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Speaker 2: for expected score enthusiasts Max Lawd and Hello MAXI.
Speaker 3: Hello Ben. Yes, quite well, it turns out when.
Speaker 2: Four of nine games sort of went against expected.
Speaker 4: Score, Well, when you have a what average margin of
Speaker 4: ten points blown out by the Melbourne Hawthorne game which
Speaker 4: was not closer to three quarter thing exactly, You're gonna
Speaker 4: have a bunch of close ones that don't reflect what
Speaker 4: actually happened, although Sidney Essendon was a weird one because
Speaker 4: that was never close and expected score claims it was
Speaker 4: you liar.
Speaker 5: Right, so you're going agains six peop Well, there's not.
Speaker 3: You have to analyze it. That's the point.
Speaker 4: If I could just have expected Scorrey Gospel, I would
Speaker 4: just put the numbers out and then not tweet. And
Speaker 4: then what would I do if I couldn't tweet?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I also don't know what this man
Speaker 2: would do if he couldn't tweet. The Sunday specialist David Geters,
Speaker 2: it's good.
Speaker 5: To be back.
Speaker 2: Nice to have you back.
Speaker 5: It's been a hiatus.
Speaker 3: Look, there might be a potential it might be like
Speaker 3: a soft phase out of myself from the podcast intention
Speaker 3: thinking Jamien barrass not intenarrett.
Speaker 2: Mid two thousands footy show style.
Speaker 5: Oh very yeah, it's not. It's not an intentional phase out.
Speaker 5: I just noticed. I mean, when was the last on
Speaker 5: here three weeks ago?
Speaker 3: Wow, wasn't it three episodes?
Speaker 5: So it's gouty been up to just a lot of
Speaker 5: work there going well there mate, and yeah, it's there's
Speaker 5: a lot happening.
Speaker 3: And this is the first time we've spoken in three weeks.
Speaker 3: The wisdom, the wisdom of yes what the segment called no,
Speaker 3: But that's Jared Jared Heally, Jared Whitey has that Robert
Speaker 3: Robert Cradick. Yes, well, I think Crash crad experience are
Speaker 3: pretty similar. To be honest, crashing.
Speaker 5: I'm just try I'm thinking it's a very there's a definite.
Speaker 2: There's a slight definition tweak in between the wisdom of
Speaker 2: Kevin Sheedy in this book that we're talking about and
Speaker 2: the wisdom of rubbocratic things will.
Speaker 5: For He's going, well, yes, yes, if people want him
Speaker 5: on him instead of me, and you can message to
Speaker 5: the big Malbourn.
Speaker 4: Are you trying to get done? I'm saying, whatever, are
Speaker 4: you walking into the coaches office? I can play what's best,
Speaker 4: So I'm just say yes.
Speaker 5: It's real sort of pressed Duke who did that?
Speaker 2: He did? Yes, Yes, that's ye.
Speaker 3: Very interesting stuff. He said that Kevin's got a new
Speaker 3: book coming. What didn't email about Kevin? She's like, there's
Speaker 3: like five or six Sheety books.
Speaker 5: I think there's another one coming.
Speaker 3: It's about the stories, the best stories off the field
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: And he's a big part of it. Cover or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 4: Yes, very good, Yes, yes, maybe maybe were gonna have
Speaker 4: the book launch on this podcast.
Speaker 5: We'll see if grand edition. Yeah, we'll have as many
Speaker 5: people in the room as there would be readers of
Speaker 5: the book. What I could do is.
Speaker 3: Have a uh maybe maybe Crash will come on you reckon,
Speaker 3: you can get him on.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't is it if he works in the
Speaker 5: same company.
Speaker 4: He doesn't anymore, doesn't he? Well, I mean he's on
Speaker 4: the back page. He's on the back page, but I
Speaker 4: think that's more like a guest spot. He works for
Speaker 4: news Corp. And we're not news Corp.
Speaker 3: But anymore, remember, oh.
Speaker 5: We're not before well it was a slot, was portion
Speaker 5: of news Corp?
Speaker 4: No, well, yes, they invested, but we're the z own.
Speaker 4: We love Saudi Arabian now I reckon. So Crash was
Speaker 4: to come on and be okay, yeah, just keep that
Speaker 4: in mind.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, he's a good one. Okay.
Speaker 2: Ranking top four games from the weekend there.
Speaker 3: Okay, Max, we'virtually having a discussion on Sunday morning.
Speaker 2: What gave you half?
Speaker 4: What was the best game of the season so far?
Speaker 4: So you had Geelong Jean to be clearly a contender
Speaker 4: for that is up there.
Speaker 5: I find it very funny.
Speaker 3: It's the same stuff every like last week, we just
Speaker 3: watched the Game of the Year because the year and
Speaker 3: their week later.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, we just saw the Game.
Speaker 4: Of the Year because it also was like in mind,
Speaker 4: it's not an unmerited discussion to have attack Merrit was
Speaker 4: not playing in that, but anyway, very good.
Speaker 3: Get him to Geelong work.
Speaker 2: I had Geelong Giants first. I'm sorry, No, I didn't. No,
Speaker 2: I had dog Sons first.
Speaker 5: You are taking that.
Speaker 2: That was an excellent.
Speaker 3: Game, helped by the fact that you watched all of
Speaker 3: it because you were working steaday night.
Speaker 2: I didn't watch all that I had to. It was
Speaker 2: a genuine split screen operation happening on fair. It was
Speaker 2: very good.
Speaker 5: Fifty seven I had that third Giants, that's second. Significant
Speaker 5: had the Spoon Bowl fourth. I was good fun but
Speaker 5: Spoon ahead of North Lions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've ignored to draw there in your top four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Richmond West Coast was fourth, yes, and North Lines
Speaker 3: was fifth because Richmond Richmond won it whereas North Melbourne
Speaker 3: lost it.
Speaker 2: And there was also a sense of West Coast trying
Speaker 2: their absolute guts out and try and get that wind
Speaker 2: I found that a very engaging.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, whereas North Brisbane was the least engaging draw possible.
Speaker 4: It was like, how is this still close?
Speaker 3: And then the final siren goes like genuinely lost that game,
Speaker 3: Like I expect to go to run by like five goals.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen many drawers where I'm like, they clearly
Speaker 3: lost that game, like the North clearly didn't should have
Speaker 3: won that, Like they had a shot at Clark in
Speaker 3: the box and like he would be really upset because
Speaker 3: they should have.
Speaker 4: No, he's pretty, he keeps his emotions and check think.
Speaker 5: Angry Clark I might be back. There were some shots
Speaker 5: of him getting very frustrated in the in the box.
Speaker 2: How about angry Andrew mcqualta right at the end there.
Speaker 3: Yes, that was that was the back page of The
Speaker 3: West was like.
Speaker 5: A really blurry screenshot of him.
Speaker 4: It was the exact same screen grape I got when
Speaker 4: we put the video on Facebook of him walking.
Speaker 3: That was great.
Speaker 5: Probably screenshoted it from Facebook actually knowing the where was that?
Speaker 2: Thought? The West West was.
Speaker 5: We're not affiliated with them?
Speaker 2: No, seven West Media.
Speaker 5: Yes Mitch Woodcock, yes, yep, yes, very good.
Speaker 4: Motormouth Mitch is his column on a Monday morning. I
Speaker 4: believe it's called motormouth Mitch, I believe.
Speaker 2: So what about So you really like the Geelong Giants game?
Speaker 2: That was your number one?
Speaker 5: I put Gelong Giants at one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had Showdown fifty seven to I had Gold
Speaker 3: Coast Western Bulldogs third and then Richmond West Coast fourth. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Max Sinkuila Carton number one for me. I think I
Speaker 3: really enjoyed.
Speaker 2: You know what, sin Kilda Carlton first half was okay,
Speaker 2: just the third quarter was as dour as it gets. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on your ross.
Speaker 4: The fixed in the last two weeks. So freemantleson kilter
Speaker 4: last week on a Friday night, Yes, along with Essendon North,
Speaker 4: which I don't know at what point during the fixture
Speaker 4: process they thought that was going to be a good game.
Speaker 3: It was close, but not a bit.
Speaker 2: Of campaigning maybe from both sides to get that that
Speaker 2: time slot.
Speaker 3: Well, good for them. They've campaigned well and.
Speaker 5: Then this week, yes, as has Anthony Albanese.
Speaker 3: So yes, let's talk about the election now and that
Speaker 3: would be fun.
Speaker 5: Did you speak about that I've been on since the
Speaker 5: election we.
Speaker 2: Had We mentioned that it was a good Saturday night
Speaker 2: for Max a couple of saturdays ago because Geelong beat
Speaker 2: Collingwood and thrilling circumstances.
