Speaker 1: Why.
Speaker 2: On Sky News, this is Sharry.
Speaker 3: Good Evening Tonight, we expose more doctors for denying the
Speaker 3: rape of Israeli women on October seven and defending her
Speaker 3: mus taking hostages. These complaints have been dismissed by the
Speaker 3: h Triple C. That exclusive coming up, plus Hollywood actor
Speaker 3: Nate bars is on the show. He asks why haven't
Speaker 3: police pressed charges against the Bankstown nurses and leading economists
Speaker 3: are now concerned that RBA has bowed to political pressure
Speaker 3: in cutting rates too early. I'll be joined by former
Speaker 3: Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl and Warren Hogan, and let's
Speaker 3: start the show with the rates decision. Today, the RBA
Speaker 3: delivered a rate cut of zero point twenty five percentage points.
Speaker 3: This is the first mortgage relief in more than four years,
Speaker 3: and the cash rate will now fall from four point
Speaker 3: three five percent to four point one. Leading economists are
Speaker 3: concerned this could set back the fight against inflation, that
Speaker 3: this outcome today is a result of political pressure, and indeed,
Speaker 3: IBA Governor Michelle Bullock faced an intense political campaign to
Speaker 3: cut rates ahead of the election. Labor MPs publicly urged
Speaker 3: her to cut by double the usual amount, up to
Speaker 3: fifty basis points, despite grave concerns from economists and a
Speaker 3: group of labor politicians including Mike Friedlander, Graham Perrot, Brian Mitchell,
Speaker 3: Rob Mitchell and Sam Ray all piled on the pressure
Speaker 3: on Michelle Bullock in comments in the Australian newspaper Today,
Speaker 3: and others including union figures, went on camera.
Speaker 4: If they make a decision today not to cut interest rates,
Speaker 4: it would be a dire mistake.
Speaker 3: And I reckon that they deserve great relief.
Speaker 5: I want to cut gear and I want to cut
Speaker 5: My job is to stand up for my community and
Speaker 5: we need a cut.
Speaker 2: Pre ta cheap cheap, Well we all would. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: any of us have got a mortgage and like one.
Speaker 6: That's for sure.
Speaker 3: Now the RBA faces accusations that they caved in to
Speaker 3: political pressure because there's an election on now. We don't
Speaker 3: have full transparency over the precise vote that took place
Speaker 3: at the RBA board, whether it was unanimous or which
Speaker 3: members voted for or against a cut. But Michelle Bullock
Speaker 3: did indicate today that it was a heated discussion.
Speaker 4: It was a difficult decision in the sense that there
Speaker 4: were arguments on both sides and what I would say
Speaker 4: is that the Board had a very active debate of
Speaker 4: the arguments on both sides on this, but in the
Speaker 4: end came to the view that the better decision was
Speaker 4: to be a little bit of the restrictiveness, still maintain
Speaker 4: some restrictiveness, but ease a little bit of restrictiveness in
Speaker 4: recognition that we are making progress towards our goal.
Speaker 3: Sitting around the RBA board table is Stephen Kennedy, the
Speaker 3: Treasury Secretary and good friend of Jim Chalmers, and you'd
Speaker 3: imagine he would have been arguing.
Speaker 2: Strongly for a cut.
Speaker 3: Not only would this boost Albanese's electoral chances, but also
Speaker 3: fascinating research shows that the suburbs worst hit by rising
Speaker 3: mortgages are in labor electorates. This is research from the
Speaker 3: Parliamentary Library. It was commissioned by the Coalition and it
Speaker 3: shows that twelve of the fifteen most impacted suburbs are
Speaker 3: in labour seats, and these include Salisbury and Adelaide, where
Speaker 3: mortgage repayments increased from six hundred and seventy nine dollars
Speaker 3: to two thousand, one hundred and seventeen. You can just
Speaker 3: imagine how those families would be struggling. Then Bayswater in
Speaker 3: the l seat of Perth, where the monthly mortgage rose
Speaker 3: two hundred and nine percent to two thousand, three hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty five dollars a month. And Woodridge in Jim
Speaker 3: Chalmer's seat of Rancord, where repayments have increased by one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy three percent. But all Australians have felt
Speaker 3: this pain. In total, Australians have had more than thirteen
Speaker 3: rate hikes, and twelve of those were under Albanizi. And
Speaker 3: you remember how Albanizi blamed Scott Morrison for that first
Speaker 3: rate hike back in the twenty twenty two election campaign.
Speaker 3: Well it doesn't take responsibility now for the other twelve.
Speaker 3: And remember Australia is steel and has been in a
Speaker 3: per capita recession.
Speaker 2: For two years.
Speaker 3: A family with a typical mortgage will have spent fifty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars more on mortgage repayments since Albanzi came to government.
Speaker 3: That's according to Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor, who made the
Speaker 3: point today the prices just aren't going to come down
Speaker 3: anytime soon now.
Speaker 7: Labour's own forecasts. Labour's own forecasts don't get us back
Speaker 7: to the living standards that they inherited back when they
Speaker 7: won the election in twenty twenty two. They don't get
Speaker 7: us back to those living standards until twenty thirty with
Speaker 7: further downgrades today, it's a long way back.
Speaker 3: Treasurer Jim Charmers of Cost celebrated the rate cut and
Speaker 3: indicated the end is in sight for the cost of
Speaker 3: living crisis.
Speaker 8: It's a demonstration of the progress that Australians have made
Speaker 8: together in this fight against inflation. Now that progress that
Speaker 8: we've made has been substantial, it is now sustained and
Speaker 8: it's reflected in the decision taken by the Reserve Bank today. Now,
Speaker 8: when we came to office, inflation and interest rates were rising.
Speaker 8: Now both are falling. This is the softle that we
Speaker 8: have been planning for and preparing.
Speaker 3: For, and you'll hear more of that messaging as the
Speaker 3: election campaign officially gets underway. But this rate comes despite
Speaker 3: some economists warning that yes, while headline inflation is now
Speaker 3: within the IRBAS two to three percent target, this is
Speaker 3: because it has been artificially lowered by Labour's cost of
Speaker 3: living subsidies. This is only temporary and headline inflation is
Speaker 3: expected to rise back above target when the subsidies stop
Speaker 3: and underlying inflation is still above three percent, and economists
Speaker 3: are concerned this decision could push back the fight against inflation.
