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Speaker 1: Apote production.

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Speaker 2: Best line up you've ever been on stage with probably

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Speaker 2: would have been I just put went long ago on Facebook,

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Speaker 2: and that would have been like some of the Olympias

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would have been like me. Well, actually the

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Speaker 3: year before that, ninety seven was Dori and NASA, Flex Wheeler,

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Speaker 3: Kevin Levone, Chris call Me, I think Vince Taylor. There's

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Speaker 3: probably more I'm forgetting, but just like up played that way.

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Speaker 3: Even even the smaller shows, though they iron means back

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Speaker 3: in the day or they aren't of classics, were pretty

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Speaker 3: much like Olympia lineups minus mister Olympia. Now, I don't

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Speaker 3: know why guys do one show and they qualify Forlympia

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Speaker 3: then take a year off. And I think guys are

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Speaker 3: just lazy now because back then you had they.

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Speaker 1: Really compete and look good.

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Speaker 3: They get magazine contracts to get supplement contracts, whereas now

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of bodybuilders who are more Internet bodybuilders

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Speaker 3: and stuff. So back then, I think computing was a

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Speaker 3: one year was eleven, but generally I had to do

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Speaker 3: three to four shows a year. Now you got young

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Speaker 3: guys who were twenty five to twenty six doing one

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Speaker 3: even say, back in their day, they just trained a

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Speaker 3: forty five minutes, you're over training and this, and like

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Speaker 3: trains forty five minutes a day in any sport to

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Speaker 3: be the best. So I said, you're a fucking body.

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Speaker 3: Be Ablder said, all you do is eat, sleep and train.

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Speaker 3: How are you going to overtrain if you're getting the

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Speaker 3: rest and food in. But everyone wants to get big,

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Speaker 3: but they want to you know what it's like now

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Speaker 3: people don't want to do the hard work, but the

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Speaker 3: easiest ways they're appeal I can take to do that,

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Speaker 3: and nothing's going to beat hard work, no matter what

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Speaker 3: hear that they still want the easy way, but there

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Speaker 3: is no easy way in anything.

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Speaker 1: So what what's so?

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Speaker 4: What would be the natural day for you as a

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Speaker 1: How would you start the data and probably.

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Speaker 3: Get up in the morning about four and do cardio

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Speaker 3: or even back down. I'll probably go to the gym

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Speaker 3: And there's plenty of video where you see me put

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Speaker 1: Out in the streets.

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Speaker 3: Everyone else normals in bed. So I'd probably do like

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Speaker 1: What would that consist of?

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Speaker 3: Like I might just do like chest and biceps or

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Speaker 3: and then I do an hour cardio straight after that and.

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Speaker 1: Then do what the cardio would be?

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Speaker 3: They'll laugh at me doing it. They go, we just

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Speaker 3: trained longer because technically, if you're doing waits, it is

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Speaker 3: the training and then do cardio. Plus, when I'm dieting,

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Speaker 1: Clean when you did your food. Did you ever? Were

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Speaker 3: Up in the beginning I did, But then after a

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Speaker 3: the lowest I went was two fifty grams of carbs

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I just people got down that. You know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you had to take to go by Like I

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Speaker 1: But now I've stopped that. Yeah, because were you were

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Speaker 1: It was never doing your scales.

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Speaker 3: See now, when I won the San Francisco when people

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Speaker 3: were like, what'd you weigh on stage? I said, what

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Speaker 3: Like two thirty five at least to forty. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I weigh one hundred and ninety nine pounds. But my

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Speaker 3: insured a bit small. It was after the car accident. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that got thrown in super I got the best arms

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Speaker 1: So what what what is the strongest part of your body.

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Speaker 3: In my arms and legs in that back in the day, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: people had a weak chest, but my chest was still good.

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Speaker 3: The young proles by dilts and arms with that big

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Speaker 3: being on a smaller frame doing posers just overshadowed different areas.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, with I'll go quickly.

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Speaker 4: Not well, won't go quickly because this is this is

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Speaker 4: something I want to ask you because now I've been

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Speaker 4: I'm a person that's very open about that. I've taken

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Speaker 4: step with it and I don't give a shit what

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Speaker 4: I look at it like I want to look good.

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Speaker 4: Girls want to look when they get their tits.

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Speaker 1: Done, you know what I mean. That's another thing.

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Speaker 4: But they get the boatoxes and all like that, so

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Speaker 4: the same as what we do.

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Speaker 3: But I've always been that way because I saw Tom

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Speaker 3: like it just shut them down. I've always been that

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Speaker 3: I said, look, I'm not going to lie to people.

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Speaker 3: If they asked me, I don't say I'm on. And

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Speaker 3: I said, this is what I've used, so it's not

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Speaker 3: guy once said take eight hundred, you feel better. I

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Speaker 1: Good for me.

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Speaker 3: And every time I told people it was andadrol to

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't take any more than two meals. So that's

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Speaker 3: five hundred if it's properly two fifty. Because I've been

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Speaker 3: five thousand milligrams at test and I'm like, you don't

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Speaker 3: pros you take them more than the pros or bullshit,

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Speaker 3: I said, look, I take four hundred, They're like, he's lying,

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Speaker 3: He's got to be taken more. But it doesn't work

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Speaker 3: that way. It comes down genetics. You know how you train,

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Speaker 3: your mindset everything. But as I've always been honest when

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Speaker 3: taken so much. And like I said, you can take steroids,

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Speaker 3: you'ven't got the genetics and the willpower and the drive

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Speaker 3: but it's always weird I found of bodybuilding because I've

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Speaker 3: to go take on Djokovic next year being professional. But

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Speaker 3: steroids think there can be mister Olympia for some reason.

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Speaker 3: It's like that's the only difference between you and them

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Speaker 3: is the drugs. It's like, okay, it was like it

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Speaker 3: was back in the day Ben Johnson took wind Stroll

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Speaker 3: and won a gold medal. Yeah, I think what every

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Speaker 3: fucking bodybuild takes Windstroll gety for contest. We can't run

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Speaker 3: crazy what people think that. You know, nineteen.

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Speaker 1: What was? How did how did you get introduced to.

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Speaker 3: No. My last show was thirteen when I won the Universe,

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Speaker 3: Training because I've always done training, but the competing and

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Speaker 4: So, but you wouldn't. You wouldn't do it full time.

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Speaker 4: You don't get in enough for full time.

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Speaker 3: It's just interesting because people are you know, there's five

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Speaker 3: And then I was like, I haven't got You're going

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Speaker 3: I don't like eating that food this, and I think

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