WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 12 March

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying Center.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Paul Murray Live.

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<v Speaker 3>Did they come on in the man Cave as the

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<v Speaker 3>center of the political universe for the next hour. Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much for watching. Yeah, of course I'll talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the tariffs, how Albo is going to try to

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<v Speaker 3>turn the obvious loss into a win. I'll use some

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<v Speaker 3>stats to prove that in the moment of two his time,

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<v Speaker 3>not one, but two segments of debate tonight looking forward

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<v Speaker 3>to This is tonight, the night Stephen Conroy finally beats

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<v Speaker 3>problem and vishof or where she continue her unbeaten run.

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<v Speaker 3>As part of our conversation, we'll get the all of

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<v Speaker 3>that and a massive decision in the High Court today

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<v Speaker 3>that could lead to biddinings and I mean biddings a

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<v Speaker 3>dollar's worth of federal government compensation to indigenous peoples in

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<v Speaker 3>the Northern Territory specifically. But before I get to the

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<v Speaker 3>wall of that, I want to talk about something that

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<v Speaker 3>is a little more real than many of the news

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<v Speaker 3>stories that are around today and a little more personal

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<v Speaker 3>than what you may come to expect when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to the front page of the paper or so the

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<v Speaker 3>six PM news. Last night, there was a huge reaction

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<v Speaker 3>when I highlighted the comments of a gentleman who is

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<v Speaker 3>at his wits end on the central coast of New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales who had to move out of Sydney because

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<v Speaker 3>of the cost of rent. He's now in a scenario

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<v Speaker 3>where if rent goes up, he is going to have

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<v Speaker 3>to move again, and that's a good chance that he,

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<v Speaker 3>his family and his little girl are going to be homeless.

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<v Speaker 4>One more rent increase and my family, my one year

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<v Speaker 4>old baby, we're facing homelessness and we've got nowhere to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I've spoken a lot about the number of people

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<v Speaker 3>that are this close to homelessness. Sometimes they get the

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<v Speaker 3>number wrong and say two million.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually three and a bit million.

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<v Speaker 3>That is an extraordinary indictment on our federal government. But

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<v Speaker 3>before you think, hey, Paul, I've heard you say all

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<v Speaker 3>this before and you start to tune out, No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>come back, come back, pay attention, because last night on

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<v Speaker 3>SBS there was another example of another Australian who was

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<v Speaker 3>doing it tough, and this was on the Insight program

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<v Speaker 3>on SBS. Now, I really liked this show because essentially

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<v Speaker 3>they sit around, they do a forum with people. They

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<v Speaker 3>get really interesting stories, all different perspectives are quite like

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<v Speaker 3>the show. But there was one bloke in particular who

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<v Speaker 3>symbolizes just like that guy did on Q and a

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<v Speaker 3>millions of people who are struggling, millions of people who

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't work any harder, but they go backwards every day.

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<v Speaker 5>Currently juggling three jobs, so I'm holding a full time

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<v Speaker 5>job down in the insurance sector. I'm doing Uber Eats

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<v Speaker 5>and Tawdash food delivery in whatever free time I can get,

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<v Speaker 5>and on top of that, I'm also making YouTube videos

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<v Speaker 5>online as an extra source of income. When I first

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<v Speaker 5>started three years ago, I was doing seventy hours a

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<v Speaker 5>week and I held that up across an entire year.

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<v Speaker 5>I hit a New Year's resolution, outsaid man, I am

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<v Speaker 5>killing myself out here.

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<v Speaker 3>One of YouTube videos and I didn't know about them

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<v Speaker 3>until that program was him walking around his suburb talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the difficulties of cost of living that we have

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<v Speaker 3>focused on almost every show at the start of our

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<v Speaker 3>show for the past three years.

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<v Speaker 5>Things are expensive. The cost of living is insane right now.

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<v Speaker 5>If you are just working one job and you're on

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<v Speaker 5>the medium income in Australia sixty seven thousand dollars per

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<v Speaker 5>year right now, you are living just above the poverty line.

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<v Speaker 5>Ten years ago, I was earning probably half of what

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<v Speaker 5>I worked one job, and things just seemed easier to afford.

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<v Speaker 5>I go out and buy things. I wasn't stressing about groceries.

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't stressing about paying rent.

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<v Speaker 3>And the federal election just weeks away, there's a key

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<v Speaker 3>question who's he going to vote for?

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<v Speaker 2>Who will you be voting for in the election?

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<v Speaker 5>The way things are going, it's whoever screws me the least.

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<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of people have lost a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of faith in our politicians, in our political.

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<v Speaker 6>Parties at this point.

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<v Speaker 5>So whoever screws me the least is probably going to

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<v Speaker 5>get my vote. I'm going to be looking at policy.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to be reading policy, and more importantly, we've

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<v Speaker 5>got to I think we've lost faith a lot as

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<v Speaker 5>Australians at this point. We have our pension is struggling

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<v Speaker 5>to retire. They can't retire. And if our pensions can't

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<v Speaker 5>retire right now, what the's going on with me? When

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<v Speaker 5>I retire? Can I retire?

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<v Speaker 6>Am I working till the day I die?

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<v Speaker 5>Because this is looking pretty grim in my stances.

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<v Speaker 3>We know people are hurting, We know people are starting

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<v Speaker 3>to get angry and they are sick of being told

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<v Speaker 3>that everything is getting better when their life is only

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<v Speaker 3>getting worse. More than three million people this close to homelessness,

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<v Speaker 3>and the number of people who are homeless in this

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<v Speaker 3>country is the record number it's ever been. But again,

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<v Speaker 3>before you think, well, hang on, Paul, haven't you sung

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<v Speaker 3>this song before?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have.

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<v Speaker 3>But there are others that are noticing. Simon Benson, writing

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<v Speaker 3>in the Australian newspaper Today, makes the following point that

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<v Speaker 3>Australia's living standards are the worst in the developed world.

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<v Speaker 3>No other developed nation in the world has suffered the

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<v Speaker 3>decline in living standards anywhere near the magnitude of Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>No amount of boasting that the household recession has finally

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<v Speaker 3>come to an end can alter that reality, he continues.

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<v Speaker 3>Fresh OECD data in the form of updated data set

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<v Speaker 3>on household income shows that even after the marginally better

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<v Speaker 3>but still slightly grim economic news, Australia's living standards continue

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<v Speaker 3>to be the worst in the world and there's no

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<v Speaker 3>bounce back coming soon, at least not within this decade.

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<v Speaker 3>The updated OECD data released in the past two weeks

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<v Speaker 3>gives expression to this. The average gains in living standards

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<v Speaker 3>by OECD countries, whereas we're talking about places like the

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<v Speaker 3>United States, New Zealand, Canada, UK, the first world basically

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<v Speaker 3>is up five and a bit percent since March twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Australia in decline.

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<v Speaker 3>Before this week's National accounts the cumulative fall in living

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<v Speaker 3>standards was a negative eight point three. So the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of the world goes forward, Australia goes backwards. They go

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<v Speaker 3>forward five point five, we go backwards eight point three

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<v Speaker 3>and again. If you think you've heard all of this before,

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<v Speaker 3>new data out today shows us that Australians are losing hope.