Speaker 5: And what were you happy about Labor winning or Dutton
Speaker 5: losing his seat?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was more than negative and positive because he
Speaker 6: is quite like mean Max at heart like when like
Speaker 6: you take what you would take more joy in Dutton
Speaker 6: losing that's not his seat than you would in Labor
Speaker 6: Party winning the election.
Speaker 5: That would be my guest.
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't vote for the Labor Party, that's fair enough.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I don't know what vote legalized cannabis thing
Speaker 5: was that? What it was?
Speaker 3: It was that's the most obscure, weird party there was
Speaker 3: that ran not trumpet of so that'd be the answer.
Speaker 4: This would be Fusion. The Fusion Party ran on the station.
Speaker 4: If you if you voted for every box above the
Speaker 4: line on the Fusion in the Victorian Senate, you voted
Speaker 4: for the Fusion Party at some point.
Speaker 5: It's a real party.
Speaker 4: Yes, they were like a bunch of random parties leading
Speaker 4: which way, well sort of left but then sort of
Speaker 4: not really weird.
Speaker 3: There're a fusion of a bunch of nonsense. We should
Speaker 3: probably talk about football some Sorry, what this is you
Speaker 3: bring me on mate, all right, this is what you get,
Speaker 3: so sorry.
Speaker 2: Let us know your feedback. Who's on top of the
Speaker 2: power Colin still, Collingwood.
Speaker 3: Sometimes for Masashi.
Speaker 5: Who's it for today?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I think is it? Do they sponsor the graphic like
Speaker 3: twice a month or something? I think it's the deal.
Speaker 3: So we'll see.
Speaker 4: If you see the graphic, you'll know number one Collingwood,
Speaker 4: Collingwood Stage, collingw David Yeah, yeah, yes, incredible win over Frio.
Speaker 5: Incredible.
Speaker 3: That's a bit one in terms of the outs that
Speaker 3: they had, the outs they had going over to play Frero,
Speaker 3: which is still a very hard game. You know, Frio
Speaker 3: is still a what even if there.
Speaker 4: Are six to tenth team gallant. They were gallant, and
Speaker 4: they certainly had a million inside fifties. But Collingwood's defense
Speaker 4: standing up and then performing incredibly well. I think that
Speaker 4: was a typical Collingwood going West win.
Speaker 2: Do you know that they travel well the Pies.
Speaker 4: Craig McCrae has not won, has not lost a game
Speaker 4: where he had to fly West in his career as Collinwood.
Speaker 2: Fly has never lost a game in flying West.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, that's why he's called Fly. I presume yes,
Speaker 4: loves the planes, so Collingwood stays number one B.
Speaker 3: I'll find out favorite. Is it his favorite movie?
Speaker 5: Just keep going?
Speaker 3: Maybe Fly the Fly?
Speaker 5: Just keep going, I'll find out, Just keep going.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: I put the Brisbane lines down a spot for drawing
Speaker 4: with North melon.
Speaker 2: It was a pretty ordinary performance. A Lockie Neil post
Speaker 2: game said that we couldn't have played much worse. But
Speaker 2: North Melbourne played really well in his post game, and
Speaker 2: I think he sort of corrected him way through it.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, sound really bad?
Speaker 5: Ques?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 4: And I've got the despite their loss. I've got the
Speaker 4: Bulldog second because I think Brisbane's loss deserved a gang on.
Speaker 2: So the Bulldogs lost to Gold Coast and Brisbane drew
Speaker 2: with North Melbourne, but the Dogs have usurped Brisbane on
Speaker 2: the power rankings.
Speaker 4: What's worse drawing with North Melbourne or losing to Gold
Speaker 4: Coast in Darwin where they haven't lost in.
Speaker 2: Four in here. In this situation with Brisbane, I would
Speaker 2: still bank a little bit of form rather than a
Speaker 2: snap judgment off.
Speaker 4: But I would argue that Brisbane's form has not been
Speaker 4: as great as the ladder represents. I think they've had
Speaker 4: one really good win over sin Kilda. They had the
Speaker 4: good the Pineapple Grapple was better than the margin suggested.
Speaker 4: Other than that a bunch of close games. Bad lost
Speaker 4: to Collingwood.
Speaker 2: This is where it'd be objective. But if Brisbane was
Speaker 2: playing the Western Bulldogs this weekend at Marvel or Gabber,
Speaker 2: I would be picking the Brisbane line still when.
Speaker 3: I would be picking based on whether would you.
Speaker 2: Pick it this weekend? If Brisbane was playing Western Bulldogs
Speaker 2: this week David at Marvel.
Speaker 3: So apparently I gits Back to the Future reference. So
Speaker 3: I've been going through a lot of different threats here.
Speaker 5: So I think Mick Malthouse called him fly Bags.
Speaker 3: That's his Twitter handle, Yes, but I think he called
Speaker 3: him fly Bags as a reference to Marty McFly from
Speaker 3: Back to the Future because McCrae McFly.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I thought below, yeah, yeah, below, Yeah, I
Speaker 5: think fly.
Speaker 3: I think McFly. That's it, so I think, and now
Speaker 3: it's now they've dropped the milk and now it's just fly.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, okay, sure, he doesn't really remind me of
Speaker 4: Marty McFly otherwise. Yeah, I mean, he loves skateboarding on
Speaker 4: the back of a truck. But you know, other than that.
Speaker 5: I would tip.
Speaker 4: The Oh it's a good ques, it's a good so
Speaker 4: that this is my point. I think Brisbane just deserved
Speaker 4: to go down a spot because of their poor performance.
Speaker 4: And the problem with the rankings this week was that
Speaker 4: second third give my answer, I'm letting you think. Sorry, sorry,
Speaker 4: sorry being professional. Sorry, Second and third and fourth all
Speaker 4: lost or didn't win rather than Brisbane, and then Hawthorne
Speaker 4: beating Melbourne wasn't overly convincing. Finally beat them for the
Speaker 4: first time in what eight years? But they stay fifth,
Speaker 4: gold Coast moving up because I do credit they win
Speaker 4: over the Bulldogs, which forces.
Speaker 3: Out of laid.
Speaker 4: Now the problem was ben My rankings were too correct
Speaker 4: last week.
Speaker 3: So that change.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think i'd tip the dogs.
Speaker 5: So there you go, I tip the dogs.
Speaker 2: And then how much do you read into percentage at
Speaker 2: this time of the year as well, because the Dogs
Speaker 2: is percentages on hundre twenty two in Brisbane sitting on
Speaker 2: top of the ladder with one hundred and thirteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no great percentages.
Speaker 4: No, I think there's something too that they have not
Speaker 4: been and they've talked about this. It SEMs like every
Speaker 4: week there's a press conference where Harris Andrews comes out
Speaker 4: and says, oh, you know, we know we're banking the wins,
Speaker 4: but we know we can play better than this, you know,
Speaker 4: and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And the reason behind the percentage is offensively, Actually, they're
Speaker 2: not scoring brilliantly at the moment.
Speaker 3: They're not banking the percent engine.
Speaker 4: Now the percentage doesn't matter because of the draw in.
Speaker 2: Because in the last four weeks they've gone seventy one,
Speaker 2: sixty six, one hundred and eight against set Kilda, which
Speaker 2: was their best win, then fifty three against Collingwood.
Speaker 4: It's got some problems there, slightly ex but I think
Speaker 4: like it was a really close, exciting weekend where we
Speaker 4: didn't learn an enormous amount.
Speaker 2: No, I agree with that, you know.
Speaker 4: I think Carlton's all right. I think Carlton are the
Speaker 4: best team out of the eight right now. The Giants
Speaker 4: showed again that they have even if they have system problems,
Speaker 4: they have so much talent sometimes that it just works
Speaker 4: for them and they love playing in Geelong. Sydney is
Speaker 4: so untrustable, but you have to wait and see how
Speaker 4: good they can be when they get their players back.
Speaker 4: Untrustworthy is the most interesting team out of the eighth
Speaker 4: though for me right because I've still got them down
Speaker 4: there fourteenth, I still think I want to see them
Speaker 4: do it against a good team. They've beaten a lot
Speaker 4: of teams below them on the ladder, beaten teams. They
Speaker 4: probably should be beating Sidney maybe their best win so far,
Speaker 4: and they were pretty convincing in it too.
Speaker 2: And then this is the thing with Essendon, So they've
Speaker 2: got a percentage of ninety point eight. Yes at the moment,
Speaker 2: but that is the Swan and Saints Dockers and Carlton.
Speaker 2: Carlton's percentage is actually quite good, yes, way better than
Speaker 2: the bombs.
Speaker 3: Carlton centerge was good when they was up and four
Speaker 3: or whatever it was.
Speaker 4: So you know, they played a bunch of close games
Speaker 4: and finally banks some wins the percentage even though they
Speaker 4: had that big loss to Adelaide. So Essenton, their defense
Speaker 4: has actually been around since round four, been very good.
