Speaker 1: From the Skying Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 3: Did they come on in the man Cave as the
Speaker 3: center of the political universe for the next hour. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for watching. Yeah, of course I'll talk
Speaker 3: about the tariffs, how Albo is going to try to
Speaker 3: turn the obvious loss into a win. I'll use some
Speaker 3: stats to prove that in the moment of two his time,
Speaker 3: not one, but two segments of debate tonight looking forward
Speaker 3: to This is tonight, the night Stephen Conroy finally beats
Speaker 3: problem and vishof or where she continue her unbeaten run.
Speaker 3: As part of our conversation, we'll get the all of
Speaker 3: that and a massive decision in the High Court today
Speaker 3: that could lead to biddinings and I mean biddings a
Speaker 3: dollar's worth of federal government compensation to indigenous peoples in
Speaker 3: the Northern Territory specifically. But before I get to the
Speaker 3: wall of that, I want to talk about something that
Speaker 3: is a little more real than many of the news
Speaker 3: stories that are around today and a little more personal
Speaker 3: than what you may come to expect when it comes
Speaker 3: to the front page of the paper or so the
Speaker 3: six PM news. Last night, there was a huge reaction
Speaker 3: when I highlighted the comments of a gentleman who is
Speaker 3: at his wits end on the central coast of New
Speaker 3: South Wales who had to move out of Sydney because
Speaker 3: of the cost of rent. He's now in a scenario
Speaker 3: where if rent goes up, he is going to have
Speaker 3: to move again, and that's a good chance that he,
Speaker 3: his family and his little girl are going to be homeless.
Speaker 4: One more rent increase and my family, my one year
Speaker 4: old baby, we're facing homelessness and we've got nowhere to go.
Speaker 3: Now, I've spoken a lot about the number of people
Speaker 3: that are this close to homelessness. Sometimes they get the
Speaker 3: number wrong and say two million.
Speaker 2: It's actually three and a bit million.
Speaker 3: That is an extraordinary indictment on our federal government. But
Speaker 3: before you think, hey, Paul, I've heard you say all
Speaker 3: this before and you start to tune out, No, no, no,
Speaker 3: come back, come back, pay attention, because last night on
Speaker 3: SBS there was another example of another Australian who was
Speaker 3: doing it tough, and this was on the Insight program
Speaker 3: on SBS. Now, I really liked this show because essentially
Speaker 3: they sit around, they do a forum with people. They
Speaker 3: get really interesting stories, all different perspectives are quite like
Speaker 3: the show. But there was one bloke in particular who
Speaker 3: symbolizes just like that guy did on Q and a
Speaker 3: millions of people who are struggling, millions of people who
Speaker 3: couldn't work any harder, but they go backwards every day.
Speaker 5: Currently juggling three jobs, so I'm holding a full time
Speaker 5: job down in the insurance sector. I'm doing Uber Eats
Speaker 5: and Tawdash food delivery in whatever free time I can get,
Speaker 5: and on top of that, I'm also making YouTube videos
Speaker 5: online as an extra source of income. When I first
Speaker 5: started three years ago, I was doing seventy hours a
Speaker 5: week and I held that up across an entire year.
Speaker 5: I hit a New Year's resolution, outsaid man, I am
Speaker 5: killing myself out here.
Speaker 3: One of YouTube videos and I didn't know about them
Speaker 3: until that program was him walking around his suburb talking
Speaker 3: about the difficulties of cost of living that we have
Speaker 3: focused on almost every show at the start of our
Speaker 3: show for the past three years.
Speaker 5: Things are expensive. The cost of living is insane right now.
Speaker 5: If you are just working one job and you're on
Speaker 5: the medium income in Australia sixty seven thousand dollars per
Speaker 5: year right now, you are living just above the poverty line.
Speaker 5: Ten years ago, I was earning probably half of what
Speaker 5: I worked one job, and things just seemed easier to afford.
Speaker 5: I go out and buy things. I wasn't stressing about groceries.
Speaker 5: I wasn't stressing about paying rent.
Speaker 3: And the federal election just weeks away, there's a key
Speaker 3: question who's he going to vote for?
Speaker 2: Who will you be voting for in the election?
Speaker 5: The way things are going, it's whoever screws me the least.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of people have lost a lot
Speaker 5: of faith in our politicians, in our political.
Speaker 6: Parties at this point.
Speaker 5: So whoever screws me the least is probably going to
Speaker 5: get my vote. I'm going to be looking at policy.
Speaker 5: I'm going to be reading policy, and more importantly, we've
Speaker 5: got to I think we've lost faith a lot as
Speaker 5: Australians at this point. We have our pension is struggling
Speaker 5: to retire. They can't retire. And if our pensions can't
Speaker 5: retire right now, what the's going on with me? When
Speaker 5: I retire? Can I retire?
Speaker 6: Am I working till the day I die?
Speaker 5: Because this is looking pretty grim in my stances.
Speaker 3: We know people are hurting, We know people are starting
Speaker 3: to get angry and they are sick of being told
Speaker 3: that everything is getting better when their life is only
Speaker 3: getting worse. More than three million people this close to homelessness,
Speaker 3: and the number of people who are homeless in this
Speaker 3: country is the record number it's ever been. But again,
Speaker 3: before you think, well, hang on, Paul, haven't you sung
Speaker 3: this song before?
Speaker 2: Yes, I have.
Speaker 3: But there are others that are noticing. Simon Benson, writing
Speaker 3: in the Australian newspaper Today, makes the following point that
Speaker 3: Australia's living standards are the worst in the developed world.
Speaker 3: No other developed nation in the world has suffered the
Speaker 3: decline in living standards anywhere near the magnitude of Australia.
Speaker 3: No amount of boasting that the household recession has finally
Speaker 3: come to an end can alter that reality, he continues.
Speaker 3: Fresh OECD data in the form of updated data set
Speaker 3: on household income shows that even after the marginally better
Speaker 3: but still slightly grim economic news, Australia's living standards continue
Speaker 3: to be the worst in the world and there's no
Speaker 3: bounce back coming soon, at least not within this decade.
Speaker 3: The updated OECD data released in the past two weeks
Speaker 3: gives expression to this. The average gains in living standards
Speaker 3: by OECD countries, whereas we're talking about places like the
Speaker 3: United States, New Zealand, Canada, UK, the first world basically
Speaker 3: is up five and a bit percent since March twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two.
Speaker 2: Australia in decline.
Speaker 3: Before this week's National accounts the cumulative fall in living
Speaker 3: standards was a negative eight point three. So the rest
Speaker 3: of the world goes forward, Australia goes backwards. They go
Speaker 3: forward five point five, we go backwards eight point three
Speaker 3: and again. If you think you've heard all of this before,
Speaker 3: new data out today shows us that Australians are losing hope.
