Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good evening.
Speaker 3: I hope you've all had a RESTful Easter weekend with
Speaker 3: your family. We've got a big show tonight, but let's
Speaker 3: start with this historic news that the leader of the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church, Pope Francis.
Speaker 2: Has died at the age of eighty eight.
Speaker 3: The Pope passed away on Easter Monday local time, a
Speaker 3: significant day in the Catholic calendar that continues to mark
Speaker 3: the resurrection of Jesus Christ. It's incredible he was able
Speaker 3: to survive the Easter weekend and bless the thousands of
Speaker 3: people in Saint Peter's Square.
Speaker 1: Curdie, Fratilli and Sorelli borna Pascua.
Speaker 2: Dear brothers and sisters. Happy Easter, he said.
Speaker 3: Despite being gravely ill, he buoyed the spirits of Christians
Speaker 3: around the world by giving his Easter Sunday blessing. That
Speaker 3: moment will now be known as his final tribute.
Speaker 2: It's incredibly touching.
Speaker 3: As we know, the eighty eight year old Pontiff had
Speaker 3: been battling serious health issues for weeks, including bronchitis and
Speaker 3: double pneumonia. The Vatican confirmed his passing on Easter Monday
Speaker 3: local time co.
Speaker 4: Do you see me for it elier readily, dear brothers
Speaker 4: and sisters, with deep sorrow, I must announce the death
Speaker 4: of our holy Father Francis. At seven point thirty five
Speaker 4: this morning, the Bishop of Rome Francis returned to the
Speaker 4: House of the Father. His entire life was dedicated to
Speaker 4: the service of the Lord and his Church. He taught
Speaker 4: us to live the values of the Gospel with fidelity, courage,
Speaker 4: and universal love, especially toward the poorest and most marginalized.
Speaker 4: With immense gratitude for his example, as a true disciple
Speaker 4: of the Lord Jesus, we commend the soul of Pope
Speaker 4: Francis to the infinite merciful love of the Triune God.
Speaker 3: Pope frances born in nineteen thirty six was a Jesuit priest.
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety eight, Francis became the Archbishop of Buenos Aires,
Speaker 3: then cardinal in two thousand and one, but he never
Speaker 3: expected to be pope. When he went to the papal
Speaker 3: conclave in twenty thirteen, aged seventy six, he booked a
Speaker 3: return airfare from Rome to Argentina on the night of
Speaker 3: his electionist pope, he turned down the papal car and
Speaker 3: used a bus to return to his hotel, and when
Speaker 3: he found out that he wouldn't be returning home that
Speaker 3: he had been elected pope, his fellow Jesuit priest, Father
Speaker 3: Frank Brennan, tells the story that he phoned his local
Speaker 3: Argentinian newsagent to counsel his newspaper delivery and Father Frank
Speaker 3: Brennan will be on the show shortly to share more
Speaker 3: stories about Pope Francis. Now, Francis is widely regarded by
Speaker 3: Catholics as a truly modern pope. Many saw him as trailblazing.
Speaker 3: Conservatives found him too liberal because he put social issues
Speaker 3: to one side and was a climate change activist. A
Speaker 3: major focus of the papacy of Pope Francis was on
Speaker 3: the depth of.
Speaker 2: Faith, over the content of faith.
Speaker 3: He often said that the doctrines of the Church are
Speaker 3: not enough, that individuals must encounter God personally and experience
Speaker 3: the transformative power of faith in their lives. He encouraged
Speaker 3: and challenged Catholics to focus on the practical face of
Speaker 3: being a Catholic and what this means, which Pope Francis
Speaker 3: saw as responding to people in need and particularly those
Speaker 3: who are poorest, most marginalized and most vulnerable. He encouraged
Speaker 3: Catholics to treat their faith as going into a field hospital,
Speaker 3: going to the front line, and serving the poor. He
Speaker 3: took the papacy twelve years ago, and it made him
Speaker 3: the first non European pope in more than one thousand years.
Speaker 2: He was born as jog Mario Bergoglio.
Speaker 3: He chose the name Pope Francis after Saint Francis of Assisi,
Speaker 3: the saint who helped the poor. He was also known
Speaker 3: as the Pope of personal encounter and great symbolism. On
Speaker 3: his first Holy Thursday's Pope, he famously kissed and washed
Speaker 3: the feet of juvenile offenders at an island prison. It
Speaker 3: was a major entry point for migrants arriving in Europe.
Speaker 3: It was for him to show solidarity with those seeking refuge,
Speaker 3: and throughout his public life he was known for having
Speaker 3: a less formal approach to the papacy compared with his predecessors.
Speaker 3: His more liberal leanings also sparked debate and even controversy
Speaker 3: on both sides of the political spectrum. In twenty fifteen,
Speaker 3: he released his famous encyclical Lodotto Seed Care for our
Speaker 3: Common Home, which where he called for a new dialogue
Speaker 3: about how we're shaping the future of our planet, and
Speaker 3: he's spoke in it about the environmental challenge where undergoing.
Speaker 3: He was also a pope that wanted to bring the church.
Speaker 2: To the people and do away with pageantry.
Speaker 3: Whether or not you agreed with how he went about
Speaker 3: things or his views, he certainly has left a lasting
Speaker 3: legacy on the lives of more than one billion people
Speaker 3: of the Catholic faith, as well as those who are not.
Speaker 3: In fact, recent reforms seemed to suggest that he might
Speaker 3: have known he was nearing the end and was keen
Speaker 3: to have an impact on the church even after his passing.
Speaker 3: His death comes weeks after he published his autobiography called Hope.
Speaker 3: It's the first memoir written by a sitting pope, and
Speaker 3: France has also created twenty one new cardinals, with all
Speaker 3: bar one under eighty years old, meaning they're eligible to
Speaker 3: vote in a conclave to elect his successor. Even more telling,
Speaker 3: Pope Francis extended the terms of two other cardinals now
Speaker 3: in accordance with his wishes that he revised just last year.
Speaker 3: Francis's funeral rites have been simplified. There'll be much less
Speaker 3: pomp and circumstance, he won't be buried in the Vatican Grottos,
Speaker 3: as his tradition, but in one of his favorite.
Speaker 2: Churches in Rome. Now, as we've been.
Speaker 3: Reporting you this news, people around the world have begun
Speaker 3: to pay their respects, from.
Speaker 2: Vatican City to Sydney.
Speaker 3: And other Australian cathedrals. Here was Anthony Alberinezi just a
Speaker 3: little earlier.
