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Speaker 1: Anything I'm doing walking straight talk mate.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, brother.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a long time, man, has been a while.

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Speaker 1: You look well, mate.

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Speaker 2: Try to stick from my dad's rules and regulations. That's

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Speaker 2: you know, take you your body, take here and mind

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Speaker 2: taking yourself looking more like him.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, I'm not joking like it's not bad because Tony

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Speaker 1: Tony is I think, like you mentioned earlier, in his

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Speaker 1: mid seventies or soon to be seventy five or whatever,

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Speaker 1: he's still has a cup of coffee on the weekends

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Speaker 1: down already, and I see him nearly every weekend because

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Speaker 1: I come down here. He looks amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's looking diesel man, he's still he hits the

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Speaker 2: bag every second third day for one hour. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't even do that.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, most we notice it hit in

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Speaker 1: the bay for one hour. That's pretty savage.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty savage.

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Speaker 1: That's fawn.

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Speaker 2: It is savage, you know what I mean. Now he's

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Speaker 2: going well, Tanzo and just sure, yeah, appreciate him what

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Speaker 2: is here as long as we've got him, you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, how many Tony had? How many kids you're

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Speaker 2: What how many I think you got three other girls

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Speaker 2: through my sister Kelly. Yeah. Yeah. And you you've got

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Speaker 2: a big family. You've got a lot of kids. How

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Speaker 2: many kids you've got to You've got a few, ye,

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Speaker 2: you got a few? Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And and there's everybody because Tony always tells me. He

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Speaker 2: Man big more like my mom's one or twelve, twelve. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: my dad's one of nine.

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Speaker 2: All the cousins, in laws, out laws, they.

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Speaker 1: They all turn up. But it's a big close it's

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Speaker 1: a pretty close family, yes, very close.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So like you grew up when you're a kid, like,

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Speaker 1: can you just go back a bit?

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Speaker 2: Did you?

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Speaker 1: Did you just go to Tony's five?

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Speaker 2: Well he I think he retired in eighty four, so

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Speaker 2: I might have went to a couple in the early eighties,

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Speaker 1: Do you remember him as a kid. You remember people

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Speaker 1: sort of saying about what a great fight here.

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Speaker 2: Old memo was like, yeah, I mean I'm used always

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Speaker 2: seen when we go out together. You take me out

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Speaker 2: and you know, be by his side. I can see

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Speaker 2: people in imadulation and appreciation of the own respect that

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Speaker 2: bit like that one day, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she literally looked up to him. It's funny, you know.

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Speaker 1: I remember he's not much older than me. And I

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Speaker 1: remember him fighting. Man, he bought some tough fights, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god. And I remember him telling me that sometimes

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Speaker 2: Well, that that that come from nothing really, if you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're if you people knew where he come from,

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Speaker 2: and the mission that he come from is called Boagle.

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Speaker 2: Bogle's out about forty five minutes inland from Grafton. Wow,

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Speaker 2: And there's only about ten turve houses there. But back

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Speaker 2: their clothes and things like that. So he come from poverty,

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Speaker 2: like you know, and to see what he's done as

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Speaker 2: fought cut the great Carlos Monzon, who was the dominant

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is. And he was and Monson was tough.

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Speaker 1: And Tony sort of had to stand up to that

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Speaker 2: He was telling me he was getting death threats when

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Speaker 2: he was in Bonser before the fight, because Monz was

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Speaker 2: The sow serious it was, and it was like he

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Speaker 1: Pretty much, not and not having the clue the expectations

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Speaker 1: rounds in fifteen fifteen like for anyone's thought like that's

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Speaker 2: My dad, so I didn't. I realized that late on

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Speaker 2: my career. But the weight drain got him because he

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Speaker 2: sixty pounds and that's you know, seventy two kilos, seventy

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Speaker 2: weight cut. That's sort of got him. He recomplayed against him,

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Speaker 2: it was he felt a lot you know, stronger, stronger

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Speaker 2: you're finding my career, well, my best I reckon my

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Speaker 2: best fighting weight was super middleweight. Yeah, seventy five, seventy

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Speaker 2: seventy six, seventy six two. Yeah, you had to get

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Speaker 2: You know, I didn't did enough to drain mentally good,

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Speaker 2: because fighters normally come up in wait to win title. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I went down in way to win titles. Yeah, three

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's you know, I remember I remember seeing

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing you on one point there he weighed

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Speaker 1: how the hell can you keep yourself in that position

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Speaker 2: It took took time, took maybe half a decade to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I.

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Speaker 2: Was a fighter, if I started and didn't play footy

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Speaker 2: super water middle middle super middle. Yeah, but it just

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about footy because like you are well

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Speaker 1: you're really well known for your footy. And at what

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Speaker 1: stage did you start playing footy? Like we just as

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Speaker 2: Four years old?

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Speaker 1: Four years old? Where where you play at South South Juniors?

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Speaker 1: I've played with Zeelandland Jets. Yep, that's that Woodlan Oval.

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Speaker 1: they were there too. It was Terry from Did he

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Speaker 1: played that way too?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And he could end up playing at Manly and

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Speaker 2: passed away. Yeah, Jimmy's around. So I went to his funeral.

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Speaker 2: down and working with manly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's probably on the wrestling and stuff like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So like you're you're a kid playing the South in

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Speaker 2: Was a bee. I mean I'm not too man and torn,

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Speaker 2: President's Cup. Yeah, probably went a great. I skipped the

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Speaker 2: President went a great. I went straight to the reserve rate.

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Speaker 2: Yea eighteen seven. But I made all the junior's representative teams,

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Speaker 2: all the States state teams, Strange school boys, strange junior kangaroos.

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Speaker 2: I was. I was highly I was highly tauted as

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Speaker 2: You would you say that, I mean you're a good footballer,

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Speaker 2: you were just naturally gifted.

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Speaker 1: As a just as an athlete.

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Speaker 2: Definitely definitely athletics. In an athletic sands, you can move,

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Speaker 2: you can you had strength, you can run, you could catch.

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Speaker 2: I was powerful pound like killer for killer. At the Dragons,

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Speaker 2: I was the strongest in the in the club, in

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Speaker 2: the bench and just for your weight ratio strength away ratio. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was strongest in the club. And my wrestling was crazy.

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Speaker 2: I used to get the big boys and stray them around,

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Speaker 1: Were you aware of it at the time. Were you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not not so much about fast twitch. I just

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Speaker 2: knew I was quick. I was quick, I was explosive,

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Speaker 2: and I was dangerous. So you put them things together

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Speaker 2: and and and then you have the mindset behind it.

