WEBVTT - Sharri | 11 June

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry Good Evening.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight we issue our own sanctions against Pennywog and Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezi for their gross double standards on Israel and Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>I also get perspectives from Israel and a former labor

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<v Speaker 2>heavyweight about what damage this government is doing to our

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<v Speaker 2>foreign policy. Also tonight, a curfew in Los Angeles after

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<v Speaker 2>another night of chaos as the number of injured journalists grows.

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Stepanovic is in LA and we'll bring us the latest.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus the psychiatrist will be on the show to share

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<v Speaker 2>her view on how a zembek alters the human brain.

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<v Speaker 2>She says it's even changing desires. That's coming up later.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to start tonight by issuing my own symbolic

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<v Speaker 2>sanctions against the two most damaging figures in the Albanezy government,

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister. I sanction wong

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<v Speaker 2>An Albany for their antagonistic and extreme rahtoric, which over

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<v Speaker 2>the past twenty months has only inflamed anti Israel sentiment

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<v Speaker 2>and contributed to the dangerous rise of anti Semitism in

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<v Speaker 2>our country. They stand condemned. There can be no genuine

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<v Speaker 2>social cohesion, while our nation's leadership continues to pander to

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<v Speaker 2>rabid activists who hate Israel. Because it's clear that the

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<v Speaker 2>anti Israel protest movement has been the key driver of

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<v Speaker 2>the violence, doxing and harassment of Jewish Australians, Wong and

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<v Speaker 2>Albin EASi, in my view, are as dangerous to Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>social fabric as the very Israeli ministers they hipocratically sanctioned overnight. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course my sanctions will make no difference, just like

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<v Speaker 2>theirs won't make a difference to the Israeli ministers they've

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<v Speaker 2>sanctioned Ben Gevera and Smart Rich. But what matters is

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<v Speaker 2>the message it sense, and the message from the Albanzi

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<v Speaker 2>government is this, if you support Israel, you're the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we all know that you don't issue sanctions against

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<v Speaker 2>a friend, you only issue them against an enemy like Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>And thus the Albanezi government is turning Israel into a

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<v Speaker 2>pariah's state and thus Zionists into outcasts. Around ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>percent of Jews are Zionists, so this is extremely dangerous

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<v Speaker 2>for our social cohesion, and their move to issue sanctions

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<v Speaker 2>is juvenile. It's student union style political activism. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>considered foreign policy, but it does have serious implications. It'll

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<v Speaker 2>drive division and distrust, It'll fuel fear amongst Israelis, and

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it will increase hatred of Jews. Thankfully, there

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<v Speaker 2>is still leadership and common sense, if only from the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. The impressive Secretary of State Marco Rubio was

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<v Speaker 2>clear headed and principled when he said this today. He

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<v Speaker 2>said the sanctions do not advance US led efforts to

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<v Speaker 2>achieve a cease fire, bring all hostages home, and end

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<v Speaker 2>the war. He says, we reject any notion of equivalents.

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas is a terror organization that committed unspeakable atrocities, continues

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<v Speaker 2>to hold innocent civilian hostages, and prevents the people of

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza from living in peace. He said, we remind our

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<v Speaker 2>partners not to forget who the real enemy is, because

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<v Speaker 2>Wong and Albaneze have certainly forgotten who the enemy is.

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<v Speaker 2>And Marco Rubio said that the United States now urges

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<v Speaker 2>the reversal of these sanctions. He said, America stands shoulder

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<v Speaker 2>to shoulder with Israel. Now I've been told, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hope it's true that President Donald Trump plans to raise

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<v Speaker 2>this issue with Albinizi when he sees him at the

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<v Speaker 2>G seven shortly. But let's be clear, this move by

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<v Speaker 2>the Albenzi government today is fundamentally flawed and it's wrong

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<v Speaker 2>for three main reasons. It's gross double standards, It abuses

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<v Speaker 2>the purpose of the sanction regime, and it contributes to

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<v Speaker 2>an unwise broader anti Israel foreign policy campaign. And let's

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<v Speaker 2>start with that gross double standard. There are no sanctions

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<v Speaker 2>on Palestinian ministers despite their repeated incitement and glorification of violence.

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<v Speaker 2>And this includes the Palestinian President Mamu Dabas, who defended Hitler,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that the Nazi leader didn't kill Jews because of

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<v Speaker 2>their religion, but because of their social role in how

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<v Speaker 2>they dealt with money.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the Luna essays.

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<v Speaker 2>Lem And just this year, the Palestinian president also said

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<v Speaker 2>that he won't stop the payments to so called martyrs families,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the families of terrorists who kill innocent Israelis. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't Pennywong think this was the greatest obstacle to peace

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<v Speaker 2>funding terrorism and it's this that requires sanctions or apparently not.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the Palestinian president even made a phone call

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<v Speaker 2>congratulating a terrorist who murdered an Israeli baby. Have a listen.

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<v Speaker 2>That is Raeli baby Avia Malka was just nine months old.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's another example. The Palestinian Adviser on Religious Affairs

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<v Speaker 2>and Islamic Relations, Mahmud al Habash said that Hermasa's massacre

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<v Speaker 2>of October seven was legitimate resistance.

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<v Speaker 1>Malama October, no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no.

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<v Speaker 1>October.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there are so many examples, like, there's too many

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<v Speaker 2>for me to go through now, Yet Wang and Alberizi

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<v Speaker 2>have chosen to sanction two controversial Israeli ministers who've committed

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<v Speaker 2>no crime and who are regularly criticized in Israel's free press.

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<v Speaker 2>They're criticized for comments calling on Israel to take back

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<v Speaker 2>control of Gaza. They say the Palestinians should move out,

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<v Speaker 2>and they encourage Israeli settlements in Palestinian areas. Now, clearly

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<v Speaker 2>these are not comments I agree with, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know my views. I express them here every night.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with them, but it's hardly comparable to

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<v Speaker 2>literally paying for terrorism or congratulating the murderer of an

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<v Speaker 2>innocent nine month old baby, And it's certainly not comparable

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<v Speaker 2>to actual crimes committed by any number of politicians around

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<v Speaker 2>the world. Ben Gevera and Smartridge also face elections and

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<v Speaker 2>judicial oversight. The Israeli democracy is famously fierce and the

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<v Speaker 2>law is upheld, but no such accountability exists in the

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian authority, which has not held elections in over a deca.

