Speaker 1: Live from Israel, and this is a special edition of
Speaker 1: Shari Good Evening. I'm good Evening. I'm coming to you
Speaker 1: live from Jerusalem.
Speaker 2: Israel is at war, and there was a stark reminder
Speaker 2: of that overnight when on the anniversary of the October
Speaker 2: seven attacks, Israel was targeted with missiles in the south,
Speaker 2: north and.
Speaker 1: Over Tel Aviv.
Speaker 2: We were in an open field doing an interview when
Speaker 2: one missile was launched, and I'm going to tell you
Speaker 2: more about that dramatic moment later. I've got another very
Speaker 2: special show tonight, a big interview with former Israeli Prime
Speaker 2: Minister Ehud Olmit.
Speaker 1: He says it's time for the war to end and.
Speaker 2: Reveals that his sources tell him the Hamas leader could
Speaker 2: be dead now his a rival to Nettan Yahoo, so
Speaker 2: he has a different view on how the war.
Speaker 1: Should play out.
Speaker 2: He also takes a subt or dig at our own
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, Anthony Albanezi. I've also got tonight an incredible
Speaker 2: story of two young women who were hunted down by
Speaker 2: hermas at the Nova Music Festival and miraculously survived.
Speaker 1: Four hundred were killed that day.
Speaker 2: Also on the show, family members of the nine month
Speaker 2: old baby taken hostage in Gaza speak to me sharing
Speaker 2: their hope that baby Kafa and brother Ariel are still alive.
Speaker 2: And Israeli politician Sharen Haskell will join me live here
Speaker 2: in Jerusalem along with distinguished veteran of the Prime Minister's Office,
Speaker 2: Danny Seaman. This is a special week of programming from Israel,
Speaker 2: and you don't want to miss any of it. Well, first,
Speaker 2: let's start with the beautiful vigils that took place around
Speaker 2: the world to remember the October seven massacre. In Sydney,
Speaker 2: twelve thousand people gathered in Dover Heights where Peter day
Speaker 2: And has been widely praised for his powerful speech.
Speaker 3: We are on the side of civilization over barbarity, and
Speaker 3: that is why every Australian, drawing on their instinct of
Speaker 3: decency and affair go must join with Jewish Australians to
Speaker 3: reject the anti Semitism.
Speaker 1: That is real leadership.
Speaker 2: In Melbourne, eight thousand came together an individual where Zionist
Speaker 2: Victoria President Yossi Goldfarb said anti Semitism had been allowed
Speaker 2: to fester under weak leadership.
Speaker 4: There is a permissiveness that has led anti Semitism fester
Speaker 4: a permissiveness encouraged by weak and.
Speaker 5: Ambiguous expositions of our foreign policy.
Speaker 2: Would have known that the Prime Minister was in the
Speaker 2: audience now, I'm told the event ran around two hours overtime,
Speaker 2: perhaps punishment for Albinizi, who couldn't possibly have left early
Speaker 2: and had to sit through.
Speaker 1: All the criticism.
Speaker 2: But after all the aggressive pro Hamas protests we've seen,
Speaker 2: where hatred and terror is celebrated, it's such a contrast
Speaker 2: to see these beautiful, peaceful events. They were attended by
Speaker 2: both Jews and Christian Australians standing in solidarity against evil.
Speaker 2: The major memorial event in Israel was held in Tel Aviv,
Speaker 2: organized by the families who lost loved ones a year ago.
Speaker 2: No politicians invited. This was a people's event. They were
Speaker 2: meant to be around fifty thousand attending, but fears of
Speaker 2: a strike against Israel meant it was closed to the public. Instead,
Speaker 2: only the family and friends of those who were murdered
Speaker 2: were there, and the event was beamed across Israel to millions.
Speaker 2: Many gathered in parks to mourn together, and Israel was
Speaker 2: on high alert yesterday, and it turned out there was
Speaker 2: good reason for that. There were three attacks targeting central
Speaker 2: Israel on this sacred day of the October seventh anniversary.
Speaker 2: Security was tight at this peaceful memorial event, and as
Speaker 2: it was getting underway, I was speaking with a father
Speaker 2: who'd lost four family members at Kibbutzbery.
Speaker 1: Suddenly there were sirens.
Speaker 2: Yemen was attacking Israel with a surface missile.
Speaker 1: And here's how that unfolded. Is that lucky or you?
Speaker 6: Did you have it locked?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 7: We didn't.
Speaker 2: Are you still filming, Chris? Okay, we're hearing sirens overhead.
Speaker 2: We've just been told to get down on the ground
Speaker 2: and cover our heads, which is what we're doing. We're
Speaker 2: at the memorial ceremony for those who lost their lives
Speaker 2: on the October seven attack a year ago and hasn't
Speaker 2: even started yet, and the siren rates have gone off.
Speaker 1: This means there's an incoming rocket.
Speaker 2: We've all been told to get down and put our
Speaker 2: hands in our heads. Something did you expect this tonight?
Speaker 7: We expected won't open, but we knew it could open.
Speaker 2: Siren sounded at one hundred and ninety three locations around Israel,
Speaker 2: and families had to bunker down.
Speaker 1: In bomb shelters.
Speaker 2: The Iron Dome thankfully, intercepted the missile, but if Israel
Speaker 2: didn't have such a sophisticated defense system, the death toll
Speaker 2: would be unimaginable. The frailty of life in Israel is
Speaker 2: all too real for those whose family members were murdered
Speaker 2: or taken hostage.