Speaker 3: It isn't yet over, as much as Albanezi would like
Speaker 3: to wish it away.
Speaker 9: Michelle Bullet was very keen to note, actually there is
Speaker 9: a scenario by where if we get things wrong here,
Speaker 9: we might have to raising distrats again and that really
Speaker 9: would be bad for the Reserve Bank's credibility, so quite
Speaker 9: clearly very bad for Australia's economy as well.
Speaker 10: This would have been a bit of a knife edged
Speaker 10: decision for her, and you can read in the statement indeed,
Speaker 10: that she's forecasting that it's not going to necessarily be
Speaker 10: the case that this is the first of several rates
Speaker 10: drops this year.
Speaker 3: So as you just heard there from Ross Greenwood explaining
Speaker 3: her decision, Michelle Bullock said that this rate cut doesn't
Speaker 3: mean further relief his coming, and that was a curious comment.
Speaker 2: So here she was again today.
Speaker 4: I can't say one and done. What I can say
Speaker 4: is that we've done one. We've removed a bit of restrictiveness.
Speaker 4: We are still restrictive, and we are waiting for more
Speaker 4: evidence that we're getting inflation sustain to be black in
Speaker 4: the band before we are willing to move again.
Speaker 3: Former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl. He'll be on the
Speaker 3: show tonight and his view is that this RBA cut
Speaker 3: is premature. He says, if it needs to be reversed,
Speaker 3: then our inflation problem will be worse and the credibility.
Speaker 2: Of the RBA will be in tatters.
Speaker 3: Now, make no mistake, this decision today will play into
Speaker 3: the election timing, and Albinizi is now poised to call.
Speaker 2: The federal election imminently.
Speaker 3: Most likely it'll be held in early April, a poll
Speaker 3: that for many can't come soon enough. Okay, let's continue
Speaker 3: now our expose over the toxic culture and racism in
Speaker 3: the Australian healthcare sector, and tonight we can reveal new
Speaker 3: instances of shocking antisemitism by Australian doctors who've shared posts
Speaker 3: encouraging radicalization, denying rapes of women on October seven in Israel,
Speaker 3: and even defending her musk taking hostages. I mean, every
Speaker 3: day this gets worse. One GP who works in Bankstown
Speaker 3: reposted on Instagram Palestine will never die. Have faith in
Speaker 3: the resistance and in the resilience.
Speaker 2: Of the Palestinian people.
Speaker 3: Another post also encourages radicalization, saying let this radicalize you
Speaker 3: rather than lead you to despair, with a picture of
Speaker 3: a masked terrorist. And here's yet another post from this
Speaker 3: Bangstown GP of a terrorist holding a weapon. Then another
Speaker 3: GP who presents a very family friendly image will She
Speaker 3: denies that women were raped on October seven, she claimed incorrectly,
Speaker 3: and I'm quoting her post here. No women have come
Speaker 3: forward about rape, despite many public calls. She also supports
Speaker 3: boycotting of Israel and tells people to call their super
Speaker 3: fund to divest from Israeli companies.
Speaker 2: This is a GP.
Speaker 3: She shared a post claiming October seven was a prison break,
Speaker 3: and in this post she said that the Israeli state
Speaker 3: began as Britain and the Allies cruel experiment in apartheid
Speaker 3: for millions of Palestinian people, she writes, And you wonder
Speaker 3: why they fight back? Why her mus the Palestinian Liberation
Speaker 3: organizations and other militia and political organizations formed in response
Speaker 3: to Israeli's incursions. Now, I don't need to tell you
Speaker 3: that this is an egregious reframing of history and it's
Speaker 3: clear support for terrorist groups that have slaughtered entire innocent families.
Speaker 3: This GP, as I said, presents with a family friendly image,
Speaker 3: and she's even a children's author. This is highly dangerous
Speaker 3: and inflammatory stuff. And here's another doctor, this one in
Speaker 3: New South Wales, who says, and I quote, Zionists will
Speaker 3: not be welcome apart from a few spots around the
Speaker 3: globe after this war. And this doctor justifies her Musk
Speaker 3: taking Israeli hostages. He writes, I'm quoting here, you can
Speaker 3: see it. Her Musk just wanted to get some Palestinians
Speaker 3: back from a legal detention, so they took their own hostages.
Speaker 3: This doctor justifying the fact that women and children, and
Speaker 3: even a nine month old baby, baby Kafir, now presumed dead,
Speaker 3: was taken hostage. This is sick and he's another denier.
Speaker 2: He writes.
Speaker 3: Many of the allegations about Hermas's actions on October seventh
Speaker 3: are not supported by evidence. Now the evidence is there
Speaker 3: categorically for the world to see. How can a doctor
Speaker 3: like this treat patience with any credibility? How can he
Speaker 3: hold a medical license if he's so delusional?
Speaker 2: This is frightening.
Speaker 3: He was the subject of a complaint to the Healthcare
Speaker 3: Complaints Commission that h triple C, yet they.
Speaker 2: Took no action.
Speaker 3: I've got their letter tonight, and in fact, in their
Speaker 3: letter of response they admit they didn't go to him
Speaker 3: for a comment about this. Doesn't sound like a very
Speaker 3: thorough investigation to me, the h TRIPC said in their letter.
Speaker 3: The Commission acknowledges the upset caused by anti Semitic and
Speaker 3: racist comments posted on social media. However, we have been
Speaker 3: unable to establish conduct concerns at this time. This is
Speaker 3: because we understand that the current situation regarding Israel and
Speaker 3: Gaza is complex and individuals may express differing opinions as
Speaker 3: well as exercise free speech. This is pathetic and weak
Speaker 3: from the regulator. How can they take no action against
Speaker 3: a medical practitioner who denies that women were raped, who
Speaker 3: makes excuses for hamas and even defends the taking of hostage.
Speaker 3: It's utterly inexplicable and it's an indictment on the h
Speaker 3: Triple C. Then have a look at this GP in
Speaker 3: Brisbane who engaged in some classic anti Semitic tropes, writing
Speaker 3: on social media that the Zionist mafia that controls the world.
Speaker 3: No surprise, they talk like gangsters, the actual mob. And
Speaker 3: she also said, and I'm quoting, and Zionists still play
Speaker 3: the anti Symitic card when Islamophobia is way more of
Speaker 3: an issue. Wish I had due privilege, Wow, due privilege.