Speaker 3: It comes via this study from the Australian National University.
Speaker 3: It helps put again more data, more insight into how
Speaker 3: Australians are feeling about their lives, about the future for
Speaker 3: their kids, and the future for their country. Overall life
Speaker 3: satisfaction between October two thousand and nine and the dots
Speaker 3: on the far right of your screen is January twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five, you can see that Australia is turning pessimistic
Speaker 3: about its current situation and about its future.
Speaker 2: You can see that.
Speaker 3: Those numbers are the worst, even after periods of time
Speaker 3: like the COVID pandemic. Now, there's a lot inside all
Speaker 3: of this, and I want to take you through it
Speaker 3: nice and slowly because it's many thousands of people who
Speaker 3: participated in their survey, and there are some people whose
Speaker 3: sense of doom is linked to things like climate change
Speaker 3: and housing affordability. But I want to zone in on
Speaker 3: this issue in and around cost of living that is
Speaker 3: not just a talking point. It is a moment where
Speaker 3: Australia is going backwards and this government promised promised to
Speaker 3: make it better instead worse after the past three years.
Speaker 3: In fact, I have a look at this life in
Speaker 3: the past twelve months, thirty one percent of people saying
Speaker 3: that it is worse, just twenty one percent saying better,
Speaker 3: everyone else basically saying pretty much the same. And of
Speaker 3: course if life has been tough and it's still pretty
Speaker 3: much the same, then that's way over fifty percent that
Speaker 3: are in a world of pain right now, specifically in
Speaker 3: and around the issue of cost of living and the
Speaker 3: effect on your household. Again, I show you this here
Speaker 3: that thirty five percent of people believe that things are
Speaker 3: worse since last year, sorry, since twenty twenty three So
Speaker 3: despite two little too late tax cards, despite four fifths
Speaker 3: of bugger all twenty.
Speaker 2: Five dollars a month.
Speaker 3: When it comes to power, the reality is this, thirty
Speaker 3: five percent of people the household is financially worse off
Speaker 3: under this government. Meantime, if you have a look at
Speaker 3: the overall graph, you're about the percentage of Australians who
Speaker 3: find it difficult or very difficult when it comes to
Speaker 3: their own financial circumstances. Have a look. These are not
Speaker 3: good graps for our country. These show how unhappy, emotionally
Speaker 3: unhealthy and struggling. Too many people are equally depressing about
Speaker 3: all of this is does anyone think anything is going
Speaker 3: to get better? Yes, about twenty nine percent of people,
Speaker 3: so less than a third say it is going to
Speaker 3: get better. But once you put together same which is
Speaker 3: the worst in recent memory, plus those the quarter who
Speaker 3: believe it's going to get worse, you can see they're
Speaker 3: what's sixty six in a bid percent, almost sixty seven
Speaker 3: percent of people who believe that things are not going
Speaker 3: to get better. And then we come to the part
Speaker 3: that broke my heart. How do we feel about our
Speaker 3: kids and the life that they will have in an
Speaker 3: Australia that is supposed to be the greatest place in
Speaker 3: the world. As a person who's got two little ones,
Speaker 3: this one broke my heart. Fifty eight percent of people
Speaker 3: in this survey believe that their kids' lives will be
Speaker 3: worse than theirs. Almost sixty percent of people believe that
Speaker 3: their children are going to be worse off. What will
Speaker 3: life be like in the next fifty years? Fifty percent
Speaker 3: of people there also believe that life is going to
Speaker 3: be worse. So it's worse for their kids. It'll be
Speaker 3: worse for them as they move into retirement and then
Speaker 3: into the oldest of years, and when it comes to
Speaker 3: this current government and the institution of Federal Parliament. This
Speaker 3: survey again is heartbreaking. It's one thing to talk with
Speaker 3: pride about your country, and we do. It's one that
Speaker 3: love our country and we do. But one of the
Speaker 3: reasons that we have remained laser focused on cost of
Speaker 3: living for the past three years is because if you
Speaker 3: cannot provide for yourself for your kids, if you are
Speaker 3: one of three million people who doesn't know where their
Speaker 3: food is going to come from, if you're the bloke
Speaker 3: who is working seventy hours a week, and you still
Speaker 3: can't make ends meet that our system is failing. Every
Speaker 3: member of the Australian Federal Parliament has received not one,
Speaker 3: but three pay rises in the past three years. Every
Speaker 3: member of the Australian public services receive their biggest pay
Speaker 3: rise in ten years. But what do people think about
Speaker 3: the institution that is Federal Parliament. Do you have confidence
Speaker 3: in the Federal government? It is now down sixty six
Speaker 3: percent of people have little to no confidence in the
Speaker 3: Federal government, in part because they don't do enough, in
Speaker 3: part because they claim they're doing more when they aren't
Speaker 3: doing enough. But again, let's compare that over time. Have
Speaker 3: look at this graph again, it's the same when it
Speaker 3: comes to our trust in the Federal government. It's the
Speaker 3: same when it comes to our confidence in the life
Speaker 3: that is there for our kids. It is the same
Speaker 3: when it comes to our own financial circumstance. If anyone
Speaker 3: thinks the politicians like Jim Chalmers or the Prime Minister
Speaker 3: can spin and bs their way that everything is better
Speaker 3: when everything is.
Speaker 2: Worse, good luck.
Speaker 3: But to see the greatest country in the world having
Speaker 3: an awful lot of people in it who don't have
Speaker 3: faith in its future, than we are at a fork
Speaker 3: in the road. We need to get rid of this government,
Speaker 3: the government that lied their way to power, that promised
Speaker 3: that everything would be cheaper. Instead everything became more expensive.
Speaker 3: And now because they're able to cobble together some numbers
Speaker 3: deeply affected by government spending that make things seem ever
Speaker 3: so slightly better than the bottom dip, the reality is,
Speaker 3: how could anyone vote for the return of a government
Speaker 3: that has presided over not just are breaking.
Speaker 2: Our finances, but a break in our hearts. We are
Speaker 2: at a fork in the road now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's this election that this means
Speaker 3: people go further to the left or further to the
Speaker 3: right than the parties of government, searching for someone, anyone
Speaker 3: who is going to promise them a better future than
Speaker 3: what they have currently had. But off all of these numbers,
Speaker 3: there is no way that anyone is going to be
Speaker 3: voting for the current government because they think they've done
Speaker 3: a good job. It's going to be at best out
Speaker 3: of partisan loyalty or about something even deeper than that,
Speaker 3: but it's not going to be based off any sort
Speaker 3: of quality performance. Those numbers are frightening, and that's why
Speaker 3: I talk about that before we get to tariffs and
Speaker 3: the politics of all of that.
