1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Good team. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 2: I hope you're bloody terrific. Welcome to another installment of 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: the You Project. It's Harps and what's your middle name? Coops? 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 3: Is it? 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: What is it? 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 3: Well? 7 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 4: If you were addressed me formally, Harps, it would be 8 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 4: Jacqueline and Cooper. 9 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: I thought it was Anne. I thought it was Jacqueline 10 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: and Cooper. Five time Olympian, five time World champion, Woman 11 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: about town, business woman, keynote speaker, highly paid, way much 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: more dough than me. She cosper hour you could have 13 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: about ten hours with me and one for her, because 14 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 2: she's a big deal. 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 3: What I said, because I'm better? 16 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, well, no doubt. I mean that wasn't even 17 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 2: in question. Oh that's why they paid the big bucks. 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 2: So you've got nowhere to go now. I didn't argue 19 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: with you. How you fucked? An't you? 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: Yep? I'm embarrassed. 21 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you are. You are a big deal. But 22 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: despite the fact that you do take the piss out 23 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: of me, which is because we've been friends for four 24 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: hundred years, you are very good at what you do. 25 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Youth Project. You're the busiest woman 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: in Australia. What's going on with you? There's a few 27 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 2: things we can't discuss, but might one of them might 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: become apparent in a week or so. We need to 29 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: be evasive and somewhat mystical. No's that's not the right word, 30 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: but anyway, there might be something that the public might 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: become aware of mystical. 32 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: I like, yeah, so end of last year, I went 33 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 4: away and did something pretty exciting. I wouldn't say it 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: was a bucket list thing for me to do, but 35 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 4: once I got offered the opportunity, I was like, Okay, 36 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: this sort of kicks all of my boxes. I want 37 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 4: to go and do it. 38 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: And in the next. 39 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: Couple of weeks we'll be able to actually announce what 40 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: it was, where I was, who I was with, and 41 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 4: why I was doing it. So it's going to be 42 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 4: a lot of fun. I'm excited to see it. 43 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: All may Yeah, that'll do. That'll do. 44 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: Hey. 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: You know, when you're when you've got a profile and 46 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: you're you or like you that is well known and 47 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: you know, five times Olympian all that stuff, five times 48 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: World champion, you get offered lots of things from you know, 49 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: different opportunities. Some of them are not really opportunities, they're 50 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: kind of dressed up as an opportunity. But when you 51 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: get into it and I get asked a few things 52 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: as well, which on the surface it's like, we've got 53 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: an opportunity for you, and then you go, no, this 54 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: is actually an opportunity for you, not me. But what's 55 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: the weirdest thing, the weirdest opportunity in inverted commas that 56 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: you've been presented with, like whether or not it's working 57 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: with a company or doing a weird gig, or some 58 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: kind of sponsorship or some kind of alignment or relationship 59 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: where you got into it and you went, this is 60 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: actually bullshit. 61 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 4: Well it's it wasn't even a sponsorship. I guess it 62 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 4: was a request where they thought it would be I mean, 63 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 4: money would be changing hands. But when an Australian, as 64 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 4: someone that lives in Australia heard that I was going 65 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 4: through IVF, they offered to buy my eggs because of 66 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 4: the potential DNA. 67 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: Wow, so yeah. 68 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy. 69 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 4: They thought, well five time, limping, good jeans, nice muscular 70 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 4: and they said, if you've got spare either embryos, which 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 4: is obviously with my husband, come together, ready to go, 72 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 4: or just my eggs. And they said, yeah, they slid 73 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 4: into my DMS then asked if that would be an 74 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 4: opportunity that I'd like to seek and I'd be rewarded 75 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 4: for it. I was like, oh my gosh, imagine if 76 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 4: I did that, I'd have fibblings of my children, like 77 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 4: their potential brothers and sisters are wandering around. 78 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: That's a big no. So you do get to them. 79 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: How many minutes did you consider that for? I was like, 80 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: don't lie, block, block, no, not okay, hang on a 81 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: million dollars. They offer you a million dollars for one 82 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: of your eggs. A million. 83 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 4: Now we've still got one in a freezer. And it 84 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 4: was talked about in a book that I wrote about 85 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 4: my IVF journey, and that's why it's sparked an interest 86 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 4: in somebody, like you've got one in the freezer because 87 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 4: the IVF. I guess it's always that conundrum at the end, 88 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 4: when you are lucky enough to have a family like 89 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 4: Mario and I and you do have spare embryos like that. 90 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: What do you do? 91 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: What do you do when you know that your family's complete? 92 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: You can either donate it to science. You can obviously 93 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: just discard it. And the other one is that you 94 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 4: can put it into like an embryo bank and it 95 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 4: can go out there. And this person thought, well, we're 96 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 4: not going to wait for it to go into a bank. 97 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 4: We're going to offer you an opportunity. 