1 00:00:00,030 --> 00:00:01,650 Speaker 1: Because we are joined by Joel Creasy. 2 00:00:01,790 --> 00:00:03,670 Speaker 2: So you would say practice saying no to things. 3 00:00:03,690 --> 00:00:06,130 Speaker 3: A pair of no's massive though, too. In any sort 4 00:00:06,150 --> 00:00:06,490 Speaker 3: of fashion. 5 00:00:06,530 --> 00:00:06,810 Speaker 2: Right. 6 00:00:07,370 --> 00:00:09,890 Speaker 4: I'm told I'm still sober. I'm such a people pleaser. 7 00:00:10,150 --> 00:00:11,810 Speaker 2: He wakes up earlier than me to go and play 8 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:13,620 Speaker 2: video games. We come back from the gym and he 9 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: starts playing video games. We finish eating dinner and he 10 00:00:16,380 --> 00:00:19,419 Speaker 2: starts playing video games. I have discussed with him multiple 11 00:00:19,460 --> 00:00:21,460 Speaker 2: times now that moving to a new city has been 12 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:24,980 Speaker 2: a sacrifice and has been very lonely at times. Him 13 00:00:25,020 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: choosing to play video games rather than spending time with 14 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,420 Speaker 2: me is very hurtful. And to be honest, makes me 15 00:00:29,460 --> 00:00:43,820 Speaker 2: feel even lonelier. The Relatables podcast is hosted by myself, 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: Jake Craig, a.k.a. Daddy. And my partner in crime, Mr. 17 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:54,310 Speaker 2: Odie Clark, a.k.a. Mummy. And you guys are the baddies. Big, big... Announcement, 18 00:00:54,350 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: I guess, or a very special episode because we have 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,220 Speaker 2: a baddie in the studio. Yeah. 20 00:00:59,260 --> 00:01:00,900 Speaker 1: Do you like to be called a baddie? Because we 21 00:01:00,940 --> 00:01:02,260 Speaker 1: are joined by Joel Creasy. 22 00:01:02,460 --> 00:01:05,500 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. Guilty as charged. When's my witch trial? 23 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:11,459 Speaker 2: An honorary baddie, some would say. Yeah. But thank you 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,450 Speaker 2: very much for joining us, Joel. Pleasure. We went through 25 00:01:15,490 --> 00:01:20,430 Speaker 2: the very, very vigorous effort of supplying you with a 26 00:01:20,450 --> 00:01:22,110 Speaker 2: box of Krispy Kremes because we love you so much. 27 00:01:22,130 --> 00:01:22,530 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 28 00:01:23,069 --> 00:01:27,259 Speaker 4: So they smell so good. And they there's a Krispy 29 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:29,420 Speaker 4: Kreme is appropriate. Like every occasion they are. 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: So God, a hundred percent podcast included. 31 00:01:32,819 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: Couldn't think of a better occasion. We actually just sat 32 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,430 Speaker 3: down and did an episode on Joel's show, Joel Creasy 33 00:01:38,450 --> 00:01:40,990 Speaker 3: show and had a great time. So we've already got 34 00:01:41,010 --> 00:01:41,830 Speaker 3: some great report. 35 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:45,910 Speaker 2: Joel, your shows out every single day, uh, 12 PM 36 00:01:45,970 --> 00:01:46,550 Speaker 2: to 1 PM. 37 00:01:46,569 --> 00:01:49,900 Speaker 4: Correct. I do the big exhausting one-hour lunchtime slot. 38 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: The big exhausting one-hour lunchtime slot. 39 00:01:51,460 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: Oh, no, sorry. My producer just– I didn't even get 40 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:55,300 Speaker 4: it right. 41 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:56,460 Speaker 2: One hour a day. 42 00:01:56,820 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: Sorry, 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. 43 00:01:59,700 --> 00:02:00,940 Speaker 1: Too busy enjoying the Krispy Kreme. 44 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,100 Speaker 4: I know. 45 00:02:02,140 --> 00:02:04,220 Speaker 2: I've got the warm iced one. If you guys would 46 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,460 Speaker 2: love to be the best baddies ever and go over 47 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:09,149 Speaker 2: and listen to Joel's show, and you can find that– 48 00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:13,380 Speaker 2: it gets posted on Spotify and the Nova Player app 49 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:16,010 Speaker 2: and all those sorts of things. But then where do 50 00:02:16,030 --> 00:02:18,130 Speaker 2: they listen to it on the actual radio if they 51 00:02:18,150 --> 00:02:18,710 Speaker 2: want to listen to it? 52 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:24,410 Speaker 4: Or whatever your local Nova station is. So I was 53 00:02:24,450 --> 00:02:28,500 Speaker 4: going to try and rattle off the station codes. Okay, 54 00:02:28,510 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 4: so Perth is 937. Melbourne is 100. Am I going well? Yes. 55 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 4: Brisbane is 106. 56 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,660 Speaker 2: I actually know this one. 57 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,340 Speaker 4: Shit, did I get that right? Oh, my God. I 58 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:39,940 Speaker 4: don't know the others. 59 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: Well, what's Sydney? Oh, no. 60 00:02:41,820 --> 00:02:45,220 Speaker 4: Adelaide's 99. Adelaide's 99. Nine, nine, what? Nine, one, nine. 61 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:46,350 Speaker 4: And Sydney is nine, six, nine. 62 00:02:46,910 --> 00:02:47,370 Speaker 2: Yeah. 63 00:02:50,810 --> 00:02:51,669 Speaker 4: Oh my God. 64 00:02:52,190 --> 00:02:54,769 Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Well, um, so yeah, that's where you can 65 00:02:54,810 --> 00:02:55,929 Speaker 2: find Joel show. If you want to listen to a 66 00:02:55,950 --> 00:02:58,750 Speaker 2: live and of course you can get it backed up. 67 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 4: On, on spot. Your cool listeners are probably like, what 68 00:03:01,310 --> 00:03:03,580 Speaker 4: are these numbers? What is it? 69 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,980 Speaker 1: What is the radio? Yeah. 70 00:03:06,340 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: We actually, we used to do this fun game where 71 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: we wanted to stop saying, if one of us brought 72 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: a cool fact into the show, Or if we were 73 00:03:14,740 --> 00:03:16,700 Speaker 2: talking about something and we remembered something, but that we 74 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:19,820 Speaker 2: saw on TikTok or Instagram, instead of saying, oh, I 75 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,109 Speaker 2: saw this video and everyone goes, obviously they were just 76 00:03:22,150 --> 00:03:24,130 Speaker 2: like doom scrolling on TikTok. We would say, oh, I 77 00:03:24,230 --> 00:03:25,970 Speaker 2: heard on the radio because it sounds a lot more 78 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:29,650 Speaker 2: serious and proper. And we feel, and it's like a 79 00:03:29,730 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: valid source or for lack of a better word. 80 00:03:32,180 --> 00:03:32,340 Speaker 4: Yeah. 81 00:03:32,380 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: About a valid source of information. Yeah. 82 00:03:34,060 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: Would you say your show is a valid source of information? 83 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:42,070 Speaker 4: Isn't that terrifying? I have been fast and loose with 84 00:03:42,170 --> 00:03:43,990 Speaker 4: facts before. I just like to think of it as 85 00:03:44,130 --> 00:03:46,710 Speaker 4: adding a bit of mayo and, you know, a little 86 00:03:46,750 --> 00:03:50,390 Speaker 4: bit of spice to the story. But, I mean, my 87 00:03:50,410 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: show's so not important, but I remember when I was 88 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:56,339 Speaker 4: doing Drive and then there was, I was on air 89 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,580 Speaker 4: and like a lockdown hit and I had to announce 90 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,780 Speaker 4: it as like, it was like an official thing. Someone 91 00:04:00,820 --> 00:04:02,260 Speaker 4: on air had to do it. And it was in 92 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:04,710 Speaker 4: my state and I was such a sweaty hot mess 93 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,690 Speaker 4: while doing that. Really? 94 00:04:08,050 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: Also, when lockdowns were happening and I would see it 95 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,900 Speaker 2: either on TV, like my mum would put the news 96 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,340 Speaker 2: on each morning, or if I say I heard it 97 00:04:17,380 --> 00:04:21,020 Speaker 2: on a radio about a lockdown, it's a very irrational 98 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: feeling to have. But for some reason, the person that 99 00:04:22,930 --> 00:04:25,700 Speaker 2: was announcing it, I was like, fuck you, like, I 100 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,500 Speaker 2: hate you. Oh, 100%. The person that's announcing it. 101 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,410 Speaker 1: Or did you get any hate? Like, Joel, what are 102 00:04:30,430 --> 00:04:30,750 Speaker 1: you doing? 103 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:31,690 Speaker 2: Like, Joel, shut up. 104 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:34,070 Speaker 4: No, but I kind of felt like I was responsible 105 00:04:34,110 --> 00:04:37,010 Speaker 4: for it. And I hadn't been a super spreader or 106 00:04:37,029 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 4: anything at that time, I don't think. But I, you know, 107 00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 4: you're kind of like, sorry, I think I prefaced it 108 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,180 Speaker 4: with this. hey, sorry, guys, just got to announce a 109 00:04:45,180 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 4: little snap two-week lockdown, which also in Victoria, they would never, 110 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 4: you know, snap two-week lockdown. That would be like, you know, 111 00:04:51,620 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 4: five months. And I was like, yeah, sorry. Anyway, here's 112 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,580 Speaker 4: the latest one from Ariana Grande, which wasn't even my job. 113 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 4: I wasn't even the anchor. So I don't know why 114 00:05:00,060 --> 00:05:00,940 Speaker 4: I'm throwing to the song. 115 00:05:02,180 --> 00:05:03,810 Speaker 2: So we were in both the New South Wales at 116 00:05:03,820 --> 00:05:07,250 Speaker 2: the time, Sydney, like relatively close to Sydney's central coast. 