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Speaker 1: Michael Clarke. Welcome to straight to it, mate, Mark. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me, buddy. Now I got your nickname is Pup.

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Speaker 1: It used to be Pub.

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Speaker 2: No, it still is. I still get gone to Trust me.

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Speaker 2: I've been caught a lot worse, so I don't mind.

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Speaker 1: Pup's not bad, yeah, but that's not a bad place

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Speaker 1: to start for me. How did you get the nickname?

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Speaker 2: Pub?

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Speaker 1: And he gave it to me.

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Speaker 2: I was the youngest player at that time in the

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Speaker 2: Australian team. How old were you I think when I

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Speaker 2: first start? I think I was twenty one when I

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Speaker 2: played my first one dayer, well twenty three my first

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Speaker 1: So yeah, Pup was what I Pup was.

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Speaker 2: What I got, and Pup is what I'm stuck with

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Speaker 2: more amongst the players or just generally it It started

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Speaker 2: from teammates and then that obviously just become public knowledge.

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Speaker 2: And now I still get young boys or girls coming

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Speaker 2: up the saying pup cano a photo. So it was

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Speaker 2: like young Pup, that's out, Yeah, young Pup. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When you have that sort of you know, let's call

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Speaker 1: it your moniker and well your nickname does that to

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Speaker 1: some extent make it harder to establish your authority in

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Speaker 1: your environment, either as a player or as a combatant

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Speaker 1: against the other side or captain. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I.

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Speaker 2: Ever looked at it too closely, to be honest. I

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Speaker 2: think because there was like the other thing as well.

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Speaker 2: I used to I used to call Matthew Hayden the

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Speaker 2: big fish, and then the other nickname I was given

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Speaker 2: when I was a youngster was Nemo, the youngest, smallest

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Speaker 2: fish in the pond. So I think I think when

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Speaker 2: I played in that generation of players, there was no

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Speaker 2: doubt I was the baby of the team in every

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Speaker 2: essence at alone, you know, just being the youngest. So

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Speaker 2: it was actually a nice feeling, to be honest, when

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Speaker 2: I when I started to feel like I had so

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Speaker 2: many big brothers, I felt very well supported, and it

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Speaker 2: was it was very clear I was the youngest player

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Speaker 2: in like I say, in a number of different ways.

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Speaker 2: So I was such a baby, and I think as

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Speaker 2: time goes on through your career, it's yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It was just one of those things that that's stuck,

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Speaker 2: probably because you don't love it. Generally, with a nickname,

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Speaker 2: if you don't love it, it sticks. If you love

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Speaker 2: it they'll fade it out and give you something you

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Speaker 1: To you know, yeah, you probably think yourself. I've got

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Speaker 1: a few other names. I'd rather you call it. I've

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Speaker 1: been caught a lot worse.

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Speaker 2: I think that was my theory as well. I've been

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Speaker 2: on the field especially, get caught a lot worse.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, It's an interesting way to look

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Speaker 1: at it, though, because some people might look at it

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Speaker 1: as I've got something to prove. I've got to prove

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Speaker 1: myself not to be the pub what's your mindset like?

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Speaker 1: Are you?

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Speaker 2: I was very confident as a player. I enjoyed that

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Speaker 2: young role. I think I think I was I was

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Speaker 2: one or the other. I was either you know, the

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Speaker 2: Hence my relationship with my old man. I think that

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Speaker 2: started from a very young age that if I, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was, I wasn't great at school. I'll get in

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Speaker 2: trouble a bit. But it also, you know, he was

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Speaker 2: of those as a kid, but I think the senior

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Speaker 2: most difficult was that in between when I was I

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Speaker 2: was vice captain under Ricky Ponting. I think I, you know,

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Speaker 2: I saw the game a certain way, certainly tactically, and

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Speaker 2: guess as a parent, you take strengths that I idolized mum

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Speaker 2: voice your ideas but there's no accountability. And in a

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Speaker 2: vice captain's role as well, you do have to voice

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Speaker 1: But with no accountability, it just didn't suit me. I

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Speaker 1: don't think. Do you mind if we just go back

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Speaker 1: to you said to mom and dad, and just go

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Speaker 1: back to your kid from Liverpool up in the West Suburbs,

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Speaker 1: done brilliantly. Well, thank you for someone who probably didn't

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Speaker 1: You know your daughter's at Cambala. My boys went to

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Speaker 1: Cranbville in Scott's So if you take yourself back as

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Speaker 1: watching on YouTube, what you're not seeing is Michael's legs

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Speaker 1: moving all the time. And he's quite an active guy,

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Speaker 1: post forty, it doesn't work. You're still a pup mate.

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Speaker 1: have given me one What were you as a kid? What?

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Speaker 1: What were you like as a kid? Were You're a

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Speaker 2: I don't think rules have ever gone well with me,

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Speaker 2: And even like trying to make sense, I think it can,

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Speaker 2: I think I was a tester of rules. I think

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Speaker 2: I had an amazing family. A tough sister, tomboys sister

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Speaker 1: She was flogging herself. So what does that mean though,

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Speaker 2: No, she was full time work, but the way she

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Speaker 2: So you know, I think she certainly showed me what

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Speaker 2: But I think Mum was like Mum was got to

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Speaker 1: That's what I'd do.

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Speaker 2: And Mum was again, Mum was. Mum was working full

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Speaker 2: certainly that I say ultimate respect. There was that fear

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Speaker 1: Do you think that they knew that you might have

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Speaker 2: I think my mum. I think my mum definitely thought

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Speaker 1: It's this interesting, as she said, because I actually don't

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Speaker 1: a made some mistakes. I overstepped the line, and then

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Speaker 1: can't control themselves. Yeah, I mean, is that something you

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Speaker 2: I think there's probably different different variables based on age as.

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Speaker 1: Well timing in your life.

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Speaker 2: Like I think breaking rules now is a lot different

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Speaker 2: Being willing to discipline your child when they are out

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Speaker 2: It might be having a conversation, it might be, you know,

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Speaker 2: the correction of you can't speak to someone like that.