98 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: Just from reading my book. 99 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, it's we call it the frosty. It's 100 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 4: still in the freezer. It's been there for nine years. 101 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: It's it's staying there. 102 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: How long is I know, you know, clearly I'm an 103 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: IVF researcher. How long is the embryo viable? I think 104 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: is the medical term? 105 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 4: Oh so I think that. Well, they send out reminder 106 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 4: letters every couple of years because you have to pay 107 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: storage fees at the facility where they're being kept. So 108 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 4: there's a couple of years that goes by, you know, minor, 109 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 4: do you still want to pay the rental, you know, the. 110 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: Storage this potential human that we've got here. 111 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 4: So I think after ten years they really get you 112 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 4: to decide. Like I turned fifty in January, the frosty 113 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: is never ever going to be thawed for us, So 114 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 4: that I'll probably send out another email saying what is 115 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 4: it that you'd like to do with that? So for 116 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 4: us as a family, we still haven't even discussed that 117 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 4: because I'm like, that's Mario, that's me, that's together. But 118 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 4: it's something that gets talked about, and I'll probably get 119 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 4: a lot of people after me now listening to this 120 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: saying why wouldn't you donate it? 121 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you give it to a couple? 122 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 4: But when it comes to IVF and donor embryos, there's 123 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 4: a lot of laws that haven't been really locked down. 124 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 4: So it is the same as adoption, so that that 125 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 4: embryo can come back and find you. So I don't 126 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 4: think we're a bad family to find, but you know, 127 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 4: it's something that I probably wouldn't want for my family. 128 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 4: We feel like our family is complete the way it is. 129 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: But it's that question that I still don't even know 130 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: how to answer, to do the right thing by that embryo. 131 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: But also, like, you know, what I'm about to say 132 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: is almost ironic because we are talking about it publicly, 133 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: But then what you do or don't do with that 134 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: embryo is really nobody else's business. Like it doesn't impact 135 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: anyone else unless they make it, you know what I mean. 136 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 2: It's like, it's not it's a completely private decision and issue. 137 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. It is. It's our business. 138 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 4: It's got nothing to do with anybody else. But the 139 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: word impact is a big one, Craig, because whilst it 140 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: doesn't we feel like it doesn't impact them, it could 141 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 4: impact them and that's what they think. They think this 142 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 4: is something that could impact us. We actually have that 143 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 4: family that you're written about, that you dreamed about, that 144 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 4: you've now got and you're going to flush an embryo. 145 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 4: So it's a really tricky thing. 146 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 3: I don't know. 147 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: Did you see them the series that I've been out 148 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: on Channel nine moment called Big Miracles. 149 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: I've seen it, No, I have not. I know that 150 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: it's on, I'm aware of it, but I have not 151 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: watched it. Did you. 152 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've been watching parts of it because we 153 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 4: were that couple, we were trying to have a family. 154 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 4: It's about IVF and every single person's journey. 155 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: Is completely different. 156 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: Some happen to get pregnant the first go, and they've 157 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 4: saved all their money to obviously try for an IVF cycle, 158 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 4: and some are years and years and years down the track, 159 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 4: which is obviously years of heartache and hope and lost hope, 160 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 4: and then obviously think that maybe you're going to get 161 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 4: that child again, and then there's loss. 162 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: If there's miscarriage. 163 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 4: So there's so much emotion when it comes into having 164 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: a baby, and if you're not there yet and you 165 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 4: haven't had one, I know what that was like. So 166 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 4: I yearned for something so much. Who knows, maybe I 167 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 4: would message someone in Instagram saying that embryo, do you 168 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 4: want to have that? So I understand it's desperations is 169 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: too much of a hard word, but at that point 170 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: you'll try anything to try and get a family that 171 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 4: you feel like you deserve and rightly. 172 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know very much. But what don't 173 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: Is there something that people who've never been through if 174 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: or never even IVF will never even open the door 175 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 2: to think about it or explore it or research it. 176 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: Is there something that would shock people like that, somebody 177 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: like me who doesn't know much that I would never 178 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 2: have thought about or I wouldn't get about the process 179 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: or going through it. 180 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 4: Well, I'll quickly give you a couple of things. So 181 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: it's around about ten thousand dollars per cycle, so that's 182 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: obviously a female's monthly cycle. So if you don't get 183 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 4: pregnant the first time, then it might not be ten thousand, 184 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 4: and then next it depends on how many eggs were 185 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 4: hard harvested, so a ten thousand dollars cycle. If you qualify, 186 