WEBVTT - WHO ARE THE *HORNIEST* PEOPLE IN HISTORY?? 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:02.520 Matt, are you ready for a night of fun? 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:05.040 I'm always down for fun. Now now you know that. 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:06.040 Well, we hit two. 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:09.680 Million listens this year and to celebrate, we're going on tour. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.719 That we are. So on Thursday the seventh of September, 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:14.680 we're going to be in Melbourne, Wednesday. 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:16.880 The thirteenth of September, we're going to be in Brisbane. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.800 And Thursday the twenty first of September, we're going to 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:19.439 be in Sydney. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.800 We're going to have special guests, prizes and so much fun. 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.640 So make sure you get your tickets in our show notes. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:27.000 Bye see you there. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:29.840 I want the fairy Tale. I want the Prince Charming. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.159 She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:34.440 my kissing style. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.280 Boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours. He's in a 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.720 trash bin. He's non recyclable, catching my. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.400 Mus I love being in love. I love love. 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:47.239 On today's episode of Where's Your Head At, we are 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:53.239 sitting down with Esne Louise, historian, author, journalists, and TikTok personality. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.160 As my host of podcast, has performed at Ted talks 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.480 and releases TikTok videos about kinky history and today we'll 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.960 be getting to find out some sourcing information about sex 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:02.720 through the ages. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.360 Who will ask her all about her favorite sex and 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.360 sexuality moments throughout history, and whether or not our sexual 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.039 preferences or routines have changed in the last one hundred years. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:14.200 Stick Around. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:19.520 Where's Your Head At? 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:24.000 Is a podcast that talks all things relationships, breakups, reality TV, 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.520 trending shows, and everything in between. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.480 This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip, 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.800 intimate details, advice, and much more. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.280 Hello, Hello, Hello, how are we It's so nice to 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:41.680 have you in the studio with her. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.920 This feels like a long time coming. No, absolutely, this 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:45.600 is wonderful. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.720 It's good to finally get you. We met at Splendor 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.600 in the Grass. You've had your live show as well. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.800 I know, and I feel really bad because I couldn't 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.840 make yours because I was getting really drunk as soon 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:55.800 as I came off the planet. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:56.800 That's what's he should have. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:59.520 We should because yeah, we're in the shuttle together and 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.400 then we're like, watch your show, and then you didn't come. 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:02.320 Do you know? 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.400 I really thought about it, but my priority as soon 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:05.560 as I came off that plane was I need to 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.040 find a bottle of champagne. And then I was like, oh, 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.040 they're on, and then I felt really bad. Sorry, this 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:12.280 is my formal apology to you. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.480 Technically we didn't come to your show, but you did 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.720 go live, so I technically also saw it. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:20.079 I did that. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:21.000 I feel like I was it. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:29.040 Oh if you can't remember, but I can't say that. 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:33.800 We definitely enjoyed some time together backstage, so it doesn't 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.560 really matter about the show. I don't think I gave 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:36.880 you a rundown of my show anyway. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:38.359 So yeah, and when. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.200 We met you, you are filled with so much knowledge 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:47.640 about sex and just just a plethora of information that 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.680 is so random that I never thought I needed, but 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.320 I was like, I think I like I really needed that, 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.000 Like this is so interesting. I've actually repeated some of 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.880 the things you said back to my fiancee Michael, and 0:02:57.919 --> 0:02:59.640 he's like, who told you this? 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.760 Did have you fact check this? And I'm like, yes, esme. 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.079 The historian from Slender in the Grass told me about this. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.800 This is fact Chac. It's terrified, I promise you. They 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:11.079 all just like to be spanka. 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.560 The story that you told when it wasn't during your podcast, 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.640 but when you did that speech about the girls putting 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:18.880 fish in their vagina. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.560 Oh yes, and we just can't be real. No, it 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.040 was real. Tell it from the story. I could not believe. 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:27.000 I don't think I told it right. But and I 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:28.720 was like what, and I was like yeah, yeah, like. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:33.920 Yeah, people put fish in their vaginas. I swear. I 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.800 think this is part of the really kinky compartment of 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:38.240 my brain is just like filled with all of this 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.880 terrible stuff. But it was in the medieval ages, and 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.440 there was this uh like old wives tale that they 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.520 were trying to get their husbands into bed with them, 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:49.760 and they wanted them to be fertile because there was 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:51.600 a belief at the time that it was like the 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.840 man that was solely responsible for producing an air, and 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.400 you know, women were just ovens. And so what women 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.920 would do to try and entice their husbands back into 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:05.680 bed with them was shoved fish into their vaginas. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.560 Oh yeah, and alive, shut out a. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:12.560 Lot, let it soak in their juices, wait until it 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:16.240 dies dies. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.840 So you're like vaginas like suffocating the fish to dead. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:20.960 For me to be fair, it's probably like an og vibrator, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:22.720 like just flopping around in. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:28.400 That imagine trying to get it in. 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:32.479 They're squirmy, and they didn't specify the size of the 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.280 fish iver so I don't know if we're talking about goldfish. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.040 But after that they were after it soaked in the juices, 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.000 they would then cook it and serve it to the 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.400 husband as like an aphrodisiac, and it was meant to, 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.920 you know, make them go like, hmm, I really feel 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:51.080 like her vagina, to know, like fish and chips. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.039 Yeah, no, ship. I remember the whole thing when I 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:55.279 was like it was wild story. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.039 Use if that is a true story. 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.880 It was written down by this this bishop of the 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:02.960 time and recorded, and so it's kind of like, well, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.200 if he's writing it down, it's either you know, real, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.520 or he was, like I think that this is what 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:11.120 women do. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:18.960 I hope happen vagina was born? 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.360 Is that where it was born from that? 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.040 I haven't been able to trace this theory, but I think, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.600 you know, probably a connotation. But for a long time 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.400 that like the fish in the vagina, fishy vaginas, the 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.280 smell or just passes down. There's so many words like 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.400 that that just have passed down for these crazy sex 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:36.719 moments from history that it's. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.040 So likely, you know, what's so interesting? 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.080 So I recently was in Europe and I was in 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:47.160 Barcelona specifically, and they have this sex museum there, very famous. 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.560 And it's interesting because Matt actually that day was like, 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.760 we're gonna have Esza on the podcast finally, because we've 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.039 tried to tea this up for a while, and I 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:57.159 was like, I have to go to this sexx museum, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:01.040 like I want to like have some thing to tell you. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:02.480 Anyway, I'm so excited. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:07.240 It's not like that good I took. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:09.039 It's definitely not as good as the fish story. She 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:10.839 actually went to a fish market. She's I guess what. 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.159 Michael loved it. 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:22.480 But I did see the first ever documented porno love 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:23.839 in there. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.400 Me and Michael sat down for like twenty minutes and 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:26.839 watched this. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.360 It was like I think it was like three different 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.800 pornos on repeat and they're just like so stray, Like 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.640 I love it. What era was the like video kind of? 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.760 I think it was like I wish I knew I 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.000 have it on my phone. I took a phone. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.279 I think it was like eighteen. I wanted to. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:47.599 Dress stop like it was yeah, yeah, yeah, it was 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.880 a very flickery. I love that and like the sex 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.960 that they were having it was just like what position? 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:55.160 Yeah, what were they doing? 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.680 It was like very stop and starty, like was that 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:00.200 the film? 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.240 It was a film, but it was mainly them, So 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.880 like the guy was like it was okay, I don't 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.360 want to say this because it's maybe a. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.680 Bit like it was a bit rapy. 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:19.600 Oh yeah, Like the girl came into this guy's office 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.240 and then he pulled up put his head in her 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.400 boobs for a second, and then pulled the top back down, 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.120 and it was like there was like this like uplifting music. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:29.680 Playing the whole time. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:33.720 Ye. 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:39.320 Yes, Well, Charlie Chaplain had like a whole sex thing. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.680 He used to enjoy throwing pies at women who were 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.240 naked on his couch, and that's kind of how he 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.520 would cast them as well. Like, yeah, he has a 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.160 whole weird sex thing. He was weird for many many reasons. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.520 But yeah, he used to enjoy get off to throwing. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:55.600 Pies at women insane. Yeah, isn't that like kinks right. 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.920 That's one of those things judge someone's king. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:00.000 Yeah, that's true. 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:01.400 I don't know. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.520 I like. 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.200 Throwing a pie at me, like is it a hot piem? 