WEBVTT - Sharri | 17 February

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening tonight, our exclusive story exposing more doctors and

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<v Speaker 2>healthcare workers who say they don't want to treat Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>patients while others praise hummus. The Bangstown nurses video is

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<v Speaker 2>just the beginning this prejudice in the healthcare system right

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<v Speaker 2>across Sydney and Melbourne. I'll bring you that expose in

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<v Speaker 2>a moment. Plus economists accuse Labor of pressuring the IBA

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of its rates decision tomorrow. Judah Sloan says the

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<v Speaker 2>Albanezy government has sailed very close to interfering in the

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<v Speaker 2>independence of the Reserve Bank. This as Labor has manipulated

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<v Speaker 2>a video of Peter Dutton to make it look like

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<v Speaker 2>he wants to kill off Medicare, when in fact the

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<v Speaker 2>full clip shows him saying the precise opposite, and rogue

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Fatima Payman has come out swinging in defense of

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<v Speaker 2>well you guessed it, the two sacked Sydney nurses. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about those offensive comments with Kelly Sloane later and

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<v Speaker 2>stick around because that big expose is coming up in

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<v Speaker 2>just a minute. But first tonight, the polls are reflecting

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<v Speaker 2>how we're all feeling about Albansi that voters are sick

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<v Speaker 2>of this weak prime minister after just one term. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not that he's quintessentially a bad person. He's just an ineffective,

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<v Speaker 2>insipid prime minister who hasn't shown leadership at a time

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<v Speaker 2>our country desperately needs it. This is very personal to

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<v Speaker 2>alban Ezi. News poll today shows that the majority of

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<v Speaker 2>voters don't believe his government deserves to be re elected.

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<v Speaker 2>His approval rating is at a record low of thirty

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent and his net negative approval rating is at

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<v Speaker 2>the lowest since he became leader, minus twenty one percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Labour's primary vote at an equal record low of thirty

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<v Speaker 2>one percent, while the coalition's primary at thirty eight. On

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<v Speaker 2>a two party preferred basis, it's sitting at fifty one

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<v Speaker 2>to forty nine the coalition's way now. The OS reports

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<v Speaker 2>that this is still half the size of the swing

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<v Speaker 2>the coalition needs to win majority government and this means,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the polls, which aren't always right, that at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, a hung parliament is the most likely outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't forget the US election again. The polls are

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<v Speaker 2>predicting very close outcome between Trump and Kamala Harris, and

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<v Speaker 2>it ended up being a landslide for Trump. In this case,

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<v Speaker 2>the overall sentiment is clear. Fifty three percent of voters

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<v Speaker 2>said it was time for a change of government, and

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<v Speaker 2>this includes in Queensland, Victoria and New South Wales. And

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<v Speaker 2>despite Labor trying to run their tired campaign claiming that

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<v Speaker 2>women don't like Peter Dutton will, the figures show that

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<v Speaker 2>there was little difference among gender lines on the question

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<v Speaker 2>of whether there should be a change of government. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is precisely why Albanezi is desperate for a rate

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<v Speaker 2>cut tomorrow. It's why labor MPs have been openly pressuring

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<v Speaker 2>the RBA, despite the fact it's meant to be independent,

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<v Speaker 2>and despite the fact many economists are worried that the

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<v Speaker 2>RBA will cave into populous pressure in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>sets back the fight against inflation. Labor and ps, though

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<v Speaker 2>showed none of that concern today, publicly mounting the case

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<v Speaker 2>for a cut ahead of tomorrow's meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>They've taughtened their budgets, They've made sacrifices and because of

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<v Speaker 3>that we've got inflation down and that they deserve rate relief.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to cut gear and I want to cut.

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<v Speaker 2>My job is to stand up for my community, and

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<v Speaker 2>we need a cut, preach cheap, cheap, well we all would.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you know, any of us have got a mortgage'.

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<v Speaker 4>Like one, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Many economists argue that while headline inflation is now within

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<v Speaker 2>the RBA's two to three percent target, this is, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because it's been artificially lowered by Labour's energy subsidies.

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<v Speaker 2>And the economists say this is only temporary, and headline

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<v Speaker 2>inflation is expected to rise back above target once the

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<v Speaker 2>subsidies stop. Underlying inflation still remains above three percent. Former

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<v Speaker 2>Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl wrote a sharp and quite

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant piece in The Australian Today where he argues that

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<v Speaker 2>if the RBA cuts rates prematurely when they need to

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<v Speaker 2>be later corrected, then our inflation problem will be worse

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<v Speaker 2>and the credibility of the RBA in tatters. He writes,

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<v Speaker 2>this ugly and sustained public pressure put Bullock in an

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinarily difficult position. To use one of her favorite phrases,

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<v Speaker 2>She's had to tread a narrow path, balancing loyalty to

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<v Speaker 2>her staff and policy principles on the one hand, and

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<v Speaker 2>the need to avoid a public split with the Treasurer

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<v Speaker 2>on the other. He says, at the RBA board meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>Bullock is likely to face her moment of truth. Will

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<v Speaker 2>she do the right thing for the Australian people or

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<v Speaker 2>adopt the line of least political resistance? And Warren Hogan,

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<v Speaker 2>who will be here on the show tomorrow night, after

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<v Speaker 2>we know the outcome of the rates decision, well, he says,

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<v Speaker 2>the RBA definitely shouldn't cut rates. He says our economy

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<v Speaker 2>isn't ready for it, and the case for it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the problem for the market is the market's

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<v Speaker 1>perceiving a many economists that there is a political inference

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<v Speaker 1>here that the pressure's on. And when I said, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying that the government seeing they're telling the RBO

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<v Speaker 1>what to do, but we know there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people in there telling them what to do, who.

