1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: He was accused of bashing two prison guards years earlier 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: because he spent too much time on the phone and 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: they tried to tell him to your times up on 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: the phone and he dealt with them. So you'd be 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: a brave prison guard to tap him on the shoulder. 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: Are they shy? They like members of the Melbourne Club. 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: They don't like publicity. 8 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: Some of them enjoy it, some of them try to 9 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: keep a low profile. Yeah, they started off making their 10 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 1: own hoodies and merchandise, but they really that maybe that 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: wasn't such a good idea. 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Rules Life and Crimes. Today in the Life 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: and Crimes headquarters, we're talking to Reagan Hodge, who is 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: one of our brightest young crime reporters. Reagan, what brings 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: you here? You've been looking into the story of George Morogi? 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: Is that right? And he said, how you pronounce it? 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: It is. 18 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: It's great to be here too, Thank you. So the 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: AFP have talked about with us the master class in 20 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: convicting George Morogi from inside bar And Prison, the state's 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: toughest prison, and it was a massive investigation. They've done 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: an extremely good job and they've landed him in prison 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: for a lot longer. 24 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: We'll look at the history of George Morogi a little 25 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: later in the episode, but just tell us what the 26 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 2: AFP have found out, How did they pull that off? 27 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: What gave them their start in this fiendish plan to 28 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: nail a bad guy? A little bit more. 29 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: So, this was a state and federal investigation and they've 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: done it really well. It started off with a tip 31 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: off about a drug shipment coming in from overseas, and 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: then that sort of encouraged them to start what was 33 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: known as Operation eagles Peak from the AFP. 34 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: Eagles Peak interesting combination of words, and how did eagles 35 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: Peak unfold? 36 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: So they started, I guess, seeing these repeat shipments of 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: up to four hundred kilograms being imported into the country, 38 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: and they believe it was methamphetamine and heroin being sent 39 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: from Malaysia into a company in George Moroghi's girlfriend's name. 40 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: So George Morogi had orchestrated these deliveries from inside prison, 41 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: using his crooked network outside, using codd telephone calls all 42 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: the rest of it, and the authorities had realized that 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: there were certain shipments coming in that were suspicious. What 44 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: had the bad guys disguised those shipments. As you know 45 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: clearly they were drugs, but what were some of the 46 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 2: cover stories for those shipments. 47 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: Well, the one that broad him unstuck was a big 48 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: shipment of methamphetamine and heroin disguised as green tea bags, 49 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: green tea bags and magnets that were brought in from overseas. 50 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: Sixty nine kilograms worth of that gear. And that was 51 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: the result of the AFP's target development team. They've listened 52 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: to hundreds of hours of Morogi and his girlfriend on 53 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: the phone from inside prison. Investigators say he would spend 54 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: up to six hours a day on the phone. He 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: was prolific on there. He was accused of bashing two 56 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: prison guards years earlier because he spent too much time 57 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: on the phone and they tried to tell him to 58 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: make your times up on the phone, and he dealt 59 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: with them. So you'd be a brave prison guard to 60 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: tap him on the shoulder. So he basically did as 61 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: he pleased in there. Sometimes on the phone he would 62 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: speak for twenty or thirty seconds with his girlfriend on 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: the outside, using these fake code words, but he would 64 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: tell the guards he was talking to his lawyers. 65 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: And how did he organize that? How did anybody believe 66 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: that that he was talking to lawyer. 67 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: Well, investigators aren't allowed to listen to conversations with lawyers 68 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: from inside prison, so I guess they've just taken his 69 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: word for it. And little did he know that the 70 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: AFP were tapping his girlfriend's phone, who was later arrested. 71 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: He led guilty over this. So they'd been listening to 72 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: hundreds of hours. They sat for months listening to these 73 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: thirty second conversations or half an hour conversations. 74 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: You're not allowed to tape a real lawyer, but you 75 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: can certainly tape Marggi's girlfriend pretending to be a lawyer. 76 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: Once they figured that out, they were quite happy to 77 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: sit in on those conversations. 78 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: It's quite a marvelous plot line, it is. 79 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, as I said, we've got to give credit 80 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: to the target development team for those painstaking hours sitting 81 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: listening to those conversations, and they've pieced together code words. 