Speaker 3: And right outside the RPA hospital in Sydney, social media
Speaker 3: footage shows a pro Palestinian protest where there were accusations
Speaker 3: of genocide.
Speaker 2: Imagine how uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: That would have made Jewish patients and staff feel. Now
Speaker 3: we could be here all night. There are so many
Speaker 3: examples and this problem is clear systemic, with doctors and
Speaker 3: nurses being able to bring their racism to work, and
Speaker 3: this leaves Jewish patients vulnerable. Now I've been inundated with
Speaker 3: anti Semitic instances in the past few days. Kelly Sloane,
Speaker 3: she was on the show last night. She said she
Speaker 3: had as well. And my understanding is that the health Minister,
Speaker 3: Ryan Park, you're in New South Wales, has also received
Speaker 3: many people complaining about their experiences. And I suggested today
Speaker 3: to Ryan Park that he set up, as I said
Speaker 3: on the show last night, he should set up a
Speaker 3: hotline or an inquiry to examine all of these instances.
Speaker 2: He said to me today that he was open to
Speaker 2: the idea.
Speaker 3: He understands the issue, and he told me he's thinking
Speaker 3: about the best way to deal with this. He's on it.
Speaker 3: He wants it to be dealt with in a timely manner.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to drag it on with long inquiry,
Speaker 3: so he's trying to work out the best process. But
Speaker 3: quite clearly, one of the issues that needs to be
Speaker 3: examined whether it's by the state so the federal government,
Speaker 3: is how APRA and other medical regulators, how the a
Speaker 3: Triple ce handles this as well. And meanwhile, tomorrow morning
Speaker 3: it will be a week since this video went viral.
Speaker 6: Let's say an Israeli go for them.
Speaker 2: I went to treat them, luck to them.
Speaker 6: You have no idea how many Israeli had a dog
Speaker 6: came to this hospital and me too.
Speaker 3: And yet still New South Wales police and the AFP
Speaker 3: haven't pressed charges against the two Bankstown nurses despite their
Speaker 3: clear hate speech. Now I talk about this with Hollywood
Speaker 3: actor Nate Buzz a bit later in the show.
Speaker 2: Here's what he told me today.
Speaker 5: The Australian government is scared to push this through the
Speaker 5: legal system because if these two people are charged and
Speaker 5: found guilty, of what they've done. I think it's going
Speaker 5: to open up Pandora's box into every other anti Semitic
Speaker 5: member of the Arab Islamic community in Australia who have
Speaker 5: been allowed to spew hate for fifteen months now.
Speaker 3: If police don't take action here, then the hate speech
Speaker 3: laws are not worth the paper they're written on and
Speaker 3: there will be an ouproar from all Australians. Right joining
Speaker 3: me now, former Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop and
Speaker 3: Liberal Senator Holly Hughes.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3: And Holly, you actually get to question Opera in Senate
Speaker 3: Estimates next week?
Speaker 2: Is that writer? Are you going to be asking them
Speaker 2: about some of this?
Speaker 1: As long as estimates goes ahead next week we will
Speaker 1: be hearing from Opera, and certainly as a committee, I
Speaker 1: think we should be writing to them to find out
Speaker 1: what their response to this is. This is extraordinary that
Speaker 1: within our healthcare system, people that are supposed to provide
Speaker 1: care regardless of who is in front of them, it's
Speaker 1: part of their oaths to do that, that this sort
Speaker 1: of hate and bile is being allowed to be spewed
Speaker 1: everywhere over social media. You can only imagine how uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: It must be for any Jewish patients of those gps
Speaker 1: or doctors or concerns that the Jewish community must now
Speaker 1: have presenting anywhere. Some of these seem to be in
Speaker 1: certain areas of Sydney. I don't know where the GP
Speaker 1: in Brisbane is based, but you know, our areas are
Speaker 1: not completely homogenous or get always totally. They're doing their
Speaker 1: best in some areas and they're just very well. Maybe
Speaker 1: a Jewish patient that needs to attend Bankstown Hospital and
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'd be too confident if I was there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, there's an Instagram account that's been that has
Speaker 3: set up. It's anonymous that has a lot of examples
Speaker 3: on it. It's called not my Doctor. And you just
Speaker 3: have to think that if you're going to see a
Speaker 3: specialist who you don't know in the future, if you're Jewish,
Speaker 3: you're going to be wanting to check their social media
Speaker 3: because these doctors feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: Enough putting it there in black and white.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to return with Jeorgie Crozier that she's
Speaker 3: the shadow health Minister in Victoria. I'm going to return
Speaker 3: to speak about this with her in a minute.
Speaker 2: So let's get back to this.
Speaker 3: Rates decision today, now, Bronwin, this is clearly it's unclear
Speaker 3: whether there is a strong enough case for the rates cut.
Speaker 3: Economists have different views. I've got two on the show tonight,
Speaker 3: but it's clear that this is what the Prime Minister
Speaker 3: was hoping for and there was a lot of pressure
Speaker 3: put on the RBA board.
Speaker 11: Well, there was a campaign run and unfortunately for the
Speaker 11: head of the RBA, who I've had a high regard
Speaker 11: for because she's been strong, but irrespective of whether she's
Speaker 11: still being strong, it has the appearance of there being
Speaker 11: political interference and that's bad for the RBA. If you
Speaker 11: look at the reality, the underlying inflation rate is still
Speaker 11: at three point two percent, but the statement was it
Speaker 11: is expected to be between two and three percent if
Speaker 11: you project forward. But every other statement has been well
Speaker 11: we're not there yet, and you look backwards and you say,
Speaker 11: well it hasn't happened yet. So quite clearly Albaneze he
Speaker 11: wants to have an election. I've said all along issue.
Speaker 11: He wanted to go in December and lost his nerve.
Speaker 11: But the long ward goes on without something, the worse
Speaker 11: it gets for them. So he is going to try
Speaker 11: and have this as quickly as he can, there will
Speaker 11: be no budget. And when I watched again, as the
Speaker 11: expression I use with regard to the snake charm of
Speaker 11: the treasurer, he flaps the lips and nothing meaningful comes out.
