 572 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: in the season. Who has managed to retain where they 573 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: were in pre season testing, who's made the jump? And 574 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: that goes with drivers too, because so much of this 575 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 2: year's grid is so unproven at Formula one level, you've 576 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: got this other variable where a quarter of the grid 577 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: have done their first three Grand Prix in these first 578 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: three weekends. So who's come on faster, who's learned, whose 579 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 2: rat of improvement is going up or down? And then 580 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: you add the whole Red Bull team swap thing going on. 581 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: Super interesting. I do like the fact I don't think 582 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: it's going to happen, but I would love to see 583 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: more seasons wherever we end up testing and it's increasingly 584 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 2: going to be barray in these days. Let's be honest, 585 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 2: let's not have it as Round one. Australia needs to 586 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: be Round one. Everyone knows this, of course, But I 587 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: do like the fact that we've been able to get 588 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: the narrative of the season started, and so we're not 589 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 2: beginning the story at the same track where we've had testing, 590 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: We're continuing it. And I think that's a super interesting 591 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: variable for one am on a Monday morning. I'll take 592 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: what interesting very much I can get. 593 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: I think in that context as well, this is a 594 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: really big weekend for Ferrari because Ferrari is a team 595 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 1: that looked certainly more convincing in pre season testing than 596 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: it has done since it didn't look like it was 597 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: going to be a McLaren bead or necessarily even on 598 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: par with McLaren. That seemed to be general consensus after Bahrain, 599 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: but we thought that it would be a much closer match, 600 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: and with the exception of that sprint qualifying and race 601 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: in China hasn't really been there. It's been a little 602 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: bit in no man's land in fact, somewhere bobbing between 603 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: third and fourth fastest kind of in competition with Mercedes, 604 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: which weirdly felt like it's overperformed a little bit, despite 605 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: the fact that doesn't really look that convincing either, except 606 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: when George Russell pulls out a really clean weekend like 607 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: it did in the first two rounds of the year. 608 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: But Ferrari for me in particular, is a big one. Obviously, 609 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: they've got the Lewis Hamilton storyline this year. Charlotte Clair 610 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: is the driver who seems like he's been getting most 611 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: out of it in the last couple of rounds with 612 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: some good performance of his own inclining with a missing 613 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: front wing in China. How big a weekend you think 614 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: this needs to be for the Italian team? It does 615 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: already feel like the way Fred vass is talking is 616 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: that getting into that period where we've just got to 617 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: keep everyone's hopes up a little bit. 618 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: I feel confused by Ferrari more than I feel, and 619 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: that's not I mean that could be a compliment because 620 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 2: they may have upside, But after three rounds, I feel 621 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 2: like I've got a reasonable handle on where teams are, 622 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: whether they're at the sharp end or whether they're at 623 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: the back. I mean, I kind of know what Alpine 624 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: is at the moment. It's not great, but I know 625 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: what they are. I kind of feel that I know 626 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: what most of these other teams are, even with the 627 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 2: driver swaps going between Red Bull and racing Balls. But 628 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: Ferrari to me is it's kind of the shoulder shrug 629 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 2: emoji at the moment, like I'm not really sure what 630 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: they are. I'm not sure they know what they are 631 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: and how they are because like you talked about, I mean, 632 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: they've had a sprint pole and a sprint win already 633 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: this season, and then you have other races where you know, 634 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton is not really anywhere at Suzuka, and then 635 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: after the race there was this particularly vague interview in 636 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: the pen where it's like, well, there's some things that 637 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: aren't right and we need to change this one thing. 638 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: But we found this thing, and there's lots of references 639 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: to things in inverted commerce, which is what you say 640 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: when you're not really quite sure why you are where 641 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: you are. So whether that's him just masking over some 642 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 2: of the issues that they have, or whether he's just 643 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: trying to be diplomatic, I don't know. But I'm just 644 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 2: confused by what they are because I suspect that their 645 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: upside is really quite high, but I've got no confidence 646 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: that they're going to get to it. And you know, 647 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 2: you mentioned Fredversh, so he mentioned at Suzuka on Sunday 648 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: that this season could very well go down the path 649 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: of being a quality championship in that qualifying is going 650 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: to have outsize importance given the difficulty of dirty air 651 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: and passing as we've seen in these first three rounds. 