Speaker 5: Australian Catholics and faithful around the world give thanks for
Speaker 5: the life of their Holy Father, Pope Francis, Bishop of Rome. Today,
Speaker 5: the prayers of more than a billion people from all nations,
Speaker 5: in every walk of life go with Pope Francis to
Speaker 5: his rest. May God welcome Pope Francis to eternal life.
Speaker 3: Our position leader Peter Dutton also spoke this evening on.
Speaker 6: Behalf of the Coalition. I expressed my condolences to Australians
Speaker 6: of Catholic and Christian faith upon the very sad news
Speaker 6: of the death of the two hundred and sixty sixth Pontiff.
Speaker 6: His Holiness, Pope Francis served God with the utmost devotion
Speaker 6: throughout his life. He was the first pope from the
Speaker 6: Jesuit order and the first Latin American pope. He lived
Speaker 6: frugally and simply above all else, he was driven by
Speaker 6: Christ's values of mercy and forgiveness.
Speaker 3: And here was Archbishop of Sydney Anthony Fisher on with
Speaker 3: Andrew Bolts a little earlier.
Speaker 7: It's a big loss for us. He's been our shepherd
Speaker 7: now for a decade. We've got very use to him
Speaker 7: being our pope, and he is a symbol of the
Speaker 7: unity of the Church throughout the world that more than
Speaker 7: a billion Catholics that usedkov. But we're also very grateful
Speaker 7: that we had him till the age of eighty eight.
Speaker 7: We could have lost him some months ago. That he
Speaker 7: got to live through to Easter to give his Zeaster
Speaker 7: message to the world before he died was very special,
Speaker 7: and I'm glad that we got that little bit extra
Speaker 7: at the end.
Speaker 3: Pope Francis's passing is a transformative moment for the Catholic Church,
Speaker 3: and we'll continue to bring you live updates tonight, including
Speaker 3: we're going to cross to Vatican City shortly. But more
Speaker 3: than that, I appreciate that this is a day of
Speaker 3: mourning for the world's Catholics, and I want all our
Speaker 3: Catholic viewers to know that we're thinking of you and
Speaker 3: sending our condolences. Pope Francis never stopped reminding the Catholic
Speaker 3: faithful of the importance of their belief in the resurrection,
Speaker 3: which he said epitomized the hope of the Catholic faith
Speaker 3: that death life is changed, not taken away. Okay, we're
Speaker 3: going to get to the federal election campaign shortly. There's
Speaker 3: a lot to speak about on that topic. But first
Speaker 3: to respond to this historic passing of Pope Francis, let's
Speaker 3: hear from Father Frank Brennan. Father, welcome to the program
Speaker 3: and I'm sorry that you're joining me under such tragic circumstances.
Speaker 8: Thank you, SUI. But I think we can be joyous
Speaker 8: at the fact that Francis lasted until Easter and he
Speaker 8: was delighted to be with the faithful there in Saint
Speaker 8: Peter's on Easterday, and I think he would have died
Speaker 8: with a sense that all was complete. So after a
Speaker 8: twelve year papacy, I think it's well done and may
Speaker 8: he rest in peace.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had been battling very serious health issues. There
Speaker 3: have been various points over the past few weeks where
Speaker 3: people thought he might not make it so it is
Speaker 3: perhaps even a miracle that he lasted and was able
Speaker 3: to see through this.
Speaker 2: Whole time of year.
Speaker 3: Father, I want to ask you about his legacy to you.
Speaker 3: You know, what will be his most meaningful contribution to
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church.
Speaker 8: I think it'll be on a number of levels, Shuri.
Speaker 8: But first and foremost is that he did not come
Speaker 8: from Europe, as you pointed out, but he came from
Speaker 8: the South, and he came from Argentina. He came from
Speaker 8: a country which had known not only poverty but military war.
Speaker 8: And he had been the leader of the Jesuits as
Speaker 8: a young man during the Dirty Wars in Argentina, and
Speaker 8: so he was very familiar with all of the things
Speaker 8: that are thrown up in the midst of civil war,
Speaker 8: and he brought all of that with him to Rome.
Speaker 8: So I think he was one who had great pastoral sensitivity.
Speaker 8: He was not so much interested in the intellectual nuances
Speaker 8: of moral theology about what made something right or wrong.
Speaker 8: He wanted to be in touch with the aspirations of
Speaker 8: ordinary people, particularly those on the margins. The next thing
Speaker 8: about him is that I think he was always one
Speaker 8: for reaching out to the peripheries. He went to places
Speaker 8: like Mongolia. I remember I was in Rome back in
Speaker 8: twenty twenty two and there he was in his wheelchair
Speaker 8: heading off on his plane to the Congo. Here was
Speaker 8: a man who really wanted the church to be truly universal.
Speaker 8: I think in terms of his teaching, the abiding things
Speaker 8: will be his two great encyclicals, Laudato Sea and for Tellytutti.
Speaker 8: In Laudato Sea he spoke eloquently about the relationship between
Speaker 8: climate change and our need to have a concern not
Speaker 8: just for the planet, but for the poor and for ourselves.
Speaker 8: And in for Telltoutti, he spoke about the need for solidarity,
Speaker 8: particularly across national boarders, with a great commitment to my
Speaker 8: nagrants and refugees. And then within the life of the
Speaker 8: church itself, Shari he was a great one for this
Speaker 8: principle of what he called sinidelity. Now that's a bit
Speaker 8: of a mysterious word to those who aren't Catholic, so
Speaker 8: just to unpack it slightly. Coming from his Jesuit tradition,
Speaker 8: he very much emphasized the need for discernment that indeed
Speaker 8: popes would make final decisions, but there was a need
Speaker 8: for processes where everyone had a place at the table
Speaker 8: and where you were attentive to the needs of everybody.
Speaker 8: And I think that will be a signature of his papacy,
Speaker 8: whether at lasts into the next papacy, that might be
Speaker 8: a mooted question, but I think they're the key indicators
Speaker 8: of a great papacy of Pye Prancis when.
Speaker 3: You said he was a pope of the people. And
Speaker 3: there's a wonderful story in the Times tonight about the
Speaker 3: morning that he realized that the Swiss guard outside his
Speaker 3: bedroom door had been on duty the entire night, and
Speaker 3: he invited the soldier in to share his breakfast and
Speaker 3: the guard said up, but I'll be fired, And he said, well,
Speaker 3: who is your boss? And he also reportedly once worked
Speaker 3: as a nightclub bouncer. He even, to his book launch,
Speaker 3: invited the homeless and invited beggars to join him for
Speaker 3: his birthday breakfast.
Speaker 2: So this is a break with what has been seen
Speaker 2: as the tradition in the Vatican.