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<v Speaker 2>If this were about principles not politics, where are the

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<v Speaker 2>sanctions on Palestinian authority ministers? And where are the sanctions

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the Middle East on officials from Mayamma, China

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<v Speaker 2>or Iran, or for that matter, on politicians who have

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<v Speaker 2>said equally controversial comments in America, Canada, France, Germany or

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<v Speaker 2>any country around the world. By this standard, Albanezi and

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<v Speaker 2>Wang would almost certainly be issuing sanctions against the United

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<v Speaker 2>States President. I mean, this is utterly absurd, and it

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<v Speaker 2>brings me to my next point. This very move abuses

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<v Speaker 2>the purpose of the sanctions regime. The Magnitsky legislation under

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<v Speaker 2>which these sanctions are issued was designed to target authoritarian

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<v Speaker 2>regimes places where there's no rule of law, justice system,

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<v Speaker 2>or even elections. This sanction regime was the impetus of

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<v Speaker 2>the late Senator Kimberly Kitching it was a mechanism to

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<v Speaker 2>hold dictators and corrupt autocrats accountable. Now, as I first

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<v Speaker 2>reported in the Australian newspaper, Kimberly Kitching fought for this

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<v Speaker 2>despite opposition from Penny Wong, who refused to let her

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<v Speaker 2>table a private members bill on the Magnitsky laws. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Kimberly's close friend, former Labor MP Michael Downby, he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be on the show tonight. I spoke to him

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<v Speaker 2>today and he says the Kimberly Kitching would be turning

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<v Speaker 2>in her grave right now to see these sanctions abused

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<v Speaker 2>in this way to be used on our ally Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Downby says, Kimberly envisaged this legislation being used against

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<v Speaker 2>authoritarian states and she'd be upset that it was being

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<v Speaker 2>misused against democratic states like Israel, where the rule of

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<v Speaker 2>law and elections deal with any possible violations by local politicians.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, what's next if we don't like the politicians

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<v Speaker 2>in other democratic states like Canada, France or the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to put magnisky bands on them too?

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<v Speaker 2>And as I said, Michael Danby is coming up on

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<v Speaker 2>the show a bit later. But Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Michaelia Cash also said today that this sanctions regime is

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<v Speaker 2>meant to respond to human rights abuses and terrorists acts.

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<v Speaker 2>She says the government's explanatory materials make clear that Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Wong exercised a discretionary power to impose the sanctions because

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<v Speaker 2>of public comments made by the two Israeli ministers. This

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<v Speaker 2>appears to be a new development in our foreign policy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>public comments, not crimes, not actions, but comments. These are

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<v Speaker 2>sanctions for speech. It's bewildering and Mikayla Cash will be

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<v Speaker 2>on the program tomorrow night. Now, this isn't about justice,

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<v Speaker 2>its political punishment against freely elected ministers in a functioning

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<v Speaker 2>democracy with an independent Supreme Court. Now, lastly, as we

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<v Speaker 2>all know, this isn't an isolated incident. It's part of

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<v Speaker 2>an established pattern under the Albanzi government of adopting a

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<v Speaker 2>hostile anti Israel foreign policy platform. Before Albinizi, Israel was

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<v Speaker 2>one of Australia's closest allies. This government is treating Israel

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<v Speaker 2>as a rogue enemy state. AJAK executive director Colin Rubinstein

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<v Speaker 2>said it very well today in a statement when he

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<v Speaker 2>said the government appears to be acting at the behest

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<v Speaker 2>of the obsessive anti Israel activists who constantly scream for

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<v Speaker 2>ever more punitive actions against Israel and largely do not

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<v Speaker 2>seek the two state solution our government says it supports,

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<v Speaker 2>but instead desire Israel's ultimate destruction. And that's right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd they're pandering to. Now, Pennywog stood up today

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<v Speaker 2>and she claimed that she could separate her foreign policy

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<v Speaker 2>position on Israel from Jewish Australians. She said the two

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<v Speaker 2>were unrelated. Now, this is a farcical, naive and simply

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<v Speaker 2>wrong claim that indicates she knows nothing of the racism

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<v Speaker 2>we're facing and the reasons behind it. What Penniwang must

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<v Speaker 2>surely know is that the Jewish community around the world

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<v Speaker 2>is intrinsically connected to the state of Israel. Zionism and

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<v Speaker 2>Judaism are intertwined. Israel is the only Jewish state in

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<v Speaker 2>the world. It's the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people

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<v Speaker 2>who've lived there for thousands of years, and even lived

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<v Speaker 2>there before Islam began. The Albanesi government's egregious and continued

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<v Speaker 2>campaign against Israel is a massive betrayal, and it's my view,

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<v Speaker 2>my very real fear that it only encourages the campaign

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<v Speaker 2>of hate towards Israel, towards Israelis, towards Zionists, and thus

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<v Speaker 2>towards Jews. It sends a signal that in their Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>vilifying Israel is not just tolerated, it's applauded. Now, this

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<v Speaker 2>entire move by Wang and Albanisi is divisive, counterproductive, and

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<v Speaker 2>deeply hypocritical, but it won't go unanswered. The Jewish community

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<v Speaker 2>and many Australians, including many of you watching now see

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what this is. A political stunt wrapped in moral

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<v Speaker 2>posturing during real damage to the social fabric of our

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<v Speaker 2>great country. Well, let's turn to California now, which resembles

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<v Speaker 2>more of a war zone then the usual streets of

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles. The anti ice protests have spiraled in the

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<v Speaker 2>past twenty four hours, forcing Mayor Karen Bass to order

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<v Speaker 2>an emergency curfew for parts of the city, and just

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday she claimed the National Guard won't even need it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>my Sky News colleague and host of First Edition, Pete Stefanovic,

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<v Speaker 2>was on the streets of Los Angeles after the curfew began,

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<v Speaker 2>and here's his report.