Speaker 2: It's not unimportant, but.
Speaker 3: This stuff is a little heartbeat check about a country
Speaker 3: whose pulse is getting weaker. The other one is, I
Speaker 3: want to talk about violent crime in Victoria. Now, this
Speaker 3: has been a world of pain. And remember you've been
Speaker 3: called racist for talking about it. You've been called somebody
Speaker 3: who's beating something pretending it's not happening. Well, the reality
Speaker 3: is that crime has been getting worse for a long
Speaker 3: time in Victoria. Perfect example, a bayside family has this
Speaker 3: not one, but two home invasions within twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: Daniel Andrews let all of this ride, but he changed
Speaker 3: the subject just into Alan does not have the same
Speaker 3: political skills, But she too, has failed to deal with this.
Speaker 3: There have been many efforts to try to force the
Speaker 3: government to do something, but chief amongst them is my
Speaker 3: mate Fefe box over on Fox FM.
Speaker 2: When an FM.
Speaker 3: Breakfast show is basically doing what you would do in
Speaker 3: the middle of a talkback show, then you know something
Speaker 3: has gone wrong. Congratulations to Fife and her colleagues for going.
Speaker 2: Front and center.
Speaker 3: It's always easier to give away money and make people laugh,
Speaker 3: but to talk about what people care about. It really matters,
Speaker 3: and they are put together a petition demanding new changes
Speaker 3: when it comes to bail laws, and they've had more than
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty thousand people agree with that petition.
Speaker 3: Here's part of what Feofe was saying this morning on
Speaker 3: the radio.
Speaker 7: So many people have suffered through home invasions, aggravated assaults,
Speaker 7: car jackings, theft, in timid dation, in supermarkets, in shopping centers.
Speaker 7: We have repeat youth offenders that have run riot in
Speaker 7: this city.
Speaker 3: Good stuff, mate, congratulations again. I know how hard it
Speaker 3: is to make the call to do something as serious
Speaker 3: as that in a format like theirs, but they've done it.
Speaker 3: And the premiere didn't hold a press conference. She went
Speaker 3: to Fife's show this morning to say that finally there's
Speaker 3: going to be a change.
Speaker 8: We are bringing in the toughest bail laws in the country,
Speaker 8: and there's a combination of factors that lead to that.
Speaker 8: The first year is we are putting community safety first
Speaker 8: and foremost in bail decisions, putting the safety of the
Speaker 8: community front and center. And we're also reversing that change
Speaker 8: where ramand or bail was seen as a last resort
Speaker 8: for youth offending. So that's a key change.
Speaker 3: But unbelievably, there are still people who want to tell
Speaker 3: you that there is nothing to see here when it
Speaker 3: comes to crime in Victoria. This was one of the
Speaker 3: hot takes that was there in the turbul Times today
Speaker 3: as Labour vows to introduce its toughest bail laws. Ever,
Speaker 3: is Victoria trulli in a crime crisis?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: You see there's lots of ways that this gets hidden.
Speaker 3: Often you'll end up seeing reporting which is a number
Speaker 3: of crimes per one hundred thousand people, and therefore when
Speaker 3: the population increases, the number of crimes increase, but the
Speaker 3: percentage on which it's connected back to they're able to
Speaker 3: hide the figures. But when you actually go and have
Speaker 3: a look at the website that the Victorian government uses,
Speaker 3: as you can see, even on this version of trying
Speaker 3: to pretend nothing to see here, it's up twelve months
Speaker 3: by twelve and a half percent.
Speaker 2: Or ten percent.
Speaker 3: We were talking about the offense raper one hundred thousand people.
Speaker 3: I also want to compare just the past couple of
Speaker 3: years in Victoria about how many crimes are being committed
Speaker 3: and have been committed under a system that this government
Speaker 3: that has been in there for the best part of
Speaker 3: ten years tried to look the other way or gaslight
Speaker 3: victorians that it was not as bad as it seemed.
Speaker 3: This the total number of criminal offenses recorded in Victoria
Speaker 3: just a couple of years ago was four hundred and
Speaker 3: seventy four thousand, still way too many. That's jumped to
Speaker 3: five hundred and seventy eight thousand in.
Speaker 2: Just a couple of years.
Speaker 3: We don't even have the latest numbers when it comes
Speaker 3: to now you want to break them down by say,
Speaker 3: people being assaulted in Victoria, Well, the number of crimes
Speaker 3: against the person, and that can be everything from assault, murder,
Speaker 3: all other forms of that stuff, intimidation eighty three thousand.
Speaker 3: Two years later, it's four and a bit thousand more people. Now, remember,
Speaker 3: these are not just crimes, these are victims. Eighty three
Speaker 3: thousand victims two years ago becomes ninety one thousand victims
Speaker 3: last year. It's not about the perpetrator, It's about the
Speaker 3: person who forever looks around a corner and is nervous
Speaker 3: about what's about to happen. When it comes to property
Speaker 3: crimes again, showing you this too, what an explosion this
Speaker 3: has been in terms of people breaking into houses two
Speaker 3: hundred and forty three thousand, seven hundred and ninety eight
Speaker 3: Crimes Committee just two years ago up to now three
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty two thousand. Yet the Guardian turns around
Speaker 3: and asks the disgraceful question, is Victoria truly in a
Speaker 3: crime crisis? It was two years ago, it is now
Speaker 3: and it will be next year. I mean, this is
Speaker 3: very serious stuff that we need to talk about. This
Speaker 3: is very important because this is not just people making
Speaker 3: it up, responding to talk back radio, getting REDVD up
Speaker 3: by what they read in the paper or see on television.
Speaker 3: This is their lives and this is things that is
Speaker 3: happening to their family, to their home, to their business,
Speaker 3: to their car, to their communities. And good on everyone
Speaker 3: who forced this government's hand, but shame on this government
Speaker 3: for needing this all three three mcgs worth of offenses
Speaker 3: for them to finally take notice and finally promise that
Speaker 3: they're going to be doing something different. For their part,
Speaker 3: the police have responded today the Police Association, who remember are.
Speaker 2: The people who have to lock these people.
Speaker 3: Up only to see them get bail when some sort
Speaker 3: of soft magistrate, here's some sort of sob story. They
Speaker 3: respond today that they're police that's happening. Yeah, too little,
Speaker 3: too late, but they're pleased at least something is moving.
