WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 16 June 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:00.400 Lately. 0:00:01.160 --> 0:00:04.640 General, welcome to the Late Debate. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.680 It's great to have your company on the Late Debate. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.719 I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and freyer Leitch coming 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.160 up tonight. An Italian museum displays a crystal encrusted chair 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.880 with a sign do not sit on it. It's very expensive. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:22.520 Will you know exactly what happens? Will show you a 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.639 little later. Plus, when we look at what's making news tomorrow, 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:29.280 Defense Minister Richard Miles admits what we all know in 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.200 the event of a conflict between China and the USA, 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.720 Australia will be involved, which begs the question what's the 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.080 government doing to prepare? And on the front page of 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.839 Victorian papers tomorrow the government they're announcing tough penalties for 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.080 criminals who boast about their crimes online. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:46.959 All of that a. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.720 Little later, but first, reading people's minds, well it's the 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.400 stuff of science fiction, right, Well, don't be so sure, 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:59.080 because researchers at Sydney's University of Technology are currently working 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:02.440 on a way to do it, using MRI scans to 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:06.880 measure brain activity in response to specific words, and using 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.880 AI to map patterns in the brain. They believe reading 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.800 minds is pretty close to being a thing. And as always, 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.360 all of these things are predicted by the Simpsons. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.959 I know you can read my thoughts. Bart. Just a 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.760 little reminder, if I find out you cut class, your 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:32.040 ass is mine. Yes, you heard me, I think words 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:33.240 I would never say. 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.360 I know you can read my look boy, yum yum 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.880 yum yum yum yum yum yum, yom yom yom yom 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:41.880 yom yom yom yam. 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.800 Now, if the researchers at Sydney's University of Technology are successful, 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.760 there's some great applications for this. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:50.000 Doctor's hope that it. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.560 Will help, for instance, stroke victims to be able to communicate. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.760 Business people are hoping that we'll be enabled to operate 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:02.040 devices such as laptops by simple thinking. But Freyer and Caleb, 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.640 there are always downsides. Can you imagine advertisers would be 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.760 salivating what a thought of knowing the very words to 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.640 use that will trigger your brain. They could advertise directly 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.280 to you and have you buying things without you even 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.720 realizing why you're buying it. And I imagine an overly 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.799 enthusiastic police minister wanting to use this technology to have 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:27.760 alleged criminals self incriminate by their own thoughts. Caleb, surely 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.920 our brain should be the final frontier of privacy. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:32.760 I'm not convinced this is a good idea. 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:34.959 This could be exceedingly dangerous. 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:38.320 I'm totally on board with the medical applications for this 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.120 people who are nonverbal. I mean, you know, in the 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:44.560 same way that we develop cochlear implants for people who 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.040 are deaf, extraordinary technology that allows them to hear. If 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.799 it can assist people in a medical way, I think 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.040 that is totally justified in that research should be done. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.080 And of course Elon Musk has been getting on board 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:57.840 with that with his neural link chip. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:02:58.799 That he wants to do. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.760 But once we've developed that technology for people to use 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:06.120 for medical purposes, you can bet your bottom dollar unless 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.760 there is regulation in place that prevents it from being 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.280 used for other purposes, it will be used for other purposes. 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.120 And there are people who will voluntarily want to. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.240 Hook themselves up to things like this, to have computers 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:21.480 read their thoughts, to have chips implanted in their brains 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.000 that essentially mean they don't have to think about anything 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.880 because the computer chip can tell them exactly what they 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.679 want to know at any given time without having to 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.400 put fingers on a keyboard or open your mouth to 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.320 talk to a text to speech situation. Right, I mean, 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.440 there are people who will want that, but just think 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.160 about the implications of doing so, and the most dangerous 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.560 thing about it all, and the reason I think that 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.560 that application should be banned altogether, regardless of whether or 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.360 not you're willing to take the risk, is imagine if 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.880 people have these things hooked up to their brains, particularly chips, 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.840 and a nefarious actor in another country, let's for instance, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.400 call them China, manages to hack into the systems to 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.480 which these chips connect, Imagine what they could start doing 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:10.200 to people's brains. Honestly, that is dangerous and silly and 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:11.000 we shouldn't allow. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.440 But you could make the same argument about all sorts 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.599 of new technologies. And the reality is that it looks 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.880 like these brain computer brain interfaces, which is what they're called, 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.760 will be commercialized within the next ten to twenty years, 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.600 and I personally would love to have one. 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:29.720 I mean, think about it. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:33.200 We've gotten through Chinese, I think, so, We've gone from 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.880 it's not a Chinese tip China. We've gone from having 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:42.360 computers now we have wearables like Apple watches things like that. 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:46.920 The next logical step is further integration of technology into 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:52.320 our person, which would be a brain reading computer essentially. 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.159 And yes, there are some security risks, but. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.760 That's the case with anything, and the potential benefits for 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.680 all grinding in intelligence productivity. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:02.839 It'd be great if I. 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:05.560 Was to sort of instruct my kids as to what 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:07.359 they should study if they were a bit younger than 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.080 what they currently are, I would totally advise them to 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.200 go into ethical law, that sort of area in human rights, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:17.920 because as AI evolves, ethics is going to be the 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:22.000 number one issue. And as always, ethics comes after these 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.400 things are invented, after they're commercialized, and then people think, oh, 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.520 hang on a second, what about the consequences. I would 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.360 be okay with this if they would pause and say, 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.440 all right, what are the implications. Let's put things in 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.400 place now, because you know, the right to your own 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.280 thoughts could become the number one ethical issue of the 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:42.480 next couple of decades. 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.000 Yeah, and the point you raised earlier about if you 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.599 get charged with the crime, for example, could the police 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.720 then subpoena the records of your brain activity to determine 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.240 what you were thinking to establish intent, or where you 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.800 were or what you were doing. I mean, the implications 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.440 of this are assive and rather scary, but I do 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:04.719 think it's also quite an exciting technology. 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.240 I mean, you know, it was to more than two 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.040 years ago now when Elon Musk and another big hitters 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.680 Steve was the co founder of Microsoft big hitters in 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.960 the AI world, came out and said, we need to 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:20.200 have a moratorium on development of AI technology now and 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:21.440 seriously think about the. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.080 Regulation of this before we go any further. And that 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.960 hasn't happened. I mean, we're going head first into this stuff. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.200 You remember Biden famously put Kamala Harris in chap Oh, 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.880 I know, right in the age of AOL and her seriously, 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:35.000 I mean she. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.520 Said, you know, you know what AI is. It's two 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.280 letters ah And she actually said that. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.360 But you know, if your phone gets hacked, your computer 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:46.360 gets hacked, you can chuck it in the bin get 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.960 rid of it. If your brain gets hacked, well, thinks 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.719 are somewhat more difficult. Some people who may wish they 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.640 could have their brains hacked, they could learn a thing 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.600 or two. Apparently, is jen Z though a new reporter's 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.920 come out done by you GAV. They did a serve 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.080 for Westinghouse, of course, the manufacturer of white goods, and 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:08.160 perhaps Westinghouse commissioned this to approve to gen Z why 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.600 they need to buy their products, but will leave that 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.880 to one side. Some of the results of this survey 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:18.880 are extraordinary, though YouGov was looking into the household competency 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.640 of people aged eighteen to thirty home economics. I suppose 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:24.680 we used to call it. That's certainly what they called 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:26.520 it when I was at school anyway, which wasn't all 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:27.960 that long ago, But I don't know what they call 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.400 it for the kiddies now. But according to this survey, 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:35.280 Australians aged eighteen to thirty, nearly half of them feel 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.560 unprepared to manage chores. Seventy two percent feel burdened by 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.320 adult responsibilities. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.800 Or we're all burdened by adult responsibilities. 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:47.680 I mean, thirty percent have never mowed a lawn, probably 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.000 because they've never lived in a place where they've had 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:53.040 a lawn they could mow. Twenty six percent have never 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.600 paid all their own household bills, so presumably they're leaning 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:58.480 on mummy and daddy to help them out with that. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:07:59.960 Cut the strings, will you please? 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.200 Twenty five percent have never had a whole week of 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:04.120 cooking at home. 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:06.040 I mean, I don't know that. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.040 They must be earning a lot of money these people. 