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<v Speaker 4>Shari I just want to tell you what's going on

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<v Speaker 4>right now. We are well past the time of the

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<v Speaker 4>curfew coming in, and just beyond me there was a

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<v Speaker 4>group of protesters who were defying police for some time

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<v Speaker 4>and I've got to say they had it coming. I've

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<v Speaker 4>got to say they had it coming because they were

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<v Speaker 4>they were blatantly ignoring the wishes of the mayor and

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<v Speaker 4>the curfew that was in place. And just in the

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<v Speaker 4>past few minutes while we've been standing here, the police

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<v Speaker 4>have had enough and it looks as though they've moved in.

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<v Speaker 4>So there were flash greenn that we used, there were

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<v Speaker 4>other such devices that we used to clear out these

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<v Speaker 4>remaining protesters, and it looks like for now that's worked.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a scene of action right now here. You've

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<v Speaker 4>got riders on horseback who are getting involved. You've got

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<v Speaker 4>huge members of the LAPD who are down here as well.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got choppers above you'd be able to hear those,

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<v Speaker 4>and you've got the bright lights. To some members of

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<v Speaker 4>the media, there's actually not that many protesters here left

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<v Speaker 4>and the police just moved out those who were remaining

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<v Speaker 4>and they've dealt with that. But look, we are almost

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<v Speaker 4>two hours into this curfew and people.

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<v Speaker 5>Were blatantly ignoring it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you've got people who are still driving their

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<v Speaker 4>cars in other parts of downtown LA. You've got other

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<v Speaker 4>people who were just assembling and they were ignoring this curfew.

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<v Speaker 4>And those guys over there, those protesters anyway, just learn

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<v Speaker 4>what happens when you do that. So it's just an

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<v Speaker 4>example of what's going on this evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Us this and while let's bring in labor legend Graham

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<v Speaker 2>Richardson and Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis. Welcome to you, Braith,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, see you, rich O. This is now spreading

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<v Speaker 2>to other major cities in the United States, and it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like it could become just national chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>It does.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very serious situation now and it seems to

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<v Speaker 3>need to be getting worse. And as it gets worse,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think there's much being done. So I've got

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<v Speaker 3>to look at this and say that that Trump's got

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<v Speaker 3>a huge job to do that is just not being done.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, James Trump is well within his rights. He

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<v Speaker 2>has a legitimate claim to deport immigrants. It's what he

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<v Speaker 2>said he was going to do. So, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bit rough that the Democratic leadership are blaming him

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<v Speaker 2>rather than the protesters.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, that's right, and this was his mandate and this

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<v Speaker 6>was his number one issue that I believe got him

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<v Speaker 6>elected Shari was the idea that America's borders were too soft,

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<v Speaker 6>particularly the Mexico border, but from other parts of the

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<v Speaker 6>world as well. The Democrats have been too soft on

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<v Speaker 6>that that was damaging the fabric of society. And so

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<v Speaker 6>in the early stages of his second term, he has

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<v Speaker 6>come in and decided to go straight into it, which

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<v Speaker 6>I think is a really refreshing, refreshing approach for the record,

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<v Speaker 6>that you can just start doing that from day one.

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<v Speaker 6>There is going to be blowback in parts of the

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<v Speaker 6>country and we as we know, America is a really interesting,

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<v Speaker 6>sweltering pot where there's a lot of different people doing

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<v Speaker 6>with different views, and la is one example of that.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think he's just going to go harder on

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<v Speaker 6>this and anyone that defies it will watch out because

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<v Speaker 6>they mean business. There's more marines, more National Guard being

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<v Speaker 6>brought in.

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<v Speaker 2>I worry it's going to turn into sort of similar

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<v Speaker 2>to the lawlessness of the Black Lives Matter movement when

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<v Speaker 2>its spread from city to city.

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<v Speaker 6>They're looting and booting on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Crime storefronts bashed in. I mean, I just get the center, Richo,

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<v Speaker 2>that people love a protest, and you know, these are

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<v Speaker 2>obviously despicable, but at least they're not protesting the Jews

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<v Speaker 2>for once, rich O for once.

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<v Speaker 3>But that having been said, this is pretty pretty sad

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<v Speaker 3>to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, a great country like America, you shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>to cower in your home and be afraid to walk

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<v Speaker 3>out on the pavement. That's just not right.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. Look, what's also become a big story

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<v Speaker 2>here in Australia that they have several journalists have been

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<v Speaker 2>caught in the crossfire. Nine's Lauren Tamasi, the ABC's North

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<v Speaker 2>America correspondent Lauren Day. Also another camera operator New York

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<v Speaker 2>Post cameraman was also hit by a pellet. James, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think? I mean, clearly none of this was deliberate,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the Prime Minister trying to say it was. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you attend to protest, this is a risk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Firstly, I hope Lauren's doing okay and the other media

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<v Speaker 6>representatives that have been caught up in this. And when

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<v Speaker 6>you're working and you are reporting on something that you

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<v Speaker 6>should never ever be injured in the line of fire

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<v Speaker 6>or worse.

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<v Speaker 5>However, the point that I.

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<v Speaker 6>Would make that I don't think has been made enough

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<v Speaker 6>shar that the competitive industry of media has required reporters

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<v Speaker 6>to get the best shot of the day, on the

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<v Speaker 6>story of the day, and in this case, the story

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<v Speaker 6>of the day is standing as close as you can

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<v Speaker 6>to the line of fire of police that are telling

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<v Speaker 6>people to move on, that are you using rubber bullets,

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<v Speaker 6>using tear gas sometimes and so unfortunately, when something like

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<v Speaker 6>this happens, we can be.