Speaker 11: This is for soft landing. We were planning. Really, you
Speaker 11: also planned the twelve increases, did you? And the time
Speaker 11: that you've been the treasure of this country, there is
Speaker 11: nothing that they have done that could have curbed back
Speaker 11: that inflation. They have spent three hundred and forty seven
Speaker 11: billion dollars extra, which is pushed inflation along instead of
Speaker 11: being cut back earlier. And together with the industrial relations
Speaker 11: laws and the push where the government has actually increased
Speaker 11: wages whereby they get more but they could buy less,
Speaker 11: the country's economy has been run badly. And that's the fact,
Speaker 11: and it has to be laid out clearly.
Speaker 3: That comment from the governor Michelle Bullock where she said
Speaker 3: there was heated debate arguments foreign against Look, it shows, yes,
Speaker 3: they eventually arrived at a decision, but it shows the
Speaker 3: case wasn't obvious for a rate cut. And we don't
Speaker 3: even know what her personal position was on this.
Speaker 1: And we don't know what the vote was and we
Speaker 1: don't know who landed where and what thewhelming number was
Speaker 1: in support of the rake Hut. I have never seen
Speaker 1: a rake hut so hyped as today, and it was
Speaker 1: extraordinary the number of people who were tuning in to
Speaker 1: watch it. I was watching it and I think Ross,
Speaker 1: I've actually mentioned it to my husband and I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever sat around a TV waiting to see
Speaker 1: what an RBA decision was. I mean, normally they come
Speaker 1: in when we're sitting in question time, but I saw
Speaker 1: Ross greenway't say I've never seen the anticipation around this
Speaker 1: possible rate cut or not. And you can hear the
Speaker 1: political campaign charging behind it, and Jim Chalmers came out
Speaker 1: on Monday saying to his MPs, don't talk about it.
Speaker 1: And I was doing Pete Stefanovic with Matt fi Waite
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, so he's the red rag to a bull.
Speaker 1: You know, Matt had the most ridiculous answer, but Dove
Speaker 1: ride in on the issue, and you know, they were
Speaker 1: putting so much pressure on the RBA. I'm very concerned
Speaker 1: that Australians may take this as the start of more
Speaker 1: rate cuts to come. When going it's not going to
Speaker 1: be but you and I and Brow when we all
Speaker 1: watch all the news, we were sitting at home watching
Speaker 1: the rate cut. If you're busy cooking dinner for the
Speaker 1: family and getting the lunches ready for tomorrow while the
Speaker 1: washing machine's going in the background, you're not sitting down
Speaker 1: and listening to the full statement of Michelle Bully. You
Speaker 1: hear this, you think, Wow, things are starting to get
Speaker 1: a bit easier. If it doesn't come through, if the
Speaker 1: inflation rate doesn't get between three, and we find that
Speaker 1: it goes up again, the rates go back, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of these families are going to get an
Speaker 1: almighty shock all over again. And it's and I heard
Speaker 1: Ross say today, you've got to ring your bank to
Speaker 1: ask for the rate cart.
Speaker 2: You don't just assume it's coming.
Speaker 11: People.
Speaker 1: Ring your bank tomorrow and tell them you want the car.
Speaker 2: Sit on hold for two hours. Yeah, nothing worse. And
Speaker 2: what you're going to say, bro, We're.
Speaker 11: Not going to bring down your basket when you go
Speaker 11: to the supermarket.
Speaker 2: Exactly down again. It stays at that used to.
Speaker 11: Be five dollars, it's now seven dollars thirty.
Speaker 2: It's not going back.
Speaker 3: To five dollars And not to mention the egg shortage
Speaker 3: at the moment as well. Speaking speak of supermarkets. Now,
Speaker 3: let's have a look at this story. The Prime Minister
Speaker 3: has denied that the spin doctors at Labry HQ are
Speaker 3: peddling misinformation with this latest medi scare attempted.
Speaker 12: He said on The Insider the program on ABC on Sunday.
Speaker 12: There'll be cats, but he won't tell you what they
Speaker 12: are until after the election. We know last time he
Speaker 12: went after health and wanted to trash Medicare.
Speaker 3: Look, there is no question labor original clip was highly
Speaker 3: misleading of Peter Duttan's comments. Let's have a look if
Speaker 3: we have it at that original clip.
Speaker 13: We're very clear about this. Medicare is dead. They can't
Speaker 13: be for free. We have to pay for a world
Speaker 13: class medical system. We are determined to send a price
Speaker 13: signal so that we can move away from the view
Speaker 13: that everything can be for free in health in this
Speaker 13: country because it can't.
Speaker 2: Be authorized by pter Erickson alp camera.
Speaker 13: So the government is determined to make sure that Medicare
Speaker 13: is sustainable.
Speaker 2: I mean, holly, he said the exact opposite.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: But when the coalition left government bought billing rates were
Speaker 1: at eighty eight percent under this labor government that's apparently
Speaker 1: so fixated on ensuring Medicare is strong, and they've done
Speaker 1: all of this apparently for bolt billing, bult billing is
Speaker 1: now at seventy seven percent, So for twenty three percent
Speaker 1: of Australians they have zero access to bulk billing doctors
Speaker 1: at all. And in fact, there is not one seat
Speaker 1: in the country that has not seen a decline in
Speaker 1: bulk billing rates. But I think this is more evidence
Speaker 1: of the fact they have no good story to tell,
Speaker 1: they have nothing positive to say.
Speaker 2: It's all going to be fear.
Speaker 1: Mongering and scare campaigns. And I've always said, you know,
Speaker 1: they're trying to make Peter Dutton as unlikable as possible.
Speaker 1: When you look at Liberal leaders that have won the
Speaker 1: prime ministership, we haven't had that many that have been
Speaker 1: seen as the popular guy you want to go have
Speaker 1: a beer with. People want to elect someone who's a
Speaker 1: strong leader, who's going to take charge, who's going to
Speaker 1: make decisions, be decisive and stand by them, and they're
Speaker 1: going to the I know, you know what they see
Speaker 1: is what they get.
Speaker 2: That's what they want.
Speaker 1: They don't want someone to go have a beer and
Speaker 1: a barbecue with. They don't want dj Albow who's clearly
Speaker 1: made a complete mess of everything.
Speaker 2: And you know the one.
Speaker 1: Popular leader we had was Malcolm Turnbull and look how
Speaker 1: well that went.
Speaker 2: Not very good point.
Speaker 3: We're nearly out of time, but very quickly, Brian, when
Speaker 3: what's your view on this?
