WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 31 December 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:07.320 Lately, Zan gentle manner, welcome to the Late de Bay. Yes, indeed, 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.280 good evening and welcome to the late Debate. Nice to 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:11.360 have your company. Thank you for joining us. I'm Kel 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.240 Richards with me on the desk, Sky News contributor Evelyn 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.760 Ray and Will Kingston of the Fire at Will website. 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:19.479 Nice to have you a company and a lot of 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:21.760 interesting things for us to talk about tonight. For example, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.959 Donald Trump keeps talking about tariff's but if there is 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.960 a tariff war, will Australia be hit by the crossfire? 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:32.720 And what about those ugly anti semitism remarks? Do we 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.240 need to do something like surrender a bit of free 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.600 speech to get rid of those those in a moment? 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.240 But firstly, our future is in the hands of young people, 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.159 young Australians. What will they do with it? Will they 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.400 drag us in a sort of green hard left direction 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.879 or will they do something else? Well, there are some 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.159 figures which are just out now suggesting that young voters 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.840 in fact are not as left, not as green voting 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.080 as they once were. Take a look at this pie 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.120 chart which shows how voters in US aged en to 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.080 thirty four are likely to vote now at the moment 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.959 is showing that Greens getting twenty three percent of their 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.399 vote if you just look down three points, but they 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.039 used to have twenty seven percent of their vote. The 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:16.600 Greens are slowly losing that young vote. Now that young 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.160 voter is divided at the moment pretty much equally two 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.839 percent going to Labor and two percent of the Coalition. 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:24.399 But the fact that the Greens are losing that vote 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:28.080 is quite possibly significant. Will you come used for most 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.240 of the year in London. Is there any sign of 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.800 a movement in the younger generation to change where they 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:35.880 stand politically? 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.320 Yes, there is, And I think that's interesting you picked 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:40.440 up on that because it is a global trend. You 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.360 see Nigel Faraj having millions of followers on TikTok, you 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.280 see Trump gaining a huge amount of support with the 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.600 young vote in the last selection in the US. And 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.559 the reason is because the left have become the joyless 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:57.200 authoritarians in our modern age and the right are suddenly 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:02.200 countercultural thereby in compari Grrison the cool ones. My question 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.520 for us is are there those types of Farage or 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.560 Trumpian figures in Australia who can actually bring the cool 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.359 factor to the right on the liberal and conservative side 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:11.840 of politics. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.320 Do we need figures like that? I mean, Farage actually 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.800 got forty sorry, Trump got forty six percent of the 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.400 youth vote in America, which is not a big figure. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.440 Now do we need a charismatic figure like that? Or 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.080 will young people just say not happy with the left? 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:28.120 This is where I'm going. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:30.919 That's a good question. I don't think it would hurt, 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.239 would be the thing that I would say. And yeah, 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:37.399 I don't think it would hurt at all. What would 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:38.400 you say of them? 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.280 Yeah, I definitely think that regardless of who's sort of 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:47.040 at the forefront or the face of more right wing politics, 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.280 I still think regardless of that that the young voters 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.880 are going to start voting more right. The pendulum has 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:55.040 swung politically. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:56.519 But I do. 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.920 Think that having somebody that is charismatic, some with the 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.280 essence of Trump or Farage, somebody that can kind of 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:07.240 pull big crowds, will definitely get that happening a lot 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:10.120 quicker than if it was say somebody that we've all 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.040 seen for decades before in Australian politics like Dutton. I 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.239 think Dutton will serve a purpose. I think that he's 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.200 definitely probably the best we have so far. But I 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:22.000 think moving forward long term, I definitely think that we 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.280 need somebody who's going to appeal to the younger crowds. 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:29.760 Twenty twenty five, we've got either Dutton or Albanesi. That's right, 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:34.720 that's really quick true. Peter Dutton, ex policeman. Is he 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.160 down to worth enough? Is he realistic enough for young 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:38.480 people to vote for? Look? 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:42.040 I think he definitely is somebody a politician who cuts 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.200 the fat straight off the meat, and I think young 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.680 people like that. I think that young people like that 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.680 he's not afraid to give it to the mainstream media 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.200 like you've seen him in interviews. But to be honest, yeah, 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.800 I think that there is still a gap between politicians 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.480 and young graz you're laughing then at you. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.720 It's TikTok test evil and can we really see a 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.920 little you know, Donald Trump's style dance from Peter Dunton, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:08.960 Peter Dutton and who. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.480 Did that awkward hug on TV the other day that, yeah. 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.200 It's not quite the Trump dance actually became a craze 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:15.680 it did. 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.240 This is important. This matters in modern politics, in the 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.960 age where people don't watch long debates as much as 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.680 they watch short little bite sized segments. Those things matter. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:25.840 But the other thing I would say is is this 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.600 actually time for the left to have a good long 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.480 look in the mirror and actually wonder why they're losing 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.040 support amongst cause. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:33.920 To be honest, I think the left do what the 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.840 left do, and the right do what the right do. 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.240 The problem is partly that as far as the left 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.120 just con as far as the right is concerned, the 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.960 left is wrong, They're just mistaken. But as far as 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.400 the left is concerned, the right is evil. You know, 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.440 they are morally superior. It's very hard for them to 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.080 back down from a position like that. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.320 Yeah, I don't think that's always been the case, though. 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.360 I think that's an inversion in the last twenty years, 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.960 which is accelerated in the last ten and it's now 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:02.920 unfortunately so ingrained to cross all the institutions that you 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:07.360 see young people going. We are traditionally anti authoritarian, we're 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.800 traditionally countercultural, and that is now the place of the right. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.920 One of my favorite quotes comes from Nick Kay, a 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.680 great Australian artist, and he was asked how do you 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.640 be countercultural? In twenty twenty three When he was asked 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.120 and he said, you be a conservative, You go to churches, 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.320 you praise God, you have a family, you do all 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.640 the things that used to be boring and lame, and 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:29.240 now that's the thing that makes you countercultural in twenty. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.400 Twenty three, or with the drawing power of those things, 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.599 or is it that the young people are turning away 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.839 from something they no longer like this? There's a famous 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.440 saying it's been around in politics for decades of governments 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.280 oppositions to win elections, governments lose them. So is it 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.800 the case of what we've got is an opposition a 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:50.240 government that is so unattractive it's losing people, rather than 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.520 having a charismatic opposition that's winning them. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.440 I think it's I think it's bigger than politicians and government. 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.960 I think it's in terms of it what the government. 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:01.920 Yeah, I do. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:07.680 I really believe that progressivism has absolutely you know, killed 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.800 the left, the moderate left, the centrists. And I think 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:15.680 because progressivism has been shoved so down people's throats, this 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.480 is an inevitable result. People are going to rebel against that. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:18.800 You know. 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.600 I think one of the greatest things that I saw 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.640 come out of COVID was what it did to the 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:26.560 young kids and I remember seeing a scene in Victoria 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.080 where there was a skate park that was cordoned off 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.840 by crime scene tape, and you saw these young kids 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:36.039 out there ripping it down and fanging around with their skateboards, 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.800 and I remember thinking, yes, there is hope for the 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:43.000 future because it is tyrannical governments and arbitrary laws that 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.000 young kids are even smart enough to recognize five year 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.920 olds can go that doesn't make logical sense. And that's 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:51.760 exactly what happened. And you will radicalize a group of 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.120 people when you cut off information to them and you 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.560 say you can't do ABC or D and it makes 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:57.159 no sense. 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.080 And that's what the young voters are going to do. 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.080 But the good news is we older voters, in fact, 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.680 are a vast majority of the public, and we are 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.840 swinging towards the Coalition in much larger numbers according to 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.560 the most recent surveys. There are still things, however, in 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.760 our society that worries, and one of them is ugly 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.800 anti Semitism. There's an academic at Macquarie University, Runda Abdulphatar, 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.760 and she has posted that for this coming year, for 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.280 twenty twenty five, she wants it to be the year 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.680 which is the end of Israel as a nation and 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.720 the end of what she calls the death cult of Zionism. 