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 4: if you're deemed infertile, then Medicare will step in and 187 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 4: you're welcome for a rebate. Not everyone gets a rebate 188 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 4: if you're socially it's a social decision if you want 189 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 4: to try IVF because you want to freeze your eggs, 190 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 4: or I'm not too sure about same sex now that 191 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 4: same sex marriages are legal in Australia, but back when 192 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: I was doing IVF, if you're a same sex couple, 193 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: you wouldn't get the rebate because they had said that 194 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 4: was a social choice, which is just nuts, right, trying 195 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 4: to have baby, trying to have a baby. So it's 196 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 4: around ten thousand dollars, and that's where you start injecting 197 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 4: yourself for a week or so to try and grow 198 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 4: the embryos that you can't actually do yourself. And when 199 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 4: they're about twenty mils, so about two centimeters the follicle itself, 200 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: they book you into hospital. Your husband or your partner 201 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 4: or your donor goes into supplies a sperm sample close 202 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 4: by the hospital, not like in a dodgy place, but 203 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 4: actually in a proper facility where they can keep that 204 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 4: sperm warm all of the eggs that they've retrieved. Sometimes 205 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 4: you might get one, sometimes you'll get none, and you'll 206 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 4: get maybe ten. 207 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: It depends. 208 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 4: They match the sperm and the eggs together and they'll 209 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 4: call you back to the next day with a fertilization update. 210 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 4: So you may have gotten ten eggs, but match with 211 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 4: the sperm, nothing fertilized, So that is absolutely heartbreaking. You've 212 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 4: had surgery, you've gone through a couple of weeks, you've 213 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 4: spent ten grand, and like, hey, nothing fertilized. So you 214 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 4: can have another process called IXY where they actually inject 215 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 4: the sperm into the egg. That gives you a higher 216 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 4: rated success, but it's more expensive. So now it's like 217 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 4: the plus plus IVF is ten grand plus plus. You 218 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: want to do IXY, that's plus another two thousand. You 219 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 4: want to take the embryodo of five days in a 220 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 4: lab being watched twenty four to seven by an embryologist, 221 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: plus plus plus, So it gets very very expensive. So 222 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 4: you can see why the pressure and the stress of 223 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 4: trying to make it work for a cycle because for 224 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 4: a lot of Australians. 225 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 3: Is just too much. It's just too much. 226 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: It's prohibitive, isn't it? Speaking of all things? You know, bodies, 227 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: you are? You just turned fifty. Okay, hang on, you 228 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: just turned fifty. You don't look at you don't look 229 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: at you look you look a good forty. But you 230 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: retired from competition at thirty three? Am I correct? 231 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: Thirty seven? 232 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: Thirty seven? Oh that's right, because when we reconnected it 233 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: was thirteen years that you had Okay, So you and 234 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 2: I used to do some work together. I used to 235 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: train you and do some of your conditioning stuff back 236 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: in the day when you were jumping off ramps and 237 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: twisting and turning and periodically landing. 238 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 4: Mostly landing percentage was only twenty percent. Say again, my 239 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: landing percentage over my entire career was twenty percent. 240 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: How does that compare. 241 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: Well, that's like showing up every day to work knowing 242 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 4: that eighty percent of your day is going to be 243 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 4: a shit show. 244 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: That's true. 245 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 4: In the very beginning, I landed nothing. I landed nothing 246 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 4: for years and years and years, and then I started 247 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 4: landing one every now and again, and then I started 248 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 4: landing a couple and then by the end of twenty years, 249 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 4: I was landing more than I crashed. But I kept 250 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 4: a log book, and people think that's kind of crazy. 251 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 4: But during COVID, I got out all of my logbooks 252 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 4: and put it into a spreadsheet, as you do, and 253 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 4: I wanted to work out my landing percentage, and it 254 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 4: was only twenty percent. And people ask me all the time, 255 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, why, I know, if would you keep going 256 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 4: knowing that it is going to be a hard day 257 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 4: eighty percent of a hard day wiping snow out of 258 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 4: your ears and landing on your face and having to 259 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 4: like brush off the snow and start again, and knowing 260 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: that you're going to go up there and got an 261 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 4: eighty percent chance of crashing failing, just all of it. 262 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 4: And I said, that's where I actually learned the most. 263 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 4: Craig was learning how to do better, how to change 264 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 4: what I was doing, reinvented a little bit, deconstructed work 265 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 4: with my coach, processes feedback better, because when you're an 266 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 4: aerial scare and you do land, it's such a shocking thing. 267 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 4: The coach is like, oh great, do that again. No 268 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 4: real usable feedback in do that again. But where the 269 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 4: feedback and all the work came in was actually on 270 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 4: the eighty percent where we had to try and fix it. 271 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 4: Why'n stoe landing. We've got to get you to land 272 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 4: What do we need to do to make that happen? 