652 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: If they can't get Saturday right, there needs to be 653 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 2: a lot of randomness or curveball step apps change their 654 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: fate across a weekend. And so I'm just not one 655 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: hundred percent sure what they are at the moment. I 656 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: think they're capable of a lot better, but I need 657 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 2: proof of it. And you mentioned Leclair to me Hamilton 658 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: at this point of his career is probably going to 659 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 2: be spikier and that the performance Graft's going to have 660 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: quite high peaks and quite low valley's relative to La 661 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 2: Laclare's the guy who's just always there. But is that 662 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: always their fourth or fifth or is that always their 663 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: genuine podium chance on a weekend. I don't think we 664 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: can have any questions about what Charlotte Clare's ceiling is. 665 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: We've seen it. He's a very, very very good Formula 666 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: One driver. I'm just not sure about the team operationally 667 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 2: and where that car is at at the moment. There's 668 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: just a lot of questions coming out of the first 669 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: three rounds. For me. 670 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it seems like the problem really is 671 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: that they can't run the car anywhere near as low 672 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: as they'd thought. It sounds a lot like Mercedes probably yes, 673 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: over the last few years, but then it makes you 674 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: one day, Okay, bar Rain is quite an old surface, 675 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: but I guess because of the temperature of the climate 676 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: there whatever, it's still pretty smooth in a macro sense. 677 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: It's like quite rough for the tires, and it's a 678 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: whole different story for this weekend. But maybe they'll find 679 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: they can run it and the way they did during testing, 680 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: they'll look a bit more competitive and this might actually 681 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: end up being a good weekend for the Wino. Charlotte 682 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: Claire does reasonably well around here, certainly better than McLaren 683 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: has historically. Yeah, that's something, but they do. I think 684 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: they really need more than they need a good result. 685 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm necessarily how do you're saying, well, they really need 686 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: to win now for anything to happen this year. But 687 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: I think they need to result that they can explain afterwards. 688 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: I think that's more of the because even if you 689 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: talk to them still about the Chinese Grand Prix, other 690 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: than Lewis Hamilton being ahead at the start, which obviously 691 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: was very important, they can't really tell you much more 692 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: about it than that. And I think that, for me 693 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: is almost the more concerning that McLaren dissected very well. 694 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: You know why they weren't able to win this Grand Prix, 695 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: Max Vestaffan's Brilliants at Red Bull Racing sort of we 696 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: understand what happened this weekend with Ferrari. Every week it 697 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: seems like, well, to go back to where you started, 698 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: a bit of a shoulder shrug. I don't know, see, well, 699 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: whatever happened happened. 700 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah it was good. It wasn't good it's not great, 701 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 2: not great podcast content, that's not great for a media debrief. 702 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: So what was your weekend? So good for it? Oh 703 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 2: there's a bit of that going on at the moment, 704 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll be interested. The fact that we are 705 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: going back to a track where we have relevant twenty 706 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 2: twenty five data to draw should mean that their starting 707 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: point is more set this weekend. And then it comes 708 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: down to execution. What can they do in the long 709 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: runs on Friday, assuming we get a normal weekend without 710 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: red flags every three minutes and things being on fire 711 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 2: outside the track they were at Suzuka breaking up all 712 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 2: the long runs, And then what can you do in qualifying? 713 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: Because you know, yes, it's a circuit with bore passing 714 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 2: opportunities than Suzuka most circuits are, but this is also 715 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 2: a track where your grid position is pretty important. We 716 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: know they've got two really good drivers, one of whom 717 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: is still finding his way, one of whom is an 718 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: absolute elite performer. But I just some of the removing 719 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: some of the confusion would be a good outcome for 720 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: this weekend. 