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Speaker 1: doctor Cam McDonald coming at you live from bloody Well

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Speaker 1: to us live from Queensland, looking like some kind of

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Speaker 1: He's got a hoodie on, tiff Can you describe what

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Speaker 2: It looks like some sort of rambunctious, troubled youth that's

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Speaker 2: up to no good, not at all, don't Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, why don't you tell us where you are and why?

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Speaker 1: When you first started, I thought you were in your

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Speaker 3: in Rabina Town Center. I've got Harps's podcast that's on.

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Speaker 4: I'm currently standing next to a three twenty.

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Speaker 3: Four to seven parcel locker because it's the quietest place

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Speaker 1: This is this is high level. But you know, here's

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Speaker 3: Actually it feels like it's more important. And I keep

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Speaker 3: But really we're trying to save the world here with

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Speaker 1: So when you learn launch your personal podcast, you can

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Speaker 1: call it the Dark Alley with Doctor Cammick.

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Speaker 3: Into the depths.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we go where the others don't. That'd be good,

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Speaker 1: that'd be good. Yeah, tif, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm really good. I'm really good, smarty.

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Speaker 1: When Monday you just went and had your shit rubbed

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I find funny about massages? People

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating tip. Have you ever felt like balling while

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Speaker 1: Speaking of now this is a big left turn, but related.

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Speaker 1: exercise induced orgasms. Have you ever heard of that?

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of that?

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Speaker 2: There's ten to fifteen percent of women have had at

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Speaker 3: It's interesting you asked that, and I've got a I

437
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 3: actually think that that's it serves some people. Well, my

438
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 3: son is a as were spoken about, he's a little connector. Ultimately,

439
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 3: what that means is that what is happening in the

440
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 3: moment is the thing that is in the moment.

441
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 4: This is the thing that matters right now.

442
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: And if I was to pull him aside for something

443
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: he did two weeks ago, yes, he would just get

444
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 3: lost in the conversation straight away. Whereas and so I'm

445
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: finding that I need to consciously make that moment in

446
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: the moment and I need to deal with it in

447
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 3: the moment. However, there are like my niece and nephew,

448
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 3: for example, have a very different makeup, very future focused,

449
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 3: but also are a lot more logical and linear in

450
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: their thinking, and they do well having a structured conversation

451
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: about things, whereas I've just found that it's not even

452
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: though that's my preference, it's not being successful with my

453
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 3: more emotionally driven son. If I deal with something in

454
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: the moments, hey, hey mate, quick one, how to think

455
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: about this? And I have to say it in quite

456
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: a specific way for him to grab it. I can't

457
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: do the lecture thing. I can't do the explanation thing.

458
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 3: I've got to get him to I've got to trompt

459
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 3: a feeling out of him with a situation. How do

460
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: you think that would feel? Do you think this would see?

461
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 4: How do you think that would feel to them?

462
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: Yes?

463
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 4: So it's just different language.

464
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: Whereas I can really with my niece and nephew, I

465
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 3: can just break it down exactly the way that I

466
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: think about it, and they grab it because their brain's

467
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: a lot more similar to mine. So I think there's

468
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: absolute value in it. It's the way and the timing

469
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: of it. Will differ up for people.

470
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Speaker 1: I remember, I don't know how long it was ago,

471
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 1: Tiff might tell me five months or something ago. Tif

472
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: and I had a bit of a rough patch for

473
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: no logical reason, and it was just like we're both

474
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: a bit fucked off at each other for nothing in particular, right,

475
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what it was. But I remember one

476
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: day we had something of an emotional conversation which went

477
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: from emotional to not emotional to just really healthy too.

478
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: And I would say in you know, I don't know, Tip,

479
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: was it twenty minutes on the phone or something like.

480
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember where it happened. I was out walking,

481
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know where you were, but I remember

482
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: exactly where I was when they had we had a

483
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: conversation and you're a bit upset and I was a

484
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: bit upset, and there was a bit of miscommunication and

485
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: misunderstanding and a few assumptions that were incorrect on both sides,

486
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah blah blah. I reckon since that

487
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: one conversation, like, our relationship has been one hundred percent

488
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: healthier than it was even before, don't you think ever? Ever? Yeah,

489
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: Like it's just like, oh, well, I wish I had

490
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: that fucking conversation before, because this is not that hard.