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Speaker 2: You're can have all that, but you can have the

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Speaker 2: possessive to even obtained the goal. You have that behind it,

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Speaker 2: you're a bad boy. Yeah, because that's interesting as because

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Speaker 2: like lots of people win know growing up, and there

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Speaker 2: There's always been someone of the school as a freak

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Speaker 2: like athletically, but they never mounted anything because they didn't

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Speaker 2: like you would know guys who would have been got

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Speaker 2: of brother is my closest brother, probably my best friend.

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Speaker 2: Grew up together Lindsay Monroe, another Aboriginal beller or not

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Speaker 2: as well, and we would come up the yellow doing it.

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Speaker 2: I definitely did. I mean, but in saying that, they,

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Speaker 1: George. You don't ever play one club I can't remember now.

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Speaker 1: They swam around, Yeah how much.

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Speaker 2: He could kick a ball and catch it like it was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or I went the other way, he went the

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Speaker 1: That's an important point. Leader of yourself.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to be drayed around by around the

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Speaker 2: I was a very one track mind, you know what

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Speaker 1: So that that's sounded waterloo. So you and then do

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Speaker 2: That's what That's when I went. That's when I made

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Speaker 2: Then it doesn't become a I become a household name

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was under it. There's a year twelve become

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I want to play make the Australian

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Speaker 1: When you meet all these people outside of your community,

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Speaker 1: did you draw in anything that from those individuals? Well,

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Speaker 1: Were there any other people outside of saying that's kings

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Speaker 1: rope boys, kings rope? Yeah, I know the school.

439
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: There's any other people that were like a mentor for

440
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: Anthony Munney, for Chuck, A part of your dad. Obviously,

441
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: my dad was the main one. My mom, My dad

442
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: and my mom was the main ones. But no, I

443
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: was I was built differently mentally, bro like from a

444
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: young kid. I knew that I was going to be

445
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 2: the champ. I knew that I was going to be

446
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: the young food player. I knew that I was going

447
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 2: to be the man in that in that sense, you know, yeah,

448
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: I just know. It was like it was like good

449
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: was telling me, makes me envisioned before it happened, and

450
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: I know, I just I just made it happen. You're you're,

451
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: you're your managers sitting over there, and you probably upset

452
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: with me. I say, but you're you're a you're definitely

453
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: a difference sort of cat, like.

454
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, normal there, Well I'm a normal, You're normal, but

455
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: like there's you're a different cat.

456
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: But they've gotta be some so psychologist, psychologically something different,

457
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'm a bit of a

458
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: psycho in that sense.

459
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: But you accept that. I accept that, of course, but

460
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: people get nervous with that. The population who aren't like that.

461
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: Aren't like you get nervous because it's a bit confronting.

462
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't feel confronted a long time. I

463
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: know you're fairly quiet.

464
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: But I'm quite downe on earth. I'm nothing what the

465
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: media portrayed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, people people, maybe I didn't

466
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 2: know what this hell? Are you being believed you got

467
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: a mad spirit and mad soul? You know? But I said, man,

468
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: they don't believe that you. They believe they put out there,

469
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, I've been portrayed for years,

470
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: so it's been branded in people's head. You know, what's

471
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: this guy like? You know what I mean? And then

472
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: next mine, I'm totally opposite what they did.

473
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: Any stage being let's call brainded by others like that

474
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: at any stage you think I've got to try and

475
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: turn this around, like I don't like it, or you

476
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: didn't care.

477
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 2: No, I didn't care because I knew I could never

478
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: turn around, you know what I mean. I just I

479
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: just got to keep being me, you know. I mean,

480
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 2: they let them say what they want to say because

481
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: I know at the end of the day, they can

482
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: they can plan by goods. The greatest of planners, you

483
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean, but he'll let them see the

484
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: light when it's ready. Have you always been religious in

485
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: one way around? Ever since I was seventeen eight I

486
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: really I wanted to get close to good.

487
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: I wonder at seventy eighteen, Yeah, most kids are terrorizing

488
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: in the streets, drinking as much be as they possibly can.

489
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: They're not thinking about God so like, and they're probably

490
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: thinking about playing sport whatever the sport is, and chasing

491
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: girls or whatever. But still, but you were God aware

492
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: and you're an Anglican or just started off Christians.

493
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: Well, were colonized by our church was Church of England

494
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: church being so you accept you are part of the

495
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: Church of England that came to Australia so to speak.

496
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: You know, like you know, you just joined their church.

497
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: They were colonized and our people was taught that way

498
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 2: and bring in that faith, you know what I mean?

499
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 2: You know, well, my people are where I was from.

500
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: And then we you know, we didn't have a choice.

501
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: I didn't have a choice. Yeah, I wanted to learn

502
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: about I want to learn the faith. I wanted the religions.

503
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: When I started doing in about the foundational belief of

504
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: the faith. And it didn't mess up with me. I

505
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: didn't didn't understand it, didn't really connect with it, you

506
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

507
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: So you're a Muslim? Now what what what? What's the

508
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: process of how that happened to you?

509
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: Like? So was there a well what happened? I met

510
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: was my manager and still a great brother and a

511
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: great friend of mine.

512
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: Who's that Coder? We've got to get Coda in here

513
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: and make sure he doesn't wear a bag, actually have

514
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: the bag?

515
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: That's I'm back in ninety six? Was he like like

516
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: a player manager? Then later on later on in and

517
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: back on my career nine he become my manager? Right,

518
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: But how do you meet Coder? Like through somebody else him?

519
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: But I met him out? I met him out? Good?

520
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 2: Is that? Goodbye? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, good bye? And I

521
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: was a young kid, brash twenty year old and you

522
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: know what happened? Yeah it was. He even drink drink

523
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: following he was because yeah, with another brother, Ferdie, and

524
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: was having a yarn and I was telling him all

525
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 2: this ship like what I want to do? This just

526
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: skite about myself. It's crazy now And then we swapped

527
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: numbers and then we stayed in contact and we started

528
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: to hang out a bit, and then he you know,

529
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: he taught me that he was the one that taught

530
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: me the fundamental and foundational beliefs of his farm and

531
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: started to I started to look into it, and then

532
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: I started to the more I read, the more I

533
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: had all the answers that I was looking for, you

534
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And then but I was a

535
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: bit like if hecuse I'm a black father and be

536
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: going against my people? Yeah, yeah, I know. But but

537
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: then I went back home to my to my my

538
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: dad's mob, from my old old uncles, and and our

539
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 2: tribal beliefs as tribal men and travel culture and law

540
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: was the belief in the one God. It pretty much

541
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: and the and the tribal law is identical to Islam.