Speaker 4: Keep in mind that since round four they haven't played
Speaker 4: many good teams. I think Collingwood and a couple of
Speaker 4: others that are okay, and then a bunch of bad
Speaker 4: teams they've beaten. So you want to see estdon against
Speaker 4: the properly good teams. They got the Bolldogs this week,
Speaker 4: which is a great test because I really rate the
Speaker 4: Bulldogs and see if you're just seen with the rankings
Speaker 4: and if their defense can stand up again, Zach reed,
Speaker 4: looking fantastic.
Speaker 2: That's really good.
Speaker 3: They actually might be more than just mediocre.
Speaker 2: What about the Geelong and Giants game, David, which you
Speaker 2: would have watched very closely as part of your Sunday agenda.
Speaker 2: There did we learn much about either team?
Speaker 5: It did?
Speaker 2: It felt like it felt like a final at GMHBA
Speaker 2: State actually would be interesting if that's that would play,
Speaker 2: and then the Cats would be zipping to in finals
Speaker 2: at GMHBA Pro probably they would be. Are you convinced
Speaker 2: about the Giants? It took a Jesse Hogan seven goal
Speaker 2: hall to yeah, but it wins a win.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty well they I tipped them for the flag
Speaker 3: Brix season, so I need to stay with them. I
Speaker 3: wasn't like I was concerned about their losses recently, but
Speaker 3: not like alarmed. I still think they can turn. It's
Speaker 3: a it's a long season. I think this was probably
Speaker 3: a bit more in line with where I thought they
Speaker 3: would be, sort of matching it to toe with Geelong.
Speaker 3: In Geelong it's a pretty good efforts, so that might
Speaker 3: get them back on track. They have got a lot
Speaker 3: of injuries though, like especially in the middle of the ground.
Speaker 5: It's all in the one you know, the Kelly Canelio.
Speaker 3: They're sort of just Bedford will come back hopefully so,
Speaker 3: but it's just I think they're a bit hamstrung at
Speaker 3: the moment.
Speaker 5: Jake Stringer exactly less hamstring genuinely has So.
Speaker 4: That's just nominative determinism at work, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yes, Jake Stringer just has to be injured at points.
Speaker 5: I like it. I think they're going well. Yeah that
Speaker 5: was the confidence burst drind Ear, just to keep the
Speaker 5: faith in them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's fair. Look, you look at the
Speaker 4: Giants losses this year Hawthorne and Tazzy, Adelaide and Adelaide
Speaker 4: Bulldogs in Canberra, Sydney at the SCG, pretty reasonable losses.
Speaker 4: They are a fine team that is incredibly talented at
Speaker 4: times and has some worse midfield than everyone.
Speaker 2: Thing is the Sydney look after the performance from Sydney
Speaker 2: on the weekend. How does that Giants lost to Sydney
Speaker 2: look that looks that was the outlier out of that group.
Speaker 4: That's the weird sort of counterbalance of yeah, they beat
Speaker 4: gel Long and Gelong, but geez the week before.
Speaker 3: It looks even worse now, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Because and Joey was really strong on First Crack last
Speaker 2: night saying Sydney at the moment don't look like they
Speaker 2: have got a brand and it's part of injury. It's
Speaker 2: part of the injury discussions, out of the growing pains
Speaker 2: under a new coach in Dean Cox. But Sydney, it's
Speaker 2: hard to see Sidney playing finals now.
Speaker 5: Well, I haven't. I spoke to Nick Del Santo for
Speaker 5: AFL tonight today. Oh sorry, Raven. Yes, it was a great,
Speaker 5: a great chat.
Speaker 3: Who knows what day we recorded this, because Damian Barrats
Speaker 3: are here to tell us the daytime and the exact moment.
Speaker 3: I so I spoke to dal and he said something
Speaker 3: interesting about the Swan's He's like, you always knew what
Speaker 3: you're going to get against them. You always knew you
Speaker 3: were going to be him for a tough game of foot,
Speaker 3: are you always regardless of the result? And he doesn't
Speaker 3: know that now they look like they've lost that toughness
Speaker 3: at the moment, which is a big change I think
Speaker 3: from the Sydney Swans that we've known for so long.
Speaker 4: They weren't really winning by toughness last year either. They
Speaker 4: were winning via midfield incredible talent and then that great
Speaker 4: ball movement that could cut in on open goals coming
Speaker 4: from the midfield exactly. So, the incredible talent of that
Speaker 4: midfield trio of Heinie, Warner and Gordon was good enough
Speaker 4: to propel them into winning most games and in the
Speaker 4: first quarter to the Giants, just having two of them
Speaker 4: playing at their best was good enough to win the
Speaker 4: entire game. But now when they're not doing that every
Speaker 4: week and they've still got flaws at either end of
Speaker 4: the ground, it's just the problems that we thought that.
Speaker 4: I thought it just going into last year. That's why
Speaker 4: I had Sydney ninth going into last year, because I figured, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: the midte was really good, but the rest of the
Speaker 4: ground isn't good enough for him. And now it's playing
Speaker 4: out just a year later. Yeah, never wrong, just early.
Speaker 2: We talked about that loss last sorry, that win over
Speaker 2: the Giants last week, and they're spread a goalkickers. So
Speaker 2: on the weekend they had Hayward kick two and then
Speaker 2: singles to Campbell, Grundy, MacLean, McInerney, Sheldrick and which one
Speaker 2: was that, Corey Warner Corey. So again it that goalkicking
Speaker 2: list we talked about last week where they eleven of
Speaker 2: their twelve goals came from individual goalkickers. Again that on
Speaker 2: the weekend, it just feels like an unsustainable spread there.
Speaker 2: And we heard Logan McDonald I thinks had another injury
Speaker 2: setback as well. We know they're still waiting on a
Speaker 2: Mardi so that there's a there's just so many questions.
Speaker 4: Marks Man Swan that had a been incredible run with
Speaker 4: injuries last year, as in very few of them. They
Speaker 4: basically used twenty six players all year, with a couple
Speaker 4: of fillions every now and then. They've already had to
Speaker 4: go into their depth so much more. They're two games
Speaker 4: and percentage out of the eight. Looking at the teams
Speaker 4: outside the eight, a lot of the talk around I
Speaker 4: think this eight will make the finals is also because
Speaker 4: there are not a lot of convincing teams outside the
Speaker 4: eight right soon.
Speaker 2: Probably will be thought preseason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we thought there are a bunch of okay
Speaker 4: teams and even the best teams aren't incredible. Collingwood is
Speaker 4: reasonably clearly the number one team right now, but even
Speaker 4: still they can have their flaws at times. So who's
Speaker 4: the best team out of the eight? I'm looking at Carlton,
Speaker 4: looking at Freeo, I'm looking at a fully fit Sydney.
Speaker 2: It should be Freemantle.
Speaker 3: It should be free Men.
Speaker 4: How badly did you feel about them out of the
Speaker 4: Collingwood game, considering they should have won, and maybe you
Speaker 4: can look at that half fall and say, hey, they
Speaker 4: had all this They did all this stuff right midfield
Speaker 4: was really good. They had double the inside fifties almost.
Speaker 4: It seemed like every single time they went inside fifty
Speaker 4: they were bombing it to twenty five meters out and
Speaker 4: every dock it was leaping for the ball and then
Speaker 4: conley Wood crumbed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could work.
Speaker 2: I feel like we didn't learn a lot about Freemantle.
Speaker 2: They play the Giants at Giants Stadium this week, that
Speaker 2: that'll be a real test for them. That's a very
Speaker 2: interesting game, real test for them. It's now time for
Speaker 2: David's Favorite Scene and now.
Speaker 1: On the Fox Foody Podcast, another strong edition of Australia's
Speaker 1: favorite segment. Fair or fast?
Speaker 2: Fair or fast coming your way right now, David, we've
Speaker 2: got an umpiring problem in twenty twenty five? Fair or fast?
Speaker 5: What's this stem from?
Speaker 2: This comes from? And I think it's a genuine howler,
Speaker 2: But how they missed the I mean, that's just a
Speaker 2: clear And then there was also a dangerous tackle. Did
Speaker 2: you see the Joel Handling dangerous tackle on Nick Martin
Speaker 2: late in the game that Joel Hammling was penalized for.
Speaker 2: That was a lineball. I think West Coast might have
Speaker 2: been a little stiff late against Richmond yesterday, as.
Speaker 3: I'll say fair in that I don't remember as many
Speaker 3: like howlers as I've seen recently, like in this year.
Speaker 5: I haven't said there's many clear cat like wrong decisions.
Speaker 4: But has there been a decision worse than the tripping
Speaker 4: one on Cossi picket?
Speaker 5: I just I've got a general feel in my body.