Speaker 1: A year ago, I spoke with the family of baby
Speaker 1: Kafir and Ariel.
Speaker 2: They became a heartbreaking symbol of October seven, bewildered, terrify
Speaker 2: fight as they were taken hostage while in their mother's arms.
Speaker 2: One year on their faith unknown, their family desperate for answers.
Speaker 1: Do you believe they're still alive?
Speaker 8: I just can hope so, because we are well, we
Speaker 8: all saw what happened in the tunnels. That are not eating,
Speaker 8: that are not vaccinated, have no condition to live there.
Speaker 7: I hopefully, I'm hopefully.
Speaker 8: Praying that they that will be all right, because maybe
Speaker 8: the children, maybe somebody that has children, maybe they are
Speaker 8: pity for them and.
Speaker 7: Will treat them. But I don't know. We are we
Speaker 7: are dealing here with our terror organization.
Speaker 2: There are reports that they might not be with Hamas,
Speaker 2: that they might actually be with another terrorist group in Gaza.
Speaker 7: That's what we heard, that's what you do.
Speaker 8: In the beginning, it was that they was taken by
Speaker 8: another group of terror.
Speaker 2: Baby ka the world's youngest hostage.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can see him here. It was I was
Speaker 7: the picture here.
Speaker 2: What's your message to the international community.
Speaker 8: Help us, please? There is no time for them a
Speaker 8: year in captivity. Nobody can understand that. And what is
Speaker 8: purting a pressure on us? Put the pressure on all
Speaker 8: the other countries. Open your eyes.
Speaker 7: I can I can't understand that it is not baby
Speaker 7: is kidnapped. Baby.
Speaker 8: It's not a soldier, it's not a pilot, it's not everything.
Speaker 8: It's a little baby. Look at him, Look at him.
Speaker 8: It was only on his hand. You also the famous
Speaker 8: picture of Cherry holding the two children in their arms.
Speaker 7: Yeah, heartbreaking, But how can it be How can somebody
Speaker 7: a man or I.
Speaker 8: Don't know, to take them the mother with the two
Speaker 8: sons together, Adam, they are monsters, not humans.
Speaker 7: Everybody should understand what we are dealing here with.
Speaker 8: And I don't understand why the what is not that
Speaker 8: does not understand.
Speaker 2: That monsters to kidnap a nine month old baby, the
Speaker 2: Bibber's family there, as you can see, making a desperate
Speaker 2: plea through us on sky News for the world to
Speaker 2: pay attention and every parent around the world should feel
Speaker 2: agony at the thought of a little baby trapped in
Speaker 2: the grips of terrorists. I also spoke last night to
Speaker 2: the family of twenty year old Nataniel Young, who was
Speaker 2: killed while fighting off Hamas in the South.
Speaker 9: Mataw our son was one of the first to go
Speaker 9: out from that base to try and.
Speaker 6: Fight against the terrorists.
Speaker 9: They didn't know there were so many of them and
Speaker 9: amongst the undergrowth, the undergrowth, I must basically ambushed his
Speaker 9: unit there.
Speaker 10: Found out halfway through the day that so now had
Speaker 10: been taken to a hospital and we didn't know which
Speaker 10: hospital where. It gave me relief that first of all,
Speaker 10: he wasn't dead and he hadn't been taken hostage, because
Speaker 10: at that point we had already heard of some people
Speaker 10: had been taken hostage. So we kind of thought, Okay,
Speaker 10: so he's broken his leg, it will get better, everything
Speaker 10: will be fine. But then we got more worried as
Speaker 10: he still wasn't answering his fire drove.
Speaker 4: As I'm getting to the hospital, I see the rockets
Speaker 4: flying over my head. And when I got to the hospital,
Speaker 4: the uh it turned out that I'd got there too
Speaker 4: late night, and now had already been had already been
Speaker 4: pronounced dead, and you know, I hadn't had the opportunity
Speaker 4: to say goodbye to him.
Speaker 2: Actress and International Anti Semitism Campaign, and Noah Tishue was
Speaker 2: also the memorial, and she spoke of how Hamas folled
Speaker 2: Israel and the world into thinking it wanted peace when
Speaker 2: the entire time it was planning an attack on Israel.
Speaker 11: The entire time they are fortifying underneath Gaza, building tunnels
Speaker 11: that are larger than the subway system of New York
Speaker 11: City and planning to destroy the state of Israel and
Speaker 11: destroy their.
Speaker 12: Own people, Yrias and more.
Speaker 11: Hamas basically sacrificed Gaza. He knew the devastation that is
Speaker 11: going to happen, and he got exactly what he wanted.
Speaker 2: There's so much resilience in Israel, this determination to survive,
Speaker 2: and no matter people's political opinions, there does seem to
Speaker 2: be widespread support to defeat the terrorists. Do you think
Speaker 2: that's right? I think that's one hundred percent right.
Speaker 11: And you know why, it's exactly why the same lyrics
Speaker 11: of this song, this song is called I Don't have
Speaker 11: Another Country and The thing is that for the Jewish people,
Speaker 11: there is no Plan B.
Speaker 1: We don't have another country.
Speaker 6: They are Jews everywhere in the world.
Speaker 11: They are accepted and assimilated in many places in the world.
Speaker 11: But they all know that to some extent, the state
Speaker 11: of Israel is an insurance policy for every single Jew.
Speaker 6: Around the world.
Speaker 2: And everybody here knows that there are.