542
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: Oh really yeah, so identical. That's what got me over

543
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: the line. I was like, yeah, this is one, No,

544
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: this is my this is what I want to choose

545
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: to be. I've done that in ninety eight, I think so.

546
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: Because that was pretty like radical, let's call it back then,

547
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,239
Speaker 1: but not not not a big deal these days. I mean,

548
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: lots of people don't sunny bills under there's a few

549
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: guys in footage today especially, But back then in ninety eight.

550
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: That's a big that's a big call. It's a big step.

551
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: What would you have to go and tell mom and

552
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: dad that?

553
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: Like? Well, I told him, yeah, I told him they

554
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: weren't happy. No, well, I told my dad. I wrong,

555
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: my dad and he was here.

556
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: And by right, yeah, he goes over his head with.

557
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: His all the Italian mates and they're all Christians. What

558
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying, so he so I told him, And then

559
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: he must have been they must have been yearning to

560
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: him about it. And then he come home. He said,

561
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: he wrung me and said come over, I want to

562
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: see you. So I went to his house and you

563
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: know what to expect, and I went in there. Dad

564
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: was something I get my hug and you know obviously

565
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: what they portray on the media and the TV, and

566
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: you know West terrorism and evil and this and that.

567
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: He started doing at me, you know what I mean?

568
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: And I said, Dad, you know, I was trying to

569
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: calm him down and we need to go into a

570
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: physical competition. And he's hitting his banging his head, saying

571
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: hit me, hit me, hit me. And I said, I'm

572
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: not You're father, I'm not Usa. I love you. I

573
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: want to go Dad, you know what I mean. And

574
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: so I left and he calmed down and we had

575
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: a bit bit more talk later on, and you know,

576
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: he respected my decision and that was it.

577
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Mums all right.

578
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: My mum was didn't understand that much, but she she

579
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: knew she was. She wasn't a big believing in fiend either,

580
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: but she believed there was a Gordon, you know. Yeah,

581
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: she was pretty cool.

582
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: Do you practice the Muslim faith late daily or out

583
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: wherever it is that you do it.

584
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: I never missed a prayering about but they miss about

585
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: seven prayers maybe a decade. Well, I'm the leaf well

586
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: the grace of God, and may I don't miss anymore.

587
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you you face maker and all that sort

588
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: of stuff.

589
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: Face face Meka. You know, that's just that's just the

590
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: reason why the Muslim face Mecca because of the unity

591
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: for everyone to face the same direction and the energy

592
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: as you know, connecting the Oma with the Oma, the

593
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: the people as one to the Creator. But we don't

594
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: we don't worship the Kba, we don't worship the praying

595
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: in a certain direction. It's just the unity for the

596
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: direction of the Muslims to prey and all the energy

597
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: be in that middle of the the.

598
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: Planet. Have you ever thought about doing a pilgrimage to Mecca.

599
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: I've done.

600
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: If don't where they were they.

601
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: I done hug in two Way six before then a

602
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: green flight. That's why people.

603
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: The last fight for the first first one first.

604
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in two way five and the two way

605
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: five going into into two Way.

606
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: Six, he went for pilgrimage.

607
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: And I asked the God got to do the Blackstone,

608
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: because you know, when you get to the Blackstone, I lost.

609
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: I told you that any do anything you asked for

610
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: will be answered. And I asked Allah. In that black zone,

611
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: I was like I was in there for about five

612
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: ten seconds, but I felt like a minute because I

613
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 2: was just embraced in it. I asked Allah, Allah, let

614
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: me whip this boy. Please give me the strength and

615
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: the power and the skill to whip him like like

616
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: he's never like he's my baby, you know. And that's

617
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: what Then as I come back home and I and

618
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: after I've done that, I knew he had no chance.

619
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: It's funny because there was a lot of not today,

620
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of animosity between you and Danny

621
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: back in those days. And then you fought him again.

622
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: I can't remember this. Yeah, and and Daniel hate me

623
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: for saying this, But I thought you're pretty kind to

624
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: him because you he got a bit wobbly. Well, we

625
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: got to be honest, he was a bit weak. It

626
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: was wobbly because I cracked him with the left hook

627
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: and he didn't really know it was but you didn't

628
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: but but the breath didn't say, didn't say break, didn't see.

629
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: But I thought you're pretty kind to him. You just

630
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: you could have gone.

631
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: Could have could have pressed them, pressed the metal a bit.

632
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: I probably could have stopped him, bro to How did

633
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: you want to take chances either? Because he was a

634
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: big punchers, strong and strong boy.

635
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: And he's a lot bigger than you.

636
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: He's bigger than me, bigger frame.

637
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: Well he's a natural cruiser, like probably the cruise away.

638
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: But you know, for what he's done and what he's

639
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: done in the sport, mate, I'll take my head off

640
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 2: to him like he's he's he's the He's a example

641
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 2: of what someone would limited gift or skill that can

642
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: that can make something of himself to be a champion

643
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: just through effort, through not through hard work and belief.

644
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: And like I knew, it was never better than me

645
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: as a fighter, and it was my feet, with my

646
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: my everything that I possessed as far as hands, speed, movement,

647
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 2: movement and all that. I knew it wasn't better than me.

648
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: I knew his inferior to me in that sense, but

649
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: he always had that chance of catching me.

650
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: He's got plenty of mongol and mongol and he had

651
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: that power. He's strong, strong, and.

652
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: Was an olive ball man.

653
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to You can't. You can't stand in

654
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: front of him.

655
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: You can't stand front. Yeah. I had to give mangles. Yeah,

656
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: the first one I knew because then there was so

657
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 2: much running in a fight, because I knew he was

658
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: going to come to take my head off. Yeah, you

659
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But I trained my body and

660
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: trade my mind, and I trained. I've got my preparation.

661
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: I was. I was sparring cruiser weights leading up to

662
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: the fight. Be you guys that can bang on me.

663
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: And because he's pretty tall too, he's tall, taller than

664
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: you think. Yeah, yeah, we got because he dropped weight

665
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: to meet you at That's what they say.

666
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: But he fought his whole career at that weight until

667
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: I beat him, right, you know what I mean? Yeah,

668
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: then he but then he went up. But he fought

669
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: his whole career that way. He was world champion at

670
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 2: that weight, right and and and and because he because

671
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: he's a b lump. Yeah, but he had no excuse,

672
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, And I think he

673
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: probably copped it too. He would say, yeah, yeah at

674
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: the time back in the day, bro like I hated him, Man,

675
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: he hated me too.