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.360 May twenty twenty five be the end of Israel, she 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.360 wrote on Instagram. May be the end of the US 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:41.400 Israeli imperial scourge on humanity. May we see the abolition 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.040 of the death cult of Zionism and the end of 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:48.280 US Empire and finally a world where the slaughter, annihilation, 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:52.560 and torture of Palestinians is no longer daily routine. And 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:57.280 to achieve this is to snowball collective liberation, because the 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.960 tedacles of Western imperialism oppressed and dehumanize as all. Now, 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.400 you know, there is a degree of delusion about what 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:09.680 is actually going on there, but she clearly that is 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.640 a very ugly sort of anti Semitism. And we've seen 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.160 so much of this will what is driving it. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.960 Two things. Number one, it is the world's oldest prejudice 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.800 that has taken on a new form. And the second 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:26.280 is that, unfortunately the modern left now just has this 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.400 very basic view of the world, which is an oppressor 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.120 oppressed paradigm. 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.559 And it's the Marxist view. Mark said, there are only 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.559 two groups of people in society, the oppressed and the oppressors. 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.760 And if you're not, if you're not in the oppressed, 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.719 you must be one of the If you're not in 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.360 the oppress, you're want of the oppressed. But it's just 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.400 it's very simplistic role analysis. 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.199 But also, the Jews have been the most historically oppressed 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.400 group of people in history. But just because they are 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.280 now well sure debatable, but they've been oppressed throughout history 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.880 and now just because Israel is a successful, thriving state, 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:02.520 they are now seen to be the bad guys. And 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.400 that is the basic reality for the modern left. Now. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.360 Part of the problem with this particular woman run to 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:12.360 abdul Fatar is she's on the staff of Macquarie University. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.559 She's paid there as an academic, and she is in 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:18.840 receipt of an eight hundred thousand dollars grant research grant 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.679 from this Roadian Research Council. So she's getting a lot 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.160 of taxpayer dollars there at the university and in this 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.960 research grant. What is going on? Why are we paying 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:32.440 someone who's anti Semitic. Rents are pretty horrible? Why are 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.360 we paying her that much money? 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:39.439 It's very, very very simple answer to this multiculturalism. We 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.480 are a nation who prides ourselves on being multicultural. We 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.480 always have been, that is apart from our first foundations. 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:52.920 But this is an inevitable consequence of the multicultural dream 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.800 or dystopian nightmare, to be honest, because that. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.480 Follows if someone is making what a clearly aggress anti 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.120 Jewish comments, and they're fairly horrifying comments and some of 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.319 the things that you This is the same woman who 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.040 brought a group of children along to an anti Semitic 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.679 demonstration at Sydney University and had little kids chanting for 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:15.760 tar and andie Israelis statements. Now, if she's doing that 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.280 sort of thing, why should she get taxed by a dollars? 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:22.280 There's no because our country has said that she's allowed to. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.319 I'm happy to elaborate because you know, she's Palestinian. So 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.760 what did we expect. We have somebody of Palestinian descent 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:35.000 and ethnicity here in Australia, and we've told we have 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:39.000 literally told pretty much our politicians have told every Australian 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:43.760 that we're a very pluralistic nation, being that every culture, 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:48.840 every religion, every ideology is equal. It all comes under equality. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.920 Everybody gets this, and until we address the elephant in 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.760 the room, which is first and foremost, not all cultures 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.199 are equal, and not our ideas are equal or should 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.240 be good. Until we address that, this is going to 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:08.040 happen everywhere where we allow this type of culture dream 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:08.640 to take over. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:10.280 I think there are two issues here. I think there 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.360 is multiculturalism and cultural relativism. I don't think this is 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.880 necessarily a byproduct of multiculturalism, but well, because there are 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.360 a lot of white Anglo Saxon academics who think and 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.320 are saying the exact same thing. This is an ideology, 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.720 and I think the point is this is about cultural relativism, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.080 which says that all cultures are somehow equal, and to. 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:31.439 That our politicians have boon fedter. 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.240 And on that point I absolutely agree with you. I 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.480 think that ideology is absolutely wrong. But I think the 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:36.839 other point which we need to make is what is 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.760 the response here to this? And I think there's a 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.439 right response and a wrong response. The wrong response is 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.680 to limit speech further, and unfortunately that's been the instinct 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:46.520 on the left for some time, I think is actually 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.320 the instinct on the right increasingly. The real answer here 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.400 is how do we reform our education sector, which has 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.240 been so corroded by this type of ideology. 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.800 Well, let's take a look at that. Because the coalition's 0:11:55.880 --> 0:12:00.040 spokesman on education is Senator Sarah Henderson. This is what 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.480 she had to say about how we should respond. 