Speaker 3: So that's the problem with this discussion. I think is
Speaker 3: it every year because talk about it so much, it
Speaker 3: becomes a self fulfilling And always around this time of
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 2: I talked spoke to someone in the umpiring department in
Speaker 2: previous years and they always said around Anzac Day, umpiring
Speaker 2: commentary always peaks, but it just feels like there's a
Speaker 2: few more prominent voices from like officials, coaches at clubs
Speaker 2: now that I'm making a bit noise, more noise than usual,
Speaker 2: And I do wonder if it is we are starting
Speaker 2: to see the effect of the lack of depth across
Speaker 2: umpiring from bottom up. If that is now starting to
Speaker 2: come to the forest, some of these more experienced umpires
Speaker 2: over the next coming years start to hang up the whistle.
Speaker 3: When was the umpiring good?
Speaker 5: Hang up the whistle?
Speaker 4: When was umpiring ever acceptable that no one complained about it?
Speaker 4: That's the answer is never.
Speaker 2: This is true.
Speaker 4: We also do not remember how we felt at this
Speaker 4: time in every other season, because I'm sure if you
Speaker 4: went back through years of this podcast, there were weeks
Speaker 4: where we said the umpiring is really troubling this year.
Speaker 4: You know, these bad mistakes they're making. They need to
Speaker 4: fix these problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think we would have. I don't
Speaker 2: think umpiring discussion or officiating rules that is not as
Speaker 2: prominent in the back half of a season.
Speaker 4: No, because we get we have the discussion, then we
Speaker 4: get past it, and then we get into finals run
Speaker 4: up and all of that other stuff.
Speaker 3: Other narratives come up, so it always happens, shall pass.
Speaker 4: There will never be a solution to this game, which
Speaker 4: is clearly very hard to umpire it max.
Speaker 2: Forcing players who stay down after appearing to cop head
Speaker 2: contact to undertake a mandatory HIA will therefore stop players
Speaker 2: exaggerating high contact, fair or fast.
Speaker 4: I think this is a fast because I don't think
Speaker 4: this is as big a problem as David King Lean
Speaker 4: Montagna made it on First Crack on Sunday night. I
Speaker 4: think there are certainly times where players do it, and they,
Speaker 4: as former players themselves admitted themselves. Of course, every player
Speaker 4: at some point exaggerates for a free kick because you're
Speaker 4: trying to milk the rules in that certain way. It's
Speaker 4: just what happens. But I think there is there are
Speaker 4: too many negatives of that idea of a forced HIA,
Speaker 4: in that players in the knowledge of that would be
Speaker 4: trying to get up even if they're not right. We
Speaker 4: just saw Lockey Schultz on Thursday night trying to get
Speaker 4: up falling weirdly, being made to run off the ground
Speaker 4: while cancust falling.
Speaker 3: It would be.
Speaker 4: More situations like that where players who are injured are like,
Speaker 4: oh no, I have to get up. I don't want
Speaker 4: to be out for an hia and then that's putting
Speaker 4: themselves in more danger if they were allowed to keep playing.
Speaker 2: So Za, it'd be unfathomable that umpires quote didn't see
Speaker 2: end quote Locky Shultz stumblings a or fast planned yes.
Speaker 3: Planned far fast, Yes, I'm sorry I didn't see the
Speaker 3: fact he had this ready.
Speaker 2: The statement was that the umpire at the time didn't
Speaker 2: see Lockey Shultz stumbling around against.
Speaker 3: Free Medle'd say fair that they didn't. I'd say, you
Speaker 3: need to say that sort of stuff maybe, but I
Speaker 3: can say it's fair that they would have missed it.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of players to things watch on the ground.
Speaker 2: I do one of those that there's four umpires and
Speaker 2: that's happening in the middle of the ground.
Speaker 4: Not it's a blunder in the same way that missions
Speaker 4: not cutting the ford out.
Speaker 3: So I mean it's a mistake that they made that
Speaker 3: they shouldn't make again. Yeah, I would not suspect that
Speaker 3: this is going to happen again this season.
Speaker 5: Much like that trimming call.
Speaker 4: We are watching the game from a very different way
Speaker 4: as fans at home than umpires, so we did not
Speaker 4: have a close up shot of locker shorts getting bumped
Speaker 4: and fall into the ground and then replays afterwards in
Speaker 4: the same way that they were. Maybe they saw it
Speaker 4: as they were watching the play, but they may have
Speaker 4: had to move on, like all if to keep following
Speaker 4: the ball and seeing what else is happening.
Speaker 3: So look, it's a mistake, but an understandable one.
Speaker 2: Okay, Max, I'm just going to put Ken Hinckley's direct
Speaker 2: quote to you as a fair or fast. This was
Speaker 2: about Willy Rioli. I would doubt anyone would go there
Speaker 2: with the stance the AFL has put in place around
Speaker 2: comments comments said on the field end quote fair or fast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if players are smart, they'll understand that
Speaker 4: getting involved in a situation of sledging or whatever really
Speaker 4: really isn't beneficial to anyone, not to Willy, not to them,
Speaker 4: not to just general nice practice. My general rule with
Speaker 4: footy players who continue to break it is don't be
Speaker 4: a jerk. And they're always doing it, hitting each other
Speaker 4: and whatnot, but that will continue to happen. Yeah, this
Speaker 4: situation is clearly way more complicated than everyone would want
Speaker 4: it to be. Will it really the fact that he
Speaker 4: does deal with daily racism and that makes him maybe
Speaker 4: have less of a trigger for acting out. It's unfortunate.
Speaker 4: It's something he needs to both deal with and we
Speaker 4: need to understand.
Speaker 3: That he is dealing with.
Speaker 4: And it's why my fear is that I think Jay
Speaker 4: Clark wrote about this on Monday with The Held's Sun,
Speaker 4: that the loud discussion around him and things he has
Speaker 4: arguably done wrong, but also things that have happened to
Speaker 4: him that were even more wrong, Ye are making him
Speaker 4: a target and he's always going to get bood or
Speaker 4: he's always going to get more attention and people just
Speaker 4: in random comments on social media are going to be
Speaker 4: more critical than they need to be, and.
Speaker 3: Of course they'll be racist.
Speaker 4: So it's a really unfortunate situation that he find himself
Speaker 4: in and I don't know how he gets out of
Speaker 4: that ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think a good shout out here Koshi
Speaker 2: gets a hard time. But David cost is a very
Speaker 2: good interview with five Double a Breakfast last week and
Speaker 2: articulated very well not only the abuse that Willy gets,
Speaker 2: but all First Nations players in his situation port Adelaide,
Speaker 2: because they do have a very high representation of First
Speaker 2: nation players on their lists and the abuse that comes
Speaker 2: out out and which makes it such a complex situation.
Speaker 3: I think another good interview was Chris Davies on three
Speaker 3: Out w on the weekend.
Speaker 5: That was a really good in terms of the depth
Speaker 5: he went into. I think it was with Tim lay
Speaker 5: and Caroline Wilson. Him and Caro had back and forth
Speaker 5: about it, which I found really really intriguing. That was
Speaker 5: a really good interview in terms of going into the
Speaker 5: depth of how much there is to this issue. So
Speaker 5: that's also another one that was very very enlightening.
Speaker 4: There are still a very old fashioned view. It's still
Speaker 4: a very white industry. We are three white men talking
Speaker 4: about in fact.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 4: There are the things that we just don't understand. Even
Speaker 4: I will briefly touch on Alex Pierce. There are things
Speaker 4: to his life and as an Indigenous man where he
Speaker 4: feels about certain issues that are impacted by the indigenous plight.
Speaker 5: That's all same, not that's referring to, but yeah, I'll
Speaker 5: talk about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Zita, it'd be better to send a one point
Speaker 2: two million dollar player like Clayton Oliver to the VFL
Speaker 2: to regain form as a midfielder there rather than play
Speaker 2: him as a tagger at AFL level fair or fast?
Speaker 5: Uh no.
Speaker 3: Fast if he wants to No, no, if he wants
Speaker 3: to play that role and he thinks that's the best
Speaker 3: service he can give to the team. Yes, he's overpaid
Speaker 3: for that role, but that's I think you'd rather have
Speaker 3: him in the team than not if he If he's
Speaker 3: doing they actually did quite well on the weekend.
Speaker 2: Played a very good game.
Speaker 3: But you got to know what he wants. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: so I don't think sending him to the VFL is
Speaker 3: going to I don't know if his performance, like from
Speaker 3: all reports, his fitness and his fitness levels are good,
Speaker 3: Like he's actually been really fit this year. He's done
Speaker 3: the right things off the track. It's just his footy
Speaker 3: is not. He's not his ability as a player is
Speaker 3: not as threatening as it was, or his output as
Speaker 3: a player is not as threatening as it was in
Speaker 3: recent seasons. I don't know if the game's moved past
Speaker 3: him or what's changed. But I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: a purely Clayton Oliver. It's not a Clayton Oliver a
Speaker 3: work rate or desire issue. I don't think the VFL
Speaker 3: is going to solve that.