273 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 4: Because if you're not landing, you're getting injured. So, yes, 274 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 4: aerial skiing, I crashed more than I landed. And that 275 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 4: was a career of twenty years and I retired thirteen 276 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 4: years ago from that crazy merry go around. 277 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 2: And one of the byproducts of landing twenty percent of 278 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: the time and not eighty percent of the time is 279 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: thirty three operations or something. 280 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I had twenty five surgeries during my active careers, 281 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 4: just small scopes, scoping the knee a few times, scooping 282 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 4: ntannie a few times. I'll be reconstruction, shoulder, reconstruction, new reconstruction. 283 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 4: Broke my hip, dislocated, it broke my face. So during 284 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 4: the active career there was twenty five surgeries and I've 285 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 4: had about seven since and sort of like the cleanup 286 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: to try and get you back to how you were 287 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 4: before you started the sport, and one included a total 288 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 4: hip replacement less than a year ago. 289 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: WOASA wowsa. And so you and I reconnected because of 290 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: this mysterious thing that we can't talk about. Well more 291 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: than that, we caught up, and now we've been catching 292 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 2: up and I'm clearly your best friend in the world. Thanks. 293 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: How has it been getting back into training, because you 294 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: not that you did nothing for thirteen years, but you 295 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: didn't really train per se although you're very active and 296 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: busy and still was on skeeze a fair bit, but 297 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 2: in terms of being in a gym and working out 298 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: with a focus to build strength and achieve a few 299 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: things physically, you weren't really doing that. And then I 300 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: guess six months ago you started training again, give or take. 301 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: How has your body changed? And are you hating it? 302 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: Are you loving it? Are you glad you got back 303 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: into it? Or is it just opened another door and 304 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: that weird brainer yours? 305 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: It's all of them. 306 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 4: I think I sort of hate it now because I'm 307 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 4: back to feeling that guilty if you don't go to 308 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 4: the gym, where I sort of gave up on myself, 309 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 4: so I didn't have that bit saying, oh I get 310 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 4: to the gym, get to the gym. I just didn't 311 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 4: even think about getting the gym, so there wasn't that 312 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 4: internal sort of wrestle that you have every day with 313 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 4: I've got to get to the gym. 314 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: Do I want to go to the gym. I'm in 315 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 3: the car back door. I want to go to the gym. 316 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 4: I don't want to go subway, you know so, But 317 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 4: I absolutely love it. I feel like that I've woken up. 318 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 4: My body was so broken after what it did for 319 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 4: twenty years. Then after my hip dislocation, I spent thirteen 320 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 4: years cutting the back out of my sneakers so where 321 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 4: your heel fits, I cut them so that they could 322 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 4: just I could just slide into my sneakers so they 323 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 4: almost look like wearable slippers. I couldn't bend down and 324 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 4: do it my shoelacers. I couldn't really organize a shoehorn. 325 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 4: That's how stuffed up my knee joint. My hip joint 326 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: was so because the hip was so bad, my knee 327 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 4: was so bad. So I didn't go to the gym 328 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 4: because even just walking to pick up the kids from 329 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 4: school pickup meant that I was in so much pain 330 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 4: at the end of the day that I'd have to 331 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 4: sort of build a nest in the bed to fall 332 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 4: asleep comfortably, and then I had to take all these 333 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 4: different medications to keep the pain under control, the inflammation 334 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 4: under control. So having a hip replacement was wonderful, but 335 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 4: then us getting back together again. It's honestly, I sort 336 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 4: of thrown myself back into that athlete mode and my 337 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 4: body didn't take long to respond at all. I mean, 338 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 4: you could probably talk to that better than me. But 339 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 4: you know, I went from being a mum of thirteen 340 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 4: years doing nothing in the gym to walking in there 341 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 4: now and I look at myself in the mirror and 342 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 4: there's parts of me that look very athletic still. So 343 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 4: I'm proud of how my body you responded. I'm proud 344 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 4: of how the shape that it's taken on. I love 345 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 4: that I'm fifty and I've got a pretty good six pack. 346 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 4: So there's a lot to like about working hard, and 347 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 4: I'm honestly, I'm so grateful Craig. It's it's been the 348 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 4: best place to reunite. 349 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean we do take the piece a 350 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: little bit, but I will say people who train a 351 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: bit will understand this, and for those that don't, I'll 352 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: try and put it in context. But so I introduced 353 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 2: you to They're called different things, but basically a revolving 354 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 2: staircase StairMaster. They're called different things by different companies, but 355 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: so I introduced Jackie to this thing called a revolving staircase, 356 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: which is fucking horrible. And it goes from level one, 357 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 2: which is very slow, up to level sixteen, which is 358 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: essentially running. And to give you an idea, like, I'm 359 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: not unfit. I don't do heaps of cardio, but if 360 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: I had to go out run five kilometers now I 361 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: could with not too much problem. I'm eighty four kilos, 362 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: I'm quite lean. I do way more weights than cardia. 