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<v Speaker 3>It comes via this study from the Australian National University.

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<v Speaker 3>It helps put again more data, more insight into how

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<v Speaker 3>Australians are feeling about their lives, about the future for

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<v Speaker 3>their kids, and the future for their country. Overall life

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<v Speaker 3>satisfaction between October two thousand and nine and the dots

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<v Speaker 3>on the far right of your screen is January twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five, you can see that Australia is turning pessimistic

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<v Speaker 3>about its current situation and about its future.

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<v Speaker 2>You can see that.

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<v Speaker 3>Those numbers are the worst, even after periods of time

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<v Speaker 3>like the COVID pandemic. Now, there's a lot inside all

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<v Speaker 3>of this, and I want to take you through it

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<v Speaker 3>nice and slowly because it's many thousands of people who

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<v Speaker 3>participated in their survey, and there are some people whose

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<v Speaker 3>sense of doom is linked to things like climate change

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<v Speaker 3>and housing affordability. But I want to zone in on

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<v Speaker 3>this issue in and around cost of living that is

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<v Speaker 3>not just a talking point. It is a moment where

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<v Speaker 3>Australia is going backwards and this government promised promised to

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<v Speaker 3>make it better instead worse after the past three years.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, I have a look at this life in

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<v Speaker 3>the past twelve months, thirty one percent of people saying

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<v Speaker 3>that it is worse, just twenty one percent saying better,

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<v Speaker 3>everyone else basically saying pretty much the same. And of

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<v Speaker 3>course if life has been tough and it's still pretty

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<v Speaker 3>much the same, then that's way over fifty percent that

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<v Speaker 3>are in a world of pain right now, specifically in

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<v Speaker 3>and around the issue of cost of living and the

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<v Speaker 3>effect on your household. Again, I show you this here

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<v Speaker 3>that thirty five percent of people believe that things are

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<v Speaker 3>worse since last year, sorry, since twenty twenty three So

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<v Speaker 3>despite two little too late tax cards, despite four fifths

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<v Speaker 3>of bugger all twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Five dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to power, the reality is this, thirty

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<v Speaker 3>five percent of people the household is financially worse off

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<v Speaker 3>under this government. Meantime, if you have a look at

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<v Speaker 3>the overall graph, you're about the percentage of Australians who

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<v Speaker 3>find it difficult or very difficult when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>their own financial circumstances. Have a look. These are not

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<v Speaker 3>good graps for our country. These show how unhappy, emotionally

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<v Speaker 3>unhealthy and struggling. Too many people are equally depressing about

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<v Speaker 3>all of this is does anyone think anything is going

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<v Speaker 3>to get better? Yes, about twenty nine percent of people,

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<v Speaker 3>so less than a third say it is going to

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<v Speaker 3>get better. But once you put together same which is

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<v Speaker 3>the worst in recent memory, plus those the quarter who

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<v Speaker 3>believe it's going to get worse, you can see they're

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<v Speaker 3>what's sixty six in a bid percent, almost sixty seven

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<v Speaker 3>percent of people who believe that things are not going

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<v Speaker 3>to get better. And then we come to the part

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<v Speaker 3>that broke my heart. How do we feel about our

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<v Speaker 3>kids and the life that they will have in an

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<v Speaker 3>Australia that is supposed to be the greatest place in

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<v Speaker 3>the world. As a person who's got two little ones,

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<v Speaker 3>this one broke my heart. Fifty eight percent of people

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<v Speaker 3>in this survey believe that their kids' lives will be

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<v Speaker 3>worse than theirs. Almost sixty percent of people believe that

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<v Speaker 3>their children are going to be worse off. What will

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<v Speaker 3>life be like in the next fifty years? Fifty percent

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<v Speaker 3>of people there also believe that life is going to

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<v Speaker 3>be worse. So it's worse for their kids. It'll be

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<v Speaker 3>worse for them as they move into retirement and then

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<v Speaker 3>into the oldest of years, and when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>this current government and the institution of Federal Parliament. This

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<v Speaker 3>survey again is heartbreaking. It's one thing to talk with

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<v Speaker 3>pride about your country, and we do. It's one that

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<v Speaker 3>love our country and we do. But one of the

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<v Speaker 3>reasons that we have remained laser focused on cost of

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<v Speaker 3>living for the past three years is because if you

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<v Speaker 3>cannot provide for yourself for your kids, if you are

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<v Speaker 3>one of three million people who doesn't know where their

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<v Speaker 3>food is going to come from, if you're the bloke

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<v Speaker 3>who is working seventy hours a week, and you still

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<v Speaker 3>can't make ends meet that our system is failing. Every

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<v Speaker 3>member of the Australian Federal Parliament has received not one,

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<v Speaker 3>but three pay rises in the past three years. Every

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<v Speaker 3>member of the Australian public services receive their biggest pay

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<v Speaker 3>rise in ten years. But what do people think about

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<v Speaker 3>the institution that is Federal Parliament. Do you have confidence

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<v Speaker 3>in the Federal government? It is now down sixty six

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<v Speaker 3>percent of people have little to no confidence in the

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<v Speaker 3>Federal government, in part because they don't do enough, in

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<v Speaker 3>part because they claim they're doing more when they aren't

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<v Speaker 3>doing enough. But again, let's compare that over time. Have

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<v Speaker 3>look at this graph again, it's the same when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to our trust in the Federal government. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>same when it comes to our confidence in the life

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<v Speaker 3>that is there for our kids. It is the same

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to our own financial circumstance. If anyone

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<v Speaker 3>thinks the politicians like Jim Chalmers or the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>can spin and bs their way that everything is better

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<v Speaker 3>when everything is.

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<v Speaker 2>Worse, good luck.

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<v Speaker 3>But to see the greatest country in the world having

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<v Speaker 3>an awful lot of people in it who don't have

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<v Speaker 3>faith in its future, than we are at a fork

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<v Speaker 3>in the road. We need to get rid of this government,

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<v Speaker 3>the government that lied their way to power, that promised

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<v Speaker 3>that everything would be cheaper. Instead everything became more expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>And now because they're able to cobble together some numbers

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<v Speaker 3>deeply affected by government spending that make things seem ever

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<v Speaker 3>so slightly better than the bottom dip, the reality is,

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<v Speaker 3>how could anyone vote for the return of a government

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<v Speaker 3>that has presided over not just are breaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Our finances, but a break in our hearts. We are

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<v Speaker 2>at a fork in the road now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's this election that this means

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<v Speaker 3>people go further to the left or further to the

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<v Speaker 3>right than the parties of government, searching for someone, anyone

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<v Speaker 3>who is going to promise them a better future than

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<v Speaker 3>what they have currently had. But off all of these numbers,

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<v Speaker 3>there is no way that anyone is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>voting for the current government because they think they've done

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<v Speaker 3>a good job. It's going to be at best out

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<v Speaker 3>of partisan loyalty or about something even deeper than that,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's not going to be based off any sort

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<v Speaker 3>of quality performance. Those numbers are frightening, and that's why

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<v Speaker 3>I talk about that before we get to tariffs and

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<v Speaker 3>the politics of all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not unimportant, but.