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think the game in ways
Speaker 2: has moved past the pure inside midfielder. He doesn't have
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: Of well that's his issue is he has that many
Speaker 3: other other weapons.
Speaker 5: But the weapon he had was just so good.
Speaker 4: But he can be incredibly damaging with that weapon. And
Speaker 4: you look at Jack McCray, who is a very inside
Speaker 4: player and has done very well for the Saints this year.
Speaker 4: You can still find a role for those players. It's
Speaker 4: just that he's not being as damaging and as we
Speaker 4: talked a bit about last week, that makes his trade
Speaker 4: Are you even worse than An arguably was six months
Speaker 4: ago because you could make the excuse last year that
Speaker 4: he wasn't fit and he was playing poorly. Now he's
Speaker 4: fit and he's playing poorly, well, then there's the upside
Speaker 4: is harder to.
Speaker 2: Find, Maxi Rowan Marshall's strong performance against Carlton proved the
Speaker 2: Saints are putting their money and trade priorities in the
Speaker 2: wrong areas, fair or fast.
Speaker 4: I think you could draw that conclusion before that game.
Speaker 4: Even definitely a fair call that the idea of just
Speaker 4: in terms of list construction, paying one point seven million
Speaker 4: a year to a rock forward in Tom de Conning
Speaker 4: is just incredibly questionable because of what we know about
Speaker 4: Boondom footy. And you know the most dominant ruckman of
Speaker 4: the last decade, Max Gorn. Yeah he won a flag,
Speaker 4: but what that was because the rest of the team
Speaker 4: was really good too. Right now, he's been incredible and
Speaker 4: the Demons are still bottomed six. So you can only
Speaker 4: go so far with a top player in that position
Speaker 4: with two. Yes, the Saints had some success with Marshall
Speaker 4: and Writer, but you have to wonder what that would
Speaker 4: do as compared to spending that money if possible, because
Speaker 4: the main thing the sensors to do is get someone
Speaker 4: to take their money. Yes, could you get Miles Bergman
Speaker 4: this year? Could you get even a year down the
Speaker 4: road Zach Butter's which would be an ideal recruit because
Speaker 4: re one of the better players in the comp.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Exali read.
Speaker 4: Of course you need those more damaging players, and what
Speaker 4: they have already got quite a good little suite.
Speaker 3: Of is damaging half backs.
Speaker 4: So if they can keep on in Miller, which does
Speaker 4: seem like it's not going to be easy from Port
Speaker 4: and Jack said, Clare continues to play really well, and
Speaker 4: then they have Bergman to add to that. Perhaps they
Speaker 4: rotate them through the midfield. That's a modern way of
Speaker 4: playing footy. That's a modern way of building a list.
Speaker 4: They've done pretty well considering.
Speaker 3: How they progressed.
Speaker 4: This list to be a lot younger than it was
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, while still being broadly competitive.
Speaker 3: There's still a fine team, so I'm pretty happy with
Speaker 3: their trajectory.
Speaker 4: There is the risk of if you paid Tom to Conning,
Speaker 4: you back yourself into a corner where even if he's
Speaker 4: really good, it doesn't help you as much as a
Speaker 4: player at a different position.
Speaker 2: And it does put up the question of what does
Speaker 2: Rowan Marshall think about that? How that impact his footy future?
Speaker 2: Will he look elsewhere? Will others come for him and
Speaker 2: try and twist his arm? David Luke McDonald elected to
Speaker 2: bump very good.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: People will know the result of the match review by
Speaker 4: the time they've listened to this.
Speaker 3: But your projection false? No, I mean fast, not the segment.
Speaker 5: Sorry fast. I don't think it's a tricky one, though
Speaker 5: it is really tricky. There's a lot of angry people
Speaker 5: in the comments.
Speaker 2: I actually can't get over that people think there's a bias.
Speaker 5: Yeah. The other night I was before I went to
Speaker 5: against North.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they think that because I was going
Speaker 3: to bed and I was just like, I'll just check
Speaker 3: because I haven't checked this for a while, so I
Speaker 3: just oh, my good, okay, my people people are.
Speaker 2: I think when David puts out sort of the m
Speaker 2: r O state of play tweets before the verdict actually
Speaker 2: comes out, it's often coming from I would say, a
Speaker 2: place of knowledge or expectation, because he knows the system
Speaker 2: a lot better than everyone else. But people think it's opinion.
Speaker 3: Informed.
Speaker 5: It informed opinion, pure opinion with bias.
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no bias. This isn't gonna change the GY's mind.
Speaker 5: Like I'm telling you that, I don't look at North
Speaker 5: Melbourne and go, well it's North. That's weird. Why would
Speaker 5: I do that? Would do this? Might upset people. I
Speaker 5: don't care about them enough to have a bias.
Speaker 3: I don't care about club these club's enough to have
Speaker 3: a bias towards them more against them. Nor do you
Speaker 3: have the power to buy.
Speaker 5: It it means anything anyway, I don't, I genuinely, so
Speaker 5: I watched it initially and I thought he I thought, oh,
Speaker 5: he's gone. He's gone for.
Speaker 3: Three weeks, and then I watched it back repeatedly, and
Speaker 3: Will Falkner in the officely you tend to work, a
Speaker 3: friend of the podcast regular at the podcast these days,
Speaker 3: did say that he looked.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he did. It was happening really quickly,
Speaker 5: and you know, I think Will's.
Speaker 3: Played at some level, yes, more cricket anyway, But he's like,
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you wouldn't just think put yourself in
Speaker 3: his shoes. You wouldn't have He might not have seen
Speaker 3: Berry coming in from the side until the absolute last it.
Speaker 3: I tend to agree, like he actually genuinely looks like
Speaker 3: Luke McDonald can only see the ball ahead. And then
Speaker 3: jere Berry makes a quick deviation off his line to
Speaker 3: try and get further back into go and try and
Speaker 3: get another mark, and then Luke McDonald sees him with
Speaker 3: the absolute last second, to the point where it's so
Speaker 3: instant he can't even elect to bump.
Speaker 5: He tucks his arm slightly. I don't know if he
Speaker 5: elects to bump. It's that quick.
Speaker 3: I actually don't think he has the time to even
Speaker 3: make the decision to elect to bump. Everything he did
Speaker 3: was reflexive and not even a careless act. That's how
Speaker 3: tight and Nick Darcando spoke to Luke McDonald afterwards. He
Speaker 3: told us and he said that he literally didn't see him.
Speaker 5: He could not.
Speaker 3: He did not see him in the absolute last second.
Speaker 3: So I would be I know, it's a concussion in
Speaker 3: the AF only to sort of they wanted to be
Speaker 3: shown to be doing something.
Speaker 5: I just think if they were to grade that.
Speaker 3: And make it a reportable action, that would be more
Speaker 3: because of the outcome rather than the action, which is
Speaker 3: not the spite where people say, I don't think that's
Speaker 3: how they operate. There has been a sanction his outcome
Speaker 3: over the outcome based, but the reportable nature of it isn't.
Speaker 4: This is what the confusion was around the Zach Merritt
Speaker 4: incident with Nick Blakey. Yes, was that you were saying,
Speaker 4: and you were very clear on this. No, he's not
Speaker 4: gonna get reported. He's going to be fine because he
Speaker 4: was a football action and he did that first and
Speaker 4: then the contact happened. But everyone gets confused about incidents
Speaker 4: like the Paul Curtis one, and everyone thinks, oh well,
Speaker 4: this is a legal tackle and he's getting sanctioned because
Speaker 4: of the outcome. No, it was determined that it wasn't
Speaker 4: legal tackle because of how he pinned the arms and
Speaker 4: drove the head into the ground based on the scenario.
Speaker 3: And you can disagree with that and whether it should
Speaker 3: be reportable or not, but the AFL thinks it is reportable,
Speaker 3: so that the only thing that that's outcome based that honestly,
Speaker 3: I think the only thing is the outcome based is
Speaker 3: the sanction of how many weeks, But it being reportable
Speaker 3: is not outcome based. But if this were to be graded,
Speaker 3: I would think that's changed. And that's one of the
Speaker 3: first ones I can think of that's outcome based over
Speaker 3: the actual action. And I don't think I genuinely, despite
Speaker 3: what people will say, don't think we're at that outcome
Speaker 3: based point yet. North would have a very good case
Speaker 3: of the tribunal if he is. Oh, I think they
Speaker 3: get off for the tribunal if it would be great.
Speaker 3: And sometimes they grade these just because they know the
Speaker 3: AFL knows they'll challenge it and then we'll just see,
Speaker 3: let's just have a look. In worst case, they get
Speaker 3: their ten grand back and the players free to play.
Speaker 5: I just don't think it's I don't think they'll do it.
Speaker 2: Like just last one on this, could there Could he
Speaker 2: have done anything else in the situation. That's probably what
Speaker 2: the would have been asking as well.
