WEBVTT - Fresh cabinet, old wounds: The Coalition’s uneasy truce

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>After a week of turmoil, the coalition has gotten the

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<v Speaker 1>band back together and Opposition leader Susan Lee has unveiled

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<v Speaker 1>her shadow ministry. The appointments laid bare, how raw the

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<v Speaker 1>coalition's wounds still are. At the same time, pressure is

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<v Speaker 1>mounting on the Albanesi government with growing calls from within

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<v Speaker 1>labor to take stronger action on Gaza, including imposing sanctions

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<v Speaker 1>on Israel. The Prime Minister has shifted his language, but

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<v Speaker 1>is yet to be seen where it will lead to

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<v Speaker 1>a policy change. Today Press Gallery journalist and Commonest for

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<v Speaker 1>Inside Story Karen Middleton on the winners and losers in

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<v Speaker 1>the coalition reshuffle and where the battle lines the next

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<v Speaker 1>parliament will be drawn. It's Friday May thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, good afternoon today. Dave and I have reached agreement

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<v Speaker 2>formerly to reform the coalition and we can announce our

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<v Speaker 2>new coalition shadow Ministry. I want to thank you David

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<v Speaker 2>for the respectful and Karen.

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<v Speaker 1>After some internal chaos, the Liberals and Nationals have managed

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<v Speaker 1>to reconvene and Opposition leader Susan Lee has announced this

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<v Speaker 1>shadow ministry. Can you take me through the new appointments.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, well, not surprisingly, Ted O'Brien, her deputy, has taken

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<v Speaker 3>on the Treasury portfolio. The deputy leader traditionally gets to

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<v Speaker 3>choose their portfolio, and he has chosen that now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really excited to work with my new economic team

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<v Speaker 2>Ted O'Brien as Shadow Treasurer and James Patterson in Finance.

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<v Speaker 3>Latnine's Angus Taylor, who held that previously, is now in

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<v Speaker 3>the defense portfolio. Michaulia Cash a bit of a surprise

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<v Speaker 3>getting Foreign affairs. Alex Hawk, who was a numbers man

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<v Speaker 3>for Susan Lee has been motor into the Industry Innovation portfolio,

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<v Speaker 3>and Dan Tian takes on energy and they've renamed the

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<v Speaker 3>climate change portfolio as Emissions Reduction, Energy and Emissions Reduction,

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<v Speaker 3>so they're sending a little message about their intent in

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<v Speaker 3>relation to climate change.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Dan, working alongside our passionate and talented party

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<v Speaker 2>room and the Nationals, will lead our work to deliver

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<v Speaker 2>a plan that gets emissions down but also delivers a

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<v Speaker 2>reliable grid in energy for Australians. Australia does have to

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<v Speaker 2>play its part in the global response to climate change,

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<v Speaker 2>but not at any cost.

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<v Speaker 3>Interestingly, though, the Indigenous Affairs portfolio has gone to Karen

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<v Speaker 3>Little and she goes into the senior ranks of the

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<v Speaker 3>shadow industry. Just Iner Nabajinproprice is effectively demoted. She no

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<v Speaker 3>longer has that portfolio, and she's moving to the outer

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<v Speaker 3>ministry in the defense industry and personnel portfolio. And I

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<v Speaker 3>guess among the most notable missions is Jane Hume, the

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<v Speaker 3>former Shadow of Finance minister who was relegated to the backbench.

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of other women also losing their positions, Claire

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<v Speaker 3>Chandler and Sarah Henderson, but I guess Jane Hume is

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<v Speaker 3>having the most attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she's obviously the biggest casualty from the reshuffle.

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<v Speaker 4>Jane Hume is not on the list at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Did she ask not to be on the front bench

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<v Speaker 1>or has she just been reliant?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't reflect on private conversations. I will say this.

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<v Speaker 1>That the what do you think was the motivation behind

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<v Speaker 1>dumping her from the ministry and the cabinet.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's an interesting question. I think it's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>shocked and surprised a number of people. There was some

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<v Speaker 3>thinking that perhaps she might be demotive, but not necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>dupped from the whole Shadow ministry on to the backbench.

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<v Speaker 3>She was of course responsible for the working from Home policy,

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<v Speaker 3>which turned out to be a political disaster for the

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<v Speaker 3>coalition during the election campaign.