Speaker 11: Well, very simply, the Labor Party is very good at
Speaker 11: telling lies, it's not very good at running the country.
Speaker 11: And if we look back through the campaigns that they
Speaker 11: run previously, you see plenty of it. They tried it
Speaker 11: in the election against Malcolm Turnbull. They're trying the same
Speaker 11: argument they're trying against Peter Dutton to do. But at
Speaker 11: the end of the day, the points that Holly just
Speaker 11: made about looking for a strong leader is perfectly true.
Speaker 11: People want some they can depend upon. And when we
Speaker 11: see Albanezi out there under pressure, as she'll be this time,
Speaker 11: they can't send him off for a week's COVID lead
Speaker 11: because he's stuffed up, Because he will stuff up. Because
Speaker 11: I say, again and again, nobody ever said he was
Speaker 11: leadership material when I served in that chamber for twenty years.
Speaker 11: And here is the proof in the eating was.
Speaker 2: Correct, all right, from a Bishop poly. Here's great for Shure.
Speaker 3: Now, last night I spoke about doctor Mohammad Ghilan. He
Speaker 3: has worked at Alfred Hospital in Melbourne until just three
Speaker 3: months ago. This is despite his highly offensive social media
Speaker 3: posts saying live like sinoa or die trying and I
Speaker 3: am harmas they are harmas we are all hermas. Now
Speaker 3: he wasn't sacked, he was stood down while there was
Speaker 3: an investigation taking place by the Alfred and then he resigned.
Speaker 3: Victorian Shadow Health Minister Jeorgie Crazier joins me. Now, Jeorji,
Speaker 3: great have you on the show. Look, Gilan is still
Speaker 3: a registered medical practitioner. We can't see that the police
Speaker 3: have taken any action here. How is this possible?
Speaker 14: Well, Shari, you highlighted just the extreme nature of that
Speaker 14: doctor's posts and I think that is an enormous concern.
Speaker 14: And I've heard you raise the issue around our pro
Speaker 14: the regulator. They've not doing the role that they should
Speaker 14: be regulating doctors and they've just foregone those responsibilities.
Speaker 2: Clearly, this should not be happening.
Speaker 14: These are really serious claims made by this individual. And
Speaker 14: if he's still got his practicing registration, goodness knows where
Speaker 14: he will end up next in Victorian hospitals, and I
Speaker 14: think that should be concerned to not only every Victorian,
Speaker 14: but every Australian.
Speaker 3: Look, his is a very extreme example, but there are
Speaker 3: other similar extreme examples that we've spoken about tonight and
Speaker 3: last night in Brisbane and Sydney and Melbourne, even in Wa.
Speaker 2: This is right across the country.
Speaker 3: Do you think Mark Butler has done enough, especially considering
Speaker 3: more than two hundred and sixty doctors wrote to him
Speaker 3: in October twenty twenty three asking him to take action.
Speaker 14: No, there's just been a lack of leadership around this
Speaker 14: whole issue, Shari. And as we know, there's been doctors
Speaker 14: that have written to the federal Health Minister. I've had
Speaker 14: doctors that have reached out to me. I've had other
Speaker 14: people that have reached out to me expressing their concerns
Speaker 14: about what is happening in Melbourne hospitals. I'm really concerned
Speaker 14: about that. In fact, I'm alarmed about it. I can't
Speaker 14: believe what has gone on when they have spoken to me.
Speaker 2: This has just been a.
Speaker 14: Leadership void at the federal level, at the state level.
Speaker 14: Today in the State Parliament, I was calling on the
Speaker 14: minister to provide guidelines for Victorian hospitals because we just
Speaker 14: can't have this sort of activity and this activism happening
Speaker 14: in our hospitals. They're meant to be safe places for
Speaker 14: people when they're most vulnerable. They're most vulnerable and they're
Speaker 14: sick and needing surgery and care. So I just think
Speaker 14: this is appalling and there's been a lack of leadership
Speaker 14: right from Mark but the Prime Minister down to the
Speaker 14: Premier and the Health Minister here in Victoria.
Speaker 3: I mean this has all come to light because of
Speaker 3: the Bankstown nurses scandal a week ago, which was just
Speaker 3: so shocking, But you think this has been bubbling under
Speaker 3: the surface for sixteen months now. It hasn't been given
Speaker 3: proper political attention, it has been given proper media attention.
Speaker 3: And you just think of some of these doctors. I mean,
Speaker 3: imagine going to them as a Jewish patient. I showed
Speaker 3: the post from one doctor last night saying that she
Speaker 3: fears seeing Jewish names on her new patient list. You know,
Speaker 3: how can this be Australia right now?
Speaker 14: Well, it jolted me into realizing the extent of it
Speaker 14: when that video came out last week.
Speaker 2: I was absolutely.
Speaker 14: Appalled and horrified like most reasonable Australians, it just was
Speaker 14: just shocking and to think that that's happening in hospitals
Speaker 14: where they're meant to be safe havens for people so
Speaker 14: to be Jewish, and I know the stories that have
Speaker 14: happened here in Victoria.
Speaker 8: They have concerned me.
Speaker 14: Jewish patients and Jewish doctors and Jewish nurses should not
Speaker 14: be subjected to what they're being subjected to.
Speaker 2: That's the bottom line.
Speaker 14: And we've had a real lack of leadership from hospitals,
Speaker 14: from governments and from the regulator and all of those components,
Speaker 14: every single one of them need to do better so
Speaker 14: that this doesn't continue to happen in Australia, in Queensland,
Speaker 14: in New South Wales, or in Victoria anywhere across the country.
Speaker 2: It just shouldn't happen.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. It's the same issue ever. All right, Georgie,
Speaker 3: great to have you on, Thank you very much for
Speaker 3: your time. Now still to come, we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about the rate cut again and whether the RBA was
Speaker 3: bullied into this decision. Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl.
Speaker 2: Would join me next. Plus is Ready.
Speaker 3: Content creator Max Veiefer has spoken out about how police
Speaker 3: have handled the horrific video.
