Speaker 1: Lately.
Speaker 2: General, welcome to the Late Debate.
Speaker 3: It's great to have your company on the Late Debate.
Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and freyer Leitch coming
Speaker 3: up tonight. An Italian museum displays a crystal encrusted chair
Speaker 3: with a sign do not sit on it. It's very expensive.
Speaker 3: Will you know exactly what happens? Will show you a
Speaker 3: little later. Plus, when we look at what's making news tomorrow,
Speaker 3: Defense Minister Richard Miles admits what we all know in
Speaker 3: the event of a conflict between China and the USA,
Speaker 3: Australia will be involved, which begs the question what's the
Speaker 3: government doing to prepare? And on the front page of
Speaker 3: Victorian papers tomorrow the government they're announcing tough penalties for
Speaker 3: criminals who boast about their crimes online.
Speaker 1: All of that a.
Speaker 3: Little later, but first, reading people's minds, well it's the
Speaker 3: stuff of science fiction, right, Well, don't be so sure,
Speaker 3: because researchers at Sydney's University of Technology are currently working
Speaker 3: on a way to do it, using MRI scans to
Speaker 3: measure brain activity in response to specific words, and using
Speaker 3: AI to map patterns in the brain. They believe reading
Speaker 3: minds is pretty close to being a thing. And as always,
Speaker 3: all of these things are predicted by the Simpsons.
Speaker 4: I know you can read my thoughts. Bart. Just a
Speaker 4: little reminder, if I find out you cut class, your
Speaker 4: ass is mine. Yes, you heard me, I think words
Speaker 4: I would never say.
Speaker 2: I know you can read my look boy, yum yum
Speaker 2: yum yum yum yum yum yum, yom yom yom yom
Speaker 2: yom yom yom yam.
Speaker 3: Now, if the researchers at Sydney's University of Technology are successful,
Speaker 3: there's some great applications for this.
Speaker 1: Doctor's hope that it.
Speaker 3: Will help, for instance, stroke victims to be able to communicate.
Speaker 3: Business people are hoping that we'll be enabled to operate
Speaker 3: devices such as laptops by simple thinking. But Freyer and Caleb,
Speaker 3: there are always downsides. Can you imagine advertisers would be
Speaker 3: salivating what a thought of knowing the very words to
Speaker 3: use that will trigger your brain. They could advertise directly
Speaker 3: to you and have you buying things without you even
Speaker 3: realizing why you're buying it. And I imagine an overly
Speaker 3: enthusiastic police minister wanting to use this technology to have
Speaker 3: alleged criminals self incriminate by their own thoughts. Caleb, surely
Speaker 3: our brain should be the final frontier of privacy.
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced this is a good idea.
Speaker 5: This could be exceedingly dangerous.
Speaker 6: I'm totally on board with the medical applications for this
Speaker 6: people who are nonverbal. I mean, you know, in the
Speaker 6: same way that we develop cochlear implants for people who
Speaker 6: are deaf, extraordinary technology that allows them to hear. If
Speaker 6: it can assist people in a medical way, I think
Speaker 6: that is totally justified in that research should be done.
Speaker 6: And of course Elon Musk has been getting on board
Speaker 6: with that with his neural link chip.
Speaker 5: That he wants to do.
Speaker 6: But once we've developed that technology for people to use
Speaker 6: for medical purposes, you can bet your bottom dollar unless
Speaker 6: there is regulation in place that prevents it from being
Speaker 6: used for other purposes, it will be used for other purposes.
Speaker 5: And there are people who will voluntarily want to.
Speaker 6: Hook themselves up to things like this, to have computers
Speaker 6: read their thoughts, to have chips implanted in their brains
Speaker 6: that essentially mean they don't have to think about anything
Speaker 6: because the computer chip can tell them exactly what they
Speaker 6: want to know at any given time without having to
Speaker 6: put fingers on a keyboard or open your mouth to
Speaker 6: talk to a text to speech situation. Right, I mean,
Speaker 6: there are people who will want that, but just think
Speaker 6: about the implications of doing so, and the most dangerous
Speaker 6: thing about it all, and the reason I think that
Speaker 6: that application should be banned altogether, regardless of whether or
Speaker 6: not you're willing to take the risk, is imagine if
Speaker 6: people have these things hooked up to their brains, particularly chips,
Speaker 6: and a nefarious actor in another country, let's for instance,
Speaker 6: call them China, manages to hack into the systems to
Speaker 6: which these chips connect, Imagine what they could start doing
Speaker 6: to people's brains. Honestly, that is dangerous and silly and
Speaker 6: we shouldn't allow.
Speaker 7: But you could make the same argument about all sorts
Speaker 7: of new technologies. And the reality is that it looks
Speaker 7: like these brain computer brain interfaces, which is what they're called,
Speaker 7: will be commercialized within the next ten to twenty years,
Speaker 7: and I personally would love to have one.
Speaker 8: I mean, think about it.
Speaker 7: We've gotten through Chinese, I think, so, We've gone from
Speaker 7: it's not a Chinese tip China. We've gone from having
Speaker 7: computers now we have wearables like Apple watches things like that.
Speaker 7: The next logical step is further integration of technology into
Speaker 7: our person, which would be a brain reading computer essentially.
Speaker 8: And yes, there are some security risks, but.
Speaker 7: That's the case with anything, and the potential benefits for
Speaker 7: all grinding in intelligence productivity.
Speaker 8: It'd be great if I.
Speaker 3: Was to sort of instruct my kids as to what
Speaker 3: they should study if they were a bit younger than
Speaker 3: what they currently are, I would totally advise them to
Speaker 3: go into ethical law, that sort of area in human rights,
Speaker 3: because as AI evolves, ethics is going to be the
Speaker 3: number one issue. And as always, ethics comes after these
Speaker 3: things are invented, after they're commercialized, and then people think, oh,
Speaker 3: hang on a second, what about the consequences. I would
Speaker 3: be okay with this if they would pause and say,
Speaker 3: all right, what are the implications. Let's put things in
Speaker 3: place now, because you know, the right to your own
Speaker 3: thoughts could become the number one ethical issue of the
Speaker 3: next couple of decades.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the point you raised earlier about if you
Speaker 7: get charged with the crime, for example, could the police
Speaker 7: then subpoena the records of your brain activity to determine
Speaker 7: what you were thinking to establish intent, or where you
Speaker 7: were or what you were doing. I mean, the implications
Speaker 7: of this are assive and rather scary, but I do
Speaker 7: think it's also quite an exciting technology.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it was to more than two
Speaker 6: years ago now when Elon Musk and another big hitters
Speaker 6: Steve was the co founder of Microsoft big hitters in
Speaker 6: the AI world, came out and said, we need to
Speaker 6: have a moratorium on development of AI technology now and
Speaker 6: seriously think about the.
Speaker 5: Regulation of this before we go any further. And that
Speaker 5: hasn't happened. I mean, we're going head first into this stuff.