363 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: But don't smoke, don't drink. My default setting, it's pretty fit. 364 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 2: But I remember jumping on the not that long ago. 365 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: I jumped on the old revolving staircase. I did fifteen 366 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: hundred steps and I nelly died. I haven't told you this, Cooper. 367 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: I did fifteen hundred. I call it Cooper. I did 368 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: fifteen hundred steps and I Nelly died. Now your second workout, 369 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: I think, after thirteen years of no training, you did 370 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: five thousand, and you did all of them faster, at 371 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 2: a faster rate. So like level ten, level twelve and 372 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: I plot at level six, level eight, and I was 373 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: just looking at you and that there's something weird about you, 374 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: and because you're I mean, firstly, you weren't unfit, but 375 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 2: you hadn't trained. Like you're just busy and active, and 376 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: you walk a lot, and you move a lot, and 377 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 2: you've got kids, and you've got sport, and you've got school, 378 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: and you've got in and out of planes and cars, 379 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: and you've got speaking gigs and you're always probably walk 380 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: thirty thousand steps a day. I reckon, But you hadn't 381 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: been training, and I was watching you on this thing. 382 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 2: I was looking at your face. I'm like, she is 383 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: in the best possible way. She's a fucking weirdo. I 384 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: was just looking at you and you were like, I'm 385 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: not letting this thing beat me. I mean, it was 386 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: just day two of training after thirteen years off, and 387 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: you would think that it was a gold medal that 388 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: you were vying for. You hate giving up, and you 389 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: hate you hate like you almost can't work at If 390 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 2: I go I want you to work at six out 391 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 2: of ten, You're like, nah, get fucked, I can't is 392 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: spot on. 393 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 4: I feel like I have to beat the machine. Then 394 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 4: I feel like I've had a victory for myself. Competitive people. 395 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 4: You can't turn it off, even though it was aerial skiing. 396 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: You can move that drive to something else. 397 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 4: And honestly, it was almost like you, I don't know, 398 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 4: let the tiger out of a cage or something. 399 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: I'm not too sure what happened. 400 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 4: But when you introduce me to that bloody stam master, 401 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 4: because it is tricky and it is difficult. 402 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: And it's so hard to actually. 403 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 4: Get good at, I thought, I'm fucking sort this thing 404 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 4: out on day two, and now I can take phone 405 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 4: calls at like a level six, level seven, at level 406 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 4: ten on board because it's too slow at. 407 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: Twelve, I'm sort of moving along. 408 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 4: And that competitive thing too, is like, oh, let's try 409 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 4: and stay it for half an hour at thirteen or fourteen, 410 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 4: and I want to try and beat last week's steps, 411 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 4: and I photograph what I've done just so I can 412 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 4: beat last week. 413 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: I know, I get the photos sent to me. 414 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: I know I've absolutely loved it though, So it is great. 415 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 4: And you know, whether it was the hip replacement, the 416 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 4: thing that we can't talk about coming out, you and 417 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 4: I connecting again, I feel like as a fifty year old. 418 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 4: If I had said to myself thirteen years ago, as 419 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 4: a retiring athlete, in the best form of my life, 420 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 4: just retiring from Olympic Games, I hope I can look 421 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 4: like ABC and D when I'm fifty. 422 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm there. 423 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 2: Craig, Yeah, you are well. You don't look your age 424 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: at all. In your face, you don't look your age. 425 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: You look I reckon early forties. But your body you 426 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: look like an athlete again. Like you lean, you're strong, 427 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 2: you've got muscle, you've got definition and and you know, 428 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 2: some of that's genetics, but a lot of that is 429 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: just hard work. But I think the thing that people don't, 430 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: you know, we kind of understand. We know there's a 431 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: relationship between the mind and the body and the emotions, 432 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 2: and you know just how we experience life based on 433 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: those three variables. But I don't think we genuinely understand 434 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: how great exercise is for your mind and for your 435 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: emotions and for your happiness and for creating the right 436 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: brain chemistry. You know, dopamine and you know, just the 437 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 2: stuff that makes you feel good right, and then you 438 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: do their workout and not only have you done a 439 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: great thing, physiologically for your body, but also mentally and emotionally. 440 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: You feel good for the rest of the day because 441 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: you've ticked this big box. 442 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 4: Well that's right, so you're ticking that big box. But 443 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 4: if you can manage to go with a bunch of 444 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 4: friends like we all meet up, it's also that social 445 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 4: connection as well. So I sort of feel like there's four, five, six, 446 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 4: seven boxes that I'm kicking just by going with you. 447 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 4: So I'm getting all of that, and I'm also having 448 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 4: a social outlet away from the school mum to pick 449 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 4: up the drop off the work side being at home, 450 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 4: and it's just like there's another part of me now 451 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 4: and there's a friendship. 452 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 3: Group that I think. 