Speaker 9: Ordinary people in our community who deserve to be safe
Speaker 9: in their homes, deserve to be safe in their cars,
Speaker 9: deserve to be safe on our streets. They've got every
Speaker 9: right to expect that, they've got every right to feel
Speaker 9: that when the police do their job, that the courts
Speaker 9: will carry out effectively are decisions that are in their best.
Speaker 3: Interest as for the people that will potentially take over
Speaker 3: government whenever that Victorian election is This was their take
Speaker 3: on too little, too late today.
Speaker 10: The Premier may have apologized for a poor judgment and
Speaker 10: weak bail laws, but that's going to be very cold
Speaker 10: comfort to the families of every victim of crime who
Speaker 10: has suffered attacks on them on their personal safety because
Speaker 10: this premier got it so badly wrong. An apology isn't enough.
Speaker 10: Labor got it wrong because they believe in weak boil laws.
Speaker 10: Make no mistake, the Premier is being dragged, kicking and
Speaker 10: screaming to announce these changes today, not because she believes
Speaker 10: in it, but because the polls tell of Victorians are
Speaker 10: sick and tired of Labour's week bail laws.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, Oh does Victoria have a crime crisis problem? Seriously,
Speaker 3: these numbers are on the front page of the Crime.
Speaker 2: Statistics so I want to know.
Speaker 3: But if you push this one and you double this
Speaker 3: near please, if somebody broke into your house, it had
Speaker 3: changed your life forever. If somebody has sold it a
Speaker 3: member of your family, it had changed your life forever.
Speaker 3: So don't give me this population garbage. The reality is
Speaker 3: that a system where people think they can get away
Speaker 3: with it means there will be more crime when they
Speaker 3: don't think they're going to get away with it. Guess
Speaker 3: what crime will fall. That's the way it has worked
Speaker 3: the world over. It should be that all over Australia,
Speaker 3: particularly in Victoria. Now today massive news out of the
Speaker 3: High Court as well. This one's going to cost taxpayers billions,
Speaker 3: and I mean billions of dollars. A landmark High Court
Speaker 3: decision today has led about seven hundred million dollars worth
Speaker 3: of compensation to Indigenous people in the Northern Territory. Put simply,
Speaker 3: these is a decision in and around a mine from
Speaker 3: a long time ago. Let me try and read this
Speaker 3: to you because it does get complicated. The case, which
Speaker 3: was brought by the late Indigenous elder and land rights pioneer,
Speaker 3: exposed as the Commonwealth with a multimillion dollar compensation claim
Speaker 3: of a land had acquired in the Northern Territory during
Speaker 3: the twentieth century. The claim would reach about seven hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars based on the reported value of the forty
Speaker 3: two year old Rio Tinto and Go traditional owners stuck
Speaker 3: struck in twenty and eleven. It's all to be with
Speaker 3: a mind that goes back to the sixties. Beyond that,
Speaker 3: the case is significant because it opens the federal government
Speaker 3: but not the States, to further compensation claims when Commonwealth
Speaker 3: controlled the Northern Territory between nineteen eleven and nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2: Watch this space.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's now talk about the tariffs and the trump
Speaker 3: of it all, because there's a little more to.
Speaker 2: This than you may realize.
Speaker 3: And yes it's all about Ozzie steel and yes, Ossie
Speaker 3: steel going into the United States is not a huge industry,
Speaker 3: but it's an important one. But of course it's indicative
Speaker 3: about just how bad the relationship is between Australia and
Speaker 3: the United States. The arrogance of this prime Minister is hopeless,
Speaker 3: self absorbed and arrogant ambassador in Washington who thought that
Speaker 3: he could shit can Donald Trump and somehow thought there
Speaker 3: would be a forever Biden area and no attempt to
Speaker 3: change the relationship. In the period of time between November
Speaker 3: when the election took place and January when he was
Speaker 3: sworn in, the Prime Minister did not go to meet
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, did not try to build any relationship, and
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is all about relationships.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 3: I had thought that somehow I was going to join
Speaker 3: the leap in at the start of this, and I
Speaker 3: thought we were probably going to get an exemption because
Speaker 3: someone will pull some string somewhere. But all of the
Speaker 3: strings have been pulled and we have failed in part.
Speaker 3: Today he's the Prime Minister responding to remember what he
Speaker 3: had already set up as a previous conversation and agreed
Speaker 3: language and basically hinted a few weeks ago, Yeah, we're
Speaker 3: we going to get one. Now he can't even get
Speaker 3: Trump to answer his phone.
Speaker 12: Such a decision by the Trump administration is entirely unjustified.
Speaker 12: Friends need to act in a way that reinforces to
Speaker 12: our respective populations the fact that we are friends.
Speaker 3: Now, remember this bloke in a phone conversation just a
Speaker 3: few weeks ago, pretended that he was on the inside
Speaker 3: track to a deal. Can't get a phone call. Sharry's
Speaker 3: reporting in her program and at sky onees, dot com
Speaker 3: dot auho has followed this for many a week. But
Speaker 3: these people want to pretend on I know it's all
Speaker 3: Donald's fault now, okay, it's ultimately Donald's decision. But where
Speaker 3: was the relationship? Who did we deploy? Did we deploy
Speaker 3: the man in Kevin Rudd, who, as I said, has
Speaker 3: abused this bloke Uphill and Dan Dale for his own
Speaker 3: ego when he thought that was the best way to
Speaker 3: raise his international profile. Peter Dutton speaks on the behalf
Speaker 3: of the country. Who knows we missed an opportunity here
Speaker 3: to form a relationship to get an exemption.
Speaker 11: This Prime Minister is completely out of his depth. He
Speaker 11: has no idea what he's doing when it comes to energy,
Speaker 11: when it comes to the economy, when it comes to
Speaker 11: national security, when it comes to keeping Australian safe, and
Speaker 11: when it comes to this relationship which obviously is now
Speaker 11: critically broken between the US and Australia because of the
Speaker 11: Prime Minister's incompetence.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to tell you how Albo's going to
Speaker 3: turn this obvious loss into what he thinks is going
Speaker 3: to be a political win. Every time Australians are polled
Speaker 3: about Donald Trump, those of us that our fans are
Speaker 3: in the minority.
Speaker 2: That's just the truth.