Speaker 11: Nine million people that live in this country, seven million
Speaker 11: Jews and two million Arabs, and they know that there's
Speaker 11: no other country. So Iran and its proxy's really miscalculated
Speaker 11: the Jews of Israel and really miscalculated the resiliency of
Speaker 11: the people who live here.
Speaker 2: No, you came on my show right before October seventh
Speaker 2: last year and we.
Speaker 1: Had a conversation about antisemitism.
Speaker 6: We've seen that in.
Speaker 2: Spades over the past year, and we've seen the pro
Speaker 2: Palestinian activists, really pro Hamas activists, because we all are
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian, but the pro Hamas activists pretend that.
Speaker 1: They're anti Zionists, but that is being anti Jew.
Speaker 6: I believe that at.
Speaker 11: The moment, a year into October seventh, nobody is misunderstanding
Speaker 11: that antisignism is antisemitism.
Speaker 2: Criticizing of the State of Israel.
Speaker 11: Criticism of the State of Israel, criticism of Israeli policies
Speaker 11: or politicians.
Speaker 1: Is completely valid.
Speaker 11: There's a lot of discussion on the debate that is
Speaker 11: happening in Israel.
Speaker 1: That is what a.
Speaker 2: Flourishing democracy is about.
Speaker 11: But denying Israel's right to exist, this disproportionate.
Speaker 1: Obsession with the state of Israel, this.
Speaker 11: Attributing the greatest evils in the world to the single
Speaker 11: Jewish state in the world. Saying that Israel's committing a
Speaker 11: genocide is preposterous. Designism and antisemitism are indistinguishable. One is
Speaker 11: the other, and I do believe that people understand this
Speaker 11: more now than they did when I was on your show.
Speaker 2: So the lesson we wish we didn't have to learn,
Speaker 2: thank you so much now.
Speaker 13: I'am s.
Speaker 2: No, And the point she makes is absolutely right. How
Speaker 2: is it that unprecedented racism against Jews has exploded around
Speaker 2: the world in reaction to what is truly a genocide
Speaker 2: against israelis a year ago, we've all felt the darkness
Speaker 2: of the racism being allowed, at first to fester and
Speaker 2: then to explode in our streets, left unchecked by politicians
Speaker 2: and law enforcement.
Speaker 1: But seeing the tens of thousands.
Speaker 2: Who did attend the October seven commemorations around Australia and
Speaker 2: the world gives us hope that good will prevail. The
Speaker 2: Jews are not alone, and that the fight against terror
Speaker 2: isn't just a paddle for Israel, but one for democracy,
Speaker 2: values and freedom around the world. The barbarity and depravity
Speaker 2: of October seven shows us that there's no room for failure.
Speaker 2: This is a battle that has to be won.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: In breaking news, I can reveal that Prime Minister Benjamin
Speaker 2: Netanyahoo and his senior ministers are locked in bunker room
Speaker 2: urgent national security talks.
Speaker 1: We can presume this is.
Speaker 2: Finalizing Israel's strike against Iran after it launched two hundred
Speaker 2: missiles against Israel last week. Now, some Israeli politicians are
Speaker 2: urging for a strike on Around's nuclear sites, like Sharan Haskell.
Speaker 1: Who'll join me life here in a moment.
Speaker 2: But others, like my next guest, former Israeli Prime Minister
Speaker 2: Ehud Olmert, don't agree. Olmert is a fierce rival of Netanyahu's.
Speaker 2: He was Israel's twelfth prime minister from two thousand and
Speaker 2: six to two thousand and nine, including during the Second
Speaker 2: Lebanon War, and here's what he had to say, how
Speaker 2: do you see this war playing out?
Speaker 14: I think that is about time to end it. I
Speaker 14: think that Israel did a great deal in breaking down
Speaker 14: the Hamas military power. We destroyed most of the tunnels
Speaker 14: that were underground in different parts of the city. We
Speaker 14: destroyed most of their military units. Perhaps they are still
Speaker 14: here and there a few Hamas fighters, but by and large,
Speaker 14: I think to the extent that you can destroy a
Speaker 14: terrorist organization hiding in the center of town with the
Speaker 14: civilian population and in tunnels without any identified characteristics that
Speaker 14: can distinguish them from the population. I think we've done
Speaker 14: everything that we can do entirely, and now the main
Speaker 14: thing is to bring back the hostages.
Speaker 2: Well that's what I was going to ask you, mister Ahmad.
Speaker 2: Can the war end until the hostages are home?
Speaker 14: If we will not agree to end the war, we
Speaker 14: will not have the hostages.
Speaker 2: You think they can only come home through a negotiated ceasefire.
Speaker 14: Absolutely, to look at it from the point of view
Speaker 14: of Sineua, he's a matther. I hate him as everyone
Speaker 14: hates him.
Speaker 12: But do you.
Speaker 14: Expect him to agree to return back the hostage before
Speaker 14: he gets what he thinks is the best for him.
Speaker 2: But doesn't that leave him in power and in control.
Speaker 14: I don't think so. I think that Number one, I
Speaker 14: think that at this point, the loss of tens of
Speaker 14: thousands of his people, the loss of all of us,
Speaker 14: all of his weapons, loss of almost all of his tunnels,
Speaker 14: the infrastructure, everything that they built for years and years
Speaker 14: and years, I think weakened him dramatically. If he's still alive,
Speaker 14: by the way, which I'm not certain about.
Speaker 2: You think he could be dead. Yeah, Israeli intelligence must
Speaker 2: know the answer to that.