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<v Speaker 5>It will be an expectation of a Liberal government that

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<v Speaker 5>all members of the Australian public us work from the

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<v Speaker 5>office five days a week.

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<v Speaker 3>She also made some unfortunate comments alleging that Chinese spies

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<v Speaker 3>were involved in campaigning for other parties.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't need to go out that far on the polling booths, Claire.

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<v Speaker 5>There might be Chinese spies that are hanging out for you,

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<v Speaker 5>but for us, there's dozens, thousands, hundreds of young people.

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<v Speaker 3>That didn't go terribly well, particularly in seats with high

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<v Speaker 3>proportions of Chinese Australian voters. So it looks like punishment.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's also seen to not be a strong supporter

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<v Speaker 3>of Susan Lee, so a touch of maybe personal politics

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<v Speaker 3>there as well, and there is a bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>flavor of that in here. We're seeing some particularly women

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<v Speaker 3>who were seen to be more conservative as not getting

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<v Speaker 3>a guernsey in this lineup, and so Susan Lee is

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<v Speaker 3>being seen to reward factional allies and perhaps isolate some

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<v Speaker 3>who were not so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Look of my shadow ministry is made up of women and.

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<v Speaker 3>Across that party room more broad as many as not

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<v Speaker 3>as many under the former Labor the party.

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<v Speaker 2>The party is led by a woman, and can I

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<v Speaker 2>say when we make the calls that we need to,

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<v Speaker 2>I will be at the table for every single one

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<v Speaker 2>of those big calls. I want to see those.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course on the demotion and ostracization front, on

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<v Speaker 3>the National side we're seeing Barnaby Joyce and Michael McCormack

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<v Speaker 3>and Matt Canavan all relegated to the backbench. The selections

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<v Speaker 3>from the National side were made by David Little Proud,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course certainly McCormack and Joyce have been very

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<v Speaker 3>critical of the way David Little Proud's been handling things

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<v Speaker 3>in the last couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Given all the machinations and the doing and throwing between

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<v Speaker 1>the Nationals and the Liberals, is there any question about

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<v Speaker 1>David Little Prowd's hustre as party leader after the way

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<v Speaker 1>these negotiations were.

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<v Speaker 3>Handled, I reckon there might be, maybe not immediately, but

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<v Speaker 3>the tone and the content of the commentary from some

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<v Speaker 3>of the Nationals in the last few days would sit

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<v Speaker 3>that they are suggesting that they're kind of putting him

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<v Speaker 3>on notice. He is arguing that he's had success, that

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<v Speaker 3>what he wanted to do in walking out of the

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<v Speaker 3>coalition and leading the party away was to force the

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<v Speaker 3>Liberals to accede to some of the National's demands. He

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<v Speaker 3>reckons he's done that.

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<v Speaker 6>We stared the Liberal Party down and we didn't blink.

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<v Speaker 6>We made it very clear that if they wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>re sign the coalition with us, there were four policy

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<v Speaker 6>principles we couldn't couldn't just let slide by. We needed again.

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<v Speaker 3>He talked about nuclear power, Well, that has actually been

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<v Speaker 3>negotiated down a little. It's no longer the policy that

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<v Speaker 3>went to the election. It is now just removing the

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<v Speaker 3>moratorium on nuclear power. But also this twenty billion dollar

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<v Speaker 3>regional fund, the divestment powers for supermarkets, and better mobile

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<v Speaker 3>coverage in the bush. All of those things in principle

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<v Speaker 3>have now been agreed to buy the Liberals. So David

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<v Speaker 3>Little Proud is claiming that as a success in event,

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<v Speaker 3>but a number of his colleagues are still pretty unhappy.

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen Barnaby Joyce criticize him publicly you can't look,

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<v Speaker 3>you can think of all this really clever line you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to say on this. They'll ask me this, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'll say that there is no clever line about this.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a complete chakra. So it is not a

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<v Speaker 3>happy camp entirely. And there's been a lot of talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the potential for replacing him with Michael McCormack, and

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<v Speaker 3>Michael McCormack is playing along with all of that saying, oh, look,

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<v Speaker 3>I've got no plans to challenge him anytime soon. Well

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<v Speaker 3>we all know what that sort of caveat means. So

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<v Speaker 3>i'd say David Little, probably looking over his shoulder for

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<v Speaker 3>a while.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break, what the coalition would rather be talking about, Karen.