Speaker 3: You remember Biden famously put Kamala Harris in chap Oh,
Speaker 3: I know, right in the age of AOL and her seriously,
Speaker 3: I mean she.
Speaker 5: Said, you know, you know what AI is. It's two
Speaker 5: letters ah And she actually said that.
Speaker 6: But you know, if your phone gets hacked, your computer
Speaker 6: gets hacked, you can chuck it in the bin get
Speaker 6: rid of it. If your brain gets hacked, well, thinks
Speaker 6: are somewhat more difficult. Some people who may wish they
Speaker 6: could have their brains hacked, they could learn a thing
Speaker 6: or two. Apparently, is jen Z though a new reporter's
Speaker 6: come out done by you GAV. They did a serve
Speaker 6: for Westinghouse, of course, the manufacturer of white goods, and
Speaker 6: perhaps Westinghouse commissioned this to approve to gen Z why
Speaker 6: they need to buy their products, but will leave that
Speaker 6: to one side. Some of the results of this survey
Speaker 6: are extraordinary, though YouGov was looking into the household competency
Speaker 6: of people aged eighteen to thirty home economics. I suppose
Speaker 6: we used to call it. That's certainly what they called
Speaker 6: it when I was at school anyway, which wasn't all
Speaker 6: that long ago, But I don't know what they call
Speaker 6: it for the kiddies now. But according to this survey,
Speaker 6: Australians aged eighteen to thirty, nearly half of them feel
Speaker 6: unprepared to manage chores. Seventy two percent feel burdened by
Speaker 6: adult responsibilities.
Speaker 5: Or we're all burdened by adult responsibilities.
Speaker 6: I mean, thirty percent have never mowed a lawn, probably
Speaker 6: because they've never lived in a place where they've had
Speaker 6: a lawn they could mow. Twenty six percent have never
Speaker 6: paid all their own household bills, so presumably they're leaning
Speaker 6: on mummy and daddy to help them out with that.
Speaker 5: Cut the strings, will you please?
Speaker 6: Twenty five percent have never had a whole week of
Speaker 6: cooking at home.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know that.
Speaker 6: They must be earning a lot of money these people.
Speaker 6: Twenty four percent have never cleaned an oven. Forty five
Speaker 6: percent don't know what to cook day to day. Get
Speaker 6: a cookbook. The rest of us have done it. Fifty
Speaker 6: one percent skip meals multiple times a week, presumably because
Speaker 6: they haven't been able to work out what to cook.
Speaker 6: I mean, get on TikTok for heaven's say, you can
Speaker 6: find cooking videos on there. Thirty eight percent eat out
Speaker 6: or have take away multiple times a week. And look,
Speaker 6: I'm guilty of that, but it's because I can afford
Speaker 6: to do it, and I like eating at nice restaurants.
Speaker 5: But if you're doing it because.
Speaker 6: You can't work out or don't know how to cook,
Speaker 6: there's something you need to do about that. Thirty nine
Speaker 6: percent take dirty clothes to their parents. I mean, how
Speaker 6: hard is it to use a washing machine? Which brings
Speaker 6: me to the next one. Seventy three percent, so they
Speaker 6: have ruined clothes by not washing or drying them properly.
Speaker 5: Read the instructions.
Speaker 6: People don't they teach literacy at school these days, and
Speaker 6: seventy percent regret not learning more home management before moving out.
Speaker 6: And I'm not surprised having gone through all of those statistics.
Speaker 6: What is wrong with people eighteen to thirty of which
Speaker 6: I am one?
Speaker 5: I mean, I left home. I managed to work out
Speaker 5: how to cook, I managed to work out how.
Speaker 6: To use a washing machine. I managed to work out
Speaker 6: how to clean things. I don't particularly enjoy doing it,
Speaker 6: but you know you've got to do it every now
Speaker 6: and again. I think this is a a We've become
Speaker 6: victims of our own circumstances, right, And part of this
Speaker 6: is the parents, and part of it is the kids.
Speaker 6: We now live in a world where we're constantly distracted.
Speaker 6: So once upon a time, things just had to be
Speaker 6: done and you had no real choice about getting them done,
Speaker 6: and you weren't constantly distracted by your mobile phone or
Speaker 6: a computer or one hundred other gizmos around the house.
Speaker 6: So if the kids were bored, mom and dad said
Speaker 6: go and mow the lawd or do the dishes, you
Speaker 6: found a way to occupy you time. And generally that
Speaker 6: was stuff that had to be done. But because of
Speaker 6: all these conveniences, we now have the dishwashers and the
Speaker 6: washing machines, and the lawn mower that you don't have
Speaker 6: to touch. It's an automatic lawnmower, all the other stuff.
Speaker 6: We don't even know how to do things anymore. So
Speaker 6: parents are not passing skills on to their children because
Speaker 6: they're busy and they've got other stuff to do in
Speaker 6: an economy.
Speaker 5: That's going backwards.
Speaker 6: And then the kids go out into the big bad world,
Speaker 6: and when they actually face the prospect of having to
Speaker 6: do something, they just sit.
Speaker 5: There and look at their phone instead because it's easier.
Speaker 3: That The statistic that most flawed me was thirty percent
Speaker 3: of young people have never mowed the lawn.
Speaker 1: What are their parents doing? The reason you have kids
Speaker 1: is so that you don't have to mow the lawn.
Speaker 2: Get them out there doing it.
Speaker 3: As a couple of things to this one is I
Speaker 3: think a lot of parents treat their kids like their
Speaker 3: friends or their mates. And warning to parents, if you
Speaker 3: treat your kids like friends, you'll end up raising your
Speaker 3: grandchildren yourself, as your kids won't know how to be parents.
Speaker 3: But the other thing is necessity is the mother of invention. Right,
Speaker 3: you don't know what you don't know, and it's when
Speaker 3: you move out of home that suddenly.
Speaker 1: You realize, oh, how do you do that?
Speaker 3: Well, we all figured it out ourselves, and your generation frayer,
Speaker 3: will figure it out themselves as well.
Speaker 1: That's what you do well.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 7: The other factor here to consider is that the rate
Speaker 7: of young adults still living with their parents well into
Speaker 7: their twenties has almost doubled in the last twenty years.
Speaker 7: So not only are parents coddling their children, not teaching
Speaker 7: them these skills to be self reliant, but young people
Speaker 7: are barely even getting the opportunity to use them because
Speaker 7: they're staying at home with their parents for so much longer,
Speaker 7: and so really I think for our generation, adulthood has
Speaker 7: really been delayed significantly. A lot of these milestones, moving out,
Speaker 7: getting married, having a family, they're all.
Speaker 8: Being pushed back now by about twenty years.
Speaker 7: You know, the average age people got married border House
Speaker 7: had children was their early twenties. Now it's their mid thirties.
Speaker 7: So it does raise some interesting concerns. But also on
Speaker 7: a similar note with regards to children, it's not just
Speaker 7: young adults that are struggling, it's young kids as well.
Speaker 7: The Australian early development census is conducted every three years.