Speaker 14: Yeah, But Israeli intelligence does know the answer, which means
Speaker 14: that they haven't tracked him for the last few weeks,
Speaker 14: and he hasn't shown any signs of living.
Speaker 2: But your confidential sources tell you that he could be dead.
Speaker 2: He could be dead, And then there has been no
Speaker 2: sign of him in the past.
Speaker 14: No for sure, but he could be dead.
Speaker 2: Amazing, that's increable.
Speaker 14: And so I think that that is what we can
Speaker 14: achieve in the military operation, and it doesn't bring the
Speaker 14: hostages make so we need to do something extraorinary, And
Speaker 14: the only thing excelery now is to end the war
Speaker 14: and bring them back.
Speaker 2: What about Hezblah on the north. So they're not defeated yet,
Speaker 2: so shouldn't that military campaign continue?
Speaker 14: The question is up to wear. The main thing that
Speaker 14: we have to answer ourselves, first of all is what
Speaker 14: is the strategy. So you have to think of an arrangement,
Speaker 14: the diplomatic process possibly that will allow them to pull
Speaker 14: out away from the body, you know, to across the
Speaker 14: Titania River and furthermore, and that will allow us to
Speaker 14: bring back the people living in the north to their homes.
Speaker 2: We're expecting to see imminently in Israeli retaliation strike on Iran.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that.
Speaker 14: Israeli retaliation in Iran is inevitable? It's as simple as
Speaker 14: that Iran has attacked as well, with approximately two hundred
Speaker 14: bai sticknissiles last week. This is not something that in
Speaker 14: the context of the Middle East, in the framework of
Speaker 14: the principles that characterism, at least not answering that will
Speaker 14: be inevitably perceived by the Iranians to be a short
Speaker 14: weakness which we trigger more ticts. On this state of visa.
Speaker 2: I'd like to ask you about the United States. We've
Speaker 2: got an election coming up. There have been concerns in
Speaker 2: the Jewish community that Kamala Harris might not be great
Speaker 2: for Israel. Do you have a view on this.
Speaker 14: I haven't seen any indication as of yet that she
Speaker 14: will not be good for Israel.
Speaker 2: Okay. In Australia, while we're on international politics, in Australia,
Speaker 2: the Albanesi government has been fairly hostile to Israel over
Speaker 2: the past year, in particular. You know how much of
Speaker 2: a portrayal is this.
Speaker 12: Look.
Speaker 14: I don't. I'm not familiar with the specifics of the
Speaker 14: Australian policy and whatever statements may have been made by
Speaker 14: the Prime Minister or the senior ministers. Australia used to
Speaker 14: be traditionally a great friend of.
Speaker 7: His, so he was.
Speaker 1: Indeed, you know all of the.
Speaker 14: Prime ministers that I work who is and I you
Speaker 14: were very friendly to Israel. And Joel Howard I remember him,
Speaker 14: was a great, great friend of Israel. I think that
Speaker 14: Tony Arapus, mister Turnbull was, Julia Kila.
Speaker 2: Virtually every prime minister has been up until this one.
Speaker 14: So I hope that I hope that he will change
Speaker 14: his attitude.
Speaker 2: Almad really appreciate your time. Thank you very much.
Speaker 15: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring it now Israeli and p Sharon Haskell,
Speaker 2: who's with me live in Jerusalem. Sharen, great to see
Speaker 2: you in person. Welcome to the show. I had to
Speaker 2: come all wait to Israel to meet you face to fay.
Speaker 5: You know, it's wonderful to meet you, and thank you
Speaker 5: so much for being so brave to come to Israel
Speaker 5: during these difficult times.
Speaker 1: Of course, and in solidarity with this great nation. Now
Speaker 1: I want to ask.
Speaker 2: You, on this sacred day yesterday, the anniversary of October seven,
Speaker 2: we saw Israel come under attack in the north, south
Speaker 2: and over Tel Aviv.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us how hostile this was? Well, look,
Speaker 1: the last.
Speaker 6: Two weeks has been difficult.
Speaker 5: There's direct attacks from Iran Yemen, from Syria, from Lebanon
Speaker 5: and from Commas in the south. I'll tell you as
Speaker 5: a mother, it's been really difficult because you know, yesterday
Speaker 5: you've experienced the rockets, the interception in the middle of
Speaker 5: Tel Aviv. You had to hide. How do you communicate
Speaker 5: that's the children to two year old, my two year old, twin,
Speaker 5: my three year old. We have to run in the
Speaker 5: middle of the night into shelters. And I think that's
Speaker 5: the most difficult thing. I mean, we're tough, We're really
Speaker 5: tough people. We can endure that, but the effect that
Speaker 5: it has on our children is what really difficult for
Speaker 5: us personally.
Speaker 2: And I knew that there were constant barrage of rockets
Speaker 2: coming from Hesbalaaren to the North, but I had no
Speaker 2: idea the extent of it until I was here.
Speaker 1: Because you know, I keep talking about this app that
Speaker 1: you have on.
Speaker 2: Your phone and it pings whenever there's an incoming missile,
Speaker 2: and all day long it pings. The majority are from
Speaker 2: the North. Yeah, all day, all night. The North has
Speaker 2: been under attack for the last year, and the international
Speaker 2: community has promised Israel a diplomatic solution. That's why we
Speaker 2: tie our hands.
Speaker 5: Towns were destroyed, city were destroyed, People are evacuated from
Speaker 5: their home, tens of thousands of refugees, people were murdered.
Speaker 5: Children were murdered by those rockets, and they send them
Speaker 5: every single day.