491
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: You know where I had to go. You know, I

492
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: with this what I think this? She said, this is

493
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Speaker 1: what I think and feel, and I went, this is

494
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: what I think and feel. And we both went, ah, well,

495
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: I didn't mean that, and I went, I didn't mean

496
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: that and we both went ah, shoulder strug all right

497
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: then or good?

498
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 5: And it's I know that won't work for everyone, but

499
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 5: for me that when you like just take a little

500
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 5: bit of time and space and you're not hurrying, you're

501
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 5: not doing it off the back of something else, or

502
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 5: you're not rushing to somewhere or.

503
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: With that in mind, what do you think of the

504
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: idea of adults asking children for feedback on their performance,

505
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 1: as in saying, your kid, as a dad, how am

506
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: I going? What do you think I could do better?

507
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: Now?

508
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: I know that's a you know, that's going to be

509
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: a bloody nightmare, maybe or maybe not, because I would

510
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: like to really understand what if I was a dad,

511
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: what I am like through their eyes? Like what is

512
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: the CRAIGIEXP into the dad experience? Obviously this is my PhD,

513
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: but you know, what is it like being around me

514
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: for them, not what do I think it is, but

515
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: what the fuck actually is it?

516
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if they've got the language for it, right,

517
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: I mean, and you cannot, I think, to get to

518
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: get them to articulate something that you know that makes

519
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 3: sense at an adult cognitive level, I think would be

520
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 3: a stretch.

521
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 4: There would be feedback that you could get on. Yeah,

522
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 4: I mean, they're definitely.

523
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: I mean from the experience, there's definitely to say, like

524
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: do you feel like I'm listening to you all of

525
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 3: the time? Do you feel like if you went in

526
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: with some guided questions as to the types of things

527
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: that we know is important just to the human experience,

528
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: I think you could get some some good stuff out

529
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: of that. The there's so much, there's so much consideration

530
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 3: that's outside their sphere when it comes to being a

531
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: you know, like the way that you manage emotions, the

532
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 3: way that you put things to a side, or as

533
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: a mother as well, like mums put so much to

534
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 3: the side to you know, to be the mother and

535
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: to be centered and to be balanced for the child

536
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 3: and to forego things.

537
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 4: So it's a really interesting question.

538
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 3: I mean, definitely, I would argue that they're constantly giving

539
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 3: that feedback all of the time indirectly. Yeah, I'm just thinking, Yeah,

540
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: it's a really good question. I think some kids would

541
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: be able to do it quite well. There's some kids

542
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: that are able to articulate their thoughts in a really

543
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 3: powerful way. They're able to break down things with structure.

544
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: Other kids are a lot more emotionally driven. Other kids

545
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 3: will want to please you and will give an answer

546
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: that you want. So I think you would have to

547
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: ask the question specifically if you go on for a

548
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: very specific outcome. What do you think?

549
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would just be an interesting exercise.

550
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think different kids are going to

551
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: give you different levels of you know, honesty from one

552
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: of a better term and insight. And also I agree,

553
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, whether or not they actually to be able

554
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: to one identify clearly what they feel or think and

555
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: then articulated in a way that's meaningful is you know,

556
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: another challenge. But I was thinking while you were talking,

557
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: this my first real experience with this kind of interactive

558
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: feedback and you know, kind of situational on social awareness

559
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: and what am I like and what do you think

560
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: of me? And all that stuff, was when I worked

561
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: at sin Kilda Footy Club, which was a long time ago,

562
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: and there was a dude called is still a dude

563
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: called Ray MacLean who runs I think he still runs

564
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: an organization called Leading Teams And sin Kilda was one

565
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: of the first clubs back in the day to bring

566
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: in an external contractor. And some of it was rough,

567
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: where we just plugged a dude up the front, a

568
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: player up the front, and everyone just went, here's what

569
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 1: we think. And I mean some guys were good with it,

570
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: some guys weren't good with it. Some guys, you know, understandably.

571
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: And that's also, you know, to what you were saying,

572
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: what will work with one person, which actually could be

573
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: quite empowering and helpful, insightful and directive for somebody else,

574
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: could be a comple complete social clusterfuck where it's just

575
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: this doesn't work at all, and now I hate you

576
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: and fuck off and don't talk to me. So that's

577
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: the other thing. We're trying to apply one single idea

578
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: or methodology or protocol to forty different athletes in other words,

579
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: forty different human beings and thinking you might get some

580
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: kind of consistent accuracy or feedback or you know, it's

581
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't work either.

