WEBVTT - Sharri | 11 June 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:11.600 Good evening will Australians see Peter Dutton as a more experienced, 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:16.080 decisive and stronger leader than Anthony Albanesi, according to new 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.279 polling out Today News poll, which is one of the 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.880 country's most respected polling companies, also found that Dutton is 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.840 just ahead of Albanesi when it comes to the question 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:31.040 of which leader understands the major issues better and has 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.920 a vision for the country. The danger for Labor is 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:39.000 that the perception is now cementing of Peter Dutton as 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:44.279 a stronger and more decisive leader and increasingly Albanesi is 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:48.920 looking weak as PM. A rollout of coalition MPs made 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:52.199 the point today that the Prime Minister is ignoring the 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.480 major issues affecting Australians and this is reflected in the polls. 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.320 Australians are saying no, we don't feel safer and we 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.080 don't feel as though we're better off. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.280 I don't think it's surprising that in an environment when 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.039 people are feeling feeling cost of living pressures, that we're 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:07.960 seeing poles tighten. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.319 The reality is is that it's getting more and more 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.160 difficult every single day for them. 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.480 Well, Labor always relied on the premise that Dutton was 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:22.119 unpopular and unelectable, and this week's news poll came as 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.320 quite a shock to them. It showed that Peter Dutton 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.640 is catching up to Albanezi. It turns out his leadership 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:34.960 style is suiting the times. His perceived flaws are morphing 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:40.720 into attributes. We're living in an age of unrest, economic uncertainty, 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:47.280 eroding social cohesion, lawlessness and youth crime. The Prime Minister 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:52.160 struggles to even acknowledge or vocalize the immense daily problems 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:57.240 voters are facing, let alone sanctioned ministers whose policy failures 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:03.360 exacerbate these major issues. In the past, Albanesi has crafted 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.120 his image around being the likable bloke Ossie's would want 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.600 to have a beer with, and Labour has celebrated that 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:15.320 Peter Dutton is perceived by voters as less likable, more 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:20.640 of a tough, hard politician. Even liberal strategists initially try 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:26.280 to soften the opposition leader's image. Now that's mostly unnecessary. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.960 Voters just may be looking for someone to be tough 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.880 on detainees, to deport the child rapists and murderers, to 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:41.160 arrest the pro Palestinian activists vandalizing our streets, to stop 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:45.320 the hate speech and to tackle the cost of living crisis. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:50.760 With Dutton's ascension in the polls comes concerns in labor 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:55.519 ranks that Albanese doesn't recognize the task ahead of him 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.640 before the next election, and there's a similarity here with 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.920 the Voie. In the months leading up to the referendum, 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:07.840 when the polls pointed to a sharp defeat, an upbeat 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:12.679 and optimistic Albanesi remained convinced it would all come good 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.840 in the end. He was convinced he would prevail and 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:20.200 the Voice would win, Convinced, as he said repeatedly, that 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:23.200 Australians would eventually do the right thing. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:29.480 I have faith in the Australian people and I have 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:34.119 faith that we will put our case and I'll ask 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:38.720 people to comment as well. But I've always had faith 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:45.240 in the Australian people. Where's the downside here? What are 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:46.520 purople risking here? 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:51.200 In fact, Albanezi was so confident that the Voice would 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.480 win he didn't even bother to find a model that 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.520 would have bipartisan support because he didn't want to share 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.280 the glory. Because for Albanesi, the Voice wasn't just for 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.160 Indigenous Australians, but it was meant to be the defining 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.680 feature of his own legacy. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:09.160 Well. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.440 Peter Dutton, at a press conference today asked what vision 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:18.640 for Australia Albanese now had apart from the Voice. 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:19.640 And this is a government that's two years old, frankly 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.000 looks twenty two years old. He can talk big, but 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:26.080 he never delivers. And apart from the Voice, what agenda 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:26.919 does this government have? 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.080 And you can see that Dutton is sharpening up his 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:35.159 pre election messages. But it strikes me that we're now 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.359 in a similar situation to that of the Voice ahead 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:40.200 of the next election. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.160 The polls for weeks. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.680 Now have shown that Albanesi is headed into minority government 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.200 at best. Yet he's got the blinkers on, convinced everything 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.760 will be fine all the while his government is lurching 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:59.600 from scandal to scandal, and most scandals are defined by 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.960 his own weakness. The Prime Minister failed to even make 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:08.040 a phone call to any Chinese minister after an aggressive 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:12.400 near miss from a Chinese fighter jet. He's failed to 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.000 sack his scoundal prone Immigration minister at the expense of 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:20.719 community safety, as the Perth grandmother Ninette Simmons would attest, 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.599 and during a cost of living crisis. There's been no 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:29.800 apology from Albinizi or even an explanation for why his 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.520 ten billion dollar housing fund has not delivered a. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.840 Single new house. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:41.000 The role of PM has shone a spotlight on Albanese's flaws, 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.839 particularly his inability to crasp detail and his lack of 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:51.520 authority over his ministry. You could say at heart he's 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.080 actually ill suited to the role of Prime Minister and 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:59.960 even inept at leading our country. There is now Syria 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:05.080 anxiety within Labor about Albanese's chance of winning the next election, 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:10.680 and the concern is that Albanzi doesn't recognize the extent 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:15.000 of the problem. Only one third of voters support Albanesi, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.720 as we spoke about last night, the party's primary vote 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.400 is now the same as it was at the last election, 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:27.400 and these are historic lows for Labor. The challenges facing 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.880 our nation are immense and historically significant. 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.040 The very essence of what. 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:40.640 Makes up our successful multicultural society is fracturing. We see 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.280 it on a daily basis, and parts of our suburbs 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:49.480 are gripped by extreme poverty, a cost of living crisis 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:55.560 doubling up with an antisemitism crisis. Australians have no confidence 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.520 that Albanzi has what it takes to lead and govern 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:04.440 our kind during these fra times, and as if proving 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.920 this very point, over the past two days, the Prime 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.760 Minister has tried to shift the dial by using climate 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:17.320 change as a distraction from the central issues gripping our nation. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:20.960 Just like with the Voice to Parliament. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.240 Voters marvel at how out of touch the boy who 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:32.880 made it out of Housing Commission has now become. Also 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.480 coming up on the show tonight, the climate was heat 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.200 up with Albinizi launching an attack on Peter Dutton, claiming 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.080 he's failed despite the fact the government is not on 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.960 track to meet its own twenty thirty targets. Also tonight, 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.200 the Albaneze government makes a point of saying that it 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:54.640 won't supply Israel with any defense capabilities, and it hasn't 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:59.160 done since October seven. Well, there's no more obvious sign 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.280 that this government has abandoned Israel. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:03.760 In its hour of need. 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.000 I'll discuss this with Bronin Bishop and Kayler Bond in 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:11.600 a moment. Plus, a new scandal emerges at PwC, with 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.480 a key figure casting doubt that women were raped on 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.440 October seven. Caroline Marcus, who broke the story, would join 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.200 me a bit later and Unrest at nine with Chief 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:27.320 executive Mike Sneezeby under continued pressure. This is now mounting 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.720 the Australians Media writers Sophie Ellsworth will be on the 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.600 show with the latest developments. But first, now let's go 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.320 to tonight's panel, former Speaker of the House Bronwin Bishop 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.040 and Sky News host kayleb Bond. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.559 Welcome to you both, Bronwin. 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.840 Let's start with the editorial the news poll figures that 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.280 I just spoke about. It's now showing that Peter Dutton 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.959 is catching up to Albanezi and the key MiG figures 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:56.200 that we saw in Today's Australian in newspoll that Dutton 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.800 is emerging as a more decisive, as stronger and a 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:00.679 half a leader. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:01.880 Of course he is. 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.080 I kept saying that more than twenty years I sat 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.240 in that chamber with Albanezy and nobody ever said he 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.280 was a leadership material and he's not. And I think 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.280 the words that Peter Dutton used today that he is 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.760 weak and rattled. He is starting to come through. He 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.080 is searching to try and be liked, to try and 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.880 be listened to. But every time he opens his mouth 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:29.840 and wants to criticize the opposition, people remember that he's 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.400 lied to us so often. Two hundred and seventy five 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:36.280 dollars off your electricity bill. We won't change anything about 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:42.160 the tax three Stage three tax cuts. If you go 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.640 into every aspect of what policies they took. There was 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.320 no mention ever of the industrial relations reforms that they 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.440 brought in under the cover of the voice. So he 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.720 is in a serious quandary, and Peter Dutton has gone 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.480 back to the sort of things that people want to hear. Yes, 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:04.600 climate change we've locked into twenty and fifty, but no, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.679 he won't sacrifice the economy or the people of Australia 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.200 on the altar of climate change. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.120 I think the point you make, and I talk about 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.240 it on this show often because it is just so 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:19.120 astonishing that everyone, all the commentators wrote about how Albin 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:22.720 Ezi was taking this small target agenda to the election, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:28.080 and in fact we have seen radical nation changing reform 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.559 in almost every area, industrial relations one of them, and 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.480 none of this was put to the voters. High immigration 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.240 again another thing. But Caleb, I want to ask you 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.160 about this point that I just spoke about at the 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.400 start of the show about the idea, and Simon Benson 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.600 first wrote about this the Political Editor that Peter Dutton's 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:50.240 leadership style suits our times, and it was no secret 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.160 of the fact that liberal strategists were trying to get 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.040 him to soften his image. Now there's no need for 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.560 that because voters in a cost of living crisis, when 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.520 there's laws whilessness on our streets, whether it's youth crime 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.440 or the pro Palestinian activists, they want a tough leader. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.320 His toughness is suiting the times correct. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.720 And when you talk about softening the image, fundamentally, what 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:16.520 you're talking about his likability exactly. And Albaneze has had 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.000 a certain level of likability because I don't know, they 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.120 see the like modern sort of music and he downs 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:26.160 a beer at the Marrickville Theater or whatever. Right, So 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.120 he's tried to build an image that says I'm younger 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.000 than what my years are. People have liked that. He's 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.160 still marginally ahead of Dutton in terms of preferred PM, 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.040 but when it comes down to brass tacks in times 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:42.240 of crisis, people will look for a leader, and Darton, 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.680 I think for a long time has looked like a leader. 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.960 But it's now that it's really coming into the form because, 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:48.839 as you say, you got cost of living and plenty 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:50.960 of other things to worry about. And it's why, and 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.720 I hate admitting this, but I've admitted it many times 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.720 that Daniel Andrews is one of the best politicians this 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:59.760 country has ever seen. And that is because at a 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.120 time of crisis, everything that came out of his mouth 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.360 was nonsense, but he looked like a strong leader, and 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.960 people believe in a strong leader. And the great quality 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:09.719 that Dutton has. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:12.040 I'm not just agreeing with you, but Daniel Andrews has 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.280 not had any competition. 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.040 The great position has a week for such a long time, 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:17.400 and it still is correct. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.400 But the great thing that Darton has is that he 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.920 has that appearance. He stands up. You believe what he says, 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.120 you know, he says it with conviction. And he's now 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.360 up against a man who looks increasingly more weak, and 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.160 so people start to go, well, my power bill is 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.000 going up, everything is going up. I need someone who 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.080 can fix it, and Dalton has the conviction and seems 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.920 convincing enough to be able to do it. That's where 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:45.120 he pulls ahead. And there was another newspole I think 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.240 it was just before Christmas that said a similar thing 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:47.680 as well. 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.719 Well, the climate was are now heating up again and 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.600 Australians are rolling their eyes because there are so many 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:58.400 pressing issues. Anthony Albanezi broke the public holiday yesterday to 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.400 call a snap press conference to put climate change on 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.080 the agenda, no doubt as a distraction away from the 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:09.000 immigration scandal. Well, here was Peter Dutton today on whether 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.079 he plans to commit to a new twenty thirty emissions 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:12.959 reduction target. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:15.240 Will you adopt a. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.880 Lower climate target for twenty thirty then Labor? 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.560 Well, as we've said, Labour has no chance of meeting 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.120 their target by twenty thirty, and I'm going to have 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.480 a responsible approach, but I'm not going to adopt an 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.679 approach that sees power prices skyrocketing like they will under Labor. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:33.720 Does that mean you'll have a lower target. 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.480 Later, Well, it means that we're committed to net zero 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:37.440 by twenty fifty. 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:42.800 And here was Anthony Alberanezi attacking Dutton over those comments. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:49.000 Peter Dutton is divisive. The coalition are divided, and there's 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:53.160 no detail about what they would pursue. They are the 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:58.800 three d's of the coalition device ship divided detail, which 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.040 gives them a big f full fail when it climes 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:03.720 to climate policy. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.360 I remember bron when, just like with the voice, you know, 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.520 the cost of living crisis is what most Australians are 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.960 really battling with, the interest rate rises, the extremely high 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:17.160 cost of groceries. 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.640 You know, do they want another election on climate. 