721 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: I think one other driver I want to see a 722 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: big weekend from this weekend is Jack doing not because 723 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: I think I'm not buying into the narrative. Always really 724 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: got end to a lot of pressure. You's got to 725 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: show something. But I think it's just I think he's 726 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: just due for a more complete weekend. Certainly. I think 727 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: Japan obviously was a real low point and he's big. 728 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: Crashing FP too really colored the rest of his weekend, 729 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: But so was losing FP one time, obviously to the 730 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: one of the mandatory reserve cards Alpines had to play 731 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: this year. He's been quick throughout this season over one lap, 732 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: hasn't he, But he just hasn't been able to put 733 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: it into a full race performance. To be fair, Neither 734 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: Alpine drivers scored yet, and I think that I feel 735 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: like he's building up to it when now back at 736 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: tracks he knows a little bit more. Intimately, Bahrain's pretty 737 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: well worn, particularly even in the junior series as well. 738 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: I feel like, if it's going to happen, this weekend's 739 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: a good opportunity for him to really to put it 740 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: all together. You know, I have a regular Grand Prix weekend. 741 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: As far as I know, there are no reserve drivers 742 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: lining up to take his seat in FP one this 743 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: weekend or any other session. I think that I'd like 744 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: to see him bounce back from that crash well this weekend. 745 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 2: Well, Alpine did stick a guy in the car for 746 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: FP one who subsequently left the team in the past 747 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: few days, just signed on as a reserve driver with half, 748 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: so that was interesting. But look, it was to use 749 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: the Sky Sports analysis of his crash in at the 750 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: start of FP two on Friday, oh dear seemed to 751 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: be the way that was described on the commentary. And look, 752 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: clearly it was a mistake by Jack and he was 753 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 2: lucky that he wasn't more physically damaged from that, although 754 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 2: he was compromised during the Grand Prix with that left hand. 755 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 2: But you're right, he just needs a weekend of just 756 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,479 Speaker 2: stacking decent performances one after the other, because I feel 757 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 2: that the others have all been slightly compromised to a degree. 758 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 2: We mentioned the Sprit weekend in Shanghai. I don't know 759 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: about you, but look, they're the only team that hasn't 760 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 2: scored a point yet Alpine, so it's not like he's 761 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 2: being massively outperformed by ghastly at this point. But this 762 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: feels like Jack may not score a point in Bahrain. 763 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 2: I don't know but this feels like a weekend where 764 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 2: he needs to be or just about made Q three, 765 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 2: like he's out by a tenth and a half or something, 766 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: and then he's in the conversation for perhaps that sort 767 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: of ninth to twelfth in the race. It's a circuit. 768 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: He's very familiar with this circuit. He's done reasonably well 769 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: in the past. You've been their preseason testing. A lot 770 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 2: of the usual rookie hurdles are out of the way 771 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: for him. This weekend he'll actually get too practice sessions. 772 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 2: So you know, there's no such thing as make or break, 773 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 2: and we know the stories of him being on a 774 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 2: short leash and so forth still bubbling away. But if 775 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: there was a chance for him to have a solid 776 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 2: weekend and perhaps still a point or two, this definitely 777 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 2: feels like it. 778 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. And in a similar 779 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: veay this being let's say a rookie friendly experience, not 780 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: only because the track's got lots of runoff all that 781 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: kind of thing, but then there's a preseason testing element 782 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: and this having been a regular feature in the junior series, 783 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: I think fascinating question this weekend is going to be 784 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: the Yuki Sonoda Liam laws In comparison, it was all 785 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: of the build up to the Japanese Grand Prix. It 786 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: was non stop through qualifying. It did stop a bit 787 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: in the race because obviously not a lot happened in 788 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: the race. But now we get a much cleaner situation. 