Speaker 2: Hollywood actor Nate buzz would join me with his reactions.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Well, let's return to today's rate cut. Welcome
Speaker 3: news for mortgage shoulders across the country. And let's bring
Speaker 3: in now former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl. David, thank
Speaker 3: you very much for your time and an excellent article
Speaker 3: in The Australian yesterday. By the way, we spoke about
Speaker 3: it here on the show last night. Look in your view,
Speaker 3: has the RBA caved into political pressure or do you
Speaker 3: think there was a strong case for a rate cut.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me on, Sharhi. My view is that
Speaker 6: there was not a strong case for a rate cut,
Speaker 6: and I based that on the test Michelle Bullok and
Speaker 6: her board set for themselves some time ago to be
Speaker 6: met before a rate cut should happen, and that was
Speaker 6: as you know, that they are confident that inflation has
Speaker 6: returned sustainably to its two to three point band, and
Speaker 6: that test is not meant. There are three factors, Shari.
Speaker 6: One headline inflation, as everybody knows, is still above three percent.
Speaker 6: We've had one quarter of inflation that came in below expectations.
Speaker 6: But one swallow doesn't make a summer. Secondly, the labor
Speaker 6: market is gaining strength, Employment is growing strongly, vacancy is arising,
Speaker 6: So there's no sign that the restriction in the rates
Speaker 6: is slowing labor market activity. And Thirdly, there's the massive
Speaker 6: uncertainty associated with Donald Trump his threats of trade lars.
Speaker 6: The US FED has lost confidence in its own inflation
Speaker 6: strategy and a signal that it's not going to cut
Speaker 6: So for those reasons, based on the tests that Michelle
Speaker 6: Bullock said, there was not a strong case. I don't
Speaker 6: think it was even a lineball decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really interesting to hear you say that. So
Speaker 3: would a public campaign that political pressure have played into this.
Speaker 3: And we know that the Treasury Secretary sits on the board,
Speaker 3: so what sort of influence would he have in these discussions.
Speaker 6: I've spent part of my career sharias and assistant secretary
Speaker 6: briefing a former Treasury Secretary for his participation in the board.
Speaker 6: I've read hundreds of Treasury minutes up to the secretary,
Speaker 6: previous secretaries putting the whole weight of Treasuries expertise behind
Speaker 6: them to influence the board. Wow, so unlike every other
Speaker 6: o these serious country which does not allow political actors
Speaker 6: or people who report to politicians and serve at the
Speaker 6: pleasure of politicians to make monetary policy decisions.
Speaker 15: We do.
Speaker 6: And to me, having lived and worked in the US
Speaker 6: and spoken about this to American central bankers, I've just
Speaker 6: found it remarkable now. In the past that influence was subtle,
Speaker 6: But I think it's fair to say that Jim Chalmers
Speaker 6: and Stephen Kennedy have not been subtle over the past
Speaker 6: six months to one year. I've written about it in
Speaker 6: The Australian. Stephen Kennedy, for example, is very close to
Speaker 6: Ross Garno. He's worked with him, he's friends with him.
Speaker 6: They share the same views on inflation and Ross Garno
Speaker 6: bullied Michelle Bullock late last year and the Financial Reviewers
Speaker 6: you know, revealed that rang up their op ed editor
Speaker 6: to demand that his piece pretty much insisting on a
Speaker 6: rate cut last December be published, so to influence Bullock.
Speaker 6: So there may be no connection with Stephen Kennedy, but
Speaker 6: I think that he was a voice for cutting in
Speaker 6: the board, whether he genuinely I'm sure he genuinely believes that,
Speaker 6: but there's no mistake that that's what his boss wants.
Speaker 6: And then secondly, he has labor lined economists who is
Speaker 6: close to been beating the drum constantly. So for me,
Speaker 6: it hasn't been subtle. And I think that, more than
Speaker 6: anything else, has really shown this decision to be a
Speaker 6: political capitulation.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you're on the show tonight because that
Speaker 3: is the most fascinating insight of how a Treasury secondary
Speaker 3: can wield influence on the board, especially if they are
Speaker 3: highly political, as you say.
Speaker 13: Now.
Speaker 3: Michelle Bullok said publicly today herself that there was she
Speaker 3: used the word heated, but that there was rigorous discussion
Speaker 3: and debate about whether there should be a rate cut.
Speaker 3: So that indicates that absolutely wasn't a unanimous view on
Speaker 3: the board, at least initially.
Speaker 2: They might have arrived at one.
Speaker 3: But there's also signals, doesn't it, that there wasn't an
Speaker 3: obvious case for a cut.
Speaker 6: Not at all. And in fact, I read the RBA
Speaker 6: board statement before I came on tonight, and if you
Speaker 6: remove the references to the decision and just read the
Speaker 6: economic data and analysis in that statement, nobody would believe
Speaker 6: that the board was announcing a cut. The statement was
Speaker 6: quite upfront. It said we've had one quarter of below
Speaker 6: expectation inflation. It said that that's increased that confidence that
Speaker 6: inflation is returning to target, not that it gives us confidence.
Speaker 6: And it's quite upfront about the labor market getting stronger
Speaker 6: and the risks of inflation, potential inflation resurgent, getting more serious.
Speaker 6: So if you take out the decision, I was staggered
Speaker 6: because there's not a strong case at all.
Speaker 2: So is this political interference? Could this be political interference?
Speaker 6: Then well call me a cynic. But when I read
Speaker 6: in the paper yesterday that Jim Chalmers was telling the
Speaker 6: backbench to cool their horses, I thought, well, that shows
Speaker 6: that he knows the fixers in And then when I
Speaker 6: chuged on the television I saw that the cameras were
Speaker 6: in the meeting room, I thought, well, Charmers or his
Speaker 6: media people wanted that because they knew that there was
Speaker 6: going to be a favorable decision. I have no evidence
Speaker 6: of that, but anybody that's savvy with how things operate
Speaker 6: in Canberra wouldn't mistake that at all. So for me,
Speaker 6: it's a political capitulation. Even if it isn't, it has
Speaker 6: the appearance of one. And as I said, we've got
Speaker 6: a flawed board structure where we have the treasury sectory
Speaker 6: there that's not acknowledged for some reason by the media.
Speaker 6: It's a bit like Anthony Fauci Shahi. T is an
Speaker 6: example that will appeal to you. Appointing a board to
Speaker 6: advise him on the origins of COVID and having his
Speaker 6: right hand man on it. Would you accept for a
Speaker 6: moment the integrity of that recommendation or would you have
Speaker 6: question marks?
Speaker 3: Well, we've been reporting it on the show tonight, the
Speaker 3: fact that he's on there and last night, David Pearl,
Speaker 3: you are brilliant. I'm so glad you came in the show.