Speaker 1: And so enough is enough.
Speaker 5: Just two weeks ago we said we have to operate
Speaker 5: in order to bring back the safety.
Speaker 1: And the security to a northern border. And that's what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 2: Right now, everyone just forgets the twelve Israeli Drewor's children
Speaker 2: who were killed on the soccer field. Why we should
Speaker 2: families in Israel, you know, have to put up with this?
Speaker 2: They need to clearly eliminate the terror threat. Sharon, I
Speaker 2: want to ask you about Iran. Clearly, the net and
Speaker 2: Yahoo government must be right now in discussions with the
Speaker 2: United States about how to respond to Iran. We're expecting
Speaker 2: that response in the next few days. Probably. Initially there
Speaker 2: was discussion, and I spoke with Naftali Bennett yesterday. He
Speaker 2: thought the strike should be on Iran's nuclear sites to
Speaker 2: stop its nuclear development program. But now we're hearing in
Speaker 2: the New York Times that it looks like it's going
Speaker 2: to be on military sites.
Speaker 1: If you can believe those reports, What do you think
Speaker 1: should happen and what do you think will happen.
Speaker 5: I think that this is a regional opportunity, not just
Speaker 5: a regional opportunity. This is an opportunity to make a
Speaker 5: safer world for all of us. Iran is the leading
Speaker 5: force of radical Islam. It's spreading in tentacles everywhere. You
Speaker 5: see what they're doing now in Iraq, trying to create
Speaker 5: a coupe in Jordan. It's only a matter of time
Speaker 5: now think about this regime with nuclear power. This is
Speaker 5: an opportunity for the international community to make sure that
Speaker 5: in five ten years the world is safer. And I
Speaker 5: believe we need to target those nuclear reactors that Iran
Speaker 5: has been building for years now, and we need to
Speaker 5: target their missiles warehouse as a missiles factory. This will
Speaker 5: create a more stable Middle East and a safer world
Speaker 5: for all of us, for all.
Speaker 6: Of our children.
Speaker 2: I know you and your political allies advocating that position
Speaker 2: with the current government.
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, there's been many voices, including mine and my
Speaker 5: party members to try and advocate for that. I think
Speaker 5: that obviously it needs to come in cooperation with the
Speaker 5: United States.
Speaker 1: And it's my reselection at the moment.
Speaker 2: So you wouldn't have thought the Democrats would have the
Speaker 2: appetite for a war with Iran.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, but they won't have another opportunity like that. And
Speaker 5: as the Iranian leadership they only call Israel the little devil,
Speaker 5: America is the big devil. America is their main target
Speaker 5: and they will not have another opportunity like that.
Speaker 2: Look, I want to finish by asking you about ANRA,
Speaker 2: the United Nations Aid Organization. As my viewers know, all
Speaker 2: too well. Penny Wong has given eighty two million dollars.
Speaker 2: This is hard earned tax pay dollars, eighty two million
Speaker 2: dollars to Gaza since October seventh attacks on Israel. It's
Speaker 2: inexplicable millions of that has gone to ANRA. This is
Speaker 2: an issue or a fight that you personally are involved in.
Speaker 1: What are you doing well?
Speaker 5: Right now, we're passing a legislation now will disconnect the ministries,
Speaker 5: the Defense Ministry and the Foreign Ministry from communicating with UNRA.
Speaker 5: ANRA is a compromised organization that was taken over by
Speaker 5: Ramas by a terrorist organization. Through UNRA, Haramas is controlling
Speaker 5: annating the entire population of Gaza. That's how they recruit
Speaker 5: terrorists into their army of terror. And we have to
Speaker 5: dismantle that if we do, if we want a different future. Now,
Speaker 5: understanding that that's what needs to happen and knowing the
Speaker 5: actions of Penny Wong and the current government is heartbreaking
Speaker 5: because just two days ago Hamas had said that when
Speaker 5: Israel eliminated a senior commander, he was the head of
Speaker 5: the unions of teacher.
Speaker 1: Of ANRA in Lebanon.
Speaker 5: Okay, it means that Penny Wog is paying the salaries
Speaker 5: of terrorists of Hamas High Commander activists on the one hand,
Speaker 5: while it's sending condolences on the other.
Speaker 1: You can't have it both ways.
Speaker 5: You have to choose whether you fight those radical Islamist voices,
Speaker 5: those terrorists who.
Speaker 1: Want to take saying Australia's funding terrorism through anra absolutely
Speaker 1: and they know that.
Speaker 2: All right, Sharen Haskell, It's been so wonderful meeting you
Speaker 2: in person and having you on the show.
Speaker 1: Here in Jerusalem.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Now lots more to come on the show.
Speaker 2: After the break, I sit down with two young women
Speaker 2: who miraculously managed to outsmart her Musk terrorists who are
Speaker 2: hunting them down.
Speaker 1: At the Nova Music Festival.
Speaker 2: These are extraordinary stories. You do not want to miss
Speaker 2: this interview.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 13: Well.
Speaker 2: The Nova Music Festival site went from a celebration of
Speaker 2: love and music to a graveyard. Four hundred young Israeli's
Speaker 2: gun down. Two young girls managed to escape death as
Speaker 2: they hid from her muss Now a warning, these interviews
Speaker 2: in this story are quite confronting.
Speaker 13: My name is Milled and I'm a Nova survivor.
Speaker 12: I am as Altaso. I am a nova survivor.
Speaker 6: Millett, How does it feel to be back here a
Speaker 6: year on?