117 00:05:07,770 --> 00:05:08,390 Speaker 4: Gladys Town. 118 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:11,810 Speaker 2: So we actually, yeah, it was at the time. We, 119 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,630 Speaker 2: I remember complaining about our lockdown, but Victoria, they had 120 00:05:15,650 --> 00:05:17,130 Speaker 2: it way worse. Did they not? 121 00:05:18,170 --> 00:05:20,770 Speaker 4: Oh, we did. Yeah. We were the, um, we proudly 122 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: were the longest lockdown place in the world. And I 123 00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:27,020 Speaker 4: always say that when somewhere like Chile or a country 124 00:05:27,060 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: like that overtook us as the most lockdown place in 125 00:05:29,260 --> 00:05:31,990 Speaker 4: the world and Victoria was like, hmm. put us back 126 00:05:32,050 --> 00:05:34,270 Speaker 4: in and we won and we have that for life. 127 00:05:34,510 --> 00:05:37,410 Speaker 4: And what is the stereotype out Malvernians and Victorians? We 128 00:05:37,430 --> 00:05:39,270 Speaker 4: love to whinge. Well, there's something else for us to 129 00:05:39,290 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 4: whinge about. We've got that forever now. 130 00:05:42,060 --> 00:05:43,779 Speaker 2: Do you also love to win? 131 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:46,180 Speaker 4: Well, we did and we won, didn't we? 132 00:05:46,220 --> 00:05:46,710 Speaker 1: We won. 133 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 4: We completed lockdown. We did all 4,382 days of lockdown. 134 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,740 Speaker 4: My family were in Perth. So they were like, what's COVID? 135 00:05:54,180 --> 00:05:57,950 Speaker 2: Yeah. We actually, we dodged it. We dodged a lot 136 00:05:57,990 --> 00:05:59,950 Speaker 2: of lockdown very luckily because as we were telling you 137 00:05:59,990 --> 00:06:02,260 Speaker 2: on your show, we went on a camping trip for 138 00:06:02,300 --> 00:06:04,780 Speaker 2: three months up the East coast and we left when, 139 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: so we left and lockdown hadn't happened yet, but there 140 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: was obviously we were like, it's going to come. And 141 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:10,540 Speaker 2: so we left. 142 00:06:10,580 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 4: What's the reason for this camping trip? 143 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: No, we just had this plan. And then we just 144 00:06:14,620 --> 00:06:17,820 Speaker 2: got very lucky. We leave, we drive like four hours. 145 00:06:18,140 --> 00:06:20,659 Speaker 2: We leave four hours North, stay there for a week. 146 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: No lockdown leave two days after we leave, it gets 147 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: locked down the place we're at. And every single time 148 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 2: we moved the place we were just at would get 149 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,020 Speaker 2: locked down. And we were like, what is going on? So, 150 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: I'm a little sus that we were the super spreaders 151 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:33,740 Speaker 2: just coming from here. 152 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,740 Speaker 4: Oh, wow. 153 00:06:34,820 --> 00:06:36,140 Speaker 2: And then they'd get locked down. 154 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,820 Speaker 1: We got to Airlie Beach. See ya. The back end 155 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: of our trip was about three months. We were partying 156 00:06:41,020 --> 00:06:42,770 Speaker 1: at that time. We were kind of like drinkers then. 157 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:45,250 Speaker 1: And then we'd get Snapchats from our friends locked inside, 158 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:46,870 Speaker 1: drinking beer, like playing video games. 159 00:06:46,970 --> 00:06:48,609 Speaker 2: We were out in the air. We were cladding. 160 00:06:49,810 --> 00:06:52,550 Speaker 4: Oh, you bastards. It was so depressing. I'm so glad 161 00:06:52,610 --> 00:06:55,130 Speaker 4: I didn't know you then. I mean, as if while 162 00:06:55,170 --> 00:06:56,810 Speaker 4: you were camping, I don't know if we'd have a 163 00:06:56,810 --> 00:07:00,490 Speaker 4: whole heap to talk about. So, okay. So you didn't 164 00:07:00,529 --> 00:07:02,529 Speaker 4: go because of COVID. So you actually, because we were 165 00:07:02,550 --> 00:07:05,010 Speaker 4: speaking about this on my show, you actually went camping 166 00:07:05,410 --> 00:07:06,930 Speaker 4: for the love of camping? 167 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:07,950 Speaker 2: Yeah. 168 00:07:08,150 --> 00:07:11,460 Speaker 3: I think I find it very grounding and kind of 169 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,490 Speaker 3: like sets you back. Into like what life's really about. 170 00:07:14,510 --> 00:07:17,090 Speaker 3: Cause in everyday life, there's so many issues and so 171 00:07:17,130 --> 00:07:18,830 Speaker 3: many problems and you get trapped in your own head 172 00:07:18,890 --> 00:07:21,860 Speaker 3: and sometimes just going outside the norm outside your major 173 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: city and just seeing how relaxing and simple life can be. 174 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, wait a second. I do feel okay. 175 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:28,500 Speaker 1: I do feel good. 176 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:30,740 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've completely changed my mind about it. 177 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,820 Speaker 4: Okay. Well, I haven't, but I must admit I was 178 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 4: part of my TikTok algorithm. over the weekend as well, um, was, um, 179 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,700 Speaker 4: I got really into watching like mini docos about the 180 00:07:42,780 --> 00:07:47,740 Speaker 4: Appalachian mountains in, um, the United States. They sound terrifying. 181 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: Right. 182 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 4: The, the sheep, the sheep, the big, Skinwalkers. 183 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: In there or something like that. 184 00:07:53,340 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 4: Skinwalkers? 185 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,060 Speaker 2: Oh my God. You'll just hear noises. And everyone makes 186 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:57,460 Speaker 2: a video on TikTok saying like, if you hear the 187 00:07:57,500 --> 00:07:59,230 Speaker 2: birds stop chirping, you know, you know, you've got to 188 00:07:59,260 --> 00:07:59,850 Speaker 2: leave or something. 189 00:07:59,870 --> 00:08:01,210 Speaker 1: Sounds like something out of The Last of Us. 190 00:08:01,410 --> 00:08:04,830 Speaker 2: It's so, and then people just live there. That's crazy. 191 00:08:04,870 --> 00:08:07,230 Speaker 2: That's scary. People just live in these mountains and apparently 192 00:08:07,250 --> 00:08:07,650 Speaker 2: just go missing. 193 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:08,660 Speaker 4: I kind of want to go. 194 00:08:09,380 --> 00:08:10,980 Speaker 2: You know what's actually, if it was during the day, 195 00:08:11,020 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: I probably would go. I would never go at night. 196 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: I would go with a camera crew. I would do 197 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,820 Speaker 4: anything with a camera crew. I think I should preface that. 198 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:19,580 Speaker 2: Something I think would be really fun to do is 199 00:08:19,620 --> 00:08:22,100 Speaker 2: to go do, you know, the shows where they try 200 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,620 Speaker 2: and prove that there's something's haunted. 201 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,340 Speaker 4: Love those shows. Most haunted. I used to love that show. 202 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,170 Speaker 2: I would really love to go in with the crew 203 00:08:29,430 --> 00:08:32,410 Speaker 2: to go do that because like they, they never can 204 00:08:32,470 --> 00:08:35,530 Speaker 2: like properly prove anything, but I've always kind of thought 205 00:08:35,570 --> 00:08:38,209 Speaker 2: as well, if you're in a haunted place with that 206 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:41,929 Speaker 2: many people, I would just feel this sense of safeness 207 00:08:41,950 --> 00:08:45,330 Speaker 2: and I would really, really, really walk on the edge 208 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:45,729 Speaker 2: of assault. 209 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:47,790 Speaker 1: You haven't been there though. I don't think it would 210 00:08:47,820 --> 00:08:48,290 Speaker 1: feel like that. 211 00:08:48,820 --> 00:08:49,250 Speaker 2: Yeah. 212 00:08:49,290 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: Well, also there's the, you know, the spirits outnumbered really 213 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: with a big group. But those shows were so funny. 214 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,699 Speaker 4: Like the people that hosted them would be like, um, spirit, 215 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,740 Speaker 4: if you're there, um, can you, um, bang the table 216 00:08:59,740 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 4: 42 times? Like that's asking a lot of the spirit. 217 00:09:05,510 --> 00:09:07,010 Speaker 2: I would probably, if I was a spirit, I'd probably 218 00:09:07,030 --> 00:09:08,969 Speaker 2: bang it like twice and be like, that's what you get. 219 00:09:09,010 --> 00:09:10,410 Speaker 1: Who would you haunt, Joel, if you could, if you 220 00:09:10,450 --> 00:09:12,100 Speaker 1: came back as a ghost? Who would you haunt? 221 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:13,939 Speaker 2: Oh my God. 222 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 4: Well, I would be a poltergeist. Like I'd really commit 223 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,100 Speaker 4: to the bit. Or who would I haunt? It would 224 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,730 Speaker 4: be someone that like, I want to say like an ex, 225 00:09:23,970 --> 00:09:26,450 Speaker 4: but that's too obvious. It would be someone that slightly 226 00:09:26,850 --> 00:09:29,329 Speaker 4: wronged me once, like cut me off in a car park. 227 00:09:30,010 --> 00:09:32,860 Speaker 4: And sort of like drove away a little bit smug. Yeah. 228 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:36,340 Speaker 4: Just cause they like, so like it's such a disproportionate response. 