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<v Speaker 1>Shocked by it.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think that's sort of where you draw the line,

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<v Speaker 6>and also understand that there is going to be a

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<v Speaker 6>necessary risk when you're in a riot, when you're in

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<v Speaker 6>a war zone, when you're in a time of conflict

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<v Speaker 6>or anything that there is inevitably a risk of something

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<v Speaker 6>going wrong. So that's certainly what we've seen. But any

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<v Speaker 6>claims that this was deliberate, or you know that there

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<v Speaker 6>should be sanctions, or you know, the Prime Minister getting involved,

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<v Speaker 6>I think is far too far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the Prime Minister has said that he's raised

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<v Speaker 2>this at official levels with the United States. Well, let's

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<v Speaker 2>turn to Gratethinberg. She landed in Paris after being deported

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<v Speaker 2>from Israel, and then she immediately gain claimed she'd been kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 7>We were, yeah, on international walters. We were illegally attacked

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<v Speaker 7>and kidnapped by Israel and the taken against our will

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<v Speaker 7>to Israel, where we were detained, and then some of

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<v Speaker 7>us deported.

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<v Speaker 2>Some are still there. I wasn't able to say goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you were you worried about the others that they

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<v Speaker 1>might be detained for any Nay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm very worried about them. Richro Come on, she

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<v Speaker 2>was given a sandwich, somewhater taken to safety. She needs

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<v Speaker 2>to sit down with some actual form of hostages who

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<v Speaker 2>were kidnapped, doesn't she.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she needs to sit down with a therapist.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that'd been a big shop for her. This

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<v Speaker 3>is a this is a troubled girl, in my view,

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<v Speaker 3>and she needs professional help, the kind that you and

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<v Speaker 3>I can't give.

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<v Speaker 2>No indeed, but you know the world seems to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>embolden her, encourage her. I mean, you know, we have

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<v Speaker 2>been talking about it all week, and I regret that

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain extent, but we're not the ones encouraging her.

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<v Speaker 2>It's international media, it's the human rights groups, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>activist that's right, and she plays a role for those people.

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<v Speaker 6>I do look, I feel very sorry for her because

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like she's missed a lot of her childhood

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<v Speaker 6>and a lot of growing up and a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>things that kids do, because she's got a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>a media attention and she's just gone with that. Shari,

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<v Speaker 6>I thought if I could just say, I thought you

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<v Speaker 6>articulated this issue so well off the top of the show,

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<v Speaker 6>and every little step that Australia makes as an umpire's

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<v Speaker 6>call in favor of what they say is the Palestinian

0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:43.679
<v Speaker 6>people is playing into the hands of Hamas. And I

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<v Speaker 6>do think it does have an impact on what we

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<v Speaker 6>see here socially, this anti Israel movement that's driven by

0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:50.840
<v Speaker 6>parts of the left wing media, but we have seen

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<v Speaker 6>day to day certainly when governments are making decisions, then

0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.439
<v Speaker 6>it does encourage that environment. So I think people are

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<v Speaker 6>starting to be deeply concerned by Penny Wong and Anthony Albanezi,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, making these odd decisions and favoring one side

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.280
<v Speaker 6>of this war, in this case cuddling up to a

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<v Speaker 6>terrorist group.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I know, it's pathetic, it really is. And I mean, Richard,

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<v Speaker 2>you say she probably needs to see a therapist. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump says she needs anger management training. Have a look.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, she's a strange person. She's a young, angry person.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know if it's real anger. It's hard to believe, actually,

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<v Speaker 8>but I saw what happened. She's certainly different anger management.

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<v Speaker 8>I think she has to go to an anger management last.

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<v Speaker 8>That's my primary recommendation for her.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably a classroom really, because with all the schools

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<v Speaker 2>she missed, as James sach, who knows if she can

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<v Speaker 2>even read them write properly?

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<v Speaker 3>Richo, Well, I mean I could forgive her if she

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't read or right properly. She's been at to a

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:58.880
<v Speaker 3>professional agitator all her life. Really, you know, it's out

0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:03.479
<v Speaker 3>of the cradle, it's over. She's got little experience of life,

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.639
<v Speaker 3>and plenty experience of the kind of things that we

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<v Speaker 3>don't like in life.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, look before we go, James Willis in the Daily Telegraph,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been covering extensively this issue of the tobacco tax

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<v Speaker 2>and the impact that it is having on the black market,

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<v Speaker 2>the illegal importation of cigarettes and the crime that goes

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<v Speaker 2>with it. What have you been reporting in the past week.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the main takeout, Charry, is that Mark Butler and

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.040
<v Speaker 6>the Albanezi government have completely failed in this regard. And

0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.240
<v Speaker 6>the data that's come out in the last few days

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<v Speaker 6>indicates that the illicit market for cigarettes alone could be

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<v Speaker 6>worth up to forty percent of the total market in play.

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<v Speaker 6>Border Force is collecting and stopping, plus the ATO a

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<v Speaker 6>fraction of how big this issue is. We've got a

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<v Speaker 6>tobacconist opening up on every street corner, We've had fire bombings.

0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:59.080
<v Speaker 6>It is a direct link to criminal gangs. And we've

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<v Speaker 6>got states that are relying on health officials to lead

0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 6>this problem. I mean New Zealand. I don't know if

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 6>they're right or wrong, but New Zealand has regulated vapes

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 6>and that means they can test them and they can

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:12.359
<v Speaker 6>get rid of the single use ones which are brightly

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.040
<v Speaker 6>colored for kids, and that has stopped a lot of

0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 6>people smoking and linking and switching to vaping. So there's

0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 6>something in there. But Mark Butler's approach to this has

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.600
<v Speaker 6>been terrible. We're missing six billion dollars a year in excise,

0:24:23.640 --> 0:24:26.199
<v Speaker 6>but also we are not stopping enough people smoking and

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<v Speaker 6>allowing criminal gangs to run the streets as a result.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the policy settings have certainly created this market, that's

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<v Speaker 2>safe to say. Now it's difficult to know what to

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<v Speaker 2>do with it. Rich O, what do you think do

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<v Speaker 2>you think we should be Do you think the Treasure

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<v Speaker 2>of Jim Chalmers should be lowering the tax to stop

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<v Speaker 2>it going to the black market? Is that the solution here?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean you can do that, but look, I'm

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.359
<v Speaker 3>a fatalist here. I just don't believe you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>fix it. I think the black market will beat you.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's done. Now, you'd give up, it almost is.