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<v Speaker 3>This stuff is a little heartbeat check about a country

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<v Speaker 3>whose pulse is getting weaker. The other one is, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to talk about violent crime in Victoria. Now, this

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<v Speaker 3>has been a world of pain. And remember you've been

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<v Speaker 3>called racist for talking about it. You've been called somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who's beating something pretending it's not happening. Well, the reality

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<v Speaker 3>is that crime has been getting worse for a long

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<v Speaker 3>time in Victoria. Perfect example, a bayside family has this

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<v Speaker 3>not one, but two home invasions within twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel Andrews let all of this ride, but he changed

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<v Speaker 3>the subject just into Alan does not have the same

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<v Speaker 3>political skills, But she too, has failed to deal with this.

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<v Speaker 3>There have been many efforts to try to force the

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<v Speaker 3>government to do something, but chief amongst them is my

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<v Speaker 3>mate Fefe box over on Fox FM.

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<v Speaker 2>When an FM.

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<v Speaker 3>Breakfast show is basically doing what you would do in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of a talkback show, then you know something

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<v Speaker 3>has gone wrong. Congratulations to Fife and her colleagues for going.

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<v Speaker 2>Front and center.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always easier to give away money and make people laugh,

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<v Speaker 3>but to talk about what people care about. It really matters,

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<v Speaker 3>and they are put together a petition demanding new changes

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to bail laws, and they've had more than

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and sixty thousand people agree with that petition.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's part of what Feofe was saying this morning on

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<v Speaker 3>the radio.

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<v Speaker 7>So many people have suffered through home invasions, aggravated assaults,

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<v Speaker 7>car jackings, theft, in timid dation, in supermarkets, in shopping centers.

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<v Speaker 7>We have repeat youth offenders that have run riot in

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<v Speaker 7>this city.

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<v Speaker 3>Good stuff, mate, congratulations again. I know how hard it

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<v Speaker 3>is to make the call to do something as serious

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<v Speaker 3>as that in a format like theirs, but they've done it.

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<v Speaker 3>And the premiere didn't hold a press conference. She went

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<v Speaker 3>to Fife's show this morning to say that finally there's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a change.

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<v Speaker 8>We are bringing in the toughest bail laws in the country,

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<v Speaker 8>and there's a combination of factors that lead to that.

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<v Speaker 8>The first year is we are putting community safety first

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<v Speaker 8>and foremost in bail decisions, putting the safety of the

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<v Speaker 8>community front and center. And we're also reversing that change

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<v Speaker 8>where ramand or bail was seen as a last resort

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<v Speaker 8>for youth offending. So that's a key change.

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<v Speaker 3>But unbelievably, there are still people who want to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you that there is nothing to see here when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to crime in Victoria. This was one of the

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<v Speaker 3>hot takes that was there in the turbul Times today

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<v Speaker 3>as Labour vows to introduce its toughest bail laws. Ever,

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<v Speaker 3>is Victoria trulli in a crime crisis?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>You see there's lots of ways that this gets hidden.

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<v Speaker 3>Often you'll end up seeing reporting which is a number

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<v Speaker 3>of crimes per one hundred thousand people, and therefore when

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<v Speaker 3>the population increases, the number of crimes increase, but the

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<v Speaker 3>percentage on which it's connected back to they're able to

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<v Speaker 3>hide the figures. But when you actually go and have

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<v Speaker 3>a look at the website that the Victorian government uses,

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<v Speaker 3>as you can see, even on this version of trying

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<v Speaker 3>to pretend nothing to see here, it's up twelve months

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<v Speaker 3>by twelve and a half percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Or ten percent.

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<v Speaker 3>We were talking about the offense raper one hundred thousand people.

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<v Speaker 3>I also want to compare just the past couple of

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<v Speaker 3>years in Victoria about how many crimes are being committed

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<v Speaker 3>and have been committed under a system that this government

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<v Speaker 3>that has been in there for the best part of

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<v Speaker 3>ten years tried to look the other way or gaslight

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<v Speaker 3>victorians that it was not as bad as it seemed.

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<v Speaker 3>This the total number of criminal offenses recorded in Victoria

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<v Speaker 3>just a couple of years ago was four hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>seventy four thousand, still way too many. That's jumped to

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred and seventy eight thousand in.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't even have the latest numbers when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to now you want to break them down by say,

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<v Speaker 3>people being assaulted in Victoria, Well, the number of crimes

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<v Speaker 3>against the person, and that can be everything from assault, murder,

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<v Speaker 3>all other forms of that stuff, intimidation eighty three thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Two years later, it's four and a bit thousand more people. Now, remember,

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<v Speaker 3>these are not just crimes, these are victims. Eighty three

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<v Speaker 3>thousand victims two years ago becomes ninety one thousand victims

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<v Speaker 3>last year. It's not about the perpetrator, It's about the

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<v Speaker 3>person who forever looks around a corner and is nervous

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<v Speaker 3>about what's about to happen. When it comes to property

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<v Speaker 3>crimes again, showing you this too, what an explosion this

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<v Speaker 3>has been in terms of people breaking into houses two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and forty three thousand, seven hundred and ninety eight

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<v Speaker 3>Crimes Committee just two years ago up to now three

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and thirty two thousand. Yet the Guardian turns around

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<v Speaker 3>and asks the disgraceful question, is Victoria truly in a

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<v Speaker 3>crime crisis? It was two years ago, it is now

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<v Speaker 3>and it will be next year. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 3>very serious stuff that we need to talk about. This

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<v Speaker 3>is very important because this is not just people making

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<v Speaker 3>it up, responding to talk back radio, getting REDVD up

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<v Speaker 3>by what they read in the paper or see on television.

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<v Speaker 3>This is their lives and this is things that is

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<v Speaker 3>happening to their family, to their home, to their business,

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<v Speaker 3>to their car, to their communities. And good on everyone

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<v Speaker 3>who forced this government's hand, but shame on this government

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<v Speaker 3>for needing this all three three mcgs worth of offenses

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<v Speaker 3>for them to finally take notice and finally promise that

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be doing something different. For their part,

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<v Speaker 3>the police have responded today the Police Association, who remember are.

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<v Speaker 2>The people who have to lock these people.

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<v Speaker 3>Up only to see them get bail when some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of soft magistrate, here's some sort of sob story. They

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<v Speaker 3>respond today that they're police that's happening. Yeah, too little,

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<v Speaker 3>too late, but they're pleased at least something is moving.

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<v Speaker 9>Ordinary people in our community who deserve to be safe

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<v Speaker 9>in their homes, deserve to be safe in their cars,

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<v Speaker 9>deserve to be safe on our streets. They've got every

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<v Speaker 9>right to expect that, they've got every right to feel

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<v Speaker 9>that when the police do their job, that the courts

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<v Speaker 9>will carry out effectively are decisions that are in their best.

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<v Speaker 3>Interest as for the people that will potentially take over

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<v Speaker 3>government whenever that Victorian election is This was their take

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<v Speaker 3>on too little, too late today.

