WEBVTT - Sharri | 21 April 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:05.320 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry. 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.440 Good evening. 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.319 I hope you've all had a RESTful Easter weekend with 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:12.760 your family. We've got a big show tonight, but let's 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:15.800 start with this historic news that the leader of the 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.200 Catholic Church, Pope Francis. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:19.840 Has died at the age of eighty eight. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.479 The Pope passed away on Easter Monday local time, a 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.000 significant day in the Catholic calendar that continues to mark 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:31.200 the resurrection of Jesus Christ. It's incredible he was able 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.920 to survive the Easter weekend and bless the thousands of 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:37.080 people in Saint Peter's Square. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:44.839 Curdie, Fratilli and Sorelli borna Pascua. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:47.960 Dear brothers and sisters. Happy Easter, he said. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.440 Despite being gravely ill, he buoyed the spirits of Christians 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:57.200 around the world by giving his Easter Sunday blessing. That 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.520 moment will now be known as his final tribute. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:02.200 It's incredibly touching. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:05.280 As we know, the eighty eight year old Pontiff had 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:10.440 been battling serious health issues for weeks, including bronchitis and 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:15.040 double pneumonia. The Vatican confirmed his passing on Easter Monday 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.160 local time co. 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.360 Do you see me for it elier readily, dear brothers 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:23.240 and sisters, with deep sorrow, I must announce the death 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.479 of our holy Father Francis. At seven point thirty five 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:29.920 this morning, the Bishop of Rome Francis returned to the 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.560 House of the Father. His entire life was dedicated to 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:36.680 the service of the Lord and his Church. He taught 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.520 us to live the values of the Gospel with fidelity, courage, 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:45.000 and universal love, especially toward the poorest and most marginalized. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.920 With immense gratitude for his example, as a true disciple 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.000 of the Lord Jesus, we commend the soul of Pope 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:55.720 Francis to the infinite merciful love of the Triune God. 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:01.600 Pope frances born in nineteen thirty six was a Jesuit priest. 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.800 In nineteen ninety eight, Francis became the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:09.360 then cardinal in two thousand and one, but he never 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.400 expected to be pope. When he went to the papal 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:17.240 conclave in twenty thirteen, aged seventy six, he booked a 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.359 return airfare from Rome to Argentina on the night of 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:25.000 his electionist pope, he turned down the papal car and 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.679 used a bus to return to his hotel, and when 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.959 he found out that he wouldn't be returning home that 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.520 he had been elected pope, his fellow Jesuit priest, Father 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.079 Frank Brennan, tells the story that he phoned his local 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:43.040 Argentinian newsagent to counsel his newspaper delivery and Father Frank 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.120 Brennan will be on the show shortly to share more 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:50.520 stories about Pope Francis. Now, Francis is widely regarded by 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:56.440 Catholics as a truly modern pope. Many saw him as trailblazing. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:01.360 Conservatives found him too liberal because he put social issues 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.760 to one side and was a climate change activist. A 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.240 major focus of the papacy of Pope Francis was on 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:09.000 the depth of. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.400 Faith, over the content of faith. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.760 He often said that the doctrines of the Church are 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:20.160 not enough, that individuals must encounter God personally and experience 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.680 the transformative power of faith in their lives. He encouraged 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.359 and challenged Catholics to focus on the practical face of 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.240 being a Catholic and what this means, which Pope Francis 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.360 saw as responding to people in need and particularly those 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:41.840 who are poorest, most marginalized and most vulnerable. He encouraged 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.280 Catholics to treat their faith as going into a field hospital, 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.040 going to the front line, and serving the poor. He 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.360 took the papacy twelve years ago, and it made him 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.800 the first non European pope in more than one thousand years. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.000 He was born as jog Mario Bergoglio. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:05.360 He chose the name Pope Francis after Saint Francis of Assisi, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.440 the saint who helped the poor. He was also known 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.960 as the Pope of personal encounter and great symbolism. On 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:18.520 his first Holy Thursday's Pope, he famously kissed and washed 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.760 the feet of juvenile offenders at an island prison. It 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.159 was a major entry point for migrants arriving in Europe. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:31.200 It was for him to show solidarity with those seeking refuge, 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:34.120 and throughout his public life he was known for having 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:38.640 a less formal approach to the papacy compared with his predecessors. 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:43.160 His more liberal leanings also sparked debate and even controversy 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.760 on both sides of the political spectrum. In twenty fifteen, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:52.440 he released his famous encyclical Lodotto Seed Care for our 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:56.720 Common Home, which where he called for a new dialogue 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:00.280 about how we're shaping the future of our planet, and 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.520 he's spoke in it about the environmental challenge where undergoing. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.960 He was also a pope that wanted to bring the church. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.960 To the people and do away with pageantry. 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.640 Whether or not you agreed with how he went about 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.200 things or his views, he certainly has left a lasting 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.760 legacy on the lives of more than one billion people 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.120 of the Catholic faith, as well as those who are not. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.760 In fact, recent reforms seemed to suggest that he might 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.479 have known he was nearing the end and was keen 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.320 to have an impact on the church even after his passing. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:41.720 His death comes weeks after he published his autobiography called Hope. 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:46.240 It's the first memoir written by a sitting pope, and 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.360 France has also created twenty one new cardinals, with all 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.839 bar one under eighty years old, meaning they're eligible to 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:58.520 vote in a conclave to elect his successor. Even more telling, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:03.800 Pope Francis extended the terms of two other cardinals now 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.400 in accordance with his wishes that he revised just last year. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:13.000 Francis's funeral rites have been simplified. There'll be much less 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:17.520 pomp and circumstance, he won't be buried in the Vatican Grottos, 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.920 as his tradition, but in one of his favorite. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.640 Churches in Rome. Now, as we've been. 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.880 Reporting you this news, people around the world have begun 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.200 to pay their respects, from. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.799 Vatican City to Sydney. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:36.159 And other Australian cathedrals. Here was Anthony Alberinezi just a 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:36.880 little earlier. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:42.839 Australian Catholics and faithful around the world give thanks for 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:48.919 the life of their Holy Father, Pope Francis, Bishop of Rome. Today, 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.320 the prayers of more than a billion people from all nations, 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.520 in every walk of life go with Pope Francis to 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:02.680 his rest. May God welcome Pope Francis to eternal life. 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:09.400 Our position leader Peter Dutton also spoke this evening on. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:13.080 Behalf of the Coalition. I expressed my condolences to Australians 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.280 of Catholic and Christian faith upon the very sad news 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.920 of the death of the two hundred and sixty sixth Pontiff. 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.120 His Holiness, Pope Francis served God with the utmost devotion 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.040 throughout his life. He was the first pope from the 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:30.080 Jesuit order and the first Latin American pope. He lived 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.600 frugally and simply above all else, he was driven by 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.640 Christ's values of mercy and forgiveness. 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.120 And here was Archbishop of Sydney Anthony Fisher on with 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:42.800 Andrew Bolts a little earlier. 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.840 It's a big loss for us. He's been our shepherd 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.040 now for a decade. We've got very use to him 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:55.080 being our pope, and he is a symbol of the 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.440 unity of the Church throughout the world that more than 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.920 a billion Catholics that usedkov. But we're also very grateful 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.120 that we had him till the age of eighty eight. 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.440 We could have lost him some months ago. That he 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.040 got to live through to Easter to give his Zeaster 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.440 message to the world before he died was very special, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.560 and I'm glad that we got that little bit extra 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:19.240 at the end. 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.679 Pope Francis's passing is a transformative moment for the Catholic Church, 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.200 and we'll continue to bring you live updates tonight, including 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.439 we're going to cross to Vatican City shortly. But more 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.520 than that, I appreciate that this is a day of 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.439 mourning for the world's Catholics, and I want all our 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.160 Catholic viewers to know that we're thinking of you and 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.920 sending our condolences. Pope Francis never stopped reminding the Catholic 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.840 faithful of the importance of their belief in the resurrection, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.640 which he said epitomized the hope of the Catholic faith 0:08:53.120 --> 0:09:02.319 that death life is changed, not taken away. Okay, we're 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.880 going to get to the federal election campaign shortly. There's 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.040 a lot to speak about on that topic. But first 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.079 to respond to this historic passing of Pope Francis, let's 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:15.319 hear from Father Frank Brennan. Father, welcome to the program 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:18.679 and I'm sorry that you're joining me under such tragic circumstances. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.679 Thank you, SUI. But I think we can be joyous 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:28.560 at the fact that Francis lasted until Easter and he 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.800 was delighted to be with the faithful there in Saint 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.360 Peter's on Easterday, and I think he would have died 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:39.080 with a sense that all was complete. So after a 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:43.400 twelve year papacy, I think it's well done and may 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:44.400 he rest in peace. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.920 Yeah, he had been battling very serious health issues. There 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:52.400 have been various points over the past few weeks where 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.400 people thought he might not make it so it is 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:58.920 perhaps even a miracle that he lasted and was able 0:09:58.960 --> 0:09:59.760 to see through this. 