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.920 Well, it will be on cost of living. And that's 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.120 why I've said all along it'll be an early election 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:33.160 because those tax cuts won't last till next May. But 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.000 if you look at the climate change question, the cost 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.000 of energy, the cost of electricity feeds into the cost 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.880 of everything else. It feeds into the cost of the 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:47.040 vegemite in the supermarket. It feeds into the cost of 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.720 shifting cattle from the pasture to the advertise. It feeds 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:55.040 into the cost of bringing imports from the wharf to 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.120 be dealt with. It feeds in at every point both 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.120 to inflation and to the cost of life. And so 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.080 it is part and parcel of that issue. But Peter 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.920 Dutton has made a very sensible point that there's no 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.720 way in the world that the target of the Labor 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.520 party is going to be met. It's just another broken promise. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.040 Every time he opens his mouth, he breaks a promise. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:23.320 Mister Alban easy, Albert the trot and mister Duttner said 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.520 very properly that after the election we'll talk about twenty thirty. 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.840 We're locked into twenty fifty. That'll do. Let's get on 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:30.200 with it. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.480 And no doubt Labor will come under pressure from the 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.680 Teals and the Greens for failing for being on track, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.360 for failing to meet the twenty thirty targets. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.880 I think they're melding into the same lot. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.680 Teals, Greens, Labor all the same to us over here, 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.120 I joke, but they're not far off. Defense Minister Richard 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:54.240 Miles is scrutinizing any potential defense shipment to Israel. This 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:58.640 story in the City Morning Herald today. He's apparently reportedly 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.080 trying to make sure that own military equipment is being 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.480 sent to Israel, and Defense Industry Minister Pat Conroy confirmed 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:11.320 that contracts with Israeli companies are for Australian defense equipment. 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:11.920 Have a look. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:14.600 Well, what I can say to you is, since the 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:19.640 conflict has begun, we've been only approving export permits to 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:26.400 Israel for equipment that is returning to Australia for the ADF. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.880 Now I find this absolutely extraordinary. You have to ask 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.920 why would the government have any problem with supplying the 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:41.680 democracy of Israel with the ability to defend itself after 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:47.400 a terrorist attack. This Caleb is so clearly, this is 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.600 the most blatant sign we've seen yet that Labor is 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:51.680 anti Israel. 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:56.840 It doesn't believe Australia should support Israel's efforts to defend itself. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.040 Because what they've done is changed the rules. Previously, you 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.120 could have low level deals, they're not worth a huge 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.080 amount of money that could be done at a bureaucratic level. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.440 Now the minister, mister Marles has decided that all those 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.760 deals have to go directly to his desk. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:12.000 So he has the. 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.359 Power of veto. And the only reason you ask for 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.159 that power of veto is because you might want to 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:21.720 exercise it. I mean, this government has had more flip 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.040 flops on the issue of Israel and Palestine than Bondai Beach. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:29.080 To be perfectly frank, the last week you actually felt like, oh, 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.080 maybe we're getting somewhere. They're taking on the Greens about 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.919 what's been going on in front of officers, then we 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:39.119 get this this week. It changes all the time because 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.199 we know what they actually think. We know what the 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.080 Prime Minister thinks. You've shown the clips many times going 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.560 back into his history. We know what Penny Wong thinks. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.400 We know what many members of the labor left think. 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.720 But they have to keep up something of a front 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:55.399 to look like they actually care about the issue. They don't. 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.760 If you scratch a little below the surface, as the 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.320 Sydney Morning Herald did in this case, every turn they 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.040 do not want to provide support to Israel. All talk, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:04.960 no action. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:06.719 What do you think about this? 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:10.520 Bronwin spot on, And every time I look at mister Miles, 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.240 having been myself Minister for Defense, Industry, Science and Personnel, 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.760 I just absolutely cringe at the leadership or lack of 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.639 leadership that's being given. Because just as he buried the 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.679 helicopters that the Ukraine asked for or the coal we 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:31.480 have refused to send them, here he is, as Caleb 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.720 adequately and beautifully described, usurping a power so that he 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.879 can deny Israel and his support. So all our ally 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.840 is our ally, and we always support our allies. So 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:50.720 mister Miles to me is an absolute pretender. He's the 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:52.960 man who sent his speeches off to China to get 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.760 them checked. He's the man who pretends to spend a 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.520 lot of money on defense, but that's in ten years time. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.760 No money really flows until the end of the ford inestaments. 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.520 He pretends to be concerned, but he isn't. And this 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.240 is just another example of how he is not living 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:14.160 up to our obligations for an ally the Parliament. The 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.040 Parliament passed the motion that said Israel had the right 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.520 to defend itself. That's what the Parliament said, Well, actually 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.240 is not doing it, no. 