453 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 4: It's like going to like the new pub, you know, 454 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 4: we're going to go or a cafe. We go there, 455 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 4: hang out, get a workout done, connect with each other, 456 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 4: check in with each other, and you drive away you chitch. 457 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: Feel good. 458 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: Well when you think about it. So what Jackie's talking 459 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: about everyone is there's a bunch of people that I 460 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: kind of help and a few friends. And one is 461 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: Johnny that you know that got blown up in the 462 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: gas bottle accidents, and another one is the crab that 463 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: you've heard about, who literally died at the gym for 464 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: seventeen minutes, and his daughter Jamie, who's a freak, and 465 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: you know Chris and i'd Coat and friends of mine 466 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: who who have just gotten on board, and there's just 467 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: this eclectic mix of humans and like in normal life, 468 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: in whatever that means, we would never intersect. Like everybody 469 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: is so different, so wildly different, and big Christian everybody's 470 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: so different. But in that place, there are no differences. 471 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: Everybody's just there for the same reason to have a 472 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: good time, to lift some weights, to do something good 473 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: for their body. And it's kind of the great equalizer 474 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: I think in some ways working out together. 475 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 4: Well, yes, I agree. And by the way, you actually 476 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 4: call us the merry band and misfits. Okay, so it 477 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 4: doesn't say the eclctic group of humans, it's the misfits. Hey, 478 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 4: I'm getting the misfits together. 479 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: Do you want to come? 480 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 4: I'm like, right, Okay, I've been labeled, but I'm happy 481 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 4: to be labeled. You're right, we would never have intersected. 482 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 4: But wow, what I've learnt by Johnny and he's resilience 483 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 4: to be there and to show up and everyone will 484 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 4: drop there waits to help him out because he's just 485 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 4: such a fighter and just the whole group and it 486 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: isn't equal because whilst I've been to five Olympic Games 487 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 4: and one, you know, five world titles, you look at 488 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 4: Jamie over there and I could never have done or 489 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 4: do what she does. So there's all there, and there's inspiration, 490 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 4: and there's there's really just I'm just so excited for 491 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 4: her and obviously her body and everybody else, like everyone's 492 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 4: physical journey. 493 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: That's I'm proud of them. 494 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: You, you know, with your most people probably don't know this, 495 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,239 Speaker 2: but your your main correct me if I'm wrong, But 496 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: your main job in inverted comments these days is standing 497 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,479 Speaker 2: on a stage and talking to groups in various you know, 498 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: primarily in the corporate space, but you do skills and 499 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 2: you do other things, but a lot of corporate and 500 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: here and all over the world. Do you kind of 501 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 2: have the same level of all the same energy of 502 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: I need to be fucking awesome at this because I know, 503 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 2: like you've done a lot of presenting. I've done a 504 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,719 Speaker 2: lot of presenting, like I can and I don't, but 505 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 2: I can kind of almost just walk on stage auto pilot, 506 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: do my thing, but be amusing, be engaging, tell a 507 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: few stories, says, share some thoughts and ideas and just 508 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: rely on miles on the clock and bit of skill 509 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 2: and a bit of awareness and walk off right. I 510 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: try not to do that. I try to be very 511 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: present and I want everyone to be the best one 512 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: I've ever done. Are you kind of competitive with yourself 513 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: in terms of being the best you you could ever 514 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: be on stage? But not only I feel like you 515 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: want to be the best speaker in Australia that's paid 516 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: the most as well? 517 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 4: Well, I want to be this. I definitely want to 518 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 4: be the best speaker. But what I love is a challenge. 519 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 4: So when I do a speaker brief, so once you 520 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 4: get booked for a job, two weeks before the event, 521 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 4: you make contact. FUR will contact with the client and 522 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 4: the client tells you about the event and normally the 523 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 4: client will say, wow, Geeves has been an event we've 524 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 4: had the last ten years, We've had some really great speakers. 525 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 4: The best speaker Where've ever had was I'm like, oh, 526 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 4: the best speaker right, I'm like, I want to be 527 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: the best speaker. And I actually say to them, if 528 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 4: you don't think I'm the best speaker. 529 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: When I'm finished, you don't actually have to pay me. 530 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 4: And they're like, no, stop, stop it stop, and I'm like, no, 531 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: I am serious. 532 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 3: If you don't think that I. 533 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 4: Was better than your best speaker last time you had 534 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 4: this event, don't pay me, because I want him to 535 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 4: feel absolutely excited by that, thinking, Okay, he's froffing at 536 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 4: the mouth, he's excited, thinking she's so competitive. And usually 537 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,239 Speaker 4: nine times out of ten, the MC will say, well, 538 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 4: it looks like we actually have to pay this Jackie 539 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 4: Mouth because she was the best speaker. I try to 540 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: bring a lot of energy to this to the stage. 