Speaker 3: I think many people are wrong about Trump, but he's
Speaker 3: the reality. A pollo was taken just before the American
Speaker 3: election would show that if Australians could vote, they would
Speaker 3: have voted for Kamala Arras. There would have been about
Speaker 3: a third of the country that would have voted for
Speaker 3: Donald Trump, and then obviously a collection of people who
Speaker 3: don't know or wouldn't vote. That has been updated now
Speaker 3: in a red Bridge pole which turned up in one
Speaker 3: of the Sunday papers just a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 3: it shows that what forty seven percent of people have
Speaker 3: a very unfavorable Put that together with twelve percent who
Speaker 3: believe it to be a very unfavorable it's about fifty
Speaker 3: nine percent of Australians who have a negative view of
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. That means we're going to get a scenario
Speaker 3: where Anthony Arberneze thinking that he doesn't really have to
Speaker 3: deal again with Trump at any time in the next
Speaker 3: few weeks is basically going to slowly but surely, maybe
Speaker 3: not use his name, but start to pivot against Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Of course, what he's going to try to do is
Speaker 3: try to pretend that the alternative Prime Minister is the
Speaker 3: Aussie version of Donald Trump, despite the fact that Peter
Speaker 3: Dutton receives regular criticism from the right wing that he
Speaker 3: ain't Trump enough. Now, how many times does this guy
Speaker 3: have to say, I'm not Australia's Trump. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to be like Trump, I'm not Trump, I don't believe
Speaker 3: in things like Trump. I'm not going to do things
Speaker 3: like Trump. But it doesn't matter because the Labor Party
Speaker 3: think they've worked out the big brush and they're going
Speaker 3: to stain him with again. This is what Peter Dutton
Speaker 3: says about him and Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: And I don't believe I am. I grew up.
Speaker 11: Under John Howard's when I've worked closely with Peter Costello
Speaker 11: as assistant treasurer, so I think that's more my role
Speaker 11: model than others around the world. But of course that's
Speaker 11: not going to stop Labour's mates like those reporting on
Speaker 11: sixty Minutes and we spoke about it at the time,
Speaker 11: trying to pretend no matter how many times he says,
Speaker 11: I'm not Aussie Trump. You go back and back and
Speaker 11: back and back and back until people don't even hear
Speaker 11: the denial anymore.
Speaker 3: From what the Australian seen thus far, they'd be forgiven
Speaker 3: for thinking that you are right up Donald Trump's ass.
Speaker 2: There was another version of it today.
Speaker 13: I know that you are a man who can have
Speaker 13: a laugh at himself, and you have pretty thick skin,
Speaker 13: and you've copped a lot of nicknames over the years,
Speaker 13: one of the most recent being Timu Trump. I'm interested
Speaker 13: to get your take on that, on being described as
Speaker 13: a cut price Donald Trump, and do you see any
Speaker 13: similarities between yourself and Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: I read two things.
Speaker 11: One is that I'm nothing like Trump, or I should
Speaker 11: be more like Trump. Although I'm a cut price version
Speaker 11: of Trump, I'm my own person. The biggest influence in
Speaker 11: my political life has been John Howard and Peter Costello.
Speaker 2: Watch this space.
Speaker 3: They'll do it over and over again, because yes, they
Speaker 3: may have to deal with Donald Trump after the election,
Speaker 3: but there is an election to be one. And trying
Speaker 3: to pretend that Peter Duddan is Ossie Trump, despite the
Speaker 3: fact that the people who are the third of the
Speaker 3: country or so who really like Donald Trump, No he's
Speaker 3: not Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: They'll just do it anyway.
Speaker 3: And speaking of all tariffs and things to do with this,
Speaker 3: can I be very clear Australia has not got clean
Speaker 3: hands when it comes to the little taxes that we
Speaker 3: put on products coming in from the rest of the world.
Speaker 3: For example cars. Now, cars come in all shapes, all sizes,
Speaker 3: but the bigger they are, the more expensive they are.
Speaker 3: And the most expensive sorry, the number one car in
Speaker 3: the country is the Ford Everest. Now that has a
Speaker 3: price tag which attracts a thing called the luxury car tax.
Speaker 3: Now you may well think they are luxury or not luxury,
Speaker 3: but anything over a certain amount of money attracts the
Speaker 3: luxury car tax. Now that, of course was all to
Speaker 3: protect the Australian car industry. But there is no Holden anymore.
Speaker 3: There is no Ford plant, there is no Mitsubishi or Toyota.
Speaker 3: As Ross Green would explain a couple of years ago
Speaker 3: on Channel.
Speaker 1: Nine, buying a new car is never cheap, but thousands
Speaker 1: of Sydney drivers are being slugged with a luxury car
Speaker 1: tax on their family vehicles. Loophole is being blamed, with
Speaker 1: drivers of some European convertibles avoiding it altogether.
Speaker 14: It's the tax that really shouldn't exist. The luxury car
Speaker 14: tax protected Australian car makers and workers from falling tariffs
Speaker 14: on imported vehicles.
Speaker 15: The dealer is now forecast ruined for a trade that
Speaker 15: was already suffering declining fortunes.
Speaker 14: Today Australia doesn't make cars, there's no industry or jobs
Speaker 14: to protect, but the tax remains.
Speaker 3: And the number one selling car in the country gets
Speaker 3: if you get the tricked up version the luxury car tax.
Speaker 2: You see, this is how it works.
Speaker 3: If you purchase a car, every dollar over eighty thousand,
Speaker 3: five hundred and sixty seven dollars gets a thirty three
Speaker 3: percent tax. If it is a fuel efficient vehicle, that
Speaker 3: number is ninety one, three hundred and eighty seven. Could
Speaker 3: somebody please explain why are we still putting a tariff,
Speaker 3: not a luxury car tax, but a tariff.
Speaker 2: On over a certain amount of value. Now you would know.
Speaker 3: If you've been anywhere overseas, you know their cars are cheaper.
Speaker 3: You should be able to buy them overseas if you
Speaker 3: want to ship them in at your own expense without
Speaker 3: paying any of these taxes, let alone.
Speaker 2: The GST on top of all of this.
Speaker 3: In fact, I double checked this about just how much
Speaker 3: money easy money Australia collects via car tariffs. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: it was five hundred and forty million dollars. Remember the
Speaker 3: car industry was basically done in twenty twenty. That number
Speaker 3: is now one point one billion dollars. Bigger cars, more
Speaker 3: expensive cars, but everything over eighty grand gets thirty three
Speaker 3: percent tax for every dollar over that eighty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So this federal government has a tariff, a tariff on cars.
Speaker 3: So what we want to run around and pretend that
Speaker 3: to well, it's Donald Trump that's out of control. Why
Speaker 3: wouldn't we try to negotiate to make sure that we've
Speaker 3: got an exemption when it came to steel taxes by
Speaker 3: saying we're going to get rid of our car tar
Speaker 3: because we don't have an Australian car industry because the unions,
Speaker 3: of course made it completely uncompetitive, let alone Australia when
Speaker 3: it comes to our cost of power and electricity. But
Speaker 3: this billion dollars car tariff will just sit there in
Speaker 3: the next federal budget and nobody will think about it.