Speaker 8: Absolutely. I mean Suri think back to the first pastoral
Speaker 8: visit he made outside Rome. Where did he go? He
Speaker 8: went to Lamproducer, that island in the middle of the Mediterranean,
Speaker 8: which is the landfall for asylum seekers coming from Africa. Now,
Speaker 8: he didn't have all the answers about national security and
Speaker 8: national borders and migration programs, but he wanted to put
Speaker 8: himself on the line in doing these very symbolic as.
Speaker 8: And when he was on the plane coming back from
Speaker 8: Brazil on that occasion and all the journalists were keen
Speaker 8: to ask him about church teaching on gay and lesbian
Speaker 8: issues or whatever, and he just said, who am I
Speaker 8: to judge? It was those sorts of touches that he had,
Speaker 8: which I think spoke of the great pastoral solicitude of
Speaker 8: the matter.
Speaker 2: Father just before you go. Of course, this is a
Speaker 2: sad day.
Speaker 3: But when we do reflect on the Pope's legacy, you know,
Speaker 3: you can't. It would be remiss not to mention that
Speaker 3: conservatives were frustrated with Pope Francis.
Speaker 2: You know, what's your view of this?
Speaker 1: My view is, I mean they had a point.
Speaker 8: I mean those who were great devtees, particularly of John
Speaker 8: Paul too and then of Pope Benedict, where they wanted
Speaker 8: to have certainty about what the tenants of the faith were.
Speaker 8: Now along came Francis and basically upended a lot of that.
Speaker 8: And so it was that lack of certainty, which for
Speaker 8: a lot of the conservatives did cause upset. And I
Speaker 8: think that's going to be an ongoing tension in the
Speaker 8: Roman Catholic Church in the twenty first century.
Speaker 1: Sarie.
Speaker 8: There are going to be those in the church who say, well, look,
Speaker 8: it really is only for those who want to sign
Speaker 8: up to all of the teachings over against the admission.
Speaker 8: We're all sinners, we all need forgiveness, and as Pope
Speaker 8: Francis often said, the Euchrist is there to feed those
Speaker 8: who are sinners, and that sort of conflict I think
Speaker 8: is going to be with us for some time to come.
Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, father Frank Brennan, appreciate you joining us
Speaker 3: on tonight, such a day of mourning, and of course
Speaker 3: you knew the Pope personally, so we really do appreciate
Speaker 3: your time.
Speaker 2: Thank you, yes, and.
Speaker 8: May he rest in peace. And I think it'll be
Speaker 8: a long time before there's another Jesuit Popechery, but I
Speaker 8: think this one has given us something to run with
Speaker 8: for many years to come.
Speaker 3: Indeed, well, thank you so much again. Good to see
Speaker 3: your father, Frank Brennan. Now we'll be covering more of
Speaker 3: the posts passing tonight will cross live to Rome to
Speaker 3: show you the gathering crowds in Vatican City on this
Speaker 3: day of mourning. But now let's turn to the federal
Speaker 3: election campaign.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 2: This weekend we learned.
Speaker 3: The news that Attorney General Mark Dreyfus is preferencing the
Speaker 3: anti Symitic Greens in his Victorian seat of Isaacs. He's
Speaker 3: the most senior Jewish member of the government and this
Speaker 3: is a huge betrayal from someone who should know better.
Speaker 3: Dreyfus will instruct voters to put Green's candidate Matthew Kerwen
Speaker 3: as number two, despite the party's well known anti Israel,
Speaker 3: pro Palestinian position that has been so highly offensive to
Speaker 3: the Jewish community. In an attempt to hide this, the
Speaker 3: how to vote card only says Kerwan's name, not which
Speaker 3: party he belongs to. Now, I invited Labor m P
Speaker 3: Josh Burns onto the program tonight. In fact, I've been
Speaker 3: asking him to come on for most of this election
Speaker 3: campaign because he did what no other Labor and P
Speaker 3: has done. He refused to preference the Greens in his
Speaker 3: Victorian seat of Macnamara. He fought and fought with Labor
Speaker 3: for weeks, and he simply refused to direct voters to
Speaker 3: preference the Greens. Instead, he's running an open ticket.
Speaker 2: Now you all know that.
Speaker 3: I think the Albanezy government has been horrific when it
Speaker 3: comes to its treatment of the Jewish community and Israel.
Speaker 3: They've been weak and morally corrupt. But Josh Burns has
Speaker 3: been pushing back against this, and he proves that just
Speaker 3: because he's part of federal Labor doesn't mean he has
Speaker 3: to lack the moral clarity when it comes to this
Speaker 3: antisemitism crisis. Now, Josh Burns has been on my program
Speaker 3: several times and I often speak with him as well,
Speaker 3: and he said he would come on my show, and
Speaker 3: he was keen to come on tonight in fact, but
Speaker 3: then he counseled his appearance. The reason Labor Party officials
Speaker 3: did not want him to come on my program. Anthony
Speaker 3: Albineze's team has blocked a Jewish labor politician, Josh Burns,
Speaker 3: from coming on my show.
Speaker 2: I find this extraordinary.
Speaker 3: Well to discuss this and more, let's bring in now
Speaker 3: Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and DPG Advisory Solutions founder Farmer
Speaker 3: John Howard advisor David Gazzard. Welcome to you both, we'll
Speaker 3: come back to the Pope, We'll come back to other topics,
Speaker 3: but I just want to.
Speaker 2: Get your reaction to that, Holly.
Speaker 3: Firstly, that Mark Dreyfus can preference the Green second, and
Speaker 3: then that the Labor Party can block Labor and Peace
Speaker 3: from coming on my program.
Speaker 2: I mean, Shariy.
Speaker 10: The thing is, I'd like to say I'm surprised, but
Speaker 10: the reality is I'm not at all. We know that
Speaker 10: this Labor government is looking to whatever future they can find,
Speaker 10: and if that is a deal with the Greens, that
Speaker 10: is what they will do. And they are so desperate
Speaker 10: to keep the Greens in their pocket they would do this.
Speaker 10: For a Jewish member of Parliament to put the Greens
Speaker 10: anywhere on their how to vote above people that are
Speaker 10: not blatant anti semitics is beyond comprehension. But you know,
Speaker 10: and I've said this before and I'll say it again,
Speaker 10: if they didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any
Speaker 10: at all.
Speaker 1: It's just abhorrent, but.
Speaker 10: It's absolutely to be expected by these.
Speaker 2: People, David.
Speaker 3: I also think you know, Anthony Abernezi claimed he wasn't
Speaker 3: going to be a woke prime minister.
Speaker 2: That was false.
Speaker 3: He said that his government would speak to all audiences,
Speaker 3: but they won't allow a Labor MP to come on Sky.