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Speaker 2: sport that you're worse than cricketers.

437
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Speaker 1: Put it that way, because one of the things I've

438
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 1: always wanted to know, I've always want to know is

439
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 1: you and Caddage, who gave you up? Because what happens

440
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: in the dressing shed stays in the dresser shed. No,

441
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 1: I don't know.

442
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: I don't know how it got out, and again it

443
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, like at the end.

444
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing trying to break. I'm trying to

445
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 1: find Webby's sauce.

446
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, I don't know.

447
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

448
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 2: But to me it was it was a disagreement in

449
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 2: a change room and then from my point.

450
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 1: Of view, it was done, it was dealt with.

451
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 2: And again I've seen Kado a million times commentate the IPL,

452
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 2: see him at certain events. Whatever it is, it was

453
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 2: dead for me then. But things like that's what I'm

454
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 2: saying the media, And I don't know Simon's side either,

455
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 2: Like I don't know if Kado still has beef with me.

456
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 2: When I see him. He's completely fine, but I don't

457
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,720
Speaker 2: know what he would say to other people. And that's

458
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 2: again not my business, not my place.

459
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Speaker 1: You know.

460
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Speaker 2: I grew up in in sports where you could have

461
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Speaker 2: a disagreement and then and sometimes even at footy training

462
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Speaker 2: as a kid, it would be a stink, But then

463
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Speaker 2: tomorrow you run in the field together. Yeah, like that's

464
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Speaker 2: how Again, that was instilled in me as a kid,

465
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Speaker 2: and that's how I see me. You still see in

466
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: every other sport. It still happens these days. Gets smacked

467
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: at training for the waratars recently. Like I'm not saying

468
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: it's right, Don't get me wrong.

469
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: We should have happened, but it happened.

470
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Speaker 2: You're competing like you don't make I'm going to the

471
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Speaker 2: nets and facing Brettley trying to bowl one hundred and sixty.

472
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: K's trying to get picked for selection, and on the

473
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Speaker 2: captain he's trying to rip my head off.

474
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Speaker 1: So if I get hit in the head, it's sort

475
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Speaker 1: of surprise.

476
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 2: You're competing against each other hard Who.

477
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Speaker 1: Was who was the toughest bowler to face in terms

478
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: of speed?

479
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: Was a.

480
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: Back that was the fastest overface? Yeah? Was speed? Were

481
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: talking about?

482
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: Well, he bowled a few balls over one sixty k's well,

483
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 2: but it was high one fifties consistently for a good

484
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Speaker 2: period throughout his career.

485
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Speaker 1: But yeah, he was.

486
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Speaker 2: He felt faster than everybody else that I face some quicks, Brettley,

487
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Speaker 2: Sean Taate, Yeah, Mitchell Johnson, Mitchell Stark, who have I

488
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: missed made? We had some We had some super quick

489
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Speaker 2: bowlers back.

490
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Speaker 1: In the day. Bradley, I remember that period. Faster he

491
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Speaker 1: was they Actually Brettley did some work for us many

492
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Speaker 1: minutes ago, actually a wizard branch at one stage in

493
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Speaker 1: Down Down that he just moved the Dubai as he

494
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Speaker 1: he's living in Dubai. Yeah, I don't know if he's

495
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: for doing what. I don't know. I don't know.

496
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: I don't know who's I think he signed a deal

497
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 2: with well, sorry, I'm assuming because I saw something online

498
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 2: the other day. I think it was with a property company,

499
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that's played a part in the house

500
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: that he's brought there.

501
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's living full time. They've packed his family

502
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: up and living. That not a great time to be

503
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Speaker 1: they're just not This last week I got to be

504
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: back in stew And you mentioned I think he mentioned

505
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: as Sigmon's end of Simon. So you and he were

506
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: great mates, very good friends, and then unfortunately he passed

507
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: away as we know, and will quickly touch on him.

508
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: But you're great mates. Then you you got made captain

509
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: and when you become a leader, as a leader toughs

510
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: tough talk about that because at one stage, you know,

511
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: you were sitting under the guidance of other leaders. Ye,

512
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Speaker 1: Ricky pointing example. And at the end of the day,

513
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Speaker 1: he can make all these you talk about, the middle guy,

514
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: the vice captain didn't have to do anything not accountable.

515
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,479
Speaker 1: When you're the leader, you're accountable and none of that.

516
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Speaker 1: You've got to sort of start to sort out your friendship. Yeah.

517
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 2: Look, I will only be super respectful to Simmo, especially

518
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 2: because he's not here to sit in this chair. And

519
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: if I was to say something that he disagreed with,

520
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: he hasn't got that chance.

521
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: And how do you feel about being a leader and

522
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: you've got to make tough decisions about friends.

523
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Speaker 2: I think that was that was part of when I

524
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Speaker 2: when I took over the captaincy or at that stage

525
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 2: with that incident, it was more I was vice captain.

526
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: Ricky missed that series, so I become captain, so any

527
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: decisions that were made through that period were communicated over

528
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Speaker 2: the phone with Ricky who was away at the.

529
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Speaker 1: Time as well.

530
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: But I think there's no doubt that's that's a fact

531
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Speaker 2: that when you become captain of a cricket team, because

532
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 2: you are making decisions daily on what you think is

533
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: best for the team. Yes, you have a coach, Yes

534
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: I have a vice captain, but you're the one accountable

535
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: as captain.

536
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Speaker 1: So maybe you could explain how it works over like

537
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: as opposed to a rugby league team, you've got the coach.

538
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: Coach is very influenced the ragul leag team in cricket.

539
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Speaker 2: Different in my in my era and when I grew

540
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 2: up and then when I was captain, the captain was

541
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent making ninety nine percent of the decisions

542
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: around the team. Yes, speaking to the coach, in communication

543
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: with the coach every single time.

544
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: You mean just tactically or strategically.