582
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: You have to assume amazing emotional intelligence. Like I know

583
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: plenty of my friends if they got some really bad

584
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: feedback from their kid, it doesn't miss them like it

585
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: hits them, and it changed their response and there'll be

586
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: defensiveness and they'll be justification and they'll come around to it.

587
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: But you know, there's.

588
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that with the right lens you

589
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: can check out the feedback that you're getting from your

590
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: child all of the time, based on their behavior and

591
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: various things like that. But yes, even in that situation,

592
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: like we know that some individuals are much more geared

593
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 3: towards the external perception of status and if they don't

594
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: have it, it's it's really damaging and a lot of

595
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: them so and that the same person is very future focused,

596
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: so to be told about all of the things that

597
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: are wrong with their past, the things that they've done

598
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: in the past, that just plays on their mind. They've

599
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: dropped their status. They're now having to focus on the

600
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 3: past rather than thinking, well, why don't you just tell

601
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 3: me what I can do better, rather than how I'm

602
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: really bad, whereas somebody else loves that past orientation is

603
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: very very open to feedback, isn't so worried about the

604
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: status of things, and so it doesn't have the same

605
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: impact on They can take a lot away from it.

606
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: They're not so emotionally charged by the whole thing. So

607
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: absolutely there's But at the same time, if you've got

608
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 3: a if you're wanting to build a culture of we

609
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: talk about everything and you know, then that's one way

610
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: of going about it. But I would say that and

611
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: even from the session that I'm thinking about later on today,

612
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 3: is in order for somebody to receive feedback really well

613
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: and grow, for someone to feel like this is a

614
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: really good environment and I now want to get better

615
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: and I'm now motivated, and it to be intrinsic.

616
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: They have to feel safe.

617
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: And so if a person is feeling incredibly threatened up

618
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: the front, you need to have an incredible safety mechan

619
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: around that situation so that they have time to process it,

620
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: they have time to be caught on the other side

621
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: of it, they have time to be you know, like

622
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: to be then loved. I don't know if that happened

623
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: at s and Kilda, but there needs to be a

624
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: safe environment in order for healing to occur. That's why

625
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: you need to sleep. That's why you heal when you sleep.

626
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: That's why you're immune system comes on when you sleep.

627
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: That's when you can't take a kid out of trauma

628
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: unless you've actually got them into.

629
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: A safe place.

630
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: That's why psychological consultations they take you into that dangerous

631
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: spot while you're in a safe place.

632
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 4: It is.

633
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: And if you're now on a team and then straight

634
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: away you're running out under the paddock afterwards and you

635
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: haven't had a time to decompress, then you're out there

636
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 3: thinking about what are these blokes actually think of me?

637
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: You know, should I even kick to them? So it's

638
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: an interesting one.

639
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, and in their defense, they were still very good.

640
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean they were very good, and they were really

641
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: breaking ground, you know in this psychological, emotional, social intelligence,

642
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: interaction awareness kind of space, and you know they're still

643
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: around and they've really evolved, and it was for the

644
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: most part, it was good. But even if you've got

645
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: the best model or the best whatever, the best protocol

646
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: and the best intentions, even now you know, you go,

647
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: even with all we know now and everything, you're still

648
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: you're still going to get some bad outcomes just because

649
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: you're dealing with so many different human beings. When you

650
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: go into something like today, what are the what are

651
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: the outcomes that you want to get? Like? What are

652
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: the intended out So when you talk to the teachers

653
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: or the principal or whoever, it is like, what are

654
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: we looking to get out of a day like this

655
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Speaker 1: where you're spending with you know, some primary aged kids

656
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: in terms of what we might see off the back

657
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: of it.

658
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a group of about twenty educators and

659
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: the leadership team.

660
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I thought it was with kids.

661
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: It is for the kids, right, for the kids, right, Yeah,

662
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 3: But regardless, the outcomes are actually the same even if

663
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: this is happening for the kids too. The number one

664
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 3: thing is they have to feel safety during the session,

665
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 3: and that's generally I do some sort of visualization that

666
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: takes them to a place where they can feel safe,

667
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: and then I get them to talk about their experience

668
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: to somebody else about that sense of safety and what

669
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: it means to them.

670
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: Can I interer up for one sec. Are you talking

671
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: about the teachers need to feel safe or are you

672
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: talking about when the teachers do this work with the kids.

673
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 4: No?

674
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I get the teachers to feel safe, right, right?