Speaker 2: News at night.
Speaker 11: Well, contrast that with you know, fairly recent history. You
Speaker 11: don't have to cast your mind back too far to
Speaker 11: the nineteen eight election where the Labor Party insisted, as it's.
Speaker 1: Done for nearly thirty years, that the Liberal.
Speaker 11: Party must put one nation last because Pauline Hansen had
Speaker 11: said that we had too much Asian immigration in Australia.
Speaker 1: This was such a.
Speaker 11: Point of enormous principle that the Labor Party pushed and
Speaker 11: pushed and pushed and pushed. And now we see them
Speaker 11: in a position where there are members of the Greens
Speaker 11: who are openly, if not supportive of Hamas, they cannot
Speaker 11: countenance condemning Hamas, and openly anti Semitic in some cases.
Speaker 11: So you know, jump forward now, this is what happens
Speaker 11: when you have a primary vote that is at historic
Speaker 11: levels and the Labor Party cannot win government without preferencing
Speaker 11: the Greens. So politics has trumped print here and is
Speaker 11: one of the reasons why I would say, if you're
Speaker 11: a voter in this upcoming election, don't let our political
Speaker 11: system fragment with independence and Teals and Greens and minor
Speaker 11: parties directing what the major parties have to do in
Speaker 11: the Parliament if they're sitting in a balance of power position.
Speaker 3: I want to get your take on where this election's going, Holly.
Speaker 3: The polls now have Labor clearly ahead even minority government,
Speaker 3: if not government. I mean the polls reflect a national sentiment.
Speaker 3: The liberals pathway to victory is in those say fourteen
Speaker 3: to twenty seats where they're running those very specific campaigns.
Speaker 3: So what's your take at the moment. Do you think
Speaker 3: this is realistically a two term proposition for the coalition
Speaker 3: to return to government or you know, what sort of
Speaker 3: chance do you think Dutton has here?
Speaker 12: I think it's important voters keep asking themselves the question,
Speaker 12: and we need to do better at reminding them. The
Speaker 12: question is are you better off today than you were
Speaker 12: three years ago? And for almost every Australian, if not
Speaker 12: every Australian, the answer will be absolutely not. This has
Speaker 12: become an ongoing struggle for ever Australians every single day
Speaker 12: to put groceries on the table, to pay the rent,
Speaker 12: to pay the mortgage, to keep the lights on. And
Speaker 12: we know Australians are doing it tougher each and every day.
Speaker 12: It doesn't seem to be resonating with Australians in the
Speaker 12: sense that they are not blaming alban Easy and quite frankly,
Speaker 12: I'm bereft as to why they are not, because the
Speaker 12: last time a coalition government was in power, we saw
Speaker 12: them through a pandemic and sustained businesses, sustained employment, made
Speaker 12: sure that Australians were kept safe. And as soon as
Speaker 12: these guys have got their hands on the true ventures,
Speaker 12: they've made a complete and art disaster of it.
Speaker 3: David, what do you think do you think there is
Speaker 3: still a pathway for Peter Darton to win this election?
Speaker 2: And if so, what is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Look, I mean this shows you how Sharion shows you
Speaker 11: how far campaigning has come in our lifetimes.
Speaker 1: Where you know, in the old days, we'd watched the.
Speaker 11: Evening NEWSS, we'd see what was in the paper, we'd
Speaker 11: look at the ads on television and there was a
Speaker 11: national campaign and you could sort of gauge where it
Speaker 11: was going and the national polls meant something. Nowadays, with
Speaker 11: the fracturing of the media, with disengagement with the public.
Speaker 1: It's much harder to tell.
Speaker 11: And the Liberal Cup Party I think are running and
Speaker 11: Label would be doing this as well. They're running micro
Speaker 11: campaigns targeted on the ground, dumping a lot of money
Speaker 11: into those.
Speaker 1: Seats that are absolutely critical.
Speaker 11: And so it's difficult to tell when you look at
Speaker 11: the benchmark national national polls now that there's been.
Speaker 1: A whole ranger poles.
Speaker 11: So you know, there's internal party and there's external public polls.
Speaker 1: Someone is going to get this spectacularly wrong.
Speaker 11: It's of twenty nineteen where there were a lot of
Speaker 11: people scratching their head on election night going but the polls.
Speaker 1: The polls, how did they get it so wrong? Well,
Speaker 1: we may be in for that again this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, someone's going to get it wrong, whether it's
Speaker 3: the internal polling. And by the way, we've got the
Speaker 3: Liberal Party polster coming on this program tomorrow night, so
Speaker 3: don't miss the show tomorrow night. Now, I just want to,
Speaker 3: you know, talk just before we go for a minute
Speaker 3: about the horrific drownings that happened over this Easter weekend.
Speaker 2: Six people, including.
Speaker 3: A nine year old boy, drowned. And then there was
Speaker 3: this man who was washed away by monsters earth on
Speaker 3: the weekend and he owned up to this stupid stunt
Speaker 3: to have a Look.
Speaker 13: I nearly died today. This is by far one of
Speaker 13: the stupidest things I have ever done. I tried to
Speaker 13: jump in the washing machine down at Froggies and the
Speaker 13: wave come over and I didn't get a chance to
Speaker 13: jump underneath the water and it washed me up onto
Speaker 13: the rock.
Speaker 2: Look, he was lucky to survive.
Speaker 3: But Holly, I mean, young people have to stop doing
Speaker 3: stunts like this for social media.
Speaker 12: I mean they could lose doing stupid stuff.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Look guess what.
Speaker 12: Guess what, we all as taxpayers paid for him to
Speaker 12: go to the hospital and get fixed up. Now, I'm
Speaker 12: glad he survived that because hopefully he'll never do anything
Speaker 12: that's stupid again, and it'll be a lesson to others.
Speaker 12: Young people. Look, make bad choices, do stupid things. That's
Speaker 12: part of the growth experience and how you learn. But seriously,
Speaker 12: I mean, what would possess you to do that? But
Speaker 12: we have a health system that then pays to fix
Speaker 12: you up with a rescue system, emergency services system. And
Speaker 12: you know it's you and I that are all paying
Speaker 12: for that stupid behavior.
Speaker 3: Indeed, and look, we also extend our condolences to the
Speaker 3: families of all of those who lost their lives who
Speaker 3: drowned over the Easter weekend just for enjoying the beach
Speaker 3: and there was unexpectedly wild waves.
Speaker 2: All Right, David Gazzard, Holly Hughes, thank you both so
Speaker 2: much for your time.
Speaker 1: Thanks Charlie.