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:12.480 Like going to get you? 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.680 Well, I mean hopefully it's not very like Australian. 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.040 And then I was just like hot pies, meat pie 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:19.520 some source on it. 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:22.960 Worse enough, when you like buy into it, it's just like. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.120 I'm picturing like the pies. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.680 It is the whipped cream. Yeah, okay, which kind of 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.280 makes like you think about when you see some of 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:33.760 the Charlie Chaplin films and there is a lot of 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.680 pies in them. And then like you know, reports from 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:41.439 women being like, no he threw pies and got off yeah, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.440 and no wonder he went into like the you know 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:45.480 what some. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:49.280 Of the craziest kings you've heard speaking of kinks. 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.840 Craziest kinks I've heard. It's so hard because I've become 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.360 really desensitized to them. I think what's quite interesting is 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:57.680 like being in this line of work. You know, I'll 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.600 speak on the internet about like nylon fetishes and fetishes 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.240 and all of these kind of fetishes and people will 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.400 often and I love it. I like that people come 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.200 to me for help, but they'll send me through a 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.720 message to the effect of like is this normal, And 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.160 rather than just kind of giving it an umbrella category 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.760 like foot fetishes, they were like, is it normal to 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.679 want to tear someone's tights, come into the tights, grab 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:23.880 the cum, put it on my face, and then like 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:29.240 run around naked outside. I'm like, okay, I could specific Yeah, 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:35.640 I could do with I always know if I like 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:37.959 look into my DMS and there's like a whole bloody essay, 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.800 I'm like, Okay, they've gone into specific fantasies another details, 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:45.599 like just give me umbrella descriptions. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.400 So do you get a lot of that people sending 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:48.680 in like their weird kinks. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.480 Yeah, And I think it's it's it's nice. I kind 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.360 of like it. I'm like, I will tell you that 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.400 this is normal, and I'll give you stats, but I'm 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.079 not gonna go into the details of your fantasy right now. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.480 That feels like that's between you and your party. 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:04.480 Yeah, because I feel like, would some of these people 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.480 maybe like tell you them because they're kind of like 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.800 getting off that you're reading this and then it's some 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.240 sort of like sexual self. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:12.000 Yeah. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.719 I think that is definitely the case for a lot 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.640 of them. I think there's nothing I would say, there's 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.559 nothing sexier than research. So I'm just sending back stats 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:22.920 and probably not giving them what they want. But I 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:23.959 was like, yeah, take this. 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:30.760 People, where are you getting your SATs from? Can't they just? 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.400 Oh, I do you know what. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:34.320 I talked about? 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.400 Statistics? We were just talking about this before the podcast starts. 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:41.880 My mom runs all the statistics for my research, which 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:43.760 is a very ill. 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:48.040 Your relationship with your mom is just like the optimum 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:51.320 mother daughter relationship in my mind. Like I listened to 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.640 your episode with your mom, and you guys are like 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:57.160 giggling and talking about sex and talking about like, you know, 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.520 like rimming and stuff, and I'm just like, I don't even. 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:04.679 Know if my mum knows what room is. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:06.160 I'm pretty sure. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:14.240 Your mom sounds fun. I think it's nice. I was 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.280 saying that while we work on some of the research, 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.439 I'll get these really crazy messages from my mom without context, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.760 which would just be like, hey, honey, I'm working on 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.640 rimmen today. Have you got masturfation? 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:25.040 Love mom? 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.440 Oh, by the way, are we having dinner tonight? Like 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:31.959 it's just really is so funny out of context, because 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.760 she also just becomes really desensitized to this. And then 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.280 I think my favorite one that I wanted to make 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:40.480 the first line of the book was she just sent 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.560 this message being like, hey, honey, did you know that 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:44.960 people aren't having anal as much as they used to. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.640 Rimmon's are craze now and I was like, thank you 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:48.360 so much. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:48.960 Mom. 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.160 It's always just starts with high honey, and it's like 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.600 just really filthy and then love, Mom, I love that. 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:57.280 How good? 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.520 Is that why you got into kinky history? Because your 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.240 mum was so open? Like did you grow up with 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:02.559 it all? 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:03.080 No? 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:03.840 Okay. 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:05.520 I think this is the weirdest part about all of 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.920 this is Mom came and wanted to jump on the 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.080 research as I started to work on kinky history, and 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.240 she was like, your research sounds so much more fun 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.400 than mine. And we were like really drunk one time. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.960 I think there's a recurring theme of my life. And 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.960 we were really drunk, and she's like, what have you 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.719 added like statistics to kinky history? And if you want 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.120 to like talk about you know, pooh fetishes, we could 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.480 like bring stats in And I'm like, well, I can't 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.000 do that because I'm not a mathematician. I hate that. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.720 And she's like, well, I've actually done all the research 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.040 for you and just gave it to me. And I 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.560 was like, oh my gosh, is this what you've been 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:40.120 doing at work? 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.160 And so alas your book was born right, Yeah. 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:52.439 Yeah, it's a comba with all of my kinky history knowledge, 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:56.360 bringing in contemporary research which my mum's worked on, and 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.000 then some random antidotes from our own life. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.560 I mean, it doesn't get any better. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:02.800 Read it. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:03.960 It sounds amazing. 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.040 It might be a book that I actually read. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.719 I love that. I love that. 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:09.360 That's what we want. 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:11.600 I keep telling Matt, like, you need to get better 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:12.400 at reading. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.119 Because he well, you heard me read out the intro. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:18.320 And he's like, I just don't know if there's a 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:19.760 book I can get into, but I feel like you 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:20.839 could get into this book. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:25.200 Oh yeah, definitely, definitely. Well, yeah, I was going to 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.400 ask you that do you do much of the practicals 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:28.760 of them or just theory? 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:30.199 Oh? 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:36.000 That was such like I was trying and I said before, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.400 I'm going to try and not ask that sleazy, but like, 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.280 there's only so much how can I do? 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:46.560 Like, you know, do you know what's quite sad in 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.480 some ways? And you would notice that by the time 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.080 you start, you know, making podcasts and you become a 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:53.600 content creator, you become really, really, really busy. It's not 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:55.880 like a nine to five job, like you're just always busy. 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.000 And there was a moment in my friendship group where 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.440 I realized I was no longer like the sexy, kinky one. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.520 I was just the one who did the theory. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:06.000 You know. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:07.480 In the past, it was always like, you know, as 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.680 May has gone to sex clubs, she's like done everything, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.400 you know, come to her with your questions. And now 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.360 my friends are just kind of like, that's so cute, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.880 Like you're in your little monogamous relationship. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:20.080 Have you tried doggy? 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.480 I'm now the theory one. It sucks. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:26.400 I love it. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.360 I had the worst moment where I was out for 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:32.000 dinner with five friends and I was sitting there having 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.920 a great time until I realized that every single one 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.840 of them was fucking one another. They're all in these 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.520 like beautiful, open polyamorous relationships, doing gorgeous kinky stuff, and 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.800 I was the only one not connected to the web. 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:49.080 Was like, we're on the outside, the fringe, the fringe river, Oh. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:50.320 The mighty have fallen. 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:56.480 Well, speaking of your monogamous relationship, which I'm sure is 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.840 not you know, how did you meet your lovely partner 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:01.720 via bia bumble? 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.320 We're dating out. I think most people are in this data. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:09.600 Yeah, Yeah, we love a dating app, and that's recently single. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.080 I don't. Yeah, I don't use dating apps. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:13.400 No, not at all. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:21.560 You're an in person kind of guy. Instagram, you're still 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:22.720 online dating. 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:24.960 On the app. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.680 You're looking at the fire emotions and you're like this one. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:35.480 That's your bumble prompt. I love that. So tell us 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:37.920 about your partner. How did you guys me? Tell us 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.600 a little bit about your relationship. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.880 I think us I kind of forced him into a relationship. 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:44.680 You know what you wanted? 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:49.000 Well, yes, I know what I wanted. And we actually 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.240 met a week before like lockdown and everything was getting announced, 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.280 and I was living by myself in the city at 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.760 the time, and we had connected on Bumble. I literally 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.520 saw his dorky door profile picture and he's like because 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.840 he's come over from Canada and he was like wearing 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:09.000 this like Australian bucket hat, Australian shorts, like posing outside it. Yeah, 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.480 And I was like, who is this man? And how 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.480 is this your first picture on a dating site? Like 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.520 I'm so intrigued. And then I had a look and 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.280 it was like job lawyer. I'm like, okay, you did 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:18.240 not look like any lawyer I've ever met, and then 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.160 it was like favorite film and it was just Finding Nemo. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.520 And I was like, Okay, who is this guy? You're 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.200 such a dog. So I just sent him a message 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.200 and I was like, why not finding Dory? That was 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.080 my prompt, that was all I said. And I get 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.120 this bloody essay back from this man, like passionately defending 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.560 finding Nemo. I sent one back, passionately defending finding Dory. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.360 And then he just sends a message and he's like, 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.160 I work in the city. Do you want to get 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:40.440 a drink right now? I'm like, how's a. 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:42.480 Blundy WOI that's really cute. 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:47.680 Yeah, And we've literally gone for an hour drink. That 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.640 was it. I was like, I'll give you an hour, yeah, clicked, 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.840 my claws were in. I was like, I love this man. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:57.280 He's absolutely the chaotic. It's so wonderful. Two days later, 0:16:57.320 --> 0:16:58.680 he was gonna take me out for dinner and I 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.360 was like, there's actually this like virus going around. Do 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:02.920 you mind if we read in check? You can just 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.480 come over to mine for takeaway. This man doesn't leave 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.000 my house for three days. So it was a really 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.560 good day, actually very good day. But then by the 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.760 following week, I have to call this man while he's 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.560 working in the courts, being like, hey, they're announcing this 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.480 thing called a lockdown. I live by myself. I'm panicking. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:28.159 You don't have family, Let's date and that's it. Yeah, 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.160 And then he moved in with me for like six months. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.600 Did he have his own joint or just yeah? 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:34.040 But he was like in a sharehouse at the time, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.680 and I was being very late, Oh okay, I don't 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.719 want what's happening, and so I just moved in with 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.600 this man for six months for you. 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:42.760 You know what, when you feel it, you feel it 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.800 right when you know you know. And if I mean, 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.600 I'd prefer to move him with someone. 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:52.520 Ships that lockdown like forced. That was the same with me. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.440 And my exit is like my mom because I was 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.080 looking at my mum's at the time. She's like, you're 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.000 not coming back and forth. You're either one or the other. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.240 And I was like, well, you know, I'm getting my 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:08.080 dicks out there, fair, I have priority. Yeah, I'm kind 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:09.560 to go stay there. And the next thing we started 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.199 dating didn't work out, but yours has. Obviously, I think 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:13.280 like lockdown. 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.840 Was making break like for very but it was also 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.520 when we cover a lot of this in the book, 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.000 but like how COVID also affected our sex lives is 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:26.160 so interesting. Like people bondage sales in Australia were at 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.040 a huge high, Like we're talking about an eighty percent 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:33.400 increase in people buying whips and chains, and even sex 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.600 toys are like one hundred and twenty percent increase. 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:36.880 Like wow, we. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.680 Have never seen a bigger boom in the sex toy industry. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.919 And I love that Lockdown kind of made people, I 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:43.520 guess want. 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:44.359 To lock each other down. 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.280 Like we were just like really getting very experimental. Yea, 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:48.879 if you're locked in the house with nothing to do, 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.920 we're just like, let's try pegging. 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:58.160 For nothing else to do, let's go for it. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:01.360 To be fair, I had some very good lockdown sex. Yeah, 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.040 you know what I mean. Things were getting very excited. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.560 Yeah, why I was. We were doing like different kinks 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.560 and different stuff when we were in lockdown together as well, 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:11.720 we were expressing them. Yeah. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:16.840 It is so like everyone and the sales have kind 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.280 of remained, so this is like we're really interested in tracking. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.160 But like people were kinky in Lockdown and stay kinky, 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.040 and I think they have because we also look at 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.040 you know, podcasts like this, the podcast like mine that 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.840 started afterwards, there's now this need to kind of want 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.879 to talk about sex. Yeah, and we're talking about a 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:32.439 lot more. Yeah, fucking horny. 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:34.119 We're also horny. 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:39.520 Yeah's like acts like we're not. Those days are over. 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.000 Yeah, and people love listening to sex as well, like 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.000 I love listening to people talk about sex, like I 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:46.280 love listening to your podcast. 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:48.120 Oh that's so interesting. 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.840 And speaking of that, yeah, you said that sales to 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.760 sex toys went up one hundred and twenty percent. 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.000 Can you tell us a little bit about the history 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:01.359 of the dialo sentence? She knew it was coming. 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:03.600 I think it's my favorite question of all times. 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:05.719 I think I asked you this. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.879 Yeah, in the car your first question, I was. 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:12.800 Like telling you where the dido started starting a cave 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.200 with the year or no, maybe you told me that. 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.440 Then I wanted him, Matt, say, what do you. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:20.800 Think it is? 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.840 Something like did the carve a rock or something into it? 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:24.360 Oh? 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:25.240 That would be sharp. 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:30.720 Well, I mean you're not far off. That's a log 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.680 or something. It was a siltstone object that was found 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.320 in a German cave in two thousand and five, and 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.840 they've dated it back to twenty eight thousand years ago, 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.320 twenty eight eight thousand, so for context, we invented writing 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.320 it about five thousand years ago, so like we were 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.000 far more interested in getting off. 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:54.480 Yeah, even thought eight thousand years. 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.399 Ago, twenty eight thousand years ago. And the object that 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.520 they found was like, so it's found, but it has 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:04.480 a ring around the top and it was quote highly 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.680 polished at the top from overuse. That's in the official 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.000 research paper, and that's what made them determine that it 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.520 was definitely a sex toy. And then they found similar 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.080 models from like ten thousand years ago, fifteen thousand years ago, 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.119 five thousand years ago. And then by the time we 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.440 start writing in like you know, ancient Greece, they write 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:24.840 about the dildos and it's fucking filthy. They have entire 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:28.920 plays about this is a play called Lysostrata, and basically 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.600 the summary of it is that women are like men, 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.080 we need to stop fighting and the war. We're going 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:39.760 to refuse you sex until you stop so very quickly. 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:43.679 And the women all like gather around a bowl of 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.400 wine and they're like, okay, quote to gnore the fleshing, 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.639 to ignore the gnawing of our flesh. We need to 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:54.240 use our eight fingered leather dildo to help our cunts, 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.919 is what they say in part the translation. Yeah yeah, yeah, 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.000 And so they were using a lot of padded leather 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:05.440 in ancient Greece as dildos. They had strap on dildos, 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:09.639 they had like double ended dildos. And there's also a 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:13.879 room that they used breadsticks smeting olive oil. That was 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.480 their original form of lubrication, a little like straw string dick. 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:26.639 Yeah. Get I was thinking about like the time skinny breadsticks. 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:31.720 And they looped it up with olive oil. 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.920 Olive oil is actually still a very popular form of lubrication, 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:38.080 but it was really well documented in ancient Greece, and 0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.480 a lot of their pots that have like sex depicted 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.400 on them used to contain olive oil. That was kind 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:46.680 of like advertising today, like here's all of the people 0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:48.879 you could fuck if you used your lubrication. 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.080 Wow, makes sense. 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:54.159 It's so interesting, right because when I went to this 0:22:54.280 --> 0:23:00.399 museum in Barcelona, there was like so much like like 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:05.120 photographs and video and just like so much imagery of 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:08.600 like people having sex and people having threesomes and orgies 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:08.959 and all. 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:11.159 And I was like in my mind. 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:15.199 I genuinely think I thought that, like our grandparents and 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:18.800 parents weren't really having sex because it was so taboo 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.879 and like not spoken about. But then when I was 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.240 in there, I was like, wait, they were having a 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.680 lot of sex. Like I genuinely thought my grandparents probably 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:28.480 had sex three times because they had three kids. 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:30.679 That's how taboo it was in our. 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:32.679 Family behind closed doors. 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:37.440 Yeah, but like it's just I mean to see the images, 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:39.320 I was like, wow, like people. 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.840 Were really going at it. They were really. 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.320 Yeah, Like there was this like woman and this guy 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.080 was like putting this big log thing. 0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:50.480 Yeah, oh wait wan to hurt. Oh that's not it 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:51.000 was huge. 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:54.480 And I was like, whoa, I know, I have a 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:55.760 phone on my phone because. 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:57.119 You were allowed to take photos. It wasn't like. 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:02.840 Later, No, it was like a photo. It was actually happening. 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:03.520 Wow. 0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:05.960 Yeah, that's nice. That's kind of like logging in the 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:10.520 early days. 