WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 4 May 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:06.680 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live Today, 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.840 Good evening. Haggod, was that West Tiger's win? How many 0:00:09.000 --> 0:00:13.360 did that Saturday? Right? Haggard? Was that Tiger's win? Okay? 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:19.840 Obviously millions of people are not feeling great today, rough 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.560 night last night and trying to process exactly what went wrong, 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.480 what the future may or may not look like. Can 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.440 I just say at the start of this show, at 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.720 the start of this next phase of the journey that 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:33.720 the country goes on, and the journey that we've been 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:40.159 on now for more than fifteen years, this next phase 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:44.880 is not in any way about going to be criticizing 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:51.120 what we believe. Okay, Will the Greens drop a want 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:54.440 for free dental because Adam Bant may or may not 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.360 lose his seat? Of course not. There are fundamental things 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:03.120 that we believe in. There's a fundament into worldview that 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.520 we have and it's one that you have every right 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:10.520 to hold. The conversation that clearly has to happen. Will 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:15.280 happen is to talk about the vessel with which millions 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.039 of people trusted with their vote yesterday and its capacity 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.240 to be able to harness that support and grow it 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.320 into areas that clearly it has lost over a long 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.039 period of time. Like all good friends, you have to 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.520 tell the truth, and sometimes those truths are going to 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.480 be uncomfortable. But I'm going to make this promise right now, 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:40.600 this program, this station will continue to do what every 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.080 media organization in the country should have as its central 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.280 purpose each every day, which is to hold powerful people 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:51.840 to account. Because a government wins a majority of one 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.320 seats or one hundred seats does not mean you're never 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:59.200 allowed to criticize them. It doesn't mean that you give 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.680 them a free parts on every piece of legislation that 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.200 they introduce, and that you won't focus on the people 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.560 who are inevitably left behind when a line is drawn 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:13.000 this way or that way when it comes to policy. Now, 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.520 something that I have focused our show on over the 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.399 past few years is to always give you as much 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:25.040 data as possible. So if we've been following these weekly conversations, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:30.119 there is no surprise about the result. There is a surprise, 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.200 of course, about the magnitudes, and that's demographics and a 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:34.840 whole bunch of stuff that I'll bore you with later. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:41.000 But front and center, this show, this program, this station 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.240 will do what it has always done and on this 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.680 program and me as a host, I will show you 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.440 the data from the Bureau of Statistics that tells us 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:57.119 how many people are working multiple jobs. I'll show you 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.880 the data from the Bureau of Statistics when the inflation 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.839 numbers come out that while the headline's going to be good, 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.840 the amount of money that you're having to pay over 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:12.320 insurance has gone through the roof. When there's a report 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.720 that tells us from the OECD about how our classrooms 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:20.520 are some of the most disruptive in the developed world, 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:25.960 I'm going to talk about it. When the napland results 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:30.680 tell us that a third a third of Australian kids 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.440 I'm not hitting the marks of basic literacy and numeracy. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.200 I'm going to talk about it now. Will we of 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.440 course find funny clips of people we disagree with saying 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.480 and doing stupid things, you bet you, But also we're 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.880 going to have the conversation that we have had on 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.320 this program for fifteen years. And I always talk about 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:56.520 how I try to in putting the show together and 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.200 in sitting in front of the microphone each and every night, 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.040 is to try to be the most honest show on 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:05.760 television and by that I mean, when I'm pissed off, 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:10.160 you'll see it. When I'm happy, you'll see it. When 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:12.320 there's good news to tell you, I'll tell you it. 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.920 And when there are tough truths to discuss, we will 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:21.120 do it. I am certainly and absolutely have never been 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:25.120 arrogant enough to believe that mine is the only voice 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.839 in the world, and therefore I'm right about everything. Like 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:33.240 any diet, you need lots of ingredients, perhaps for me 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.919 a few less nuggets, but you get my point. So 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.760 I get it. Millions of people are really upset today. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.920 But the joy of our democracy is regardless of whether 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.040 you are a person who got the result that they 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.920 wanted or the one that didn't. We all love this joint. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.039 We all want it to be better, and that's why 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.560 we get annoyed when we see the signs that it 0:04:56.720 --> 0:05:01.520 is not. I have gone on and on and on 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.440 and on and on and on and on during the 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.839 cost of living stuff about three million people being this 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.360 close to homelessness. That's the point that is just as 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.160 valid the day before the election as it is the 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:18.239 day after the election. So let's go on the journey 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.479 for the next little while of trying to work out 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.520 what's next. Let us not delude ourselves, and if everyone's 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.799 just a bit more like us, then everything will be awesome. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.000 Let's be serious about how our country has changed. And 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.120 one of the things that again I've shown you is 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.400 about the demographics, about the difference about under fifty over 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.120 fifty male and female, and tonight in the state of 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.080 the race. We will get into all of that in 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.600 a moment or two's time. We'll also have a chat 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.200 to Tom Connell about the latest results which are showing 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.720 some pretty tight races in some of the seats that 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:55.000 people had claimed last night. Is a privilege to talk 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.080 to you every day, one I will never take for granted, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.160 and one that I hope to repay with honesty, enthusiasm, 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:06.799 and at times a little bit of entertainment. So let's 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:10.040 get to the five things not about this election, about data. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:16.000 But let's get too so what's next. We all know 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.360 what happened last night. I will save you playing five 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.000 hundred times over speeches you've already heard that have already 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.200 no doubt probably made you feel a little weird, but 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:29.640 still Prime Minister takes his victory lap today. While I 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.919 was in the room last night in Brisbane one of 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:36.280 the most lovely moments. And remember when Kim Beasley lost 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.480 in two thousand and one, there was a lot of 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.600 people in his concession speech you said, oh, if that 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.400 guy had turned up, that'd be the guy who'd win 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.720 an election. That's not the point I'm going to make here, 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.880 but I loved that there was a really human dad 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:52.920 moment where the kids turned to him and he turns 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.320 to the kids. Not for the politics of it all, 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.200 but for people who knew that their dad may have 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.000 woken up yesterday with the hope of being the Prime Minister, 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.800 but ended last night as a person who is now 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:09.440 out of Australian politics. To Peter Dutton, to his wife 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.400 Kiri Lee, and to those beautiful children they have had 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.880 to share their father with the entire country for a 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:21.600 long time, in fact, for most of their lives. They 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.720 now have dad back, and I look forward to continuing 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.720 a friendship with a man who I well and truly 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:33.840 do admire. In terms of the gravity and size of things. Again, 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:35.560 I could sit here and show you this chart and 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.840 that chart, but you know all of that. You've seen 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:40.960 all of that. If you're watching now, you were watching 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.840 every minute of the coverage last night, and I loved 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.000 our panel and I loved their insights. But I've got 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:51.160 to say probably the person who, with good humor and 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:55.360 his traditional smile, an old school labor man, Joel Fitzgibbon. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:08:02.040 He made a point about where things are stark, a 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.080 little bit frightening, but it's also true. 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.160 What do all these people have in common other than 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.080 the fact that they led the Liberal Party at some 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:19.240 point Menzies, Holt, Gordon, McMahons, Nevin p Cock, Howard, Yusen, Downer, Nelson, Turnbull, 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:25.040 Abbott and Dunton. They all represented seats the Liberal Party 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:28.160 no longer represents. Thank god, they've hung on to one. 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:32.400 And Cook that's pretty wild. That's pretty wild, and he's 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:37.800 not rubbing sold into the wounds. Is diagnosing the obvious again. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.080 Tom Connell, who was the first call at the best 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.199 call it the man who is top of his game, 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.840 top of his game, knows it inside, knows it outside, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.839 and will always take a random phone call from me, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:50.480 what about this? What about that? Have you thought about this? 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.000 What's going on there? Tom Connell is an absolute star, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:58.120 absolute star, and he's going to move his screen a 0:08:58.120 --> 0:08:59.640 little closer to the man Cave'll talk to him in 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.040 a moment. Who's time? State of the race? The last 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:03.719 one for these Sunday nights that have gone all the 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.440 way through. But obviously Cos Samarus from Redbridge and Michael 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:09.440 Kroger are part of the PM Live family and we 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.080 will have a chat in such a fashion in a 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:19.560 couple of moments time. So what's next now? Again, I 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.679 could go through five different things about what happened here 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:25.440 in demographic and I'll get to all of that. But 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.760 you've got to look forward, and you've got to be positive, 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.000 and you've got to be pragmatic, and you've got to 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:35.840 be realistic. So I'm going to ask some questions that 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.760 maybe I don't have the answer to the day after, 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.080 but I think is the beginning of the conversation that 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.920 needs to be had about the political vessel under which 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:50.199 millions of people voted for yesterday. Number One, I want 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:55.199 the Liberal Party to take time to be honest about 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:59.600 what happened. I don't want a quick review in and 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.480 out couple of weeks one press conference. I don't want 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:08.080 the people at the front of the movement to think 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.400 that label will eventually drop the ball. And the last 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.640 person standing will one day become the prime minister. No, 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.160 it's going to require a lot more work than that. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:22.800 I'd love to see the Liberal Party have the honesty 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:27.600 and openness to not just have one review, but what 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:32.920 about multiple reviews, not just chapters inside the reviews. What 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.720 about about one done by a person under fifty about 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:40.959 the issue of under fifty? What about suburban inner suburban 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.559 ideas out of suburban ideas as well? I should say 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.760 there should be multiple people of those different flocks who 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:53.720 tell us their views of things. Why not invite the 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.320 living former prime ministers not to make a submission, but 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.800 to make it public about what they think the future 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:06.320 of the movement is. There's no point or purpose in 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.240 constantly talking about the numbers that came in on Saturday, 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.840 but they are the reality and the political reality that 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.960 we will be living with for the next three years. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.040 I also think that the organization should look to some 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:27.199 elements of the corporate sector here, and you're going to 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.880 maybe think, oh, a little bit lefty here, Paul, No, no, no, 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.160 there are people who work for massive corporations in this 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:40.319 country who are experts in change, and that isn't about diversity, quota, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.440 special mentions of this and everyone humming at the sun 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:50.199 at midday. These are about people. These are people, I 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.600 should say, who have incredible insights not just into human 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.640 behavior but organizational behavior. And yes they are not of 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:03.560 the political flock, but I think there's an opportunity because 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.640 at an organizational level, and again I bare you by 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.400 going through it, but think about it. In New South 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.680 Wales they couldn't fill out a form to get the 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.680 councilors nominated. In Victoria they couldn't fill out a form 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:24.040 to argue the redistributions. There's how many in Western Australia. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.880 Queensland's going well at the state level, but clearly at 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.760 the federal level we saw what happened. There were seats 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.960 of Labor Party wouldn't have even privately thought were possible 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:37.280 that ended up changing. So there's lots of different areas 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.320 of expertise and there are lots of people, and there's 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.400 millions of people who they are able to reach out to, 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.800 not just a conversation inside quick tick and flic go 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.960 go on the attack from day one and will eventually 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:55.760 tear him down. That's not going to work. Bill Shorten, Yes, 0:12:55.880 --> 0:13:00.959 unsuccessful labor leader, he talked about how you did you 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:05.559 fix your party, work on the policy, then turn your 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:09.280 attention to an election. That's the sort of stuff that 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:14.680 I think this organization needs to deal with. Number two 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.959 in the five things that I think are the insights 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:22.800 into the future, don't just learn a lesson, but be 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:29.160 seen to learn a lesson. Now, Australian politics is basically 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:32.080 one third Labor, one third Liberal, and one third who 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.079 are voting for something else, the majority of which are 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:40.480 preferencing the Labor Party. Whoever the leader or leadership team is. 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:45.040 I hope that in the first months after this election 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.320 that they go and hold public town halls in every 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:56.079 single seat that they lost, not so people can yell, 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.800 not so we could gnash our teeth and get the 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:05.000 win about, but to hear people. Hear people who were 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.360 disappointed and went off to the right, disappointed and went 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:13.200 off to the left. And no, you don't turn around 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.920 and say, well, you know, Jenny and Bendigo had this 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.280 one incredible idea, let's change everything. So Jenny from it's 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.040 not about that. But slowly but surely, once you have 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:23.960 a meeting here, and a meeting there, and a meeting 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.080 over there, and one back there, and one over there 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.960 and one off to the side, and yes, the press 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.240 will be there. You'll be able to slowly but surely 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:41.360 see there two, four, six, eight ten ideas. And then 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.360 you put that into the process of an organization that's 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:50.720 serious about change, that's talking to people about change. And 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.240 I think that that's how you can modernize. I think 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:58.640 that's how you reflect the changes in our country. The 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.480 third one worth talking about it you've got to meet 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.040 the people where they are. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:04.880 Now. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.960 People who think the politics about an arm wrestle and 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:08.920 it's only two sides and that's it. Well, we're not 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.280 in a cocin Pepsi world anymore. We're not in a 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:19.040 Fosters or VB world. Where in a world when have 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.000 you ever been to a bottle shop. There's a lot 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.880 of choices out there, and yes, there are two primary 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.280 ones when it comes to the choice of government right now, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.560 but you can't always assume that that's going to be 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.640 the case. In a place like the UK, the Reform 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.520 Party at the council elections and the system's different. It's 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.400 voluntary voting and it's first past the post, but they 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:44.560 got more people elected to more councils across the entire 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:49.720 UK than any other party that was running, and they 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.120 only had just to bear few members of parliament in 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.840 the Federal Parliament. Nija Faraj is still part of the 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.160 Polmurray Life family and he'll be back with us sooner 0:15:58.200 --> 0:15:59.840 rather than later. But he was focused for the past 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.560 few weeks on a campaign and on a campaign about 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:09.000 being a happy warrior. So again, it's about the people 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:13.000 you talk to too. Now you're going to see a 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.320 lot of inevitable analysis from people who are commercial or 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:22.360 ideological rivals, who say, oh, you don't talk to this person, 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:26.480 you should only talk to this people. And there's not 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.080 a strategy of winning that you know. If you do 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.760 a weekly appearance on radio national, everything will be okay. No, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:38.840 you go everywhere, you go everywhere. Whoever the next leader is, 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:42.480 they should be on those breakfast TV shows every single week. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:48.120 Whoever the leader is should be offering opinion columns regularly 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:53.320 in multiple media outlets, of which seventeen people who work 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.360 for those media outlets could turn around and write the response. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.440 But you're still out there. You're still out there talking 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.080 to maybe even a room where ninety percent of people 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:09.399 may disagree with you. There's also the worlds of social media, 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.800 non traditional media, sports, media, entertainment, meet there's lots of 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:18.399 different places to go, FM, breakfast radio. And I know 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.040 that I'm not breaking news that you need to do 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:21.879 these things, but you don't need to do these things 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.440 three weeks before an election. You need to do them 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:29.720 for the full three years to be part of that conversation, 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:36.320 no matter how far away you are from power. And also, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.080 I think that this idea about meeting people where there are, 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.760 and this is probably as sharp as I'm going to 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:48.440 get tonight, which is it's not about putting voters through 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.320 purity tests or the people that you talk to through 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.000 purity tests, and unless you fully pass, you know you 0:17:56.080 --> 0:18:01.560 must be this blue tobaccos. Well, the real is a 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.600 thirty is red, to thirty is blue, and a thirty's 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.240 question mark at the moment. The other thing too, about 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.880 meeting people where they are is the people generally speaking, 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.280 they wake up every single day with a smile on 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.080 their face. The sun comes up, and how good is 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:21.840 it be a happy warrior. Perfect example of that is 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:27.000 the great Nigel Farage, who is going to be on 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:32.320 the show on Tuesday Night, Number four empower the next generation. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.080 This does not mean that the Liberal Party has to 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.320 automatically go, oh, if we run lots of people looking 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.160 like gen Z, then gin Z will vote for us. 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:39.879 All the millennials will vote for us. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:39.960 No. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:45.199 One of the coolest things that happened last night was 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.760 as I was about to leave the room, it took 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.119 me about an hour to leave the room because I 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:58.040 had these great conversations with young party volunteers. Half a 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.280 dozen here, half a dozen there, half a dozen next 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:06.040 to where we were broadcasting. And I hope that those 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.480 voices are not just the soldiers who go and do 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.719 what head office says. I hope that those people feel 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:18.399 like they are part of a process where you're able 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.560 to say, well, my friends say this, and my friends 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.480 say that again, not so you just flip and flip 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:27.600 and flip, but so you've got real insight. I'd like 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:31.800 to see a greater prominence in the policy conversation about 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.560 the next generation of voices, which does not mean that 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:40.000 the current generation or older generations are irrelevant in the conversation. No, no, no. 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.680 The coalition of getting yourself to half of the country 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:49.840 is that there's lots of different networks that make that up, 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.080 and one should not have more value than the other. 