676
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was there was.

677
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: There was, there was, but it was also eastward west

678
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: bit of that time with the with the east Side

679
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: West Side ship and you know it.

680
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: Was immedia dream.

681
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: Media dream Yeah. But he's like he was being the

682
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: whole race war into it with the backfighter and you know,

683
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: the the Great White Hope sort of thing. That's what

684
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: made us so explode. And they talk about fight speeding.

685
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: No one fights to beat that, bro Be.

686
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: There was a great fight.

687
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: Now I'm talking about the revenue.

688
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: Really like pay view and stuff like that.

689
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: You know, no one's going to beat that. They talk

690
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: about He's going to be me be the manding Green

691
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: and no one's going to be beaten.

692
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: That the first word, hell I do. The second fight

693
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: was pretty specially the.

694
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: Sacond one was big in Adelaide, too, was a massive

695
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: fight to I can't remember because that's the second biggest third.

696
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: I was in one of my sons get married, so

697
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: I was in fig and then I was filthy, but

698
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: I managed to watch. I can't remember how I watched it,

699
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: but I was watching on pay for you or TV

700
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 1: or something I know how good. But I watched it

701
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: like and I remember. You know, it wasn't great for

702
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: Danny especially, But.

703
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: Listen, me and a man be honest toil. Danny lost, tell.

704
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 3: Him brother, he texted me if he texted me, is

705
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: it much ages between you and Jenny?

706
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: He's I think he's two three years older than me.

707
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not much in that.

708
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: Not not much in not much in two three years old.

709
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: But but your friends today though, were friends that man.

710
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: I respect him, like I said, what he's done for

711
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: the sport, what he's what he's done with, what he

712
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: was gifted with. I think, like I said, it just

713
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: shows shows and proves the hard work, dedication, discipline and

714
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: belief what it can get you with limited tools.

715
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, it's it's interesting for any young people.

716
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: Listen to this, what you're saying. If you're a kid

717
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: who's got gifts, talents, be schoolwork talents, whatever, sporting talents,

718
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: I don't care what it was. It might be good

719
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: woodwork or good whatever. You're going to go nowhere unless

720
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: you can. You become obsessed with using those tools to

721
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: get a great outcome like you. But equally, if you

722
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: don't have the tools, but you've got the mindset to

723
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: do something really great, you can still do it.

724
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: Yes, well he's living proof. Yeah, Danny Green, you have but.

725
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: Made you know people as well as I do who

726
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: had all the tools he did nothing about it, and

727
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: they ended up nowhere exactly.

728
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: And then they could have would have should have been

729
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: but didn't but didn't exactly.

730
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: So it's really about your mindset, both you and Danny

731
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: come from, and your choices. Your choice is really important.

732
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: Like you know, a lot of people decide to get

733
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: on the piss exactly and you can't.

734
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: This discipline, discipline overrides everything. So this discipline outdo motivation

735
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: does everything, out does everything. Because with discipline, it's like

736
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson said, doing something you hate to do by

737
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: doing it like you love it.

738
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about most people don't know this

739
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: but how this works. But it's much more intense as

740
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: a fighter than it is, say as a rugby league player.

741
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: Of course you're there by yourself. Yeah, and you've got

742
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: a team, but they can't fight for you.

743
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: Well, you're the blake in the ring. Now at the

744
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: moment the bell goes, you're on your own except for

745
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: the corner at the end of the round. But you

746
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: don't you don't know what's going on there anyway, because

747
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: usually being waited a few times, no matter what they

748
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: say to you, you're just trying to get a breeth

749
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: up and get back out there. I mean, maybe just

750
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: plane from anything undoing his point of view what it's

751
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: like to prep for a fight. So might ten weeks out,

752
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: But what's the discipline look like? Because you know someone,

753
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: as you get anything, I don't feel like doing.

754
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: It, because's days discipline. There's days you don't want to

755
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: you don't want to train, the days you wake up

756
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: for I don't want to train today. But because you

757
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: got the discipline.

758
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: But what drove you to do it? Like, so, what

759
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: what would you look at? Would you talk to God?

760
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: Would you what would you do?

761
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: Victory and victorious victory insist and anything that I wanted

762
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: to obtain out.

763
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: Of out of the person, what's the first important Like,

764
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: you know what you're going to make coming. What you

765
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: think is, I want to have an extra house. I

766
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,479
Speaker 1: want to buy a house and my assist or whatever.

767
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: I knew what that would come. That was never driving

768
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: factor for me. I knew that money would come as

769
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: long as exercisse came and if I was. If I was,

770
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: if I could win, and I'll win titles and I'll

771
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: win because I was interesting figure, polarizing figure, some would say,

772
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: But I drew interest from the public, you know what

773
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: I mean.

774
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: They either wanted to see you win or lose.

775
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well I wanted to follow my journey. But

776
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: I was on with me and they couldn't get off it.

777
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: I was on the train.

778
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't get off until you retired. Yeah, that's that's

779
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: very interesting because you know discipline, because you know, it's

780
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: easy for successful people to talk about I was disciplined,

781
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: but most people listening to you don't really know what

782
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: discipline means means. So I mean, maybe you just look

783
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 1: at a typical couple of days of training for a fight.

784
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: You know, you you're already not at the weight, so

785
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: you know you have to lose weight, so they forgot

786
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: to watch what you You've got to train at a

787
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: certain level, therefore, but you need a certain amount of

788
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: fuel in order to train that way. I mean, what

789
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: would you do? Would it would be the first thing?

790
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: Give me a typical day, get up, run five k's,

791
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: ten k's leg work.

792
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: What I want to do? Me? I do the my

793
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: boxing in the morning.

794
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: The boxing mets, hit the bag pad or spar bags pads,

795
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: no sparring, shadow.

796
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: Box, skip, things are in spiral. Was sparr in the

797
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: morning too. At the start of my career, I would

798
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: spa three times a week. But then as I've got

799
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: more season, more more fitter, as far as a fighter,

800
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: sort of smarter, smarter, I started doing two. I break

801
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: it up too. I used to SPA Tuesdays mornings, Friday mornings. Okay,

802
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: we'll come I want to come back to sparring in

803
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: a second, because people don't know what you mean by sparring.

804
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: They sort of know what you mean, but you know,

805
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 2: you might have four different opponents. We'll talk about four

806
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: different blokes in the spa within it in one day

807
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: and you just they just round afternoon.