Speaker 3: Well, let's return now to the breaking news this evening
Speaker 3: that has shocked Catholics around the world, the death of
Speaker 3: Pope Francis. And we'll cross now to the Vatican City
Speaker 3: where CNN reporter Barby Nadout.
Speaker 2: Is with us.
Speaker 3: There might be a slight delay here, Bobby. What's the
Speaker 3: reaction like on the ground. Are we seeing mourners starting
Speaker 3: to gather at the Vatican?
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, we are seeing wanners start together at
Speaker 14: the Vatican. You know, it's really so poignant because yesterday
Speaker 14: on Easter Sunday, he made this sort of surprise appearance.
Speaker 14: He's been convalescing now since he left the host March
Speaker 14: twenty third. He's suffering double pneumonia, and he'd been making.
Speaker 2: Sort of a surprise appearances.
Speaker 14: No one expected him necessarily to lead the mass yesterday,
Speaker 14: but he did. Bless those crowds who had gathered and
Speaker 14: then after that he got into his potmobile with a
Speaker 14: lot of help and went around and was blessing and
Speaker 14: kissing babies and blessing the people who had gathered there
Speaker 14: several tens of thousands for the Holy Eastern Mass. And
Speaker 14: then to hear the news this morning at seven thirty
Speaker 14: five am that he had died is just shocking to
Speaker 14: so many people. It must be said, his voice was
Speaker 14: very weak yesterday, he did not look well, but of
Speaker 14: course eighty eight year old man who's been so terribly sick.
Speaker 2: But it is shocking.
Speaker 14: There are people that are gathering in Saint Peter's Square
Speaker 14: and all the churches of Rome. Bells were ringing earlier
Speaker 14: today to announce the death, which is the custom here,
Speaker 14: and now people are just praying. You know, he was
Speaker 14: a very unwell man, and I think any of us
Speaker 14: with a relative that old and unwell would see this
Speaker 14: is a bit of a blessing because he was suffered.
Speaker 14: But still it's very shocking to Catholics around the world
Speaker 14: and all those especially who are here in Rome for Easter.
Speaker 3: Indeed, so this is obviously a historic com mondment. Bobby,
Speaker 3: how have world laid has reacted? And you know, what
Speaker 3: do we expect to happen over the coming days.
Speaker 2: Will any visit to attend his funeral?
Speaker 14: Well, you know, it's it's been a long time since
Speaker 14: there's been an active papal funeral, the last one of
Speaker 14: an active pope who was John Paul the Second, and
Speaker 14: there we had world leaders, people from all over the
Speaker 14: world who came to see him lying in state and
Speaker 14: who had come for the funeral. Now, this particular pope,
Speaker 14: Pope Francis, had said.
Speaker 2: He does not want to lie in.
Speaker 14: State, and he has pretty much toned down the pomp
Speaker 14: and circumstance of a papal funeral.
Speaker 2: But of course he won't have a say in it.
Speaker 14: So we'll see exactly what the Vatican does that funeral,
Speaker 14: which has not been announced yet. We don't expect that
Speaker 14: to be announced today by any means. You know, these
Speaker 14: things have been in the works for a long time.
Speaker 14: He was so unwell in the hospital. There were preparations made, obviously,
Speaker 14: but you know, all of the cardinals will have to
Speaker 14: come to Rome who are a voting age for the
Speaker 14: conclave which will happen in the days after the funeral.
Speaker 14: But you know, right now, it's just a time for
Speaker 14: reflection and appreciation of a very beloved pope here in Roll.
Speaker 3: All right, Barby, really appreciate you joining us with that
Speaker 3: update live from Rome.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: All Right, let's check in with a campaign trail now
Speaker 3: and Sky News reporter Julia Bradley has been traveling with
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi. Julia, good to see you now.
Speaker 3: One of the big stories that came out of today
Speaker 3: was the protester who crashed Albanese's campaign trail in the
Speaker 3: ultra marginal seat of Gilmour.
Speaker 2: This wasn't a great look for Albanzi.
Speaker 15: It wasn't Shari. It was really a tale of two
Speaker 15: cities that could be said today for the Prime minister
Speaker 15: because this afternoon campaigning in Melbourne in marginal seats, he's
Speaker 15: been pretty well received. But it was a very different
Speaker 15: story this morning on the New Southwest Central Coast, as
Speaker 15: you say, campaign in that ultra marginal seat of Gilmore.
Speaker 15: It's held by the Labor Party Fiona Phillips since twenty nineteen,
Speaker 15: but one firmly in the Liberal parties sites. In fact,
Speaker 15: they're running a high profile candidate in Andrew Constance, formerly
Speaker 15: of course a Liberal state minister. Now, we saw a
Speaker 15: number of protesters target the PM's campaign this morning as
Speaker 15: he attended that urgent care clinic in Batemans Bay. There
Speaker 15: was one woman there who was shouting really unhappy with
Speaker 15: the state of housing in that area. But also two
Speaker 15: other men who lead up a local protest group. They're
Speaker 15: really unhappy about the fact that the Bateman's Bay Emergency
Speaker 15: Department is being relocated further south, about twenty minutes away
Speaker 15: as part of this multi million dollar.
Speaker 2: Construction of a brand new hospital.
Speaker 15: Now, this was a decision made by the former state
Speaker 15: Liberal government of which Andrew Constance was a part of.
Speaker 15: But they say that it's on the labor government now
Speaker 15: state and federal to sort this out, consult with people
Speaker 15: and get it done.
Speaker 2: And let's have a look at the protest that you
Speaker 2: just spoke about here she.
Speaker 13: Was faced.
Speaker 16: This site, what this had breaking out, paying out of home.
Speaker 10: You look at where coming baking houses in this community
Speaker 10: and Julia.
Speaker 3: This campaign has been different because we haven't seen much
Speaker 3: of Albanezi doing street walks. In my view, it's a
Speaker 3: reflection of the fact that it is so unpopular as
Speaker 3: Prime minister. You know, he's only got the primary vote
Speaker 3: of about a third of Australian so he's been limiting
Speaker 3: his interactions with the public. Very different from say Kevin
Speaker 3: Rudd's campaign in two thousand and seven when he couldn't
Speaker 3: get enough street walks because he was so popular at
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 15: There's no doubt Chariot it's been an incredibly tightly controlled
Speaker 15: campaign for the Prime Minister. But I'd have to say
Speaker 15: also the opposition a number of reasons for this.
Speaker 2: Of course the security.
Speaker 15: We've seen a number of protesters Heckler's come out over
Speaker 15: the course of the last few weeks. That's played into
Speaker 15: it as well. But as you mentioned, perhaps political as well.