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<v Speaker 10>The Premier may have apologized for a poor judgment and

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<v Speaker 10>weak bail laws, but that's going to be very cold

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<v Speaker 10>comfort to the families of every victim of crime who

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<v Speaker 10>has suffered attacks on them on their personal safety because

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<v Speaker 10>this premier got it so badly wrong. An apology isn't enough.

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<v Speaker 10>Labor got it wrong because they believe in weak boil laws.

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<v Speaker 10>Make no mistake, the Premier is being dragged, kicking and

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<v Speaker 10>screaming to announce these changes today, not because she believes

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<v Speaker 10>in it, but because the polls tell of Victorians are

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<v Speaker 10>sick and tired of Labour's week bail laws.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely absolutely, Oh does Victoria have a crime crisis problem? Seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>these numbers are on the front page of the Crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Statistics so I want to know.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you push this one and you double this

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<v Speaker 3>near please, if somebody broke into your house, it had

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<v Speaker 3>changed your life forever. If somebody has sold it a

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<v Speaker 3>member of your family, it had changed your life forever.

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<v Speaker 3>So don't give me this population garbage. The reality is

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<v Speaker 3>that a system where people think they can get away

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<v Speaker 3>with it means there will be more crime when they

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<v Speaker 3>don't think they're going to get away with it. Guess

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<v Speaker 3>what crime will fall. That's the way it has worked

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<v Speaker 3>the world over. It should be that all over Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly in Victoria. Now today massive news out of the

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<v Speaker 3>High Court as well. This one's going to cost taxpayers billions,

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<v Speaker 3>and I mean billions of dollars. A landmark High Court

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<v Speaker 3>decision today has led about seven hundred million dollars worth

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<v Speaker 3>of compensation to Indigenous people in the Northern Territory. Put simply,

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<v Speaker 3>these is a decision in and around a mine from

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<v Speaker 3>a long time ago. Let me try and read this

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<v Speaker 3>to you because it does get complicated. The case, which

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<v Speaker 3>was brought by the late Indigenous elder and land rights pioneer,

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<v Speaker 3>exposed as the Commonwealth with a multimillion dollar compensation claim

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<v Speaker 3>of a land had acquired in the Northern Territory during

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<v Speaker 3>the twentieth century. The claim would reach about seven hundred

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars based on the reported value of the forty

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<v Speaker 3>two year old Rio Tinto and Go traditional owners stuck

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<v Speaker 3>struck in twenty and eleven. It's all to be with

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<v Speaker 3>a mind that goes back to the sixties. Beyond that,

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<v Speaker 3>the case is significant because it opens the federal government

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<v Speaker 3>but not the States, to further compensation claims when Commonwealth

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<v Speaker 3>controlled the Northern Territory between nineteen eleven and nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch this space.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's now talk about the tariffs and the trump

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<v Speaker 3>of it all, because there's a little more to.

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<v Speaker 2>This than you may realize.

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<v Speaker 3>And yes it's all about Ozzie steel and yes, Ossie

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<v Speaker 3>steel going into the United States is not a huge industry,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's an important one. But of course it's indicative

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<v Speaker 3>about just how bad the relationship is between Australia and

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<v Speaker 3>the United States. The arrogance of this prime Minister is hopeless,

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<v Speaker 3>self absorbed and arrogant ambassador in Washington who thought that

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<v Speaker 3>he could shit can Donald Trump and somehow thought there

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<v Speaker 3>would be a forever Biden area and no attempt to

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<v Speaker 3>change the relationship. In the period of time between November

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<v Speaker 3>when the election took place and January when he was

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<v Speaker 3>sworn in, the Prime Minister did not go to meet

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump, did not try to build any relationship, and

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump is all about relationships.

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<v Speaker 11>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I had thought that somehow I was going to join

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<v Speaker 3>the leap in at the start of this, and I

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<v Speaker 3>thought we were probably going to get an exemption because

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<v Speaker 3>someone will pull some string somewhere. But all of the

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<v Speaker 3>strings have been pulled and we have failed in part.

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<v Speaker 3>Today he's the Prime Minister responding to remember what he

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<v Speaker 3>had already set up as a previous conversation and agreed

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<v Speaker 3>language and basically hinted a few weeks ago, Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 3>we going to get one. Now he can't even get

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<v Speaker 3>Trump to answer his phone.

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<v Speaker 12>Such a decision by the Trump administration is entirely unjustified.

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<v Speaker 12>Friends need to act in a way that reinforces to

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<v Speaker 12>our respective populations the fact that we are friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, remember this bloke in a phone conversation just a

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<v Speaker 3>few weeks ago, pretended that he was on the inside

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<v Speaker 3>track to a deal. Can't get a phone call. Sharry's

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<v Speaker 3>reporting in her program and at sky onees, dot com

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<v Speaker 3>dot auho has followed this for many a week. But

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<v Speaker 3>these people want to pretend on I know it's all

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<v Speaker 3>Donald's fault now, okay, it's ultimately Donald's decision. But where

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<v Speaker 3>was the relationship? Who did we deploy? Did we deploy

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<v Speaker 3>the man in Kevin Rudd, who, as I said, has

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<v Speaker 3>abused this bloke Uphill and Dan Dale for his own

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<v Speaker 3>ego when he thought that was the best way to

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<v Speaker 3>raise his international profile. Peter Dutton speaks on the behalf

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<v Speaker 3>of the country. Who knows we missed an opportunity here

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<v Speaker 3>to form a relationship to get an exemption.

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<v Speaker 11>This Prime Minister is completely out of his depth. He

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<v Speaker 11>has no idea what he's doing when it comes to energy,

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<v Speaker 11>when it comes to the economy, when it comes to

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<v Speaker 11>national security, when it comes to keeping Australian safe, and

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<v Speaker 11>when it comes to this relationship which obviously is now

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<v Speaker 11>critically broken between the US and Australia because of the

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<v Speaker 11>Prime Minister's incompetence.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I'm going to tell you how Albo's going to

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<v Speaker 3>turn this obvious loss into what he thinks is going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a political win. Every time Australians are polled

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<v Speaker 3>about Donald Trump, those of us that our fans are

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<v Speaker 3>in the minority.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>I think many people are wrong about Trump, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>the reality. A pollo was taken just before the American

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<v Speaker 3>election would show that if Australians could vote, they would

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<v Speaker 3>have voted for Kamala Arras. There would have been about

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<v Speaker 3>a third of the country that would have voted for

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump, and then obviously a collection of people who

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<v Speaker 3>don't know or wouldn't vote. That has been updated now

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<v Speaker 3>in a red Bridge pole which turned up in one

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<v Speaker 3>of the Sunday papers just a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 3>it shows that what forty seven percent of people have

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<v Speaker 3>a very unfavorable Put that together with twelve percent who

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<v Speaker 3>believe it to be a very unfavorable it's about fifty

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<v Speaker 3>nine percent of Australians who have a negative view of

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump. That means we're going to get a scenario

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<v Speaker 3>where Anthony Arberneze thinking that he doesn't really have to

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<v Speaker 3>deal again with Trump at any time in the next

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<v Speaker 3>few weeks is basically going to slowly but surely, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>not use his name, but start to pivot against Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, what he's going to try to do is

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<v Speaker 3>try to pretend that the alternative Prime Minister is the

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<v Speaker 3>Aussie version of Donald Trump, despite the fact that Peter

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<v Speaker 3>Dutton receives regular criticism from the right wing that he

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<v Speaker 3>ain't Trump enough. Now, how many times does this guy

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<v Speaker 3>have to say, I'm not Australia's Trump. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be like Trump, I'm not Trump, I don't believe

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<v Speaker 3>in things like Trump. I'm not going to do things

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<v Speaker 3>like Trump. But it doesn't matter because the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 3>think they've worked out the big brush and they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to stain him with again. This is what Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 3>says about him and Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>And I don't believe I am. I grew up.