808
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: We'll come back to the second. But so you spa

809
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: a couple of days a week. As you've got as

810
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: you've got more seasons, you do two lots of sparring week,

811
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: but in the beginning you're doing three sessions of sparring

812
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: a week. What about running?

813
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 2: What about legs running? I'd run three times a week Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

814
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: And how far would you run?

815
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: I'd run.

816
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: Six six to a k and on on time?

817
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: Uh No, I wasn't really average about six minute k's.

818
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't really didn't go for time. I didn't worry me.

819
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: I just want to get your legs conditions.

820
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: Just at my legs condition, get some endurance under me, recovery.

821
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: Things like them, bag work and pads to bag.

822
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 2: You do pads for how long? Strength work?

823
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: How long is your bag and pads? And Tony was

824
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: your trainer.

825
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: To have with my trainer poly pads? I used to

826
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: I used to do pad work with no break. So

827
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: I used to do fifteen minutes just strut, no rounds,

828
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: no rounds, just fit them minute straight. Then I might

829
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: do bag for ten minutes, then I might do I'll

830
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: probably do skip before that for six minutes, two rounds,

831
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: then I do shut up. I'll do all this technical

832
00:43:53,520 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: work feet work Roy Jones type type activities exercises for

833
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: about three four rounds.

834
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: And and and then you would so you do this

835
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: over a day, you would be really strict on your diet.

836
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: I was. I was hopeless of my diet. The worst

837
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: you need ship like, I eat what I want, what

838
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: I want. I mean, I was burning so much fuel

839
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: what I want.

840
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: Ye, that's true.

841
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: I try to eat. I try to be healthy. I

842
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 2: try to eat like clantines and tackle tabs and things.

843
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: But most of the time, I just eat what I want,

844
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: and I'll be I'm a big I love chocolate, and

845
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: I love fizzy drinks. I love It's just you be

846
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: not drinking boozeering so drink yeah yeah, alcohol, Yeah, that's

847
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: a big part of it.

848
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Unfortunately a lot of flight fighters drink a lot. Yeah,

849
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: after after they finished and like they might prep fight.

850
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: Then they get on the drink and which is the worst.

851
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: And they just blow up. They look like for you

852
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 2: and they swallow a freaking cow. Yeah, I'm I'm out.

853
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: Footy weight of these play what do you play at

854
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: eighty five eighty between eighty five and eighty eight?

855
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a big five eight.

856
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

857
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: Then then it was a big five eight. Then maybe

858
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: not so much. Now you get some big dude, Then

859
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: it was that was a big five eight.

860
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: Then it's not bad.

861
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's.

862
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: Exposed to you quick. I could run the one hundred

863
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: in about eleven seconds.

864
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, spoon your legs, yeah yeah, and so.

865
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: But the discipline side of the Anthony Lake working with

866
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: me way up to a fight. What about things like okay, mate,

867
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 1: go home and go to sleep, have a rest.

868
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 2: But sleep is the most sleep is the most best

869
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: way to recover. Are you gifted when it comes to sleep?

870
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 2: You one of the people can go to sleep board

871
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: You're not great at it. I'm not great them. I

872
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: need I need eight hours. But I'm one of those

873
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: dudes that it's got to get up, go to toilet,

874
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: same two three times, and that sometimes I stopp alway

875
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: to sleep. Obviously, I pray far in the morning that

876
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 2: I normally had about at twelve. I get up by four.

877
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: You got you gotta pray for.

878
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, four four thirty, pray fast prayer. Then I'll go

879
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: back to sleep. You can get back to sleep then yeah, yeah,

880
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: I mean but what what Sorry, just explain that that

881
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: four thirty, So what what is that like?

882
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: That's a call to prayer.

883
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: That's the call to prayer. That's the first prayer of

884
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: the day on the morning prayer. But it's at four

885
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: thirty fires four forty seven in the morning. For forty

886
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: seven four forty seven in the morning is faser. So

887
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: I'll probably jap about four thirty that I do we'll

888
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: do we'll do is where you clean yourself and yeah,

889
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: I'm all the passing need to clean and then I

890
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: make make fraser. I'll pray. I prayed there so the

891
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: sooner prayers as well, So I'll do two before fast

892
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: to it calls, and then I'll do vaja and then

893
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: I'll do my thicker thickers. Remember remember of like you say,

894
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: it's upon a la haba. Do you do eleven times?

895
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 2: As long as you eleven times each that's the minimum.

896
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: But you you do up to thirty three and then

897
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: I'll be about to sleep and a lot that you

898
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: can put them back to sleep.

899
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: You could probably feel quite relaxed after all that, like oh.

900
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, And that's the that's when you're when you're insdured,

901
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: when your heads to the ground, your head your thowards

902
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: to the ground. That's when you're closest to a lah

903
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: and at that and the VARs, morning's special morning because

904
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: the angels. Yeah, you have angels video every day two angels. Wow,

905
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: all right, you have the angels with that they follow

906
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 2: you every day and you got your four angels up.

907
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 2: But they do shipwork and then at Faja and USA

908
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: they they change. You know what I mean. If you

909
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: pay on time with the fires and us, the four

910
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: four of angels will write it down for you.

911
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: Well, so you get sort of double the reward. We're

912
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: really committed to this.

913
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: Under the libro, this life is nothing. This life is nothing, Mikey,

914
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: This love's nothing. You can build all your wealth, you

915
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 2: own nothing. You become a nothing. We leave it nothing.

916
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 2: You building all your wealth and all your thing and

917
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: whatever may be for everyone else to joy whoever you

918
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: want to pass that. Yeah, yeah, totally. You don't own nothing.

919
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 2: You don't even know your own kids.

920
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: I tried to explain to someone the other day. They

921
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: talked about I own my own house, and I said, well,

922
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you might own the bricks above

923
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: the ground, but no one can own the ground. The

924
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: ground is like it's part of the earth. Like, you

925
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: don't own the ground and everything below it. You just

926
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: own what you build on top of it. And the

927
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: only thing is valuable is the ground. What do you

928
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: build on topic get pulled down anytime. So there, And

929
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: I was just trying to explain to his individual that

930
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: ownership is a fictional thing. It's it's something created by

931
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: lawyers and parliamentarians and stuff that like, I own this,

932
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: there's the land is the land, and to some extent,

933
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: the land owns us. Yeah, of course it controlled Like

934
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: without the land would be nothing, we wouldn't exist. So

935
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: the planet and owns us.

936
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: But who created Who created the Who created the planet?

937
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: Who created the land? Who created trees? Who created the air?

938
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: Who created the stars? Who created the mo moon? Who

939
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: created the sun? We'll kind of back to that.