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.439 This is frankly a disgrace, and even worse is that 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.320 the other and easy government is doing nothing to stamp 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:12.880 out this sort of anti semitism. 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.720 So the question is should Macuarie University Sacker as an academic. 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.880 Is she entitled to be there is this part of 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.640 academic freedom or has she stepped across the line. 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.400 No, they shouldn't sack her because I don't think this 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.400 meant the threshold of incitement to violence. But what they 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.360 should be thinking about, which is what I didn't here there, 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:32.319 is how do we reform the education sector. How do 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.839 we get more conservatives in as academics, How do we 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.960 get institutions that actually support liberal Western civilization as opposed 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.600 to whatever that is? How do we build new institutions. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.080 They're the conversations on the right that we should be having, 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.199 not just these boiler plate kind of answers that we 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:48.040 heard from Henderson. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.920 There. We have had the problem for a while in city, 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.000 and in fact there were some really ugly things happen 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.440 in the eastern suburbs. For example, there were really dreadful 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.360 slogans painted up on walls that we saw which were 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.760 anti Jewish. They would kill Israel. Those kinds of slogans 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.360 you remember those, you saw them on the news. These 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.320 kinds of things. Now, when that happened, the New South 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.360 Wales Premier Chris Mens obviously was under a lot of 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.200 pressure to react. You can't let that happen. You can't 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.560 have the cars burn and such horrible kill Israel signs 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.920 being painted up. So what should we do, well, Chris 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.199 Mins said, we need to toughen our laws and we 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.000 need to restrict what people can say and do when 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.200 it comes to expressing these kinds of opinions. Here's Chris Mins. 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.480 If we need to change laws in the state when 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.520 it comes to hate speech, that's what we will do. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.559 And I don't do that lightly. It is impinging on 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:45.360 people's rights, Is he right? Is that an appropriate way 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:45.520 to go? 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.880 One of the worst things that Australians do is and 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.280 every single time something bad happens, they look to Daddy 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.400 government to make them feel safe. Again. And unfortunately with that, 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.920 it's such a double edged because we are constantly looking 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.439 for these short term comforts and short term security, we're 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.440 missing out on these long term freedoms which are going to. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.520 Keep us with antisemitism. Government should do nothing. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.480 There's already laws in place. Kel. This is the thing. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.599 I'm happy to read you, the laws that we have 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.480 on incitement. There are countless laws that we have in 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.200 the Crimes Acts that we have under all different acts 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.320 of terrorism and everything you can imagine. We have so 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.360 many arbitrary, useless laws at our fingertips. We do not 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.360 need anymore. We have laws for incitement, we have laws 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.600 for harassment, we have laws for threatening violence, we have 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:44.200 laws for arson, we have laws for graffiti. We do 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.520 not need to add any of the only time you 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.600 should ever add laws to or enact laws into your 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.560 nation is if something is lacking, if there is a 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.400 whole that needs to be plugged. It doesn't we have 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.760 laws for actual crimes. What we're doing here is we're 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:05.360 trying to police speech, and we're trying to that whole 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.880 leftist way of saying words equal harm, and that's a 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.840 very very dangerous slippery slope. And we don't need to go. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.040 But in the case of anti Semitism, it's a little 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.840 bit more than being rude or taking offense, because centuries 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.520 of anti Semitism led to the murder of six million Jews, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.240 So there is something more behind anti Semitism. 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:28.920 Communism has also led to millions of people being like, 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:29.480 we could. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.520 Like that doesn't That doesn't really tell us anything about 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.120 the Holocaust. The Holocaust happened. We have to be a weird, isn't. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.800 That's the kind of place there are here to deal 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.480 with crimes, actual crimes. 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.800 So so what's happening is the government is simply not 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.160 acting on the laws. It's good. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.960 I'm not a police officer investigating it, but I guarantee 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.000 you if they found the person who put the graffiti 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.560 on the cars or the glass, one hundred percent they'd 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:55.600 be taken a court and tried. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.440 This is very simple, and this is something which the 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.560 right has forgotten in this country, and that there is 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.360 a different between something being morally reprehensible and legally wrong. 