545
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: Both you name it, Matt, I could make I could

546
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Speaker 2: say we're not going to fly at ten o'clock, We're

547
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: going to fly at twelve o'clock, so we changed flight

548
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: to twelve. You could be as involved as you want to,

549
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 2: depended on your personality as well, depended on the other

550
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: players you had in your team. Like for me, we

551
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: had a lot of senior players around me that I

552
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: could go to for their opinion, advice, guidance, which helped

553
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: me as a as a leader as well, but generally

554
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: because I was willing to take full accountability, especially when

555
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: we didn't play as well as we should have, you know,

556
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: and I was confident I knew how to win.

557
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: You know.

558
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: When I took over the captaincy, well fifth in the world,

559
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: and I asked James Sutherlan and Michael Brown. At the time,

560
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: some of them was a CEO. James Sothon is a CEO,

561
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: Michael I was a general manager. And they offered me

562
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: the captaincy and before I said yes, I asked them

563
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: what my job was. What is my responsibility to captain

564
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: in Australia. They said, to get us back to number

565
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: one in the world. At that stage were number five.

566
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: I was like, I accept this job, can't wait because

567
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: I felt like I knew how to do that.

568
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: I felt like I knew how to win.

569
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: I'd played with so many great players, been associated with

570
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: an amazing team, felt like we still had, you know,

571
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: a really good team that we could get back to

572
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 2: number one.

573
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Speaker 1: In the world.

574
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 2: And thankfully we did a lot of hard work, a

575
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 2: lot of ups and downs as a team. But that

576
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Speaker 2: was the thing, Like I was, I was willing to

577
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: I was willing to make those cause and accept the

578
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: consequences if we lost, if I didn't perform, if something

579
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Speaker 2: didn't go right, then I was I was going to

580
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Speaker 2: lose my job.

581
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Speaker 1: I was going to lose the captaincy. But I was.

582
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Speaker 1: I was ready for that. I was okay for that accountability.

583
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: But what's the first thing you did, Michael? When you

584
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Speaker 1: know you got a point it as captain and you

585
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: know you want to get us straight back to where

586
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: we wanted to be, you know, what's the first you do?

587
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: Like what the first thing I did was fought to

588
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: keep Ricky Ponting in my team because I think part

589
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: of it was I can't remember if it was anybody else.

590
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: I remember the conversation, and I think it was I

591
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: think the guys were saying, no captain retires and then

592
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: stays in the team or it had it happened with

593
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: the Australian team before. I don't know if it ever did,

594
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: but I think that was what the conversation was getting

595
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 2: to with me and the selectors, and I said, in

596
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: my opinion, we needed him, We needed him in the group,

597
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: We needed his experience he played. It was more than

598
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: just his runs that at that time that I wanted

599
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: around the group. So that was probably my first major challenge.

600
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: And again I think you have to convince. I had

601
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: to convince everyone. I had to convince all the selectors. Again,

602
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: it would manage a GM CEO board like that, they

603
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 2: all make the decision.

604
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: Nah, I don't think. I think the players would.

605
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: I think the players would have agreed with with what

606
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: I was fighting for and my reason. So I never

607
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, I never heard a player complain about that decision.

608
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: I have no doubt.

609
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: You can only pick pick eleven to play, So whoever's

610
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: number twelve, thirteen, fourteen, they might have been disappointed, But

611
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 2: Ricky wasn't playing bad enough to drop as well. In

612
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: my opinion, I know he wasn't at at his best,

613
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: but he still offered the team a lot at that

614
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: time that I thought was you know, yes, making runs

615
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: was the most important, but there was other stuff that

616
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: was just as important for us as a as a

617
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 2: team at that time.

618
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: Me like a senior leadership times. Yeah.

619
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Speaker 2: I think I think experience. I think the way he's

620
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: around the group or the way he was around the group.

621
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: I think his knowledge of tactical decision on the field.

622
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: If I was under pressure, I could go to him

623
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: and again, very different style of captain to me. I

624
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: think he'd been on tour for such a long period

625
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: of time, so a lot of these young guys that

626
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: hadn't traveled much of the Australian team, you could go on,

627
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: you know, Ricky was another voice or another senior player

628
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: can go and ask about you know, we've been away

629
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: for four weeks, I'm missing home. Whatever it is like,

630
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: It's just there's a lot of things that happen on

631
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: a cricket tour because you're traveling so much that I

632
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: think the combination of experience and inexperience is super important.

633
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: I don't think you can have all kids, and I

634
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: don't think you can have all old guys stuck in

635
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: our own ways, don't want to make change, you know,

636
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: a bit fatigue bits. I I think you need that

637
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: enthusiasm as well from the youngsters. So the balance was

638
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: important for me.

639
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: Would Michael Clark say, okay, Fellas, I want to appoint

640
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: a senior leadership group like you didn't do that. You

641
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: just bounce between the different ones that you need to.

642
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: Have a captain and a vice captain and then you

643
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: have your senior players. But I think it was I

644
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: think as well part of my learning as a captain

645
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: was actually also acknowledging, respecting and listening to a lot

646
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: of what the younger players had to say as well,

647
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: because they weren't or always they weren't. They hadn't experienced

648
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: certain conditions, which sometimes is a strength. When you've been

649
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: somewhere and if you've failed or you haven't had success,

650
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: sometimes that can play on your mind. If you go

651
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: somewhere fresh, you sort of just got no distractions, you've

652
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: got no fear. So I think acknowledging and listening to

653
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 2: both and for a lot of the youngsters or guys

654
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: that hadn't played that much, that was more of a

655
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: one on one conversation where this senior players felt comfortable

656
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: talking in front of the team group. Some of the

657
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: younger players didn't feel that comfortable. So I was trying

658
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 2: to get that balance and the other thing as well

659
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: as using other players around you, like someone like Michael

660
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: Hussey I thought had amazing leadership qualities, but he never

661
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: kept in Australia.

662
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: But Huss was brilliant one on one.

663
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: I knew that Huss was going to take two or

664
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: three guys for coffee in that four hour period before

665
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: we went to training, where I was going to go

666
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: and talk to the coach to find out what are

667
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: we doing, what's train and planned for? Are we looking

668
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: at spinning? Which at wickets were batting in India? Who

669
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: were looking at footage wise for the team, Meaning like

670
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: I just knew I had someone like Huss that would

671
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: go and do that. So then I could speak to

672
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: Huss on the team bus. I'd sit beside him and say,

673
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: how did you go with a younger player?