789 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: It's not the first weekend back for both of them. 790 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: Yuki doesn't have his home race thing. Lem's not going 791 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: to be after are answering questions about being dropped, sort 792 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: of a more normal experience. Both of them obviously their 793 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: first experience of these cars at this track, so the 794 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: preseason element doesn't count, but all the other things should 795 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: be good in their respective favors. I think a really 796 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: big weekend to see what both of them are capable of. 797 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: Yuki Sono weirdly almost think you Snoda might be under 798 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: a little bit less pressure because I think think he 799 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: did prove a little bit in Japan. Liam Lawson relative 800 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: to Isaac Hadja is fascinating to me because Isaac's doing 801 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: such a good job no matter how tight his belts are. 802 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: It turns out I think it's actually going to be 803 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: even more challenging than perhaps even I thought. Liam going 804 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: back to that team for him to put in a 805 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: relatively competitive good showing. 806 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 2: I'm just sitting up a little more straight more seat 807 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 2: after thinking of that, Isaac Hadja qualifying. Oh no, let's 808 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 2: not go there. Yeah, I'd agree with you in that 809 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: I felt that there was some control and composure with 810 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 2: Sonoda at Suzuka, given the stakes and the crowd and 811 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 2: the first time out with Red Bull and being at 812 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 2: home and so on and so forth. I don't think 813 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 2: he's been conservative, but their ramifications of getting it wrong 814 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 2: at Suzuka are pretty severe. As we know. Bahrain is 815 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,439 Speaker 2: the complete opposite, of course, because you've got so many 816 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 2: of these corners where you can take a risk and 817 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 2: there's a shopping center car park on the outside where 818 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 2: you can just run off and rejoin again. So perhaps 819 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 2: we see him push things a little bit more this 820 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 2: weekend and that could have, you know, on extreme or 821 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 2: the other in terms of results. But he really needs 822 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 2: to be in Q two sorry Q three for mine 823 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 2: to you know, Suzuka was all the caveats that you 824 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,439 Speaker 2: mentioned before. I think he needs to be a little 825 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 2: bit better, but the lawsome thing. I'm looking at this 826 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 2: more in the context of I'm not sure too many 827 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 2: of us thought that Isaac hajo would be this quick, 828 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: this quickly. He's been excellent so far, and look, we 829 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 2: know what happened at the start of the race in Australia, 830 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 2: and you know Helmet Marko and so on and so forth. 831 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 2: There's not don't need to go into that, but the 832 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 2: pace that he's shown over these first three weekends for 833 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 2: a guy who came through F two with a reputation 834 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,319 Speaker 2: of being a bit spiky emotionally and perhaps a little 835 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 2: bit radic, he's been really, really, quite good. And so 836 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: I think every result that Lawson gets, obviously back in 837 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: a team that he's more familiar with, needs to be 838 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,959 Speaker 2: looked at through the prism of what Hajar is doing. 839 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 2: Because to my mind, Hajar has been terrific and Lawson 840 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 2: we've seen that it's there because he's done it over 841 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 2: the course of his cameos in the past couple of seasons. 842 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 2: But he needs to be back on that speed pretty quickly, 843 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 2: because the thing about that racing balls car, when you 844 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 2: watch it on track, it actually looks, you know, less 845 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 2: difficult to drive than some of the other cars that 846 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 2: we see that are being man handled or are just 847 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 2: playing slow. It looks like a pretty drivable sort of 848 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 2: a car, and I think Hajar's performance is in that 849 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 2: probably spelled that out. So yeah, I would expect Lawson 850 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 2: a lot of pressure off. You know, the conversations of 851 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 2: seven days ago was suddenly going to change, aren't they 852 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 2: this weekend because he's more settled, But big weekend for 853 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 2: probably more lawso than Sonoda, I would say, because I 854 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 2: think Yuki can comported himself pretty well at Suzuka laws 855 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: and we need to see a bit of an Upticknate 856 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 2: with relative to who he's driving within the other car. 857 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: And at a minimum, there's no one really a replace 858 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: with but Laws and there are options, So there's always 859 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: more pressure racing balls, isn't there. You wouldn't think if 860 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: you think it'd be longer than two races. 861 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 2: Well, Isaac haj said that he'd be ready to step 862 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 2: up to Red Bull if need, so you can always 863 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 2: be play that card by about round seven or something. 864 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 2: We haven't had a time to change for a while. 