82 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: It would be so difficult to do that, piecing together 83 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: these code words that don't really make sense sentences the AFP. 84 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: They've said broadly, criminals might use the word I for 85 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: iotaine and even trying to decipher what a conversation which 86 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: might not be suspect or suspicious, but then deciphering how 87 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: that is being translated to can you move these drugs 88 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: into Melbourne? 89 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: Right? And it's interesting I wonder when I first read 90 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: this story how they'd established that code, given that he's inside, 91 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: how he'd sort of worked out keywords so that she 92 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: would know what the keywords what he was talking about. 93 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: It's fascinating somehow they've been able to communicate certain things 94 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: they reckon. 95 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: He spent probably sixty percent of his time on the 96 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: phone in jail, was orchestrating these criminal activities from the inside, 97 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: and they suspect he did a fairly good job of it, 98 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: as a lot of it did get into the country successfully, 99 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: but AFP say they were over the moon to finally 100 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: charge him further once inside bar and prison. 101 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: Does this suggest to you that Moragi had a pretty 102 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: watertight network of efficient operators working for him overseas end 103 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: in Australia that she could tap into. She could ring 104 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: Charlie or George or Harry and say do this, do that, 105 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: George wants this, George wants that she able to just 106 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: ride on the coattails of an existing structure, gang structure 107 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: or whatever. He might call it. 108 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: So he's a notorious crime family. The gang he established 109 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: while inside bar and prison, I'm sure they had a 110 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: major role in helping orchestrate these shipments into Australia and 111 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: into Melbourne specifically, and with the help of his girlfriend 112 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: as sort of a connection to that, he was still 113 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: able to haul in tons of drugs from overseas while 114 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: inside prison. 115 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: This case is further proof of crime's multicultural appeal or 116 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 2: appeal to multicultural players, because the girlfriend is. 117 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: Who Antonetta Manella. 118 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: Manella, and of course long term listeners will recall the 119 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: Manella name because the Manelas have been leading members with 120 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: those of them who survived and not many have leading 121 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: members of the Italian crime groups in Melbourne for decades, 122 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: I would suggest based around North Fitzroy in the good 123 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: old days when the old Originals turned up after World 124 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: War II around North fit Troy Fitzroy and I think 125 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: there were at least three brothers, and certainly two of 126 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: them were murdered and one of them had a house 127 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: in May Street, North fit Troad, which is now occupied 128 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: by a leading Australian author and a Storian, and the 129 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: neighbors were very relieved when the Manellas moved out. There 130 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: was one of them that was killed. Sadly. His name 131 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: was Salvatore, so his short name was selm Manella, Selmanella. 132 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: Not bad, not bad. Of course, the Manellas were very 133 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: closely associated with the likes of Alfons Gangatano and Mario 134 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: Condello and all the rest of that sort of Carlton 135 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: crew of no good skis. But in the next generation 136 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: they've reached hands across the arrow, or across Saint George's road, 137 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: or across something, and the young Manela girl has taken 138 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: up with George Morogi, who is by no meansertainment. 139 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: And she will serve the next thirteen years in Dame 140 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: Phyllis Frost Center, the Victoria's Women's prison. So for her 141 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: alleged role in orchestra adding these shipments, is. 142 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 2: That a third on in this case a lucky number 143 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: or an unlucky number? What do you think? 144 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: How do you say it? 145 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: Oh? I think it's a bit unlucky for. 146 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: Compared to some of the bread up, a. 147 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: Bit unlucky when some people kill people and get fewer years. 148 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely so, George Murraghi has had extra time added to 149 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: his sentence, and that extra time, of course, is for 150 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: this big drug bust that the AFP has so cleverly 151 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: pulled off. But why was he in jail already? 152 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: This was a brazen alleged murder he executed on a 153 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon September twenty sixth, twenty sixteen, where he shot 154 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: and killed drug rival Owz Campbellfield Plaza, a daylight shooting. 155 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: Very brazen, very brazen. 156 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: We've seen a few in recent times of a similar nature. 157 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: And he launched a bid to sort of have that appealed. 158 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: His conviction appealed last year. There was some pretty damning 159 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: evidence against him, which we can go into if you like. 160 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: I'd be very now am I writing saying I've recently 161 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: seen some footage of this. We've got red cars and 162 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 2: got bugs in hoodies running and all sorts of things. 163 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 2: How do they underneath? How do we know who's underneath 164 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: the hoodie? In each case? 165 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: The footage is pretty damning. It's taken from a shopping center. 