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Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, June twenty, twenty twenty five. Federal police have

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Speaker 1: written to more than a thousand parents and cares of

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Speaker 1: kids who may have come into contact with a child

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Speaker 1: sex offender who worked at after school care services. That

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Speaker 1: story is live now at the Australian dot com dot au.

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Speaker 1: Sleepless Nights, ballistic missile attacks and babies born underground. Our

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Speaker 1: reporters in the Middle East, Leah Mendes and Yonnibashan, join

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Speaker 1: us between trips to the bomb shelter to reveal what

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Speaker 1: it's like reporting the Iran Israel war. Jonni Vashan and

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Speaker 1: Leam Mendez. A week ago, you were in our Sydney newsroom,

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Speaker 1: rushing to finish your story before you jumped on a plane.

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Speaker 1: When this war began, we had one reporter already in Israel,

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Speaker 1: Page Taylor, who spent several nights taking shelter as the

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Speaker 1: missiles rained on Jerusalem. And then there was serious discussions

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Speaker 1: between our editors about getting Paige out and whether it

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Speaker 1: was right to send you guys in, especially as the

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Speaker 1: airspace was closed and it seemed incredibly dangerous. Took me

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Speaker 1: through the journey to where you are. Now, how did

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Speaker 1: you get there? Starting from when you left Sydney, we were.

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Speaker 2: Getting these alerts coming through our phones about Israeli attacks

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Speaker 2: on Iran, and at first we were just thinking, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's probably just nothing, like do.

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Speaker 3: We even pay attention to this?

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Speaker 2: And then as the kind of hours wore on, both

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Speaker 2: Liam and I immediately start talking to each other because

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Speaker 2: whenever anything happens in Israel, Lamb and I start texting,

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Speaker 2: you know, is this us going back to Israel? But

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Speaker 2: once it became clear that this was serious and would

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Speaker 2: have long term ramifications and potential tectonic shifts are growing

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East, we were getting on a plane

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Speaker 2: and we had a few hours to put everything together.

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Speaker 2: I started to write out of a column that we

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Speaker 2: were putting out in the business section of the paper,

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Speaker 2: which always fun. But then from Liam's perspective, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're trying to figure out how long we're even going

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Speaker 2: to be overseas for. We don't know how long this

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Speaker 2: is going to tail out for. And so yeah, then

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Speaker 2: we meet at the airport, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, we met at the airport and we get

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Speaker 4: to the counter, and the checking gentleman says to us,

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Speaker 4: if you're traveling to you know, places like Iran, Iraq,

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Speaker 4: you're not allowed to flight. Tel Aviv turned out was fine,

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Speaker 4: but our flight had been canceled. But we could still

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Speaker 4: get on this flight to Dubai. So we thought, okay,

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Speaker 4: that's great, but how are we going to get into

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Speaker 3: Love Bie, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Journey, But I just remember most of that flight sitting

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Speaker 2: next to Liam, say, Justin's okay, what are the borders

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Speaker 2: with Israel? We're thinking, okay, Jordanian airspace is closed. Do

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna work.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna take too long. We need to get there

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Speaker 2: really fast. I mean, we sort of debated whether we'd

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Speaker 2: fly to a place called Charmel Shake, which is in

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Speaker 2: the Sinai in Egypt. The only problem is to get

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Speaker 2: countries that aren't especially friendly to all passport holders, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if we're going to do that one.

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Speaker 2: In the end, we decided to land in Cairo, which

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Speaker 2: is an amazing place.

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Speaker 5: We didn't get see enough of it.

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Speaker 2: You could see the you can actually see the pyramids

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Speaker 2: rock side of the LEA was on the wrong side

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Speaker 5: I got to see the pyramids.

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Speaker 3: It's all happening here.

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Speaker 6: It's all happening.

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Speaker 4: Just started to hit us, I feel like you're gonna

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Speaker 4: And then and then we organized a car. We got

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Speaker 3: We're in a checkpoint.

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Speaker 6: This is our first checkpoint, just before the sweers can out,

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Speaker 3: Taken our passports, and there's a bit of there's a

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Speaker 7: We keep presenting them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yon's on a German passport. I'm on a Swiss passport.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how good that Germany is. All the Swiss, French,

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Speaker 4: But they're just kind of standing there, just holding our

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Speaker 4: quite strange that you also had forgotten your your your

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Speaker 4: what margin call was.

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Speaker 1: That's the business column that y only writes in The Australian.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So the thing is like they didn't understand what we

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Speaker 3: We were like, we're trying.

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Speaker 2: To get to Israel and they're like, why do you

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Speaker 2: so why are you here. It's like because our ticket

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Speaker 3: It's like, but why are you here.

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Speaker 2: It's like because we're driving from Karro.

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Speaker 5: Like no one does this, no one, No one gets

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Speaker 2: who do you work for?

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Speaker 5: It's like the Australian. So they saw like my profile

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Speaker 2: But then Liam goes show them the video of us

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Speaker 5: From start to finish.

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Speaker 2: It seemed like five or six minutes after that, he

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Speaker 1: Well, those those kind of checkpoints, you know, normally I

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Speaker 1: So you can't do that.

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Speaker 3: No, we can't be doing that.

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Speaker 2: The word backsheesh was constantly in my mind.

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Speaker 3: Acts we didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: So you crossed at a border crossing called a lad

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Speaker 1: And of course all this time you're dealing with our

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Speaker 4: Honestly, the you know, I'd never been to Egypt, never

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Speaker 4: It says like do not travel here. That was probably

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Speaker 4: We did take the safest route through that part of

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Speaker 2: It felt like for me anyway, the bigger risks were

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Speaker 3: We were running on adrenaline essentially.

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Speaker 1: So now you're in Tel Aviv, you're staying in a hotel,

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Speaker 1: But at night you try to it's in sleep. But

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Speaker 1: I've said to Yanni, it's a bit like having a newborn.

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Speaker 1: By the sounds of things, You're getting woken up every

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Speaker 3: So you can one in half an.

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Speaker 1: You must still be absolutely exhausted. Tell me what it's

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean one thing, I have total empathy with

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Speaker 2: Like I think both Liam and I have learned that

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Speaker 2: if you want to get enough sleep, first of all,

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Speaker 2: until the first alarm, which tends to be around midnight,

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Speaker 2: I think the most alarms we've had in one night

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Speaker 1: So Liam, we've got some amazing vision of you and

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Speaker 4: Then suddenly it gets through and it lands about two

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Speaker 4: Before this war started, you know, it was unheard of

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Speaker 1: When it's daylight, you're out in about reporting, but still

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Speaker 2: So we've had an alert telling us that we need

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Speaker 2: People just have to walk that's right, pull over to

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Speaker 5: Do you have a preference.

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Speaker 1: Would you rather be in the hotel bomb shelter or

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Speaker 2: Personally, I'd rather be under the underpass in broad daylight

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Speaker 4: When you're in the field, you know some of these

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Speaker 3: People are arguing with their families and things like that.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you know, you kind of get to know

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