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<v Speaker 11>Under John Howard's when I've worked closely with Peter Costello

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<v Speaker 11>as assistant treasurer, so I think that's more my role

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 11>model than others around the world. But of course that's

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<v Speaker 11>not going to stop Labour's mates like those reporting on

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<v Speaker 11>sixty Minutes and we spoke about it at the time,

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<v Speaker 11>trying to pretend no matter how many times he says,

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<v Speaker 11>I'm not Aussie Trump. You go back and back and

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<v Speaker 11>back and back and back until people don't even hear

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<v Speaker 11>the denial anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>From what the Australian seen thus far, they'd be forgiven

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<v Speaker 3>for thinking that you are right up Donald Trump's ass.

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<v Speaker 2>There was another version of it today.

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<v Speaker 13>I know that you are a man who can have

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<v Speaker 13>a laugh at himself, and you have pretty thick skin,

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 13>and you've copped a lot of nicknames over the years,

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<v Speaker 13>one of the most recent being Timu Trump. I'm interested

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<v Speaker 13>to get your take on that, on being described as

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<v Speaker 13>a cut price Donald Trump, and do you see any

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<v Speaker 13>similarities between yourself and Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>I read two things.

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<v Speaker 11>One is that I'm nothing like Trump, or I should

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<v Speaker 11>be more like Trump. Although I'm a cut price version

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<v Speaker 11>of Trump, I'm my own person. The biggest influence in

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 11>my political life has been John Howard and Peter Costello.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch this space.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll do it over and over again, because yes, they

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<v Speaker 3>may have to deal with Donald Trump after the election,

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:51.400
<v Speaker 3>but there is an election to be one. And trying

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 3>to pretend that Peter Duddan is Ossie Trump, despite the

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:55.480
<v Speaker 3>fact that the people who are the third of the

0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 3>country or so who really like Donald Trump, No he's

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<v Speaker 3>not Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll just do it anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>And speaking of all tariffs and things to do with this,

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<v Speaker 3>can I be very clear Australia has not got clean

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<v Speaker 3>hands when it comes to the little taxes that we

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<v Speaker 3>put on products coming in from the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>For example cars. Now, cars come in all shapes, all sizes,

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 3>but the bigger they are, the more expensive they are.

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 3>And the most expensive sorry, the number one car in

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 3>the country is the Ford Everest. Now that has a

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 3>price tag which attracts a thing called the luxury car tax.

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 3>Now you may well think they are luxury or not luxury,

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:36.120
<v Speaker 3>but anything over a certain amount of money attracts the

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.280
<v Speaker 3>luxury car tax. Now that, of course was all to

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 3>protect the Australian car industry. But there is no Holden anymore.

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:46.320
<v Speaker 3>There is no Ford plant, there is no Mitsubishi or Toyota.

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<v Speaker 3>As Ross Green would explain a couple of years ago

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<v Speaker 3>on Channel.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine, buying a new car is never cheap, but thousands

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>of Sydney drivers are being slugged with a luxury car

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 1>tax on their family vehicles. Loophole is being blamed, with

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:06.639
<v Speaker 1>drivers of some European convertibles avoiding it altogether.

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<v Speaker 14>It's the tax that really shouldn't exist. The luxury car

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:16.120
<v Speaker 14>tax protected Australian car makers and workers from falling tariffs

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:17.520
<v Speaker 14>on imported vehicles.

0:28:17.840 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 15>The dealer is now forecast ruined for a trade that

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<v Speaker 15>was already suffering declining fortunes.

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<v Speaker 14>Today Australia doesn't make cars, there's no industry or jobs

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<v Speaker 14>to protect, but the tax remains.

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<v Speaker 3>And the number one selling car in the country gets

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<v Speaker 3>if you get the tricked up version the luxury car tax.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, this is how it works.

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<v Speaker 3>If you purchase a car, every dollar over eighty thousand,

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 3>five hundred and sixty seven dollars gets a thirty three

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 3>percent tax. If it is a fuel efficient vehicle, that

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 3>number is ninety one, three hundred and eighty seven. Could

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 3>somebody please explain why are we still putting a tariff,

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<v Speaker 3>not a luxury car tax, but a tariff.

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>On over a certain amount of value. Now you would know.

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 3>If you've been anywhere overseas, you know their cars are cheaper.

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 3>You should be able to buy them overseas if you

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:09.400
<v Speaker 3>want to ship them in at your own expense without

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 3>paying any of these taxes, let alone.

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 2>The GST on top of all of this.

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 3>In fact, I double checked this about just how much

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 3>money easy money Australia collects via car tariffs. In twenty twenty,

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 3>it was five hundred and forty million dollars. Remember the

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 3>car industry was basically done in twenty twenty. That number

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 3>is now one point one billion dollars. Bigger cars, more

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 3>expensive cars, but everything over eighty grand gets thirty three

0:29:40.520 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 3>percent tax for every dollar over that eighty thousand dollars.

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 3>So this federal government has a tariff, a tariff on cars.

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<v Speaker 3>So what we want to run around and pretend that

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<v Speaker 3>to well, it's Donald Trump that's out of control. Why

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.239
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't we try to negotiate to make sure that we've

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 3>got an exemption when it came to steel taxes by

0:29:58.160 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 3>saying we're going to get rid of our car tar

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 3>because we don't have an Australian car industry because the unions,

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 3>of course made it completely uncompetitive, let alone Australia when

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 3>it comes to our cost of power and electricity. But

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:14.880
<v Speaker 3>this billion dollars car tariff will just sit there in

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<v Speaker 3>the next federal budget and nobody will think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But also to explain why the Americans are doing what

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 3>they are doing. You can agree or disagree, but this

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 3>is the central logic, which is that they make millions

0:30:26.840 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 3>of cars in the United States and they want them

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 3>to be sent around the world. And as a person

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 3>who'd like to one day drive around in a Chevy,

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<v Speaker 3>Silverado or one of those big rams, I'd love to

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<v Speaker 3>do it, but I don't have one hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Of Cadillac at fifty thousand dollars from Detroit cost sixty

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<v Speaker 4>five thousand dollars in Germany because all the unfair trade. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>that same Cadillac, you try to sell it to China,

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<v Speaker 4>it's eighty thousand. You try to sell the Vietnam, it's

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 4>one hundred and ten thousand. You try to sell at

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<v Speaker 4>the India the Maharajia tariffs, that's one hundred forty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, bit of doom and gloom, but necessary doom

0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 3>and gloom. So let's put some effort back into the hope.