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.160 And by their actions they don't support that very statement. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:30.480 Because if Israel did want any defense equipment or supplies 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:34.440 from US, we wouldn't be supplying it. And partly because 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.879 of a political issue with the Greens and you know 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.040 you raise China. Well, today the Prime Minister confirm that 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.760 we would be having Australia would be having a visit 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:44.879 from the Chinese premiere. We're going to come back to 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.119 that later in the show, because he was asked about TikTok. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.720 You know, other countries around the world, based on intelligence, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.920 are taking action on TikTok well not alb and easy. 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.480 He tried to criticize the journalists for even asking the question. 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.119 Caylebon and Bishop, thank you both so much for joining me. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:03.679 Now coming up. 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.720 With nine Chair Peter Costello gone, all eyes or on. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:12.040 Chief executive Mike Sneezeby. Media writer Sophie Ellsworth joins me. Next, 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:16.359 plus Queensland Treasurer hands down its budget, blowing. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.520 Out the state's debt, all the while. 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:22.480 Urging voters to forget the past decade. Well, the Queensland 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:26.240 Shadow Treasurer David Jenetski would join me after the break. 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:31.680 Welcome back. 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.720 Well, let's now turn to the reaction we've seen to 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.399 nine chair Peter Costello's a former chair, his resignation on 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.480 Sunday night. With Costello gone, the heat is now on 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:47.800 nine Chief Executive Mike Sneezeby. Sneezebe and the Nine board 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.879 are still under pressure to explain what they knew about 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:56.960 the numerous sexual harassment allegations and serious in nature that 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:00.639 have been made against former newsboss Darren Wick, and why 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:04.680 they didn't take any action until formal legal action commenced 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.879 against the network earlier this year. Even the Cydney Morning 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:13.000 Herald has called the allegations an open secret with the 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.880 Australians media writers. Sophie Ellsworth joins me. Now, Sophie, thank 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.960 you so much for your time. Look, how much pressure 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.520 do you think, and you've been reporting on this extensively, 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.760 how much pressure is Mike Sneezebee under right now. 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.080 Shary, great to be with you. Look, he's under immense pressure. 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.800 There is absolutely no doubt about that. The fact that 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.560 Peter Costello has left nine does not mean that this 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:42.840 saga is over. 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:44.600 It's anything but over. 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.720 And now the responsibility for the moment is firmly with 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:52.639 Mike Sneezebe to try and turn this ship around. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:53.359 He has an. 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:58.800 Awful challenge ahead, awfully tough challenge ahead, Chari because as 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.520 we know, there's been many women who have come out 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:06.480 and spoken of their alleged mistreatment sexual harassment at the network. 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:11.200 This has been very damaging four to nine, particularly as 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:15.639 they go into the Olympics next month. So they have 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:19.520 a big challenge on their hands to try and totally 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:24.480 you know, re you know, get their brand back as 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.760 a good brand, because it's been very seriously damaged. 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:28.560 Yeah, it has. 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:32.560 Indeed, Look, it was just about a week ago that 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:37.560 Peter Costello tried to shift the focus onto Mike Sneezebe by, 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.520 you know, giving him up as the person who personally 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:43.840 signed off on the one million dollar or near one 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:48.159 million dollar reported payout to Darren Wick. When that happened, 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.800 many expected Mike sneezebe would be the first to go, 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:55.920 although both men have been under sustained pressure. But since then, 0:22:56.080 --> 0:22:59.520 of course, the events unfolded with Leam Mendes at the airport. 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:05.399 You contacted nine senior managers that work un'der Sneezebee to 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:09.120 see if any of them would publicly support him. 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:14.080 What was the response, Well, yes, I had a report 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:16.200 in the Australian Today, Sharry on this. 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:17.880 I contacted all of the. 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:23.000 Ten executives that sit directly under Mike Sneezeby and ask 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.720 them do they support him? And will they say so publicly? 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:27.600 Now? 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:31.640 I gave them hours to respond yesterday and not one 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:37.160 of them responded. It was absolute radio silence, Sharry, which 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:42.359 says a lot that the managers at nine are not 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:46.280 saying a single word about Mike Steesby because I think 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:49.000 they know he is in trouble. Nine is in trouble. 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.960 And if they do come out and support him. They're 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:55.600 effectively putting themselves on the line too, because he may 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:56.640 be the next one. 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:58.320 To go, Sophie. 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:02.840 In terms of Costello's resignation, we saw that director Catherine 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:06.840