Speaker 7: They survey around two hundred and eighty thousand children and
Speaker 7: fifteen thousand teachers, and those kids are in their first
Speaker 7: year of full time school. They're assessed across five domains
Speaker 7: of physical wellbeing, social, emotional, language, general knowledge, et cetera,
Speaker 7: et cetera.
Speaker 8: And what is really disturbing is the rates of children who.
Speaker 7: Are considered developmentally vulnerable is at its highest level since
Speaker 7: two thousand and nine, and it's gone up significantly since
Speaker 7: the survey was last conducted three years ago. Now, some
Speaker 7: of the theories are pandemic, kids not being socialized, they're
Speaker 7: not going to pre school, but it is very concerning
Speaker 7: and one of the one of the startling statistics was
Speaker 7: that apparently one in ten kids now struggle to get
Speaker 7: along with others, so they can't control aggression, they can't
Speaker 7: self regulate emotion.
Speaker 8: If that's how they're.
Speaker 7: Starting school, those issues tend to only compound.
Speaker 8: How are they going to learn properly?
Speaker 7: And if they can't learn properly, they're going to cause
Speaker 7: even more of a trouble in school, and then how
Speaker 7: are they're going to operate through the rest of life.
Speaker 3: I think there's no doubt the pandemic is responsible for
Speaker 3: quite a bit of that, and Education Minister Jason Claire
Speaker 3: pointed that out what depressed me Caleb was then Jason
Speaker 3: Claire said, the answer is more preschool. Send your kids
Speaker 3: to preschool because that will teach them to be emotionally
Speaker 3: resilient and be able to manage their emotions.
Speaker 1: And no, no, it's not preschool.
Speaker 3: The answer is parenting. And I think for parents it's
Speaker 3: not just disciplining behavior. I know my kids had behavioral issues,
Speaker 3: but the thing that always concerns me more than their behavior.
Speaker 3: Because a boil, throw a ball through a window, that's
Speaker 3: going to happen, But it's the attitude that you've got
Speaker 3: to discipline and teach kids to regulate their emotions. If
Speaker 3: you let kids throw tantrums, if you let them start
Speaker 3: to allow their emotions to go out of control and
Speaker 3: don't discipline that, you end up with very unruly teenagers.
Speaker 1: Then you end up with a crime crisis, and then
Speaker 1: you end up with victoria.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think we should be clear as well
Speaker 6: that the children we're talking about here, for the most part,
Speaker 6: children who weren't that affected by COVID, is that the
Speaker 6: children who were most affected by COVID were the ones
Speaker 6: who were already in school and were forming their friendships
Speaker 6: and bonds and then sort of had that cruelly ripped
Speaker 6: away from them. So they're kids who are sort of
Speaker 6: going into high school now. Are any into high school
Speaker 6: that suffered the most through that? We're talking about kids
Speaker 6: who were born basically just before the pandemic, really, and
Speaker 6: on that count, it's not so much the pandemic, which
Speaker 6: is what Jason Clair, the Education Minister, is blaming this on,
Speaker 6: because it's easy for him to point to something over.
Speaker 5: There and go, ah, you know that's the fault of
Speaker 5: all this what's going going on here?
Speaker 6: And I will preface it, I am not a parent,
Speaker 6: so before you come at me for giving you parenting advice,
Speaker 6: I will say that I am not a parent, but
Speaker 6: I do dat a child psychologist, so she has some
Speaker 6: idea about this stuff because she sees it all the time.
Speaker 6: You have a world now where children have devices all
Speaker 6: the time and they are trained to have instant gratification.
Speaker 6: You press a button and something happens. And so when
Speaker 6: you get into a classroom and things are run in
Speaker 6: rather a different way and you have to wait for
Speaker 6: the teacher to tell you what to do, and you
Speaker 6: have to wait for other students to catch up to
Speaker 6: where you have got to, or maybe you're on the
Speaker 6: other end of that. Every now and again, children haven't
Speaker 6: learned how to deal with these things. We mollycoddle children
Speaker 6: these days. We don't give them any responsibility or independence.
Speaker 6: We don't give them the opportunity to learn how to
Speaker 6: deal with problems in life.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not all that long ago.
Speaker 6: The five or six year old would get on their
Speaker 6: bike in the school holidays and bug her off for
Speaker 6: a few hours and Mam would say, be back home
Speaker 6: for tea.
Speaker 5: Doesn't happen anymore, Oh, we're too scared kid's going to
Speaker 5: get abducted.
Speaker 6: So we take all of these rights and responsibilities away
Speaker 6: from children, and they don't learn how to actually interact
Speaker 6: with the world and regulate themselves and deal with when
Speaker 6: things go wrong and they fall off the bike and
Speaker 6: mom goes, well, that was a bit silly, wasn't it.
Speaker 5: That doesn't happen, ah, You like, the kids just don't
Speaker 5: learn how to deal with the world. And then we
Speaker 5: are surprised they.
Speaker 6: Go off to school and they can't regulate their emotions
Speaker 6: or how to operate in a social setting.
Speaker 1: We've done it to them, unfortunately, Yeah, we absolutely have.
Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts guys on a new
Speaker 3: law in California where one particular government area is making
Speaker 3: it effectively illegal to be homeless. What they've decided is
Speaker 3: that if you're a homeless person and you've been offered
Speaker 3: not once, but three times the options of various accommodation,
Speaker 3: and you decline that offer, then it will be possible
Speaker 3: for you to be jailed. Pam Foley from who's the
Speaker 3: Vice mayor of San Jose said, we can't expect to
Speaker 3: adequately treat mental illness, addiction, or unemployment effectively if someone.
Speaker 1: Is living outdoors.
Speaker 3: Stable shelter, whether through intram housing, safe parking, or safe
Speaker 3: sleeping sites, not only connects people with critical services and
Speaker 3: job training, but ultimately paves the way towards permanent housing. Now,
Speaker 3: in this particular district, there are nine hundred and three
Speaker 3: known people to be homeless. Of those nine hundred people,
Speaker 3: about a third of them reports psychotic conditions. So a
Speaker 3: lot of these people, not all, but fully a third
Speaker 3: of these people are mentally unstable. Living on the streets
Speaker 3: it's in the interests of the city to clean up
Speaker 3: these encampments that you can see on your screen, which
Speaker 3: are not only an I saw, but as you can imagine,
Speaker 3: would encourage crime. They're not safe spaces. So it's in
Speaker 3: the interests of the city. But I would argue it's
Speaker 3: also in the interests of people to remove them from
Speaker 3: living on the streets. It might sound inhumane and freyer,
Speaker 3: it's been argued it's in humane to lock people up
Speaker 3: for being homeless, But if.
Speaker 1: You've got people who repeatedly refuse.
Speaker 3: Accommodation, then I think it's inhumane to leave them on
Speaker 3: the streets, particularly if they're drug affected or beset by
Speaker 3: some sort of mental illness exactly.