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.960 I mean, like, Peggy, I remember another question I asked 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:18.400 you in the car was and you clear cleared it up. Cleopatra. 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:20.000 Cleopatra and her vibrator. 0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:22.359 Yeah, she was a sex theme, but you said she 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.480 it's I cur't remember said because that was one of 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:30.159 the questions asked. It wasn't clear a patra black gobby 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:31.000 master or something. 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.680 Golden Mouth, golden Mouth, is that really a thing? 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:38.280 Well that the story goes that she gave one hundred 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.920 people in one night a gobby and then gaining the 0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:46.040 name golden Mouth from Julius Caesar. But I was explaining 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:48.159 that Cleopatch is an interesting one because she would have 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:52.120 been a very sexually autonomous woman and very soon after 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:56.520 she died. What historians at the time, they're very different today, 0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.840 what we have to be very objective in fact check everything. Hopefully, 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:03.160 historians then were like political slanderers, like they just wanted 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:06.199 to demolish someone, and so they were really keen to 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:09.280 take down a woman in power. And so the historian 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:12.719 who actually wrote about her was called golden Mouth, like 0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:15.480 that was his nickname because he was so good with words. 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:23.280 And somewhere along the line, I'm not going to judge, 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.040 but she was kind of like the first one of 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:28.760 the earliest examples of you know, women being slandered for 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:33.360 their sexual prowess, because she did have some fantastic relationships. 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.400 But then you know, she gains the name golden Mouth. 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:38.240 Now that's still like you see as like a reddit 0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:40.959 thing quite often that comes around. There's also one that 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:45.879 Cleopatra invented the vibrator using a gord of angry bees 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:51.920 to kind of like give herself a buzz. It's all 0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:55.640 very innovative always, and it's like, we don't have evidence 0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.400 of that, but what we do have is like original 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:02.399 pornography from ancient Egypt where you can see descriptions and 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:04.040 in one of them there's a picture of a woman 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:06.639 kind of squatting on a vase trying to rub herself off. 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.920 And we also know that Egyptian rulers were documented to 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:16.280 fuck animals as show of Yeah, like the Golden Mouth 0:26:16.359 --> 0:26:19.200 was writing all about how Egyptian rulers were fucking alligators 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:22.640 to show that they were very Yeah, and horses, how. 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:23.080 Does that work? 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:23.720 Yeah? 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:25.720 How does that work? As an alligator from the bum? 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:27.480 I love alligators and crocodiles. 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:32.600 But I mean it's one of those things that you 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:34.399 kind of take everything with a grain of salt, like 0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.320 this is someone This was like someone in Sydney riding 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:40.520 about someone in Melbourne. You know, someone in ancient Greece 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:42.840 is riding about someone in ancient Egypt, and they're like, no, 0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:46.960 they're so fuck alligators over there, Like, yeah. 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:47.840 I heard from a friend there. 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.680 And so Cleopatra and how holy gold of angry bees 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.320 and her golden mouth all come out of this time 0:26:56.400 --> 0:27:00.320 of just everyone's slandering one another but using set, which 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:04.080 means that things like blowjobs and everything were very well 0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.080 recorded and very well known, and that's something to take 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.480 out of it. Female masturbation was clearly very well known. 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.320 The joys of vibrations were very well known. 0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:14.120 Like then, why through history then it was so talking 0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:18.080 about Then why did like masturbation and female masturbation especially 0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:21.040 not keep going like that? Why did it like stop 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:22.560 and become taboo and change? 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:25.680 There's a really important turning point for us in the 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.600 seventeenth eighteenth century. That's the area that in my professional 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.320 life at university I specialize in because there is such 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:36.160 an interesting point where we change everything are thinking about 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:41.080 everything to do with the body changes, like eating, defecating, sex, 0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:42.800 and homosexuality and all. 0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:44.600 Of these kind of things become prude almost. 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:48.960 Yeah, basically there's a really big flashback for the church 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.480 becomes a lot more political, They kind of become more authoritative, 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.040 and you know, even things like we had a war 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:59.320 on sugar, where like you shouldn't eat sugary foods because 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:03.199 that will make you promiscuous, and it's not christianly to 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.960 eat sugar and the yeah, yeah, at the same time 0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:09.800 as we're like anything that brings you pleasure. Basically they 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.080 thought would not be right because they thought the body 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.400 was filled with sin and we have to be constantly 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:16.680 punishing ourselves. 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:18.960 Is that because like priests weren't allowed to have sex, 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.639 so they were trying to like make feel bad. 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.159 Well that it's a bit of a form of like 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.720 social control, right, because if you're telling everyone of the 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:31.879 general public, you can't partake in our sugary foods the 0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:35.640 upper class could they believe that fruits and meats were 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:37.960 only for people who were born to. 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:40.360 The aristocracy, Yeah. 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.040 And everyone else shoudnent partake in it. So it's a 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:43.720 form of social controls. So you get rid of anything 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:45.280 to do with pleasure, you get rid of sugar, you 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:48.800 get rid of masturbation, and they start to define like 0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:52.200 kind of homosexuality and heterosexuality for the first time. Up 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.120 until then, it was pretty much you know, anything goes 0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:58.880 in a lot of ways. So this is all like 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:03.600 seventeen hundred sixteen hundreds kind of time. So you know, 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.200 you're looking at the time of like the French Revolution 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.760 if you want to put yeah, yeah, all of that 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:10.240 kind of ear. 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:20.120 I'm pretty good. 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:19.120 Ice cream. I'm so mad. 0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:24.000 So that's exactly the era that we're looking at, like 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:25.040 where everything. 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:26.280 Changed was he was a horn bag. 0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:26.920 He was. 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.240 Yeah, he was absolutely loved it. 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.240 There's like a rumor about him that he sent this 0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:35.520 letter to his wife and he was like, I'm coming home. 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:38.680 Make sure you don't bathe for five days, because apparently 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:40.040 he liked his women really smelly. 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:40.600 Yeah. 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.560 Yeah, man, that's like a kink of his of like 0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:48.000 wanting hungent smell. 0:29:49.520 --> 0:29:50.400 For fishing vagina. 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:53.200 He was like, let's bring that back. 0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:54.760 Yeah. 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:57.320 Well, look, there was a show that came out on 0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:01.120 Netflix a couple of years ago called Bridges Him. 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:00.160 Yes. 0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:03.920 I feel like for historians, I don't know, but. 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:05.760 I feel like it would be like, oh my god, 0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:08.800 this is like so interesting, and like, I guess you'd 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.680 be fact checking. Can you talk us through, like what 0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.080 your first reactions to that show were. 0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:18.400 My first reactions were I had access to the show 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.040 a day early and I was told to like write 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:24.720 all of the articles about it, which was quite interesting 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:28.200 because Bridgerton is like, you know, a fictional setting, but 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.000 it's inspired by history, and so there's so much that 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.720 is actually really interested in that. Like one of the 0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:35.640 first articles I wrote on the first day, I don't 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:37.080 think they wanted me to write this, but I'm like 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:39.680 I writed it. One of the things that would have 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:43.720 actually happened in that regency period is one in five 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.360 people had syphilis. So all of the men who were 0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.280 like fucking around on the show, they all would have 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:53.080 been spread in syphilis like crazy. And at the time, 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:56.440 all of those powdered wigs and everything were invented to 0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.720 disguise syphilis because it would lead to hair loss at 0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:03.520 the time, and putting the powder in the wigs was 0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.480 they would put lavender and smelling salts in it to 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:09.520 hide the smell. Because syphilis was not like we have 0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:13.160 it today, like your flesh would fall off. It was 0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:15.680 kind of like leprosy in a way, your hair would 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:18.720 fall out, and it was basically a death sentence. 0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:19.480 Oh my gosh. 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:29.120 And their only cure for it was mercury. Putting people mercury. 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.520 There's a common thing today. 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:40.520 We're all just really hungry. But yeah, so I was 0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:42.960 writing about the fact that these wigs and everything, and 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:46.280 even some of the masked balls and everything. Part of 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:49.920 that was to hide your the effect of syphialis so 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.840 the person wouldn't know. There's like there's a whole interesting 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:59.480 story behind that. Also, you know things like the queen 0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.760 in that show is constantly snorting something and everyone's like, 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:04.200 is the queen doing cocain? 0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.240 Yea, what is she sniffing? 0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:09.920 It's called a snuff box, and it's how you would 0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:11.760 have had tobacco at the time. 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:15.400 It does sniff on tobacco. 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.320 Yeah, basically, yeah, and that's how she smokes. 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:20.440 Yeah, and they would have their snuff box and it 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.040 would be filled with salts and everything as well. But 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:23.280 it just looks like she's doing cocaine. 0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.560 It look like that. Yeah. I actually, until now I 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:29.360 thought she was doing. 