Speaker 3: Could he have done well, that's what they always sorry,
Speaker 3: that's what they always ask if the player were to
Speaker 3: call them tomorrow and say, what was I supposed to do?
Speaker 3: I don't know what else, unless maybe he should have
Speaker 3: been a bit more aware of his surroundings. Maybe, but
Speaker 3: Barry comes in off an angle. It's not Barry's fault,
Speaker 3: but Barry comes in off an angle because he deviates
Speaker 3: when he sees the market about to be taken, he
Speaker 3: goes back towards to move further to a field to
Speaker 3: take maybe contest to Mark and try and get free
Speaker 3: for his opponent, for his teammate.
Speaker 5: And McDonald doesn't see it until late. Yeah, I think
Speaker 5: it's just a I think there is still room for
Speaker 5: forty accidents. And that's what that was.
Speaker 4: One last thing on the whole outcome deciding the result.
Speaker 4: Thing that has to play because it plays a factor
Speaker 4: in court. You get a biggest sanction in court for
Speaker 4: murdering someone, then for manslaughter or for whatever you know.
Speaker 4: There are different degrees of murder and all of these things,
Speaker 4: a degrees of what happened. Based on what happens to
Speaker 4: the victim, a different punishment is levied out.
Speaker 3: It has to be a factor of that.
Speaker 4: I think everyone agrees that it's two binary right now,
Speaker 4: and it has to be some nuance. But it has
Speaker 4: to play a factor.
Speaker 5: If a crime was committed.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And that's the first thing. And that's when
Speaker 4: Zach Merritt didn't get cited.
Speaker 3: Not to equate crime to football. Well, I mean those
Speaker 3: things have intersected this year, haven't That.
Speaker 2: Is that is true, David, last one, Maxie, And what
Speaker 2: I'll do is I'll probably give the context first before
Speaker 2: so Caltumi reported that Tazzi, when when for their first draft,
Speaker 2: will be handed picks one, three, five, seven, nine, eleven,
Speaker 2: and thirteens all the odds between one and thirteen, and
Speaker 2: then in two years two and three of the build
Speaker 2: they get picks five and nine. But in the first
Speaker 2: year they must trade four picks, and it was put
Speaker 2: that those four picks were five, seven, nine, and thirteen.
Speaker 2: So they keep one of one of the three, eleven
Speaker 2: and eleven, but they must trade pick five and retain
Speaker 2: pick nine in years two and three, and then there's
Speaker 2: more nuance around the Draft Value Index repercussions as well,
Speaker 2: and as forty percent is the number being thrown around.
Speaker 3: So that's the important part.
Speaker 2: So the question out of that is ahead of Tazzy's entry.
Speaker 2: The AFL has clearly learned from past draft concession mistakes
Speaker 2: with the Suns and the Giants. Fair or fast?
Speaker 4: I think fair, and it's trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 4: The problem is it likes this mechanism of giving picks
Speaker 4: you have to trade. It did it with North Melbourne
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. But think about what North
Speaker 4: Melbourne did with those into first round commensation picks. I
Speaker 4: think was one of them trading for Darcy Tuckey. Yes,
Speaker 4: not been great, No, I don't think. I don't remember
Speaker 4: what the other one was traded for. Maybe it was
Speaker 4: in the Dylan Stevens steal. Things like that. You're not
Speaker 4: going to get proper value for where those picks are
Speaker 4: when you are forced to trade those.
Speaker 3: Picks because you've lose your leverage.
Speaker 4: Yes, so when Tasmania has pick five, for example, three
Speaker 4: years in a row and has to trade it, three
Speaker 4: years in a row. You are never getting the actual
Speaker 4: value of that pickback, and they're putting this requirement on
Speaker 4: there that you can't get more than forty percent of
Speaker 4: the draft value index points of pick five back because
Speaker 4: ideally what you would do is, on Tasmania, I've got
Speaker 4: pick five, I want X out of contract player who's okay,
Speaker 4: he'll fill some depth, he'll play on the wings. Sometimes
Speaker 4: he's all right, I want that. And pick fourteen, for example,
Speaker 4: because the pick's still pretty good, you're downgrading the pick
Speaker 4: and getting an okay player, So the team doesn't mind
Speaker 4: losing the player, but you can't do that.
Speaker 3: You would have to get back.
Speaker 4: What if you're trading pick seven, you can only get
Speaker 4: back pick twenty five, So that's a big down grade
Speaker 4: on that pick, and the player is not going to
Speaker 4: make up for that gap in pick value. So there
Speaker 4: is a very real scenario where Tasmania is given these picks,
Speaker 4: is forced to trade them, and then he's not getting
Speaker 4: good value for them. He's getting a bunch of okay,
Speaker 4: twenty five to twenty eight year old players and maybe
Speaker 4: they're good the first couple of years, which is what
Speaker 4: the AFL desperately wants that is bad five years down
Speaker 4: the road. They're setting up a list that needs to
Speaker 4: be good right away but does not have the years
Speaker 4: of depth that a bunch of heavy concessions would give them.
Speaker 4: So I think they're still a debate on what level
Speaker 4: of the forty percent level is going to be at.
Speaker 2: Okay, So would you think that's a part of the
Speaker 2: solution though, would be tweaking the percentage?
Speaker 4: Yes, I think raising it a little bit. Look, you
Speaker 4: don't want it to be one hundred percent. You don't
Speaker 4: want it to be saying you can do what you
Speaker 4: want because they're going to trade pick seven for pick
Speaker 4: nine and a player and it's irrelevant. But doing it
Speaker 4: as strictly as it sounds like it's going to be
Speaker 4: risks forcing Tasmania into a bunch of bad trades which
Speaker 4: teams can take advantage of. So those teams just happen
Speaker 4: to get better because they made the right trades and
Speaker 4: Tasmania is put in an awkward list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that would be interesting to get the
Speaker 2: feedback of the other eighteen clubs as well, because the
Speaker 2: other eight en clubs subjectively, well look at that and think, oh,
Speaker 2: it's probably not a bad result. But if they care
Speaker 2: about the future of the competition and seeing Tasmania succeed,
Speaker 2: then that'll be interesting.
Speaker 4: Which is the problem with a system where the AFL
Speaker 4: has to run this by the clubs because the clubs
Speaker 4: have vested interests in their own success and other Casmanians
Speaker 4: a bit.
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Speaker 5: They wouldn't play that anymore, would they.
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Speaker 5: You know what I don't like.
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Speaker 4: green thing, the hot water bottle and the pink elephant,
Speaker 4: the big Green bedroom sort of like toy story pre
Speaker 4: toy story. Yeah, kid's room.
Speaker 5: But was that animated it?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 3: I think it was Suits. Yeah, I'm on the Wikipedia pages. Yes,
Speaker 3: the television program it got canceled, yes, all that how
Speaker 3: much people loved it.
Speaker 5: It got canceled. A TV reference in there when finished Suits.
Speaker 4: The second last season in nineteen ninety Film Australia's technique
Speaker 4: involved a large, oversized bedroom set and adult actors in
Speaker 4: full body.
Speaker 5: So it was full but that's like now, I know
Speaker 5: that's weird, but like I just what to.
Speaker 3: Build a giant bedroom. I just enjoy that. The real people,
Speaker 3: it's just got more heart to it. Postmon patals are
Speaker 3: with real people. But you know, the cartoon quality just
Speaker 3: seemed a bit more. It just seemed a bit more
Speaker 3: authentic and lived in back in the day, back in
Speaker 3: back in my Alfred was the water bottle? Oh yeah
Speaker 3: there was. There was a Yes, not that.
Speaker 2: Booking.
Speaker 4: Just tapes from the ABC had the exact same intro
Speaker 4: and all of them.
Speaker 5: And yes, they're so it's so good. Oh just hitting
Speaker 5: me like really hard.
Speaker 3: Talking about me.
Speaker 5: No, Alfred, Oh yes, yes, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: It was like a Chinese show that they dubbed and
Speaker 4: it was like a magic dragon and stuff.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 3: Anyway, extraordinary mail bag. Oh yeah, the postbox. Oh, this
Speaker 3: is your fault message box.
Speaker 4: This is a very different segment to that. This is
Speaker 4: where we talk about the question from John Freed, who
Speaker 4: asks why did Port Adelaide's much faunted midfield trio not
Speaker 4: start in the Midfield Showdown is the biggest game on
Speaker 4: their calendar, yet only Butters started the first center Bounce
Speaker 4: alongside Bergman and Drew.
Speaker 2: I don't think, yeah, I don't think they often are
Speaker 2: in the same center Bounce. Very you have to check
Speaker 2: the numbers. I don't think the three of them, Butters,
Speaker 2: wrote and harn Francis are often in the same midfield
Speaker 2: because I think Ken really likes to use Willem Drew
Speaker 2: through there, Ollie Wines clearly still plays his best football
Speaker 2: on the ball, and Bergman I think King he said
Speaker 2: last night, attended more center bounces against Adelaide than he
Speaker 2: had in his entire previous ninety games.