675
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 3: And the reason for that is because you can talk

676
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: theory and science at them the whole time, but they'm

677
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: actually feeling. The thing that we're trying to get the

678
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: kids to feel is easily the most convincing evidence that

679
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: they can collect on the day. So we talk about

680
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 3: the theory normally, I give them the experience first. I

681
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 3: make sure that they feel something, because they get them

682
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 3: immediate response, oh jeez, that is really nice. That does

683
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: feel good. I do like that person and the effect

684
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 3: that they have on me. That does make me feel

685
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: better and more motivated and more clear. And so you go, great,

686
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 3: have a chat to your friend about it. And then

687
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: we explain some of the science as to why it

688
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: happens the way that it does and why it relates

689
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: to the thing that we visualized. So they go, okay,

690
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: well that now makes sense. That gives them the principles

691
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 3: then to say, well, how can I translate that to

692
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: another person? And so by the end of it, they've

693
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: already got a structure that is built of the way

694
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: they're feeding these positive comments to the kids. What I'm

695
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: looking to generate today is for them to say, holy crap,

696
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: if we don't do this, it's negligent. You know, if

697
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: we don't, if we don't really support these individuals and

698
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: then get everybody in their life to reflect this stuff

699
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: back to them. I mean, if we do it, it

700
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: makes such a powerful difference. If we don't, then we're

701
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: robbing them a little bit. And I want that sort

702
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: of comparison so that when the logistics of hey, you've

703
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: got to fill out this sheet and you've got to

704
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: hand this sheet in at the end of the week,

705
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: and you're going to be tracked by the head of school,

706
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: like when all of that's liff comes around, I want

707
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: it to be framed in a ultimately and intrinsically motivated

708
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: place of I've got information, I know what it feels like.

709
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: I actually want to do this for the kids because

710
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: it's going to make me feel good, right.

711
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: I want to be a contrarian for one minute, not

712
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: because I necessarily. I definitely don't disagree with you. I

713
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: agree with you, and everything you said makes sense. But

714
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: I have a question that is a kind of a

715
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: juxtaposition of that particular idea that you just shared. My

716
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: question is, so we want people to learn, grow, evolve,

717
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: be resilient, be able to deal with uncertainty. We want

718
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: them to be able to adapt, deal with the unknown, essentially,

719
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: cope with hardship, because life is hardship. Is it ever

720
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: okay to create a situation where people feel unsafe? They're

721
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: not unsafe, but they feel unsafe And this is part

722
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: of the growing and learning and teaching.

723
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: Understand. Give me an example that you're thinking of.

724
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just thinking of like, you know, some times

725
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: when I would train people, and I will train people

726
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: hard as tiff nose, right, and it is not the

727
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: most comfortable, safe, joyful, pleasant. It's all optional though, and

728
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: I'd say you can stop any time, but I wouldn't

729
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: say that. The experience they're having is I feel safe.

730
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: Neither necessarily do I feel under imminent threat. But I

731
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: just think that And maybe safe or unsafe is not

732
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: the exact terminology. But I'm thinking, like we talk so

733
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: much about resilience and being able to be the calm

734
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: and the chaos equanimity, you know, dealing with all of

735
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: these real kind of life experiences, the good, the bad,

736
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: the peaks of troughs, a fucking ugly, the beautiful, Like

737
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: we've got to deal with all of it, not just

738
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: the peaks and not just the beautiful and not just

739
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: the comfortable. But I think if we always train people

740
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: in a comfortable environment, what happens when they step out

741
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: of the comfort, when they step out of the safety

742
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: and the known and the certain into the opposite? Have

743
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: we prepared them for that?

744
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 4: I love that.

745
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 3: So the thought that goes through my mind when you

746
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 3: say that is the equivalent of uh, let's say stress,

747
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: like they're going through stress when they're exercising really hard

748
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 3: as opposed to the safety is a recovery space. Yes,

749
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: So in my mind, what you're doing firstly you create

750
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 3: well for me, straight up exercise, you become unsafe. Let's

751
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: for the purposes of this experience, when you're testing yourself

752
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 3: above and beyond.

753
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: Yep.

754
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: The safety environment then is getting enough sleep because that's

755
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: where your recovery happens. It's eating enough food because that's

756
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: where your recovery happens. And if you were to consistently

757
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: miss sleep and consistently miss your nutrition, eventually that same

758
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 3: environment that was tolerated but a little bit risky will

759
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: now start to cause injury because there isn't a recover

760
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: from that stress that's being placed on somebody. So if

761
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: you're couching that exercise firstly in an amount that's appropriate

762
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: a progressive overload, and then you're ensuring that they get

763
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: an appropriate amount of recovery. Then that's that wrap around

764
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: of safe environment to risk to safe environment again where

765
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Speaker 3: the healing can occur.