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:35.400 You're like queen, No, I just know the one scene 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:36.800 in there where he goes down and a girl on 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:38.440 the stairs. It's pretty long. 0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:39.760 Oh, it's beautiful. 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.600 It's a very horny show, like the first one, the 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.720 first all of it. Really, it's just like, I mean, 0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:49.440 the last season was just like so depressing, and it 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:51.960 was boiling my eyes out Queen Charlotte. 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.000 Well, I boiled my eyes out in Queen Charlotte. But 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:59.320 I also couldn't stop writing down everything to write about. 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:02.520 Like one day they have baby Mozart that who comes 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.000 into the show, and I was like, Okay, Mozart gets 0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:08.280 really into Pooh in a few years time, and so 0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:10.560 let's talk about that. He maybe five here, but in 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.600 you know, give him another ten. And he's really into 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:14.800 sitting on women. 0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:18.760 Like really, yeah, he like has a whole whole. 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:19.960 He writes songs. 0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:23.840 About it, oh dumps, Yeah, he. 0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:28.280 Writes he writes songs about beautiful Yeah, and they're in rounds. 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.520 They're like you can listen to them now. One of 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.880 them is called le mission Marsh, which means lick me 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:33.200 in the. 0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:35.800 Arse, like mission marsh, let me. 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:39.320 Like it's written so everyone can sing it around. It's 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:41.920 like lick my ass nicely, lick it nice and clean, light, 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.160 nice and clean. Lick my ass like a good roast beef. 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:46.320 Lick my ass. 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:52.240 But this isn't his only Yeah, Corny, I think that's 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:55.280 like the key take out here. It's interesting, right because 0:33:55.320 --> 0:34:00.120 like we all know Mozart, yeah, moatsts yes, But like 0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:01.600 that's never. 0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:04.400 Come up until we are now talking to the kinky history. 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.880 When I was at school and I was studying history, 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:12.800 all of this, Like, I think that this very important 0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:14.600 information has been left out. 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.839 I imagine Miss Fletcher going and then he would ship 0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:18.560 on their chest. 0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:23.960 Well, feel like a weaving robbed from this information as 0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:26.600 children growing up in our education. 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:28.520 I think it's nice. 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:30.279 I know this sounds really weig because we're just talking 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:32.440 about motes. I wanted to ship on the girls he 0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:36.359 was seeing. But I think in a weird way, it's 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:39.200 kind of nice because it makes these people who feel 0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:43.359 so big and untouchable like in famous figures, it makes 0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:47.080 them really human again, very human, and you know, yeah, 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:48.440 it's a very human behavior. 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:49.480 All do it? 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:50.240 Do we. 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:56.480 Toilet sit on people? Sorry clarified. I have a lot 0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:58.879 of kinks, but that is not one. 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:00.800 But I think it's kind of of nice. And I 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.239 enjoy reading a lot of like the letters they would 0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:06.319 send to one another. Obviously that's why I do this, 0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.759 But I think it makes these people very, very human, untouchable, 0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:13.000 and it kind of makes you realize that everyone, even 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:16.520 these prolific figures, are so real, like they all have 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.640 their kinks and they're fun. Sex was always something we 0:35:19.640 --> 0:35:22.600 were playing with and exploring, and also all of these 0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.279 weird desires that we have today that people are like, 0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:29.440 that's not normal. You can trace them all throughout history. 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:32.600 So it's really a kind of reminder about why we 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:34.800 need to study it. But yes, and we should absolutely 0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.600 tell people. When I teach at the university, I think 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:40.239 that was the first thing. I'm like, right, let's just 0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:42.480 go through all of their sex history first, and then 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.360 I'll tell you about their literature. 0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:47.239 Like yeah, it's fun, it makes them fun, it's interesting 0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:48.239 and people want to know. 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:48.920 And I mean I. 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.000 Think it's in a way everyone has a kink as well, 0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:53.920 and there's nothing to be ashamed of it. That's it, 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:57.080 even if it's like a miniscal one of like you know, 0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:59.880 like I like their back or something like you know, 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:03.080 everyone has bad yeah, you know, everyone's it has a 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:04.360 king that they're into. 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:06.719 Maybe we could like look it back to your inspirations, 0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:09.760 be like I am really into parts, just like James 0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:14.640 Joyce or choose your favorite yeah yeah, yeah. 0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:16.799 What do you say to someone that's in a relationship 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.960 and they have this kink but their partner isn't willing 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.640 to experiment with it and give it the time of day. 0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:23.759 What's the best advice for that? 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.759 My advice has changed only because the feedback I've got 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:31.440 has changed. I received so many messages from people being like, 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.800 I didn't know how to explain my desires to my husband. 0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.799 I was really embarrassed. And then I showed him your 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.320 video on like Jean Jacques Rousseau, and then I was 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.080 able to talk about it. We laughed about it, and 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.399 then we tried it, and I was like, I love 0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:49.920 that looking back to history has actually helped people. So 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:51.839 I kind of like, if people ask me that question, 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:55.279 I'm like, here's some pawn from the seventeen hundreds that 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.919 discusses it, because it makes it funny, Like you stop 0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.319 taking it seriously. I think you stop being like, oh, 0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:03.960 I'm really really scared to be pegged. That feels so emasculating. 0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.399 You can read about this great historical figure who loved 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:09.000 being pegged, and you have a little giggle, you have 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:10.879 a little laugh, and then it's kind of like, oh, 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.080 it's very very normal. If they were doing it three 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:14.680 hundred years ago, we can do it now. 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:22.080 Speaking of being pegged, what a sega reminded me of 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:26.879 an article that I saw about Prince Williams. 0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:29.040 Is that true? 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.359 I think I should have looked this up after. I 0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:36.239 was like, okay, we're keeping the royals. I don't want 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:41.200 to be canceled by Charles right now. When I put it, 0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:43.279 I think I told you this. But when I put 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:48.280 up my video about the King, Charles now King wanting 0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:49.520 to be a tampon in a. 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:53.680 Leaked phone that's right, which is a real that's a 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:54.440 real phone call. 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.560 Yeah, Tampon Gate is a real thing. That was in 0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:00.160 the tabloids. They had a transcript of him talking to Miller. 0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.040 And he's with Princess Diana at the time. 0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.440 He was with Princess Diana at the time, very controversial, 0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:06.880 and he's like, I want to be a tampon and 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:08.879 crawl up inside you. I just wish I could live 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.640 there and so on the day. On my end, but 0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:15.000 I was like the day of his coronation, I was like, 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.120 let's remember the time the King wanted to be a tampon. 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:20.520 From my end, I'm like, I'm doing what I normally do. 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.600 I'm humanizing him. Not to the royalists, they did not 0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:24.240 like that. 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:29.560 I could imagine well, it's true, he did take it. 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:32.279 It's so funny. You know what's so annoying about having 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:32.800 this interview. 0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:34.799 I have this like residual cough and I just want 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:36.719 to like kiss myself laughing, and I'm like trying to 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:38.400 hold it in because I'm like, I don't want to 0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:40.120 cough into everyone's ears. 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:42.160 That was funny. 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:43.759 It's someone's kink, I'm sure. 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:48.480 Yeah, don't shame people for their kink. 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:55.160 Different while to have the current king, Yeah, there's transcripts. 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:58.400 Of him wanting to surely Henry the eighth had some kinks. 0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:00.920 I mean, I would say that this man probably had 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:06.440 a fertility kin, a very strong one, like what is it? 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:08.799 We said it as well, what is it dead? What 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:09.560 is it? Beheaded? 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:15.240 Oh my gosh, the headed, separated, died, be headed, separated, survived. 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:19.560 There you go, all because of kids. So yeah, definitely 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.440 definite fertility kink. 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:30.360 I would say, as a historian or a kinky historian, 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.799 shall we say, when you first met your partner, did 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:37.719 you obviously you've introduced, like what you do. Did you 0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:41.800 feel a little bit of pressure heading into the bedroom. 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.719 Yes, I think I feel that in a lot of 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.359 like my sexual experiences, it's kind of like you're very 0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.920 much expected to go all out and to be fat, 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:58.880 like like, I've had no complaints. 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:00.279 Back. 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:04.239 No, No, I'm too cocky for my own good. But 0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:05.440 I think it's really interesting. 0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:10.719 I didn't leave for three days. Was very right. 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.640 I had him tied up. He actually when I said 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.280 that I had my I was like, I will trap 0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.480 this man. No, we're not going to. 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:27.040 That's where he still is to this day, after hanging 0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:27.960 in my lounge room. 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:34.360 You wonder why you've never met him. So here's my 0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:38.000 own gimp. But I actually feel very grateful in a 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.719 lot of ways that I blew up after getting into 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.640 a relationship because I don't. I mean, you probably have 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.960 both experienced this more than I have. The expectations that 0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.040 you have when you have this public persona. I just 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:52.440 don't think I would want to deal with that in 0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:54.520 the bedroom. I genuinely don't. I would always be that 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.080 conscious the whole time and being like is this kinky enough? 