674
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: You know? So I think it would you have to

675
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: ask him to go and talk to them. He just

676
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: he just do it at the senior play And that's

677
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

678
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Ricky was good at that, Michael Hussey was good at that,

679
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: Brad Haddam was brilliant at that. They built that really

680
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: good friendships with with a lot of the younger players

681
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: through that period that they just naturally.

682
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: Did it It's an old saying that success is often

683
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: built upon the broad shoulders of others as opposed to

684
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: the person out the front, which is you're the person

685
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: out of the front, but the broad shoulders of others

686
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: is really important. What what What is your leadership sort

687
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: of style? How would you best describe it?

688
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: I think I'd be a different leader now in some ways,

689
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: I think I'm a lot softer Now. I think I'm

690
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: probably more empathetic.

691
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: Now that's interesting.

692
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: More.

693
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: I think it's my daughter.

694
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: I think since having a little girl, I think I

695
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 2: just I was so tough, I was so driven.

696
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: It was if in doubt, we're working harder, I'm just

697
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: going to roll over the top of you, I just

698
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: do it this way.

699
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: We're going. If we're running, we're all running. If it's raining,

700
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: we're still running. If if we were losing, if we're

701
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: not making our friends, we're batting more, we're facing better bowlers.

702
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: Where we're training Sunday. Where I was I was a

703
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: big believer.

704
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: Is just in other words, more well, more of everything.

705
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: If if in doubt, I'd rather be overcooked than undercooked.

706
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: But then also the balance, because you're traveling ten months

707
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: of the year, you can't you can't train every day

708
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: you're not playing, and you can't be you know, you

709
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: can't be naughty boy net nets every time you fail.

710
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: There's also got to be that you know that that balance.

711
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: But if in doubt I was, I never ever wanted

712
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: to be underprepared.

713
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: Did you ever feel as those when you were when

714
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: you're the leader? Though you may have overcooked some of

715
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: these guys, including myself, Yeah, yeah, because your personality everyone's

716
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: not the same. Probably takes that can copy it because

717
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: you know you're you're moving and you're on the go

718
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: all the time, but a lot of others might might

719
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: not be like that.

720
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think I was like even trying

721
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: to understand someone if they're having dramas at home or

722
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: something happened with a family member, like I didn't have.

723
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: I didn't have the capacity to understand, empathize, be gentle

724
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: with that, and then still be that driven want to win,

725
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: train hard, preparation super important. I didn't have the balance

726
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: of both, So I was one hundred percent on the left.

727
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: But I think, like I say, have an a daughter now,

728
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: I think that does just naturally softened my personality where

729
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: I think I would be I would be a lot

730
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 2: more empathetic to even that conversation from a player, and

731
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: a lot more respectful of the importance of something's happened,

732
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: you know, mentally or at home or you know, I'm

733
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: feeling down for I missh whatever the reason is, I

734
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: just think I'd be a lot more understanding now than

735
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: what I was when I was captain.

736
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: You said something interesting about the younger players in the

737
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: squad and having the right balance to you, an older

738
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: or experienced and less experience. But one of the things

739
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: that you said that the younger players bring with them

740
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: is a little bit of fitlessness. How is a leader

741
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: do you manage the difference between a younger player and

742
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: you were one of them at one stage of being fearless?

743
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Manages that process of them being fearless versus reckless?

744
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: I think it's you cut slack? How much slack can

745
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: you cut? I'm more for let that superstar shine, Like.

746
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: Well, what about some of these young kids out there

747
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: now and they're you know, they're doing yeah, but I wouldn't.

748
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

749
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't stop anybody doing things their way. I reckon

750
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: that is the greatest gift we have to dare to

751
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: be different, to do it your way. Now, there are

752
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: core fundamentals about you know, you look at any player

753
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 2: that has had success. If you just talk about batting,

754
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: there's a core structure and fundamentals when it comes to

755
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: the skill of batting. So yes, you have to train that.

756
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 2: But the game has changed, The game has transitioned, The

757
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: game has moved.

758
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: How is that thought, because like the balls are same,

759
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: the pits are the same, like the.

760
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: Way we play, Like look at the athlete, like I

761
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: think I was in my generation. I think I was.

762
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: I was one of the fittest in our team. I

763
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: see these players now they are they are ripped. They

764
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: are ninety five kilos, six foot strong, no fat speed,

765
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: like run as quick as some of our Olympic runners,

766
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: Like they are proper the West Indies. You see these guys,

767
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: like the way they run even some of I was

768
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: watching the recent World Cup, the New Zealand opening batters

769
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: man there's six two, six three opening the batting mistiming

770
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: a ball for six. You know some of our boys

771
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: they just belt them like we used to have. You know,

772
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: Andrew Simon's was the player that a lot of players alike.

773
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 2: Now they're built like Simo, and Simo was a standout,

774
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: Matthew Aiden stand out, big strong. Now I think I

775
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: think you've got to be able to move with times,

776
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: like I think, if you don't, you get left behind.

777
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: Like I noticed that even if I'm if I'm talking

778
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: cricket on my podcast or if I'm commentating, you can't

779
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: get stuck in your generation.

780
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: And I think to you know.

781
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: Things are different, like, yeah, gone to the days where

782
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: I'd go to the nets and not practice ducking the

783
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: bouncers or letting the balls go. These days guys are

784
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: ramping it over the keeper, they're swinging outside the off starm.

785
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: So you've got to also accept that there's going to

786
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: be some times in test cricket it's not going to

787
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: look that great. But then I couldn't play twenty twenty

788
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 2: cricket like these boys do. So I think there's also

789
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: that balance that our game has not changed in a

790
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: bad way. I think when people hear the word change,

791
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: they think, oh, that's not good, because cricket's been like

792
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: this for a hundred years. The fundamentals are still there,

793
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: the skills are still super important. You've got able to

794
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: make runs, you got about to take wickets. But it's evolved,

795
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: and I think that's I think that's a great thing

796
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: about life, you know, I think we're always learning, we're

797
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: always fining new things. Technology plays a massive part in

798
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: our sport now where you know, go back fifty years

799
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: and very little did technology play, Like are we using

800
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: a Nokia or were using the iPhone? Like that's sport's

801
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: no different.