541 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 4: I am the double espresso that the audience didn't even 542 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 4: realize they needed, wanted, or had. They just leave with 543 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 4: so much energy. And it's by the way I engage, 544 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 4: It's the way I project, It's the way I connect 545 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 4: with the audience. 546 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 3: And I just want to bring them on my journey 547 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 3: and it. 548 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,719 Speaker 4: Will lift them up, but will feel like that they 549 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 4: can do anything and hopefully cart Wiel out of the 550 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 4: auditorium or out of the venue feeling like life is 551 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 4: good and I'm ready to go and attack it with 552 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 4: a champion attitude. 553 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And some people are going to be listening 554 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: to this a small percentage going, oh, gee, she's pretty 555 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: happy with herself. But I'm telling you that's actually all true. 556 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: She actually is phenomenal. So if you've got heaps cash, 557 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: you know, and you're running an event, you know, just 558 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: reach out. 559 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 4: I also got a research to Craig. I know you 560 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 4: touched on that saying that you want to be prepared 561 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 4: and stay present. I don't take for granted what I do, 562 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 4: and I don't just clip the ticket either, So I 563 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 4: show up hours in advance, and if there's tables to 564 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 4: be set or conference showbacks, I go and put them 565 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 4: to help out the event organizer, like I'm happy to 566 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 4: be there, I'm grateful to be there. I want to 567 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 4: feel like that I'm a part of the event and 568 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 4: I wasn't just a transaction. I'm a big one on 569 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 4: old style relationships. You build them respectfully, and I do 570 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 4: a lot of research into your business, into the people 571 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 4: that I'll be speaking to, so that when the questions 572 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 4: are asked, I can answer with meaning and that it 573 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 4: will mean something to them and hopefully they can use 574 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 4: it within their personal and their professional lives. 575 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that ability when you're working with a 576 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: group to be able to understand their culture, their needs, 577 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: what it is they do, who, what their product and 578 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: services are, who their customers are, what's going great in 579 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 2: their organization, what's not going great, what are their challenges, 580 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: and why they're you know, I asked that, I go, 581 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 2: why are you bringing me in? 582 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 3: You know? 583 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: And sometimes they go, oh, well, we need to speak. 584 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, is there anything else? 585 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 586 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: So it's yeah. But if you can understand the culture 587 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: of the organization and the needs of the organization and 588 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: where they're at into you know, dynamically with the group, 589 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 2: with the business, with even with the P and L 590 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: perhaps or just at how long they've been around, what 591 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: it is they do, what's going great, what's not going great, 592 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: and then then you can share your stuff but be relevant. 593 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 4: To them, yes, definitely. And then if you have no relevance, 594 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 4: then there's no importance. There's no meaning for you to 595 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 4: be there, so it means nothing. And you want to 596 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 4: make connections. When you've made a connection with someone, you 597 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 4: know that you're making change right, and change is so important. 598 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: But I honestly feel so grateful. 599 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: I mean, besides being speaking too, I work for the 600 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 4: Trope Financial as you know, as a brand ambassador, so 601 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 4: I get to do some really amazing things for them. 602 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 4: My recent one was up for international women, say, inspiring 603 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 4: women within the finance industry. I'm doing a staff event 604 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 4: for them tomorrow. Imagine new staff coming in and they're 605 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 4: hit with the dose of me. They're like, who is 606 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 4: this woman? So I've got some really really great clients. Obviously, 607 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 4: I work for some great people, the Trobe, the Mount 608 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 4: Buller and a whole lot of other people. So it's 609 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 4: been a great thirteen years since I retired, that's for sure. 610 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: I've spoken with. When I say spoken with, I've spoken 611 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 2: on the same program as quite a lot of Olympians, 612 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: probably twenty Olympians, I reckon. I'll tell you off air who. 613 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: But there's a couple, God bless them, and they're good, 614 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 2: but they're a bit of a one trick pony, like 615 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: they basically tell the same you know. Like there are 616 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: some that I've been at four different conferences and they've 617 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: spoken and they have one keynote and it goes for 618 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: the exact same amount of time because it's all choreographed, 619 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: the same music, the same videos, the same everything. So 620 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: it's essentially a performance. Please tell me you don't do that. 621 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 4: It depends on actually what they want. So I would 622 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 4: say that my after dinner because it's meant to be 623 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 4: a bit light, very engaging. 624 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: It's a different audience. 