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:59.320 My view is in this process, if done right, you 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:03.679 have an ability to have insight into each of those networks, 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:09.200 respecting the people who have won and done before taking 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:13.040 some risk with the people who think that there might 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.480 be a different way of doing something. Every now and then, 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:21.359 and finally, most obviously for the Liberal Party, everything is 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:26.159 on the table. Everything is on the table. Whoever the 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.119 next leader is, I think they should basically stand up 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:32.080 as soon as next week and say, okay, reset button. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.320 Every policy we took. The election gone will decide whether 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:37.199 we do or don't recommit to those things. And that's 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.840 not a conversation about values. That's conversation about policy. You've 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:44.359 got three years to have that conversation. Obviously, with people 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.919 voting early, you have to have the big ideas out early. 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:54.120 But everything's on the table about how to get more 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.160 people to run and the things that you talk about, 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.760 the branding, the logo, all of it. Everything should be 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:04.879 on the table. So again I say, as one of 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:06.760 the millions of people who are disappointed by the result, 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:12.920 we continue because when we give up is when they 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:17.720 truly win. All right, let's get to Tom Connell, the 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:20.400 man who, as I say, I cannot blow enough smoke 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.720 and I cannot pump those tires up hard enough. In fact, 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:24.840 I think his tires should be so big that they 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:26.679 could go onto one of those mining trucks that we 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.440 saw in Cowgoli last week. Tom Connell, he's a mate, 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.400 he's a colleague, and he has been kicking as this election. Mate. 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.399 I know you don't love the public the public praise, 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:37.160 but congratulations on the night made. 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:40.199 Very generous. 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:41.919 I mean I bumped into a couple of people at 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.480 the hotel and they said, oh are you Thomas said yeah. 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.399 They said, do you know Paul Murray? So you know 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.680 we all know really where the Sky newsans sit out there. 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.480 It's all the family. We love you, we love you. Okay, 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.919 let's get through some stuff. Latest count now, obviously labor, 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:57.639 you know there's still plenty on the table for them 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.119 to push a little bit higher. What did say one 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:01.639 day do because we've got to give credit to the 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:03.919 Electric Commission. They actually did have a look into some 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.440 postal voting today and that's tightened a couple of races. 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:10.200 Yeah, it has. 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.640 Let's go through the tally first of all, and where 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.479 we're at. So this is pre election Labour seventy eight. 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:18.720 I want to draw some attention to here Green's four independent, 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.280 four climates two hundred and six. So when we go 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.960 right now to the current count Labor eighty seven, pet Trees, 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.040 the other one that's fallen today with some certainty Coalition 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:28.640 thirty eight. 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:29.400 Look, I think they're going. 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:31.960 To win probably three or four more, depending on how 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:34.200 things go. Look over here at the moment, the Green's 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:35.440 still on zero confirmed. 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:36.680 I think they will. 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:39.199 Win two at least at this stage, but nothing is 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:42.199 actually confirmed. The other independent there it Tally Andrew g 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:44.000 is set to win Claire. We're just seeing who might 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.719 finish second or third. And that's the other interesting story 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.720 I think about this, how many contests are turning into 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:51.879 tight ones where we might see an independent of some 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.760 flavor finishing top two. So Goldstein right now, and I'll 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:57.439 go to that in a moment. You can see climates 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.000 two hundred ahead in that Monash could be an independent 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:04.200 and second Bean is an independent and second Bean in Canberra, Paul. 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.520 That's the margin that Camber that Labour has. 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.040 There we go to the next page, the next to 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.600 a Liberal Labor contest, but Bradfield is obviously a Climate 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:14.600 two hundred contest. Flinders could end up being Climate two 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.159 hundred and second. Menzies is a mess and could have 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.520 an Independent and Fremantle cap Hewlett running very close there 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.080 as well. The next page I mentioned as well Andrew 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.760 Clare and Independent. So this could be the other part 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:27.960 of the story. The next election, when we get that pendulum, 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:29.200 there's going to be a whole chunk. 0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:30.879 We'll see how big the cross Bench is. 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:33.160 I think it will be a similar size, maybe even 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.480 a little bit bigger or a similar size to that sixteen, 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.720 but there'll be another whole number of seats where they'll 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.120 be in the two candidate preferred if they run again 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:43.400 next time around. So I think that's something really worth 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.280 thinking about as we think about how much our sort 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.240 of electoral system and someone has been upended. I wanted 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:51.440 to go here, well here i Ama and Marie at Goldstein. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.919 I wanted to tell you why Goldstein has changed today. Essentially, 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.959