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Let's lift the tone, Let's lift the Aussie spirit. Oscar

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 3>Piastre will be racing in Melbourne this weekend and the

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 3>opening round of the Formula One. How good strive to

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 3>survive by the way, Oh, I can't get enough. He

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 3>drives for the McLaren team, and he's a man who

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 3>one day will be a world champion. It was confirmed

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 3>today that he has signed a new multi year deal,

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 3>meaning that he wins that world championship with McLaren.

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<v Speaker 16>Hey, everyone, I just wanted to say thanks for all

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 16>the nice messages comments that I've had since we ann

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 16>It's the very same news today, So yeah, thank.

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<v Speaker 6>You very much for all of that.

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<v Speaker 16>I'm super excited to continue with the team for many

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:48.240
<v Speaker 16>many years to come.

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 3>What a great blow. Good luck to him and everyone

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 3>else who's competing and watching that things are sell out

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 3>each and every year.

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Bang, just like that.

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 3>It's awesome to see. Right, you'll see that all this

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<v Speaker 3>weekend on Fox Sports. All right, let us get into it. Bromin,

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Bishop Stephen Conroy, lots to talk about in there, and

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 3>breaking news about leaks that are now starting to come

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 3>from inside the Liberal Party. Who was out to sabotage

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 3>Peter Duddin.

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 2>We discussed next.

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<v Speaker 3>In a couple of weeks time, we are going to

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 3>be into Wombo it's the next of our ourtown locations.

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<v Speaker 3>If you would like to join us on the thirtieth

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<v Speaker 3>of March, please send me an email tonight. Let's fill

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<v Speaker 3>the joy. We've got the biggest room we possibly can

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 3>and I know plenty of people watch the show there

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 3>on Sky News Regional, on Foxtell, Flash through the app or.

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Any old how if there's still VHS taps around.

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:38.959
<v Speaker 3>Outown at sky news dot com dot you outtown at

0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:40.760
<v Speaker 3>skyews dot com dot are you in the man cave?

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 3>The man who just he gets this close and then

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:46.680
<v Speaker 3>just Bromwin goes in for the kill. Stephen Conroy, he's

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:49.040
<v Speaker 3>here to help as always and Bromobishop to carry over chap,

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.959
<v Speaker 3>love you to see you. So let's talk about the tariffs,

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 3>the failure to do so. Add again my suggestion there

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 3>about how Albow plays the next few weeks trying to

0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:01.479
<v Speaker 3>sort of leverage Trumps standing in Australia and the Dutton

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 3>mini Trump of it all, no matter how unfair all

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 3>of that is. Bromwin, why didn't we get an exemption

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 3>and who's to blame?

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<v Speaker 17>Well, we didn't get an exemption for a whole host

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 17>of reasons. I suspect and I think a lot of

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 17>it has got to do with our behavior in the

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:21.959
<v Speaker 17>United Nations with regard for Penny Wong. I think also

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 17>with regard to watching the way the Albanese government has

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 17>handled tariffs and China literally cow towing and saying what

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 17>else can we give you to so we can sell

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:37.640
<v Speaker 17>you some wine and some lobsters, And then when we

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 17>get our airmen or our naval divers attacked by China,

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 17>we say nothing. We find warships going around our country,

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 17>we don't even know they're there, and we see Albanese

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<v Speaker 17>come out and apologize and explain why it's really okay

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.560
<v Speaker 17>for them to be a threat. And I think they

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<v Speaker 17>see that as an enormous weness, and I think all

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 17>those things have played into it. And I think the

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 17>contrast between the way the government has tried has tried

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.800
<v Speaker 17>to handle the tariffs with regard to the United States

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 17>and the way it's handled tariffs with regard to China

0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 17>tells us that all those things that have worried me

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 17>forever that Albo is happy to be the Let's come on,

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 17>China will be a vessel state if you like, whereas

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 17>with the United States it's a partnership. We're saying we

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<v Speaker 17>want to have a defense and he won't even come

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<v Speaker 17>to the party and say three percent.

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<v Speaker 3>So Stephen, what does it say if you can get

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<v Speaker 3>a better deal out of China, you can't get it

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 3>out of America.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, I think Trump has got his own agenda. We've

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<v Speaker 15>just got to get used to the change paradigm that

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 15>he's bringing in both economic and foreign policy. And it

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 15>isn't like it's just Australia that's being harmed. As a

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 15>close ally, the UK has been attacked. He's attacked a

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 15>starm NATO, He's attacked. If you talk to Europeans now,

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 15>they don't believe that Donald Trump will actually follow through

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 15>on Article five, the most critical part of the NATO agreement.

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 15>You see him attack Canada. I mean, how is it

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 15>possible to have a fight with Canada. I am still

0:35:18.200 --> 0:35:21.319
<v Speaker 15>trying to understand on what basis he is making the

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 15>attack on China. I mean he's ripped up the NAFTA

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 15>North American Free Trade Agreement. He has now ripped up

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 15>Australia's US and I helped negotiate this from opposition when

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 15>I was in Parliament. The US free trade agreement with Australia.

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 15>He's now ripped it up. But he's ripping up all

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 15>of these things across the world. And it doesn't matter

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:44.800
<v Speaker 15>whether he used to be America's best friend. He is about,

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 15>in his view, reshaping the debate, reshaping the world to

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 15>his perspective, whether the rest of all think it's economically crazy.

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<v Speaker 15>You know, people are now looking at the nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 15>saying America tried this.

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<v Speaker 17>It's very interesting, but you missed the point. What has

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<v Speaker 17>the Albanese government done about handling a very difficult, difficult

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<v Speaker 17>situation and how does their behavior get judged in the

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<v Speaker 17>real world that you're describing Now, the real.

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<v Speaker 6>World is Australia. Do have to do more on the defense?

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<v Speaker 17>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 15>Okay, exactly, let's be we're down to one Trump nine

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<v Speaker 15>Trump and spent four years telling Europe stop being dependent

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<v Speaker 15>on Russian oil and Russian energy supplies. And you know

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<v Speaker 15>they've been caught out negotiating with the Russians and secrets

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<v Speaker 15>they're more revealed to rebuild the pipeline that got buywn up.

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<v Speaker 15>So he is actually now trying to readdict Europe. He

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<v Speaker 15>is negotiating with the Russians to rebuild the pipeline to.

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<v Speaker 17>Readict you intake on European But okay, but what about

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<v Speaker 17>what about the run of it all?

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<v Speaker 3>What about the elbow of it all that we all

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<v Speaker 3>know I know it as just a bloke on the

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<v Speaker 3>TV right. Trump's about relationships, about familiarity. We know that

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<v Speaker 3>there are some inns here. We know that there are

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<v Speaker 3>very significant Australians that are very significant supporters who've been

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<v Speaker 3>to Marlago plenty. We have a former Prime minister in

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<v Speaker 3>Scott Morrison who spent New Year's Eve with him. We

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<v Speaker 3>have a former Prime minister and Kevin Rudd who literally

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.359
<v Speaker 3>was dressing up stalking him at a golf course as

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<v Speaker 3>a meeting that under centded estimates that the Foreign Afairs

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<v Speaker 3>Department had no details of, no data off. We got

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<v Speaker 3>a prime minister who yes, gets aphone call at the start,

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<v Speaker 3>he gets referred to as a wonderful person and then

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<v Speaker 3>no follow up afterwards. Why didn't they put the work in?