802
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: And I guess also one of the things in cricken

803
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: particular is money. I mean, when you were living out

804
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: Liverpool and trying to go and play first grade or

805
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: whatever it was back and even in fifteen sixteen the

806
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: Doe wasn't around. There was money, but not like it

807
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: is now. So therefore the money attracts every athlete, every athlete,

808
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: and they're much more athletic. Well, I can tell you now.

809
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: I played at I think it was somewhere between seventy

810
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: four and seventy six kilos.

811
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm eighty four.

812
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: Now on a good day, maybe in the morning, before

813
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: I've eaten any food. If I was playing now, i'd

814
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: want to be I'd want to be somewhere between. I'd

815
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: like to be as fit as I was cardio wise,

816
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: but I'd like to be stronger I'd want to be

817
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: somewhere between eighty two and eighty six kilos.

818
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: I think for the player, I was basically ten kellos

819
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: more to be.

820
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: Able to sustain three formats and to be able to

821
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: play form without injury, without form of about injury. But

822
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 2: I need the power. I need more power in T

823
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: twenty cricket. I need more power in one day cricket

824
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: than what I needed when I played. And that's I

825
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: give you my physical power, physical not just skill. I

826
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: need to hit more sixers, so that is timing, but

827
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: it's also power as well, because the ball I miss time,

828
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: I need that to go over long, off for long

829
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: on it's head. Where yes, there is still the skill

830
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: of hitting the ball along the ground, through cover and

831
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: point to get fours and running between the wickets, but

832
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: I also got to be able to transition from Test

833
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: cricket one day cricket to twenty twenty cricket. They are

834
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: they so different they are physically, especially for a bowler,

835
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: like you bowl twenty five overs in a day and

836
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: then you bowl four overs. It's a completely different fitness.

837
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: It's a different I think the mental skill in TEA

838
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: twenty cricket is phenomenal to be able to you know,

839
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: you've got to be able to come and on bowl

840
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: first over of the game. Go and stand on the

841
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 2: boundary and field, take a one hand to catch, throw it,

842
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 2: get a direct it run out. Now, come and bowl

843
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: over thirteen, sixteen and twenty Test crick it. You know,

844
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: I bowl eight overs, I get arrest, go to finally

845
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: get the chill out for a bit. Captain says, next over,

846
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: warm up, Okay, first over, I get back into it,

847
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: can bowl another four, five, six overs.

848
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: It's just a very very different skill. So the formats though,

849
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: we're driving the skills required definitely, and as a result

850
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: of the skills required and the money that that's attracting

851
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: the different types of let's call it body shapes and forms.

852
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: And different players like you see twenty twenty cricket guys

853
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: are batting virtually left hand right hand. They're turning around

854
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: and hitting bars the opposite direction to what they do.

855
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: Mad eh mate, For if I try that, I'm getting

856
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: out everything.

857
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: This is definitely ambidexterous. Let's call it one hundred percent well.

858
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: Batting one hand with hard enough for me. Batty right

859
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: hand was hard enough for me. So these guys.

860
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: If they're doing it in twenty twenty cricket, why wouldn't

861
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: they do it in one day cricket or Test cricket.

862
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: And that's what we're seeing.

863
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: Players have now got the courage to be able to

864
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: do that in Test cricket as well.

865
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: Now, what an old.

866
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: School player would say is say get yourself to forty

867
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: fifty sixty, then go for your life. Some players we're

868
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: seeing walk out and do it against an opening bowler

869
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: in the second over of a Test match, and that

870
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: is so different.

871
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: That courage is that courage.

872
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 2: It's courage if it works, But when it doesn't work,

873
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: we criticize it and say irresponsible and well they're not reckless.

874
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: Which is of my point. Before the younger players coming lead,

875
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: he would just say, Wow, he's killed it because he's

876
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 1: going to take those risks and he's done very well. Yeah,

877
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: or he took those risks and he cooped it, he's reckless.

878
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: I would say the balance.

879
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: I would say, one on one conversation with your captain

880
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: or a senior player to go, Okay, it hasn't worked.

881
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: It's worked once in five goes. What do you think

882
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: do you reckon? We can get to twenty before we

883
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: try that. But I'm not telling a player to stop

884
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: being themselves, to stop playing their natural game. If that

885
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: got you to playing for Australia, now we just mold

886
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: that to turn you into the best player you can

887
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: possibly be. But if you're playing for Australia, you're doing

888
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: something right. And I think to try and make try

889
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: and stop doing something sometimes is the worst. Like because

890
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: you're also muscle memory. You don't play for Australia when

891
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: you're six. You've trained from six years of age to

892
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: generally twenty four. If you're twenty two or twenty three,

893
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: when you're a youngster and you get picked someone like

894
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 2: Michael Hussi plays.

895
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: At thirty four.

896
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: Can you believe the amount of muscle memory he's built

897
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: to get to thirty four to make his testaboo? You

898
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 2: can't say change your game then, and even from six

899
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: to twenty one, you can't say change your game.

900
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: Then.

901
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: There's stuff that you learn as a kid, the skills,

902
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: the skills are learnt at a young age, but you

903
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: can mold your game. Your shot selections important, when to

904
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: do something, when to go, when to pull back, which

905
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: one to play, which under leave You know when to

906
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: take someone on, when to go down the wicket. Like

907
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: all these things are learning the art of the game,

908
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: which you do do generally when you're around the best

909
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: players because you watch them and learn from them, or

910
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: when you're out under pressure because you've got to make

911
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: those important decisions. But your actual skill, it's these players

912
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: are freakish. I honestly think today's cricketer does not get

913
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 2: enough credit. Man and woman. The females now.

914
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: Amazing mates on it, like, especially the strange males. The

915
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: skills are unbelievable.