Speaker 13: The flashbacks are more intense, and I think that we
Speaker 13: never imagine that I've SI a full year, we will
Speaker 13: still have so many people being held captive. I still
Speaker 13: can't believe that it happened like that and that so
Speaker 13: many beautiful angels were taken away from us.
Speaker 6: Muzzle?
Speaker 2: How different is this space for you compared to how
Speaker 2: you remember it before the terror attack?
Speaker 1: Wow? What was that I'm doing?
Speaker 6: This is ours?
Speaker 12: There's ours are yeah? Okay, well it's crazy. It is
Speaker 12: everything was here, like tent and beautiful people and music.
Speaker 12: And I don't believe that one year left, Like it's
Speaker 12: crazy because I feel like I'm still in seventh of
Speaker 12: October twenty three, you know, and don't move on.
Speaker 6: When did you realize there was something wrong? On the
Speaker 6: morning of October seventh?
Speaker 13: You realize that something's wrong as soon as they stop
Speaker 13: the music. You understand that something is wrong. And then
Speaker 13: you see terrorists, and then you see more and you think,
Speaker 13: Cather is what ten terrorists? Forty terrorists a hundred, and
Speaker 13: you see more and more people being and the hours
Speaker 13: just goes by and their brutality, how cruel they are
Speaker 13: and rootless, and I think I could have never imagined
Speaker 13: that there are people that are that evil in the world.
Speaker 12: We have bended our car and run to the road.
Speaker 12: We'd hope that we escape from the terrorists that come
Speaker 12: from one direction from this point. And when we reach
Speaker 12: to the road, we get shot from the very directions.
Speaker 12: So they surrounding us and we land on the road hiding,
Speaker 12: run from car to car. You hear the shots like
Speaker 12: hit the.
Speaker 6: The cars, and they were choirs.
Speaker 12: As you start to hear the the Arabic stream, we
Speaker 12: get it that they really here and the road is
Speaker 12: not a safe place that we need to hide. All
Speaker 12: the people that all the people that stay in the
Speaker 12: under the cows not survived.
Speaker 13: I had to run for two hours. They are surrounding you.
Speaker 13: You just go back and forth in between terrorists and
Speaker 13: they're shooting from every direction. And whether you're gonna take
Speaker 13: one step to the or to delve will determine if
Speaker 13: you're gonna be murdered now or you're gonna survive another second.
Speaker 13: You survive it one second at a time.
Speaker 6: You looked for somewhere to hide. Where did you find.
Speaker 12: In the bushes inside the main road will end there.
Speaker 12: Hi and Danielle start to cover themselves with plans like that,
Speaker 12: and they do the same thing, and they feel not safe.
Speaker 12: So I turn around and protake my hand. And the
Speaker 12: terrorists went to the bushes, and he said in English,
Speaker 12: get up, get up, get up, you you you, and
Speaker 12: I bet I get the back of the weapon to
Speaker 12: my head.
Speaker 2: When the other terrorists came you, you were bleeding so
Speaker 2: much they assumed you were dead.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was with white shirt. All my back was
Speaker 12: blood because all my flash go out from this finger
Speaker 12: and this finger, and because my head was open also,
Speaker 12: and I assumed that she they saw my head and
Speaker 12: they saw all my back blood, so they think she
Speaker 12: don't make it. They start to talk with each other
Speaker 12: in Arabic, and one of them come close to me,
Speaker 12: and I felt that, so I holt my bread and
Speaker 12: he like, weve my face like that. My face was
Speaker 12: on the ground, like turn my fa my face look
Speaker 12: at me, I guess, and they go and they go.
Speaker 12: They also untied my legs like and they put their
Speaker 12: rocks like that, and they go. I was shut up
Speaker 12: them dying. I wake up after two hours and The
Speaker 12: first thing that they do is call my friend Danielle name,
Speaker 12: and they call her daniel Danielle, and she don't answer.
Speaker 12: So I get off my head and I saw she
Speaker 12: was dead.
Speaker 13: We found this small valley and we called under It
Speaker 13: is something between a tree and a bush that we
Speaker 13: found there.
Speaker 6: How long were you hiding in that valley?
Speaker 13: From six hours?
Speaker 6: And you could just hear the gunshots.
Speaker 13: All around you throughout the entire time they're shooting, they're
Speaker 13: surrounding us. You can still hear them screaming. You can
Speaker 13: still hear them, just can still hear them.
Speaker 6: And you can hear them now even in your mind.
Speaker 13: The thing that is most difficult for me, I can
Speaker 13: always hear in my mind this guy that was hiding
Speaker 13: near us, and how he screamed when they found him
Speaker 13: and shot him, and the fear of being raped.
Speaker 6: On the road.
Speaker 12: You see on the cars burn, you see buddies on
Speaker 12: the road. You don't believe that you are going out.
Speaker 2: And during this time when you were fighting to survive,
Speaker 2: you must have had your son in your mind as well.
Speaker 12: No, I don't think about nothing. I think about survive.
Speaker 12: I think if I was thinking about the fact that
Speaker 12: my son gonna lose his mom or something like that.
Speaker 12: I don't, I don't know. I don't. I don't think
Speaker 12: that I was survived.
Speaker 2: So you were in the valley, you hit there for
Speaker 2: six hours, you heard other people being murdered not far
Speaker 2: from where you were.
Speaker 6: How did you eventually get out of there.
Speaker 13: With the help of three amazing heroes, just civilians that
Speaker 13: volunteerily went in to rescue people with their own private cars.
Speaker 13: Leon Barr.