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.480 Whole time of year. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:07.000 Father, I want to ask you about his legacy to you. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:11.640 You know, what will be his most meaningful contribution to 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:12.559 the Catholic Church. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.079 I think it'll be on a number of levels, Shuri. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.160 But first and foremost is that he did not come 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.800 from Europe, as you pointed out, but he came from 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.240 the South, and he came from Argentina. He came from 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.880 a country which had known not only poverty but military war. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.080 And he had been the leader of the Jesuits as 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.920 a young man during the Dirty Wars in Argentina, and 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.400 so he was very familiar with all of the things 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.120 that are thrown up in the midst of civil war, 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.200 and he brought all of that with him to Rome. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:53.280 So I think he was one who had great pastoral sensitivity. 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:58.479 He was not so much interested in the intellectual nuances 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.240 of moral theology about what made something right or wrong. 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.280 He wanted to be in touch with the aspirations of 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.319 ordinary people, particularly those on the margins. The next thing 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.880 about him is that I think he was always one 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:15.720 for reaching out to the peripheries. He went to places 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.720 like Mongolia. I remember I was in Rome back in 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.760 twenty twenty two and there he was in his wheelchair 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.920 heading off on his plane to the Congo. Here was 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.959 a man who really wanted the church to be truly universal. 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.200 I think in terms of his teaching, the abiding things 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:38.160 will be his two great encyclicals, Laudato Sea and for Tellytutti. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:43.880 In Laudato Sea he spoke eloquently about the relationship between 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.280 climate change and our need to have a concern not 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.319 just for the planet, but for the poor and for ourselves. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.719 And in for Telltoutti, he spoke about the need for solidarity, 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.880 particularly across national boarders, with a great commitment to my 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.600 nagrants and refugees. And then within the life of the 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.800 church itself, Shari he was a great one for this 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.160 principle of what he called sinidelity. Now that's a bit 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.280 of a mysterious word to those who aren't Catholic, so 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.280 just to unpack it slightly. Coming from his Jesuit tradition, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.800 he very much emphasized the need for discernment that indeed 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.439 popes would make final decisions, but there was a need 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.160 for processes where everyone had a place at the table 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.360 and where you were attentive to the needs of everybody. 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:36.640 And I think that will be a signature of his papacy, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.120 whether at lasts into the next papacy, that might be 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:45.000 a mooted question, but I think they're the key indicators 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.760 of a great papacy of Pye Prancis when. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.320 You said he was a pope of the people. And 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.840 there's a wonderful story in the Times tonight about the 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.560 morning that he realized that the Swiss guard outside his 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.360 bedroom door had been on duty the entire night, and 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:05.400 he invited the soldier in to share his breakfast and 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.560 the guard said up, but I'll be fired, And he said, well, 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.080 who is your boss? And he also reportedly once worked 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:16.080 as a nightclub bouncer. He even, to his book launch, 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:20.960 invited the homeless and invited beggars to join him for 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:22.200 his birthday breakfast. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:27.800 So this is a break with what has been seen 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:30.240 as the tradition in the Vatican. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.520 Absolutely. I mean Suri think back to the first pastoral 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.679 visit he made outside Rome. Where did he go? He 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:41.480 went to Lamproducer, that island in the middle of the Mediterranean, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:47.680 which is the landfall for asylum seekers coming from Africa. Now, 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:52.080 he didn't have all the answers about national security and 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:56.079 national borders and migration programs, but he wanted to put 0:13:56.120 --> 0:14:00.360 himself on the line in doing these very symbolic as. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.240 And when he was on the plane coming back from 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.520 Brazil on that occasion and all the journalists were keen 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.920 to ask him about church teaching on gay and lesbian 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.560 issues or whatever, and he just said, who am I 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.360 to judge? It was those sorts of touches that he had, 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.360 which I think spoke of the great pastoral solicitude of 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:21.280 the matter. 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.680 Father just before you go. Of course, this is a 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:25.320 sad day. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.560 But when we do reflect on the Pope's legacy, you know, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.920 you can't. It would be remiss not to mention that 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.160 conservatives were frustrated with Pope Francis. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:36.960 You know, what's your view of this? 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:41.880 My view is, I mean they had a point. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.520 I mean those who were great devtees, particularly of John 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:48.920 Paul too and then of Pope Benedict, where they wanted 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:53.120 to have certainty about what the tenants of the faith were. 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:57.840 Now along came Francis and basically upended a lot of that. 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.720 And so it was that lack of certainty, which for 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.600 a lot of the conservatives did cause upset. And I 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.240 think that's going to be an ongoing tension in the 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.440 Roman Catholic Church in the twenty first century. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:10.960 Sarie. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.480 There are going to be those in the church who say, well, look, 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:19.040 it really is only for those who want to sign 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:23.720 up to all of the teachings over against the admission. 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.480 We're all sinners, we all need forgiveness, and as Pope 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:31.280 Francis often said, the Euchrist is there to feed those 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.920 who are sinners, and that sort of conflict I think 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.040 is going to be with us for some time to come. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:41.440 Indeed, all right, father Frank Brennan, appreciate you joining us 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.920 on tonight, such a day of mourning, and of course 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.520 you knew the Pope personally, so we really do appreciate 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:47.960 your time. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.320 Thank you, yes, and. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.800 May he rest in peace. And I think it'll be 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.800 a long time before there's another Jesuit Popechery, but I 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.480 think this one has given us something to run with 0:15:58.560 --> 0:15:59.640 for many years to come. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.920 Indeed, well, thank you so much again. Good to see 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.760 your father, Frank Brennan. Now we'll be covering more of 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.840 the posts passing tonight will cross live to Rome to 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.520 show you the gathering crowds in Vatican City on this 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.240 day of mourning. But now let's turn to the federal 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:15.120 election campaign. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:15.680 Now. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:16.800 This weekend we learned. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.440 The news that Attorney General Mark Dreyfus is preferencing the 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.160 anti Symitic Greens in his Victorian seat of Isaacs. He's 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.320 the most senior Jewish member of the government and this 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.880 is a huge betrayal from someone who should know better. 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:35.520 Dreyfus will instruct voters to put Green's candidate Matthew Kerwen 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:41.320 as number two, despite the party's well known anti Israel, 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:46.000 pro Palestinian position that has been so highly offensive to 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.320 the Jewish community. In an attempt to hide this, the 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.200 how to vote card only says Kerwan's name, not which 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.960 party he belongs to. Now, I invited Labor m P 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.720 Josh Burns onto the program tonight. In fact, I've been 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.160 asking him to come on for most of this election 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:07.280 campaign because he did what no other Labor and P 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.919 has done. He refused to preference the Greens in his 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:15.719 Victorian seat of Macnamara. He fought and fought with Labor 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.600 for weeks, and he simply refused to direct voters to 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:23.479 preference the Greens. Instead, he's running an open ticket. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.480 Now you all know that. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:29.600 I think the Albanezy government has been horrific when it 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:33.200 comes to its treatment of the Jewish community and Israel. 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:38.280 They've been weak and morally corrupt. But Josh Burns has 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.600 been pushing back against this, and he proves that just 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.440 because he's part of federal Labor doesn't mean he has 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.359 to lack the moral clarity when it comes to this 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.560 antisemitism crisis. Now, Josh Burns has been on my program 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.760 several times and I often speak with him as well, 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.600 and he said he would come on my show, and 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.280 he was keen to come on tonight in fact, but 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:07.280 then he counseled his appearance. The reason Labor Party officials 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:11.159 did not want him to come on my program. Anthony 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:16.200 Albineze's team has blocked a Jewish labor politician, Josh Burns, 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:17.639 from coming on my show. 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.080 I find this extraordinary. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.320 Well to discuss this and more, let's bring in now 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.879 Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and DPG Advisory Solutions founder Farmer 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:33.280 John Howard advisor David Gazzard. Welcome to you both, we'll 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.160 come back to the Pope, We'll come back to other topics, 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:35.919 but I just want to. 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.080 Get your reaction to that, Holly. 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.000 Firstly, that Mark Dreyfus can preference the Green second, and 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.960 then that the Labor Party can block Labor and Peace 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:47.600 from coming on my program. 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:49.200 I mean, Shariy. 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.040 The thing is, I'd like to say I'm surprised, but 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.840 the reality is I'm not at all. We know that 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:58.679 this Labor government is looking to whatever future they can find, 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.719 and if that is a deal with the Greens, that 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.400 is what they will do. And they are so desperate 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.360 to keep the Greens in their pocket they would do this. 