0:40:58.400 --> 0:40:59.839 I think? And I think a lot of guys would 0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:02.160 go for you because of like that, like I want 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:03.759 to see how kinky you know, And I've got this 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:05.839 king she's gonna want to you know. 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:08.840 Yeah, I think the only thing that could cancel me 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:11.000 is people being like, she's actually not as kinky as 0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:11.319 she says. 0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:14.040 I went home with her and she didn't even want 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:14.600 to use a whip. 0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:16.440 She didn't even want to peg me. 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.000 This bitch on the first night didn't even want to peg. 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:25.319 Met the pressure. I feel like, oh my god. 0:41:25.440 --> 0:41:27.160 Yeah, I mean, I'm just gonna do missionary. 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.680 Okay, I might get on top for a bit. 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:35.239 Sometimes you do want to have basic, boring vanillas. Absolutely, 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.200 you're tired and you're like, I I just want an orgasm, 0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:41.600 then I want to go to sleep. Yeah, I'm glad 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:43.719 I'm not in my one night stand fase because that 0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.200 would be like, hey, actually you're you're the one who 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:47.760 misses out. 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:52.400 Missionary is good, done right, I'm not. I'm not against it. 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:52.719 Yeah. 0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:56.799 Missionary, as a little fun fact, came from missionaries like 0:41:57.080 --> 0:41:58.759 the people who would go out to spread the good 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:02.000 word of Jesus. Because at this time where we're talking 0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:06.520 about that turning point in that seventeenth eighteenth century, they 0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:10.400 decided the church that it was the least pleasurable sex position, 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:14.520 and so they said that the only permissible position you 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:17.080 could get into was missionary. So you couldn't do doggie 0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.320 style or anything because that brought you too much pleasure, 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.319 and sex was not meant to be enjoyed, so. 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:24.320 Yeah, well. 0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:29.320 They're not allowed to enjoy it. 0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:32.000 But then allegedly the missionaries went out to spread the 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:35.200 good word, and the local inhabitants would just laugh at 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:37.600 them when they thought that this is how Westerners did sex, 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:42.200 and they were like, absolutely not. And that's how apparently 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:43.520 how I got the missionary. 0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:47.160 So you're telling me that back in the day people 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:50.160 were pretending to not enjoy sex because the church was 0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:51.280 telling them they shouldn't. 0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:52.399 Yeah, oh yeah. 0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:56.920 There's like very comical writing by Saint Augustine and he 0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:59.879 is like men and women must descend to the bed 0:43:00.120 --> 0:43:03.239 chambers with an air of melancholy, and they should get 0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:08.240 to the unpleasurable task with regret and resentment. And that's 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:10.600 like they wanted people to be like upset while they 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:10.960 were like. 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:12.640 They're like this is so bad. 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:15.480 Yeah, they're having the best sex of their life and 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:16.680 they're like this is terrible. 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:18.920 I hate so awful. 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:20.680 But there was a real They really tried to spread 0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:22.680 the belief that if you felt any kind of pleasure 0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:25.640 while doing the act that was as bad as cheating, 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:29.960 like that was just as sinful. Really yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.080 Christians really are that self hate thing at that time 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:34.320 that that was their good words? 0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.840 So is that why then? No, that was a different reason. 0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:39.560 Sorry why King Henry made the Church of England because 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:44.560 it could get divorced. That that wasn't because he wanted 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:45.400 to enjoy sex. 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:52.799 Let's talk about condoms and how they were created and 0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:55.440 what out of I. 0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:58.360 Love condoms history, I was gonna say, I love condoms, 0:43:59.480 --> 0:44:00.040 so yeah. 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:01.840 Safe sex. 0:44:01.920 --> 0:44:06.360 Yeah, I mean again, I'm going back to that sixteen 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.080 hundred time. But some of the og condoms were made 0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:14.160 out of the bladders of dead animals and yeah, yeah, 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:18.640 so they was sheep, lamb pig intestines were very common 0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:22.400 and they would basically get them on a like a 0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:25.640 phallic mold and you would heat it and shape it 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:28.120 and then tie it with a ribbon down the bottom. 0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:29.960 So you would have to like physically be doing a 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:33.440 little bow on your condom, your dead lamb intestine condom, 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:35.160 and you can imagine the smell. 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:37.680 Yeah, I was about to say that would stink. 0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:41.200 And they did. They really stunk. And then they were 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.279 very prone to breaking as well, So that was kind 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.080 of the og one. At the same time, in Japan, 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:49.879 they were using tortoise shells. 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:51.480 They were making. 0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:54.120 Tortoise shells out. 0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:56.240 Yeah, yeah, really really hard. 0:44:56.760 --> 0:44:59.120 Well it would be a little like a tiny lep. 0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:02.239 Yeah, and like shape round to and also not once 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:04.040 they didn't have a nice little bow, so not one 0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:07.239 size fits all. But the most interesting part is that 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.160 when condoms were invented, it wasn't for like to stop pregnancy. 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:11.440 It was to stop syphilis. 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:13.520 As I say, what was the revelation that they had 0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:15.799 back in the day to use a condoct Yeah? What 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:16.080 was it? 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.440 To syphilis? So we're trying to stop the spread. It 0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.880 was like really bad around that fourteen hundreds time, and 0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.480 so they started to create contems. 0:45:23.960 --> 0:45:26.799 Wow, my mind's running wild about the tortoise shell because 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:31.520 like this, and then how does that work? 0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:34.080 You can look up pictures of them, and I very 0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:36.240 much invite you to look up pictures of them, definitely, 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.560 but but yeah, they're almost like sheeps at The actual 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:45.080 translation was something along the lines of penis protector, like 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:47.400 it's very funny, or penis helmet. That's what it is, 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:50.360 penis helmet. If you translate it directly into English, but 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:51.759 they were literally like you would just kind of put 0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:52.880 them on the top of the penis. 0:45:53.920 --> 0:46:00.520 This is wild. That is fucking hilarious. Yeah, igine, I'm ready. 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:04.760 But you imagine like getting hard into a shell as well, 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:06.719 Like that hurts, Like I'm not a man, but that's 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:07.239 gonna hurt. 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.200 I just don't get how it works, Like I need 0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:10.560 to look at that. 0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:15.000 Why can they do measurements? 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:17.239 So what do I look at? 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:22.759 I would go tortoise tortoise condoms. 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.319 Japan Guys, you should look this up. 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:29.000 If you're at home right now, I'm not driving, look. 0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:32.040 This right now, or if you're at the gym them 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:32.600 like this. 0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:36.959 Oh so that's that's your animal in testine condoms. Yeah, 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:42.520 that's your animal intestine ones. I wish I'm yes, that's it. 0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:43.680 That looks like it. 0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:48.400 It looks like a hard Okay, I was actually imagining 0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:49.719 like a tortoise shell on the. 0:46:54.360 --> 0:46:56.520 Yes, it's like it looks like a dick and it's 0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:00.000 just like hard and just slotting in hard substance. 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:03.080 And there's also like rigged like. 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.200 Wow, very which I love. 0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:14.640 I mean, that's one of the better forms of contraceptive 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:17.080 we had because I mean, we didn't really think that 0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:19.480 for a very long time. We didn't really know that, 0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:23.000 you know, sperm in vagina will definitely produce baby. It 0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:26.720 was a lot more superstitious. So condoms came around because 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.880 of syphilis, and we were trying other methods, Like in 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:34.319 twelfth century Italy, they would tie the testicles of weasels 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:37.120 to their neck and fies as like witchcraft to stop 0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:40.400 from happening. So you'd be fucking with two weasel balls 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:41.480 around your neck. 0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:45.239 It's just so wild when you think about. 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:52.920 Doing this thing, just saying a hair of balls, and. 0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:55.600 It's like that would stink as well, Like I feel like. 0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:58.600 Ass options are smelly, all having stinky sex. 0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:02.400 What we've learned today was like sex in history is 0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:05.279 very very stingc that's the key thing I've taken out 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:06.120 and people put. 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:08.440 Maybe we're doing it wrong now, maybe going and freshening 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:11.680 up and having a shower is wrong. They were doing 0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:12.120 it right. 0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:14.279 No, I don't think it's anything that can turn you 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:15.640 off more. I don't know how they did it in 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.680 historical times, but like especially if you're going down on 0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.480 someone and then suddenly it's just that smell. 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:25.640 Absolutely not to be real, to be real, they were 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:27.840 throwing their ship and piss out the windows, so I 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.160 think they'd be a little bit immune to smell, like 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:33.879 the streets are covered in Yeah. 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:36.680 So what I really love is that, you know firs, 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.560 I like that beautiful place in front. They would have 0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:44.040 just been shitting like around the castle. Like you didn't 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:46.120 have bath ROMs. You would just be like walking up 0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:49.120 the stairs, take a ship. People would clean it and 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:52.120 get rid of it, and then you carry on your day. 0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:56.759 Like it's it's really bizarre. No, it's it's it's it 0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.680 was a different words. It was a different time. 