916
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: And I think sometimes when you see players get out

917
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: in a way that we're not used to, you know,

918
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: reverse sweep early in the nings. But we're still Australia particularly,

919
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: we're still a little bit old school, which is nothing

920
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: wrong with that as well. I think I'm old school

921
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: values as well, but I think it'll just take a

922
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: bit of time for us to get to that next

923
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: stage we go.

924
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: Just part of the game these days definitely makes entertaining.

925
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I was just listening to you, let's call

926
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: it issuing advice or talking about observations you made. You

927
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: were making a lot of observations about other people's skills

928
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: and you're sort of generously sharing those ideas, and that

929
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 1: sort of brings me to d Smith. You know, you've

930
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: been bigart of his career, great great play, great great

931
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: roosters support to against you and morning David Warner two

932
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: of the greatest crickets, both Ruster supporters. Now. But let's

933
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: talk about Steve during the during that difficult period. Did

934
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: you help him out? Did you talk to him?

935
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 2: I think for me it was it was a really

936
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: tough time for all three of the guys that were in. Actually,

937
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: it was a really tough time for everyone that was involved,

938
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: to be honest, but I think for the three guys,

939
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: particularly Smitty, Davy, Warner and Cam Bancroft, I think it

940
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: was an extremely he copped a tough sign personally, you

941
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: know what I think?

942
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, I think all three.

943
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: Of them copt their fair share, And to be honest,

944
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: I was super proud that all three copped it on

945
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 2: the chin. I think there's no doubt everyone can see

946
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: what happened and it and and again I think there's

947
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: a lot of things that are still kept in the house,

948
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: which I think is also part of playing a team sport.

949
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: That those players that were there, if they don't want

950
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: to talk about it, then I don't think it should

951
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: be spoken about that stays in house. I think you

952
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: do owe honesty to the fans because everybody watched the game,

953
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: saw it, and it's been replayed a million times. Extremely

954
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: tough on those three guys, heartbreaking to see the pain

955
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: they were going through. And again I am old school

956
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: in regards to you do the crime, you pay the time.

957
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: I get that, but I do love that they they

958
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: copt their medicine, took their suspension, took their fine, lost

959
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: the leadership, but then Australia forgave and gave them a

960
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: second chance.

961
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: And I think that for me, I think there's a

962
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of people that are.

963
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 2: Dot a lot worse shit in this world that have

964
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: been given a second chance. And that was the one

965
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: thing for me that I like. I say, I'm not

966
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 2: taking anything away from what they did. I'm not making

967
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: that any lighter, any softer. We can't have that in

968
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: any sport, let alone in what I think is Australia's

969
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: greatest sport. So I'm okay with the tough punishment, but

970
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: I think it is a sport and they deserve to be.

971
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: They deserved a second chance, and I'm happy they got that.

972
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: And that's very strange too, by the way, everyone deserves

973
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: a second But.

974
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: Like, if my daughter makes a mistake, she's already made

975
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: a million, She's gonna make a million more. It's part

976
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 2: of my job as a dad to have a conversation forgive,

977
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: don't forget, make sure she's aware it's not acceptable, give

978
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: her another go.

979
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: Like that's what I'm saying.

980
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: I think maybe it's easy for me to say this

981
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: because I knew what I was like, you know, growing

982
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: up as a kid. I know all the stuff ups

983
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: I've made, and I've been given so many chances. So

984
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: that was the way I saw it speaking to them.

985
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: I think they'll aw very in very different places as well, because.

986
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: Different people, you know. I think.

987
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 2: I think how you take certain things is very much

988
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: around the individual. How you react and then how you

989
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 2: build the strength to to move on takes everyone different times.

990
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: And I think I think the other thing that we

991
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: probably saw was all three of them had had a

992
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: pretty strong foundation with whether it was family or friends.

993
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 2: Once they got back to Australia and their home state,

994
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: that played a significant role in getting them through. One

995
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 2: of the toughest periods of their life.

996
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: And let's talk about to Steve for a second. I mean,

997
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 1: what are his personality strengths sleeve? But what do you

998
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: see as you know him well? But he's a soft soul,

999
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: he Smitthy is a soft soul, and I thought.

1000
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: As a David Warner, Yeah, yeah, very very different personalities,

1001
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: very different. I think Smitty, you can't dislike Smitty. He's

1002
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: a lovely guy. He's a super hard worker, he has

1003
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 2: he has his own way of doing things.

1004
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: But I think, yeah, he's a gentle soul for sure.

1005
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: So there's no.

1006
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: Doubt that that time would have been really tough for him.

1007
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: Do they reach out? Do they reach and say mate,

1008
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: I'm doing it tough for what happens during these Again,

1009
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: I think that's up to the individual mark to be honest,

1010
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: I think, do you reach out to him? And so

1011
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: how you going? Oh?

1012
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: I think yeah, it's not hard to send a message

1013
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 2: to check in that you know, I'm thinking of you.

1014
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: But again, some people mightn't.

1015
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: Like I've had a lot of mates that you know,

1016
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: over a period of time, they you know, with stuff

1017
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: that's happened to me, they were unsure whether how would

1018
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: come across.

1019
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: How would feel them reaching out?

1020
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: And then afterwards you catch up and see each and

1021
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: they go, mate, I should have just they say, I

1022
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: should have just sent you a message, But you understand

1023
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: everyone's different, and I think for something like that as well,

1024
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: it affected the cricketing community, the Australian cricketing community. I'm

1025
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: talking past players, I'm talking players that are playing state cricket,

1026
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: club cricket. I think everybody was sort of dealing with

1027
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: what they were seeing at that time as well. But yeah,

1028
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: I think think we should do that more. Though one

1029
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: hundred per as rich out.

1030
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: I think so.

1031
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: As a male, I think it's our greatest weakness.

1032
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: You know.

1033
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: I think women are brilliant communicating. We've come a long way,

1034
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: but I still think we're nowhere near good enoughort sticking

1035
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: a hand out and just saying I'm here if you

1036
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: need something.