766
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Speaker 4: Because the only point of having.

767
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 3: A stressful like the only the benefit of having a

768
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: stressful experience is if there is some sort of recovery

769
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 3: on the other side of it, that's where you learn

770
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: about it. If you're just constantly under stress, you just

771
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: constantly waste your body away, that's you see an ultra

772
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: marathon runner. They're a shadow at the end of their

773
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: one hundred cases. So the equivalent for me cognitively and

774
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: emotionally is allowing someone to go into a space where

775
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: they're challenged is great, and then collecting them on the

776
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: other side and helping them learn and helping them recover

777
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: and helping them grow from the experience is the gold

778
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: I would I would say particularly for educators as well,

779
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 3: seventy percent of them at a moderate or greater risk

780
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: of depression and anxiety. I would say that they are

781
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: constantly in the example of training without sleep, most of

782
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: the time they are constantly feeling overburdened by life.

783
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: They're feeling like.

784
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: They're having to manage curriculum plus their workload, plus their

785
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 3: duties to parents, plus the ever increasing needs of neurodivergence.

786
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 3: And what that brings to the classroom as well is

787
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: that they are constantly living in a less than happy place.

788
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: They're often not being educated on how to eat well

789
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 3: and sleep well and exercise well to recover those things.

790
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 3: And so often my intention when I'm in a session,

791
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 3: I agree with you one hundred percent that we should challenge,

792
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: But most people I find don't even know how to

793
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: navigate back to safety first. And so I guess a

794
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: lot of the work that I do is about helping

795
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 3: people find safety because heaps a challenge already in their life,

796
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: they just handle it better once they know how to

797
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: return back to safety.

798
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: So that would be I agree, And I think you

799
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: know perfect.

800
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 3: Like the example you used before in a sporting team

801
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: is you need the whole gamut. Like you need to

802
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: make sure that you are challenging people with their training,

803
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: you also need to be maximizing their recovery mentally and

804
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 3: emotionally as well.

805
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 4: So I agree, I agree, that's what came to mind.

806
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: It's interesting because and this sounds like bullshit, but it's not.

807
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: Literally this morning, I was at the cafe and I

808
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: was talking to a guy who played about two hundred

809
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: games of AFL, so, you know, very good, not a

810
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: super duper star, but a very fucking anyone who plays

811
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: five games to me as a hero, right, but and

812
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: there's five games more than I ever could have played

813
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: in anything professional, but so really good player. And we

814
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: were talking about he's now coaching a team, and he

815
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: was talking about how they went on the weekend. They won,

816
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: but they were shit in the first half, and they

817
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: got their shit together, and we're talking about dealing with pressure,

818
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: and we both spoke about athletes that either we've played

819
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: with him or coached me worked with, who were genetically gifted,

820
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: who were skilled, who could run a fucking five K

821
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: time trial in you know, fifteen or sixteen minutes, who

822
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: could like they had all of these gifts and skills,

823
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: but in the middle of a game, in front of

824
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, seventy or eighty thousand people at the MCG,

825
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: they just couldn't deal with the pressure. So despite the

826
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: fact that they had all of the physiological and skill

827
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: kind of attributes they never really succeeded because they just

828
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: couldn't manage their mind to manage their body. And this

829
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: is you know, it's so interesting. And I think that

830
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: even with like I've watched Tiff over the last two

831
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: years go from being let's see, not terrified but not

832
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: super confident in front of audiences to now where she's

833
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: very skilled. Like it's the same woman doing the same thing,

834
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: but the confidence and the capacity to form under pressure

835
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: and freestyle and b in the moment and just deliver

836
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: has really evolved. You know, like she doesn't have more potential,

837
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: she has more skill, but she doesn't have better genetics.

838
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: She doesn't act like everything's the same, except she's evolved

839
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: in the way that she needed to evolve. And I

840
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: think that that whole You know, whether or not you're

841
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: a politician or an athlete, or a corporate speaker, or

842
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: you building an organization and trying to change the world,

843
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: you know, how well you can perform under pressure is

844
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: almost the overarching determinants determinant of successful failure.