Speaker 3: They were invaluable in sits. Thank you for your time. Now,
Speaker 3: coming up after the break, Hollywood actor Nate Buzz will
Speaker 3: criticize the lack of police police action. Plus we'll return
Speaker 3: to the RBA later in the hour with the view.
Speaker 2: Of Warren Hogan. Stay tuned, Welcome back.
Speaker 11: Well.
Speaker 3: A few hours ago, the Israeli content creator Max Viifa,
Speaker 3: who was at the center of that Bangstown video, posted
Speaker 3: this to his Instagram page. I hope the police are
Speaker 3: doing everything they can to bring the truth to light.
Speaker 2: The fight against these twenties.
Speaker 9: Summis is just want battle.
Speaker 6: We must stay united to face the challenges ahead.
Speaker 2: Let's make Australia a safe place for Jewish people. We've
Speaker 2: had enough. The Jewish community in Australia had enough. Now.
Speaker 3: Max has sent the unedited video to police after I
Speaker 3: helped him with the correct email address, because the police
Speaker 3: send him the wrong email address. He's posted it to
Speaker 3: his social media. He's sent in a police statement. But
Speaker 3: yet the Daily Telegraph reports today that now police need
Speaker 3: to travel to.
Speaker 2: Israel to interview him.
Speaker 3: Police haven't confirmed that, but it seems utterly bizarre. They've
Speaker 3: got the video, what else do they need now? I
Speaker 3: spoke to Hollywood actor Nate Buzz.
Speaker 2: A little bit earlier about all of this.
Speaker 3: Now, in this interview, you may notice that on his
Speaker 3: jumper he's got the number five hundred on it. Well,
Speaker 3: that's how many days it's been since the hostages were captured.
Speaker 3: Five hundred days in terrist captivity.
Speaker 2: Here he is.
Speaker 3: Nate's so great to see you again. Look, it's been
Speaker 3: a week. Tomorrow morning, it will be a week since
Speaker 3: you played an important role in getting the Max Viva
Speaker 3: video into the public domain. No charges laid in relation
Speaker 3: to this. Yet just like there've basically been no convictions
Speaker 3: for hate speech, despite the hate preachers, despite the aggressive
Speaker 3: pro Palestinian protesters chanting hateful slogans.
Speaker 2: Do you think there seems to.
Speaker 3: Be reluctance by law enforcement to actually use the laws
Speaker 3: available to them and stop the rise of antisemitism.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the Australian government has a pretty good
Speaker 5: understanding of how much hate speech, how much antisemitism, has
Speaker 5: been voiced by those in the general Australian public over
Speaker 5: the last fifteen months. I mean, eighth of October we
Speaker 5: saw people gathering in front of the Sydney Opera House,
Speaker 5: burning the Israeli flag, chanting some unspeakable things. What they
Speaker 5: later claimed was saying where are the Jews? But what
Speaker 5: very much seemed like they were saying, gas the Jews.
Speaker 5: And that has just been the consistent every single weekend,
Speaker 5: whether it's in Sydney or Melbourne, these protesters have gathered
Speaker 5: and they have spewed out their vile hamas hate speech.
Speaker 5: You know, and you know, I saw a representative of
Speaker 5: the Australian government today, I can't remember her name, but
Speaker 5: she was a Muslim representative trying to protect and shelter
Speaker 5: and almost convince her audience that we're coming to We're
Speaker 5: coming after these two nurses too hard, too strong, and
Speaker 5: what they said was nothing more than a joke. And
Speaker 5: what I would say to that comment is it couldn't
Speaker 5: be further from the truth. In fact, everything that we've
Speaker 5: heard from the Palestinian messaging is that everything those two
Speaker 5: nurses said in that specific viral video is exactly in
Speaker 5: line with what the pro Palestinian supporters have been saying
Speaker 5: in Australia for the last fifteen months. Globaliz into Farta,
Speaker 5: there is no solution into Fara revolution. These sort of
Speaker 5: things are calling for violence against not only Israeli's but Jews,
Speaker 5: and we've seen that. We've seen that with the graffiti
Speaker 5: happening around Australia. We've seen that with the various attacks
Speaker 5: on Jewish communities, including the firebombing in the synagogue in Melbourne,
Speaker 5: the attack on the daycare center. I mean, this is
Speaker 5: alarming for Australia, Shari and I think the big picture
Speaker 5: that we're seeing here is the Australian government is scared
Speaker 5: to push this through the legal system because if these
Speaker 5: two people are charged and found guilty of what they've done.
Speaker 5: I think it's going to open up Pandora's box into
Speaker 5: every other anti Semitic member of the Arab Islamic community
Speaker 5: in Australia who have been allowed to spew hate for
Speaker 5: fifteen months.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Pandora's box is already being opened. Last night
Speaker 3: on my show, I had so many more examples of
Speaker 3: doctors who are openly praising Hamas more again tonight, even
Speaker 3: doctors who say they fear seeing Jewish names on their
Speaker 3: patient list. I mean, these aren't sentiments they're uttering behind
Speaker 3: closed doors. They're literally putting this on their social media accounts.
Speaker 3: It's so transparent, and yet again authorities aren't taking any action.
Speaker 3: These are registered health professionals. Again, why the reluctance to
Speaker 3: actually address this.
Speaker 5: We have a radicalization problem in Australia, no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: We have radical Islamic ideologies that have infiltrated Australia, that
Speaker 5: have been allowed to live and breathe in our communities
Speaker 5: without being addressed. I think that comes down to our
Speaker 5: immigration issues, and I think the Australian government is scared
Speaker 5: to take a strong stand here. I think they realize
Speaker 5: they're in over their heads and they really have to
Speaker 5: make a choice. They're going to have to make a
Speaker 5: choice whether they are going to back jihadest humas ideology
Speaker 5: or they're going to stand with a nation that would
Speaker 5: be considered an ally some fifteen months ago and actually
Speaker 5: support the Israeli Jewish community that also calls Australia home. Sadly,
Speaker 5: from what I've seen from both Albanesi and definitely Penny Wong,
Speaker 5: is that they are leaning towards a support of radical
Speaker 5: Islamic ideologies and what we're seeing in Europe, what we're
Speaker 5: seeing around the world is going to reach our doorsteps
Speaker 5: faster than we think if the Australian government doesn't come
Speaker 5: hard down on these nurses and send a very very
Speaker 5: strong message to the Arab Islamic world. Now here's the thing.
