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Speaker 1: Appoche production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the first episode of a new series of

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Speaker 2: Our Little Lady. Across the next four weeks. We've got

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Speaker 2: some big updates to share.

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Speaker 3: Well, and welcome to one session when the local time

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Speaker 3: has just gone six semitable be getting into the game

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Speaker 3: very surely, keeping in mine on one session is one

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Speaker 3: hour ahead of Brisbone and it's around twenty six degrees

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Speaker 3: outside for everyone, Thank you please.

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Speaker 2: I can share with you that we recently went back

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Speaker 2: to Saint Helen's to visit Jason and Amanda.

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Speaker 4: So just got to Jason and Amanda's house.

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Speaker 2: Dogs are going crazy Jason's on the moa. On the

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Speaker 2: front of the moro I've just noticed as a sticker,

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Speaker 2: which is the sticker we mentioned in one of the

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Speaker 2: episodes a little while ago. Now let's go and say

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Speaker 2: hi to everyone. Hello puppies, Hello puppies. While we were there,

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Speaker 2: we got to sit down with Jackie Lamby and to

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Speaker 2: bring you those episodes across the next few weeks.

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Speaker 5: There's nothing that I hate more than cover up. So

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Speaker 5: for me, it's all about what's the right thing I

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Speaker 5: was brought up to know right from wrong. Don't cover

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Speaker 5: up because we're never going to get there and that's

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Speaker 5: what it is. It's just a bloody cover up up there.

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Speaker 5: Disgusts me. No, I don't think so. No when it

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Speaker 5: comes to people's lives, because I'm ready. So who's been

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Speaker 5: worzy injustices?

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Speaker 2: It all coincides with the tenth anniversary of Eden's death

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Speaker 2: on the eighteenth of February twenty fifteen. Kurna found that

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Speaker 2: Eden died on the seventeenth of February, so that date

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Speaker 2: will need to be changed. The family believes strongly, based

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Speaker 2: on the evidence available to them, that Eden died on

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Speaker 2: the eighteenth. In this episode, as the title suggests, we

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Speaker 2: thought we'd update you on the compelling reasons why this

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Speaker 2: case needs to be reopened and independently investigated. These reasons

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Speaker 2: are not just our work, but the body of work

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Speaker 2: that's been done by the Westbrook team. To start, I'd

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Speaker 2: like to focus on section fifty eight that the Tasmanian

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Speaker 2: Corners Act, which states that the Chief Magistrate may reopen

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Speaker 2: investigations for a number of reasons, and these reasons include.

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Speaker 1: A the investigation was or may have been tainted by fraud,

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Speaker 1: or b the investigation was not sufficiently thorough or was

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Speaker 1: compromised by evidentiary or procedural irregularity, or c there are

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Speaker 1: mistakes in the record of the findings, or d new

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Speaker 1: facts or evidence affecting the findings have come to light,

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Speaker 1: or e The findings were not supported by the evidence,

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Speaker 1: or f there is another compelling reason to reopen the investigation.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, the Westbrooks have a number of grounds they can pursue,

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Speaker 2: including the mistake in the date of the debt. As

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Speaker 2: you've heard over the life of this podcast, new facts

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Speaker 2: and evidence have come to light. There's also a strong

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Speaker 2: view that the investigation, including the forensic was not sufficiently thorough,

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Speaker 2: particularly when police failed to treat the death of a

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Speaker 2: child the suspicious. Let's get into some of the compelling reasons.

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Speaker 2: The first for reopening is the failure of the coroner

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Speaker 6: I was able to obtain the whole file, including the

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Speaker 6: post mortem examination report, but not the microscope slides or

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Speaker 6: the photographs taken during the post mortem examination.

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Speaker 2: Now, remember, Jason and Amanda don't need to see these,

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Speaker 7: My understanding is that they are available or present in

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Speaker 7: which causes me great concern because any photographs speak a

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Speaker 7: thousand words, and they are very In fact, they are

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Speaker 7: essential and integral to a post mortem examination. They form

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Speaker 7: They're photographs.

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Speaker 8: But what they do do is they assist in the

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Speaker 7: And it may be that there are.

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Speaker 8: Injuries present on the deceased that haven't been described or

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Speaker 2: We heard from Eden's sisters that her face was bruised

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Speaker 9: And then went to the lip. And when I was

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Speaker 2: We've also heard that the woman who first found Eden's

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Speaker 10: About six months later, I got a call from Bridgewater

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Speaker 10: and I said, ah, so it wasn't suicide. And they said, oh,

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Speaker 10: the coroners as determined.

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Speaker 2: To date, all requests to access autopsy photos have been denied.