Speaker 7: And they're calling this the responsibility to shelter. And also
Speaker 7: keep in mind they're not going to be arrested if
Speaker 7: there aren't enough beds available, So they have to have
Speaker 7: rejected shelter three times and there has to actually be
Speaker 7: a bed available for them. So I don't see I
Speaker 7: think this is a very valid consideration. And I also
Speaker 7: think the other factor is, I mean, you just can't
Speaker 7: have these sorts of permanent encampments that are cropping up,
Speaker 7: not just here, but around the US, and we're seeing
Speaker 7: it a little bit in Australia. Obviously, we have a
Speaker 7: genuine housing crisis and there are many people who simply
Speaker 7: cannot afford to put a roof over their heads.
Speaker 8: I'm not talking about.
Speaker 7: Those people, but I'm talking about people who choose to
Speaker 7: live on the streets, and.
Speaker 8: That is quite a common thing.
Speaker 7: A lot of the homeless people you'll see, especially around Sydney,
Speaker 7: do have temporary shelter, do have council housing, but choose
Speaker 7: to be on the streets because they prefer it. They
Speaker 7: have mental health issues, they don't like their neighbors, a
Speaker 7: whole range of issues. But is it really the responsibility
Speaker 7: for every other citizen to have to compromise their.
Speaker 8: Safety put up with this in their streets. I don't
Speaker 8: think so.
Speaker 7: It does seem a bit harsh, but I think they're
Speaker 7: cleaning up the streets and it's good.
Speaker 5: I think it's a balancing act.
Speaker 6: Insofar as if you've got large encampments, there's clearly a problem.
Speaker 6: You can't have a public park just turning to a
Speaker 6: homeless center essentially, so you have to do something about that.
Speaker 5: I understand that if you have a mental.
Speaker 6: Health issue that poses a risk to the public, then
Speaker 6: you ought to be detained on mental health grounds anyway,
Speaker 6: So nothing to do with whether you're homeless or not.
Speaker 6: And I think in today's world we not to do
Speaker 6: that because we're too scared to admit that some people
Speaker 6: have mental health issues that is dangerous to them and
Speaker 6: other people, and we wait until things go really bad.
Speaker 5: So I think that's more than just homeless people.
Speaker 6: There are lots of people with mental health issues that
Speaker 6: ought to be detained for their own safety.
Speaker 5: But there are a lot of people who choose to.
Speaker 6: Live on the streets and not necessarily in encampments because
Speaker 6: the other options they have are awful. And my father
Speaker 6: has worked as a council gardener for most of my
Speaker 6: life in a capital city and has dealt with homeless
Speaker 6: people through his whole working life and knows them and
Speaker 6: talks to them every day because he sees.
Speaker 5: Them every day.
Speaker 6: They live in his park on benches or whatever. Most
Speaker 6: of them are generally harmless people, and when he says them,
Speaker 6: why do you live here, I'll say, well, they come
Speaker 6: along and they offer me some accommodation in a hostel
Speaker 6: or some joint and I go into this hostel which
Speaker 6: is full of drag addled people and they steal all
Speaker 6: my property and whatever, so I don't want to be there.
Speaker 6: I'd much that's rather as dumb as it seems, live
Speaker 6: on a park bench than with a roof over my head,
Speaker 6: because for whatever's reason, I don't have a lot of money,
Speaker 6: and this is where I've ended up.
Speaker 5: If you're not causing.
Speaker 6: Any danger to anyone, and you're not in the way,
Speaker 6: and you sort of pack up your stuff in the
Speaker 6: day and go about your business, I don't particularly.
Speaker 5: Care leave them alone.
Speaker 6: If you've got large encampments, I understand the need to
Speaker 6: move them on, but the mental health aspect is the
Speaker 6: biggest one. And if they're people who are a danger
Speaker 6: to society, don't matter whether they're homeless, they should be
Speaker 6: in a funny farm.
Speaker 1: So I agree with you. The mental health aspect is
Speaker 1: a big one.
Speaker 3: And if you've walked through a major capital city in
Speaker 3: this country, I'm thinking particularly Melbourne and Sydney, which I
Speaker 3: have even during the day. I'm not just talking about
Speaker 3: at night. It's shocking the number of people who are
Speaker 3: clearly mentally unwell, who are doing all sorts of weird things,
Speaker 3: saying all sorts of yelling out, all sorts.
Speaker 1: Of weird things. It's a major problem.
Speaker 3: And I think if you've got people who have been
Speaker 3: offered accommodate, I take your point that sometimes you might
Speaker 3: find accommodation that is just for whatever reason, you're better
Speaker 3: off on the street. But if you're offered not one,
Speaker 3: not two, but three options and you decline all of them,
Speaker 3: there has to be a point where governments say, you
Speaker 3: know what, we can't have you on the storde.
Speaker 5: And the other thing as well.
Speaker 6: In Australia, I don't know what it's like in the
Speaker 6: United States, what this system is over there. Have a
Speaker 6: look at the waiting list for public housing in this country.
Speaker 6: I mean the last check I know in South Australia alone,
Speaker 6: which has only got two million people, they had a.
Speaker 5: Fifty thousand head weight for public housing.
Speaker 6: And this is people who obviously, you know, can't afford
Speaker 6: to buy a place on their own and are desperate
Speaker 6: for something and they just.
Speaker 5: Can't get hold of it. What a terrible position we
Speaker 5: find ourselves in. And onto a.
Speaker 6: Well should we call it a strange story out of Victoria,
Speaker 6: where a lot of strange stories seem to come from
Speaker 6: Trinity Grammar, a very prestigious school in Melbourne, decided that
Speaker 6: they would have a Pride Week assembly.
Speaker 5: Apparently they do this every year. Now I don't know
Speaker 5: why an Anglican.
Speaker 6: School is having a Pride Week assembly, but go they
Speaker 6: choose to do this, and they have a keynote speaker
Speaker 6: who comes out every year, and this year it was
Speaker 6: a bloke by the name of Basim Kurbitch. He's Palestinian,
Speaker 6: as you can see there from the kefia around his neck.
Speaker 6: He's a pride activist and he came along and gave
Speaker 6: a pep talk to these boys about how it's okay
Speaker 6: to be gay, etc. And the point of this is
Speaker 6: to apparently promote diversity of thought and sexuality.
Speaker 5: Et cetera.
Speaker 6: But during the course of this talk, he talked about
Speaker 6: various things, including that you should visualize your goals, and
Speaker 6: he encouraged students in the room to look up visualize
Speaker 6: your goals, which many of the boys in the room
Speaker 6: then later did, which led them to his Instagram page
Speaker 6: where they found, and I'm sorry to subject you to this,
Speaker 6: they found a video of him putting a sex toy
Speaker 6: in his mouth under a task called quote unquote a
Speaker 6: dildo hand job challenge, not words.
Speaker 5: I ever thought I would be reading out on this program,
Speaker 5: But there you go.