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<v Speaker 3>And Stephen, is it fair to say they didn't put

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<v Speaker 3>the work in between November? The great system about America

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<v Speaker 3>is you know who's won the election, they don't take

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<v Speaker 3>over till January. Get off your dot and go to

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<v Speaker 3>their house and see them.

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<v Speaker 15>So some gossip that has been put to me is

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<v Speaker 15>that to be fair, and we all know how relentless

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 15>Kevin Rudd can be. Okay, we've all witnessed it, we've been.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay.

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<v Speaker 15>My understanding is he, just like the promise have been

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<v Speaker 15>trying to do over the last few days, did reach

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<v Speaker 15>out to mar A Lano.

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<v Speaker 6>He did attempt him.

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<v Speaker 15>It's too late and they just wouldn't take his call.

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<v Speaker 17>Too late. There was a very that one of you,

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<v Speaker 17>even loosely the other. There are a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 17>people who are very pro Australia in the Congress, with

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<v Speaker 17>whom who do get the ear of Donald Trump. And

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<v Speaker 17>these are the areas where concentrated if it should have

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<v Speaker 17>been put there's a whole lot of diplomacy that could

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<v Speaker 17>have been exercised. But with the players in the field,

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<v Speaker 17>and I've got to say I think Penny Wong's one

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<v Speaker 17>of the worst in the field and making relations worse

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<v Speaker 17>than they ever needed to be has put us on

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<v Speaker 17>the back foot. Now when when the spokesman came out

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<v Speaker 17>today and said yes it was on the table to

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<v Speaker 17>consider Australia being exempt, but has been denied. So what

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<v Speaker 17>happened between the statements being made. Yes, we're going to

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<v Speaker 17>consider it and know it's off the table.

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<v Speaker 15>That's the bottom has attacked every matter of he did

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<v Speaker 15>traditional Canada.

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<v Speaker 17>He did not, did not say to any other ever,

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<v Speaker 17>other country that we are considering giving you an exemption,

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<v Speaker 17>not one only Australia. Now, who blew it from being

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<v Speaker 17>on the table.

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<v Speaker 6>Trump being never had any intention?

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<v Speaker 17>Well you can no, you can't.

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<v Speaker 6>He was polite because it was one offers.

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<v Speaker 15>We all know the dance plate and he doesn't all

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<v Speaker 15>know how the dance works.

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<v Speaker 6>On the first call, everyone's everybody, no, no, no, he

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<v Speaker 6>never on the.

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<v Speaker 17>Phone and got on the plane. Is the bloke who's

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<v Speaker 17>been bagging him off? That doesn't work that way.

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<v Speaker 3>And also found half.

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<v Speaker 17>Too easy Stephen to say we didn't get it because

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<v Speaker 17>it was never.

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<v Speaker 6>The Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 3>You gone all right, you've opened the door now.

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<v Speaker 6>Peter Dunne just really wants emmy Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 17>Des don't believe me, Peter Dutton, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me get off that. Let me get off the

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<v Speaker 3>fence now, or not off the fence, off the bench

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 3>to he wants to be Peter Donald Trumps ivic said

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<v Speaker 3>a hundred times that he said he's not right. He

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<v Speaker 3>cops it from the right for for staying on ned zero,

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<v Speaker 3>for staying in a human rights counsel, the whole collection

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<v Speaker 3>of things, and not tearing up Paris all the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of it. Right, So there's plenty of people already starting

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<v Speaker 3>to sort of echo and I think this is them

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:40.399
<v Speaker 3>taking out insurance in case he doesn't win. By the way,

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 3>people do that sometimes that you know, he's not pure enough, right,

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 3>the goldilocks of it all. But there is something to

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<v Speaker 3>be said about Donald Trump's standing in Australia. Now you know,

0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm pro Trump, right, but that's not the majority position

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia. So for Albanezi, is he going to try

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<v Speaker 3>to play this game of constantly saying you're Trump, your Trump,

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:00.239
<v Speaker 3>your Trump, your Trump as a way of dirting up

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<v Speaker 3>somebody who's been criticized for not being Trump.

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<v Speaker 15>Enough, just because the right wingers I want to try

0:41:06.640 --> 0:41:11.800
<v Speaker 15>and drag him to the climate. You know, cancelation argument

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 15>doesn't mean that Dutton himself doesn't desperately want to ape Trump.

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 15>He just knows that it will lose more votes if

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<v Speaker 15>he does so.

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:28.040
<v Speaker 6>He is called in that frand to want to mc

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<v Speaker 6>Donald Trump to be.

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<v Speaker 17>Unlike Elbows, even worse than Stammer.

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<v Speaker 18>He is ignoring your advice. I mean he desperately wants

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:39.879
<v Speaker 18>him to ado Trump policies. Albert, I hope you win

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:43.359
<v Speaker 18>the argument. I hope you dragged up into the Trump can. No,

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<v Speaker 18>I'm not doing that Australian's deep down.

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<v Speaker 17>I'm saying he really wants to be No, he does.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why they don't want to elect him.

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<v Speaker 2>Rubbish.

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 17>They do want to elect him.

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 18>They just actually did a poll in newspoll and said

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<v Speaker 18>they don't want to elect him, want him not to.

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<v Speaker 3>Look.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't say it's ever easy to do my job,

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<v Speaker 2>but that was pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you guys. All right, stick around, we've got to

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 3>do another one round two next.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll report back on what they say, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll just be hugs and kisses during the break. Plenty

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<v Speaker 3>more here on Paul murraw Life. Thanks for watching, here,

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<v Speaker 3>were Bromber, Bishop Stephen Conroy. Let's keep going speed around now.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's a lot about all right, Annabel crab I

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<v Speaker 3>think trying to find some sort of passive aggressive way

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.000
<v Speaker 3>of having you go at. Peter Dutton suggested that somehow

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:35.640
<v Speaker 3>he's losing advantage.

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Because he's more popular.

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 3>But then there's a couple of other stories worth talking

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 3>about which are a little bit of a worry if

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 3>you're this close to an election. In the Australian newspaper

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<v Speaker 3>tonight online and in the paper tomorrow, there's a story

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<v Speaker 3>about Liberal MPs who I apparently have a problem with

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:51.280
<v Speaker 3>the small target approach.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's the even.

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<v Speaker 3>More damaging story which is the City Morning Herald, where

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<v Speaker 3>some people are now starting to leak what the internal

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 3>documents are of either the talking point to MP's and

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<v Speaker 3>potentially some of the decisions that are about to be

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 3>made so bromwin.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing the.

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 3>Labor Party does the closer they get to an election

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 3>is the tighter their amounts become about ever criticizing anyone,

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.040
<v Speaker 3>even if they think the person who is leading the

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 3>ship is exactly the wrong one. Liberals not so much.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on here?