Speaker 6: Was this is very hard for you to talk about. Leon.
Speaker 13: Yeah, he after two days of rescuing people, he was murdered.
Speaker 2: A complete hero, amazing person to rescue so many lives.
Speaker 13: But at what cost?
Speaker 6: Do you think about him all the time?
Speaker 13: Yeah, he has children and wife, and.
Speaker 2: It's so distressing for you to talk about what happened
Speaker 2: to you a year ago. Why do you think it's
Speaker 2: important to share your story and and that of so
Speaker 2: many other people on this anniversary.
Speaker 12: I don't believe that one ear left. Let's begin with
Speaker 12: that one ear. Is crazy that we have still people
Speaker 12: there is crazy that the all the world don't open
Speaker 12: their eyes.
Speaker 2: Do you feel you're a very different person today than
Speaker 2: you were before October seven?
Speaker 13: It's not even very different, just not the same person
Speaker 13: at all. Just talk about it today. We look at
Speaker 13: videos for a year before and it was so sharp.
Speaker 13: One day you are this happy, positive, vivid person and
Speaker 13: the next day it's like someone murdered your soul.
Speaker 1: Are they incredible? Such powerful testimonies.
Speaker 2: And they've actually documented and shared their experiences with this
Speaker 2: virtual reality program, so you can watch some of what
Speaker 2: they went through. It's called Survived to tell be the witness.
Speaker 2: You should check it out if you can. They were
Speaker 2: lucky to survive October seven, but four hundred people weren't.
Speaker 2: Now still coming up on the show, another display of
Speaker 2: albanezis week leadership as Dutton condemns the Prime Minister for
Speaker 2: sitting on the fence when it comes to support for Israel.
Speaker 2: Ronwin Bishop and kayleb Bond would join me to discuss class.
Speaker 2: A veteran of the Prime Minister's office will be with
Speaker 2: me here in Jerusalem to talk about media bias.
Speaker 1: He saw so much of it that he wrote a book.
Speaker 2: That's after this quick break, Let's return home now, where
Speaker 2: I'm joined by former Speaker of the House Bronwyn Bishop
Speaker 2: and Sky News host kayleb Bond.
Speaker 1: Great to see both of you now.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister's October seven Terror Tack Condolence motion has
Speaker 2: passed the Parliament, but Peter Dutton was very critical of it.
Speaker 1: Bronwyn Bishop, what.
Speaker 2: Do you think about the accusations that Dutton made against
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister?
Speaker 13: Charry?
Speaker 16: I watched both those speeches today and I have to say,
Speaker 16: I think if mister Albanezi needs to see the stories
Speaker 16: that you are reporting, he needs to know how vile
Speaker 16: and horrific that attack on the seventh of October was
Speaker 16: and what it was designed to do. Peter Dutton's comments
Speaker 16: about mister Albenese he always wanting to speak about both
Speaker 16: sides of his mouth and talk walk both sides of
Speaker 16: the street, were absolutely well founded. He went to Albanesi
Speaker 16: in good faith and suggested they have a bipartisan motion
Speaker 16: in the House, but Albanese couldn't even agree to that.
Speaker 16: He had to put in his both sides of the
Speaker 16: street interpretation if the man has no empathy. It was,
Speaker 16: and it became even more dramatic, I suppose when you
Speaker 16: could see that he really was a poor prime minister
Speaker 16: behaving badly. When he turned and said somebody who was
Speaker 16: talking in the chamber did they have to write syndrome.
Speaker 16: I mean, how insulting, how insensitive? Where was the empathy none?
Speaker 16: So I just simply say that in watching Peter Dublin today,
Speaker 16: he stood there as a man of conviction henuity, believed
Speaker 16: he knew what he had to see, he knew that
Speaker 16: the things he had to uphold. Whereas Albaneze he read
Speaker 16: a crafted speech that had been written to him, but
Speaker 16: there was no conviction in it. It was saying the words.
Speaker 16: And so I felt very proud when I saw mister
Speaker 16: Duttlin's remark strong, purposeful prime ministerial.
Speaker 2: Look, Caleb, the Prime Minister presumably had good intentions, but
Speaker 2: there's no question that there's only one side of politics
Speaker 2: that has been an unwavering friend of Israel and the
Speaker 2: Jewish community over the past year.
Speaker 15: Indeed, and look, he could very well have got the
Speaker 15: point across which he wanted to make, which was about
Speaker 15: the loss of civilian lives in Gaza, in a completely
Speaker 15: separate motion that was done at a different time. How
Speaker 15: hard is it to have one motion today, the first
Speaker 15: sitting day after October the seventh, that simply says we commemorate,
Speaker 15: recognize the loss of life, that happened on October the seventh,
Speaker 15: that terror attack that happened on October the seventh, one
Speaker 15: year ago, and then come back and talk about the
Speaker 15: rest later on. They did not have to be put together.
Speaker 15: It was the easiest thing the Prime Minister could have
Speaker 15: done if he wanted to do both, to have bipartisan
Speaker 15: support for condemnation of October the seventh, but he couldn't
Speaker 15: even do that.
Speaker 2: Look, let's turn to the IBA now, because it seems
Speaker 2: that Albinizi is not just failing on the international stage,
Speaker 2: but he's doing the same with economic management. Rodwin Bishop,
Speaker 2: we are seeing concerns. This is from the RBA's last
Speaker 2: board minutes, that the outlook just isn't looking rosy.
Speaker 1: Well, it isn't chari.