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<v Speaker 6>You'd give up when you've got twenty thousand tobacconists in

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 6>New South Wales alone. Yeah, you're gonna have to put

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:12.359
<v Speaker 6>twenty thousand shut signs on. I mean, how could we

0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 6>have such a small ten percent or eight percent of

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 6>people smoking and there's twenty thousand tobacconists in New South

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:21.720
<v Speaker 6>Wales alone, Like, either people are smoking five packs a

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 6>day or there's something not right in that system. They're

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<v Speaker 6>the only business making money at the market.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you said it's a failed experiment and you

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<v Speaker 2>could take any product hike up the taxes on it

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<v Speaker 2>and create a black market, and that's what's happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally, totally right.

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<v Speaker 2>James willis great Richardson, thank you both so much. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if I were to ask you which country out of

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<v Speaker 2>Russia or Ukraine is receiving more Australian funding, you'd of

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 2>course guess Ukraine, but you'd be wrong. There's a new

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<v Speaker 2>report by the Center for Research on Energy and Clean

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<v Speaker 2>Air that's found that Australia has imported more than three

0:25:55.920 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 2>point seven billion dollars worth of oil product derived from

0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Russian crewed since twenty twenty three. And this is compared

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 2>to committing one point five billion to help Ukraine. Johiny me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now is Malcolm Davis from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to see you again. Now, this report says that

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<v Speaker 2>this would have handed the Russian government around one point

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 2>eight five billion dollars in tax revenue. So that's around

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:25.359
<v Speaker 2>three hundred and fifty million dollars more than what Australia

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:29.440
<v Speaker 2>has committed to Ukraine. I mean, does this undermine our

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>commitment to be supporting an ally here?

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<v Speaker 5>Look, the bottom line is we should not be giving

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<v Speaker 5>money a money to Russia a single cent of money

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<v Speaker 5>to Russia. It's appalling that this is somehow allowed to

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<v Speaker 5>happen in the sense that Russia gains funds from Australia

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:51.480
<v Speaker 5>which it then uses to essentially buy weapons and military

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:55.160
<v Speaker 5>technology to attack Ukraine. So at some point the government

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 5>has to say this has to stop and clamp down

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 5>and make sure that not a single goes to Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, in a sense, this is a loophole, one

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>that the Albanesi government's conveniently overlooked, isn't it.

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 5>I think it is probably a loophole that they were

0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:15.720
<v Speaker 5>completely oblivious to. But to be honest, that's no excuse.

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 5>When you have a situation as dire as the situation

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.880
<v Speaker 5>in Ukraine, where Russia is making steady but slow advances,

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:25.639
<v Speaker 5>the last thing you want to be doing is for

0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 5>a Western noble democracy, a key ally of the United States,

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.879
<v Speaker 5>to be seen to be riding any money to the

0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 5>aggress of Russia. So I think that yes, it may

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 5>be a loophole, they may be able to make excuses,

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 5>but the very first thing they should be doing is

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 5>shutting down this loophole as fast as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even putting Ukraine aside. Do you think it's

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<v Speaker 2>concerning that we are so reliant on crude oil from

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 2>a country like Russia that we can't truly trust or

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 2>rely on.

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<v Speaker 5>Why are we buying crude oil from Russia? I don't

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.600
<v Speaker 5>understand that when we have massive energy reserves here in

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 5>Australia that should be exploited for the needs of Australia.

0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:09.120
<v Speaker 5>It is absolutely crazy that we rely on overseas energy reserves,

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 5>be it oil or natural gas or what have you,

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 5>when we are sort of rich in resources in this country.

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 5>I think it is absolutely ridiculous that we are not

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 5>developing our own sovereign resources more deeply so that we

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 5>are self reliant in energy.

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<v Speaker 2>And this comes back, of course to the issue with

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.639
<v Speaker 2>one of the also most dislike ministers in the Albanezy government,

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Chris Bowne. Of course, but this conversation to continue another day.

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<v Speaker 2>Really appreciate your time, Malcolm Davis. Now still to come.

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<v Speaker 2>The unintended consequences of a zempic On personality. A leading

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>psychiatrist would join me on the show later. Plus one

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 2>of Kimberly Kitchen's close friends says she'd be turning in

0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 2>her grave to see the Magnitsky sanctions used by Penny

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Wog in this way against an ally. Michael Dowanby would

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<v Speaker 2>join me after this quick break, welcome back. Well, let's

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<v Speaker 2>return to Pennyong's reprehensible decision to sanction two Israeli ministers today.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel's ambassador to Australia, Emir Maimond, is justifiably outraged by

0:29:12.920 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 2>the move, writing on social media that is deeply concerning

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<v Speaker 2>and entirely unacceptable. And now to discuss I'm joined by

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<v Speaker 2>a human rights lawyer and CEO of the International Legal Forum,

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Arsen Ostrowski. He's Israel, Israeli Australian and also former Foreign

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Affairs and Defense Committee Chair Michael Danby. Welcome to you

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 2>both now, Ar senor in thank you Israel. At the

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 2>moment now, most Israelis wouldn't agree with these controversial politicians.

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<v Speaker 2>But sanctions against a democratic state are surely excessive and unreasonable,

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<v Speaker 2>as I've spoken about it at length earlier tonight.

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<v Speaker 9>Look, you're right, I mean I think the section is

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<v Speaker 9>deeply regrettable and I would say ultimately also will be counterproductive. Australia,

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 9>of course, is entitled turn Act sanctions. The kind of

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 9>sanctions but the kind of sanctions that we saw he

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 9>under the Mcgnitsky Act were intended for individuals from countries

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 9>engaging in human rights abuses and terrorist acts without a

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 9>proper functioning judicial system. That is not the case here

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<v Speaker 9>in Israel.

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<v Speaker 8>Now.

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 9>Banvir and motch are indeed two very polarizing figures with

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 9>the history of provocation, but they are two elected members

0:30:29.040 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 9>of a democratic ally and of the State of Israel.