229 00:09:36,660 --> 00:09:38,300 Speaker 4: All right. Now for the rest of your life, you 230 00:09:38,420 --> 00:09:40,900 Speaker 4: are hexed by me. 231 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,599 Speaker 2: I reckon I would probably haunt cyclists that are on 232 00:09:43,620 --> 00:09:45,900 Speaker 2: the road. Are you a cyclist? 233 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 4: That is a good call. No, no. I mean, I'm 234 00:09:47,970 --> 00:09:50,290 Speaker 4: a spin class girly, but no, I'm not a cyclist 235 00:09:50,410 --> 00:09:51,870 Speaker 4: at all. And I think that is a great call 236 00:09:52,050 --> 00:09:53,709 Speaker 4: when they come clip, clip, clip in with their stupid 237 00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:55,390 Speaker 4: shoes through the cafe, take them off. 238 00:09:56,050 --> 00:09:57,910 Speaker 2: Also, what are you doing? I just can't wrap my 239 00:09:57,929 --> 00:09:59,510 Speaker 2: head around the whole being on the road thing. Anyway, 240 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,100 Speaker 2: I like that you're a spin early because like the, 241 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,700 Speaker 2: the answer to not riding your bike on the dangerous 242 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,700 Speaker 2: road is a spin class. 243 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: Get into the spin class and, you know, just whip 244 00:10:09,540 --> 00:10:12,359 Speaker 4: your hair around here and listen to a bit of 245 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 4: Ariana and just chill out. And people, they commit to 246 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,819 Speaker 4: the bit, don't they, on the roads with the Lycra 247 00:10:19,059 --> 00:10:21,780 Speaker 4: and they're so, like I know someone that just travelled 248 00:10:22,020 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 4: through Europe with his bike. 249 00:10:23,700 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. 250 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:27,020 Speaker 4: Yeah. 251 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 252 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,300 Speaker 1: That's a whole different life. 253 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,990 Speaker 3: But, Joel, we talk a lot about advice on our podcast, 254 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:35,809 Speaker 3: a lot about dating and relationships, and we wanted to 255 00:10:35,990 --> 00:10:38,660 Speaker 3: pose the question to you. If you could look back 256 00:10:38,740 --> 00:10:41,580 Speaker 3: on your life and tell your younger or 20-year-old self 257 00:10:42,140 --> 00:10:43,980 Speaker 3: any piece of advice, what do you think. 258 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:44,420 Speaker 2: It would be? 259 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,980 Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh. It would be get the hair transplant earlier. 260 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:50,900 Speaker 4: It's worth the money. 261 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: May I ask how much it costs? Okay. 262 00:10:56,260 --> 00:10:58,370 Speaker 4: So if you want to go to my guy in Melbourne, 263 00:10:58,380 --> 00:11:02,930 Speaker 4: who's very, very good, Exhibit A, you're talking $ 20, 000. But 264 00:11:03,270 --> 00:11:05,790 Speaker 4: if you're going to Turkey... I think it's like 8K 265 00:11:05,809 --> 00:11:07,810 Speaker 4: with flights inclusive, but I don't know why you would 266 00:11:07,830 --> 00:11:09,990 Speaker 4: want to get on a plane after having quite an 267 00:11:10,050 --> 00:11:13,770 Speaker 4: invasive procedure. And also, it's on your head. It's the 268 00:11:13,790 --> 00:11:17,089 Speaker 4: first thing people see. I would spend $ 200, 000 if I 269 00:11:17,130 --> 00:11:19,490 Speaker 4: needed to. People see it all day, every day. 270 00:11:19,510 --> 00:11:22,110 Speaker 1: Do you reckon your decision was kind of forced because 271 00:11:22,150 --> 00:11:24,460 Speaker 1: people know your face? You can't go incognito? 272 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,780 Speaker 4: Well, I was like, I can't keep a secret to 273 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,819 Speaker 4: save my life. So I... it's too good a material 274 00:11:31,860 --> 00:11:34,980 Speaker 4: to not talk about, but, um, but yeah, I knew 275 00:11:35,020 --> 00:11:36,939 Speaker 4: people would know it was kind of fairly obvious. I 276 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 4: was wearing a hat for a while, just more because 277 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: it didn't look nice, but I got really creative with 278 00:11:41,260 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 4: the hats. Like I was wearing a Kubras and like 279 00:11:43,580 --> 00:11:46,300 Speaker 4: Mickey Mouse hats, like the craziest shit on air. 280 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: The thing with me is if I, if I get 281 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: a transplant or when I get a transplant, I'm going 282 00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:55,140 Speaker 2: to be going like, it's not even just cause I 283 00:11:55,210 --> 00:11:57,740 Speaker 2: want more hair. So I, I, I got a hat 284 00:11:57,780 --> 00:12:00,059 Speaker 2: on and headphones. I'd show my hairline. I've shown it 285 00:12:00,100 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 2: once or twice before on the show anyway. But I 286 00:12:03,100 --> 00:12:05,100 Speaker 2: have like a widow's peak. Like it's going back in 287 00:12:05,140 --> 00:12:06,580 Speaker 2: that sort of widow's peak way. 288 00:12:06,660 --> 00:12:07,540 Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I had. 289 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 2: And I want nothing more than to have just a 290 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,490 Speaker 2: shaved head but with a good hairline like Brad Pitt. 291 00:12:12,870 --> 00:12:14,350 Speaker 2: Not that I look like him, but I just want 292 00:12:14,380 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: nothing more than no hair. But I want to have 293 00:12:16,230 --> 00:12:16,750 Speaker 2: good hairline. 294 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,270 Speaker 4: I know what you mean. 295 00:12:19,290 --> 00:12:19,869 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. 296 00:12:19,870 --> 00:12:22,750 Speaker 4: And I don't think people should feel bad for wanting that, 297 00:12:22,830 --> 00:12:24,750 Speaker 4: especially when it's, you know, like hair is such a 298 00:12:24,830 --> 00:12:28,300 Speaker 4: thing and it's such a– you know, way to sense 299 00:12:28,370 --> 00:12:31,570 Speaker 4: of self-expression and it's so much fun and you can 300 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:33,510 Speaker 4: have so much fun with it. But when you're, you know, 301 00:12:33,550 --> 00:12:38,010 Speaker 4: struggling with it, it becomes really tricky. And like, yeah, 302 00:12:38,110 --> 00:12:40,130 Speaker 4: I'm so stoked that I had it done. 303 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 304 00:12:43,059 --> 00:12:45,180 Speaker 4: What about it done again? But that would be the advice. 305 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:47,940 Speaker 2: But you know, what's really funny is one time we 306 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: called my dad on the podcast and he's 50 something. Right. 307 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,950 Speaker 2: And yeah. And Audie said like, Oh, Hey Brett, we 308 00:12:53,970 --> 00:12:56,179 Speaker 2: just wanted to ask if there's any, anything, like if 309 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,020 Speaker 2: you could talk to your 20 year old self, what 310 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,790 Speaker 2: would you say? And my dad said, oh, I'd probably 311 00:12:59,809 --> 00:13:02,130 Speaker 2: tell him to get a hair transplant. And my dad 312 00:13:02,170 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 2: never got one and he's too far gone. There isn't 313 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,660 Speaker 2: even hairs to like go steal from anywhere else to 314 00:13:06,700 --> 00:13:08,059 Speaker 2: put in the bald spots like he's done. 315 00:13:09,110 --> 00:13:11,550 Speaker 4: They do need something to harvest in their terms. 316 00:13:11,670 --> 00:13:14,459 Speaker 1: Harvest is the craziest word for that. 317 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 2: I know. Harvest. 318 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,340 Speaker 4: And also transplant. It's all so hectic when, in reality, 319 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 4: all they give you is a Valium and a Panadol. Like, 320 00:13:20,980 --> 00:13:24,780 Speaker 4: you're not even, like, knocked out. So, I slept because 321 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,390 Speaker 4: I was just tired. But, yeah, I got home and 322 00:13:28,410 --> 00:13:30,150 Speaker 4: took one Panadol performatively. 323 00:13:30,990 --> 00:13:31,770 Speaker 1: Performatively. 324 00:13:32,570 --> 00:13:33,030 Speaker 4: I didn't need one. 325 00:13:33,870 --> 00:13:36,570 Speaker 2: Took it as like you just had to. 326 00:13:36,809 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: What about advice in the dating world? 327 00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: Because you're engaged, married? 328 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:45,540 Speaker 4: I'm engaged. It's been a long engagement though. 329 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:46,500 Speaker 2: How long? 330 00:13:47,460 --> 00:13:53,850 Speaker 4: We've been engaged for just over two years. And it's 331 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,550 Speaker 4: not anytime soon. Because I quite like the term fiancé, right? 332 00:13:57,380 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 4: And also we're renovating. So that is. 333 00:13:59,260 --> 00:14:02,100 Speaker 1: My fiance is renovating. That's kind of hot. I feel 334 00:14:02,140 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: like the two words. 335 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 4: My fiance and I are renovating. 336 00:14:04,340 --> 00:14:07,380 Speaker 2: Yeah. That is. That's cool. That is cool. 337 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,860 Speaker 4: I mean, we aren't renovating. We're sending the emails. There's 338 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,910 Speaker 4: like experience, like proper professionals doing it. But, um, but 339 00:14:14,210 --> 00:14:18,170 Speaker 4: my advice to, uh, my younger self would be, cause 340 00:14:18,190 --> 00:14:21,250 Speaker 4: I've been with Jack for almost 10 years. Um, would 341 00:14:21,290 --> 00:14:26,070 Speaker 4: be don't go looking for funny. That is such a 342 00:14:26,130 --> 00:14:28,450 Speaker 4: diss to Jack. I mean, okay. 343 00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:31,730 Speaker 2: Is Jack funny? No. I was going to say, you've 344 00:14:31,770 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: surely got enough funny for the whole relationship. Yeah. 345 00:14:34,250 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: Look, he's wonderful, but he's not funny. And I used 346 00:14:38,060 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: to think that's what I wanted. And now I realize, no, like, 347 00:14:41,060 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 4: you know, there's other skills people can have. And he 348 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 4: makes me laugh twice a year. So that's, you know, 349 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 4: that's the best you can hope for. 350 00:14:48,820 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: Are you the classic, you laugh at him, not with him? 351 00:14:51,590 --> 00:14:54,750 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. And I also say, like, if he gets 352 00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:56,910 Speaker 4: me to laugh like twice in a week, I'm like, oh, mate, 353 00:14:57,290 --> 00:14:58,810 Speaker 4: now I have to wait till 2027 for my next laugh. 