Speaker 16: The fact of the matter is the problem remains what
Speaker 16: it's been all along. The RBA only has one tool,
Speaker 16: and that is interest rates, and it's a blunt instrument.
Speaker 16: But the government has fiscal policy and it has done
Speaker 16: nothing to reiin in its expenditure. It is added to
Speaker 16: expenditure which has kept the pressure up. It has created
Speaker 16: jobs that are government paid for jobs, so there's no
Speaker 16: productivity happening in the economy. So what we're seeing is
Speaker 16: the Reserve Bank just being honest until the government does,
Speaker 16: in fact rain in its expenditure, rain in the things
Speaker 16: that are still keeping inflation high that you can't expect
Speaker 16: the Reserve Bank to lower those interest rates. And it's
Speaker 16: hurting and it's hurting businesses, and it's hurting people who
Speaker 16: are the real generators of Wilson this country, the private sector,
Speaker 16: whereas all they're interested in is the unions and the
Speaker 16: public sector. They have no care whatsoever really making a
Speaker 16: remedy that can be in fact helping people get back
Speaker 16: on their feet. So they just blame supermarkets, they blame
Speaker 16: the Reserve Bank, improve everybody else's fault. It's never their
Speaker 16: fault until they take responsibility or until they're made to
Speaker 16: or chucked out simples to government, we won't get back
Speaker 16: to sensible policies.
Speaker 2: All right, Look, we're actually out of time at Caleb Bond.
Speaker 2: I'll get to you next Tuesday when I'm back in Australia.
Speaker 2: Thank you both for your time this evening. Now, we've
Speaker 2: still got more to come on the show tonight. This
Speaker 2: country is fighting for survival, the war opening up on
Speaker 2: multiple fronts. Yet the ABC and other media outlets continue
Speaker 2: to falsely paint Israel as the aggressor. Veteran the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister's office, Danny Seaman will join me after this quick break.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to bring in now Danny Seaman, a
Speaker 2: thirty year veteran in the office.
Speaker 1: Of the Prime Minister of Israel.
Speaker 2: He's also the author of the book Israel and the
Speaker 2: Foreign Media, which perhaps could be called Israel and the
Speaker 2: Fake News Media.
Speaker 1: Danny, welcome to the program, pleasure.
Speaker 2: Look, I want to start with the Prime Minister, Benjamin Ettaya,
Speaker 2: who he gets a very bad wrap in the international press.
Speaker 2: The polls here in Israel show that he has solidified support,
Speaker 2: particularly during the war.
Speaker 1: He has shown strong leadership.
Speaker 17: He has always and that's what people don't get abroad.
Speaker 17: What they get from abroad are two things. How it's
Speaker 17: newspaper in English which is very political, and from the
Speaker 17: foreign press who get their information. And I know this
Speaker 17: as they have being been director of the government Press Office.
Speaker 17: We pulled the foreign journalists here what are their influences?
Speaker 17: One hundred percent of those who responded over two hundre
Speaker 17: and some journalists foreigners said that they get their influence
Speaker 17: only from Haaretz newspaper, So you're getting that version of
Speaker 17: Israeli reality, not.
Speaker 1: To my views.
Speaker 2: Back on how Aretz is the most left leaning newspaper
Speaker 2: in Israel, it's basically anti Israel.
Speaker 1: It's basically the ABC that's our public broadcast in Australia.
Speaker 17: They're very much on the same line. And so that's
Speaker 17: what you're getting in reality here, and this is a
Speaker 17: reality and it's not portrayed abroad, is that the majority
Speaker 17: of the public here for years now have been very supportive,
Speaker 17: very conservative, and very to the right of center. And
Speaker 17: then Taniel reflects those desires. Are we happy with everything? No,
Speaker 17: but there are two things happening now. We're in a war,
Speaker 17: an existential threat to our country, So always you come
Speaker 17: back behind the government. But he's also a leader in
Speaker 17: the eyes of Israelis of international standing, once in a
Speaker 17: generation leader, and we see him running the battlefield here
Speaker 17: at the same time stealing off all this opposition to
Speaker 17: him among a very small minority of Israeli's you don't
Speaker 17: get abroad.
Speaker 2: His speeches to both the Congress and the United Nations
Speaker 2: have been highly impressive, and I think he's also held
Speaker 2: his own We are seeing increasingly weak international leaders, whether
Speaker 2: it's the United States, perhaps because of the upcoming election
Speaker 2: in Europe, certainly in Australia, but he's remaining firm.
Speaker 1: He does have the view that you need peace through strength,
Speaker 1: absolutely and we're approving it now.
Speaker 17: And this is what people don't understand.
Speaker 13: It's not the.
Speaker 17: Battle of Israel. We're just at the forefront of this battle.
Speaker 17: It's a battle against civilization and by barbarians. I don't
Speaker 17: want to say animals, because animals don't behave that way.
Speaker 17: And just yesterday we went through the fil diage that
Speaker 17: they filmed and they were the ones who were leading
Speaker 17: and bringing out of what they did last year. This
Speaker 17: is a battle not only against Jews, and not because
Speaker 17: of the occupation, but against Western civilization. And it's about
Speaker 17: time that the leaders of Western civilization understood this.
Speaker 2: I wish they would. I talk about it all the time.
Speaker 2: So really appreciate you being on the show. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much, Daddy. Now that's it from me tonight. My
Speaker 2: live coverage here in Jerusalem continues all this week, so
Speaker 2: tune in tomorrow at eight pm. And until then, here's
Speaker 2: my good mate, Oh Murray