865 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 2: But after that then, yeah, the cup's pretty bare, isn't it. 866 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: You wouldn't put it past anyone, would you. So maybe 867 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,879 Speaker 1: that's a good point before we wrap this one up 868 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 1: and let's look at the complete home filtration crystal ball. 869 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,439 Speaker 1: What we've got to look forward to in the next week. 870 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of action this week. In fact, 871 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: all three of our categories F one, Motor GP and 872 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: supercars are in action. Kick us off, what are you 873 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 1: predicting for the next week of racing. 874 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 2: I'm predicting that my double espresso consumption on Monday may 875 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 2: reach world record levels given we have a one am 876 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 2: Formula One race followed by a three am Motor GP race. 877 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 2: Also can as an aside, why have two World championships 878 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty k's apart on the on the 879 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 2: map which I actually looked at and went their basically 880 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: could drive from one to the other almost inte both. 881 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 2: But my crystal ball has been mostly broken so far 882 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 2: this year because my crystal ball keeps telling me Lewis 883 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 2: Hamilton's going to be on a Grand Prix podium and 884 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 2: it doesn't happen. So I'm going to stay with the 885 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 2: podium theme and I'm going to say that Sunday in 886 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 2: Bahrain is going to be Kimmi Andtonelli's first Formula One 887 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 2: and he's going to finish third. 888 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: Go for it. He was just predicting the wrong Lewis 889 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: Hamilton car you're talking. 890 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 2: About, Yes, yes, the successor not the incompany. Yes, yes, 891 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 2: I'm saying Kimmiy Antonelli is going to end up on 892 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 2: a Formula One podium sooner rather than later, and it 893 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 2: could be as soon as Monday morning Australian time. 894 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: Well, I would love to see it, and he did 895 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: have a good weekend in Suzuka in the end, despite 896 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: starting on the back foot, actually ended up doing really 897 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 1: quite well. And I think we're seeing pretty much every 898 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: round why Mercedes rates him so highly. I'm going to 899 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: go towards the back end of the points and I 900 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: am going to say in the points, to hark back 901 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 1: to something we were talking about earlier, I think this 902 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: is Jack Dowin's first points this weekend. I feel like 903 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: these are the circumstances for them. I feel like that 904 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: he's already proven that one lap speed is there and 905 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 1: I think in the circumstance of Bahrain he'll be able 906 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: to show it. Should have pretty clean build up to it, 907 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: and then in the race. I mean the LPNE car 908 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: at some tracks just has the pace to do it 909 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: if they don't shoot themselves in the foot with strategy. 910 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: I think he can get it done. I think it'll 911 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: be important weekend for him to do it. I think 912 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 1: it'll certainly go quite a long way to changing the narrative. 913 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: It's still kind of lingers a little bit about these 914 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,840 Speaker 1: rumors about his seat, and look, it'd just be a 915 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,919 Speaker 1: good story, wouldn't it your rookies to score his first 916 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: points and from obviously to be Jack to And I 917 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,720 Speaker 1: think that'd be a good outcome. 918 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 2: Completely agreed. And there will certainly be a lot of 919 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 2: people listening to this podcast who are nodding their head 920 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 2: because look, the more Australians in Formula one the better. 921 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 2: And we know the journey that he's taken to get there, 922 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,439 Speaker 2: we know the pressure that he's been under. This would 923 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 2: go a long way to alleviate some of that. So 924 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 2: let's hope we get to see it. 925 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: On that note, that's all the time we have for 926 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: pit Talk today. You can subscribe to pit Talk wherever 927 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: you get your favorite podcasts, and you can leave us 928 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: a rating and review as well. And this weekend, as 929 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,839 Speaker 1: we said, is the bar Rain Grand Prix at one 930 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,360 Speaker 1: am is all in Australian Eastern Standard time. The Kat 931 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: a Grand Prix at three am and all weekend we've 932 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,479 Speaker 1: got supercars from New Zealand. That's actually more morning time, 933 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: so you might just have to get up early and 934 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: then roll through go to better around three pm in 935 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: the afternoon. That might be the best approach and you 936 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,440 Speaker 1: can keep up to date with all of it all 937 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: the lates steff on Supercars and what a GP news 938 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: at Fox Sports dot com dot Au from Matt Clayton 939 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: and me Michael Lomonado. Thank you very much for your company. 940 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week.