Speaker 6: I mean, what on earth is an Anglican school having
Speaker 6: a pride assembly in the first place, but inviting a
Speaker 6: chap along who posts that sort of content on social media,
Speaker 6: surely knowing that boys would go and look up his
Speaker 6: social media and then share this stuff around the school.
Speaker 5: What is it that you lead into my school?
Speaker 3: Well, the Anglican school, I'll tell you how they invited
Speaker 3: this chap They rang the government funded Pride Center.
Speaker 1: Who recommended this guy.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, obviously you'd call the Pride Center if
Speaker 3: you're an Anglican college charging our parents forty two thousand
Speaker 3: dollars a year for your year seven to ten boys
Speaker 3: who were in this assembly to be part of Pride week.
Speaker 3: The Pride Center said, not our fault. We weren't asked
Speaker 3: to vet the speaker's social media. You were just asking
Speaker 3: us who would a good speaker be. And so the
Speaker 3: school blames the Pride Center, the Pride Center blames the school,
Speaker 3: and the boys are rather upset and their parents, prayer
Speaker 3: are furious.
Speaker 8: I mean rightfully.
Speaker 7: So one of the parents said, I pay good money
Speaker 7: to send my child to a Christian school, I expect
Speaker 7: them to uphold Christian values. I don't see how having
Speaker 7: an annual Pride assembly is really upholding Christian values. And
Speaker 7: then the other serious question is that you've got a
Speaker 7: Palestinian Arab Pride activist who has repeatedly criticized Israel for
Speaker 7: their record on LGBTQ issues while worshiping other Arab countries,
Speaker 7: including Gaza. It's like, mate, how do you think LGBT
Speaker 7: people are treated in Gaza? I mean, Palestinians are actually
Speaker 7: able to seek refuge in Israel if they're gay, because
Speaker 7: they're treated so appallingly under Hamas and the Palestinian authority.
Speaker 7: But of course that wasn't given a look at it,
Speaker 7: and none of the parents seemed complaining about that.
Speaker 3: The other thing in this the school, when you invite
Speaker 3: a speaker to come and give a presumably, as you said,
Speaker 3: it's a speech about well, it was actually about different
Speaker 3: forms of love, so that was the topic of the speech.
Speaker 3: But when you get the speaker rock up wearing a
Speaker 3: kefia in the current environment, now wear a kefia if
Speaker 3: you want knock yourself out. But when the speaker at
Speaker 3: the year seven to year ten boys assembly comes.
Speaker 1: Wearing a kefia. Wouldn't you, as a school principal or
Speaker 1: deputy say.
Speaker 5: We might be going into an dangerous territory. It would
Speaker 5: be a hint, wouldn't you would think so?
Speaker 6: But why I just can't get my head around why
Speaker 6: they would want this fella or anyone else to come
Speaker 6: and talk about pride to a Christian school in the
Speaker 6: first place.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know you can do it all in
Speaker 5: about twenty seconds flat.
Speaker 6: Stand up and say, look, the Bible has its teachings
Speaker 6: about homosexuality, but love thy neighbor, etc. Do unto others
Speaker 6: as you would have done under you take any more
Speaker 6: than that. You don't need to have someone come in
Speaker 6: and give a lecture in a Christian school about being
Speaker 6: gay or whatever or whatever.
Speaker 5: These videos are that he puts.
Speaker 6: Up online like you can do it in ten seconds
Speaker 6: flat to tell people treat other people nicely.
Speaker 5: It's as simbil as that isn't it.
Speaker 7: It is so outrageous and just another example really of
Speaker 7: how schools and our education system has become so ideological
Speaker 7: and politicized, even at elite Christian schools, but also down
Speaker 7: in Victoria.
Speaker 8: Another very disturbing story.
Speaker 7: A sixty two year old man has been brutally beaten
Speaker 7: by a former immigration detainee freed under.
Speaker 8: A High Court decision.
Speaker 7: This was the allegedly he was allegedly beaten, I should
Speaker 7: say this was under the NZYQ decision, where one hundred
Speaker 7: and forty nine detainees were released after the High Court
Speaker 7: found it was unconstitutional to indefinitely hold people in immigration
Speaker 7: to ten. A number of those free detainees have allegedly
Speaker 7: gone on to reoffend and commit further crimes, and this
Speaker 7: one just today is absolutely abhorrent. A poor sixty two
Speaker 7: year old man just going about his day was brutally
Speaker 7: beaten on the sidewalk, allegedly had his head kicked in
Speaker 7: by this release detainee.
Speaker 8: How many more lives have to be.
Speaker 7: Destroyed because of Labour's incompetence They bungled this entire process.
Speaker 7: Labor had the opportunity to issue preventative detention orders.
Speaker 8: To take these people back in.
Speaker 7: This alleged detainee who allegedly stumped his head in, also
Speaker 7: had charges laid against him over taking off the ankle
Speaker 7: bracelet and violating his visa conditions. Those were dropped there
Speaker 7: have been just moments after moments when Labor could have
Speaker 7: rain taking control of this situation, and they failed to,
Speaker 7: and now it looks like someone has died.
Speaker 3: The former detainee charged with this crime was previously arrested
Speaker 3: for removing his ankle bracelet, and of course the High
Speaker 3: Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to require people to
Speaker 3: wear those sort of tracking devices. I would have thought,
Speaker 3: if you're the government and you think we've released someone
Speaker 3: in the community, we've asked them, we're an ankle bracelet,
Speaker 3: so you're not at risk. They remove that at the
Speaker 3: time unlawfully. Later on the High Court changes that decision.
Speaker 3: But the government wouldn't they say, this is a person
Speaker 3: who clearly doesn't want to follow the law, and Labor
Speaker 3: passed legislation to be able to redatain.
Speaker 1: People who they thought would be a threat.
Speaker 3: If you are blatantly just flying in the face of
Speaker 3: court orders or government instructions, such as wearing the bracelet,
Speaker 3: wouldn't you think this is a person who's not going
Speaker 3: to abide by the law, let's redetain them. To the
Speaker 3: best of my knowledge, they haven't redetained anybody. And as
Speaker 3: he said, for one in five now it is I
Speaker 3: think of these former detainees have gone on to commit
Speaker 3: fresh crimes.
Speaker 1: As labor have allowed them into the community.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and this bloke acident, let's not call him a bloke,
Speaker 6: Let's call him a scumbag, because that's what he is.
Speaker 6: Was jailed for domestic violence for a year. That's how
Speaker 6: he then ended up in detention in the first place,
Speaker 6: and he pleaded guilty to that offense and then said
Speaker 6: that he didn't do it. So I think we've already
Speaker 6: got a taste for the fact that he doesn't have
Speaker 6: a great deal of regard for the law. So notwithstanding
Speaker 6: the crime that he is now charged with, he's not
Speaker 6: the sort of bloke that should be in this country.