Speaker 3: But also to explain why the Americans are doing what
Speaker 3: they are doing. You can agree or disagree, but this
Speaker 3: is the central logic, which is that they make millions
Speaker 3: of cars in the United States and they want them
Speaker 3: to be sent around the world. And as a person
Speaker 3: who'd like to one day drive around in a Chevy,
Speaker 3: Silverado or one of those big rams, I'd love to
Speaker 3: do it, but I don't have one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 4: Of Cadillac at fifty thousand dollars from Detroit cost sixty
Speaker 4: five thousand dollars in Germany because all the unfair trade. Well,
Speaker 4: that same Cadillac, you try to sell it to China,
Speaker 4: it's eighty thousand. You try to sell the Vietnam, it's
Speaker 4: one hundred and ten thousand. You try to sell at
Speaker 4: the India the Maharajia tariffs, that's one hundred forty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: All right, bit of doom and gloom, but necessary doom
Speaker 3: and gloom. So let's put some effort back into the hope.
Speaker 3: Let's lift the tone, Let's lift the Aussie spirit. Oscar
Speaker 3: Piastre will be racing in Melbourne this weekend and the
Speaker 3: opening round of the Formula One. How good strive to
Speaker 3: survive by the way, Oh, I can't get enough. He
Speaker 3: drives for the McLaren team, and he's a man who
Speaker 3: one day will be a world champion. It was confirmed
Speaker 3: today that he has signed a new multi year deal,
Speaker 3: meaning that he wins that world championship with McLaren.
Speaker 16: Hey, everyone, I just wanted to say thanks for all
Speaker 16: the nice messages comments that I've had since we ann
Speaker 16: It's the very same news today, So yeah, thank.
Speaker 6: You very much for all of that.
Speaker 16: I'm super excited to continue with the team for many
Speaker 16: many years to come.
Speaker 3: What a great blow. Good luck to him and everyone
Speaker 3: else who's competing and watching that things are sell out
Speaker 3: each and every year.
Speaker 2: Bang, just like that.
Speaker 3: It's awesome to see. Right, you'll see that all this
Speaker 3: weekend on Fox Sports. All right, let us get into it. Bromin,
Speaker 3: Bishop Stephen Conroy, lots to talk about in there, and
Speaker 3: breaking news about leaks that are now starting to come
Speaker 3: from inside the Liberal Party. Who was out to sabotage
Speaker 3: Peter Duddin.
Speaker 2: We discussed next.
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Speaker 3: The man who just he gets this close and then
Speaker 3: just Bromwin goes in for the kill. Stephen Conroy, he's
Speaker 3: here to help as always and Bromobishop to carry over chap,
Speaker 3: love you to see you. So let's talk about the tariffs,
Speaker 3: the failure to do so. Add again my suggestion there
Speaker 3: about how Albow plays the next few weeks trying to
Speaker 3: sort of leverage Trumps standing in Australia and the Dutton
Speaker 3: mini Trump of it all, no matter how unfair all
Speaker 3: of that is. Bromwin, why didn't we get an exemption
Speaker 3: and who's to blame?
Speaker 17: Well, we didn't get an exemption for a whole host
Speaker 17: of reasons. I suspect and I think a lot of
Speaker 17: it has got to do with our behavior in the
Speaker 17: United Nations with regard for Penny Wong. I think also
Speaker 17: with regard to watching the way the Albanese government has
Speaker 17: handled tariffs and China literally cow towing and saying what
Speaker 17: else can we give you to so we can sell
Speaker 17: you some wine and some lobsters, And then when we
Speaker 17: get our airmen or our naval divers attacked by China,
Speaker 17: we say nothing. We find warships going around our country,
Speaker 17: we don't even know they're there, and we see Albanese
Speaker 17: come out and apologize and explain why it's really okay
Speaker 17: for them to be a threat. And I think they
Speaker 17: see that as an enormous weness, and I think all
Speaker 17: those things have played into it. And I think the
Speaker 17: contrast between the way the government has tried has tried
Speaker 17: to handle the tariffs with regard to the United States
Speaker 17: and the way it's handled tariffs with regard to China
Speaker 17: tells us that all those things that have worried me
Speaker 17: forever that Albo is happy to be the Let's come on,
Speaker 17: China will be a vessel state if you like, whereas
Speaker 17: with the United States it's a partnership. We're saying we
Speaker 17: want to have a defense and he won't even come
Speaker 17: to the party and say three percent.
Speaker 3: So Stephen, what does it say if you can get
Speaker 3: a better deal out of China, you can't get it
Speaker 3: out of America.
Speaker 15: Well, I think Trump has got his own agenda. We've
Speaker 15: just got to get used to the change paradigm that
Speaker 15: he's bringing in both economic and foreign policy. And it
Speaker 15: isn't like it's just Australia that's being harmed. As a
Speaker 15: close ally, the UK has been attacked. He's attacked a
Speaker 15: starm NATO, He's attacked. If you talk to Europeans now,
Speaker 15: they don't believe that Donald Trump will actually follow through
Speaker 15: on Article five, the most critical part of the NATO agreement.
Speaker 15: You see him attack Canada. I mean, how is it
Speaker 15: possible to have a fight with Canada. I am still
Speaker 15: trying to understand on what basis he is making the
Speaker 15: attack on China. I mean he's ripped up the NAFTA
Speaker 15: North American Free Trade Agreement. He has now ripped up
Speaker 15: Australia's US and I helped negotiate this from opposition when
Speaker 15: I was in Parliament. The US free trade agreement with Australia.
Speaker 15: He's now ripped it up. But he's ripping up all
Speaker 15: of these things across the world. And it doesn't matter
Speaker 15: whether he used to be America's best friend. He is about,
Speaker 15: in his view, reshaping the debate, reshaping the world to
Speaker 15: his perspective, whether the rest of all think it's economically crazy.
Speaker 15: You know, people are now looking at the nineteen thirty
Speaker 15: saying America tried this.
Speaker 17: It's very interesting, but you missed the point. What has
Speaker 17: the Albanese government done about handling a very difficult, difficult
Speaker 17: situation and how does their behavior get judged in the
Speaker 17: real world that you're describing Now, the real.
Speaker 6: World is Australia. Do have to do more on the defense?
Speaker 17: Exactly?
Speaker 15: Okay, exactly, let's be we're down to one Trump nine
Speaker 15: Trump and spent four years telling Europe stop being dependent
Speaker 15: on Russian oil and Russian energy supplies. And you know
Speaker 15: they've been caught out negotiating with the Russians and secrets
Speaker 15: they're more revealed to rebuild the pipeline that got buywn up.