166 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: You see this banged up holding commodore approach the bus 167 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: stop where three men are standing. One was Oars and 168 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: two of his associates. 169 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: They became fairly perturbed, very quickly. 170 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: They did and the vision is pretty confronting. It shows 171 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: allegedly a hood of George jump out of the car. 172 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: He's stormed the bus stop and just started firing shots 173 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: at these this group. He's hit cader Oz, who was 174 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: a drug rival, and just chased him for twenty fifty 175 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: meters or so, blasted him with eleven shots, hopped back 176 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: in his Commodore and taken off down Campbellfield. 177 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: And did a little bit of dangerous driving. I think 178 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: I noticed that great big intersection when I'm familiar with 179 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: because I've spent many years driving down that road. He 180 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: just pulled across, did a right hand turn in front 181 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 2: of all the traffic, and away he. 182 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: Went, Away he went. They later abandoned that banged up 183 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: red commodore nearby. 184 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: Did they burn it? 185 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: They didn't, And that was a significant part of this. 186 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: What did he leave in the car? 187 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: He left a bit of cardboard which eventually had his 188 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: DNA written all over it. And that cardboard was from 189 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 1: a bullet box which they reckon held nine millimeter ammunition. 190 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 2: They'd probably be right about that. 191 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: And his DNA was on that and that was one 192 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: of the major factors in securing a conviction against George Morogi. 193 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: The jury decided that George was a bad boy. And 194 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 2: how many years did George get? Third time would have 195 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: been a lucky number for him. 196 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely, because he got thirty two. 197 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: Thirty two, that's quite a lot. 198 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: It'll be an old man before he's eligible for parole, 199 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: twenty forty nine that year, so he's got a lot 200 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: of time to think of what he's done inside bow 201 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: and Prison. The state stuff is jail. 202 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 2: Would he be wondering, do you think late at night, 203 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning, you know, just as the 204 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: first shift change starts up and the roosters are crowing 205 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: over in the suburbs, would he be thinking, I don't 206 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 2: know if it's all worth it? Thirty two years in here. 207 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: It'd be fascinating to be inside his mind, wouldn't it. 208 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: You'd think, is he thinking of plans for when he's 209 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: out and yeah? Or is he thinking I'm going to 210 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: turn my life around and stay out of this business 211 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: once I'm out, when I'm almost an elderly man. It 212 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: would be fascinating. Who knows? He may still be having 213 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: connections on the inside. We don't know. 214 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: Well, I guess jail is its own little ecosystem or 215 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: fairly big ecosystem in some ways, and that those who 216 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 2: are at the top of the tree, it's a lifestyle 217 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 2: of its own. They have their relative luxuries compared with 218 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: other guys. They've got a better television or a better bed, 219 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: or a better food or whatever whatever it is, and 220 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: they can sort of lose themselves in the everyday give 221 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: and take of living inside of prison. 222 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: And he's become quite used to it. He's barely spent 223 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: twelve months of his adult life outside of prison, is 224 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: that right. He's basically been in prison around Victoria for 225 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: basically his old adult life. Really migrating to Australia and 226 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: into Melbourne as a young. 227 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: Boy got into trouble pretty early, he did. 228 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: We spoke to some of his old childhood friends on 229 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: health Sun dot com dot au and they've described him 230 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: as being a teacher's pet. That's a quote to an 231 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: quote absolute menace in just a few years. 232 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: Really, And where did they come from? His parents? What 233 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: sort of people were they were they hardworking tradesmen whatever. 234 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: Well, they fled Iraq when he was just six years old, 235 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: before he started school. They fled to Syria for a year. Obviously, 236 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: that's a pretty troublesome place. Things didn't work out there, 237 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: so they've come straight to Melbourne when he was six 238 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: or seven. Three kids, obviously George is one of them. 239 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: Box Forest's Secondary College is where he started his schooling 240 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: as a young teenager, which our listeners may recall. That's 241 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: now Glenroy College. 242 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: Oh, it's glen Roy College. The box Forests out there 243 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: in the book the cemeteries out in. 244 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: The northern suburbs. Yes, and he was only a short, 245 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: little fella, not much of him. 246 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: Didn't stop Napoleon. 