845
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree. And the reason that Tiff has

846
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: got better, oh it has it was because she was

847
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: putting herself in an uncomfortable place, and then recovered and

848
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: then reflected, collected, put herself in a more uncomfortable place, again,

849
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: reflected and collected, put it on. And it's that progressive

850
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: overload which is really important. So I agree that controlled

851
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: discomfort is a brilliant thing. It's what exercise training is

852
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: all about. Like to make it the easiest analogy ever.

853
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: So yes, it's the cycle of challenge and recovery, challenge

854
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: and recovery where you can learn from the things.

855
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 4: I think that for me is the key.

856
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: Okay, two things before we wind up. I may have

857
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: asked you these at some stage, but if I did,

858
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: it was years ago. So I want to revisit these

859
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: two questions that I sometimes ask new people to the show.

860
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: Question number one is what is something that you believed

861
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: that you don't believe anymore, or something that was really

862
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: part of your teaching or your ideology or and you

863
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: might have just changed the way you do it, or

864
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: you might have done a complete one idea and thought

865
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: I think now I don't think that anymore because I've

866
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: got new information or awareness or knowledge. What's something that

867
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: you've done a version of a one ad on?

868
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that knowledge is the most important thing for me,

869
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: Knowledge was the most important thing.

870
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 4: That was my strength. I loved collecting knowledge. I loved.

871
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Speaker 3: But now I know that it's it's the feeling that

872
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 3: is created in people. For some it is the knowledge,

873
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 3: for others it is But even on stage, like particularly,

874
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,479
Speaker 3: you know, I used to think, if I just feel

875
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: my slides and just fill people's brains with content, then every.

876
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 4: Of the world's going to change.

877
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 3: And what I realized now it's the emotion that people experience,

878
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 3: and it's the practicality of them being able to put

879
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: into place and it you know, just the way that

880
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 3: I explain things now is so basic because you just

881
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: don't need the detail in order for people to feel

882
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 3: it and then do it. So that's probably been a

883
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: huge change. And I still see that in myself now,

884
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: like I'll the first time I present new content, I'll

885
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 3: be over I'll be overboard with the information that there'll

886
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: be too much of it. That's still an old habit

887
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: that I go into sometimes.

888
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: All right, last question is two. Part Part one is

889
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: what are you great at? Uh? And there's nowhere you

890
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: going that you just have an awareness that you're very

891
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: fucking good at that thing. And Part two is what

892
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: do you need to be better at?

893
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I know I'm great at going away collecting

894
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 3: information and turning into something that's that's fun to listen

895
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: to where people can get an insight from it and.

896
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 4: Do it in a in a fun way.

897
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: School. I like that school.

898
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 3: And then the things that I need to be better at,

899
00:47:48,960 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: I would have to say, discipline around routine really yeah, yeah,

900
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 3: I get things done. I get things done, but it's

901
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: more scattered than I would like it to be. So

902
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 3: it's there is a really nice rhythm that comes from

903
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: me being routined from doing the same thing, from tracking

904
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 3: the same metric. But there's part of my brain that goes, yeah,

905
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: let's do something different, and I just I just see that,

906
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: and I know that if I stayed on the original track,

907
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 3: then things will just move along with a little bit

908
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 3: more ease.

909
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 4: We still get there, but I know, I know I

910
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 4: could be better.

911
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 3: At that tip.

912
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 1: How often or many times have you and doctor Cam

913
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: been in the same room?

914
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: Have we been in the same room camp?

915
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: Have we ever? I don't think so.

916
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, zoom rooms. Yeah, but you've never you've never met

917
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: in person?

918
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

919
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is interesting. Yeah, I thought that well, doctor Cam.

920
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: When you do bump into Tip one day, treat yourself

921
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: to a boxing session with her. I think you'll enjoy it.

922
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: All right mate, We appreciate you. Tell people where they

923
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: can hear you up.

924
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just the best way to go is just

925
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: search doctor cam and then the Shay Group, Shae Group,

926
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: and then depending on whether you're a health professional and

927
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 3: wanting to look at precision health and medicine, whether you're

928
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: a corporate that's looking at well being, schools that are

929
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 3: looking at precision learning, precision leadership, gyms that are wanting

930
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: to personalize your membership experience. That's all of that can

931
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: be found at the Shay Group website at doctor cam.

932
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Speaker 1: Get the up. Butto cup all right mate, we'll say

933
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: goodbye here but good luck for today and have fun

934
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: with those teachers and we appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, appreciate it