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<v Speaker 1>The Opposition must be loathed to be talking about themselves now.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing they are keen to talk about other

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<v Speaker 1>changes to superannuation that the government has announced with the

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<v Speaker 1>proposed increase to the tax rate on superbalances over three

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars. It's something the government took to the election.

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<v Speaker 1>So where is that proposal at.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's interesting I think the opposition of seizing on

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<v Speaker 3>this as a point of combat with the government and

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<v Speaker 3>something that they've had some success on in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>prosecuting arguments against Labor Party in the past. If we

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<v Speaker 3>go back that to that twenty nineteen election where Labor

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<v Speaker 3>was talking about making changes to franking credits, to the

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<v Speaker 3>way that retire shareholdings were treated. The Coalition ran a

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<v Speaker 3>very successful political campaign and that was led by Tim Wilson,

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<v Speaker 3>who lost his seat but is now back in the

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<v Speaker 3>Parliament and I think he will be itching to prosecute

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<v Speaker 3>those kinds of arguments again. From the Labor government side,

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<v Speaker 3>they argue that this effect it's a very small number

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<v Speaker 3>of people. It only if that's superinuation balances that are

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<v Speaker 3>above three million, doubling the tax from fifteen to thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's the aspect of it that's about unrealized capital gains,

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<v Speaker 3>so gains on paper from within super funds that has

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<v Speaker 3>got people worried. And I think there's plenty of room

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<v Speaker 3>there for the Coalition to raise concerns and doubts and

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<v Speaker 3>try to muddy the waters as they did back in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nineteen. They ended up successfully convincing some people that

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<v Speaker 3>it was a bit like a death tax back then.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I think they really will be pushing his hard

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<v Speaker 3>and the government is yet, as I say, to legislate

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<v Speaker 3>that'll be one of its top priorities when the parliament

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<v Speaker 3>resumes in late July, so there'll be a bit of

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<v Speaker 3>negotiating to do. They've got the Greens in the Senate

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<v Speaker 3>now in a balance of power position, and the Greens

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<v Speaker 3>favor this change, although they'd like the government to go further.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you will see a lot of politicking,

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<v Speaker 3>if only for the fact that it is something that

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<v Speaker 3>the opposition can sink its teeth into to really start

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<v Speaker 3>putting pressure on the government in office.

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<v Speaker 1>Karen, we've spoken about the internal tensions within the coalition.

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<v Speaker 1>The government itself is having somewhat of a maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>public or also internal debate over its own position on Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>In a recent doors Stop interview, Anthony Albanezi criticized Israel

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<v Speaker 1>withholding humanitarian aid, using the strongest language we've heard from

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<v Speaker 1>him on this topic.

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<v Speaker 7>People are starving and the idea that a democratic state

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<v Speaker 7>withhold's supply is an outreach.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of his comments and what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think has changed?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was interesting, Daniel. It was a press conference

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<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of the week and the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>was asked about the withholding of aid from Gaza and

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<v Speaker 3>the risk of starvation and famine there, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>noticeably stronger rhetoric and much noticeably stronger response, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>had a lot of attension since then.

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<v Speaker 7>Australia finds these actions as completely unacceptable and we find

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<v Speaker 7>Israel's excuses and explanations completely untenable and without credibility.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd have to say that some of it is to

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<v Speaker 3>do with the strength of his position as a re

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<v Speaker 3>elected Prime minister. The overwhelming electoral result that he achieved

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<v Speaker 3>is obviously giving him confidence to assert positions more forcefully.

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<v Speaker 3>Australia didn't sign up to the statement that was put

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<v Speaker 3>out by the UK, France and Canada recently, and his

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<v Speaker 3>answer to that was they were G seven countries. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're in the G twenty. But there will be I

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<v Speaker 3>think increasing pressure from constituents of the labor side to

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<v Speaker 3>be more forceful, and clearly the Prime Ministers indicated that

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<v Speaker 3>he's willing to at least rhetorically speak out more directly

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<v Speaker 3>against Israel's role in the conflict. We've got a conference

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<v Speaker 3>upcoming in New York that will deal with issues around Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>It will be interesting to see what Australia as a

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<v Speaker 3>government sears and does at that conference. But there's certainly

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<v Speaker 3>now increased pressure on the government to even go as