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<v Speaker 9>And friend of Australia now condemned the two individuals myself

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 9>at the same time. However, it is inexplicable that Australia

0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 9>would sanction these two. However, continue to turn a blind

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 9>dio give a free pass to the Palistine authority, which

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 9>continues to engage in institutional anti Semitism, Holocaust distortion in

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 9>some terr and of course paying salaries of terrorists. Ultimately,

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 9>these sanctions will probably only inflame intentions. They will harden

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 9>the position of the Palestinian authority and strain the already

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 9>difficult relationship between Australia and Israel. So I think what

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 9>is needed here are less performative actions and more principal diplomacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael, as I mentioned before, your good friend, the late

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Kimberly Kitching led the way. She really campaigned for Australia

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>to embrace the use of sanctions under the Magnetski legislation.

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<v Speaker 2>How did she intend for them to be used and

0:31:29.480 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>how do you think she'd feel if she were alive

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 2>to see Penny Wong using them against Israel.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, first of all, let's go to the core of

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 10>this mean girl. Penny Wong made some comments about Kimberly's childlessness,

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:52.360
<v Speaker 10>which in other circumstances would have seen her driven from

0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 10>Australian public life. So she doesn't come to this with

0:31:55.920 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 10>clean hands. Kimberly saw the difference between well authoritarian states

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 10>and democratic states and wanted to give some leverage to

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 10>poor people in China, Run and Russia who have no

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 10>democratic system or the rule of law. If you were

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 10>a big girl, Penny, not just a mean girl, you'd

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 10>be going after the cruel communist commissars in Shinjung and Tibet.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 10>But of course you're a pussy cat with them, and

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 10>you just want to beat up on the smallest democracy.

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>In the Middle East, surrounded by three hundred million people

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>in the various Muslim states.

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Now I first reported and broke that story that Kimberly

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 2>had called them mean girls, and when I reported it

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 2>at the time, I went to the three women for comment.

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>They denied that they were mean girls. Of course, denied

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 2>they'd engaged in any bullying. Although on that story you

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 2>just told Michael, Pennywong did at the time apologize to

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Kimberly Kitching for that comment.

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 10>But only only Shari after it was publicly known. Yes,

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<v Speaker 10>motivation for showing that she was sorry, But she didn't

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 10>say sorry.

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>About calling someone childless when it wasn't known.

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<v Speaker 10>And that's one of the many insults and things about

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 10>Kimberly that Penny Wong should never be forgiven for.

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>And I will never forgive her.

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:18.280
<v Speaker 10>I'm going to hunt it down on these claims until

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 10>she faces up to them.

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:24.000
<v Speaker 2>I should say, she claimed she'd apologize, but there was

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 2>never any proof that she actually had to apologized. But Mike,

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 2>I just want to go to that question how that

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<v Speaker 2>we spoke about earlier today that I quoted you in

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.600
<v Speaker 2>my editorial. How do you think Kimberly Kitchen would feel

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<v Speaker 2>to see Petty Wog misusing the Magninski legislation in this

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<v Speaker 2>way against an ally?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I was recently with Kimber's mother and brother up

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 10>in Brisbane. It's very sad. She'd be mortified that these

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:54.480
<v Speaker 10>people are misusing this legislation, which, interestingly enough, Wong and

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 10>Defat opposed until Amar Clooney gave them all the woke

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 10>signals that a public hearing that led one to cave

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 10>in and support the Magnetski legislation. Kimberly would be mortified

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 10>about this is it was designed to help people who

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 10>were persecuted or who are victims of corruption in Iran,

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 10>Russia and China, not a state whereas Arson explained, you

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 10>know they're publicly criticized every day, Ben Gaver and Smotrich.

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:31.000
<v Speaker 10>The rule of law applies to them. I think they've

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.240
<v Speaker 10>both been criticized by the Knesset and by the courts,

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 10>and I expect the election system to lead to the

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 10>both of them, you know, losing a great deal of

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.879
<v Speaker 10>power at the next elections when that comes next year.

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Asen, let's bring you back here now. Penny One claimed

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.800
<v Speaker 2>today that it's these two Israeli ministers who are the

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:52.279
<v Speaker 2>obstacle to peace and a two state solution. But Arson,

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>that's nonsense, isn't it. Israel Lefgarza handed it to the

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Palestinian authority in two thousand and five. It's not Israel

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 2>that's been the obstacle to peace here, is it.

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.440
<v Speaker 9>No, Look, it's the fifty five hostages that are still

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:08.400
<v Speaker 9>being held captive in Gaza in the most terrific and

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 9>brutal of conditions that are an obstacle to a two

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 9>state solution. It is the Hamas terror group that is

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 9>an obstacle and genericiital organizations one to Israel's instruction that

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 9>has said that they would repeat October seven again and

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 9>again I quote until Israel is annihilated. They are an obstacle.

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 9>The Palastin Authority, where President Mahmuda bus is in the

0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:32.320
<v Speaker 9>twenty first year of his four year term, which continues

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 9>to reward terrorists and murderers with salaries, and has institutionalized

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.839
<v Speaker 9>the insimon anti Semitism, Jew hatred in their school books,

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:43.240
<v Speaker 9>in the curriculm, in their media. They are an obstacle

0:35:43.719 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 9>for peace. Israel has shown time and time again that

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 9>it is willing to make the most painful compromises for peace.

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 9>We have shined that with multiple Peace Officer of the PA,

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 9>which the Bus himself has rejected, and we have shown

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 9>so in the last year and a half and so

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.800
<v Speaker 9>of the war where Israel has made the most incomprehensibly difficult,

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 9>painful concessions in order to rescue the hostages, to have

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 9>a ceasefire, but which Hamas has repeatedly rejected. The one constant, however,

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 9>your respective of which Israeli ministers in power has said,

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 9>what is ultimately Palestinian terrorism in transigence and rejectionism, which

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 9>is only emboldened and empowered by these kinds of actions

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 9>and sanctions that we've seen in the last two days.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, just picking up on that theme of a cease fire,

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, these sanctions don't help achieve peace or a

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 2>ceasefire one that the United States is trying to broker

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>at all, or to bring the hostages home, do they.