940
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and your religion. What would you say if

941
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: I gave you this phone?

942
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? Fine, Yeah, that just popped up out of the air.

943
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: No one created it, would you believe me?

944
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: Nah?

945
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying that you know there's a designer

946
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 2: behind that, right.

947
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

948
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: So what I'm trying to say is everything we see

949
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 2: in the universe, how well, I'll talk about astronomy. How

950
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: if we were twenty meters away from the sun or

951
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: too cold, would freeze out. One hundred minutes too close,

952
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: we would boil up. We'll boil up everything. We're running

953
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: on an access that's perfect, you know what I mean?

954
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty three degrees perfect exactly.

955
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 2: So if you, if you logically speaking, if you don't

956
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: think there's a there's a designer and the creator behind that,

957
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: behind the design, then I don't know what to say

958
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: to you. Man. It's funny, as you say, because because

959
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm a la I love science. And but it's interesting,

960
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: you should say, because I got brought up in a

961
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: Christian family and and I was always you know, of

962
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: the belief that God created the universe, Okay, And then

963
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: then I started reading a lot about science and they

964
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 2: talked about this Big Bang theory.

965
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: I said to myself, Yeah, we who created the Big bank?

966
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: The Big Bang? Like it just didn't happen. Someone must have,

967
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: of course done something to create this Big Bang which

968
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: created the Earth and the Sun and the planets and

969
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: everything else the universe.

970
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: Like I told you, every answer that I was looking

971
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: for was in it. That was in Islam and in

972
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 2: the Quran. Hold the Quran. The scientific miracles that are

973
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: in the Quran about how baby was this is the

974
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: modern only modern science found out about top hundred years ago,

975
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: how baby is born. How there's how a female bees,

976
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 2: you got two stomachs? Our honey's our honey is a healing.

977
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 2: There's so many things that that.

978
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: All the quirks of nature of the quacks and nation, how.

979
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: Other the what do you call it? The universe is

980
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 2: expanding all the quick Then he found out recently I've

981
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: been written in it by proper Mhammed speak upon him

982
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: fourteen hundred years ago with a guy that that was illiterate,

983
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like, just don't I just

984
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: want people to do their research. Don't judge no book

985
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: by by its cover or what people talk about it,

986
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: what people say about it, or not by the politics,

987
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: especially politics especially, So do some research and do your

988
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: own research, delve in and get you find a mensaine for.

989
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: Yourself, you know, and talking about politics so recently and

990
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: I thought you did a good job. You had a

991
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: debate with Paint.

992
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it defate or whatever I call it,

993
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 2: but it was very respectful. Yeah, I didn't want to.

994
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: I mean, like I about a lot harder. But like Pauline,

995
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: she's she's someone that like, oh, I sort of believe

996
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: the persona around her through through media as well. But

997
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: you know, I've heard from a lot of people that

998
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: I know that I'm close with that she's not a

999
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: bad person.

1000
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know she's not a bad person. Yeah.

1001
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: And and so that when they found out I was

1002
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: doing this interview and she was going to be on

1003
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: the on the panel, they said that was I was

1004
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: quite surprised and shocked and telling me she helped some

1005
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: black followers and this and that, I mean, she got

1006
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: her beliefs and you know what she wanted to do.

1007
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: You know, we were at a lot of things we

1008
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 2: want to agree to disagree on. But I'm gonna stick

1009
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: with my my my beliefs, and she she'll stick with hers.

1010
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 2: But there's no reason why we can't be cordial and

1011
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: respectful and and and just have an open disagreement, like

1012
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: it's fine, it's fine, but what do you think about

1013
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: that the chocolate like.

1014
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: Today is like the world in Australia in particular Australia.

1015
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: If you don't agree or I don't agree with what

1016
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: the narrative.

1017
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: Is, they look at me like some sort of badly,

1018
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: like they look at you like you're a lunatic or no,

1019
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: that you're dangerous because I think like people say, say,

1020
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: say the vaccine, for example, vaccine.

1021
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: Maybe we were quite vocal about it.

1022
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: Do you research on you know, on on what's in

1023
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: the vaccine first first and foremost, you know what I mean,

1024
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: what's in it? And all the the stuff we have,

1025
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 2: like like asthma, autism, how's that's risen over the years

1026
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 2: as the vaccines have picked up one with more and

1027
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 2: more of them, more and more and more of them,

1028
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So they're not I believe

1029
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 2: Big Farmer's not there to qu to queue. You see

1030
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 2: the band aids you so you have a customer for life.

1031
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 2: It's all about us. Money is the root of all evil.

1032
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 2: And now I know why.

1033
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny she is that because I had

1034
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: on here a couple of weeks ago a bloke who was

1035
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: talking about UFOs like the podcast killed it. But one

1036
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: of the things he talked to me is about that

1037
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: Exactually that's that's that exact issue. And I said something like,

1038
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: and I believe this. My dad died last year and

1039
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: my dad was a healthies bloke. Ever, he's eighty nine

1040
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: and he died, but he'd got he'd been his doctor

1041
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: and not blaming the doctor, but the doctor. My dad

1042
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: was going to go on a cruise like Mum had

1043
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: passed away and they want to go on a cruise

1044
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: with my sister, like you know, there's something nice, and

1045
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: he booked the cruise before when they were trying to

1046
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: get on the cruise that they said, you have to

1047
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: get another vaccine for COVID. So he got his fifth

1048
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: or sixth vaccine from his doctor and my dad died

1049
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: now five six months later. Didn't go on the cruise

1050
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: good because like after he got his six vaccine, he

1051
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: got cancer. And he never been seeking his life. My

1052
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: man never be sick, never been vaccinating his life as

1053
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: a kid, because he grew up another country now vaccines existed.

1054
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: He never had vaccinations now never. He never in to hospital.

1055
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: My father never had an antibodic in his whole life, No,

1056
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: no one, no one. And he all of a sudden

1057
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: got the flu or some weird thing. The next thing

1058
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, he's got lung cancer and never smoked, didn't

1059
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 1: drink healthy. And I said that a lot of people

1060
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: blew up about it, and I'm just saying, like, I'm

1061
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: not talking scientifically, I'm just saying I'm just saying like

1062
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: it's a weird coincidence that someone like him asself is

1063
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: him got his six vaccination because they were forcing him

1064
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: to to get on the bloody cruise and he passed

1065
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: away a little while later.