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.520 For a Jewish member of Parliament to put the Greens 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:18.400 anywhere on their how to vote above people that are 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:23.840 not blatant anti semitics is beyond comprehension. But you know, 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.200 and I've said this before and I'll say it again, 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.320 if they didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:29.879 at all. 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:31.880 It's just abhorrent, but. 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:34.600 It's absolutely to be expected by these. 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.679 People, David. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.120 I also think you know, Anthony Abernezi claimed he wasn't 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:41.720 going to be a woke prime minister. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:42.560 That was false. 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:45.840 He said that his government would speak to all audiences, 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:50.160 but they won't allow a Labor MP to come on Sky. 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.520 News at night. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:58.199 Well, contrast that with you know, fairly recent history. You 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.320 don't have to cast your mind back too far to 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:06.000 the nineteen eight election where the Labor Party insisted, as it's. 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.520 Done for nearly thirty years, that the Liberal. 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:12.840 Party must put one nation last because Pauline Hansen had 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:17.119 said that we had too much Asian immigration in Australia. 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:19.840 This was such a. 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:25.040 Point of enormous principle that the Labor Party pushed and 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:28.400 pushed and pushed and pushed. And now we see them 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.560 in a position where there are members of the Greens 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:36.960 who are openly, if not supportive of Hamas, they cannot 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:44.360 countenance condemning Hamas, and openly anti Semitic in some cases. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:48.120 So you know, jump forward now, this is what happens 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.720 when you have a primary vote that is at historic 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:56.800 levels and the Labor Party cannot win government without preferencing 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:01.960 the Greens. So politics has trumped print here and is 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:05.640 one of the reasons why I would say, if you're 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:09.720 a voter in this upcoming election, don't let our political 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:15.879 system fragment with independence and Teals and Greens and minor 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:21.000 parties directing what the major parties have to do in 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:24.240 the Parliament if they're sitting in a balance of power position. 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:28.640 I want to get your take on where this election's going, Holly. 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:34.520 The polls now have Labor clearly ahead even minority government, 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:39.560 if not government. I mean the polls reflect a national sentiment. 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:44.160 The liberals pathway to victory is in those say fourteen 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:48.280 to twenty seats where they're running those very specific campaigns. 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.640 So what's your take at the moment. Do you think 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:54.640 this is realistically a two term proposition for the coalition 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:57.119 to return to government or you know, what sort of 0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:58.840 chance do you think Dutton has here? 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.200 I think it's important voters keep asking themselves the question, 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:05.960 and we need to do better at reminding them. The 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:09.320 question is are you better off today than you were 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:13.600 three years ago? And for almost every Australian, if not 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.520 every Australian, the answer will be absolutely not. This has 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:21.360 become an ongoing struggle for ever Australians every single day 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.040 to put groceries on the table, to pay the rent, 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.879 to pay the mortgage, to keep the lights on. And 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:31.280 we know Australians are doing it tougher each and every day. 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:36.720 It doesn't seem to be resonating with Australians in the 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:41.560 sense that they are not blaming alban Easy and quite frankly, 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:46.080 I'm bereft as to why they are not, because the 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:49.120 last time a coalition government was in power, we saw 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:54.640 them through a pandemic and sustained businesses, sustained employment, made 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:58.280 sure that Australians were kept safe. And as soon as 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:00.720 these guys have got their hands on the true ventures, 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.480 they've made a complete and art disaster of it. 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.520 David, what do you think do you think there is 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:10.480 still a pathway for Peter Darton to win this election? 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:12.640 And if so, what is it? 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:13.840 Yeah? 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.919 Look, I mean this shows you how Sharion shows you 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.880 how far campaigning has come in our lifetimes. 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.399 Where you know, in the old days, we'd watched the. 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.560 Evening NEWSS, we'd see what was in the paper, we'd 0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:27.760 look at the ads on television and there was a 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.399 national campaign and you could sort of gauge where it 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.879 was going and the national polls meant something. Nowadays, with 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:39.480 the fracturing of the media, with disengagement with the public. 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:40.960 It's much harder to tell. 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.800 And the Liberal Cup Party I think are running and 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:46.600 Label would be doing this as well. They're running micro 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:51.200 campaigns targeted on the ground, dumping a lot of money 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:51.880 into those. 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:53.320 Seats that are absolutely critical. 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:57.240 And so it's difficult to tell when you look at 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.080