Speaker 15: So he is actually now trying to readdict Europe. He
Speaker 15: is negotiating with the Russians to rebuild the pipeline to.
Speaker 17: Readict you intake on European But okay, but what about
Speaker 17: what about the run of it all?
Speaker 3: What about the elbow of it all that we all
Speaker 3: know I know it as just a bloke on the
Speaker 3: TV right. Trump's about relationships, about familiarity. We know that
Speaker 3: there are some inns here. We know that there are
Speaker 3: very significant Australians that are very significant supporters who've been
Speaker 3: to Marlago plenty. We have a former Prime minister in
Speaker 3: Scott Morrison who spent New Year's Eve with him. We
Speaker 3: have a former Prime minister and Kevin Rudd who literally
Speaker 3: was dressing up stalking him at a golf course as
Speaker 3: a meeting that under centded estimates that the Foreign Afairs
Speaker 3: Department had no details of, no data off. We got
Speaker 3: a prime minister who yes, gets aphone call at the start,
Speaker 3: he gets referred to as a wonderful person and then
Speaker 3: no follow up afterwards. Why didn't they put the work in?
Speaker 3: And Stephen, is it fair to say they didn't put
Speaker 3: the work in between November? The great system about America
Speaker 3: is you know who's won the election, they don't take
Speaker 3: over till January. Get off your dot and go to
Speaker 3: their house and see them.
Speaker 15: So some gossip that has been put to me is
Speaker 15: that to be fair, and we all know how relentless
Speaker 15: Kevin Rudd can be. Okay, we've all witnessed it, we've been.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 15: My understanding is he, just like the promise have been
Speaker 15: trying to do over the last few days, did reach
Speaker 15: out to mar A Lano.
Speaker 6: He did attempt him.
Speaker 15: It's too late and they just wouldn't take his call.
Speaker 17: Too late. There was a very that one of you,
Speaker 17: even loosely the other. There are a whole lot of
Speaker 17: people who are very pro Australia in the Congress, with
Speaker 17: whom who do get the ear of Donald Trump. And
Speaker 17: these are the areas where concentrated if it should have
Speaker 17: been put there's a whole lot of diplomacy that could
Speaker 17: have been exercised. But with the players in the field,
Speaker 17: and I've got to say I think Penny Wong's one
Speaker 17: of the worst in the field and making relations worse
Speaker 17: than they ever needed to be has put us on
Speaker 17: the back foot. Now when when the spokesman came out
Speaker 17: today and said yes it was on the table to
Speaker 17: consider Australia being exempt, but has been denied. So what
Speaker 17: happened between the statements being made. Yes, we're going to
Speaker 17: consider it and know it's off the table.
Speaker 15: That's the bottom has attacked every matter of he did
Speaker 15: traditional Canada.
Speaker 17: He did not, did not say to any other ever,
Speaker 17: other country that we are considering giving you an exemption,
Speaker 17: not one only Australia. Now, who blew it from being
Speaker 17: on the table.
Speaker 6: Trump being never had any intention?
Speaker 17: Well you can no, you can't.
Speaker 6: He was polite because it was one offers.
Speaker 15: We all know the dance plate and he doesn't all
Speaker 15: know how the dance works.
Speaker 6: On the first call, everyone's everybody, no, no, no, he
Speaker 6: never on the.
Speaker 17: Phone and got on the plane. Is the bloke who's
Speaker 17: been bagging him off? That doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3: And also found half.
Speaker 17: Too easy Stephen to say we didn't get it because
Speaker 17: it was never.
Speaker 6: The Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: You gone all right, you've opened the door now.
Speaker 6: Peter Dunne just really wants emmy Donald Trump.
Speaker 17: Des don't believe me, Peter Dutton, all right.
Speaker 3: Let me get off that. Let me get off the
Speaker 3: fence now, or not off the fence, off the bench
Speaker 3: to he wants to be Peter Donald Trumps ivic said
Speaker 3: a hundred times that he said he's not right. He
Speaker 3: cops it from the right for for staying on ned zero,
Speaker 3: for staying in a human rights counsel, the whole collection
Speaker 3: of things, and not tearing up Paris all the rest
Speaker 3: of it. Right, So there's plenty of people already starting
Speaker 3: to sort of echo and I think this is them
Speaker 3: taking out insurance in case he doesn't win. By the way,
Speaker 3: people do that sometimes that you know, he's not pure enough, right,
Speaker 3: the goldilocks of it all. But there is something to
Speaker 3: be said about Donald Trump's standing in Australia. Now you know,
Speaker 3: I'm pro Trump, right, but that's not the majority position
Speaker 3: in Australia. So for Albanezi, is he going to try
Speaker 3: to play this game of constantly saying you're Trump, your Trump,
Speaker 3: your Trump, your Trump as a way of dirting up
Speaker 3: somebody who's been criticized for not being Trump.
Speaker 15: Enough, just because the right wingers I want to try
Speaker 15: and drag him to the climate. You know, cancelation argument
Speaker 15: doesn't mean that Dutton himself doesn't desperately want to ape Trump.
Speaker 15: He just knows that it will lose more votes if
Speaker 15: he does so.
Speaker 6: He is called in that frand to want to mc
Speaker 6: Donald Trump to be.
Speaker 17: Unlike Elbows, even worse than Stammer.
Speaker 18: He is ignoring your advice. I mean he desperately wants
Speaker 18: him to ado Trump policies. Albert, I hope you win
Speaker 18: the argument. I hope you dragged up into the Trump can. No,
Speaker 18: I'm not doing that Australian's deep down.
Speaker 17: I'm saying he really wants to be No, he does.
Speaker 6: That's why they don't want to elect him.
Speaker 2: Rubbish.
Speaker 17: They do want to elect him.
Speaker 18: They just actually did a poll in newspoll and said
Speaker 18: they don't want to elect him, want him not to.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 2: I won't say it's ever easy to do my job,
Speaker 2: but that was pretty easy.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys. All right, stick around, we've got to
Speaker 3: do another one round two next.
Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: I'll report back on what they say, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: we'll just be hugs and kisses during the break. Plenty
Speaker 3: more here on Paul murraw Life. Thanks for watching, here,
Speaker 3: were Bromber, Bishop Stephen Conroy. Let's keep going speed around now.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot about all right, Annabel crab I
Speaker 3: think trying to find some sort of passive aggressive way
Speaker 3: of having you go at. Peter Dutton suggested that somehow
Speaker 3: he's losing advantage.
Speaker 2: Because he's more popular.