Speaker 15: There is an ability here to ensure that you have
Speaker 15: those official media events for the day. When the journalists
Speaker 15: arrive and ask questions, it's all very controlled. There are
Speaker 15: some more candid moments away from the cameras with voters,
Speaker 15: but journalists not always in attendance. So for example, today
Speaker 15: when we were in Gilmore, we all jumped on the
Speaker 15: plane heading to our next location, which happened to be Melbourne.
Speaker 15: But today we saw the Prime minister. He was there
Speaker 15: a little bit longer with the local MP there, Fiona Phillips.
Speaker 15: He was at a cafe and we saw him post
Speaker 15: on social media a picture of him holding a baby.
Speaker 15: So there have been those more candid interactions. The question
Speaker 15: is though, whether the media have been able to capture
Speaker 15: all of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, they're happening so that their stage managed so
Speaker 3: that the media doesn't get to see the more hostile
Speaker 3: interactions as much as the leaders can help it.
Speaker 2: All right, Julia Bradley, thank you very much for the update.
Speaker 2: All Right, still to come.
Speaker 3: We'll keep bringing you live updates from the Vatican City.
Speaker 3: Also tonight on the show, the Coachella Music Festival broadcasts
Speaker 3: anti Israel messages for the world to see. Well, what
Speaker 3: a gross betrayal of the hundreds of innocent young Israelis
Speaker 3: who were slaughtered at the Nova Music Festival. Plus why
Speaker 3: is Albanesi lying about the threat of Russia in the
Speaker 3: Indo Pacific?
Speaker 2: Well, Malcolm Davis will join me next, welcome back.
Speaker 3: Well, when it comes to Moscow's plans to strengthen military
Speaker 3: ties with Indonesia, we're seeing both Russian propaganda and Albanesi's spin.
Speaker 3: Russia has accused Australia of a scare campaign, with its
Speaker 3: ambassador to Indonesia asking why we'd be concerned over their relationship,
Speaker 3: suggesting that Canbra's national interests cannot extend to the territory
Speaker 3: of brings sovereign states that pursue active and independent policies.
Speaker 3: But meanwhile, alban Easy is still trying to lie over
Speaker 3: Russia's increasing military ties with Jakata.
Speaker 15: Do you know if MOSCO made an approach to Indonesia
Speaker 15: and do you now con see that Russia wants a
Speaker 15: bigger presence in our region.
Speaker 5: I have no wish to help promote Russia's propaganda messages
Speaker 5: and I'd suggest that that's not in Australia's national interest either.
Speaker 6: I think the Prime Minister again has sort of ducked
Speaker 6: and weaved on this question. Today. The government's language keeps changing,
Speaker 6: which just seems strange, and we have asked for a
Speaker 6: briefing it's still not forthcoming from the government. So what
Speaker 6: do they have to hide? I just wish this Prime
Speaker 6: Minister could be open and honest with the Australian people,
Speaker 6: and he hasn't been in relation to this issue.
Speaker 3: An Australian Strategic Policy Institute senior analyst Malcolm Davis joins us. Now, Malcolm,
Speaker 3: thanks for your time. Look of course Australia has a
Speaker 3: right to be concerned and to know what russia Is
Speaker 3: plans are for our region. Nothing could be more important,
Speaker 3: But we keep seeing the Prime Minister trying to deflect.
Speaker 3: He just won't answer the question what do you think
Speaker 3: about this?
Speaker 7: Look.
Speaker 9: I do think we need to take this issue very seriously.
Speaker 9: It is very clear to most of the strategic policy
Speaker 9: community here in Australia and overseas that Russia and China
Speaker 9: are working together, are coordinating their actions to challenge not
Speaker 9: just the US but US allies including Australia, and to
Speaker 9: assert their position across the Indo Pacific. And this latest
Speaker 9: development in terms of Russia probably making a formal request
Speaker 9: to the Indonesian government to host Russian bombers or long
Speaker 9: range maritime control aircraft at Bieck Island. Indonesia's declared that
Speaker 9: it won't accept that, but the request has probably gone through.
Speaker 9: This latest development is part of that strategic coordination between
Speaker 9: Beijing and Moscow that is designed to challenge our interests
Speaker 9: and our security, and it is incumbent upon any government,
Speaker 9: whether it's the Labor government that comes out after May
Speaker 9: third or Liberal National Coalition government to take this seriously,
Speaker 9: and that requires increasing defense spending rather significantly.
Speaker 3: There's also growing concern that America is potentially not funding
Speaker 3: the Pacific enough that this is leaving a power vacuum. Now,
Speaker 3: this has been a concern for over a decade that
Speaker 3: the United States isn't given quite enough funding to the
Speaker 3: Pacific and Beijing is filling the shoes. But of course
Speaker 3: we are seeing these criticisms become more public now that
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is in charge. But it has been an
Speaker 3: issue for a long time that Australia has been begging
Speaker 3: whichever US administration is in power to increase its funding
Speaker 3: in the Pacific. Again, this is essential, This is our region.
Speaker 3: This is not just about Australia, but about United States
Speaker 3: strategic interests to hold back China's expansion exactly.
Speaker 9: And what we're talking about here is soft power, the
Speaker 9: ability of Australia, Japan and others alongside the United States
Speaker 9: to work together to try and prevent China from expanding
Speaker 9: its influence and its presence in the Indo Pacific region,
Speaker 9: including very close to Australia. And part of the problem
Speaker 9: here is that as liberal democracies, we have to follow
Speaker 9: international law when we engage in soft power and diplomacy. Chinese,
Speaker 9: as an authoritarian state, do not. They can come into
Speaker 9: these small Southwest Pacific states with suit literally suitcases of
Speaker 9: cash to give to local politicians and engage in elite capture.
Speaker 9: They also undertake the Belton Road initiative development, which basically
Speaker 9: forces these small states to become dependent on Beijing. So
Speaker 9: we are facing a challenge here in the sense that
Speaker 9: we have to observe the rules. They do not, and
Speaker 9: so they have an advantage against us.
Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, Malcolm Dalvis, Malcolm Davis, really appreciate your insights.
Speaker 2: Thanks for your time.
Speaker 3: Now still to come, the war between Donald Trump Harvard escalates.
Speaker 3: The President now threatens to pull another one billion dollars
Speaker 3: in funding. And the bombshell report that exposes Daniel and
Speaker 3: Andrew's handling.
Speaker 2: Of the COVID pandemic. That's after this quick break.
Speaker 3: Welcome back and joining me now Sky News contributor Joe
Speaker 3: Hildebrand and former Labor and pete Michael dan Be Great.
Speaker 3: Hey guys, Joe, First, I want to ask you about
Speaker 3: tonight's passing of Pope Francis and what he meant to
Speaker 3: you personally.