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Speaker 2: Jason and Demander have also asked the Attorney General of Tasmania,

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Speaker 2: the Honorable Guy Barnett, who has the power to change

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Speaker 2: the law, to intervene. Since August of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: their requests to date have fallen on deaf ears. The

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Speaker 2: second compelling reason is the involvement of the disgraced Senior

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Paul Reynolds as the coroner's associate, who, in the

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Speaker 2: He was a monster who was an alleged pedophile. He

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Speaker 2: for numerous offenses. This is the most prolific grooming I

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Speaker 2: The third reason we think now more than ever this

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Speaker 2: by another coroner in Tasmania in another supposed suicide hanging case.

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Speaker 2: It was a case of Helen Bird in twenty ten.

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Speaker 2: Helen died in the same way as Eden. Her case

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Speaker 2: was closed without inquest. Like Eden, and Helen's death was

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Speaker 2: the new coroner found that the original investigation was inadequate.

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Speaker 2: The same forensic officer who attended and processed the scene

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Speaker 2: Bird's death. In the Halen Bird case, they didn't take

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Speaker 2: take samples of the rope for DNA. To date, after

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Speaker 5: Are the rope and the top? We need to look

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Speaker 5: at those autopsic photos and I need that rope and

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Speaker 2: The next compelling reason is the failure to interview the

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Speaker 2: woman we know as Kate's. She was nominated by the

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Speaker 2: to the family at the vigil for Eden and said

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Speaker 2: she could have stopped it. She also told Eden's sister

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Speaker 2: the same thing shortly after Eden's death. To date, the

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Speaker 2: Commission of Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: this episode of Our Little Lady. We're outlining the compelling

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Speaker 2: reasons for reopening this case and undertaking an independent investigation.

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Speaker 2: Another compelling reason is that any information that came forward

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Speaker 2: about this investigation, whether it be during the podcast or

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Speaker 2: for the eight years prior that went to police or

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Speaker 2: crime Stoppers, has not been shared with the family. The

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Speaker 2: Westbrooks have made several Right to information requests, but other

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Speaker 2: In one of the RTI disclosures, it's been confirmed that

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Speaker 2: Constable Smithhurst did view the CCTV footage of the skatepark,

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Speaker 2: but at two am it shows a woman talking to

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: Is that what you know of?

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Speaker 11: This is where I mentioned when I went looking for

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Speaker 11: Eden that night with Hunter and my daughter. At nine ten,

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Speaker 11: I'm under that camera. At eleven ten, I'm back under

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Speaker 11: that camera, stopped. I'm about to get out of the car.

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Speaker 2: The RTI disclosure stated that there had been a misunderstanding

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Speaker 2: in relation to the information Smithhurst gave the Westbooks within

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Speaker 2: days of Eden's debt. Did you do you know whether

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Speaker 11: I've parked under it. Yeah, literally, but those cameras are gone.

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Speaker 11: They pulled them out. They literally within six months. They

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Speaker 2: And that vision of that CSSTV no longer exists.

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Speaker 11: No, but I had say to my wife that it's

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Speaker 11: So he admits that he has seen it. And then

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Speaker 11: I've got Chris Smithurst. When I tell him that the

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Speaker 11: what's being said with two people under a camera at night.

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Speaker 11: So the copers are well aware that Eden Westboro is

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Speaker 11: under that camera at night at two am. Two am eighteen.

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Speaker 11: Didn't die on the seventeenth, Like the current.

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Speaker 2: Said, that is now impossible to corroborate the Smithhurst died

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Speaker 2: location of the skate park to where eat It died

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Speaker 2: takes about ninety seconds to walk. And then there's the

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Speaker 2: multiple witnesses that have come forward to the podcast about

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Speaker 2: alleged grooming at school. My police officers in town and

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Speaker 2: others within the community. Are you okay that I record

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Speaker 2: this conversation as a witness statement. This witness went into

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Speaker 2: more detail about that night. She named a woman who

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Speaker 4: I was sixteen at the time, ten and seventeen. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: I felt too scared to approach my parents or anyone

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Speaker 4: because being sixteen, you're nervous. Do you want to you know,

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Speaker 4: a lot older than you, and you know, putting these

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Speaker 2: And on the eighteenth of February, it will be ten

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Speaker 2: What is clear is that Eden was dearly loved. She

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Speaker 2: they still don't have any answers as to what happened

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Speaker 2: come off.

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Speaker 5: I just I just want to know, you know, and

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Speaker 5: you get you get I think it's you get really

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Speaker 2: Off too long.

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Speaker 5: I just we just want to know the truth. And

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Speaker 5: it's more important for the Westbrooks and the kids to

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Speaker 5: we need to know this and they're never going to

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Speaker 5: move on. And I want to know because if Eddie

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