247 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: Well, No, he was picked on because of his size 248 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: at school, oh dear, But that quickly turned once he 249 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: became bigger and stronger. He started to fight those people back, 250 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: so much so that he would start to carry knives 251 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: at school. He would carry fifty dollar notes, which back 252 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: twenty years ago was a significant amount for a teenager 253 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: to carry, let alone now exactly. And we're unsure if 254 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: he left or was kicked out of that school, but 255 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: there was a bit of instability with his family in 256 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: those years, and he moved in with his old man 257 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: and then enrolled at broad Meadows Secondary College, which is 258 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: notoriously tough is a school, but yeah, certainly it's a. 259 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 2: Lovely school and it's just it's unlucky that now and 260 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 2: again some hard cases. 261 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: Go there and hello to our friends in the Northern suburbs. 262 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: But no, it was a certainly a tough upbringing for 263 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: George and rough life. He's lived some of that through 264 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: his own choice, but certainly as a child moving migrating countries. 265 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, to a fractured life. To be serious, he's fractured 266 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: life from a young age in things like refg Camp's 267 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: very tough places where survival is difficult, and that would 268 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: explain why he's a disturbed character. Well, I know we 269 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: joke about it, but the reality is a lot of 270 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: these guys that we talk about damaged people, and they've 271 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: been damaged by circumstances that affect their family when they're 272 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: very young. 273 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, families can be fairly unstable and that can throw 274 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: around all sorts of options for and just speaking generally, Yeah, 275 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: people who've found themselves on the wrong side of the law. 276 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: It's it's not a great way to kickstart your life. 277 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: And if you're hanging around the wrong people, or your 278 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: parents have been hanging around the wrong people, it's it's 279 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: the writings on the wall in some cases. 280 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: Indeed, I've seen examples of that with teachers and editors 281 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: and all sorts of people. What the letters in CF 282 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: suggest you National Conservation Foundation. 283 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: Not quite notorious crime family. 284 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: Oh I see, okay? And who are they again? You've 285 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: mentioned them before. 286 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: There are a few of them, some we I believe 287 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: we can't name. 288 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: Oh these members of members of. 289 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: This notorious crime family gang. 290 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: But they shy. They like members of the Melbourne Club. 291 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: They don't like publicity. 292 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: Some of them enjoy it. Some of them try to 293 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: keep a low profile. Yeah, they started off making their 294 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: own hoodies and merchandise, but they really that maybe that 295 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: will isn't such a good idea. But they're suspected in 296 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: a lot of the drug shipments and drug deals around Melbourne. 297 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: And they're heavily entrenched in organized crime and. 298 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: Across some ethnic groups or heavily Iraqi or what you know, 299 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: Middle Eastern Middle Eastern, by and large, basically with the 300 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: odd aberrations such as Miss Manila. 301 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: A few minor exceptions that. 302 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 2: Can happen in people fall in love Romeo and Juliet. 303 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 2: It is it's the human condition, Reagan, That's what happens. 304 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: Just can't help, but sometimes they can't and then they 305 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: do bad things. So, Reagan, the big question here is 306 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: the AFP have had a win, a big win. But 307 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: is it a big win in terms of the total 308 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: amount of drugs brought into this country? Is it a 309 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: significant amount of drugs they've stopped. Did it affect the 310 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: market that you think or is there any feedback about 311 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 2: any of that? How do you rate it? 312 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: So George Morogi was one of five of the big 313 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: name the AFP were after, right, he's a top five, 314 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: he was a top fiver, and so they were over 315 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: the moon, as I said, to arrest him again and 316 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: lay further charges. At least another one of those five 317 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,239 Speaker 1: has been arrested, and as you can imagine, they are 318 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: fairly tight lipped on the remaining three of these top 319 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: five organized crime players. 320 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: And if you were one of those other three or 321 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 2: close to them, would you be sleeping soundly or would 322 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: you be worried about you know, who's listening. 323 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be sleeping all that easy given the AFPs 324 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: and Victoria police's a masterclass, as I said, tapping phone calls, 325 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: and you never know who's listening. 326 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: If you were one of these guys, would you move 327 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: house like every day? 328 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: I would be very cautious of where I'm living, who 329 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm associating with, and even the security measures around my property. 