1066
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: Mark, that vaccine was a death shop Mate, it was

1067
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 2: a death It was an agenda. It's openly said. And

1068
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: if you they're now admitting it, if you dig it

1069
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 2: up on Lafe, you'll see, you'll find out they admit

1070
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: that they believe the elites, the so called elites, believe

1071
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 2: there's too many people in the world. I want to

1072
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: color a population by from eight billion to you know,

1073
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: eight of the billion coal seven seven seven billion. Yeah,

1074
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 2: And their agenda twenty thirty that is on the radar

1075
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: with the digital ID and this and that was going on.

1076
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: And what all they passing acts in government now to

1077
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: make that come to come to come to pass. That

1078
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: vaccine was a death shot, bro to compromise your immune

1079
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: system and to basically cull you.

1080
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: Brother. I got doctor mates who told me not to

1081
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: get one of the vaccines. Not not the first one

1082
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: astrosenic or whatever it's called. And this first when it

1083
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: first came out, like and they said, don't get because

1084
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: if you remember people my age, we weren't allowed to

1085
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: get the other one, the m or n A one

1086
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: because I don't know what the reason was, but we

1087
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: had to do astrosenic for some reason. I came up

1088
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: with the reason was somebody who a blood clock to

1089
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: some bloody thing and uh. And then so I and

1090
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't travel. I want to travel. And they said,

1091
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: if you don't have it, if you're at the airport,

1092
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: like the airport's closed. I was at the airport. You

1093
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: had to show them where your certific was. And I

1094
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: had to go out to a farm and check on

1095
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: some ship going on the farm. And so I got

1096
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: the first job, and then the second job I've got.

1097
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: I got no joke. I got COVID the.

1098
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: Next day, That's what I'm saying.

1099
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: But I go to the next day.

1100
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: Was because you and a lot of other.

1101
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 1: I didn't have any more. They didn't have any other

1102
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: bloody jabs.

1103
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 2: Would who you and everybody else? And that's the other

1104
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: way done it. They made out wasn't men mandated, but

1105
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 2: they forced people because of course to live and to

1106
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: pay the bills.

1107
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: I could get up to my farm and then my

1108
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: staff for need me to come up and we had

1109
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: some drama up there. I come, but it was a

1110
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: flood or something and I had to get up there.

1111
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: And it's just a.

1112
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: Boring But they would have to shoot me to to

1113
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: get that of me. Bro I would never put anhing

1114
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 2: in me. I would brother close brother of mine, Adam Hodder, Yeah,

1115
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 2: I know Adam. Yeah, the lawyer he took me.

1116
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: They got I worked with Murphy.

1117
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. He took me to see one of the

1118
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: doctors and the stomach Muslim doctors there, that was the Kember.

1119
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: And we went there and because Adam he was a

1120
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 2: bit scared, I think because he had a few issues

1121
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: with his heart and you know, he retitude with his

1122
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: family and stuff. And he was like be scared of

1123
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 2: what the young petraying on the medium and that he said.

1124
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 2: And he took me down there to see if I

1125
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: would with fold you know what I mean, fold on

1126
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: the pressure and the doctors talking towards, explaining towards you know,

1127
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: and he and he's going, it's good for you this

1128
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: and that just keeps his away this way, you won't

1129
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: get it overd again. And I said, but I'm not.

1130
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm not having a bra Like what do you what

1131
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: do you do?

1132
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: What do you do?

1133
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? I'm not having it? Yes, yes,

1134
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: what are you doing? And I said, Adam to ask Adam?

1135
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: He dragged me.

1136
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: He dragged me and then through through my you know,

1137
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: denying my denials of the and I was what I

1138
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: was reading all your instagram you were you were pretty

1139
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 2: pretty strong about it from my denials of that Adam.

1140
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: Adam didn't get either, you know, And now I reckon

1141
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,479
Speaker 2: quietly issould you know he thanks me like he thinks

1142
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: of me, like saving him because he had a lot

1143
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: of Like I said, heart and that jab it compromises

1144
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: your respiratory system, like what do you think heart attacks

1145
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: have risen like astronomicomically? Then wonder that that that that

1146
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: was and the protocols in the in the in the

1147
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 2: hospitals was to put you on ventilators and and and

1148
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: basically to kill you.

1149
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: Well for me, it was one of the for me

1150
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: in Australia, I think it's one of the worst things

1151
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: that ever happened in history. I believe that. And you know,

1152
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: like stop in the world, I reckon, but yeah, but

1153
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: the rest of the world, but like here, like people

1154
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 1: have not been able to get over the ball. Just

1155
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: see their mother who's locked in the hospital dying, That's

1156
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I just think it was some

1157
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 1: of them.

1158
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: And to and to and to somebody to have. Now

1159
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: they want to give all the authority to the World

1160
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: HAP organization, you know, to run our country or to

1161
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: make it.

1162
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: Gives the decisions about our public health exactly exactly.

1163
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 2: They're setting it up for another one. Yeah, there's going

1164
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: to be someone else coming. I don't know what. I'm

1165
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: not sure what I was going to be, but there's

1166
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: going to be someone else coming and where they're going

1167
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: to lock down and do the whole play again, but

1168
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: look out for like they did with the event the

1169
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: event I forgot what it was called, the Event to

1170
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: twenty or something before the actually before the coronavirus hit,

1171
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: they had the same playout, the same it's like a

1172
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: like a training session for it.

1173
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to have a big set of kahunas

1174
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: though here in Australia to get us again. Because I

1175
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: reckon most people like in your camp saying that's bullshit.

1176
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: We're not going to go through that again. Speaking of which,

1177
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: I have to ask you this before I wrap up.

1178
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean, by the way, it's great avenue topic. This

1179
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: is so cool and as gosh gone good yeah, good

1180
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: load for me. But I have to ask about your song, mate,

1181
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: my song, bro, what's going on?

1182
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 2: Brother? I've done this song with the great late Archie Roach. Yeah,

1183
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: he's a he's an icon of the music and he

1184
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 2: had an iconic song for the for our people. It's

1185
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 2: called Took the Took the Children Away. You can get

1186
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 2: on all the platforms on Spotify, Spotify, iTunes, Apple and

1187
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 2: all that.

1188
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: But tell me about the songs you Basically.

1189
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 2: It's about the Stolen generation. This is Archie song, the

1190
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: original song because he was obviously stolen generation took him

1191
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: and he tells his story. And I was just coming

1192
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: with the rap rap. I do I think eight or

1193
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: sixteen bar rap about well one name. My mom's mom

1194
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,919
Speaker 2: was Stone generation. She died with no identity. She died

1195
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: with no identity, have no identity. Imagine not you not

1196
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 2: being chocking like that's what I'm saying, Like, she died

1197
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 2: with no identity and she died with not know who

1198
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: she wasn't or where she come from? You know what

1199
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: I mean? And if if that show, if the show,

1200
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 2: what's that show where they find.