1037
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: You're talking earlier on about training in the nets and

1038
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: ducking to avoid bounces. Do you mind if I just

1039
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: touch on your great mate who got hit with the bounces? Yeah, yeah,

1040
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: tough one. When that happened, What did you what did

1041
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 1: you feel in here?

1042
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: I think you know the answer to that. I still

1043
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: get emotional talking about it still. I think it's I

1044
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: think you, like anytime someone passes, I think I think

1045
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: the perception is it gets easier. I don't know, I

1046
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: don't know if that's the case.

1047
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: You don't really heal from it, maybe learn from it.

1048
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: I think you.

1049
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: I think I think you find ways to deal with

1050
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 2: it in that moment, like today, in this, in this interview,

1051
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: I give you this happening.

1052
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: Two years ago. I don't know if I can even

1053
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: speak about it, you know what I mean.

1054
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: So I think you slowly try and manage the situation,

1055
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: the feelings as much as you can. But yeah, it's devastating,

1056
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's he was a young man, full

1057
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 2: of talents and yeah, even my brain now, I don't

1058
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,919
Speaker 2: even think about the cricket side of things.

1059
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Just think about, you know who we lost as a person.

1060
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: More than he would have played one hundred Test matches,

1061
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: he would have had a ten year career, at least,

1062
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 2: at least he would have been I think it would

1063
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: have been one of our best opening batters that we had. Also,

1064
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 2: I'm emotionally attached. I'm saying that no matter what you know,

1065
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 2: but that's how I saw him as a player.

1066
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: But it's more who he was as a man. It's interesting.

1067
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about your era. I'm apart from

1068
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: having a lot of a lot of scalley wags of

1069
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: unbelievable skill, but an unbelievable big personalities. Three people you

1070
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: play with have passed andrews Hoimer's Shane worn Phil.

1071
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: And my mentor growing up as a kid Rod Marsh

1072
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: as well past just before the day before Warning.

1073
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's but that's that seems to be

1074
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: a lot. I know, I can't see. I can't say

1075
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: that in terms of rugby league groups that I know,

1076
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: that's a lot coming out of one group. Yeah, one

1077
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: group of mates. Devastating.

1078
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Jusy didn't play with Warning or Simo, but

1079
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: obviously knew them like Morning Morning and Hughsey were good friends,

1080
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 2: were good friends. Warnie come to South Africa as our

1081
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: I don't even know what he was bowling coach mentor

1082
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: party manager and he was on that tour. He was

1083
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: in the squad but didn't play. So yeah, they become

1084
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: great friends.

1085
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1086
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: Look, it's devastating, mate, and I think I think that

1087
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: is a part of sport as well.

1088
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: Like you, we all go our own ways.

1089
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 2: We've all got our different lives and you have kids

1090
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: and families and you move on and you don't see

1091
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 2: each other as much and you probably don't talk as

1092
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: much as you should on the phone. But I think

1093
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: I think your remain a distant family like you're stellar family.

1094
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: Anybody that's played, look I've got I'm the three hundred

1095
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: and eighty ninth player to play for Australia. It's scarred

1096
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: on my body. That means something to me. And I'd

1097
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: be surprised if you went and spoke to someone that

1098
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: is ninety years of age that played for Australia if

1099
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: they don't know what number player they are for Australia.

1100
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: I think it's that important.

1101
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: Nine. It's three eady nine. Good bottle of wine too?

1102
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: Can I just can I ask you before we rap,

1103
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: because it's important for me that game and I think

1104
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to know this too. You've been pretty

1105
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: successful and everything you've done. They tell me you've got

1106
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: your lunch money and I'm a saver. My mum will

1107
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: at the bank for thirty years. You've got to still

1108
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: got to lunch money and you each dollar's got a name.

1109
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: No, I'm the least Titus person. I'm brag about myself

1110
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: about one thing.

1111
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm generous. I'm a good spenders. No one has said

1112
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: to not generous. You know where everything's gone, you know,

1113
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: you know which direction, which street is all gone to.

1114
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: But you've done wealthy. You have done wealth yourself in

1115
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: the financial sense. And what are you doing now? What's

1116
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: what's my club doing now? With like post cricket, I've

1117
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: got my own podcast twenty three beyond twenty three, I

1118
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: do yep, and we're out of able Spotify YouTube, Spotify, yep,

1119
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: I do.

1120
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: I do a little bit of commentary overseas. Really, in

1121
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: regards to money, my stuff's basically still in property. I

1122
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: think it always has been. I've always invested in residential property.

1123
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: Again different in different ways as well. Like when I

1124
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: was playing, there was a lot more investment properties. Now

1125
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: I'm you know, it's more home I live in different

1126
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: sort of investments. But I think really my focus has been,

1127
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 2: you know, ambassador for a handful of companies, a tiny

1128
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: bit of commentary overseas in our winter because I want

1129
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 2: to spend this summer with my daughter as well on

1130
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: her school holidays in Australia. And then my podcast is

1131
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: something that I've really fallen into and absolutely love, so

1132
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: that creates my cash flow and then I invest in property.

1133
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: You mentioned on a number of occasions, and if we

1134
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: just don't mind just touching your private life. You have

1135
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: had a listening of ex partners and a lot of

1136
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: us received a lot of press. I have met your

1137
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: current partner Arabella Jeff sixtieth I think it was Jeff

1138
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: sixty out and she's over filming stuff and taking photographs.

1139
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: And you've been talking about your daughter a lot today.

1140
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: And what is it about those two people that keep

1141
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: you different at your age today compared to say, when

1142
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: you and are not here for you to come home?

1143
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: On your previous partners, I'm not asking that. What is

1144
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: it about the stability that you get out of those

1145
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: two people in particular that help you be Michael Clark

1146
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: today compared to who you were? Well, I've said it before.

1147
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: They both softened me, so but have they softened you?

1148
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: Have you seen something in them that made you soften yourself?

1149
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 2: Maybe I'd like to say combination, but I think or

1150
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 2: is it just maturity?

1151
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: It could be that as well.

1152
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: I'd like to say that as well, that's probably a

1153
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 2: question more for those two. I think from my side,

1154
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: I think I've always been super comfortable around females. I'm

1155
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: super close to my mum. I've spoken already about my sister. Yeah,

1156
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: my daughter is that's interesting.

