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Speaker 1: It is Fitty remember with you on over for your

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Speaker 1: Tuesday Morning. There's a couple of very powerful documentaries that

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Speaker 1: are out at the moment and it is portraying what

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Speaker 1: happened to Adam Goods, the Sydney Swan's legend, Dull Brownlow Medallist,

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Speaker 1: legend of the club and we all know the story

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Speaker 1: of what happened to Adam.

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Speaker 2: The latest one.

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Speaker 1: That's out now is called The Australian Dream. It's in

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Speaker 1: Cinema's August twenty second. He's a little bit of the trailer.

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Speaker 2: The casual racism is there, it's alive and it's flourishing.

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Speaker 3: The one ever wants is to be respected for who

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Speaker 3: you are.

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Speaker 1: I believe racism is a community issue.

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Speaker 2: It's remarkable, it gives you goose bumps and that's why

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Speaker 2: racism stops with man. That to me was the moment

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Speaker 2: somebody mut Adam Goods Adio.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a documentary that every Australian needs to see.

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Speaker 1: And Adam Goods's best mate and also a Sydney Swan's

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Speaker 1: legend joins us now Mickey A Locklam.

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Speaker 3: Mackay, guys, I think this is this is a special

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Speaker 3: one and obviously close to your heart. In the final

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Speaker 3: quarter is the one that I've seen as a starter,

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Speaker 3: and God, the minute it starts you cannot stop watching.

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Speaker 3: At the time, did you realize the level of I

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Speaker 3: suppose importance for what Adam Goods was trying to say

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Speaker 3: and the message he was trying to get across, because

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Speaker 3: it was missed by a lot.

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Speaker 2: It was I think once you reflected after you're watching

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Speaker 2: the watching the films, yet you reflect, And actually I

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Speaker 2: didn't realize probably the biggest thing that people say to me.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize how bad it was and how how bad.

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Speaker 3: It got, how I felt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Adam, I just remember being there after every

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Speaker 2: sort of game, or after every home game is in

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Speaker 2: particular going but not home games. So when he flew

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Speaker 2: back from away games, being at his house and trying

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Speaker 2: it's just seeing how fatigued and exhausted and he was

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Speaker 2: and how he looked. He was just drained, and I

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Speaker 2: think from being his great mate was just my job

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Speaker 2: was about getting him up and trying to make sure

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Speaker 2: that I was really concerned about my.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, can you you haven't told too many people,

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Speaker 1: too many people this, and you told main confidence, but

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Speaker 1: I'd love for you to tell it because it is powerful.

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Speaker 1: Your children are very close with Adam as well. They

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Speaker 1: call him uncle. There was a moment during the booing incident,

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Speaker 1: and this the best thing about these documentaries is the

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Speaker 1: education that children will be getting out of this, and

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Speaker 1: that's what we need to focus on, is the next generation.

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Speaker 1: But there was a moment when your kids picked up

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Speaker 1: for the first time. Why why is everyone booing uncle?

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Speaker 2: Yeh?

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Speaker 1: And can you tell everyone what happened and what happened

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Speaker 1: to you that day?

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Speaker 2: I was on the phone. I don't know who I

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Speaker 2: was talking to, and my son was just sort of

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Speaker 2: taking out the shirt and we're watching it on television.

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Speaker 2: It was the game in West Coast, I believe, and

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Speaker 2: my boy just actually turned me. I said, hey, I'll

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Speaker 2: get off the phone, said what's up, mate? And he goes,

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Speaker 2: what's happened uncle? And I said, what do you mean?

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Speaker 2: And he goes, oh, everyone's booing him. What does he

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Speaker 2: punched someone? Is he hurt someone? And I went on

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Speaker 2: and I turned it up and it was very evident

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Speaker 2: what was going on. Every time he went near the ball,

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Speaker 2: made a tackle, spoiled the ball, or the the camera

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Speaker 2: went on him. You can see because it obviously gets

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Speaker 2: was just bullying you and it was just absolutely heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: And you broke down, didn't you. That was for you

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Speaker 1: where you cried and said, this is getting a bit

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Speaker 2: So I had to turn them my boy and talk

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Speaker 2: about the reasons why the crowd were doing. It was hard.

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Speaker 2: It was blood It was the toughest conversation I had

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Speaker 2: with my young fella so far. It's just saying about

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Speaker 2: talking to him about racism, what our people have been

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Speaker 2: so just talking him about these things and the stuff

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Speaker 1: Can we focus on there's a moment that everyone and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of commentat now. I showed Mick you

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Speaker 1: gave me the movie over the weekend. I watched it

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Speaker 1: it with your kids if you can. Hue watched it now.

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Speaker 1: It's full on because there's a lot of Indigenous people

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Speaker 1: in there, Gilbert mcaw nicky Wima. They talk about what

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Speaker 1: I didn't know it was that bad. Yeah, but can

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Speaker 1: we focus on There was a moment with the booing

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Speaker 1: as well that it started when Goodsy called out a

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Speaker 1: Collingwood support Now she was thirteen years of age. She

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Speaker 1: was then escorted out of the game that day she

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Speaker 1: called Adam Goods an ape on the Indigenous round. This

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Speaker 1: everyone went Goodsy after that. Why did you call out

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Speaker 1: But he had a press conference afterwards and said, look,

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Speaker 1: we need to look after her safety. She is the

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Speaker 1: to be educated. The positive that came out of that,

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Speaker 1: Mick and I think kids know because Hue said to me,

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Speaker 1: this is what kids know now that a word like

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Speaker 3: No even her parents her fault.