354 00:14:58,830 --> 00:15:03,620 Speaker 4: Don't do that. 355 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: And how about career? Anything in career that you would 356 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:08,979 Speaker 2: want to tell your 20-year-old self? 357 00:15:09,340 --> 00:15:13,479 Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. It would be don't get the N and 358 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 4: the O fixed on your keyboard because after you do 359 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 4: a reality show, don't say yes to every single gig. 360 00:15:23,620 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 4: Because when I did the very first season of I'm 361 00:15:26,660 --> 00:15:28,910 Speaker 4: a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, and things were 362 00:15:28,930 --> 00:15:31,150 Speaker 4: going great, and then I went and hosted the after 363 00:15:31,170 --> 00:15:33,790 Speaker 4: show called I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here Now. 364 00:15:34,410 --> 00:15:36,350 Speaker 4: Creative title. How did I come up with this stuff? 365 00:15:37,010 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 4: And it was just a schmuzzle and a hot mess, 366 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:41,620 Speaker 4: and I think Like all the work I put in 367 00:15:41,660 --> 00:15:44,100 Speaker 4: on the first season just all undid itself by the 368 00:15:44,140 --> 00:15:45,780 Speaker 4: second season. 369 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,070 Speaker 3: So you would say practice saying no to things. Pair 370 00:15:48,130 --> 00:15:50,690 Speaker 3: of no is massive though too in any sort of fashion. 371 00:15:50,710 --> 00:15:51,030 Speaker 2: Right. 372 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:54,110 Speaker 4: I'm told I'm still so bad. I'm such a people pleaser. 373 00:15:54,350 --> 00:15:57,270 Speaker 2: Really? Yeah. I would say we kind of are, but 374 00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:59,890 Speaker 2: I think when we have each other, like do you 375 00:15:59,930 --> 00:16:02,610 Speaker 2: have someone to bounce off? Because if we're talking about 376 00:16:02,650 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: Joel Creasy as like a media personality, it's just Joel Creasy, correct? 377 00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:11,390 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, there's like my management and stuff and 378 00:16:11,410 --> 00:16:13,650 Speaker 4: they're very good at saying no. And that's why I 379 00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:16,300 Speaker 4: have them because otherwise I would say yes to everything 380 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 4: and I would never get paid a cent because I'd 381 00:16:18,660 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 4: be like, oh, I'm shit. I'll do it for free. 382 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,580 Speaker 1: And you still think that where you're at now? 383 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:23,900 Speaker 2: Yeah. 384 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,730 Speaker 4: It's the Australian way. It's just beaten into us. 385 00:16:28,330 --> 00:16:31,810 Speaker 2: It's actually, yeah, that's actually a good point. I don't know. 386 00:16:31,890 --> 00:16:33,990 Speaker 2: It's got a, I've always assumed it's like this all 387 00:16:34,010 --> 00:16:36,650 Speaker 2: over the world, but there is sort of a thing that, 388 00:16:37,290 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: people say in Australia about the tall poppy syndrome type 389 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:40,500 Speaker 2: of thing. 390 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:42,900 Speaker 4: Did you, and I used to live and work in 391 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,140 Speaker 4: the U S and that, that ain't a thing over there. 392 00:16:46,460 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 4: So it's a real weird juxtaposition. 393 00:16:48,820 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: That is interesting. What age did you live and work in. 394 00:16:51,140 --> 00:16:56,780 Speaker 4: The U S? I was there from about 23. Oh no. 395 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: Earlier. Yeah. 396 00:16:57,860 --> 00:17:02,450 Speaker 4: No, about 23 to about 27. So kind of 10, 397 00:17:02,450 --> 00:17:03,780 Speaker 4: 10 ish years ago. 398 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:04,700 Speaker 2: Okay. 399 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: Fair. And what brought you over there? 400 00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:15,109 Speaker 4: I was opening for an American stand-up comic for a while, 401 00:17:15,130 --> 00:17:17,389 Speaker 4: and then I met, I also had my ex was 402 00:17:17,430 --> 00:17:20,129 Speaker 4: American as well. So he lived in LA, and that 403 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:22,070 Speaker 4: was very convenient because I had somewhere to live when 404 00:17:22,090 --> 00:17:24,629 Speaker 4: I wasn't touring with her, and it all kind of 405 00:17:24,650 --> 00:17:27,430 Speaker 4: parlayed nicely into each other until she died and he 406 00:17:27,730 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 4: broke up with me. 407 00:17:30,020 --> 00:17:31,620 Speaker 2: Both in the same year? 408 00:17:32,869 --> 00:17:36,669 Speaker 4: Um, what happened first? She died. This is Joan Rivers. 409 00:17:36,820 --> 00:17:38,100 Speaker 4: I'm talking about. 410 00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:39,060 Speaker 2: Sorry to hear that. Yeah. 411 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,500 Speaker 4: Well, very selfish of her because I had a great 412 00:17:41,540 --> 00:17:44,899 Speaker 4: career opening for her and, um, and it's fine. It's 413 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,500 Speaker 4: Joan Rivers. She would love that joke. Um, and then 414 00:17:47,619 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 4: he broke up with me after. Yes, he did. Um, 415 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 4: so they weren't actually that far apart. Come to think 416 00:17:53,580 --> 00:17:55,030 Speaker 4: of it. Bastard. Dang. 417 00:17:55,050 --> 00:17:56,389 Speaker 2: That is a low blow. Yeah. 418 00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:57,830 Speaker 1: Almost a double whammy. 419 00:17:58,890 --> 00:17:59,290 Speaker 2: I know. 420 00:17:59,350 --> 00:18:00,229 Speaker 4: I don't know what was worse. 421 00:18:01,410 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: Um, well, We do a thing on our show called Dilemmas, 422 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:13,980 Speaker 2: and listeners send in dilemmas. And we thought, who else 423 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: to help? But we always think, oh, it'd be nice 424 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: to have one more person here, whether it be someone 425 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,429 Speaker 2: a little older, a little younger. We always want someone else. 426 00:18:23,470 --> 00:18:24,870 Speaker 2: And so we have a dilemma we'd like to read 427 00:18:24,930 --> 00:18:26,510 Speaker 2: to you. Wow, thank you. 428 00:18:26,530 --> 00:18:28,070 Speaker 4: And see if you can help us with it. Yeah, 429 00:18:28,090 --> 00:18:29,669 Speaker 4: of course I can. Hear if you need in the 430 00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:30,410 Speaker 4: words of Liz Ellis. 431 00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:34,830 Speaker 2: All right, so. This one is about who's in the wrong. 432 00:18:36,190 --> 00:18:39,430 Speaker 2: I am currently a stay at home wife with a 433 00:18:39,470 --> 00:18:42,670 Speaker 2: husband who travels often for a career. We actually just 434 00:18:42,750 --> 00:18:45,830 Speaker 2: relocated to New York city for his career, which means 435 00:18:45,930 --> 00:18:47,810 Speaker 2: I am in a big city where I don't know anyone. 436 00:18:48,410 --> 00:18:50,450 Speaker 2: My husband will be traveling for work three to four 437 00:18:50,490 --> 00:18:53,450 Speaker 2: days at a time. Our time together is limited. Here 438 00:18:53,490 --> 00:18:56,699 Speaker 2: is the dilemma. My husband is a big gamer. He 439 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,830 Speaker 2: will come home from work. Um, uh, sorry from working 440 00:18:59,869 --> 00:19:02,810 Speaker 2: a four day shift and immediately just wants to play 441 00:19:02,869 --> 00:19:05,470 Speaker 2: video games. He wakes up earlier than me to go 442 00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:07,330 Speaker 2: and play video games. We come back from the gym 443 00:19:07,390 --> 00:19:09,950 Speaker 2: and he starts playing video games. We finish eating dinner 444 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: and he starts playing video games. I have discussed with 445 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,100 Speaker 2: him multiple times now that moving to a new city 446 00:19:15,140 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: has been a sacrifice and has been very lonely at times. 447 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 2: Him choosing to play video games rather than spending time 448 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:23,270 Speaker 2: with me is very hurtful. And to be honest, makes 449 00:19:23,310 --> 00:19:26,669 Speaker 2: me feel even lonelier. I understand that he works extremely hard. 450 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: And I feel as though I am pretty lenient with 451 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,709 Speaker 2: him playing video games. I am already pretty independent, so 452 00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:37,490 Speaker 2: I don't mind him playing most of the time. It 453 00:19:37,650 --> 00:19:39,530 Speaker 2: really feels like a slap in the face when he 454 00:19:39,630 --> 00:19:41,870 Speaker 2: chooses to play in the evening rather than having to 455 00:19:41,950 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: be intimate slash close with each other. What is your 456 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:47,580 Speaker 2: advice going forward? I have discussed this problem with him 457 00:19:47,619 --> 00:19:50,619 Speaker 2: multiple times and it seems to keep happening. now he 458 00:19:50,660 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: tends to ask me for permission before playing in my 459 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,899 Speaker 2: opinion he knows something will make me upset sorry if 460 00:19:56,940 --> 00:19:59,140 Speaker 2: he knows something will make me upset i don't think 461 00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:02,619 Speaker 2: asking for permission makes a difference if you guys have 462 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,590 Speaker 2: any advice it would be extremely appreciated love you both 463 00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: and the pod I. 464 00:20:05,980 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 4: Mean, you guys have listeners that moved to New York? 465 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,660 Speaker 4: You guys are fancy. 