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.120 But I always like, you know when people are like 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.640 why what when did we get weird kinks? And I 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:06.400 was like, well, there's a huge kink for piss and 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.120 shit that happened in the seventeen hundreds, and I think 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:10.880 it was literally because of this, like you put it 0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:13.080 out of it now, it sounds really radical, like what 0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:15.000 they were really into being shout on. I was like, 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.160 well no, but you've got to remember that people were 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:18.960 literally walking around being like, oh sorry, I got a 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:20.040 shit out. 0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:24.040 Pull their pants down and just yeah, and. 0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:25.840 You would have like chamber pots by your bed. So 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:27.160 if you needed to piss in the middle of the night, 0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:28.799 you just piss into the pot the servant. We'll take 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:29.920 it away the next day. 0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:31.200 Like getting stage for it. 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:36.600 No, Like just like the way that we've changed our 0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:39.680 relation to our body, right, because it's not just sex 0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:42.800 that's changed. Now we're like, oh, my toileting is really private, 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:45.080 no one can see me. Yeah, but that's just again 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:46.880 at the time, but it was just like the Queen's 0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:50.560 just like like it's fine. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:53.120 ever something to be ashamed of. Yeah, which I think 0:49:53.200 --> 0:49:54.600 is really crazy. 0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:57.920 It's so crazy now that women like cover their nipples 0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.840 and oh yeah grounds and like on the with just 0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:02.160 nipples out. 0:50:02.360 --> 0:50:02.560 Yeah. 0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:04.480 That's changing, though, isn't it slowly? 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:05.680 I don't know, is it? 0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:08.040 I see, I would love to think it is, but 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:11.600 I think it's so heavily sexualized in our culture that 0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:12.879 will take a very long time. 0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:15.000 Yeah. 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:18.719 They did do a really interesting study back in the fifties, 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.880 and it looked at one hundred and thirty different cultures 0:50:21.960 --> 0:50:24.480 around the world and their relationship to boobs, and they 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:28.400 found that boobs were only sexualized in nine of these cultures, 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:32.040 and even in those nine, they really differed about what 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:35.719 they liked, whether they were big, small, long, anything, and 0:50:35.800 --> 0:50:37.840 in the rest of the cultures that they went to, 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.840 they were actually disgusted that we used boobs as anything 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:44.520 sexual or in foreplay, like they. 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:45.560 Were really taking a bag. 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:49.200 Really, but it shows just how we've been really conditioned 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:51.840 to be like, boobs are sexy, whereas that's not the 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.160 case in every place in the world, and it's something 0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:57.920 that wasn't even the case in history. In the fourteenth century, 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.319 this amazing woman called Agnes Sorel, who was like the 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.600 mistress of the king, would go into the French court 0:51:02.640 --> 0:51:05.360 with her tits out. She had dresses designed just so 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:08.160 one boob, her favorite boob, would hang out, and she 0:51:08.160 --> 0:51:10.120 would sit around the French court with a boob out 0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:12.799 her favorite boom, her favorite boob would always be out 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:14.279 like the other. 0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:18.920 Let me out. 0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:21.080 But that was it because she was like, my boobs 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:23.560 are beautiful, and this one's especially beautiful, and so her 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.680 dress has come down. Here Agnes Sorel again, there's some 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:29.440 beautiful portraits of her. She's got this like gorgeously, you know, 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:31.600 like heavenly go about her and then just tit. 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:36.480 Yeah, even in Italy, recently, there was a few women 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.880 like on the beach with their boobs out, and even me, 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:42.960 I was like, oh, don't look, because I like, you know, 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:46.400 look like I was like staring at her nice boobs, 0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:48.319 but I'm like, I didn't want to look like I 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:51.560 was staring. But then like it's so heavily ingrained that 0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:53.160 sexual that even. 0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:56.359 I was like, normal, like it's fine. I had to 0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:58.160 tell my own self in my head, I'm like, this 0:51:58.239 --> 0:51:59.440 is this is totally okay. 0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:02.800 I'm probably one of those people boobs, boob. 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:03.320 You're boobs. 0:52:03.880 --> 0:52:05.480 I can see that for you. 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:11.839 I was maybe from the years of watching wrestling growing up, 0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:15.440 and they were really heavily on the the boobs showing 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:18.000 from the girl wrestlers sexualized it. 0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:19.640 I feel like that was one of the main reasons 0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:22.440 that people watched the wrestling bouncing. 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:30.040 When did the whole debate start of like if you're 0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:33.400 a bum guy or where did that happen? 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:37.480 It really comes down to fashion. Fashion is really influential. 0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:39.360 So when I look at this like that study that, 0:52:39.440 --> 0:52:43.759 I'm like, boobs weren't always sexy. There's other times where 0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:46.200 we start sexualizing different parts of the body. Do you know, 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:48.880 like those old regency dresses that have the giant bustle 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:51.120 coming at the back. In the time of the bust 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.640 or coming out the back, boobs became a butt, sorry, 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:56.600 became really really sexualized, and you'll see the dresses come 0:52:56.680 --> 0:53:00.200 up to here and then the butts are like over exaggerated. 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:03.360 And that was almost like your og kim k like fascination. 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:06.200 We're like, we love big bums. And then it was 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:07.839 like you took the petticoat off and you're like, oh, 0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:11.839 she doesn't really have a big but she does. But 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:15.200 like you know, things changed because of fashion, and so 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:16.920 that was one of the things that really started to 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:21.200 eroticize big bums. At the same time, for most of history, 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:26.959 we found penises like small penises were ideal. Really yeah, 0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:28.719 they thought you were more intelligent if you had a 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.440 smaller penis, and you were more likely I. 0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:41.920 Can't read, I love it, I. 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:42.760 Can feel it from here. 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:53.399 Was clearly a guy with a small penis has made 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:54.120 that statement. 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.560 It was huge in ancient Greece, Like if you look 0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:01.200 at statues and sculpture from classical everyone's always like, why 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:03.520 are the penises so small? That's why the penises are 0:54:03.560 --> 0:54:05.880 so small? You were meant to be more intelligent if 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:09.080 you had a small penis. What's the guy Michaelangelo, Yeah, yes, 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:13.160 sallis or small penises such of David's tiny little thing. 0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:15.719 But that belief was around for a long time because 0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:18.359 they thought that he would also make a better father because. 0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.919 His spam had a shorter distance to travel. 0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:24.120 So explained, Yeah, and then your. 0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:27.640 Good mate Henry the eight is actually really influential in 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:31.239 changing that because he had a big member and so, 0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:34.880 and he was really self conscious about it and so, 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:36.680 but he was like a man that was just like, 0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:38.680 we can't get divorced, fu, O'll start a new church. 0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:40.640 And he kind of did that with fashion as well. 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:42.920 So if you have a look at his armor that 0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:46.480 he used to wear, he has a giant, bloody like 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:49.399 cock shield and he was kind of like, no big 0:54:49.440 --> 0:54:53.000 dicks are in and that happened. Fashion caught on because 0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:55.520 if the king is starting to wear a giant cock shield, 0:54:56.480 --> 0:55:00.520 cock shields became massive in fashion on a daily basis. 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:03.320 Like people are really confused now why men in regency 0:55:03.320 --> 0:55:08.560 era just have this giant bulge around their penis, And 0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:09.920 that's when things really change. 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:11.640 That is hilarious. 0:55:11.680 --> 0:55:12.279 Fascinating. 0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.160 It is fascinating. It really is fascinating. 0:55:15.600 --> 0:55:17.360 I'm here for your history of dick sizes. 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:19.960 Oh my god, I love it. 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:23.919 I mean it is funny because isn't it well known 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:29.719 that the Italians and Greeks naturally have bigger So then 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:33.360 therefore wouldn't that Greek who was it? But that was 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:36.960 like the Aristotles Socrates, they would have probably been pretending 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:38.040 to have small. 0:55:40.000 --> 0:55:41.920 They were like, no, no, we are really smart, Like 0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:47.200 it's fine small, but it also makes you laugh and 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:50.000 think sometimes because obviously the stuff that we know from 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:52.399 ancient weld, the only people who are really writing are 0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:55.879 you know, you're very intelligent philosophers, and so they could 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:58.840 have written fucking anything. They're like, no, no, guys, like 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:02.240 small digs were reallyable, like if you find my skeleton, 0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:05.080 I was so smart, like I could have done anything. 0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:06.280 They really wrote history. 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:09.439 Men. 0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:11.080 You can't trust them, can you. 0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:14.440 They say they've got small penises because it's fashional, they 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:26.640 probably really have a big dick versa. 0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:26.919 They can over here. 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:29.920 And then the micro penis, it was a micro penis. 0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:31.440 Does that mean you were like genius? 0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:33.120 Yeah, absolute genius. 0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:35.319 That's what you want, Like you get anyone off. 0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:38.360 But no, no, no, you're going to produce many airs 0:56:38.400 --> 0:56:40.040 because you have such a small penis. It was just 0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:41.960 going to be like true. But they thought that the 0:56:41.960 --> 0:56:44.680 gods would have blessed you either with brains or a 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.239 penis basically, and they're like, oh, that the body can 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:49.200 only have so much. So if you have a giant penis, 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:50.440 you have very little brains. 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:52.120 Well, men do think with their penis? 0:56:52.400 --> 0:56:56.839 Well, I mean, does make sense. 0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:03.440 Speaking of penises, let's talk about the cockering. 