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<v Speaker 3>far as recognizing a Palestinian state. There will obviously be

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<v Speaker 3>debate about whether that should come after the return of

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<v Speaker 3>the hostages, etc. There's going to be debate about that timeline,

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<v Speaker 3>but certainly that is a shift in the aggression that

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<v Speaker 3>the government is taking and the willingness to assert itself

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<v Speaker 3>in this conflict. We'll see just how far it goes

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of action.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course former Labor Front betcher ed hu Sieki's

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<v Speaker 1>out in the media saying the government should be doing

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<v Speaker 1>more to pressure Israel and that seems to be now

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<v Speaker 1>followed through with ALP rank and file members who are

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<v Speaker 1>debating motions calling for sanctions on Israel. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>there'll be movement on that front?

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<v Speaker 3>Ed Husik has always been speaking out. When he was

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<v Speaker 3>a minister, he was speaking out too, no.

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<v Speaker 4>Food, fuel, medicines, water, and it's no surprise that there

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<v Speaker 4>are some saying that this is the collective punishment being

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<v Speaker 4>extended to Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 3>Some ways, I feel like the tone of his contributions

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<v Speaker 3>has changed a little. He's been obviously dumped from the

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<v Speaker 3>ministry and he's very upset about that. But on this

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<v Speaker 3>it was a thoughtful contribution. It was well argued, and

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<v Speaker 3>you get the feeling that he rather than being a

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<v Speaker 3>sort of an irritant as such, he's trying to be

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<v Speaker 3>a constructive advocate from outside the ministry.

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<v Speaker 4>One. I think what the Prime Minister did yesterday was

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<v Speaker 4>critically important. I think it was vital that he speak

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<v Speaker 4>up with the strength that he did to call out

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that the withholding of aid is completely unacceptable. Two.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the second thing that needs to actively occur

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<v Speaker 4>is that we do consider those targeted sanctions so that

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<v Speaker 4>we can work with our friends in the international community

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<v Speaker 4>should the net and Yahu government fail to acknowledge broader

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<v Speaker 4>global sentiment about this.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll see how far he's willing to go in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of the political role he is playing between those

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<v Speaker 3>broader constituents who are really wanting action like sanctions and

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<v Speaker 3>his colleagues in the executive government who are treading or

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<v Speaker 3>have historically been treading carefully.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, Karen, there's no pressure like pressure from a

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<v Speaker 1>labor elder and former Foreign Affairs mister Gareth Evans has

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<v Speaker 1>also come out and wait into this. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>think the government's going to respond to that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>pressure as well?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, ex Foreign minister's, ex Prime minister's weighing in

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes is not entirely welcomed. Incumbent governments often take a

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<v Speaker 3>dim view of getting advice from the sidelines from people

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<v Speaker 3>who've gone before, and certainly it's quite a while since

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<v Speaker 3>Gareth Evans was Foreign Minister, but he is a respected

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<v Speaker 3>figure in the international community and it's interesting that he

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<v Speaker 3>is choosing to engage and give advice to the government

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<v Speaker 3>on going a bit further in its actions in relation

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<v Speaker 3>to the role of Israel. His view will be taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we've obviously seen a lot of division in

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<v Speaker 3>the community in the last year and a half after

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<v Speaker 3>two years, and the Prime Minister and his colleagues will

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<v Speaker 3>be weighing all of that up as they decide what

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<v Speaker 3>their position should be. But they certainly are in a

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<v Speaker 3>stronger position electorally and that may well embolden them to

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<v Speaker 3>take a little more action than they have in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Karen, thank you so much for your time. It's been

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<v Speaker 1>great speaking with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having Me Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, Trade Minister Don Ferrell says

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian government will keep pushing for the United States

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<v Speaker 1>to dunp tariffs on Australian goods entirely. The comments come

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<v Speaker 1>after a US Corps blocked President Trump's so called Liberation

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<v Speaker 1>Day tariffs from coming into effect, and the United Nations

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<v Speaker 1>Aid warehouse and Gaza has been broken into by Hungary Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 1>The UN says two people have died and more have

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<v Speaker 1>been injured in the incident at the warehouse in central

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<v Speaker 1>Gaza and it's continue viewing its calls for an immediate

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<v Speaker 1>scale up of aid allowed into Gaza by Israel. Seven

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