330 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: What about our starcross lovers. That's George and what's miss 331 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: Manella's name? And oh yeah, it's a beautiful note. George 332 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: and Antoinette. Has the relationship flourished under these conditions? Or 333 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: is it withered? You give him one. He's in a big, 334 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 2: bad jail and she's in another jail. They can't really 335 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: bring each other much. I don't suppose unless they've both 336 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: got legal telephones, we'd say might have. Is there any 337 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: feedback about the romance. 338 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of. You never know how these 339 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: things can flourish when they're apart. Long distance relationships have 340 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: worked in the past, yeah, but a lot of the 341 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: times they do come unstuck. 342 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: So Reagan George is going to be in their very 343 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: long time. 344 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: He will be in for a long time. But there 345 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: were pretty big plans to get him out. So upon 346 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: the AFP listening to these hundreds of hours of calls, 347 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: they heard an alleged plot for a prison escape George 348 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: to be a free man. One of them allegedly included 349 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: the use of a helicopter, Oh totally above bar and 350 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: prison and saving the Big George from the Big House. 351 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: Is that a fact? 352 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: Imagine that for a story. 353 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: It is wonderful. And these plugs they're desperate, They've got 354 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: a lot of time to think and access to a 355 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 2: lot of money outside. You would think it is fascinating. 356 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 2: And of course you may or may not remember that 357 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: many years ago there were people locked up for drug 358 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 2: offences in Pentridge Prison and they had a set up 359 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 2: to a former British Special Services and whatever to fly 360 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: a helicopter into Penridge, pick them up and spirit them 361 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: out to a park in the nearby suburb. They're going 362 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: to then run into a nearby flat, get massive makeover 363 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: makeup and then get put on him in a boat 364 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: on the back of a truck and the boat will 365 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 2: be taped down the back of a truck and they 366 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: would be taken into state and then they were going 367 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: to float the boat off and drive it to Malaysia 368 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: or New Guinea or Papi in New Guinea, whatever and escape. 369 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 2: But of course it all came unstuck because the police 370 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: were listening to the pilot in the room next door 371 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: at a leading Melbourne hotel and they were able to 372 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: stop that plan before it got off the ground. Yeah, 373 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 2: before the chopper got off the ground. They were able 374 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: to but it actually made a lot of scenes. They 375 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 2: probably could have got away with it as Indeed, there 376 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 2: was of course a great case in Sydney where John 377 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 2: Killick bank robber or similar escaped from silver Water Prison. 378 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: I think it was because he's Russian. Girlfriend Lucy Dudco, 379 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to say she was Russian, had got a 380 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: ride with a chopper pilot and pulled a gun and 381 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: made land into prison and I mate run over and 382 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: jumped on and they took off and they escaped for 383 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: a very short time. This is starcross lovers, blonderful stuff. 384 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: The Ballad of John and Lucy. 385 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: One of the other alleged plots to break free from 386 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: Barwin was upon going to court for one of his 387 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: many schedule meetings. Yep, the AFP heard that he was 388 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: allegedly going to just try and break free from the guards. 389 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 390 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: You know those shots how magnificent photographers get. Yes, they've 391 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: got a split second. They have to get the shot 392 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: as they're walking from the prison van to the court 393 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: in the CBD. They believe Morogi was going to try 394 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: and break free at that instance and run through the CBD. 395 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: Can you imagine that with his hands in cuffs. Do 396 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: you know anyone that can break free of vancuffs? Because 397 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: that was his plan. 398 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 2: I suppose as long as his feet weren't shackled, he 399 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: could still run, but he wouldn't run very well, and 400 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: he would count on the prison office as being a 401 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: little bit nervous of chasing him. 402 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: Possibly, I think he thought better of it with those 403 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: two plans. Well that the latter. Anyway, it wouldn't. 404 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: It's seen a lot of future in it. Now you 405 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: need a lot of organization. Well, Reagan, it's a delight 406 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: to have you fill us in on those things you've 407 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 2: told us. How this really started with the lovers talking 408 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 2: to each other about business, and probably they should have 409 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 2: stuck to couing sweet nothings to each other. Now they're 410 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 2: both inside. 411 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: They're inside for a long time. 412 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: Crime doesn't pay, apparently not, and neither do detectives. Thanks Reagan, 413 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: Thanks Andrew, thanks for listening. Life and Crimes is a 414 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 2: Sunday Herald Sun production for true crime Australia. Our producer 415 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: is Johnty Burton. For my columns, features and more, go 416 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: to Heroldsun dot com dot au forward slash Andrew rule 417 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 2: one word. 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