466 00:20:11,260 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: She may be American already, though. 467 00:20:13,380 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: She might not be Australian. Oh, of course. That's what 468 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:17,810 Speaker 1: you took away from that? 469 00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:21,390 Speaker 2: That's what you were thinking about that whole time. Wow. 470 00:20:22,109 --> 00:20:26,110 Speaker 4: I mean, get it, girl. Wow. My partner's a gamer, 471 00:20:26,170 --> 00:20:31,150 Speaker 4: so I understand that. Yeah, I can totally relate. Like, 472 00:20:31,210 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 4: I don't understand it. Like, I don't know what he's doing. 473 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 4: I'm like, how's... How's World of Warcraft today? I know 474 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 4: he's not playing that. 475 00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: It's just a game, you know. 476 00:20:39,180 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the only game I know. How's The Sims? 477 00:20:43,090 --> 00:20:45,050 Speaker 4: I don't think that, yeah, he was shooting people up 478 00:20:45,090 --> 00:20:50,169 Speaker 4: in The Sims. But we can lose days to him playing. 479 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:52,170 Speaker 4: I mean, see, this is the thing, though. He doesn't 480 00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:54,950 Speaker 4: do it all the time. Like, he just goes through phases. 481 00:20:55,070 --> 00:20:57,629 Speaker 2: I guess imagine if you're, may I ask what your 482 00:20:57,650 --> 00:20:59,930 Speaker 2: husband does for, so your fiancé, what your fiancé does 483 00:21:00,210 --> 00:21:02,609 Speaker 2: for work? Is it like just nine to five or 484 00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:03,810 Speaker 2: is he doing something different? 485 00:21:04,410 --> 00:21:07,330 Speaker 4: I'm so glad you asked. He is a professional waddle. 486 00:21:07,790 --> 00:21:09,210 Speaker 1: Oh my God. 487 00:21:09,250 --> 00:21:12,030 Speaker 4: Like, he actually is. And a really successful one, so 488 00:21:12,130 --> 00:21:13,750 Speaker 4: I don't feel bad saying that either. 489 00:21:13,950 --> 00:21:15,010 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, valid. 490 00:21:15,030 --> 00:21:16,369 Speaker 1: He can get away with the gaming because he looks 491 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:17,100 Speaker 1: so good doing it. 492 00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's... It's so irritating. He's actually so good looking 493 00:21:20,859 --> 00:21:23,149 Speaker 4: that it's boring. Like, earlier he was like, don't look 494 00:21:23,170 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 4: at me, I look sick. I'm like, shit, you look 495 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,500 Speaker 4: like me on my best day. Like, if I look 496 00:21:27,540 --> 00:21:29,460 Speaker 4: like that, that would be my profile picture for the 497 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 4: rest of my life. You look like you're modelling whatever 498 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,100 Speaker 4: this influenza is. 499 00:21:33,020 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 2: Um... It looks like it's about to be filmed and 500 00:21:35,340 --> 00:21:36,060 Speaker 2: put up on an ad. Yeah. 501 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,780 Speaker 4: That's so funny. 502 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: Rack off. So is this a lot of time at home? Yeah. 503 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,220 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. 504 00:21:42,260 --> 00:21:44,629 Speaker 4: You're like in and out. And then at the moment, 505 00:21:44,670 --> 00:21:46,590 Speaker 4: cause I, yeah, I think I mentioned we're renovating, we're 506 00:21:46,609 --> 00:21:49,869 Speaker 4: in like a small apartment and we kind of just 507 00:21:49,890 --> 00:21:53,690 Speaker 4: like living in the bedroom and which sounds way sexier 508 00:21:53,730 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 4: than it actually is. Cause it's mostly him gaming. 509 00:21:57,740 --> 00:21:58,060 Speaker 2: Right. 510 00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:00,260 Speaker 1: Does he game by himself or with friends? 511 00:22:01,130 --> 00:22:04,290 Speaker 4: With friends. And I was actually talking about this before he, 512 00:22:05,070 --> 00:22:07,410 Speaker 4: they talk and I don't know when he's on mute 513 00:22:07,470 --> 00:22:09,130 Speaker 4: or not. Cause he'll came for a few hours. So 514 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 4: if I say something I've forgotten, he's got the headset on. 515 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: So I hope I'm like, well, hope that was muted. 516 00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:14,300 Speaker 1: Yeah. 517 00:22:14,660 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 4: Um, but I also quite enjoy it cause I know 518 00:22:17,980 --> 00:22:21,220 Speaker 4: he's there, but then I can like do my own thing. 519 00:22:21,260 --> 00:22:24,330 Speaker 4: Like what, like, you know, watch documentaries about the Appalachian mountains. 520 00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:26,609 Speaker 2: That's true. I wonder if it is maybe a grass 521 00:22:26,670 --> 00:22:28,730 Speaker 2: is greener situation. It would obviously be nice if he 522 00:22:28,750 --> 00:22:32,420 Speaker 2: was spending more time with, um, his wife for the, 523 00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: for the person that sent a dilemma, it'd be nice. 524 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:36,570 Speaker 2: But I wonder if like, if he just goes stuff it, 525 00:22:36,580 --> 00:22:38,140 Speaker 2: I'll throw out the video games. Would you be like, 526 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,260 Speaker 2: now I'm sick of you type of thing? Yeah. 527 00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 4: I think it's about finding a balance of funding, but 528 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,500 Speaker 4: you know, getting the screen time hours down. 529 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 530 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,070 Speaker 4: But, um, yeah, cause I don't like, I don't need 531 00:22:48,090 --> 00:22:50,730 Speaker 4: to talk to Jack all the time. Like I enjoy 532 00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:52,150 Speaker 4: a bit of time, but then I'm like, you go, 533 00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:54,350 Speaker 4: you go shoot some people and I'll go, you know, 534 00:22:54,369 --> 00:22:57,969 Speaker 4: investigate the skinwalkers or whatever they're called. We've both got 535 00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:58,670 Speaker 4: our lanes. 536 00:22:59,230 --> 00:22:59,870 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 537 00:23:00,340 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: What do you reckon? 538 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,490 Speaker 3: I think the problem with this dilemma isn't actually that 539 00:23:04,530 --> 00:23:06,629 Speaker 3: he's a gamer. It's the fact that she's uncomfortable with 540 00:23:06,670 --> 00:23:09,070 Speaker 3: it and he continues to do it. Because gaming gets 541 00:23:09,090 --> 00:23:11,890 Speaker 3: a really bad rap in my eyes because for some 542 00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:14,690 Speaker 3: reason the stigma behind it is like, you're nerdy or 543 00:23:14,869 --> 00:23:16,530 Speaker 3: you're spending too much time on a screen. But if 544 00:23:16,570 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 3: he was just watching Netflix, it probably wouldn't be an issue. 545 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:21,139 Speaker 3: And the thing a lot of partners can't understand, not 546 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,620 Speaker 3: that I'm backing and defending gaming, is like your partner 547 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,350 Speaker 3: or a lot of men who game, they game for 548 00:23:27,369 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 3: the connection through a screen with their friends. And for 549 00:23:29,970 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 3: some reason, men need that something going on in the background. 550 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: They need to shoot someone or they need to climb 551 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: something or build something while they're talking to their friends 552 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 3: about their feelings. I don't know what this guy's doing. 553 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if he's doing that, but I used 554 00:23:44,060 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 3: to game like back in the day. And that's why 555 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 3: I liked it. My best mate and I would jump 556 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,700 Speaker 3: on Fortnite every afternoon. And at that time, his dad 557 00:23:51,740 --> 00:23:54,190 Speaker 3: was very sick. And we'd just talk about it in 558 00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:56,629 Speaker 3: the background. We'd have fun and games and then And 559 00:23:56,650 --> 00:23:59,709 Speaker 3: I think a lot of relationships struggle to understand how 560 00:23:59,750 --> 00:24:03,330 Speaker 3: much it means to a man. Saying that, because the 561 00:24:03,410 --> 00:24:06,630 Speaker 3: partner or the person who sent this in has talked 562 00:24:06,650 --> 00:24:08,990 Speaker 3: to the partner and said it's an issue and everything 563 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:09,210 Speaker 3: like that. 564 00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 4: That's such a good answer, by the way. That's what 565 00:24:11,340 --> 00:24:11,900 Speaker 4: I meant to say. 566 00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:16,140 Speaker 1: I think also, sorry if. 567 00:24:16,100 --> 00:24:18,899 Speaker 2: I'm stealing what you're about to say, Odi, but the 568 00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:21,500 Speaker 2: hard thing about it is you can know that and 569 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:27,109 Speaker 2: recognize it, but if you say to your partner, this 570 00:24:27,170 --> 00:24:29,850 Speaker 2: is an issue for me. Like I feel alone. I 571 00:24:30,410 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: sacrificed where I used to live and friends and family 572 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: to come move here because I wanted to do it 573 00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: because I love you. And then instead of him thinking, wow, 574 00:24:41,420 --> 00:24:43,419 Speaker 2: you know, she's really sacrificed a lot. I should just 575 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,370 Speaker 2: make some time to maybe go out on a few 576 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,510 Speaker 2: more dates or even try and set up going somewhere 577 00:24:48,530 --> 00:24:51,210 Speaker 2: to make another friend that's a couple, like another couple friend. 