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:15.040 Let's talk about the cockering. Apparently they were. 0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:18.760 Made from the I can deal with this eyelashes of 0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:22.200 a goat. That is correct sually not no, it's correct 0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:26.439 that google this one if you like pictures of this one. 0:57:26.600 --> 0:57:28.640 How many goats would make a cockery one? 0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:32.760 So it was the eyelid of goat and eyelashes they 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:36.640 kept everything. So you would take the eyelid of a goat, 0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:39.040 which kind of makes a circle here. You would keep 0:57:39.080 --> 0:57:41.880 the eyelashes for extra stimulation. Now, what they would do 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:46.520 would be they wet the eyelid, get all soggy tied 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:49.400 around your penis, and then wait for it to dry. 0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:52.680 And it dried, it hardened like the original cockering. This 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.600 is in thirteenth century China. Oh, just to put it 0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:59.040 into perspective, and it would get harder and harder, and 0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:02.400 then your eye ashes are not only stimulating yourself but 0:58:02.440 --> 0:58:06.520 also the woman that you feel sex with. Yes, And 0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:10.400 they ended up moving to models made of jade and 0:58:10.440 --> 0:58:14.680 ivory after a few years. Maybe too many goats were 0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:17.200 being lost in the process of the cock ring, but 0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:22.080 you can still purchase eyelid cock rings today. It remains 0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:25.160 a fetish, and some people actually swear that it's better 0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:27.480 than silicome. Don't do that. 0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:29.320 I don't do it, but I'm not a big fan 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:32.680 of a cockring. I've never really. 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:35.200 Tries vibrating cock rings. 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:36.720 No, I haven't actually. 0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:40.480 Change out, Okay, especially if you're if you're with a 0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:44.480 woman as well, like that turns your penis into a vibrator. 0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:44.840 Yeah. 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.520 Yeah, I've just always put it on and been like, 0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:50.320 and it's just it's actually where it's the opposite. It's 0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:54.240 sort of throwing me off. No, kept me. I like, 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:55.400 it's almost on my mind. 0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:58.600 But I think it's such a different sensation. I say this, like, 0:58:58.640 --> 0:59:04.720 I have a penis, I've heard are you feeling mine 0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:09.840 as well, but I think the vibrations help in a 0:59:09.840 --> 0:59:13.400 lot of ways because normally with cock rings that have vibrators, 0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:15.520 they'll have like a little battery pack almost on them. 0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:19.040 You sit that like next to your balls as well, 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:22.720 you're getting well, really quadruples stimulation in a lot of 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:26.440 ways because you're getting your vibrations kind of going towards 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:29.080 your peace spot. You're getting like the actual vibrating penis, 0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:31.800 you're getting the sensation of going in and out. And 0:59:31.840 --> 0:59:33.120 she's having a wonderful time as well. 0:59:33.200 --> 0:59:35.320 Yeah, I've seen one in a girl's top drawer and 0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:37.320 I measured it off and I was like, I. 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:39.960 Would say, don't use anyone else's cockran. 0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:44.160 Yeah, that's probably a good point as well. 0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:47.400 Cock ring what I was looking. 0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:50.120 At it and I was like, yeah. 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:51.320 I'm one of the like because you use cock rings 0:59:51.320 --> 0:59:54.440 on like strap ons as well. And this one time, 0:59:54.880 --> 0:59:57.720 this girl pulled out a cock ring that had been 0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:00.720 used so many times. There was like hairs on it, 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:02.000 there was everything, and I just went, I was like, 1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:05.520 you're not seriously like gonna that's not that's not on 1:00:05.520 --> 1:00:05.880 the table. 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.440 Don't you rinse it? I have, well, you can rinse it, 1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:10.919 but like my bush could drawer. 1:00:11.200 --> 1:00:14.440 When I'm drawer is unsanitary. 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:18.400 Oh no, it's my drawer under my bed. It's like 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:20.520 a container. And I caught the bush could drawer because 1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:26.440 during intercourse I wushker it out and it's got all 1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:30.920 my whip handcuffs. It's wild. 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:35.160 I was at a party at Matt's house once and 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:40.360 he's like, but it was like show and tell. 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:42.560 He was like, I love it. It's my rope and 1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:47.360 this is my That's the sign of a good party. 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:50.640 I love when that happens. I love genuinely. Like one 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:52.160 of my favorite things is when the host is like, 1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:53.480 do you want to see my sex toys? 1:00:53.480 --> 1:00:54.360 But like yeah, like. 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:59.480 Sure, it's like a lovely intimate part and like we'll 1:00:59.520 --> 1:01:01.520 be like we're really your friends now, like here's my 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:03.760 horse smart, I go, nag. 1:01:04.160 --> 1:01:06.160 We've dressed my mate up, put him in a choker, 1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:08.320 put the gag yeah, the gag thing on. 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:09.840 Yeah. 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:12.960 I've so many whips broken in the course of a 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:15.240 house party of everyone being like can we see and 1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:20.640 then then everyone's just got them and I'm like, oh no, I've. 1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:22.720 Got a really good one from Bras and things. It 1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:25.280 was like a Nine Tales fucking really good one that's 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:26.040 not breaking any. 1:01:26.040 --> 1:01:26.880 That's breaking anytime. 1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:30.320 So everyone. 1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:31.800 Around and sticking around. 1:01:31.880 --> 1:01:32.520 That's what you were. 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:39.120 How has sex changed from now with our woosh couldraws. 1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:44.640 Between like the last hundred years, do you know what? 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:46.440 In a lot of ways like it hasn't, which is 1:01:46.640 --> 1:01:49.840 what I think is really interesting. And the biggest thing 1:01:49.880 --> 1:01:52.840 that's happened is that we have body save products now, 1:01:52.960 --> 1:01:54.880 and we have the internet to be able to provide 1:01:55.080 --> 1:02:00.600 educational information. But in terms of like sexual ex ferimentation 1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:02.800 and everything, we have done that for a really long time. 1:02:02.920 --> 1:02:05.360 There's a reason why, you know, when we started to 1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:07.520 really get into sex toys in the last twenty years, 1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:09.560 like so you can get them at supermarkets now, we 1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:11.720 had models for that because we've been using whips and 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:15.000 dildos and copp rings for hundreds upon hundreds of years. 1:02:15.400 --> 1:02:17.959 The difference is now we have body Safe's products because 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:21.200 of the likes of a man called Gosnell Duncan who 1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:24.800 was left paralyzed and realized there was no body safe 1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:28.320 alternatives for someone to use a phallic object. So you 1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:30.640 worked with a chemist to invent the first fallic shaped 1:02:30.720 --> 1:02:32.360 dildo that was body safe. 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:32.880 Wow. 1:02:33.160 --> 1:02:35.280 And now that's the kind of formula that we use 1:02:35.320 --> 1:02:38.320 all the time, so like they can withdraw, withstand heat 1:02:38.360 --> 1:02:40.800 and washing in all of this and is sanitary. And 1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:44.280 then come the Internet. People now have access to safe 1:02:44.280 --> 1:02:47.760 ways to incorporate these kids and like ethical ways to 1:02:47.760 --> 1:02:50.680 bring them about. Whereas in history that's what we didn't have. 1:02:50.760 --> 1:02:51.880 We didn't have that education. 1:02:52.760 --> 1:02:56.200 Even hearing you say it, like else, everything sounds so 1:02:56.320 --> 1:02:57.560 stinky and unsafe. 1:02:58.400 --> 1:02:59.160 Surely people are. 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:02.680 Getting big dizzy from all of this, yeah, nassively, So 1:03:02.920 --> 1:03:08.280 like I mean you talk about, yeah. 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:08.760 How did people get rid of thrash in the day? 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:11.480 I once could not get rid of thrash for like 1:03:11.520 --> 1:03:14.360 six months, and I like how people. 1:03:14.200 --> 1:03:15.880 Would die from it? Really? 1:03:16.000 --> 1:03:17.360 Yeah from thrush? 1:03:17.440 --> 1:03:19.360 Yeah yeah, what a ship way to die. 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:22.720 But like the small ways that people died because of, 1:03:22.720 --> 1:03:26.640 like you know, sexual play and everything is really insane. 1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:28.920 Like back in the time. I'm not quite on the 1:03:28.960 --> 1:03:32.440 same thing of frush, but they had to introduce laws 1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:36.600 in the eighteenth century about about strangulation, erotic strangulation because 1:03:36.600 --> 1:03:38.800 so many people were dying from being struck. 1:03:39.200 --> 1:03:41.120 Really, I thought that was a new thing. 1:03:41.480 --> 1:03:44.000 No, no, because this isn't the time where they used 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:48.840 to hang criminals, and one person reported that the criminals 1:03:48.880 --> 1:03:51.160 all seem to get hard ons as soon as they 1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:54.560 are being hung, and this thing go on like, oh, 1:03:54.720 --> 1:03:59.240 it will cure my impotence if I get into strangulation, 1:03:59.320 --> 1:04:03.000 and so brothels started offering strangulation as an option and 1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:05.439 laws had to end up being introduced because so many 1:04:05.440 --> 1:04:08.720 people died from it. But even the deaths didn't stop 1:04:08.760 --> 1:04:10.840 people from wanting to get strangled. 1:04:11.080 --> 1:04:14.040 Is that is there a proven fact that getting strangled 1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:17.040 does make you or is that just not now? 1:04:17.320 --> 1:04:19.480 No, But I mean there is a thing about like 1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:22.600 blood rushing, so it does happen in some cases, and 1:04:22.680 --> 1:04:24.920 even in one where someone died and went to court 1:04:25.160 --> 1:04:27.800 in the criminal trial, they even say like, oh, but 1:04:27.880 --> 1:04:30.160 he did get briefly hard just before he died, and 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:32.240 so people caught on. They're like, oh it works. Just 1:04:32.240 --> 1:04:34.040 gotta make sure we cut him down quickly. 1:04:34.120 --> 1:04:37.240 Like yeah, you hear about all that stuff about how 1:04:37.280 --> 1:04:40.440 you tie you choke yourself and have a wake, and like, 1:04:40.520 --> 1:04:41.240 I've never done it. 1:04:41.320 --> 1:04:43.080 I've never done it, but I've heard it a lot. 1:04:43.080 --> 1:04:46.560 And I actually counted to crime documentary very recently about 1:04:46.560 --> 1:04:50.880 a guy who died. He was a famous director in Hollywood. Yeah, 1:04:51.000 --> 1:04:53.640 recently he died from it in a hotel room and 1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:55.560 they were like, is it suspicious, but he had like 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:58.040 he was all tied up in like this sex position. 1:04:58.280 --> 1:04:58.720 I don't know. 1:04:58.880 --> 1:05:01.800 Yeah, see, I think think one of the best things 1:05:01.800 --> 1:05:04.120 about having sex education and why it's so important is 1:05:04.120 --> 1:05:06.600 that otherwise we would just be like we were back 1:05:06.600 --> 1:05:09.480 in history and just hanging ourselves to try and feel pleasure, 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:11.040 whereas now you can go on Google and you can 1:05:11.080 --> 1:05:14.280 be like, how do I safely engage in strangulation play? 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:15.840 And like one of the main things is that you 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:19.000 never touch your you don't never block off the air 1:05:19.080 --> 1:05:20.920 tubes like ever. Ever, if you want to do it, 1:05:20.920 --> 1:05:23.600 it's like a firm press on the neck, but not 1:05:23.800 --> 1:05:24.560 where any. 1:05:24.360 --> 1:05:28.280 Of your I go lower yeah, lower, yeah. 1:05:28.280 --> 1:05:30.880 Lower is good, and then hand pressure and so there's 1:05:30.880 --> 1:05:34.840 little things like that, and that's why hashtag education. 1:05:36.360 --> 1:05:37.440 I love some education. 1:05:37.720 --> 1:05:41.400 I mean, this whole episode has been very educational for me. 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:43.960 I fly like I've got a wealth of knowledge. 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:47.240 I'd be really impressed with Matt's history facts. 1:05:47.840 --> 1:05:50.280 Well, shout out to my mom and my grandma because 1:05:50.280 --> 1:05:52.800 they're like full historians. They like, oh, I love you. 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:54.960 True the time they've passed it down to me. 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:57.800 I love history, but yeah, I feel bad. 1:05:57.840 --> 1:05:59.560 I said to Matt the start of the episode, you 1:05:59.600 --> 1:06:02.040 know one thing, and then he started like here's the 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:02.880 facts kept. 1:06:02.680 --> 1:06:07.680 Coming and I was like, okay, I'm going to give 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:09.400 not an honorary history degree. 1:06:09.600 --> 1:06:13.320 I actually bestow you with an A plus. Today I'm 1:06:13.360 --> 1:06:13.840 on an air. 1:06:15.720 --> 1:06:17.240 No, you can an A plus for your Segway. 1:06:18.800 --> 1:06:20.760 Shameless fool. 1:06:23.360 --> 1:06:23.920 Who doesn't. 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:29.120 It's been so lovely having you on the show. Thank 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:31.520 you so much for coming in. We've been meaning to 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:33.040 do this for a while and finally we've got to 1:06:33.040 --> 1:06:34.880 do it. We hope you guys enjoyed this episode. 1:06:34.920 --> 1:06:36.960 Thanks a lot, Thank you, thank you for coming on 1:06:37.600 --> 1:06:38.000 having me