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Speaker 1: Even her mum came out and said, we didn't know

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Speaker 1: what was bad to say those words.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's it really is a Remember I remember commentating

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Speaker 2: And then obviously Adam goes into the rooms after I

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Speaker 2: didn't realize that was offensive, but that's been two people

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Speaker 2: a sub human level is to be to call him

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Speaker 2: monkey ape all those things, and it's it's you know,

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Speaker 2: we're at this time and age now, we're not going

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Speaker 2: I really want to reiterate is how calm and compose

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Speaker 3: The broad sense to be able to see from colne O.

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Speaker 2: Look, no, it would have broken me, mate, And I

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Speaker 2: think you deal with things differently everyone does, and as

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Speaker 2: and my parents actually articulated that to me. But Adam

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Speaker 2: But he was absolutely flat after that. He was I've

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Speaker 2: never seen him so just sapped of energy and I

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Speaker 3: It's interesting too, there was only a couple of sort

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Speaker 3: hang on a minute, very quickly, this guy's become the

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Speaker 3: face of racism in sport.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: The AFL need to get behind this guy and realize

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Speaker 3: And the AFL didn't really budge, you know. I mean

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Speaker 3: Sam Newman looked like an idiot and Eddie fumbled through

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Speaker 3: his words. You know, there was this sort of chatter

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Speaker 3: that was going on as well. But frustrated the AFL,

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Speaker 3: I only sort of apologize and put the hand up

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Speaker 3: At the timing of these documentaries that have come out.

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Speaker 2: It's very late than never, but very disappointing. Well yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty evident and if they had their

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Speaker 2: battling to You've got shareholders and you've got people coming

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Speaker 2: obviously just the way. And you look at every community

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Speaker 2: around Australia, Aboriginal communities around Australia and how much we

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Speaker 2: love the sport of AFL football, NRL basketballk so sport's

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Speaker 2: been a huge vehicle to teach out people about health,

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Speaker 2: education and employment. So it's been a great hook. And

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Speaker 2: then for the game that we love to not support

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Speaker 3: A public's point of view, was to see Adam Goods

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Speaker 3: come out talk about the impact of what that booing

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Speaker 3: the week after, the crowd is still booing, because I

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Speaker 1: It's the tribal day. Still during Indigenous round as well,

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Speaker 3: It was embarrassing as an Australia just.

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Speaker 1: Mickally quick when you hear people say I wasn't booing

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Speaker 1: Adam Goods. It wasn't a racially motivated boo. When I

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Speaker 1: for free kicks. Have you spoken a Goods? What does

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Speaker 1: that mean when you hear that.

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Speaker 2: I call garbage on all of it.

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Speaker 2: And I think every reasonable person does as well. And

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Speaker 2: if you go they always come back to the young

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Speaker 2: go back to the interview, I think he apologized, and

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Speaker 2: not apologize. He actually said we need to educate and

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Speaker 2: it's not the young girl's fault. Twenty odd times so

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many times. And this is what

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Speaker 2: we've got to get better at Australia. I think we

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Speaker 2: live in a great country, but we've got a lot

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Speaker 2: of things to get right. And I've said this publicly

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Speaker 2: a few times. My culture is your culture. We want

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Speaker 2: culture in the world. So that is amazing Australian. Every

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Speaker 2: Australian should get behind that. But we have to get

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Speaker 2: a few things right first. And with that, I mean

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Speaker 2: reconciliation and the things that's going on here in Australia

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Speaker 2: is fantastic. What they're teaching kids in school is unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I went to school, they didn't teach any of it.

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Speaker 2: I was just fortunate enough that I grew up in

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Speaker 2: a community where that was drummed into me. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: drummed into Adam because he'd moved away from his community.

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Speaker 2: So schools now are getting so much better and they're incredible.

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Speaker 2: And I think now where these two films are leading

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Speaker 2: What set set up barbecues, what's said down the pub

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to watch it. That was the headline

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Speaker 1: it worth it? Watching your your best mate go through

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Speaker 2: Great? Great question, I think you sort of you mentioned

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Speaker 2: I think he flicks the channel every now and then

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Speaker 2: your kid run around with the red and white? He goes,

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Speaker 2: all right, so that's the level of football at them

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Speaker 1: And just before you go, most important question, what's the

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Speaker 3: He was the first game.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've been.

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Speaker 1: On the field, but someone's had a great day.

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Speaker 3: I went to I went without a word of a lie.

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Speaker 2: How you be drinking?

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Speaker 3: Mate?

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Speaker 2: That will never be Plugger that to this day is

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Speaker 2: that was one of my most enjoyables, just to.

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Speaker 3: See the old spaghetti on steroids.

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Speaker 1: Kicker he is, mate. We do appreciate your time The Australian.

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Speaker 1: The Australian Dream is in Cinema's August twenty second. Take

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Speaker 1: your kids to go see this and quarters. I think

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Speaker 1: it's curriculum now. Isn't it mean there's going to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we hope so. And they agree with the education

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Speaker 2: and obviously the government. Going to school's a bit really important.

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Speaker 1: One thing I do want to say this split the

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Speaker 1: What I have worked out. You can argue black and

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Speaker 1: I personally think stuff them. Let's think about the kids now.

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Speaker 1: It's the next generation. They need to know about this

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Speaker 1: and make you doing a great job. Meck thanks for

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Speaker 2: Thanks me