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.600 Twenty four percent have never cleaned an oven. Forty five 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.960 percent don't know what to cook day to day. Get 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.600 a cookbook. The rest of us have done it. Fifty 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.080 one percent skip meals multiple times a week, presumably because 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.320 they haven't been able to work out what to cook. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.160 I mean, get on TikTok for heaven's say, you can 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.320 find cooking videos on there. Thirty eight percent eat out 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.160 or have take away multiple times a week. And look, 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.400 I'm guilty of that, but it's because I can afford 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.719 to do it, and I like eating at nice restaurants. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:37.079 But if you're doing it because. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.800 You can't work out or don't know how to cook, 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.600 there's something you need to do about that. Thirty nine 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.439 percent take dirty clothes to their parents. I mean, how 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:49.200 hard is it to use a washing machine? Which brings 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.560 me to the next one. Seventy three percent, so they 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:57.000 have ruined clothes by not washing or drying them properly. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.120 Read the instructions. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:03.079 People don't they teach literacy at school these days, and 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:07.800 seventy percent regret not learning more home management before moving out. 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.960 And I'm not surprised having gone through all of those statistics. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.720 What is wrong with people eighteen to thirty of which 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:15.760 I am one? 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.760 I mean, I left home. I managed to work out 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.240 how to cook, I managed to work out how. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:23.800 To use a washing machine. I managed to work out 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.719 how to clean things. I don't particularly enjoy doing it, 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:28.920 but you know you've got to do it every now 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.319 and again. I think this is a a We've become 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:36.400 victims of our own circumstances, right, And part of this 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.600 is the parents, and part of it is the kids. 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.960 We now live in a world where we're constantly distracted. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.920 So once upon a time, things just had to be 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.400 done and you had no real choice about getting them done, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.400 and you weren't constantly distracted by your mobile phone or 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.040 a computer or one hundred other gizmos around the house. 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.760 So if the kids were bored, mom and dad said 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.719 go and mow the lawd or do the dishes, you 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.079 found a way to occupy you time. And generally that 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.559 was stuff that had to be done. But because of 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.640 all these conveniences, we now have the dishwashers and the 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.920 washing machines, and the lawn mower that you don't have 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:12.520 to touch. It's an automatic lawnmower, all the other stuff. 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.319 We don't even know how to do things anymore. So 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.480 parents are not passing skills on to their children because 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.599 they're busy and they've got other stuff to do in 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:22.839 an economy. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:23.400 That's going backwards. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.560 And then the kids go out into the big bad world, 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.240 and when they actually face the prospect of having to 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:29.720 do something, they just sit. 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.120 There and look at their phone instead because it's easier. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.840 That The statistic that most flawed me was thirty percent 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.640 of young people have never mowed the lawn. 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.160 What are their parents doing? The reason you have kids 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:40.840 is so that you don't have to mow the lawn. 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:42.719 Get them out there doing it. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.719 As a couple of things to this one is I 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.640 think a lot of parents treat their kids like their 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.719 friends or their mates. And warning to parents, if you 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.160 treat your kids like friends, you'll end up raising your 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.200 grandchildren yourself, as your kids won't know how to be parents. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.520 But the other thing is necessity is the mother of invention. Right, 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.319 you don't know what you don't know, and it's when 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.160 you move out of home that suddenly. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.480 You realize, oh, how do you do that? 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:09.160 Well, we all figured it out ourselves, and your generation frayer, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.360 will figure it out themselves as well. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:12.760 That's what you do well. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:13.079 I mean. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.080 The other factor here to consider is that the rate 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:20.000 of young adults still living with their parents well into 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.760 their twenties has almost doubled in the last twenty years. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.880 So not only are parents coddling their children, not teaching 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.960 them these skills to be self reliant, but young people 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.400 are barely even getting the opportunity to use them because 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.440 they're staying at home with their parents for so much longer, 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:42.080 and so really I think for our generation, adulthood has 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.480 really been delayed significantly. A lot of these milestones, moving out, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.280 getting married, having a family, they're all. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.640 Being pushed back now by about twenty years. 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:53.360 You know, the average age people got married border House 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.359 had children was their early twenties. Now it's their mid thirties. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.760 So it does raise some interesting concerns. But also on 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.040 a similar note with regards to children, it's not just 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.800 young adults that are struggling, it's young kids as well. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.800 The Australian early development census is conducted every three years. 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:18.640 They survey around two hundred and eighty thousand children and 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.440 fifteen thousand teachers, and those kids are in their first 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:26.640 year of full time school. They're assessed across five domains 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:31.720 of physical wellbeing, social, emotional, language, general knowledge, et cetera, 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:32.520 et cetera. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:38.360 And what is really disturbing is the rates of children who. 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:43.560 Are considered developmentally vulnerable is at its highest level since 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.600 two thousand and nine, and it's gone up significantly since 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.400 the survey was last conducted three years ago. Now, some 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:56.040 of the theories are pandemic, kids not being socialized, they're 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.200 not going to pre school, but it is very concerning 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.839 and one of the one of the startling statistics was 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:06.480 that apparently one in ten kids now struggle to get 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.600 along with others, so they can't control aggression, they can't 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.199 self regulate emotion. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:13.640 If that's how they're. 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:18.359 Starting school, those issues tend to only compound. 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.160 How are they going to learn properly? 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.600 And if they can't learn properly, they're going to cause 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.720 even more of a trouble in school, and then how 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.400 are they're going to operate through the rest of life. 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.240 I think there's no doubt the pandemic is responsible for 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.080 quite a bit of that, and Education Minister Jason Claire 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.840 pointed that out what depressed me Caleb was then Jason 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.360 Claire said, the answer is more preschool. Send your kids 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.280 to preschool because that will teach them to be emotionally 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.920 resilient and be able to manage their emotions. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:46.400 And no, no, it's not preschool. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.480 The answer is parenting. And I think for parents it's 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.800 not just disciplining behavior. I know my kids had behavioral issues, 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.480 but the thing that always concerns me more than their behavior. 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.200 Because a boil, throw a ball through a window, that's 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.280 going to happen, But it's the attitude that you've got 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.360 to discipline and teach kids to regulate their emotions. If 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.200 you let kids throw tantrums, if you let them start 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.640 to allow their emotions to go out of control and 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.200 don't discipline that, you end up with very unruly teenagers. 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.120 Then you end up with a crime crisis, and then 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:18.280 you end up with victoria. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.280 Yeah, and I think we should be clear as well 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:24.120 that the children we're talking about here, for the most part, 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.320 children who weren't that affected by COVID, is that the 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.680 children who were most affected by COVID were the ones 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:33.400 who were already in school and were forming their friendships 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.920 and bonds and then sort of had that cruelly ripped 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.640 away from them. So they're kids who are sort of 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.760 going into high school now. Are any into high school 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:43.840 that suffered the most through that? We're talking about kids 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:48.040 who were born basically just before the pandemic, really, and 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.760 on that count, it's not so much the pandemic, which 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:54.000 is what Jason Clair, the Education Minister, is blaming this on, 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.480 because it's easy for him to point to something over. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.560 There and go, ah, you know that's the fault of 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.560 all this what's going going on here? 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.200 And I will preface it, I am not a parent, 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.880 so before you come at me for giving you parenting advice, 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:07.600 I will say that I am not a parent, but 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.840 I do dat a child psychologist, so she has some 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.040 idea about this stuff because she sees it all the time. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.840 You have a world now where children have devices all 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.280 the time and they are trained to have instant gratification. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.800 You press a button and something happens. And so when 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.240 you get into a classroom and things are run in 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.800 rather a different way and you have to wait for 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.120 the teacher to tell you what to do, and you 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.200 have to wait for other students to catch up to 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.480 where you have got to, or maybe you're on the 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.280 other end of that. Every now and again, children haven't 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.720 learned how to deal with these things. We mollycoddle children 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.800 these days. We don't give them any responsibility or independence. 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.840 We don't give them the opportunity to learn how to 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:51.320 deal with problems in life. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:52.760 I mean, it's not all that long ago. 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.160 The five or six year old would get on their 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.640 bike in the school holidays and bug her off for 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:00.920 a few hours and Mam would say, be back home 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:01.360 for tea. 