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<v Speaker 17>Well, I read both those articles. I thought the Underbelt

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:29.800
<v Speaker 17>Prayer article was a little bit like the curitique a

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<v Speaker 17>little bit and it was interesting, a little bit was bad.

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:35.880
<v Speaker 17>It did go on a bit and on and on

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:41.959
<v Speaker 17>and on with regard to the Sydney Morning Herald. That's

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 17>a bitch piece. And I think when the leader, when

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 17>the opposition leader is looking good, are then you're going

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 17>to find those stories because those who want to cut

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 17>him down, dare I say it coming from the government,

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.319
<v Speaker 17>who might dress it up as looking like it's coming

0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 17>from the opposition. Right tactics are used to you'll see

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 17>those sort of articles emanate. So I don't think it's

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 17>a trend. But the tighter, the tighter the race, and

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 17>the longer to go, the more of these little things

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 17>can come out and they have to be battered back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean it ain't. It ain't Kevin rut on the phone

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<v Speaker 3>to Lory Oaks. Oh sorry, never proved, never proven, right,

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.319
<v Speaker 3>But we know that the part of the effect of

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.840
<v Speaker 3>this stuff is so that whatever you were planning to

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.439
<v Speaker 3>talk about tomorrow, whatever heat you were trying to put

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:35.520
<v Speaker 3>on the person you're fighting against, a question will come

0:44:35.520 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 3>from somewhere, which means you have to step away from

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:40.719
<v Speaker 3>the thing that you're trying to fight on. I think

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 3>what was really interesting to note about that sort of

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:46.800
<v Speaker 3>Dutton Trump stuff from when he pivots pretty well whenever

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 3>he's asked this question. Now into the greatest hits.

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<v Speaker 17>And she's got a simple answer. Really, yeah, I'm not

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 17>without the hair, there's no similarity.

0:44:58.520 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there we go.

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:02.240
<v Speaker 3>But Steven as a person who would like the political

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 3>advantage to fall the way of the government, this stuff

0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 3>is not good.

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 15>Now, look, I think there's it's probably been the toughest

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 15>I don't necessarily say the worst, but the toughest few

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:11.720
<v Speaker 15>weeks he's had.

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:12.360
<v Speaker 2>For a long time.

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:18.120
<v Speaker 15>Some of the stories around his personal finances, the stories

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:22.399
<v Speaker 15>around trips to fundraisers have caught him and he's looked

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 15>a little bit flat food. I think the West Australian

0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:27.560
<v Speaker 15>election will have rattled him a little bit. Like the

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.120
<v Speaker 15>PM's we're saying to anyone, you know, we're holding up

0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:33.479
<v Speaker 15>in WA. Dutton is not working as well in WA, and.

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>You know it lives him.

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<v Speaker 15>We say no, it's not true. Definitely not true. Or

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<v Speaker 15>the West Australian.

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<v Speaker 17>You know, with Western Australia, I thought any expectation for

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:42.640
<v Speaker 17>the Liberals still have done at a state level better

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 17>than they did was really blowing into the wind, was

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<v Speaker 17>their own speak.

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 15>The Lips thought they'd get ten and fifteen was a

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:53.719
<v Speaker 15>bit over the top. But they are not even close

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:57.840
<v Speaker 15>to ten. So what the results show is that Dutton

0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:00.720
<v Speaker 15>is not taking as well in Wa and that Labor

0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 15>may win the four seats, so may hold the full

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:06.759
<v Speaker 15>seats they won last time. Bullwinkle, no one's tried to

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 15>claim on our side, so I think that would rattle

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 15>them a bit. And the small target Now, to be fair,

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.520
<v Speaker 15>there's a couple of other really prominent people who've been

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:18.919
<v Speaker 15>talking about the small target problem and they named Paul

0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 15>and Bromwin. We have had this discussion over a month

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.719
<v Speaker 15>or two now that the strategy You've been like, he

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 15>is like, I've been involved in small target strategies.

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:29.880
<v Speaker 6>This is a very small target strategy.

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 3>But the one thing that the one thing that a

0:46:32.000 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 3>delayed election does do is it gives him budget in

0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 3>reply Now, unlike many opposition leaders where normally that'll happen,

0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:42.839
<v Speaker 3>you know whatever, March April may floats around and then

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.640
<v Speaker 3>an election's way off. If I mean, there can be

0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:48.920
<v Speaker 3>a scenario here where basically the following Monday an election

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 3>could be called or a week later, and dunt I

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:53.960
<v Speaker 3>don't think he's got enough credit for his budget in

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 3>reply speeches because they have been yes, general sort of

0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 3>overall statements. But that's where he dropped the foreign vent

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 3>stuff that's popular with seventy three percent of people in

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 3>marginal seats. So I think they've got a massive chance

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:09.160
<v Speaker 3>to put perhaps the biggest part of the stake on

0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:10.719
<v Speaker 3>the table on that day.

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:11.320
<v Speaker 2>What do you reckon?

0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 17>Well, I do too. And he used the budget reply

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 17>speech to drop the policy on nuclear energy.

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 3>Yes, correct, and.

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<v Speaker 17>It has maintained its attraction.

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<v Speaker 2>Good point.

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<v Speaker 17>And when you look to be honest that the worst

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<v Speaker 17>problem this country has at the moment is a cost

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<v Speaker 17>of energy. We have an energy crisis because everything we do,

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<v Speaker 17>whether it's buying a piece of a pencil and a

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<v Speaker 17>paper for a kid at school, the fact that it

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<v Speaker 17>has to be transported, that it has to be made,

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<v Speaker 17>everything is dependent on the cost of energy. And not

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<v Speaker 17>only are we absolutely defacing this beautiful continent.

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<v Speaker 6>Of ours that ma came like you have.

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<v Speaker 17>I said he would cost the New South Wales Liberals

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<v Speaker 17>government and he did end up costing you too, because

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<v Speaker 17>he's just such a I don't know, there's no words

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<v Speaker 17>to describe how I feel about.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good way to tap the brakes because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to have the meeting with the lawyers on it.

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<v Speaker 3>I do appreciate it all right, Thank you very much, Browin,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much, Stephen. A reminder if you'd love

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<v Speaker 3>to join us for ourtown into one but in a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks time, and we'll have some big news

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<v Speaker 3>in and around all that which we'll announce in the

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<v Speaker 3>next few days, simply send me an email which is

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<v Speaker 3>outtown at sky news dot com dot AU, outoun at

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<v Speaker 3>sky news dot com dot A you for Sunday, March

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<v Speaker 3>the thirtieth. If ever, you want to also send me

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<v Speaker 3>an email, news tip or something that you've seen around

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<v Speaker 3>and the rest of the Meetia is doing that you'd

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<v Speaker 3>love to see me get the size nines and am

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<v Speaker 3>I size and probably slightly smaller anyway, but still rip in.

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<v Speaker 3>You can always send me that email. Pollard skuynews dot

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<v Speaker 3>com dot E. The late debate just a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>moments away. We'll look for to seeing you again tomorrow

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<v Speaker 3>night where we're looking forward to a conversation in the

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<v Speaker 3>next couple of days with the Tasmanian premiere. Why because

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<v Speaker 3>he's cutting up red tape.

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<v Speaker 2>See you then, Yes,