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<v Speaker 10>Michael, if we were to leave virtue signaling in student

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 10>politics behind us, Penny Wong and Elbow, you'd be asking

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:52.839
<v Speaker 10>why even the weak US negotiated whit Cough has denounced

0:36:52.920 --> 0:37:00.839
<v Speaker 10>Hamas for refusing the latest American ceasefires, which has us

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 10>and explained is a very generous letting out thousands of

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 10>Palestinian convicted prisoners to get ten.

0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Hostages back and a lot of dead bodies.

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:15.440
<v Speaker 10>If we weren't playing student politics, Penny one, why haven't

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 10>you said anything about the fact that there's a second

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 10>Chinese carrier that's broken out into the Pacific. This is

0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 10>what adults would be talking about, not this student politics

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 10>slapping down two unpopular Israeli ministers.

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.280
<v Speaker 1>It's childish, it's infantile.

0:37:31.840 --> 0:37:33.959
<v Speaker 10>And I hope Rubio and Trump give you a big

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 10>slap down when elbow gets over there.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to point out two things. One is

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 2>that Michael Danby, you're a labor figure for life. You

0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 2>know this is a labor figure who's so angry about this.

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 2>You were part of the labor team that is now

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 2>in government. I also want to point out, Michael, that

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 2>you did use a bit of strong language there when

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 2>you say, you know, slap them down, and when you

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 2>say hunt them down, that's of course metaphorically speaking, as

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I know you mean it metaphorically speaks.

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 8>It is.

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, our sent Michael Danby, thank you both

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:09.240
<v Speaker 2>very much for your time. Now still to come as zimpig,

0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 2>is it really what the doctor ordered? I'll speak to

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 2>a medical professional who's concerned it's turning users into personality zombies.

0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 2>And we turn to Hollywood, where all the best dramas

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 2>are made, just not always on purpose. The fallout from

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the Blake Lively legal stash with Liz Burk next Welcome back. Well,

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 2>because the news has been so depressing, I wanted to

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:37.120
<v Speaker 2>turn to something a little bit lighter. The legal battle

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 2>between Hollywood actors Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively, and this

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 2>all stems from the movie It ends with us now.

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Blake Lively sue Justin Baldoni and his production company in December,

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 2>accusing him or them of sexual harassment and intimidation. Baldoni

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>then countersuit Lively and her husband Ryan Reynolds for over

0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 2>six hundred million Australian dollars, claiming that the couple had

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 2>engaged in a smear campaign against him. Or to discuss

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.879
<v Speaker 2>Let's bringing now the deputy editor of News dot com

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 2>dot Au, Liz Burke, Liz, so great to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me. One of the things that really

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 2>struck me about this case, and I was completely outraged

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 2>by it, was when The New York Times published the

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 2>story showing that Baldoni had hired publicists to deliberately smear

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:28.839
<v Speaker 2>Blake Lively, including on social media.

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:32.280
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it's a really there's so much to this story,

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 11>there's so many angles, there's lawsuits flying all over the place.

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.880
<v Speaker 11>But I think that is the real crux of it,

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:41.040
<v Speaker 11>that's the real outrage. So it kind of all started

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 11>the movie that the pair start in Blake Lively and

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:49.280
<v Speaker 11>Justin Baldoni. It came out in August last year, big movie,

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 11>big adaptation of a big book, big budget. But it

0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 11>all kind of started to go awry during the press

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 11>tour when it was noticed that the two stars weren't

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:00.839
<v Speaker 11>speaking to each other, or they weren't side by side

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 11>on the red carpet, they weren't doing interviews together. The

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 11>tone had very much changed around, you know, around the

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 11>press of the movie, and Blake Lively was being absolutely

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 11>slammed in you know, im press articles in social media,

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:20.440
<v Speaker 11>and she was criticized for her you know, approach to

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:22.840
<v Speaker 11>some of those interviews. This movie deals with some pretty

0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 11>heavy subject matter. It's about an abusive relationship, domestic violence exactly,

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 11>and she was criticized for you know, answering some of

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 11>questions about that issue in her interview, saying that. You know,

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 11>people were saying that she was flippant about it, even callous,

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.719
<v Speaker 11>you know, avoiding the topic or even making light of

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 11>the topic of you know, intimate partner violence.

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:44.640
<v Speaker 2>But I think just the.

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 11>Strength of the criticism on social media of her it

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 11>went beyond that issue. It was about her appearance, it

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 11>was about her relationship.

0:40:53.160 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, when she old interviews were dredged up where

0:40:57.120 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 2>she said inappropriate comments that no one yeah, able to find.

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 11>There was a reporter that came out that just said,

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 11>I want to share the interview that with Blake Lively

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 11>that made me what, I quit my job that was

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 11>years old or something like that. But yeah, and then

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 11>she eventually, you know, dropped this bomb, filed this lawsuit

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 11>alleging that Justin Baldoni had sexually harassed her, created a

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 11>toxic environment on the set. And also in that was

0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 11>claims that he had hired a public relations firm to

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:33.240
<v Speaker 11>orchestrate this campaign against her in anticipation of those claims

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 11>coming out.

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 2>It's scary how well it worked. And then the news

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 2>while we're talking about it now, is this week in

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the United States, a district court judge dismissed Baldoni's lawsuit

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 2>his countersuit, the judge said, because allegations made in a

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 2>lawsuit can't be libeless. Now, I want to turn or

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<v Speaker 2>show you some other footage that I just couldn't stop watching.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a video of Megan Markle and Harry dancing while

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<v Speaker 2>trying to induce labor in but all have a look.

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<v Speaker 12>And down capt jacket Dan Dawn jacket, Dam Dawn Up

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<v Speaker 12>chap baby, Mamma went up, sit down the pack trying

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<v Speaker 12>to make the money back some hoggies from thesell f

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<v Speaker 12>to defeat.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes on for match long. To look it up,

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<v Speaker 2>watch all of it now. Bizarrely, this wasn't some secret

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:23.160
<v Speaker 2>camera that captured it. They shared this themselves, despite the

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:28.399
<v Speaker 2>fact they constantly claimed that they want privacy list. They've

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<v Speaker 2>shared this most intimate videos, which is kind of embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would they want that out there?

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, and why would you make me watch that again?