Speaker 6: But we know the decision that the High Court made
Speaker 6: under NZYQ. So the way we get around that is
Speaker 6: that the government came up with laws that allowed them
Speaker 6: to redetain people that they thought were a risk to
Speaker 6: the public. And to my knowledge, they've not used those
Speaker 6: laws once. What was the point of coming up with
Speaker 6: those laws if you weren't going to use them. We
Speaker 6: thought it was going to be about protecting the public.
Speaker 5: You didn't do it.
Speaker 6: Now we have a charge against a detainee for and
Speaker 6: horrific crime.
Speaker 5: I mean, these things should have been dealt with a very.
Speaker 6: Long time ago, and they will come up again, and
Speaker 6: they will come up again, and they will come up again.
Speaker 6: But I don't think the federal government particularly matters at
Speaker 6: this cares sorry about this matter at this point.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they don't.
Speaker 3: And reading this story today, I almost yawned because it's
Speaker 3: become so familion.
Speaker 1: We've heard this story so many times and.
Speaker 3: Yet it is absolutely outrageous every single instance speaking of
Speaker 3: government's bundling crime and trying to control it. The Victorian
Speaker 3: government have come up with another hairbrain scheme to tackle
Speaker 3: the crime crisis. They're going to make it illegal for
Speaker 3: certain criminals or gangsters to use more than one phone
Speaker 3: and to use encrypted services the policemen. To Anthony Carbines
Speaker 3: said today, any criminals who think they can dodge the
Speaker 3: law with multiple phones can think again.
Speaker 1: In two months, that's right, not now, not in a week,
Speaker 1: not in a month, but.
Speaker 3: Two months from now, the Victorian government will legislate so
Speaker 3: that police can remove multiple phones from people they deem
Speaker 3: a threat. In terms of organized crime, this smacks of
Speaker 3: the machete law that was instituted by the same government
Speaker 3: just recently.
Speaker 1: It's got some great similarities.
Speaker 3: Firstly, they instituted a ban on machetes that will take
Speaker 3: place in September. Of course, they quickly ran through a
Speaker 3: little bit of that legislation a few weeks ago after
Speaker 3: a machete attack in a shopping center. But again, the
Speaker 3: Victorian government may badly needed laws that will come into
Speaker 3: effect a little later. It begs the question, if the
Speaker 3: Victorian government are so tough on crime, why didn't they
Speaker 3: do this years ago, If it's not right to allow
Speaker 3: gangsters to have multiple phones, and they only just realized
Speaker 3: that yesterday rather than a couple of years ago. And
Speaker 3: of course, do we really think that gangsters, when told
Speaker 3: by Victorian police you can only have one phone, or
Speaker 3: will remove your phone completely, will not five minutes later
Speaker 3: arrange for another phone.
Speaker 5: I'm sure they will.
Speaker 6: But the point of the law is that you can
Speaker 6: then doll out a higher punishment for having the phone.
Speaker 5: It's the same as far arm prohibition.
Speaker 3: Orders require trust in Victorian courts to actually uphold the law.
Speaker 6: Well, sure, but having a law. Having a law is
Speaker 6: better than no law as far as I'm concerned. It's
Speaker 6: the same as far arm prohibition orders. I mean, you
Speaker 6: can't tell me the around people walking around, and they
Speaker 6: have FPOs across the country. Every state has their own
Speaker 6: version of them. You can't tell me the around people
Speaker 6: with the FPOs not owning guns. But if they get
Speaker 6: caught with the guns, they will face serious penalties for
Speaker 6: doing so, so that the point of the law is
Speaker 6: not necessarily to prevent them in the first instance from
Speaker 6: getting the phone, because they can run the risk of
Speaker 6: getting the phone if they want. But if they are
Speaker 6: found with a second phone, we can hit you with
Speaker 6: a heavy penalty.
Speaker 5: And I think that's fair enough.
Speaker 6: Notwithstanding the fact they could have done this yesterday, or
Speaker 6: they could have done it five years ago, or they
Speaker 6: could have done it twenty years ago, because of course
Speaker 6: Victoria was the home of Underbilly right, there are many
Speaker 6: points at which they could have done this. But as
Speaker 6: far as I'm concerned, they shouldn't be allowed to have
Speaker 6: phones at all. If you've been proven to be a
Speaker 6: bikey gangster, whatever, go the whole hog and ban them
Speaker 6: from having any kind of communication to us.
Speaker 7: Well, that would be the ideal, But the problem is,
Speaker 7: as James said, how on earth do you do it.
Speaker 7: You can just walk into any Apple store and buy
Speaker 7: a phone. So do we now require people to have
Speaker 7: identification to prove that they're not a criminal when they
Speaker 7: buy a phone.
Speaker 8: I mean, you just can't do that.
Speaker 5: You need ID to get a simcar, don't you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well oh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, But the problem is you can do online messaging
Speaker 7: forums that are often encrypted, and that's how a lot
Speaker 7: of these organized crime gangs are really being operated.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, well we'll see how they go.
Speaker 3: I take your point. Whatever you do to crack down
Speaker 3: on crime, fair enough. But for the Victorian government, and
Speaker 3: they've been doing a lot of this, they've been grand
Speaker 3: standing tough on crime, tough on crime because clearly just
Speaker 3: senta Ellen knows this is a massive issue, and so
Speaker 3: all of a sudden she is all about being tough
Speaker 3: on criminals.
Speaker 1: And I just think anyone who buys this, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, well.
Speaker 5: They'll be buying more phones'll be what they're doing very quickly.
Speaker 6: Before we get to the break, they're changing the rules
Speaker 6: for the Reserve Bank when they make decisions about the
Speaker 6: interest rate for the first time ever. Now this has
Speaker 6: been agreed to by the Treasurer and the Reserve Bank
Speaker 6: Governor Michelle Bullock.
Speaker 5: They will reveal the vote count.
Speaker 6: It won't have names next to it, so it's not
Speaker 6: going to be ratting anyone out for the way they voted,
Speaker 6: but we will for the first time be able to
Speaker 6: see what the actual vote was, whether to keep the
Speaker 6: infstrate on hold or to move it up or.
Speaker 5: To move it down. I think fair enough.
Speaker 6: Anything that is done to promote transparency and in a
Speaker 6: way of looking at the way the system works, I
Speaker 6: think is a good thing.
Speaker 5: It's good for us to see whether or not these.
Speaker 6: Are unanimous decisions or ones that were very close, because
Speaker 6: it gives an idea of how the RBA works, and
Speaker 6: I think that's earning a good step.
Speaker 7: I think the risk here, though, is that we have
Speaker 7: seen repeated moves from Jim Chalmers to.
Speaker 8: Restructure the RBA.
Speaker 7: In fact, the reforms he's introduced are the most radical
Speaker 7: since the RBA was created. And these reforms all sort
Speaker 7: of lead in the direction of removing or whittling down
Speaker 7: slowly their independence through more hand picks to go onto
Speaker 7: the board. And also he said that putting union members
Speaker 7: on the board of the RBA is not a controversial
Speaker 7: proposal at all, and other economists are actually saying this
Speaker 7: reform doesn't go far enough. We should list names as
Speaker 7: well of how board members voted, which I think sets
Speaker 7: us down even further. This path of politicizing the RBA,
Speaker 7: and we've already seen a bit of that in the election.