578 00:24:51,270 --> 00:24:51,889 Speaker 1: Yeah. 579 00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:55,980 Speaker 2: It's like him just... probably hanging out with her as 580 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: almost like a, like you were saying about your neurophone 581 00:24:58,100 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: or pentaderm really like performatively and then being like, do 582 00:25:01,619 --> 00:25:03,300 Speaker 2: you mind if I go play video games? Like that 583 00:25:03,340 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: is a huge slap in the face. I can see that. 584 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,020 Speaker 1: So it's a hard one because you've brought it up. 585 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,290 Speaker 2: So it's like really the thing with men that's really 586 00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:15,830 Speaker 2: stupid and that I hate, and I also fall under 587 00:25:15,850 --> 00:25:17,910 Speaker 2: this category. My girlfriend does it with me. And then 588 00:25:19,470 --> 00:25:23,410 Speaker 2: it's like, we, we just, for some reason we can't, 589 00:25:23,910 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 2: see that side of it a lot of the time. And, 590 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 2: and I, my girlfriend's really good because she just obviously 591 00:25:33,580 --> 00:25:36,340 Speaker 2: stands up for herself. And, and I think I'm obviously, 592 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,300 Speaker 2: I think I'm good and stuff, but I think that 593 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,490 Speaker 2: a lot of men were just a lot more self-centered than, 594 00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:44,790 Speaker 2: than we like to think we are. So it's a 595 00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:46,109 Speaker 2: hard one because if you have to explain it to 596 00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:48,290 Speaker 2: him the way I just explained it, then you're like, 597 00:25:48,530 --> 00:25:49,850 Speaker 2: why am I explaining this to a grown man? 598 00:25:49,869 --> 00:25:50,550 Speaker 1: They're very thick. 599 00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:52,990 Speaker 4: He's also getting stimulated by doing the work travel as well, 600 00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 4: where she's in the one spot. 601 00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, true. So she's a stay at home wife 602 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,859 Speaker 2: right now. I wonder if maybe, did you say stay 603 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: at home mom or stay at home wife? I believe 604 00:26:01,220 --> 00:26:02,500 Speaker 2: it was stay at home wife. If you don't have kids, 605 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,260 Speaker 2: you could potentially go just get a job for the 606 00:26:04,820 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: performativeness of it. 607 00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:08,430 Speaker 3: You just shouldn't have to do that. When they don't 608 00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:09,730 Speaker 3: listen to you, it makes it so hard. 609 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:09,890 Speaker 2: Yeah. 610 00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:11,649 Speaker 1: You've been so vocal about it. 611 00:26:12,330 --> 00:26:14,750 Speaker 2: Look, we don't shy away from saying breakup or divorce. 612 00:26:14,830 --> 00:26:16,970 Speaker 1: I don't think this is breakup. I think this is like, 613 00:26:17,410 --> 00:26:18,020 Speaker 1: come on, mate. 614 00:26:18,140 --> 00:26:20,460 Speaker 3: Fucking listen to this podcast and pull your head in 615 00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 3: a little bit and be with your partner. You're still 616 00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 3: allowed a game. 617 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: Here's the thing that I think though as well is 618 00:26:24,619 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: like if you were to say it a few times 619 00:26:25,980 --> 00:26:29,460 Speaker 2: and then nothing changes, right? Like that's full. You'd think 620 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,180 Speaker 2: to yourself, oh, why would I divorce him over something 621 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,350 Speaker 2: this small? It's just video games. But at the same time, 622 00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:35,490 Speaker 2: it's like, is it? 623 00:26:36,260 --> 00:26:38,380 Speaker 4: Yeah, is he listening or is he trying to prove 624 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,900 Speaker 4: a point by not listening? 625 00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 626 00:26:40,660 --> 00:26:41,590 Speaker 4: Then you kind of go down that road. 627 00:26:41,609 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: If you wanted to break up, by all means break up. 628 00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:45,230 Speaker 2: And if someone said, why? And you're like, oh, because 629 00:26:45,250 --> 00:26:47,490 Speaker 2: he kept on playing video games. It's like, it's not 630 00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:50,050 Speaker 2: their business to say, oh, that's the shittest reason ever. 631 00:26:50,170 --> 00:26:51,330 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 632 00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:53,990 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, she's committed to moving to New York 633 00:26:54,190 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 4: for him. So, yeah, I think he can, you know, just. 634 00:26:58,770 --> 00:27:00,830 Speaker 4: Dial it back a little bit. Also, can't you take 635 00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:03,140 Speaker 4: your games on your work trips, bro? 636 00:27:03,220 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 637 00:27:03,619 --> 00:27:05,540 Speaker 2: Get all your gaming out on these work trips. Surely, like, 638 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,340 Speaker 2: even if you're working 12 hours a day, you don't 639 00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:13,140 Speaker 2: go back and then go to sleep straight away. Yeah. Yeah. 640 00:27:13,460 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: Have you ever been addicted to video games, Joel? 641 00:27:17,340 --> 00:27:20,169 Speaker 4: No. I played, like, a bit in high school growing up, 642 00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:24,929 Speaker 4: but it wasn't ever really my forte. Yeah. but you 643 00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:26,190 Speaker 4: know i was mad like i was i was like 644 00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 4: old school like nintendo 64 mario kart days um and 645 00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 4: then i got an xbox performatively because all the other 646 00:27:33,460 --> 00:27:36,460 Speaker 4: boys were and i thought i needed to get one 647 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,580 Speaker 4: and i don't even i don't even know if i 648 00:27:38,619 --> 00:27:39,780 Speaker 4: ever took it out of the box. 649 00:27:42,369 --> 00:27:44,389 Speaker 2: Wait we'd get along because i i got an xbox 650 00:27:44,410 --> 00:27:47,530 Speaker 2: performatively once and i tried to play i tried so 651 00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:51,100 Speaker 2: hard i like I would force myself to play video 652 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,100 Speaker 2: games in the afternoon. I would, I never even want, 653 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,219 Speaker 2: I wouldn't go home. I would go home and be like, 654 00:27:55,260 --> 00:27:56,699 Speaker 2: Oh my God, I gotta go play video games. 655 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,980 Speaker 4: Like what am I supposed to have? 656 00:27:58,180 --> 00:28:01,100 Speaker 2: And I would like try to get good, but I just, 657 00:28:01,740 --> 00:28:03,939 Speaker 2: for some reason hated it. And looking back now, it's 658 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,660 Speaker 2: like the best thing ever that I never got addicted 659 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 2: to video games or at least in my life. 660 00:28:08,369 --> 00:28:11,230 Speaker 4: I was, um, I was a mad tennis player growing up. 661 00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:12,969 Speaker 4: So every day after school, I was like, I was 662 00:28:12,990 --> 00:28:18,030 Speaker 4: down the courts playing. Um, yeah, like every day, like, yeah, 663 00:28:18,190 --> 00:28:21,090 Speaker 4: loved it. I was, I genuinely thought I was Serena Williams. 664 00:28:21,310 --> 00:28:23,550 Speaker 4: Like I loved her so much that I actually, like, 665 00:28:23,609 --> 00:28:26,709 Speaker 4: I started like playing like her, like trying to like 666 00:28:26,770 --> 00:28:28,670 Speaker 4: mimic her play. I would grunt. 667 00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:29,310 Speaker 2: Yeah. 668 00:28:29,369 --> 00:28:30,450 Speaker 4: I love everything Serena. 669 00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:33,130 Speaker 2: Are the grunts in tennis performative? Cause you used to play? 670 00:28:34,030 --> 00:28:38,850 Speaker 4: From a 14-year-old playing at the Uppercross Village Tennis Club, yes. 671 00:28:40,150 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 4: But I don't know. I don't think from like an 672 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,860 Speaker 4: elite athlete like Serena. No, I think it's like just 673 00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 4: you're wanting to do everything to wheel that ball into 674 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,750 Speaker 4: the right spot as fast as possible. 675 00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:53,870 Speaker 2: I've just always found it so weird that everyone's so 676 00:28:53,950 --> 00:28:56,370 Speaker 2: silent and there's just these grunts going back and forth. 677 00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:59,150 Speaker 1: Some of the grunts are a bit like, they seem forced. 678 00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:02,570 Speaker 2: They're like, oh! Well, the one I remember, Sharapova was 679 00:29:02,610 --> 00:29:03,270 Speaker 2: a bit of a scream. 