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<v Speaker 11>I remember waking up to this the other morning when

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<v Speaker 11>I opened when I looked at my phone, when I

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<v Speaker 11>opened Instagram, it was the first thing on my feed,

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<v Speaker 11>and I just.

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<v Speaker 2>I cringed so hard. And that was even when I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was fake.

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<v Speaker 11>It's just such a bizarre thing to share that I

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<v Speaker 11>was thinking, is this AI, Is this some kind of

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 11>old footage where I don't know, it was just so so.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was just so strengthing their daughter's fourth birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, so they did what would be going No, I know,

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<v Speaker 11>imagine in you know, four years time and fourteen years time,

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<v Speaker 11>she's going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Be so embarrassed.

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<v Speaker 11>But yeah, it's just it really doesn't gel with this

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<v Speaker 11>message that they put out there that they want privacy,

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<v Speaker 11>that they don't want to be part of the royal family.

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<v Speaker 11>Then they go on this Instagram blitz sharing all they

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<v Speaker 11>say that they don't they want to protect their children,

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<v Speaker 11>and then they you know, share family photos of their

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:25.360
<v Speaker 11>children going to Disneyland. I think these are just some

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 11>very very confused people who they say they don't want

0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.360
<v Speaker 11>to be famous, but they don't really seem to know

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<v Speaker 11>what else to do other than to put themselves out

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<v Speaker 11>there and be famous people.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, a lot of good fighter for news dot com

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<v Speaker 2>dead Au. It's good fun. Thanks so much, Liz, appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>thanks Ry. Now coming up next, what do doctors really

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<v Speaker 2>think about the concerns surrounding a zampic? Can it really

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<v Speaker 2>turn users into personality zombies. We'll discuss that next Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, a zampik is the latest wonder drug.

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<v Speaker 2>Originally designed to treat diabetes, it's fast become the most

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<v Speaker 2>popular way to lose weight. As I discussed with author

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:09.960
<v Speaker 2>and journalist Roz Thomas last week, weight isn't the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing some users are losing.

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<v Speaker 13>What we've discovered is that these samaglatide is now able

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<v Speaker 13>to turn off desires for all kinds of things. And

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<v Speaker 13>what you get then is that we are the product

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<v Speaker 13>of our desires. So you take away your love of baking, cooking, exercising,

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<v Speaker 13>and you do change your personality. And so what we're

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<v Speaker 13>finding is that we're having a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 13>are losing weight very very quickly, but they're losing a

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<v Speaker 13>lot of the enjoyment in life because they're suffering from

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<v Speaker 13>what psychiatrists called anhedonia, which is a loss of pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, one of the health professionals Roz spoke to when

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<v Speaker 2>she wrote her cover story for the Weekend Australian magazine

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<v Speaker 2>was psychiatrist doctor Sally Kelderman, who joins me now, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for your time. Welcome to the show. So can

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<v Speaker 2>you explain to us what drugs like as zampig due

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<v Speaker 2>to the brain. That would mean that someone can change personality.

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<v Speaker 14>We have, well, the current state of scientific thinking is

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<v Speaker 14>that we have glucagon like peptide receptors in our brains

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<v Speaker 14>naturally occurring. A zenpic works to enhance the effect of

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<v Speaker 14>naturally occurring glucagon like peptide and that is intricately involved

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<v Speaker 14>in the experience of desire.

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<v Speaker 1>And reward.

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<v Speaker 14>In such a way that it dampens our desire or

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:45.919
<v Speaker 14>craving and dampens our sense of rewards. So a young

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:51.400
<v Speaker 14>a person who is using a zenpick may experience a

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<v Speaker 14>loss of a loss of the desire to do the

0:45:56.440 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 14>things that they would normally enjoy and then just food,

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<v Speaker 14>But it could be for the pleasure in their life.

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<v Speaker 2>Other pleasure in their life, whether it's exercise or hobbies.

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<v Speaker 2>Drinking is one of the things that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people report that they lose their addiction to alcohol or cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that for the same reason, Yes, And.

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<v Speaker 14>That's one of the fantastic unexpected effects of a zenpic

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<v Speaker 14>For people who are struggling with substance abuse, that could

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<v Speaker 14>be really, really helpful.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, do you see people that you treat

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 2>that their personalities are changing, or it's just that their

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 2>lifestyle is changing because they don't enjoy things as much

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<v Speaker 2>as they once did.

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<v Speaker 14>I think it's clear from what people are describing that

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<v Speaker 14>they're actually experienced. For some people are experiencing less pleasure.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm sure you saw the story of Missus Silbert in

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<v Speaker 14>Ross's article where she'd lost her experience of joy in

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<v Speaker 14>fine dining and find wine, which was a major pleasure

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<v Speaker 14>in her relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Are there any other consequences that people need to consider

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<v Speaker 2>if they are considering some of these weight loss drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there are all the craze at the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>people see celebrities and just people they know in normal

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 2>life are suddenly becoming very thin. You know, it seems

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 2>like an easy solution, a quick fix. Weight loss is

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<v Speaker 2>so difficult. So are there any other side effects that

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<v Speaker 2>you think people need to be aware of?

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<v Speaker 14>My perspective is very psychiatric, So a lot of people

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<v Speaker 14>who struggle with their weight or substance abuse are sad

0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 14>and unmotivated for many complex reasons. And if we're going

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 14>to find people losing their sense of pleasure, we do

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<v Speaker 14>need to watch out to see whether they're losing their

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<v Speaker 14>desire to live. And so I'm expectors expecting doctors will

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<v Speaker 14>be asking people in the EZEMPIC receiving population whether they

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<v Speaker 14>have any pre existing depression or thought of self harm

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<v Speaker 14>in any way. That's kind of I think the main

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<v Speaker 14>potential downside.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, doctor Keldman, appreciate your time tonight. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much, and of course, if you have any questions

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<v Speaker 2>about taking these weight loss drugs, speak to a GP

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<v Speaker 2>and a medical professional.

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<v Speaker 8>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for your company today. I'll see

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<v Speaker 2>you tomorrow at eight o'clock. And right now, here's Paul

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<v Speaker 2>Murray