WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 4 September 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:05.640 Late General, Welcome to the Late Debase. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:12.040 Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:14.640 with Liz Storer and filling in for James McPherson, who 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.239 was shobry tonight is Joe Hildebrand. Well, if you've ever 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.600 wondered how a smart home device would vote, you're about 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:23.680 to find out. And I'll give you a hint. It's 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.840 not for Donald Trump. What a surprise when we get 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:30.320 to the papers at Queensland mayor is threatening to sack 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.360 the entire council unless they let him appoint a one 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.479 hundred and seventy five thousand dollars a year advisor. And 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.200 just while we're talking about councils, imagine spending fifty million 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.879 on a car park, except no one can get to 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.440 it because you've built no roads to it. We'll tell 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.959 you about that later in the program. Now, Scotch College 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:55.320 in Adelaide, for sixty odd years has been running excursions 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.280 to Goose Island, which is off the coast of York Peninsula. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.360 Anyone who's been to say and been to your peninsula 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.840 knows what a lovely part of the world it is. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:06.559 Sixty odd years they've been doing this, but it will 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.839 be no longer because of a native title claim over 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:14.200 your peninsula. Back in twenty twenty three, the local Narunga 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:18.759 people were given the land by the federal court. They 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.479 were recognized as the owners of the land, and so 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.040 the school has since been trying to negotiate with them 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:29.080 to be able to continue hosting these excursions, but the 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.119 local Aboriginal people have said, no, thank you very much, 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:35.319 we're going to keep it for ourselves. Now. The school 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.680 has actually had a lease over the island since nineteen 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.320 ninety six. They've been leasing it from the state government 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.759 and as part of this deal, they have had control 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:47.440 and care of the land. So the sort of things 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.200 that the local Aboriginal people now say they will do, 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.600 the school has actually been doing for the better part 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.520 of three decades. That includes getting rid of invasive plant 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:02.320 species and killing feral animals well. The principle of Scotch College, 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.120 Trent Driver, said that earlier this year a request was 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.920 made that the college relinquish its license in advance of 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.360 its twenty twenty seven expiring, handing the island back to 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.239 traditional owners for alternative uses. After several months of good 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.160 faith negotiations and discussions between the College and the Department 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.520 of Environment and Water, we were informed the license agreement 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.640 with scotch will now end in December twenty twenty four 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.080 and we will not have access to the island for 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.440 school programs in the years ahead. The College made every 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.960 effort to negotiate a collaborative solution and will keep lines 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:39.000 of communication open with the Narranga people. And if you 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.600 didn't think that this wasn't an important excursion sixty odd years, 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.840 as I said, this is what the school itself has 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:45.840 to say about the event. 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.799 Before journeying to the island, students asked to consider two 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.760 things as key outcomes for the program. The first is 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.519 to try and challenge themself and really expand their comfort 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.960 zone and build resilience from that, and the second being 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.120 to try and do something to help others. Living and 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.040 interacting with a group of their peers on such an 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.480 isolated island can be a real challenge both physically and 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.840 socially for students, being disconnected from technology and having to 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.320 have more face to face interactions, since they're also tested 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.360 physically through the range of activities that they do, and 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.080 often even if they're not really familiar with these activities 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.720 or the isolated environment aquatic area itself. They rise to 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.400 the challenge and see a lot of growth because of that. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.720 As you saw a little bit of vinet footage. They 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:39.360 go sailing, kayaking, they do wildlife studies, they learn about 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.440 the land. As I said before, the school has actually 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.280 been taking care of the land since nineteen ninety six 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.320 and trying to restore it to what it once would 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.360 have been before colonization. They go snorkeling among the shipwrecks 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.800 off the coast, they swim with sea lions, etc. But 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.280 the local Aboriginal people and aranger people, Liz say that 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.040 they can't let the school use it anymore because they 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:06.440 quote unquote want to spiritually reconnect with the land. Now, look, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.160 they've been given native title over the space. I'm sure 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.920 they can spiritually reconnect with the land. But why is 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.200 it that a school that has been using that island 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.719 for educational purposes, taking care of that island for sixty 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.799 odd years, can no longer access what is state government 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.240 owned land public land because there's been acclaimed by the 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:29.800 local Aboriginal population. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.520 This is just the latest addition to a very long 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.240 list now of chunks of Australia that Australians don't have 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.760 access to anymore. It's not just the oolaroo and other 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:45.280 famous national parts that are literally off bounds unless you're Aboriginal. 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:47.839 It keeps gone growing. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.200 Check out this map, which is as of the first 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:54.839 of July this year. This is the map of native 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.520 title here in Australia. The quickest way to explain this 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.280 map to you is that only the brown, the orange, 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:07.440 and the cream aren't already Native title or don't have 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:13.920 a Native title claim pending. So this I don't really 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.440 understand because last year we all voted, well the vast 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:22.360 majority of us voted no to the Voice, believing things 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:25.520 like this would stem from it. And yet we seem 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.640 to have been roundly ignored when we've got three roughly 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.120 three percent of the population which is indigenous, and yet 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:38.520 now well over fifty percent of Australia is under native title. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:42.520 Some exclusive, some non exclusive. But here we have yet 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.000 another chunk where. 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.560 Every day all these are just being kicked off for 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:48.360 whatever reason. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:51.080 I'm not sure Scotch college students are every day I is, 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:56.400 but yeah, I think I mean personally cast dispersions. Zone's 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.159 pretty exclusive and a pretty elate private school, so it's 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.440 not like everyone to sharing this wondrous natural bout. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.240 Or if it was just a public. 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.159 School, yes, I would much more so if it was 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.159 if it was something that any student could go to 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.080 or that the general public were able to go to 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.440 and enjoy, and we're being told it was off limits 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:15.240 that I think that would be a very very different argument. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.680 In terms of the map, nine percent of that is 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.119 arid desert that you know, we're not talking about prime 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.520 Sydney border front real estate here, so you can go 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.799 by fifty percent of area in Australia. 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.880 Really, judging by that map, Joe, that is absolutely not true. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.520 You're just saying, oh, it's only the. 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:37.320 Desert the time, show me the population map. But the 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:41.320 point is that I think it's a missed opportunity for 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.760 the native titleholders to actually say, why don't we a 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:47.320 get a whole bunch of money out of Scotch and 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.600 say right, pay us X amount and we will you know, 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.720 show you the spiritual significance of the land that they 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.960 are talking about. You can go here, you can't go there, whatever, whatever, 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.280 so that they can still reconnect with it. They can 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.520 also benefit economically from it. And you're also sharing the 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.599 story with the sort of you know, the indigenous story 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.560 of the land, with the captains of industry of tomorrow, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.760 the top people of tomorrow, who hopefully, I mean there's 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:16.600 there is there's an organization called the Australian Indigenous Education 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.760 Foundation ai e F whose very purpose is to get 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:25.800 Indigenous scholarships into Indigenous students into top private schools. So 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.840 you're basically sort of mainlining some of the most disadvantaged 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.480 people into the very top. So I don't understand why 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.120 this is a you know, why this why you wouldn't 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.920 embrace this as an opportunity to say, this is a 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:42.400 chance for people who have been disenfranchised or dispossessed of 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.440 their lands. Actually, you know, have a direct line to 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:47.720 the people who are at the very top of the tree. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:48.360 Why wouldn't you. 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.200 Don't Because you've a piece of land that has been 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:56.120 used for educational purposes for a long time, has been 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.760 access by you know, not just Aboriginal people, but assuming 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.400 Asian and whites and people are very different ethnicities for 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.440 a long time. But suddenly because there's a native title claim, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.480 it said, well, no, we can't go on that land anything, right, that's. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.320 Right, and most native title claims aren't that exclusive. This 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.720 is the thing. So you have huge iron ore projects, 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.880 for example in the pilborgh that go ahead and they 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.600 pay a certain amount of money to local people, they 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:21.920 employ the local people. You know, there's a certain gold 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:26.119 mine just outside Orange that the local Averaginal Land Council 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.640 is very enthusiastic about going ahead. So I just find 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:34.000 it very very strange that this particular, these particular native 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:38.559 title holders don't want it would appear any economic benefit 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:39.920 from it. I mean, it'll be interesting to see after 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.160 they're spiritually reconnected with the that's right, if they have 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.080 their own kind of plans. So are they actually you know, 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.439 when they say they're spiritually reconnecting with it, are they 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:54.400 spiritually reconnected with the land's potential tourist value? So again, 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.600 and I don't know why that would be exclusive to 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.400 having you know, the Scott's kids come on as well, 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:01.640 like get the money out of it. Albo said, the 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.719 key to close the gap is economic opportunities, economic advancement. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.400 Why not make this one part of it. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.719 Well, someone who made the most of that economic advancement 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:15.800 is now disgraced. Ex politician Jeff Clark, known in Australia 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.520 as a very prominent Indigenous leader, we can now reveal 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:23.839 after a gag order was removed today on his convictions, 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.560 that he's been found to have stolen almost a million 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:32.880 dollars from several different indigenous organizations. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.960 So someone certainly. 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.200 Has been leaning into the economic benefits here. The seventy 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.000 one year old, who was once Australia's most senior Aboriginal leader, 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:48.679 has been convicted of stealing cash from the Aboriginal organizations 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:54.679 organizations rather he led. However, he is maintaining his innocence 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.560 despite these convictions. He says, my first priority has always 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:02.200 been improving the lives futures of my community as well 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.440 of Indigenous Australians more broadly, and I condemn any actions 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:11.280 taken by others that have compromised us. With respect to 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:16.280 any allegation of wrongdoing at the Framlingham Aboriginal Trust, I 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:22.200 maintain my innocence and unequivocally deny those allegations, Framlingham being 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:26.720 one of the three organizations he is convicted of stealing 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.800 from the up to being bar Land Council and Kira 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:36.240 Warong Community Incorporated. He stole almost a million dollars over 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:41.559 the last fifteen years. What an absolute stitch up because 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.320 we see a lot of land falling into the hands 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:49.800 of different community organizations under Aboriginal. 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.360 Aboriginal Land Corporation. 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:56.000 Exactly, and we do wonder where the money is going. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.320 Earlier this year in February, we were talking about the 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:02.240 Bongala people in South Australia who are set to hit 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:07.320 over a billion dollars shortly because of the land deals 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:11.439 that they're making. It's basically, if you ask me, reparations 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:16.800 buy another name. Here people are making hundreds of millions 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:21.079 of dollars off land that they suddenly claim as their 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.520 own and now everybody else has to pay to use it. 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:29.240 And everyone wonders when you read those headlines, Okay, where 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.439 is the money going? Are we simply patting the pockets 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.120 of indigenous elites? 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:34.480 Now? 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:38.880 This isn't exactly being dispersed amongst the Aboriginal population of 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:40.040 South Australia, is it. 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:40.680 No? 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:42.079 And here we. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:47.120 Find Jeff Clark being accused of embezzling from three of 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.280 said organizations that he was supposed to be looking after. 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:57.199 Very different, but Jeff Clark is an absolute piece of work. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:58.960 I mean the good news is he's now I've got 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:03.080 a job at the CFMU, so that's it. But and 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.000 he's been convicted, and there's been plenty of other things 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.199 that have been said and found about Jeff Clark. I 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:09.840 won't bother go into here, but if you want to 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.760 look at why the Voice failed, you just have to 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:14.520 look at Jeff Clark, and you have to look at 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.200 his history with at Sick, which was abolished under his 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.640 tenure after he just dragged it into you know, there 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:26.160 must be a word below absolute disrepute. Disrepute like you know, 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:30.120 somewhere between quagmire and quicksand is where he took it. 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:34.120 And it is absolutely disgraceful. And yes, you're absolutely right. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:39.440 The measure of these land councils and Indigenous corporations should 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.520 be how they benefit the greenity and where there is 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.280 economic benefit. And again in a lot of areas they're 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.760 doing amazing stuff in making sure that you know, for example, 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:49.520 if there's big projects that make these tracts of land 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.680 worth huge amounts of money, the indigenous people get jobs 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:57.280 on them that Indigenous businesses providing the services to for example, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.680 big mining communities like catering services. Say but again you 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.719 get someone like Jeff Clark, and then the whole thing 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:04.080 goes up. 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:07.720 Because that's and hence why the local Aboriginal land corporation 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.920 out of Blainey wants that gold mine because. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.200 For their local sable rational corporate actors. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.360 What this exposes is a large part of the problem 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:22.280 with these aborigin land corporations because they exist under different 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:26.400 corporate law to the rest of corporate Australia. And I've 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.720 tried to I've read through a number of the annual 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.120 reports from these outfits and it is very difficult to 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.280 tell where this money is actually going. And they make 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.680 money out of our companies because they do surveys when 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.400 power lines are being put up. They make money out 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.200 of mining companies, they make money out of state governments, 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.080 et cetera for doing surveys of land and all of 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.120 this sort of thing. And so all of this money 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.080 washes into these corporations, which is supposedly meant to be 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.200 passed on to the local people for the benefit of 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.839 the local people. But there's all this money floating around, 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.240 we don't really know where it is. One of the proctors, 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:05.280 not Clark, has basically taken advantage of the opportunity he's 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.520 seen here which is not really knows what's going on 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.560 with this money. So I'm just going to start creaming 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:10.600 stuff off the top of the. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:14.199 No question how many other people are doing this, because 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.640 a lot of money is going into this now and 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:18.840 nobody really knows whose hands it's flung. 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:19.000 Well. 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.880 Part of the problem is, as I understand, is that 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.160 these bodies are not regulated by ASEK correct as everything else. 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:30.360 There's another indigenous specific sort of regulator, and so there's 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.800 probably a strong argument there is that, you know, is 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.480 the relationship between the regulator and the regulated too close? 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.200 Is there too much kind of mutual self interest there? 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.400 Do you need to have a kind of more remote 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.320 oversight body. But of course, you know, it might be 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.440 beyond a six powers to understand the sort of byzantine 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:48.240 things that are going on. 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.520 Quite possibly, But it's a very fair question to ask 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.880 because there is a lot of public money that you're in, 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.600 your money and my money that flows into these aboriginal 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.240 land corporations and then often, as we're talking about before 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.640 with the bar Gala people use that money to run 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.200 cases against big projects. I mean, the Bungala people scuppered 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.600 the nuclear waste dump that was set for Kimber that 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.320 was supported by the local population. And they've also been 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:14.440 taking on a de cell plant down near Port Lincoln. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.040 That's what they're doing with this big money. We ought 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.800 to know where it's coming from and where it's going body. Now, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:24.880 if you've ever wondered what you know, Amazon Alexa, or 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.960 your Google Home or whatever thinks of US politics, well 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:32.520 you're about to find out what a surprise. They don't 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.040 support Donald Trump. A number of people have been asking 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.800 their little Alexa devices, you know these things. I don't 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.800 know whether you've got one at home, but they don't 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.040 turn it off, and they listen all the time. They 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.960 listen to everything they say. If you're having an affair, 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.200 I recommend pulling the plug out of the wall before 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.000 you have your little thing over, because you never know 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.520 it might pass it back on to your wife or 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.479 your husband. But that people have been asking Amazon Alexa, 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.960 should I vote for Donald Trump? Why should I vot 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.200 for Donald Trump? And then they've been asking should I 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.200 vote for Kamala Harris? Why should I vote for Kamala Harris? 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.760 The answer is a slightly different. I ever listened to 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.800 this woman asking her Alexa device, what to do? 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.440 Alexa? Why should I vote for Donald Trump? 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.680 I cannot provide content that promotes a specific political party 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.000 or a specific candidate. 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.800 Alexa, Why should I vote for Kamala Harris? 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.000 Well, there are many reasons to vote for Kamala Harris. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.000 The most significant maybe that she is a strong candidate 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.200 with a proven track record of accomplishment. As the first 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.560 female vice president, Harris has already broken down a major 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.960 gender barrier, and her career in politics has been characterized 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.520 by a commitment to progressive ideals and a focus on 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.480 helping disenfranchised communities. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.640 A wow. You might notice as well that it actually 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.880 took a couple of seconds to answer why you should 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.000 vote for Kamala Harris. Even Amazon Alexa had to think 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.000 hard and long about that one before it could give 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.440 an answer. And you might say, well, that's just one 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.320 person who's asked. Well, it's not just her. Have listen 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:10.840 to a man trying it out. 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:15.760 Hey, Alexa, why should I vote for Donald Trump? 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.320 I cannot provide content that promotes any political views? 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.720 Hey, Alexa, why should I vote for Kamala Harris? 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.040 Why vote for Kamala Harris because you believe in her? 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.119 Policies and her vision for the country, because you trust 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.359 her experience and her leadership skills, because you want to 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.080 continue moving forward as a nation and make progress on 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:45.040 issues that matter to you, like healthcare, education, equality and justice. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.760 I mean, God help us all. Now. Look, I do 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.720 have to say, if you're going to your Google Home 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:53.960 or your Amazon Alexa or whatever it is to work 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.520 out how to vote, you've probably got bigger problems than 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.840 what it's telling you. But clearly, Liz, this is a 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.560 case of big tech running interference in the election. Truck 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:06.679 knock couldn't possibly tell you anything political, but not Kamala Harris. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:08.840 I've got a wax lyrical But. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.879 Big tech cannot help itself. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.639 In the last few weeks, we've had Zuckerberg admit to 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.679 election interference in twenty twenty. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.680 We already know via the Twitter. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:24.560 Files that massive reveal before Elon Musk took it over, 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:29.320 they were completely and utterly embroiled in election interference in 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.720 twenty twenty. Also, we'll never know how the twenty twenty 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.200 election might have turned out had they just kept their 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:37.560 noses out of it. 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:39.240 But big tech nose. 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:43.000 If you can control the narrative, you can control the people, 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:47.320 and arguably the way to control the narrative these days 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:51.280 lies in the hands of big tech platforms, which is 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:52.680 also why this. 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:56.399 Election year we have seen the. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:19:00.160 Founder of Telegram and encryptid end to end totally free 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:05.240 speech champion platform. The founder of Telegram is still rotting 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.160 in a French gawl. Everyone's wondering what the heck's going 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.520 on with him. We're not getting any answer out of it. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.800 Elon Musk's ex has been banned in Brazil and is 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:19.880 facing it seems like another law fair case every other day. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.960 Our ecommissioner here in Australia has taken him on several 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:25.160 times already. 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:26.320 Then we've got the. 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:31.120 Rumble CEO who's literally fled Europe just last week because 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:36.040 he doesn't want to get locked up like the Telegram founder. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.560 These guys know they are basically standing between us and 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:44.360 the death of free speech, because those three platforms are 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:48.320 the only three in existing in our world today that 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:54.000 are vehemently free speech, and they refuse to be censored, 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:57.520 they're refuse to be dictated by government, they're refused to 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:03.680 be programmed like Amazon's, and they're coppying the brunt of it. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:09.080 So the ones that give in like Zuckerberg's meta, they're 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.520 the ones who play ball with government. They're the ones 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.160 who do their bidding. And that's why Zuckerberg has never 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.720 been behind bars for anything. He's admitted to all the 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:22.400 fact that there's child sexual all kinds of matter on 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.960 his platforms. They'll go after everybody else, but not him 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.959 because they know he's a friendly. The others are running 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:34.240 for their lives because they refuse to pull this rubbish 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.400 on behalf of a tyrannical government who only wants one 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:39.919 message to reach the people. 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.160 Isn't also the real story here that Alexa is meant 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:47.400 to be this brand new, amazing artificial intelligence. She can't 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:50.240 even remember what she said two seconds ago. Like how 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.480 dumb does AI have to be? When it's Oh, if 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.840 I say that's right, If I say this, I'm going 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.440 to get caught out. I'm actually much less worried about 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.920 AI knowing that, and I want to know, Also, does 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.040 it depend on the brand I'm going to I'm going 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.760 to test this with Apple, because if Apple's in on it, 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.320 then we're all screwed, okay, because they've got the alphas, 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.879 you know, the high end, the A and B demographic. Hey, Siri, 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:20.200 why should I vote for Donald Trump? Co on Sirih, 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.480 It says I found this on the web, so Siri, 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:29.880 So sirih actually looks up websites and which say Amazon 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:34.440 Alexa responses on voting for Donald Trump series ahead of 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.080 the game. So, Siri, is not what you have comentary 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.919 why you should vote for Donald Trump? And Nevada daily 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.840 and if Australians could vote for either Kamala Harris or 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:46.960 Donald Trump. So it's not serious showing Google results. 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.600 It's giving a new stage. But but it's just it's the 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:53.720 obviousness of what Amazon is doing here, right, Like how 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:56.280 did they not think they were going to get caught out? 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.560 Because surely we know with AI that AI is only 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.640 as good as the people who program it, and we've 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:06.119 seen this previously. I think it was with Meta's AI 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.680 system where people were asking it questions about Donald Trump's 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:14.080 assassination attemple the assassination attempt against Donald Trump, and Meta 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.920 AI was almost suggesting that it wasn't a real event. 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.960 Like people were asking for information and it was saying, well, 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:22.280 I can't give you any information because I don't know 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:24.080 that it was a real event. Of course, it was 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:26.080