1157
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: Well there's three, there's three there and there's there's one net. Yeah,

1158
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: so that's very interesting. Like you think women you get

1159
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: on better with women, strong women in your life, or

1160
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: balance women in your life.

1161
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: I think I've always had women in my life, you know,

1162
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 2: I think they've played a big role still do I think,

1163
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: and I think it is. I think it's the you know,

1164
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: I think there's I think there's a balance of you know,

1165
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 2: being around your mate is a great feeling. I think

1166
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: we all have that talk and footy, talking, cricket, having

1167
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 2: to drink whatever it is. But I think, you know,

1168
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: I also enjoy like there's nothing I don't do without

1169
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: my current partner, without Arabella.

1170
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: That's funny. Is Fenice the biggest, the same He's got

1171
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: the two daughters, and he's got and he's got his

1172
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: missus and they they go. He goes everywhere with him.

1173
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: I saw him Vegas last week, likes and and one

1174
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: of the daughters because she was over there with her

1175
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: partner place Newcastle. But and they're actually funny enough. They've

1176
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: got a granddaughter. Yeah, so now what's there's there's two

1177
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: complete Alaricans, Australian Alaricans completely. You know, you are great sportsman,

1178
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: some of the best best in the world, you know

1179
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: in a long term sense. Yet you have these women

1180
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: who form a huge party of life.

1181
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 2: Maybe they keep our feet on the ground as well,

1182
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: Like I think for me, like I'm very lucky, like

1183
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: Bella is. Bella is brilliant at socializing, like I mean, brilliant.

1184
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: She gets on with everyone. Yeah, you know, I'm still

1185
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: I'm still Like I'll sit back. She'll bring that out

1186
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: of me. I will say, they don't really want to

1187
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: go here. She'll say, I think it's good.

1188
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: We go. It's funny. Yeah I am. That's me man,

1189
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: Like I'm hopeless. Yeah I don't. I don't really.

1190
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm a homebody, Like I don't mind my mates or

1191
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: our friends coming to our house where we stay.

1192
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: But as long as you know who they are and

1193
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: it's controlled. But it's in my environment, you know what

1194
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean.

1195
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 2: So I think I also think she can you know,

1196
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: she brings that out of me, which is good.

1197
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'd never leave the house. But what do you think?

1198
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 1: What do you what do you get from that by

1199
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: going out?

1200
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: For example, it's outside your comfort zone and you get

1201
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: to meet new people because you feel safe a hundred

1202
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 2: The main thing Also for me if I if I'm

1203
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: to step outside with a group of mates and it

1204
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 2: becomes midnight, for example, and then someone takes a photo

1205
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: of me getting a drink at a bar, which and

1206
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm only talking about this because I've experienced it. As

1207
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: soon as the lady behind the bar gives me the drink,

1208
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: someone takes a photo. Oh, this lady's holding hands with Michael.

1209
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 2: Like if I've got my partner there. Everything's right in

1210
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: front of them as well, So it takes out any

1211
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: sort of risk of that. But that's not why we

1212
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 2: go out together. I think I love her company, I

1213
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: love the conversation. I love her friend group are awesome.

1214
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 2: I think she brings like I say, she probably brings

1215
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: me out of my shell a little bit as well,

1216
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: like my daughter does. You have to go to stuff

1217
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 2: with your daughter.

1218
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: You have to go.

1219
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm at cross country last week, I'm at the swimming

1220
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: carnival Limet. You know, father's day breakfast you're at you know,

1221
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: Christmas stuff that it's not I don't really want to go,

1222
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: but my daughter does.

1223
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: My daughters I'm going, you know, and you've got to

1224
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: show you're enjoying it one hundred percent because she will notice.

1225
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: That's for sure, my daughter will notice. So I don't know.

1226
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I think it's the comfort being around

1227
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: women has always been there for me as well, Like

1228
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: I don't feel I don't have to change. I've always

1229
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 2: got on well with women, and I've always felt comfortable.

1230
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: It's interesting, like a female is. I think is really

1231
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: important to give me, definitely successful people balance because your

1232
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: world is very male. You're in a male cricket side

1233
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: and you're hanging out with males and you're living, traveling

1234
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: in the world with them, and you're in each other.

1235
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: You're sharing a room probably, you know, Like I don't

1236
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: know if you say when I started, when I.

1237
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: Was, when I first started playing first Class screen, Yeah,

1238
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: you'd bunk in together, you sho As time went on,

1239
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 2: you ate your own room.

1240
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: But captain gets his own room. Captain gets his own room. Yes.

1241
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: One of the benefits as.

1242
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 2: You get older, you should get your own especial when

1243
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: you're a parent as well, you want to have your

1244
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 2: own room.

1245
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: You're that's for sure. They're talking to your daughter and

1246
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: your teammates ninety once ago to a night club.

1247
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: I think you should be in different rooms. The other thing,

1248
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: I've always felt this as well. I've always felt I could,

1249
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 2: I could buy myself a house, but I've always felt it's.

1250
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: Become a home with the woman in it. That's interesting.

1251
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: I've always forgot maybe because my styling is very male

1252
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: dominated and the woman has just the woman has always softened,

1253
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: brings warm my home and softened me.

1254
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I really appreciate your honesty because I mean not

1255
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: many people get to see that about Michael Clark. I

1256
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: mean we sort of put you up here as a

1257
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: great sports person, you know, achieve great things. A bit

1258
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: of controversy, which, by the way, I don't mind the

1259
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: controversy that I think controversy surrounds most people who's success

1260
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: for one way or the other. None of us are perfect.

1261
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: I know that no one's None of us are perfect,

1262
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: and some of it just a little less imperfect than others.

1263
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: But we're all imperfect, that's for sure. But I appreciate

1264
00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: your honesty and your frankness and congratulations made to it.

1265
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: A bullying cree, a brilliant, creaking cree. Thank you for

1266
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: having me, Matte. I really appreciate it. Thanks Matte, Thanks Mark,