Speaker 7: Chalmers does not want to take responsibility for inflation. He
Speaker 7: tries to blame the RBA, and this will entrench that.
Speaker 3: Think when Jim Chalmer says this is not political, this
Speaker 3: is about transparency, you can be sure it's political.
Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break.
Speaker 3: When we come back, look at what's making news to borrow,
Speaker 3: including warnings that Australian needs to prepare for war.
Speaker 1: A't siting just a moment.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the program. Well, some incredible stories in
Speaker 3: tomorrow's newspapers. We're going to have a look at them tonight.
Speaker 3: Calub we've got the Australian.
Speaker 5: Indeed, it says US China war we would be in.
Speaker 6: Acting Prime Minister Richard Marles says the nation will inevitably
Speaker 6: be drawn into a US China conflict, with the continent
Speaker 6: now more relevant than ever to the contest between the
Speaker 6: world's great powers. As America ratchets up its military presence
Speaker 6: on Australian soil. The stark warning came as the Chief
Speaker 6: of Defense Force, David Johnston, said Australians needed to prepare
Speaker 6: for more regular Chinese naval exercises off the nation's coastline,
Speaker 6: as Beijing's powerful navy owns its war plans.
Speaker 5: I mean that is the most directly.
Speaker 6: This has been put to us thus far, that we
Speaker 6: will end up in a war, and all the modeling
Speaker 6: and whatever out of the US in particular has been
Speaker 6: that at this point, now, by the end of the decade,
Speaker 6: it's likely that there will be some kind of major
Speaker 6: conflict with China, probably them going into Taiwan, and if
Speaker 6: that draws in the United States, which would be highly likely,
Speaker 6: it would then draw in necessarily Australia and the United
Speaker 6: Kingdom and Canada, etc. We are heading towards war. It
Speaker 6: is now clearly admitted by the government.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting admission by the Defense Minister, because Anthony
Speaker 3: Albernezi has been very coy about suggesting that there's any
Speaker 3: sort of remote possibility of conflict. But of course Richard
Speaker 3: Miles was at a defense symposium where other speakers were
Speaker 3: very blunt about what Australia is facing. Former US National
Speaker 3: Security advisor, former General hr McMaster said, quote unquote, China
Speaker 3: is preparing for war and they're probing signs of weakness
Speaker 3: in Western nations, and Radia should be quote unquote very
Speaker 3: concerned about what's coming. So I think that Richard Miles
Speaker 3: didn't have much option but to admit what everybody knows
Speaker 3: privately and to say it out loud.
Speaker 1: And they do need to talk about it because otherwise
Speaker 1: you have.
Speaker 3: A public who are completely unprepared in the event that
Speaker 3: all of a sudden we're involved in a major conflict
Speaker 3: and big sacrifices have to be made.
Speaker 7: But this is so embarrassing for Anthony Albanesi for your
Speaker 7: Defense minister to be saying we're going to war soon,
Speaker 7: and then the Prime Minister to be saying we're going
Speaker 7: to be neutral third party negotiating between China and the US.
Speaker 7: We don't want to take sides too early. I mean,
Speaker 7: do they realize how out of sync they are?
Speaker 6: Well, it's funny how Richard Miles seems to get things
Speaker 6: done when Anthony Albanizi.
Speaker 5: Is out of the country, to be true, because the
Speaker 5: last one I remember.
Speaker 6: Was during the n zyq business and he was acting
Speaker 6: Prime Minister, and the coalition came in with a bunch
Speaker 6: of amendments to the legislation that was going to be
Speaker 6: put through in order to get these people redetained, and
Speaker 6: Richard Marles had it all fixed in five minutes flat,
Speaker 6: which I don't think would have happened if.
Speaker 5: Albow was there on the day.
Speaker 6: But while we're talking about defense and how we're likely
Speaker 6: heading towards war with China, other story on the front
Speaker 6: of the OS that well tells us exactly how well
Speaker 6: that might go. Lack of certainty on defense spend a
Speaker 6: super dilemma. A lack of certainty around defense spending plans
Speaker 6: is preventing investment in Australia's military industrial base, especially from
Speaker 6: the four point two trillion dollars superannuation industry, says South
Speaker 6: Australian Premier Peter Malanowskis as preasure builds on the Albanzy
Speaker 6: government to increase defense spending as a percentage of GDP.
Speaker 6: Industry participants say greater commitment on contracts is needed, especially
Speaker 6: if the government's calls for superannuation funds to participate are met.
Speaker 5: Once again. It proves how far behind the eight.
Speaker 2: Ball we are.
Speaker 6: And once again it takes either Chris Mins or Peter
Speaker 6: Malinowskis the two most sensible labor leaders in this country
Speaker 6: to call out exactly how bad a state we are in.
Speaker 3: It's funny, isn't the government always going on about investment certainty.
Speaker 3: Business needs investment, certainly when it comes.
Speaker 1: To their pet project renewables, but.
Speaker 3: When it comes to defending the country, investment certainty is
Speaker 3: nowhere to be found.
Speaker 7: And also how they always seem to turn to superannuation
Speaker 7: as the thing that's going to save Australia. Who's going
Speaker 7: to buy the Port of Darwin's superannuation, Who's going to
Speaker 7: build all the renewables superannuation? Who's going to save our
Speaker 7: defense superannuation? But super is just our money, so it's
Speaker 7: another way of using our money to fix their problems.
Speaker 7: But let's move on to the Herald Son now. Speaking
Speaker 7: of we spoke about youth crime earlier. They've finally introduced
Speaker 7: some new laws around post and boast. You'll pay dangerous
Speaker 7: criminals who share videos of violent home invasions, carjackings and
Speaker 7: stolen card joy rides online will cop an extra two
Speaker 7: years behind bars with the Victorian government and set to introduce.
Speaker 8: Tough post and boast laws.
Speaker 7: The Alan Government will today announce the introduction of this
Speaker 7: specific offense for bragging about crimes online that will keep
Speaker 7: thugs in jail for longer. I mean initially when I
Speaker 7: read this, I thought, wow, Victoria's finally doing something about
Speaker 7: youth crime. But actually New South Wales introduced these laws
Speaker 7: last year. Queensland has already introduced these laws, and the
Speaker 7: Northern Territory as well, So once again Victoria is lagging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good law.
Speaker 3: It's just amazing it hadn't been implemented a lot earlier,
Speaker 3: particularly when you.
Speaker 1: Look at all what's going on in Victoria.
Speaker 6: Well there's a state election next year, sir, you know,
Speaker 6: get your skates on exactly right.
Speaker 7: Another story in the Herald Sun, the headline is Albo's
Speaker 7: aids fly high. Aid senior bureaucrats inside Anthony Albanese's Prime
Speaker 7: Minister and Cabinet department with membership to the exclusive Quantus
Speaker 7: Chairman's lounge enjoyed almost ninety fly over a year, with
Speaker 7: an independent senator claiming the continued acceptance of gifts by
Speaker 7: politicians and staff was deeply concerning I don't want politicians
Speaker 7: or bureaucrats to, you know, not have a pleasant experience.