680 00:29:03,290 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 4: She's the famous one. 681 00:29:04,170 --> 00:29:07,330 Speaker 2: She's the famous one. I don't mind hearing like a, 682 00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:09,830 Speaker 2: just like a proper, you know, like. It's the same 683 00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:10,270 Speaker 2: in the gym. 684 00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:12,860 Speaker 1: I think grunting in the gym is performative. Like you 685 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,540 Speaker 1: just breathe. 686 00:29:13,650 --> 00:29:14,660 Speaker 4: Oh, massively. 687 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,980 Speaker 2: If you're grunting in the gym, that's so performative. 688 00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 4: Like your final rep or something. 689 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: Okay. 690 00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 691 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,860 Speaker 4: Like at the top. Yeah, sure. I get that, but 692 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,740 Speaker 4: some people are so loud. And when I'm at the gym, 693 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,900 Speaker 4: I want to draw as little attention to the fact 694 00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:32,590 Speaker 4: that I'm there as possible. I just want to get in, 695 00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:35,420 Speaker 4: do it, get out. That's imagine wanting to get like 696 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,739 Speaker 4: let everyone know to signpost yes i'm over here on 697 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:41,700 Speaker 4: this bench press and clearly struggling with it because i'm 698 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,780 Speaker 4: making so much noise. 699 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 2: Because it sounds like i'm having sex. 700 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,390 Speaker 4: I also think there's sometimes sounds like that. 701 00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:49,830 Speaker 2: I also think i it's it falls under the same 702 00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:52,230 Speaker 2: category as sneezing for me i think sneezing is the 703 00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:53,910 Speaker 2: most performative thing if you do a loud one. 704 00:29:54,410 --> 00:29:55,490 Speaker 4: Oh, no, but isn't it satisfying? 705 00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:57,630 Speaker 2: Oh, it's satisfying. And I love doing a loud one 706 00:29:57,670 --> 00:29:59,860 Speaker 2: and have a couple people look back at you. 707 00:29:59,890 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%. 708 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,860 Speaker 4: But are you getting louder as you get older? 709 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: I've always been loud. 710 00:30:05,060 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 2: No, because I'll be loud if it's just me and audio, 711 00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 2: I'll be loud if it's just me and my girlfriend, 712 00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:11,770 Speaker 2: I'll be loud. But if I'm somewhere like at the 713 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:13,510 Speaker 2: gym or if I'm on a plane, I can just 714 00:30:13,530 --> 00:30:15,470 Speaker 2: be like, and it's like, I can be as silent 715 00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:16,010 Speaker 2: as I want to be. 716 00:30:17,030 --> 00:30:18,050 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. 717 00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:19,750 Speaker 2: That's a good point. So that's why it's the most 718 00:30:19,770 --> 00:30:21,810 Speaker 2: performative thing ever because you can be quiet. Yeah. 719 00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:25,290 Speaker 4: I remember getting told in sex ed growing up that 720 00:30:25,330 --> 00:30:26,770 Speaker 4: a sneeze was like an orgasm. 721 00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:28,610 Speaker 2: Yeah, what? I wish. 722 00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:29,290 Speaker 4: Did you get that too? 723 00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:31,490 Speaker 2: I swear I've seen a thing where it's like a 724 00:30:31,810 --> 00:30:33,890 Speaker 2: sneeze is one eighth of an orgasm. So then it's like, 725 00:30:33,970 --> 00:30:35,930 Speaker 2: is eight sneezes an orgasm? 726 00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:39,330 Speaker 4: Yeah, like line me up. Yeah, give me some pepper 727 00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:39,750 Speaker 4: or something. 728 00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:40,700 Speaker 1: What was it? 729 00:30:40,750 --> 00:30:42,380 Speaker 3: No, I swear this can't be true. This is a 730 00:30:42,390 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 3: bit derog, but I thought it was when you're having 731 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,450 Speaker 3: sex with a woman and they sneeze at like, Broke 732 00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:47,930 Speaker 3: your doodle. 733 00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:49,570 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've heard of that as well. I've heard of that. 734 00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:51,150 Speaker 2: Apparently the muscles down there are pretty strong. 735 00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:52,250 Speaker 1: Is that true? 736 00:30:52,270 --> 00:30:53,110 Speaker 4: How have I heard of that? 737 00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:54,090 Speaker 2: I don't know. 738 00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:57,190 Speaker 1: Hey, I mean. 739 00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:59,610 Speaker 2: You're part of the world, I suppose. I've also heard 740 00:30:59,630 --> 00:31:01,430 Speaker 2: that when you sneeze, apparently you say bless you because 741 00:31:01,470 --> 00:31:03,300 Speaker 2: your heart stops for a beat. Oh, shit. 742 00:31:03,340 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: It just can't be true. 743 00:31:04,220 --> 00:31:05,460 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. 744 00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:07,980 Speaker 4: I've never thought about why I say bless you. And 745 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,060 Speaker 4: I'm not a particularly religious person, but I say it. 746 00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:12,230 Speaker 2: And it used to be like, God bless you. Yeah. 747 00:31:12,390 --> 00:31:13,690 Speaker 2: And so apparently it's because your heart stops. 748 00:31:13,710 --> 00:31:14,830 Speaker 1: Me and my girlfriend had the joke. If one of 749 00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:16,170 Speaker 1: us don't say it, it's like, where's my bless? 750 00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:16,450 Speaker 2: Yeah. 751 00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:17,390 Speaker 1: Why didn't you bless me? 752 00:31:17,390 --> 00:31:18,250 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Totally. 753 00:31:19,150 --> 00:31:22,540 Speaker 3: And to finish Joel, to finish the episode, we have 754 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 3: spoke actually quite a lot on sharp left turn too, 755 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,580 Speaker 3: by the way, the male loneliness epidemic where we don't 756 00:31:30,660 --> 00:31:33,100 Speaker 3: like the title to be fair, but I guess that's 757 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,410 Speaker 3: just what everyone knows it as where There's an increasing 758 00:31:36,510 --> 00:31:41,250 Speaker 3: number of men feeling isolated, lonely, vulnerable with their friends 759 00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 3: and also in relationships. And we just wanted to hear 760 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 3: maybe your take on it, especially from maybe a bit 761 00:31:47,660 --> 00:31:50,890 Speaker 3: of an older lens or someone who's experienced more life 762 00:31:50,910 --> 00:31:51,510 Speaker 3: than both of us. 763 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,850 Speaker 4: Okay. Well, I don't reckon you needed to add that 764 00:31:54,890 --> 00:31:55,410 Speaker 4: last bit. 765 00:31:55,470 --> 00:31:58,950 Speaker 2: I was just going to say that was the nicest 766 00:31:59,010 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 2: attempt at trying to say someone that's older. Wow. 767 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 4: I feel so wise. 768 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh, my God. I was hoping for like 769 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,450 Speaker 1: a mentor's POV. It didn't come out right. 770 00:32:11,650 --> 00:32:12,980 Speaker 4: I know. Now my answer's got to be. 771 00:32:13,530 --> 00:32:15,050 Speaker 1: You know when you have notes and you're trying to 772 00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:17,930 Speaker 1: make it make sense and sound good in your head? 773 00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:20,250 Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be good. Do you have a 774 00:32:20,270 --> 00:32:21,950 Speaker 2: take on it? Is it something that's brought up in 775 00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:23,230 Speaker 2: your circle? Is it something that. 776 00:32:23,170 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 4: People talk about? Well, it's scary because loneliness is so terrifying. 777 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,620 Speaker 4: And you can be in a busy room in a 778 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,460 Speaker 4: relationship and it still can be there. And yeah, I 779 00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:38,660 Speaker 4: guess it is such a prevalent thing with men. And 780 00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 4: all I can say is the best thing, there's nothing 781 00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:44,390 Speaker 4: wrong with talking about it. And it's kind of, I 782 00:32:44,430 --> 00:32:45,870 Speaker 4: think it's quite cool. I think it's quite rock and 783 00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:49,620 Speaker 4: roll to show that you're in touch with that side 784 00:32:49,630 --> 00:32:53,620 Speaker 4: of you and your emotions. And particularly for a straight man, 785 00:32:54,420 --> 00:32:58,500 Speaker 4: as someone that gets to, what's the word I'm looking for? 786 00:32:58,780 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 4: As someone who gets to spend a bit of time 787 00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:05,030 Speaker 4: on enemy territory, hanging out with the girls, I know 788 00:33:05,050 --> 00:33:07,090 Speaker 4: that they like a man that are in touch with 789 00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 4: their feelings and is upfront about it. There's nothing, like 790 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,460 Speaker 4: weak about it at all. In fact, I think it 791 00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:19,340 Speaker 4: just shows strength, if anything else. So yeah, it is a, 792 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:21,530 Speaker 4: it's a scary time. And particularly with the amount of 793 00:33:21,550 --> 00:33:25,489 Speaker 4: people just getting red peeled at the moment. Um, yeah, I, I'm, 794 00:33:25,630 --> 00:33:29,750 Speaker 4: I'm not remotely surprised that things aren't getting better. They're 795 00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:32,930 Speaker 4: only getting worse because not, it's not like, yeah, there's not, 796 00:33:33,170 --> 00:33:36,380 Speaker 4: not everyone's like you guys. Um, it's terrifying how much 797 00:33:36,420 --> 00:33:39,050 Speaker 4: is out there. for people to discover and learn on 798 00:33:39,070 --> 00:33:40,310 Speaker 4: their own without any guidance. 