1201
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah they find your parents?

1202
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: Did they got back? Yeah? Yeah?

1203
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? Where do you think you are aware?

1204
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: Do you think you are? If you're watching this, look

1205
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: it up me get me on. I want to find

1206
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 2: out and bring closure to my mom, my mom's family.

1207
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should have you on.

1208
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they got so far, because I only got

1209
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: a certain amount of documents, but that they should dive in,

1210
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: delving deeper and they will find out more. But she

1211
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: she's from the she's not actually from RADERI. She's from

1212
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: the dung Guddy Regional camps camps around there, you know

1213
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: what I mean? No, no campy area.

1214
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: You feel strongly about this?

1215
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, I do, I do, I think, And that's

1216
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 2: why my rap I was I was. I wrote the

1217
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: liricies from from my land's eyes, you know what I mean?

1218
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 2: And and the powerful lyrics man has took the children away.

1219
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: Look look stream, it goes downloaded and you you'll feel it, man,

1220
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: because I actually Archie's voice and his soulful voices so

1221
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 2: good man.

1222
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: I remember during the voice campaign. Warren's your uncle listening cousin.

1223
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: Warren was sort of against it.

1224
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: Where did you sit on it for the campaign for yeah,

1225
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 2: which it was. It was it was I'll see what

1226
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 2: it was.

1227
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: The window dressing.

1228
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: No, No, it was a it was a land grab.

1229
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: There was a land rap they wanted to because because

1230
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: this this nation never came whenever, we never, the Black

1231
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 2: Fellows never gave up their sovereignty. They can't the whole,

1232
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: the whole that they can't do what they want to

1233
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 2: to Australia because that I own it. That to get

1234
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: that's why they wanted to get the the Black Fellows

1235
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: into the what you call the voice, into the voice,

1236
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: into the Constitution so then they can claim the land.

1237
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: So you're saying it was a sneaky way around the

1238
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: back to get concessions.

1239
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: And there was a billion, multi billion dollar campaign to

1240
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 2: do it. And they're paying people and they will sell

1241
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: out left, right and center. And I have a lot

1242
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: of respect for those that sold out. And I know

1243
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: because I know who's who in the zoo, you know

1244
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: what I mean? You remember who sold out, especially of

1245
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 2: your people, Yeah, especially the Blackfellows, like you're not the people.

1246
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: So because but you're pretty vocal about it, like not

1247
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 2: not from a political point of view. You worked out

1248
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: what was behind the whole process, what you worked out

1249
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: why Albanezi government was trying to do this. Yeah, yeah,

1250
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 2: because I thought it was I didn't know this what

1251
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: you just said. I thought it was like a just

1252
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 2: a form of tokenism trying to you know, like the

1253
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 2: sorry campaign or like like virtual virtual signaling, you know,

1254
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: like signaling to the First Nation people, are you know

1255
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 2: we accept your plight. That's bullshit, that's what That's how

1256
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 2: it was soldmpaign.

1257
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: That was a narrative.

1258
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a narrative. But that was must begier

1259
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 2: than that, bro, They wanted to sell it.

1260
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: But you don't mind. One thing about you is that

1261
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: people can't say he's selective about when he speaks up.

1262
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: You speak up if it goes against what you believe in.

1263
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter whether you're not just even if some

1264
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: First Nation Indigenous people Aboriginal people even know they're your people,

1265
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: don't agree with you, you still speak up because it's just's.

1266
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 2: Your view, it's my view. I bought this platform, I

1267
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: bought who I am. Yeah I might be you know,

1268
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: if I get coverage because because I said it. Yeah,

1269
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 2: if you had the coverage, you know, if you've done

1270
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: what I've done, you have the same you have the

1271
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 2: same leverage. But you don't. Yeah, I don't. You you've

1272
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: never really cared. I mean, I mean you don't give

1273
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 2: a ship. But you can't care like you can't care

1274
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: like you brother, Like if you worry about other people,

1275
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 2: what other people say, well other people do, then you

1276
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 2: know you're going to be unhappy yourself, you know what

1277
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 2: I mean. I'm just I just I wake up every day,

1278
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 2: so I'm the lad to my my prayer, my prayers,

1279
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,479
Speaker 2: do my vicar. That's it. Yeah, just praising a lie

1280
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: and just thanking God because we're this this I'm fifteen

1281
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: out right, you'd be well fifty six.

1282
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: Old, seventy bro No, yes, look sick.

1283
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 2: Sick.

1284
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, not far off, Tony.

1285
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: But I'm saying like that went like that Mark.

1286
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's one hundred percent right.

1287
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 2: So this life's temporary and is as short, you know

1288
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: what I mean. So you just gotta live live, be

1289
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: as happy as you can be, give yourself in a

1290
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 2: in a good mindset, getting a routine of you know,

1291
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 2: being active, being loving, being caring and being a good

1292
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 2: person and stand for something, and stand for something that's

1293
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: that's a big deal for me. You do it doesn't

1294
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 2: matter if I don't agree with everything you agree with.

1295
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 2: But we can still be friends.

1296
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: We can still have disagreement, but like I respect you

1297
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: more that you stand for something than if you're sort

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01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,759
Speaker 1: of a softy walking around saying yes to everyone.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And as we we sort of work this out as

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Speaker 1: we get older older. But you've been doing ever since

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Speaker 1: day one.

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Speaker 2: Day one. I never backed down for nothing. But like

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Speaker 2: that's why when I was going through it in my prime,

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Speaker 2: most men will have folded that ship, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. Then nine to eleven ship when I said

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Speaker 2: about yeah, I remember before I went to before I

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01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 2: thought stand watch you. Yeah, you know, the racism ship,

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Speaker 2: like it just didn't stop, like you know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's why I was happy to be I can't want

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Speaker 2: to be out of this ship. But then I've realized,

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Speaker 2: like my achievements, that's legendary, legendary status. So I'm always

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Speaker 2: going to be relevant in that sense, you know.

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Speaker 1: And you've got to say something, You've got to use

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Speaker 1: the platform.

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Speaker 2: After you I platformed speak up, speak my opinion, speak

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Speaker 2: my mind and seeing up for what I believe in.

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Speaker 1: All right, for me, I really appreciate the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: talk to you. But like for me, I think what

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Speaker 1: you just said then summarizes Anthony Mundane. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Mate. The roller Lidyen