Speaker 16: It's incredibly sad Pope Francis.
Speaker 3: Was sorry, Joe, I'll just mentioned we are seeing live
Speaker 3: pictures right now of Vatican City where thousands of people
Speaker 3: are starting to gather.
Speaker 16: To my it's incredible. I've been there. It's one of
Speaker 16: the most mind blowingly, profoundly beautiful and moving places in
Speaker 16: the world. But yeah, Pope Francis is a very large
Speaker 16: part of the reason I actually became a Catholic as
Speaker 16: an adult. I was raised a Catholic, but never took
Speaker 16: my first communion, never got confirmed, and Pope Francis had
Speaker 16: just been made Pope, and as I was kind of
Speaker 16: wrestling with it and going to see my priest about
Speaker 16: being properly confirmed as a Catholic, one of the reasons
Speaker 16: I felt sure that it was the right thing to
Speaker 16: do was because of Pope Francis and the direction he
Speaker 16: was taking the church and the new, more inclusive, less dogmatic,
Speaker 16: less reactionary way in which he was doing, and the
Speaker 16: fact that he cared so much about poor people that
Speaker 16: he wasn't dying in a ditch over gay people or
Speaker 16: divorced people. My mum was a divorced, single mum through
Speaker 16: no fault of her own, and so I joined and
Speaker 16: I actually chose as my name. I chose my name
Speaker 16: the head of the Jesuit order that prope Francis was
Speaker 16: a member of, So he was a Jesuit. And I
Speaker 16: actually and my priest was a Jesuit as I got confirmed,
Speaker 16: and I chose Saint Ignacious as my confirmation name as
Speaker 16: part of the Jesuit the Jesuit branch. So very very
Speaker 16: very sad. And I just hope that his I think
Speaker 16: was the best pope we've had in all a century.
Speaker 16: And I hope that his replacement can fill those shoes.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure we'll see conversations in the coming days
Speaker 3: about who will replace him. There is talk that it
Speaker 3: could be an African, so we'll see. And of course
Speaker 3: pep Morels are gathering not just in Vatican City but
Speaker 3: right around the world. Even tonight here in Sydney, Catholics
Speaker 3: are going to St Mary's Cathedral to pay their respects
Speaker 3: every major city Catholics of tonight morning. All right, now,
Speaker 3: let's have a look at this topic that I spoke
Speaker 3: about earlier, labor and peace striking preference deals with the Greens. Now,
Speaker 3: Michael danby your old seat of McNamara, Josh Burns is
Speaker 3: now the MP. Now there have been criticisms that he
Speaker 3: hasn't come out strong enough against the Albaneze government.
Speaker 2: He's been in a difficult position.
Speaker 3: He has done more by far than Attorney General Marc Dreyfus.
Speaker 2: He wasn't allowed to come on my show tonight, Josh Burns.
Speaker 2: The Labor Party blocked him.
Speaker 3: You know, this is extraordinary to me that they're not
Speaker 3: allowing a labor politician, by the way, who's Jewish, to
Speaker 3: speak to me on my program.
Speaker 2: What do you think about this? The fact that he's.
Speaker 3: Running an open ticket, that Mark Drapers is still preferencing
Speaker 3: the Greens number two.
Speaker 17: Share, it's shocking that he's not allowed on your program.
Speaker 17: It's an example of the authoritarianism that is typical of
Speaker 17: the elbow wall socialist left government. And he's running an
Speaker 17: open ticket. But I have a roster of people on
Speaker 17: all polling boots that will actually preference against the Greens.
Speaker 17: So fifty dedicated labor people will be on the McNamara
Speaker 17: polling booths to make sure that the Greens will not
Speaker 17: pass as far as we're considered. So Mark Drapers should
Speaker 17: have done the same thing. But there's a national deal
Speaker 17: with the Green Party, and Marker obviously values his future
Speaker 17: career as an Attorney General if they get re elected,
Speaker 17: and both he and Elbow should have put their rhetoric
Speaker 17: about the Greens being an awful, prejudice and bigoted party
Speaker 17: ahead of this. But ethics didn't count and pragmatism didn't count.
Speaker 17: By the way, Sherry and Joel, they couldn't get one
Speaker 17: Green voter to follow their directions if they told them
Speaker 17: to punish the Labor Party by voting for the Liberals,
Speaker 17: I'd like to see that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's a good, really good point, and that's the
Speaker 16: best how to vote kind I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Michael, I'm glad you've got your own because it's your
Speaker 3: old seat McNamara, So there you go, all right. I
Speaker 3: also want to talk about this issue of Daniel Andrews.
Speaker 3: This bombshell report in the Herald Sun today. These are
Speaker 3: quite incredible documents. It reveals that the mid twenty twenty
Speaker 3: curfew that Danie lange Is introduced was proposed without formal
Speaker 3: input from health authorities. So we're showing you news dot
Speaker 3: com article, but it was actually an exclusive in the
Speaker 3: Herald's Sun. Joe, I mean, this is just how can
Speaker 3: they have imposed these shops. They did, they did polling research,
Speaker 3: but didn't want to be.
Speaker 2: Good of that.
Speaker 16: Again and again there's gone be there's so much armchair quarterbacking.
Speaker 16: So Monday morning quarterbacking of the covie. Oh, we didn't
Speaker 16: know at the time. We did know at the time
Speaker 16: people were saying it. At the time, people were saying
Speaker 16: that this was not evidence based, that there was no
Speaker 16: evidence in some cases, such as the closure of schools,
Speaker 16: that flew in the face of evidence that showed that
Speaker 16: schools were perfectly safe. Now we know that these curfews
Speaker 16: were basically just done on a whim of the Emergency Cabinet,
Speaker 16: and that the so called experts have we told we
Speaker 16: had to trust or we were a bunch of blood heites,
Speaker 16: were in fact completely captive to the political interests of
Speaker 16: the government and through all their expertise, all their supposed
Speaker 16: scientific knowledge or evidence based research or decision making out
Speaker 16: the window just to rub a stamp it. And I
Speaker 16: think we all know who the Victorian Chief Health Officer
Speaker 16: was who was doing that and just nodding and you know,
Speaker 16: meekly going along with whatever Dan Andrews decided he had
Speaker 16: to do. In order to maintain his popularity. It was
Speaker 16: an absolute disgrace. There are thousands of children still missing
Speaker 16: from the school system right across Australia. They'll never be
Speaker 16: seen again, and their future or lack thereof, is on
Speaker 16: the hands of the decision makers during that time.