Speaker 3: But then there's a couple of other stories worth talking
Speaker 3: about which are a little bit of a worry if
Speaker 3: you're this close to an election. In the Australian newspaper
Speaker 3: tonight online and in the paper tomorrow, there's a story
Speaker 3: about Liberal MPs who I apparently have a problem with
Speaker 3: the small target approach.
Speaker 2: And then there's the even.
Speaker 3: More damaging story which is the City Morning Herald, where
Speaker 3: some people are now starting to leak what the internal
Speaker 3: documents are of either the talking point to MP's and
Speaker 3: potentially some of the decisions that are about to be
Speaker 3: made so bromwin.
Speaker 2: The one thing the.
Speaker 3: Labor Party does the closer they get to an election
Speaker 3: is the tighter their amounts become about ever criticizing anyone,
Speaker 3: even if they think the person who is leading the
Speaker 3: ship is exactly the wrong one. Liberals not so much.
Speaker 3: What's going on here?
Speaker 17: Well, I read both those articles. I thought the Underbelt
Speaker 17: Prayer article was a little bit like the curitique a
Speaker 17: little bit and it was interesting, a little bit was bad.
Speaker 17: It did go on a bit and on and on
Speaker 17: and on with regard to the Sydney Morning Herald. That's
Speaker 17: a bitch piece. And I think when the leader, when
Speaker 17: the opposition leader is looking good, are then you're going
Speaker 17: to find those stories because those who want to cut
Speaker 17: him down, dare I say it coming from the government,
Speaker 17: who might dress it up as looking like it's coming
Speaker 17: from the opposition. Right tactics are used to you'll see
Speaker 17: those sort of articles emanate. So I don't think it's
Speaker 17: a trend. But the tighter, the tighter the race, and
Speaker 17: the longer to go, the more of these little things
Speaker 17: can come out and they have to be battered back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 3: Mean it ain't. It ain't Kevin rut on the phone
Speaker 3: to Lory Oaks. Oh sorry, never proved, never proven, right,
Speaker 3: But we know that the part of the effect of
Speaker 3: this stuff is so that whatever you were planning to
Speaker 3: talk about tomorrow, whatever heat you were trying to put
Speaker 3: on the person you're fighting against, a question will come
Speaker 3: from somewhere, which means you have to step away from
Speaker 3: the thing that you're trying to fight on. I think
Speaker 3: what was really interesting to note about that sort of
Speaker 3: Dutton Trump stuff from when he pivots pretty well whenever
Speaker 3: he's asked this question. Now into the greatest hits.
Speaker 17: And she's got a simple answer. Really, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 17: without the hair, there's no similarity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3: But Steven as a person who would like the political
Speaker 3: advantage to fall the way of the government, this stuff
Speaker 3: is not good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Now, look, I think there's it's probably been the toughest
Speaker 15: I don't necessarily say the worst, but the toughest few
Speaker 15: weeks he's had.
Speaker 2: For a long time.
Speaker 15: Some of the stories around his personal finances, the stories
Speaker 15: around trips to fundraisers have caught him and he's looked
Speaker 15: a little bit flat food. I think the West Australian
Speaker 15: election will have rattled him a little bit. Like the
Speaker 15: PM's we're saying to anyone, you know, we're holding up
Speaker 15: in WA. Dutton is not working as well in WA, and.
Speaker 2: You know it lives him.
Speaker 15: We say no, it's not true. Definitely not true. Or
Speaker 15: the West Australian.
Speaker 17: You know, with Western Australia, I thought any expectation for
Speaker 17: the Liberals still have done at a state level better
Speaker 17: than they did was really blowing into the wind, was
Speaker 17: their own speak.
Speaker 15: The Lips thought they'd get ten and fifteen was a
Speaker 15: bit over the top. But they are not even close
Speaker 15: to ten. So what the results show is that Dutton
Speaker 15: is not taking as well in Wa and that Labor
Speaker 15: may win the four seats, so may hold the full
Speaker 15: seats they won last time. Bullwinkle, no one's tried to
Speaker 15: claim on our side, so I think that would rattle
Speaker 15: them a bit. And the small target Now, to be fair,
Speaker 15: there's a couple of other really prominent people who've been
Speaker 15: talking about the small target problem and they named Paul
Speaker 15: and Bromwin. We have had this discussion over a month
Speaker 15: or two now that the strategy You've been like, he
Speaker 15: is like, I've been involved in small target strategies.
Speaker 6: This is a very small target strategy.
Speaker 3: But the one thing that the one thing that a
Speaker 3: delayed election does do is it gives him budget in
Speaker 3: reply Now, unlike many opposition leaders where normally that'll happen,
Speaker 3: you know whatever, March April may floats around and then
Speaker 3: an election's way off. If I mean, there can be
Speaker 3: a scenario here where basically the following Monday an election
Speaker 3: could be called or a week later, and dunt I
Speaker 3: don't think he's got enough credit for his budget in
Speaker 3: reply speeches because they have been yes, general sort of
Speaker 3: overall statements. But that's where he dropped the foreign vent
Speaker 3: stuff that's popular with seventy three percent of people in
Speaker 3: marginal seats. So I think they've got a massive chance
Speaker 3: to put perhaps the biggest part of the stake on
Speaker 3: the table on that day.
Speaker 2: What do you reckon?
Speaker 17: Well, I do too. And he used the budget reply
Speaker 17: speech to drop the policy on nuclear energy.
Speaker 3: Yes, correct, and.
Speaker 17: It has maintained its attraction.
Speaker 2: Good point.
Speaker 17: And when you look to be honest that the worst
Speaker 17: problem this country has at the moment is a cost
Speaker 17: of energy. We have an energy crisis because everything we do,
Speaker 17: whether it's buying a piece of a pencil and a
Speaker 17: paper for a kid at school, the fact that it
Speaker 17: has to be transported, that it has to be made,
Speaker 17: everything is dependent on the cost of energy. And not
Speaker 17: only are we absolutely defacing this beautiful continent.
Speaker 6: Of ours that ma came like you have.
Speaker 17: I said he would cost the New South Wales Liberals
Speaker 17: government and he did end up costing you too, because
Speaker 17: he's just such a I don't know, there's no words
Speaker 17: to describe how I feel about.
Speaker 3: It's a good way to tap the brakes because I
Speaker 3: don't want to have the meeting with the lawyers on it.
Speaker 3: I do appreciate it all right, Thank you very much, Browin,
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Stephen. A reminder if you'd love
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Speaker 3: moments away. We'll look for to seeing you again tomorrow
Speaker 3: night where we're looking forward to a conversation in the
Speaker 3: next couple of days with the Tasmanian premiere. Why because
Speaker 3: he's cutting up red tape.
Speaker 2: See you then, Yes,