625 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 4: That is a very different style of presentation than what 626 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 4: you would give when you're standing in front of a 627 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 4: conference and they're saying exit, enter stage left, exit stage right, 628 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 4: and there's a theme and you've got to hit all 629 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 4: of the high notes. The after dinner or even the 630 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 4: breakfast one, it's more punchy, it's shorter, the presentation has 631 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 4: to lift faster, so constantly changing my presentation. I competed 632 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 4: for twenty years. I've got twenty years worth of stories, 633 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 4: so be very boring if I just repeated the same 634 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 4: two or three stories. So I'm always begging for either 635 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 4: more time so I can tell more stories. Because they're 636 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 4: all great ones, and you've heard a lot of them. 637 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 4: I've had some fun stuff happen, which all have great meaning, 638 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 4: and there would be I think a benefit to companies 639 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 4: hearing all of the stories. But you don't get all 640 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 4: of the time. And sometimes people say, my friend heard 641 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 4: you speak. I want you to just do that because 642 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 4: they know that that work for that other person, and 643 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 4: they know that that was good enough for their audience. 644 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 4: But by the time you do a speaker brief, you 645 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 4: generally talk about what it is, why people are coming together, 646 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 4: how often are you having it, what type of engagement 647 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 4: do they need? Is it more conversation or is it 648 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 4: just a straight pinot no questions? 649 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 3: They're all very different. 650 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 2: When you get on stage, what's your overwhelming or perhaps 651 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 2: underlying emotional state. Is it excitement? Is it anxiety? Is 652 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: it fear? I'm pretty sure it's not anxiety or fear. 653 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: Is it like? 654 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 3: What are you? 655 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: What are you feeling? Or are you just really calm 656 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: and focused? 657 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 3: Like? 658 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: What's your like? I'm interested because I know how I am. 659 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: And also this is such a source of fucking terror 660 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: for so many human beings. The idea of you've got 661 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: to get up in front of all of those people, 662 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: talk for an hour, don't say, don't fuck up, be interesting, 663 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: be a bit funny, and we're all going to sit 664 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 2: there and evaluate you ready, set go right. That's horrifying 665 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: for people, but that's the real of what goes on. 666 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 2: So what are you feeling when you get up? 667 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 4: So start my keynote, I show a six minute video, 668 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 4: which is a non negotiable for me. I'm really lucky 669 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 4: that Bruce McAvaney and I became quite close over my career, 670 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 4: and when I retired, he put together a video like 671 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 4: a mini movie of my career and he narrates it. 672 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 2: So he but that's not fair. That's like, that's fucking steroids, 673 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 2: Like you're on the gear, like that is literally performance enhancing. 674 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 4: Well, you know what I feel like at that point, 675 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 4: I don't even need to do anything because they're already 676 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 4: like they're in. When I get clients saying we don't 677 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 4: really want to have that sort of audio setup, we 678 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 4: don't really want to have major av I'm like, listen, 679 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 4: you need to have visits, Bruce. Bruce is like my entree. 680 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 4: You know, when you go to a great restaurant and 681 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 4: you eat an entree and it's amazing. You're like, fuck, 682 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 4: if that's the entree, I can't wait for. 683 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: The main course. 684 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 4: And he gets my audience primed, ready salivating. So this 685 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 4: video plays and while the videos play, it's six minutes, 686 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 4: I'm actually watching a video going Oh my left arm 687 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 4: was two bent and I could have added that better, 688 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 4: like I'm actually critiquing myself from vision from moments that 689 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 4: happened twenty years ago. So I sort of watched the video. 690 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 4: I'm watching the crowd. Twenty percent of the people start 691 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 4: crying during the video because Bruce does that to people 692 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 4: just with the words. And then I come up and 693 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 4: I'm ready to sort of extend that moment that he's 694 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 4: already had with them. So I'm usually, you know, foaming 695 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 4: at the mouth, throwing at the bit, ready to go, 696 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 4: and I just come up. It's NonStop. It's forty five minutes, 697 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 4: barely taking a breath, never taking a drink of water. 698 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 4: And the only time I stop is where I'm asking 699 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 4: the crowds of questions. 700 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: Amazing. All right, well we can only chat briefly today 701 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 2: because you've got a very busy day because you're because 702 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 2: you're a big deal, as you keep telling me, Oh no, 703 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 2: you're a big deal. It's all right, We're okay. 704 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 4: With it, but is an idiot. I don't go around 705 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 4: saying I'm a big deal idiot? 706 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 3: Oops? 707 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 2: Stay there, we'll say goodbye. Fair But do you want 708 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 2: to tell anyone anything where they can find you or 709 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 2: website or anything? Ah? 710 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 4: Sure, So I'm exclusive with Saxon speakers. If you want 711 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 4: to hear more from me your next conference, go to 712 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 4: Saxton's or you can message me and I'll send you 713 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 4: to the. 714 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 3: Right people. 715 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 4: And we forget together in a couple of weeks so 716 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 4: we can talk about the thing that we can't talk about. 717 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 2: We will definitely be back. We'll chat for longer in 718 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, but for the minute, everyone, love 719 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 2: your guts as your collective gutz is. 720 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 3: See you soon.