Speaker 7: They work hard, they should be rewarded for that. But
Speaker 7: I think the challenge comes in when these are the
Speaker 7: same people who are making billion dollar decisions around flight timetables,
Speaker 7: which airlines can operate in Australia, and then they're getting
Speaker 7: free perks on the side.
Speaker 8: It doesn't exactly stack up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've got to ask yourself, do Quantus give these
Speaker 3: chairmen's lounge passes just out of.
Speaker 1: The goodness of their hearts?
Speaker 3: Or is there a hope that, you know, when push
Speaker 3: comes to shove, Quantus will be looked on favorably. I
Speaker 3: think we all know how human nature works, and the
Speaker 3: Independent Senator is right, it's deeply of course.
Speaker 6: And I mean there are some people I know of
Speaker 6: in entertainment and media who do have membership to the
Speaker 6: Chairman's Lounge. I'm not one of them, but I would,
Speaker 6: you know, without trying to be too egotistical about it,
Speaker 6: I'm far more recognizable than any of these people who
Speaker 6: would work for.
Speaker 5: The Prime Minister.
Speaker 6: So when you're making a decision about who do you
Speaker 6: admit to the chairman's Lounge, it's who can I get
Speaker 6: the most influence out of who is it most worth
Speaker 6: having in the lounge to get towards the decisions that
Speaker 6: can be made. So if you are the top of
Speaker 6: the tree when it comes to media in this country,
Speaker 6: you might get an invitation in there. Or if you
Speaker 6: happen to be a faceless back room person, a bureaucrat
Speaker 6: who works in the Prime Minister's department, but someone who
Speaker 6: gives advice to the Prime minister, will you're in for
Speaker 6: membership of the Chairman's lounge.
Speaker 5: I think that tells you why they give the memberships.
Speaker 3: But it will continue to happen because most politicians enjoy it.
Speaker 3: So I don't see that they're going to vote to
Speaker 3: not be part of that club. Let's go to the
Speaker 3: Newcastle Herald. Wind knocked out of sales, reads the headline.
Speaker 3: Of course, this is in reference to Labour's green fantasies.
Speaker 3: Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen has ruled out
Speaker 3: adding more project to the Hunter offshore wind Zone, a
Speaker 3: move that reflects growing uncertainty about the offshore wind industry's future.
Speaker 3: This comes as Norwegian energy giant Equinor continues to deliberate
Speaker 3: on whether to take up a feasibility license for the
Speaker 3: Novocastrian Wind project, which aimed to generate two gigwats of
Speaker 3: offshore renewable energy. By the way, this same company declined
Speaker 3: to take up the offer in the Illawarra zone, where
Speaker 3: a feasibility.
Speaker 1: License has still not yet been issued.
Speaker 3: The Labor government ANOWT six offshore wind zones that would
Speaker 3: be crucial for them providing the power that we need,
Speaker 3: and energy companies are very reluctant to take them up
Speaker 3: without massive government subsidies, which should tell you something.
Speaker 6: Indeed, let's just get rid of it all, I think
Speaker 6: is probably what it's telling us. But I don't think
Speaker 6: mister Bowen will be going down that line very quickly.
Speaker 5: Before we get to the break.
Speaker 6: Tragic story on the front of the Mercury down in
Speaker 6: Tasmania tomorrow.
Speaker 5: It'says killed in line of duty.
Speaker 6: Tasmania's lead have called Monday a dark day after a
Speaker 6: well respected and seasoned police officer was shot and killed
Speaker 6: in the line of duty, the first fatal police shooting
Speaker 6: in the state in twenty six years. The officer was
Speaker 6: executing a court issued warrant to repossess the home when
Speaker 6: police say the resident opened fire.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, the police do a lot of great.
Speaker 6: Work in this country and we should never forget the
Speaker 6: family and friends they have. Don't think when their family
Speaker 6: and friend Copper wakes up in the morning that they're
Speaker 6: not going to come home alive. But sometimes these things
Speaker 6: happen when they are simply doing their jobs.
Speaker 5: What an awful case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, well, we're going to go to a break.
Speaker 3: When we come back, you will know what happens when
Speaker 3: people see a sign saying fresh paint, don't touch.
Speaker 1: So what do you think happens in a museum.
Speaker 3: When a priceless crystal incrusted chair has a sign attached
Speaker 3: saying don't sit down.
Speaker 1: You know what happens.
Speaker 3: Will show you after the break. All right, welcome back
Speaker 3: to the program. We've got our dope of the day, Freyo.
Speaker 8: Let's hear it for our dope of the day.
Speaker 7: A pair of tourists at a museum in Italy were
Speaker 7: caught on security footage sitting on a chair that had
Speaker 7: a big sign do not touch. This was a crystal
Speaker 7: Swarovsky crystal encrusted chair, and they specifically waited for security
Speaker 7: to leave before making them move. Obviously, they immediately realized
Speaker 7: we've messed up, and they fled the scene. And now
Speaker 7: the museum is looking for tips to find this mystery couple.
Speaker 1: This incident happened in April.
Speaker 3: The museum have only just released the footage a to
Speaker 3: try and find who wasn't that destroyed this priceless piece
Speaker 3: of art, but also as a warning to future tourists,
Speaker 3: maybe just look at the exhibits.
Speaker 5: Don't touch like they should have put something around round it.
Speaker 6: I suspect because you're right, James, when you said earlier
Speaker 6: that it's like, you know, don't touch you when it's
Speaker 6: almost encouraging people to go and do it. It's meant
Speaker 6: to be a tribute to Van Go's chair painting, of course,
Speaker 6: the total opposite of his painting, which was far more
Speaker 6: to day. It was a wooden chair, this one covered
Speaker 6: in this were obsky crystals, but.
Speaker 1: It was helped to going to buy tinfoil.
Speaker 6: I know, come on, people, can we just follow the
Speaker 6: rules for the sake of everyone else?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 6: Today is not only has Paul told you in his
Speaker 6: program the day that ten years ago Donald Trump descended
Speaker 6: down the escalator to tell us he was going to
Speaker 6: run for president.
Speaker 5: It's National Vigiamte Day. We all remember this.
Speaker 2: Ad today more than ever. Bgier might help, might yeast
Speaker 2: extract with all the goodness of those essential B Group vitamins.
Speaker 5: I love veggie Mate, what about you lot?
Speaker 3: I just remember that ad from nineteen eighty. I'm thinking
Speaker 3: where all the mobile phones?
Speaker 7: I don't remember that ad from nineteen eighty, but I
Speaker 7: love it anyway, and I love Veggiemite.
Speaker 3: That's all we've got time for is stick around? Coming
Speaker 3: up is the Read a Penny Show.
Speaker 1: Good Night,