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.040 And for over two thousand years now, Western civilization has 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:07.920 come to a conclusion that it is better to have 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.800 morally reprehensible views out in the public domain so you 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.560 can discuss them, so you can debate them as opposed 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:16.000 to putting them into the shadows, because that's where you 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.560 start to get this sort of toxic behavior for men 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.720 in a way which eventually leads to Nazism. And beyond that, 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.720 as you well know, we know, it gets to a 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.000 point where there is a subjective lens where people say 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.680 that something is good and something is bad. We can't 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.880 afford to have that. I hate it. How Chris Men's 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.400 just blanketly says, oh, well, we don't have American style 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:34.440 free speech in this country. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:34.920 Why not. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.280 It's a threat as well, because what he was basically 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:38.080 saying is I know it. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.720 Something is complex as that in five minutes, So you 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.240 keep thinking about it because there's more for us to discuss. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.160 Our Australian economy is worth discussing because our Australian economy 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.880 is a bit sluggish, in fact, it's very sluggish, and 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.760 our productivity is extremely poor. Hence, if there was a 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.880 global trade war, we may well be collateral damage. And 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.840 former Prime Minister John Howard and former Treasurer of Peter 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:06.520 Costello have both challenged Anthony Albanesi on Donald Trump's possible 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:10.760 illegal tariffs. They're saying the tariffs that Donald Trump keeps 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.080 talking about ten to twenty percent, which he says he 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.639 will apply to everyone regardless, including perhaps allies such as Australia, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.760 would be illegal under the two thousand and four a 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.520 free trade agreement which John Howard negotiated with the Americans. 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.639 It's been in place for twenty years. We have a 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:29.880 free trade agreement in place. Would that be violated if 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.119 tariffs are introduced by Donald Trump in the way that 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.920 he's saying you will. Is that something we need to 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:36.639 be worried about. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.480 No, I don't think so. I'm very hesitant to call 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:44.040 out the goat on national television, and Johnny is, of 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:44.680 course the goat. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.080 But I think that can I just explain for old 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.200 viewers he's using goat the way young people do to 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.000 mean greatest of all time. Yeah, so he's using it 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.800 very politely. It's a nice thing to say about John Howard. 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.600 Great God. I thought I should make that thank you, 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.560 not not the animals that mountains. 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.800 But when I think he has misread this slightly and 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.160 that this is not really an economic policy from Trump 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.280 as much as is a bargaining chip, I don't think 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.200 he will ever put tariffs on Australia. My question is 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.000 why aren't our politicians bargaining in the same way that 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.600 someone like Trump does. We have bargaining chips that we 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:20.000 can throw at America. We're the most geopolitically strategically important 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.840 position in the fight against China, which will become more 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.520 and more explosive, I would argue in the next five years. 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.080 That's something the US needs. My question is why and 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.600 our politicians arguing for us in the same way Trump 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.560 is obviously arguing for America's interests. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.800 Because we don't have a Trump. That's why I think 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.200 for too long we haven't put Australia first. Like Trump's 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:43.800 entire election promise was America for the Americans, you know, 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.560 in America first, And this is exactly that and that 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.080 sort of spine and that sort of passion, and that's 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:51.720 sort of I don't care what the rest of the 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:53.600 world thinks. If this is best for my country, this 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:55.280 is what I'm going to do. That's the sort of 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.040 you know, card that our Australian politicians should be reading from. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.600 And I think, you know, I think that when it 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.440 comes to tariffs and it comes to this, if he 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.920 has to do that to make his country first. Good 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.760 on him, and I think we should be doing that. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.680 And sure it might suck for us, but like you said, 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.240 well like why aren't our politicians doing the same for us? 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.440 I think that you know, charity and goodwill and things 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:19.879 come as a result of prosperity. And if your country 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.040 isn't prosperous and your country is, you know, going through 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:24.960 really hard times, if you have to do this to 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.400 get yourself out of there for your nation, then good 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:27.639 for you. 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:30.399 But at the same time, if he brings them in, 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.199 he brings them in, and we need to work out 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.480 whether they go to hurt Australia. The good news is 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.000 that economists due to Sloan had a piece in The 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.680 Australian this morning which was excellent on this topic, and 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.120 basically her argument was don't panic, don't panic too soon. 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.520 Part of what she had to say was this, She said, 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:49.680