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.680 Doesn't happen anymore, Oh, we're too scared kid's going to 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:05.440 get abducted. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.880 So we take all of these rights and responsibilities away 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:13.120 from children, and they don't learn how to actually interact 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.080 with the world and regulate themselves and deal with when 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.640 things go wrong and they fall off the bike and 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:20.800 mom goes, well, that was a bit silly, wasn't it. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:25.160 That doesn't happen, ah, You like, the kids just don't 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.480 learn how to deal with the world. And then we 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.800 are surprised they. 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.359 Go off to school and they can't regulate their emotions 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.560 or how to operate in a social setting. 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.760 We've done it to them, unfortunately, Yeah, we absolutely have. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.000 I want to get your thoughts guys on a new 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:44.320 law in California where one particular government area is making 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.360 it effectively illegal to be homeless. What they've decided is 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.200 that if you're a homeless person and you've been offered 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:55.600 not once, but three times the options of various accommodation, 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.360 and you decline that offer, then it will be possible 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.240 for you to be jailed. Pam Foley from who's the 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.639 Vice mayor of San Jose said, we can't expect to 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:11.280 adequately treat mental illness, addiction, or unemployment effectively if someone. 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:12.320 Is living outdoors. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.080 Stable shelter, whether through intram housing, safe parking, or safe 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.440 sleeping sites, not only connects people with critical services and 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:25.240 job training, but ultimately paves the way towards permanent housing. Now, 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.000 in this particular district, there are nine hundred and three 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.320 known people to be homeless. Of those nine hundred people, 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.840 about a third of them reports psychotic conditions. So a 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.320 lot of these people, not all, but fully a third 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.480 of these people are mentally unstable. Living on the streets 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.000 it's in the interests of the city to clean up 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.440 these encampments that you can see on your screen, which 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.280 are not only an I saw, but as you can imagine, 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.119 would encourage crime. They're not safe spaces. So it's in 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.200 the interests of the city. But I would argue it's 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.880 also in the interests of people to remove them from 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.600 living on the streets. It might sound inhumane and freyer, 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.320 it's been argued it's in humane to lock people up 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:09.440 for being homeless, But if. 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.840 You've got people who repeatedly refuse. 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.840 Accommodation, then I think it's inhumane to leave them on 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:19.439 the streets, particularly if they're drug affected or beset by 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.480 some sort of mental illness exactly. 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.440 And they're calling this the responsibility to shelter. And also 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.040 keep in mind they're not going to be arrested if 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.680 there aren't enough beds available, So they have to have 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.440 rejected shelter three times and there has to actually be 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.200 a bed available for them. So I don't see I 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.160 think this is a very valid consideration. And I also 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.080 think the other factor is, I mean, you just can't 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.000 have these sorts of permanent encampments that are cropping up, 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.760 not just here, but around the US, and we're seeing 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.320 it a little bit in Australia. Obviously, we have a 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.600 genuine housing crisis and there are many people who simply 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:57.960 cannot afford to put a roof over their heads. 0:18:58.000 --> 0:18:59.080 I'm not talking about. 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.440 Those people, but I'm talking about people who choose to 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.040 live on the streets, and. 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:05.280 That is quite a common thing. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.600 A lot of the homeless people you'll see, especially around Sydney, 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.359 do have temporary shelter, do have council housing, but choose 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.639 to be on the streets because they prefer it. They 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.280 have mental health issues, they don't like their neighbors, a 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:22.720 whole range of issues. But is it really the responsibility 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.840 for every other citizen to have to compromise their. 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:29.120 Safety put up with this in their streets. I don't 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:29.440 think so. 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:31.520 It does seem a bit harsh, but I think they're 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:32.840 cleaning up the streets and it's good. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:34.840 I think it's a balancing act. 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.480 Insofar as if you've got large encampments, there's clearly a problem. 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.639 You can't have a public park just turning to a 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:46.119 homeless center essentially, so you have to do something about that. 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.400 I understand that if you have a mental. 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.200 Health issue that poses a risk to the public, then 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.040 you ought to be detained on mental health grounds anyway, 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.200 So nothing to do with whether you're homeless or not. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.800 And I think in today's world we not to do 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.600