Speaker 4: Beforehand eighty two percent of the Showdown, equal with Butters
Speaker 4: and most on the team. Only other other game of
Speaker 4: attended center bounces at all this year was against Collingwood
Speaker 4: and Round one.
Speaker 2: And then Rosy's moved a half back in the past
Speaker 2: few weeks and that has worked quite well. And Rosie
Speaker 2: won the Showdown Metal Orbit somewhat controversially because Port Adelaide lost. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: they've got It's not I understand those three players the
Speaker 2: biggest stars, but Ken Hinckley has consistently rotated other players
Speaker 2: through that nix.
Speaker 4: Which is important because the best teams in the best
Speaker 4: midfields have depth where you can rotate through six, seven,
Speaker 4: eight guys, and they played different roles. Will and Drew
Speaker 4: plays a very different role to a Butters. You need
Speaker 4: you can't have three attack focus midfielders. That's what Porter's
Speaker 4: had in the past, and then they've had no defensive output,
Speaker 4: and then they've been torn apart going the other way.
Speaker 4: So that's why you don't just put your best players
Speaker 4: in it. You can't just look at the A for
Speaker 4: twenty six ratings and go, I'm going to put my
Speaker 4: best players in there, especially because those ratings are.
Speaker 3: Weird, right, They're better than they were.
Speaker 4: One more one from Jason X, who asks should there
Speaker 4: be an automatic free kick for deceptive actions?
Speaker 3: For flopping for a free? You know, you know, blackmailing
Speaker 3: someone on the field, deceptive actions right, white whitewashing the action?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 3: Is that like when someone sets up a game with
Speaker 3: three card Monty and the forward po Sarah Jones said
Speaker 3: on The Giants Cats that Jimmy Cameron was lining up
Speaker 3: on the Giants place said ye on your ear when
Speaker 3: you're like Toby, Is that a deceptive action? Well, a
Speaker 3: little bit, I suppose, trying to trick him and to
Speaker 3: think he's still playing for them.
Speaker 4: Flopping for a free even if there is a small free.
Speaker 4: Jason X says, pay it against him if he deceptively exaggerates,
Speaker 4: but also if a player after a free is paid
Speaker 4: to a team mate, for example saying give me the ball,
Speaker 4: not him, hoping for a fifty penalty.
Speaker 3: Things like that.
Speaker 4: Surely that gets I don't think so milked in a
Speaker 4: very and then those calls happen and they're stupid and
Speaker 4: then we hate them, right but much.
Speaker 2: I think that's slightly over the top. I can't I
Speaker 2: can't say about coming in anytime soon.
Speaker 3: But thank you.
Speaker 5: It's like Twitter, I've been the X.
Speaker 4: But I do like the idea because it would be funny.
Speaker 4: That's off of the mail day this week.
Speaker 5: That's it?
Speaker 2: Thank you, Kevin.
Speaker 7: Oh, Kevin, Kevin.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we just played it wet you said it and
Speaker 5: I forgot we had the sting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're listening factually correct.
Speaker 5: I don't listen to this podcast, would you? Yeah? That's
Speaker 5: that can be the tagline?
Speaker 2: What's the pitch you've just opened up? Next to the
Speaker 2: Who's that?
Speaker 3: Neil Roberts on his returns Ring Tastaker in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3: So yes. Another fun part.
Speaker 4: About this book is that there are three different sections
Speaker 4: of photos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to fill out the pages.
Speaker 5: Used to love those bits of books when I was
Speaker 5: a kid. So you go to the bookshop. That was
Speaker 5: a bit Yeah, I opened up.
Speaker 3: Me too, and also gives you a little break. It
Speaker 3: seems like you're cheating because you're getting ahead of the book.
Speaker 3: You're reading really quickly. It's like easy, easy pages.
Speaker 4: But like, why is there a photo of Tony Lockett
Speaker 4: taking a mark against Richmond?
Speaker 5: And what does that? It was a pocket of greatness.
Speaker 5: He's a great It was a great player.
Speaker 3: In the pocket sometimes Jim Stein's playing for Victoria former.
Speaker 2: If you do get a chance last week to listen
Speaker 2: back to the pockets of greatness from my last week, what.
Speaker 5: Happened, I'll send it to you. Okay, can you just
Speaker 5: send it to me? I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 5: want to give you the satisfaction.
Speaker 3: Also don't want to spoil it. Thanks, Well, what's going
Speaker 3: on here?
Speaker 4: I've got to find roll I lost for I was
Speaker 4: looking through the photo.
Speaker 2: Sorry next to your Kevin Sheedy, of.
Speaker 3: Course, we know gives a lot of wisdom.
Speaker 4: Well well experienced. Let me correct myself. There are a
Speaker 4: lot of words written down that Kevin Sheedy apparently staid.
Speaker 4: Here are some of them. Yes, you can learn something
Speaker 4: from the Japanese tourists in Australia across. They're smart. They
Speaker 4: take photographs all the time. They go bang bang bang, photo, photo, photo.
Speaker 4: They say, hey, look at that.
Speaker 3: And what do you know? They've got something.
Speaker 4: So I go around the world taking photos and bingo.
Speaker 4: I don't know what they mean when I take them sometimes,
Speaker 4: but I do when I study them later. They make
Speaker 4: you think, which takes you back to Peter the Great
Speaker 4: of Russia of mine. Like Peter, you don't sit on
Speaker 4: your bum and feel sorry for yourself. You go out
Speaker 4: and find things and bring them back to your own
Speaker 4: country and study them and see if you can use
Speaker 4: them or adapt them. That's what I learned from Peter
Speaker 4: the Great.
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ's that is as so he's gone from Japanese
Speaker 3: tourists to Peter the Great.
Speaker 4: Peter the Great, of course, the Sara of Russia from
Speaker 4: six Geode two, and then emperor until his death.
Speaker 5: Emperor. All right, that sounds like a healthy democracy.
Speaker 3: Well, it's far better for you.
Speaker 4: In the seventeenth century. I did Russian Revolutions in our
Speaker 4: high school.
Speaker 3: I don't remember.
Speaker 5: I think probably they didn't have a democratic period, did
Speaker 5: they were? They still went to the polls.
Speaker 4: There was a bit in that subject where you know
Speaker 4: the song by Boney m about rasputing.
Speaker 3: Yes, we had study the song.
Speaker 5: Oh really, yeah? Was it Dent.
Speaker 3: It goes about three minutes.
Speaker 5: No, not the length of the song, the lyrical, not
Speaker 5: the length of the It's.
Speaker 4: Quite a historically accurate song. Ra Ra Raspute, lover of
Speaker 4: the Russian Queen. He was a cat that really was
Speaker 4: gone Rah rah respute in Russia's greatest love machine.
Speaker 3: It was a shame how he carried on.
Speaker 5: It was a banger too.
Speaker 4: And then there was stuff abouthim getting poisoned, and he
Speaker 4: went in a lake and then he came back to
Speaker 4: life always.
Speaker 5: Kevin doesn't talk about that.
Speaker 3: I'll see if he does.
Speaker 5: I haven't read everything, wouldn't put it past. That might
Speaker 5: be in the upcoming book.
Speaker 3: Peter was Oh, he organized a well ordered police state.
Speaker 5: It doesn't surprise me. Still this Max is a kid
Speaker 5: like Victoria.
Speaker 2: Max's Kevin Sheedy voiceover is slowly becoming no on the
Speaker 2: sort of the media watch voiceover kind of areas a
Speaker 2: little bit?
Speaker 5: Is it really?
Speaker 2: I just I like it. It's it's got a real
Speaker 2: brand now, I think the Max voice over.
Speaker 5: Then does Crash credit come on to the show or not?
Speaker 3: If you want?
Speaker 2: He's very good at saying yes to a lot of things.
Speaker 4: Crash yeah, maybe does you want to talk about the
Speaker 4: I p l getting posts.
Speaker 5: Doesn't so much about the op There isn't that much
Speaker 5: about the cricket.
Speaker 3: Does he know anything about footy's Yeah, yeah, it's Jared.
Speaker 5: Yeah. You so want to, well, I want to.
Speaker 2: I know, maybe Crash can close the show. Let's forget
Speaker 2: to the tips and cups. First, Gold Coast and Hawthorne
Speaker 2: on Thursday night in Darwin, Mitch Hallahan cup up for grabs.
Speaker 2: Hawthorne have traveled to Northern Territory on Monday. The sons
Speaker 2: have obviously stayed in Darn for a long time. Rather large.
Speaker 2: There's night game has just turned in two.
Speaker 4: They're enjoying it. I will not be watching this game.
Speaker 4: I'll be able to keep of.