Speaker 2: I hope I can live with themselves absolutely appalling. Agree,
Speaker 2: I don't know how they do.
Speaker 3: Just quickly before we go, Michael, I have to ask
Speaker 3: you about Coachella, this music festival in the.
Speaker 2: United States in California.
Speaker 3: They had a band that put out this big sign
Speaker 3: f Israel, Free Palestine and more. What about the Nova
Speaker 3: music festival where hundreds of Israelis were literally gunned down.
Speaker 2: This is disgusting.
Speaker 17: It seems to be something some sickness abroad in Ireland
Speaker 17: where they have an obsession about the Israelis. Maybe they're
Speaker 17: envious of their success in technology and business and having
Speaker 17: a booming economy compared to the backwater that Ireland has become.
Speaker 17: But I can't explain this. This is as you point out,
Speaker 17: there were many young women tied to trees by their
Speaker 17: necks and rate by. Is that what Coachella and that
Speaker 17: with this Irish band stands in support of Sick Sharry.
Speaker 17: It's really and they are really.
Speaker 3: Truly truly, it truly is and it's got to be
Speaker 3: the end of this music festival. Right, we're out of time,
Speaker 3: Michael downb thank you both so much. Coming up after
Speaker 3: the break, Harvard meets with Donald Trump and it's not
Speaker 3: looking pretty. Plus, things are going from bad to worse
Speaker 3: for Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth when it comes to his
Speaker 3: use of signal messages. All of that and more with
Speaker 3: Koshagada next. All right, let's bring you now Skynies contributor
Speaker 3: Koshagada Kosher.
Speaker 2: Great to see you.
Speaker 3: Look, let's talk about this epic row between Donald Trump
Speaker 3: and Harvard University. Trump is now threatening to pull another
Speaker 3: billion dollars in funding what's happened and wears this up to.
Speaker 18: Yeah, so this issue is only heating up. We're sort
Speaker 18: of a standoff of sorts between the pre eminent university
Speaker 18: brand in the world and the Trump administration. And what
Speaker 18: undergirds the whole thing, because there's a few layers to it.
Speaker 18: What underguards it is cut and dry financial picture, really,
Speaker 18: because the US spends about eighty billion dollars a year
Speaker 18: in subsidizing higher education. It is one of the US's
Speaker 18: top categories, and they do lots of good work, research,
Speaker 18: they run hospitals, all sorts of things. However, when we're
Speaker 18: at thirty six trillion dollars in debt and you're looking
Speaker 18: at the level of spending cuts that this administration is
Speaker 18: looking to do, that gets called into question. And within
Speaker 18: that Harvard specifically it gets about ten percent of that
Speaker 18: eight or nine billion dollars a year. So that's one question.
Speaker 18: And they're very well at the university, with a huge
Speaker 18: endowment fund, lots of money in their own pockets. And
Speaker 18: then when you layer onto that, there's other questions around
Speaker 18: violations of the Civil Rights Act? Have they been discriminatory
Speaker 18: to students of different backgrounds and student ideology that everybody
Speaker 18: knows that they do at Jewish students for sure became
Speaker 18: a flashpoint as well as others. So he's putting all
Speaker 18: that together and just taking this fight to Harvard, and
Speaker 18: it's going to be very interesting to see how these
Speaker 18: two very powerful institutions, Harvard versus the US government play
Speaker 18: out in the weeks to come.
Speaker 2: With anti sempinism at have it has been appalling.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about US defense Secretary Pete Hegseith, there's new
Speaker 3: revelations that he reportedly shared sensitive military information in another
Speaker 3: signal chats. This is the private messaging app, this time
Speaker 3: with his wife and advisors. What's he saying in his
Speaker 3: defense over this Skotia.
Speaker 18: You know, his defense through his spokesperson Sean Parnell, has
Speaker 18: been that none of the information that's been in these
Speaker 18: signal chats have been classified or were being given in
Speaker 18: any way that has brought danger to the armed forces
Speaker 18: that are out on duty in the world, and that
Speaker 18: will run its course. He's kind of sticking to that.
Speaker 18: I think, Look, this isn't great for him. He was
Speaker 18: already it was a difficult and controversial figure who barely
Speaker 18: got confirmed. He is going out against a law protected interests.
Speaker 18: So there are people who have the knives out for
Speaker 18: him as well, and any such misstep gives an exposure
Speaker 18: point to them. But I think this battle will continue,
Speaker 18: and for now, it does seem that Trump does have
Speaker 18: his back for now and he does serve at the
Speaker 18: pleasure of the president.
Speaker 3: And tonight where we started, the Vice President, Jennie Vance,
Speaker 3: actually met briefly with Pope Francis over the Easter weekend.
Speaker 3: Of course, this was one of his last, if not
Speaker 3: his final, official meeting before the leader of the Catholic
Speaker 3: Church passed away. Kosher tell us about this significance and
Speaker 3: what was discussed at this meeting.
Speaker 18: It was reportedly very short meeting, only minutes long, because
Speaker 18: the Pope obviously had not been in good health. It
Speaker 18: is interesting because Pope francis well. He definitely leaves a
Speaker 18: big legacy, and our heart goes out to millions of
Speaker 18: Christians tonight who loved him dearly. He was, of course
Speaker 18: a controversial figure. People do know that he tended to
Speaker 18: wade into political matters, and one in particular was mass migration.
Speaker 18: Has been an issue that he's weed in on many times.
Speaker 18: That is something where certainly he was maybe diametrically opposed
Speaker 18: to Jeddie Vance's views and the Trump administration's views. So
Speaker 18: they reportedly did speak about that a little bit in
Speaker 18: a few minutes that they had, But after that, I
Speaker 18: think the bulk of Geddie Vance's meeting was actually with
Speaker 18: the second in command underneath the Pope, where they maybe
Speaker 18: had more of a substantive discussion and a longer duration
Speaker 18: of that meeting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, we'll have to see whether world
Speaker 3: leaders do travel to Rome to Vatican City to pay
Speaker 3: their respects to Pope France's. He's, as we've been speaking
Speaker 3: about tonight, passed away at the age of eighty eight
Speaker 3: to write Koshagada.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time.
Speaker 3: Now, stay tuned. We've got a big show every night
Speaker 3: this week. We are in an election campaign less than
Speaker 3: two weeks ago, so make sure you're tuning in every
Speaker 3: night at eight pm. And once again before we go,
Speaker 3: just want to again express my condolences to all of
Speaker 3: our Catholic viewers who are tonight in mourning over the
Speaker 3: passing of Pope Francis.
Speaker 2: Alright, that's all I've got time for today. I'll see
Speaker 2: you tomorrow at eight o'clock. And here's poor Murray
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