Speaker 5: This is my concern, Shari. Australian government is worried about
Speaker 5: offending the Muslim community. They're scared of Islamophobia, which they
Speaker 5: should be. Islamophobia is equally as bad as anti Semitism.
Speaker 5: But I think they're more concerned about protecting the Muslim
Speaker 5: Arab population in Australia than they are protecting the Jewish
Speaker 5: Israeli population. And that's what's concerning because I think both
Speaker 5: groups should be treated equally. I think both groups should
Speaker 5: be protected, and I don't think any group should have
Speaker 5: the freedom to spew anti Semitic and vilification against the
Speaker 5: nation of Israel. I have no problem with people criticizing Israel,
Speaker 5: but there is a big difference between criticizing a nation
Speaker 5: and vilifying them with the intended purpose to cause harm
Speaker 5: to Jewish Australian citizens and having the freedom to get
Speaker 5: away with it. And that's what it's coming down to.
Speaker 5: And the Australian government knows that, they know that they
Speaker 5: have allowed this to go on for so long, and
Speaker 5: I don't think they're willing to pull this back. And
Speaker 5: that's the scary part. I think what we're going to
Speaker 5: see is a turn in the cohesion of this country
Speaker 5: if we allow this divide to keep happening. I mean,
Speaker 5: I've been tracking some of the nurses that work at
Speaker 5: Bankstown Hospital and just this week they've taken down their
Speaker 5: pro Palestinian Instagram accounts on TikTok and Instagram. They're hiding
Speaker 5: their evidence, they're trying to cover up what they've been
Speaker 5: saying all along, because I think a lot of them
Speaker 5: are scared. The Australian government needs to move on this
Speaker 5: in a big way and it needs to happen now.
Speaker 3: Nate, you're not Jewish, but you've been so strong in
Speaker 3: standing up against anti Semitism and in support of Israel.
Speaker 3: What's your message to the Australian community right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I'd like to say to the everyday
Speaker 5: Australian what may not seem significant right now, why should
Speaker 5: I care about what's happening in Gaza and specifically Israel
Speaker 5: Is Because what we've seen is despite the fact that
Speaker 5: this is a problem that's happening in a country so
Speaker 5: far from home, it's been brought to our doorstep. And
Speaker 5: I think every single Australian should always think and stand
Speaker 5: up for the minority. And the minority of all the
Speaker 5: minorities is the Jewish people. If you don't know, adew,
Speaker 5: there's a reason why, because they're a small minority and
Speaker 5: yet they've contributed so much to Australia. So I think
Speaker 5: now's the time that every day Australians should actually take
Speaker 5: a bold stand and say enough is enough. If you
Speaker 5: want to be violent, you can go back to the
Speaker 5: places where you're freely allowed to be violent in the
Speaker 5: Middle East, and you can wage war on your villages
Speaker 5: and the neighboring countries if you so wish, but that's
Speaker 5: not going to fly here in Australia. And I think
Speaker 5: this is the moment of time that both every day
Speaker 5: Australians and the government need to take a strong stance
Speaker 5: of this, and that starts with these two nurses. They
Speaker 5: need to face the full force of the law otherwise
Speaker 5: they're going to keep doing this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, police are going to be under increasing pressure over that.
Speaker 11: All.
Speaker 2: Right after the break, Warren Hogan.
Speaker 3: Would join me to speak about today's rate cut that's
Speaker 3: coming up in a minute.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Well, let's get the point of view of another economist
Speaker 3: on whether there should have been a rate cut today.
Speaker 3: Joining me now, EQ Economics chief economist Warren Hogan. Warren,
Speaker 3: thanks for your time. Look what's your view on this?
Speaker 3: Was there a big case, a strong case for a
Speaker 3: rate cut?
Speaker 15: No, not at all. The case is very weak and
Speaker 15: I think it's a very risky action taken today by
Speaker 15: the RBA board. What they've done is they've come out
Speaker 15: today and said our economy needs more employment growth and
Speaker 15: we are going to have because of that more inflation
Speaker 15: or we're going to extend this cost of living crisis.
Speaker 15: They revised up their inflation forecast and they revised up
Speaker 15: their employment forecasts, So they're stimulating the economy while we're
Speaker 15: still in the midst of a cost of living crisis.
Speaker 15: And I'm not sure that's the right judgment.
Speaker 2: Do you think it could push back against inflation?
Speaker 15: Oh, it is, and they have indicated that by pushing
Speaker 15: up their inflation forecast, so the inflation is no longer
Speaker 15: in their two or three year forecast, arise and returning
Speaker 15: to the midpoint of the target band. It's only getting
Speaker 15: down to two point seven. But even that doesn't take
Speaker 15: into consideration all the risks that sit out there, whether
Speaker 15: it's global or internal to Australia. So this is really,
Speaker 15: I think a real it's a really bad policy move,
Speaker 15: and it's not only potentially going to be damaging to
Speaker 15: our economy, but it's certainly got the high potential to
Speaker 15: be damaging to the RBA's reputation, which has already taken
Speaker 15: quite a hit in the pandemic with that that forward
Speaker 15: guidance that was misguided.
Speaker 3: Look, we all have an opinion, but in your words,
Speaker 3: why have they done this today, then.
Speaker 15: Look, I mean it's obviously non economic factors, because I
Speaker 15: can't see why you'd want to stick more inflation into
Speaker 15: an economy like this, after all the inflation we've had.
Speaker 15: The general political interpretation is that the RBA, if they
Speaker 15: didn't cut today, because the expectation was so high that
Speaker 15: the pylon would be so great, and with this election
Speaker 15: campaign coming, that it would just do more damage to
Speaker 15: their reputation. And then the worst one, of course, is
Speaker 15: that it was a direct order from the top from
Speaker 15: the government via the Treasury Secretary that they want to
Speaker 15: change the policy, the bent that is to have more
Speaker 15: employment and more inflation.
Speaker 3: Warren Hogan, thank you for your time. We're out of
Speaker 3: time now. Everyone at home, do not miss tomorrow night's show.
Speaker 3: I've got an exclusive interview with James Packer ahead of
Speaker 3: our Anti Semitism summit.
Speaker 2: James Packer on the show here tomorrow night. I'll see
Speaker 2: you then. And here's Paul Murray