Speaker 5: Course you will.
Speaker 2: That's exciting.
Speaker 3: Billboards, Billboards the nightclub. Well it's a nightclub, Russell Street.
Speaker 5: It's a nightclub. Yeah, you know, a couple of you're
Speaker 5: going to Billboards.
Speaker 3: First time in my life for everything.
Speaker 5: I don't think of. Oh, I don't know if I've
Speaker 5: got you're reacting like someone who might have gone to
Speaker 5: the just.
Speaker 3: It's going to sold like two point eight stars on
Speaker 3: Google something like that, or maybe three point one.
Speaker 5: Anyway, what's who.
Speaker 2: Wins out of Gold Coast and Hawthorne.
Speaker 3: I would tipping two point four. Yeah, Jesus, that's worse
Speaker 3: than thes that. I'll tell you what salmonella are both
Speaker 3: of those places. I'll go for the Gold Coast Sons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think he's my logic. I think
Speaker 4: the Bulldogs are better than Hawthorne, and Go Go has
Speaker 4: already beat the Bulldogs, so I think they'll beat Hawthorne.
Speaker 2: Two, right, Sidney and Carlton Ricky Mott, cup up for grabbing.
Speaker 4: Martin, Yes, Yes, the cup of life will be given
Speaker 4: to one of these team seasons.
Speaker 5: These two big ones, Swans and Blues couple, Live and
Speaker 5: Ship bangs, living.
Speaker 3: The local please please. The best pre chorus of maybe
Speaker 3: that's the intro that they actually take you close off
Speaker 3: and dancing in the rain, the build up of tension
Speaker 3: before the chorus hits. It's an incredible part.
Speaker 5: He's a good operator, Ricky.
Speaker 3: Yes, know what he's.
Speaker 4: Doing playing Rod Labor in November?
Speaker 2: Is he really?
Speaker 3: Actually?
Speaker 4: I Cat and I were driving back from here yesterday
Speaker 4: and billboards which we saw a billboard of.
Speaker 3: Course, Ricky Martin with Who's the She was a judge
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 4: Voice Rita Aura is like the Aura is the support act.
Speaker 5: Who is thinks about Rita Aura.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we could do a special podcast from the
Speaker 2: from Billboards outside the Ricky Ricky Martin.
Speaker 3: I would go, that'll be fun.
Speaker 5: I actually would go, it's great.
Speaker 3: I know, like three songs, but like what, I'm sure
Speaker 3: there are the three?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 5: He know you only know three songs? He to get
Speaker 5: through the other ones? Can he do some covers?
Speaker 3: He does some covers just to pad out the It's
Speaker 3: like photos, do you do a cover just to pad
Speaker 3: out the run at your back? Like the shitty book?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like, you know what, do you want him to color.
Speaker 5: Up there? Because Dan.
Speaker 3: Anyway, et cetera.
Speaker 5: Uh, Sydney Carton.
Speaker 3: Sydney, Sydney at home? Maybe yeah, I kind serious?
Speaker 2: They win this?
Speaker 3: Yes, you know you are right.
Speaker 5: You're right, mom tiving Carlson just because I want to.
Speaker 3: That's a good reason to tip them.
Speaker 2: Collingwood and Adelaide Ben Crocker Cup.
Speaker 3: These games are always close, and Adelaide.
Speaker 2: Gets screwed, yes, the last two times, like four in
Speaker 2: the last five games between these two. Inside of Isaac
Speaker 2: Rankin fifty yards, Jordan Dawstring. Yes, the Frank Kiggins.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think there's probably some other ones. Will forkn
Speaker 4: would know them well.
Speaker 2: The fork is actually asked for this day off because
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of coming over Australia.
Speaker 4: The reverse gather around, gather around the mcg yes to
Speaker 4: see Collingwood win Collingwood.
Speaker 5: That's it, we both do that.
Speaker 3: Tip just broke for.
Speaker 2: A minute for the Paul Coollery itis, your favorite, a
Speaker 2: man who actually thrives off his being his cup.
Speaker 4: I it's not quite at GWS levels of the g
Speaker 4: WS playing Gelong, but Likelid, I don't. I don't like
Speaker 4: this game for some reason, even though Loong has a
Speaker 4: pretty good record against Port there, including the qualifying final
Speaker 4: last year.
Speaker 5: Yes eighty it was almost eighty points, wasn't that was
Speaker 5: out of reach.
Speaker 3: By the second quarter? Yes, Geelong, Geelong.
Speaker 2: The Giants and the dock is for the Tom Sheridan Cup.
Speaker 3: Another man who would love the cup in his honor.
Speaker 5: Giants, Giants, Dogs and Bombers Mark Alvy Cup.
Speaker 4: Again, first big real test for the Bombers in a
Speaker 4: little while. So it's probably some Sanzac to aspos.
Speaker 2: But I go the Dogs. Yeah, Live and exclusive on
Speaker 2: Fox Footing. What's the reasoning as well behind the two
Speaker 2: four fifteen games or the two Twilight Saturday games and
Speaker 2: one Saturday Night get a good question.
Speaker 5: Maybe Seven's taking one of them in a certain state.
Speaker 5: I don't know how it works.
Speaker 4: There's no overlap between what portcats and Jennibe's three or
Speaker 4: the four fifteens are they?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very odd. Maybe we just wanted to give
Speaker 3: the Bombers and the Dogs the spotlight.
Speaker 2: Maybe Richmond and North Melbourne another Fox Footy exclusive the
Speaker 2: Biggie Nuance Cup up for grabs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, grow great career he had, Yes delisted after a
Speaker 4: year of being traded.
Speaker 3: I think North should be better than this.
Speaker 5: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I've had North higher in the power rankings
Speaker 4: for a while because their percentage is better.
Speaker 3: I think they're a better team.
Speaker 2: I've had a very good last three weeks they have, but.
Speaker 4: Richmond is three and six, the same as the Swans,
Speaker 4: which is quite remarkable. I still think North, if there
Speaker 4: are any sort of of what their list says they
Speaker 4: should be, should win this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go North to Brisbane and Melbourne for the
Speaker 2: Joel McDonald Cup. Entrepreneur.
Speaker 4: This game is weirdly close. Last year from memory, I
Speaker 4: think it was like a Thursday night game Melbourne was
Speaker 4: up there at the Gabba.
Speaker 2: And then the year before that the lights went out.
Speaker 5: Yes no, yes, no rival channels commentator.
Speaker 3: Well, we don't have to listen to him anymore.
Speaker 5: So is his son marrying Yankee David?
Speaker 2: Yes, Brisbane?
Speaker 4: Sorry a woman, Yes, I just I just wanted to
Speaker 4: make sure a certain repute.
Speaker 5: Yes, he always referred to the same way by the
Speaker 5: Herald Son. Oh weird.
Speaker 3: I wonder why what website would that be referencing David what? No, No,
Speaker 3: the way she's described Australia's most anyway subscribes.
Speaker 4: Speaking Australia speaks club that win the podcast that we're on.
Speaker 5: It's not true Brisbane Brisbane.
Speaker 4: But what does Melbourne of a bunch of Sunday three
Speaker 4: twenty games coming up?
Speaker 3: That's just the natural sort of spot. Why did Stefan
Speaker 3: want to show Melbourne so much?
Speaker 2: And then West Coast take on Kilda? Lots of TV's
Speaker 2: and true for the bo Wilks slash bow Master Cup.
Speaker 3: That's not true, they're away. It's Kilder. If there any
Speaker 3: sort of serious goes to West Coast and wins this game.
Speaker 5: Yes, St. Kilda.
Speaker 2: Well, now he's Robert.
Speaker 5: Did just say that you should keep clicking back to
Speaker 5: Fox that? Yeah, I'm just because I don't know if
Speaker 5: I need to do it, Like if he needs to appear,
Speaker 5: does he need to appear? Does it mean to him?
Speaker 3: Does it mean to him to because he has a
Speaker 3: very distinctive speaking style and I'm just captured by it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So if he was to appear on the podcast, would
Speaker 3: that be disrespect because I have a lot of respect
Speaker 3: for him and what he's done.
Speaker 4: I think you've put that forward. Are you saying you
Speaker 4: don't have any respect for Michael Kaine?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't, Michael Kine. I don't think it's any
Speaker 3: water off his back. I don't know, Robert crash cratic,
Speaker 3: what the sort of how it's you.
Speaker 2: Would have caught him to get him on the line.
Speaker 5: I've spoken to him before. He's a great and he's
Speaker 5: been great. Uh huh, it's good, Okay, all right, well
Speaker 5: here he is. Yeah, we'll just see the door.
Speaker 3: Folly work. You can't read open the door here, couldn't
Speaker 3: reach that they step step.
Speaker 2: Crash, Good of you to make up so much a
Speaker 2: time quickly as well straight down from Brisbane to join
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