799 00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:44,070 Speaker 3: Well, Jake said the other day that someone who creates 800 00:33:44,130 --> 00:33:47,969 Speaker 3: a new Instagram account, within the first three minutes of 801 00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:51,850 Speaker 3: creating the account, you will be fed some type of 802 00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:53,930 Speaker 3: manosphere red pill bullshit. 803 00:33:54,690 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: The young, impressionable men. And, like, that's because it gets 804 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,220 Speaker 1: the clicks. That's what people, like, you have that sort 805 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,140 Speaker 1: of X factor of, like, oh, shit, what's that? 806 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: And then the impressionable men who, like, don't know anything 807 00:34:05,540 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 3: about life who are, 16, 17, 18, dealing with this? 808 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 4: I wouldn't even know how to begin raising someone at 809 00:34:13,180 --> 00:34:17,340 Speaker 4: the moment. My sisters have two, I've got two nieces 810 00:34:17,410 --> 00:34:21,250 Speaker 4: and a nephew. They're three, two, and one. And I 811 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:24,730 Speaker 4: wouldn't even begin to know how to start raising kids 812 00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:27,509 Speaker 4: at the moment with social media. I came through in 813 00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:30,350 Speaker 4: the days of MSN and the early days of the internet. 814 00:34:30,930 --> 00:34:33,509 Speaker 4: And I, that was, I can't even imagine how my 815 00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:36,660 Speaker 4: parents dealt with it. So I, have no idea how 816 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 4: the future generations are going. 817 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:39,790 Speaker 2: To do it. 818 00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:43,900 Speaker 4: And also I have zero answers because it's so overwhelming 819 00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 4: and depressing. And then add AI into the mix. Holy shit. 820 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 821 00:34:47,660 --> 00:34:48,420 Speaker 2: Oh my God. Yeah. 822 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:48,900 Speaker 1: AI. 823 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,069 Speaker 2: I've thought, so we were probably, I remember I got 824 00:34:54,110 --> 00:34:58,430 Speaker 2: my Facebook account when I was eight. Didn't really use it. 825 00:34:58,469 --> 00:34:58,930 Speaker 4: What? 826 00:34:59,190 --> 00:35:01,069 Speaker 2: My older sister set me up a Facebook account when 827 00:35:01,090 --> 00:35:02,270 Speaker 2: I was about eight and she had to say I 828 00:35:02,290 --> 00:35:02,859 Speaker 2: was of age. 829 00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:04,290 Speaker 1: What's her age? 830 00:35:04,290 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 2: 16? I think it's like there was a certain age 831 00:35:06,380 --> 00:35:07,859 Speaker 2: you had to be to make the account. I can't 832 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,100 Speaker 2: actually remember what it was anyway. She just like backdated it. 833 00:35:10,340 --> 00:35:15,219 Speaker 2: But we also like Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, all that, that 834 00:35:15,260 --> 00:35:17,420 Speaker 2: came out when we were in our early to mid-teens. 835 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:18,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 836 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,500 Speaker 2: And so we, so I would say- We're. 837 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: On the cusp. 838 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,649 Speaker 2: Like we are probably one of the first generations whose 839 00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:29,390 Speaker 2: parents had to deal with like the full flood of 840 00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:33,670 Speaker 2: the social media. Yeah. I've always thought, what are we 841 00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:35,820 Speaker 2: going to have to deal with because of the way that, 842 00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:38,509 Speaker 2: that whole thing of people, of everything, you know, advancing 843 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:39,890 Speaker 2: so quick. And the thing we're going to have to 844 00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:40,700 Speaker 2: deal with is AI. 845 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,340 Speaker 1: It's kind of scary, isn't it? 846 00:35:42,460 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 3: I've never really like thought about the different type of 847 00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 3: parenting we'll have to go through because of the stuff 848 00:35:46,860 --> 00:35:47,180 Speaker 3: we don't. 849 00:35:47,140 --> 00:35:47,940 Speaker 1: Even know exists yet. 850 00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: Cause like I, I admittedly judge people that'll just chuck 851 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 2: an iPad in front of their kid's face at a 852 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,540 Speaker 2: restaurant just to like keep them quiet. I'm like, Oh, 853 00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:56,860 Speaker 2: come on, like put a bit of effort into them, 854 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 2: you know, teach them to be respectful and quiet at 855 00:35:58,660 --> 00:36:00,830 Speaker 2: a restaurant when you guys are out and about. But, Like, 856 00:36:00,890 --> 00:36:02,069 Speaker 2: what are we going to be doing to get our 857 00:36:02,090 --> 00:36:02,270 Speaker 2: kids back? 858 00:36:02,290 --> 00:36:04,450 Speaker 1: We haven't been there, though. I think that, too. 859 00:36:04,469 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 3: But then also, like, going through that, I can't comprehend 860 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 3: what you need to do. 861 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:14,299 Speaker 4: Yeah. It's full on. It's terrifying. Like, I can look 862 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 4: at all this as well through the lens of a 863 00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:21,629 Speaker 4: gay man. The standards for gay men on social media and, 864 00:36:21,690 --> 00:36:23,609 Speaker 4: you know, and then on apps and Grindr and just 865 00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:27,140 Speaker 4: in the community are... are so high and it's so judgmental. 866 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 2: Is it? 867 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,580 Speaker 4: I can't imagine being, yeah. Oh my God. 868 00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 869 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,860 Speaker 4: So I can't imagine being a young queer, um, I 870 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,049 Speaker 4: can only speak for the guys, but young queer boy 871 00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:38,649 Speaker 4: having to see, um, you know, all, all this stuff 872 00:36:38,690 --> 00:36:40,150 Speaker 4: on social media. I need to look like that. And 873 00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:41,430 Speaker 4: why am I getting to the gym this amount? And 874 00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:44,510 Speaker 4: why don't I have these pecs and these abs? And yeah, it's, 875 00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:47,730 Speaker 4: it's full on. And to all the parents, they say, 876 00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:49,700 Speaker 4: good luck. Yes. 877 00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 2: Oh my God. 878 00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 4: Good luck. 879 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: It honestly is so overwhelming. 880 00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:56,410 Speaker 2: Oh, That's crazy. But Joel, thank you so much for 881 00:36:56,430 --> 00:36:56,989 Speaker 2: coming on the show. 882 00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,509 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much for having me. I hope 883 00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:04,270 Speaker 4: I imparted some wisdom if what not to do, if 884 00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:04,690 Speaker 4: anything else. 885 00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: No, no, no. We loved our chat. And also enjoy 886 00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:09,540 Speaker 1: those Krispy Kremes you sent me for the rest of 887 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:09,710 Speaker 1: the day. 888 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,580 Speaker 4: I was about to say, thank you so much. I've 889 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 4: smashed two. I've got an original glaze and a chocolate-covered one. 890 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,220 Speaker 4: And I'm eyeing off, what's the one with the powder 891 00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:18,450 Speaker 4: on top? Is that like a jam? 892 00:37:19,420 --> 00:37:22,219 Speaker 1: I think we sent you a variety pack. Yeah, I 893 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:22,819 Speaker 1: think it was a jam. 894 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:23,980 Speaker 2: You did. Yeah. 895 00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 4: Okay. Well, that's dinner sorted. 896 00:37:26,430 --> 00:37:30,310 Speaker 2: Make sure you share them. Oh, okay. Yeah, I will. Sure. 897 00:37:30,370 --> 00:37:31,210 Speaker 4: My fingers are crossed. 898 00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:32,270 Speaker 2: All right. 899 00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:32,950 Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Joel. 900 00:37:32,969 --> 00:37:33,370 Speaker 2: Thank you. 901 00:37:33,610 --> 00:37:34,550 Speaker 4: Thanks, legends.