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<v Speaker 5>Are ends of the garbment.

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<v Speaker 2>So this rate's decision will be a test for the

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<v Speaker 2>RBA and its independence. It will be a test for

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Bullock and her ability to withstand pressure from Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Chalmer's close friend, the Treasury Secretary, Stephen Kennedy. He has

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<v Speaker 2>a seat on the board and you imagine he'd be

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<v Speaker 2>mounting the case for a rate cut very strongly. Of

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<v Speaker 2>course a cut will be celebrated by families doing it tough,

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<v Speaker 2>who haven't had mortgage relief since November twenty twenty. But

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<v Speaker 2>if the RBA doesn't withstand the political meddling and succumbs

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<v Speaker 2>to the pressure, then the board has to be very

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<v Speaker 2>careful that it doesn't contribute to the inflation crisis. We've

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<v Speaker 2>all been battling, all right, reaction. Now let's bring in

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<v Speaker 2>our political panel, former Chief of Staff to Bill Shott

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<v Speaker 2>and Cameron Milner and former pres Secretary for Scott Morrison

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Caswell. Welcome to you both. Cameron, look the figures

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<v Speaker 2>in newspol today it says they point to a hung parliament.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you think that's where we're headed or do

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<v Speaker 2>you think the polls will be wrong like they were

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<v Speaker 2>with Trump and Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think these numbers are devastating for labor because

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<v Speaker 5>this is the first term government that over half of

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<v Speaker 5>Australia doesn't think deserves to be re elected. That's unheard off, Sharlie,

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<v Speaker 5>unheard off. But as you've been discussing with your viewers,

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<v Speaker 5>and we've been discussing on a weekly basis. This government

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<v Speaker 5>has been our slide for a long time. It's fundamentally

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<v Speaker 5>weakened its position through self indulgence and slackness and laziness

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<v Speaker 5>and ultimately fundamental weakness. Fundamental weakness, and voters don't vote

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<v Speaker 5>for week But come. That's the point before about the RBA.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's a huge political decision for Michelle Bullock

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<v Speaker 5>to make tomorrow. Is this going to be the mates

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<v Speaker 5>rates cut? Because that's the only thing that could possibly

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<v Speaker 5>come out of tomorrow If she bends the political will,

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<v Speaker 5>she's gifting gifting Albow a cheap win.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also not just about the political win, Andrew.

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<v Speaker 2>It means that our inflation fight has the economists say,

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<v Speaker 2>could be set back, that they might have to go

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<v Speaker 2>back into a position where they have to raise rates

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<v Speaker 2>further down the track.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, Cherry, there's so much that hinges on tomorrow's decision.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think two weeks ago you would have been

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<v Speaker 7>a clear cut certainty for a yes to the cut,

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<v Speaker 7>but there's so much uncertainty that's now build into the

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<v Speaker 7>global economy, particularly with Trump's tariffs. They may want to

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<v Speaker 7>keep their powder dry, and that is a massive risk

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<v Speaker 7>for Anthony Albernezi, who has set his agenda based on

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<v Speaker 7>the fact that he is bringing down interest rates, that

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<v Speaker 7>he is bringing down inflation, and that is a massive

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<v Speaker 7>risk for them. So I think this election contest is

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<v Speaker 7>now up for grabs and if the Cut coalition are

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<v Speaker 7>that they are close enough, if they are good enough,

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<v Speaker 7>and it may come down to that fact whether they

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<v Speaker 7>are good enough, whether they are good enough in a

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<v Speaker 7>political context, whether they are good enough in the fight

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<v Speaker 7>that will happen in the next couple of months as

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<v Speaker 7>we wind down to this election. Are they good enough?

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<v Speaker 2>We're about to see And I think, you know, Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton has done an incredible job mounting the case that

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<v Speaker 2>his that if he wins government, it'd be better from

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<v Speaker 2>a national security perspective. But Cameron, we probably need to

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<v Speaker 2>hear more from him about cost of living because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't see Angus Taylor around very much.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, No, Angus is the weak link, isn't he. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>he's the guy who you don't really want in front

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<v Speaker 5>of the microphone. Unfortunately, So Peter's got some got some

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<v Speaker 5>players and his team who aren't pulling their weight, and

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<v Speaker 5>Angus is certainly one of them. But coming back to

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<v Speaker 5>the point before, I mean Albany's only beat Scott Morrison.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean you know, I mean it was a pretty

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<v Speaker 5>pretty basic win and he only beat himy a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of seats. So Dunton's got to have confidence that in

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<v Speaker 5>a real prize fight, Albo has played kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the country country boxing match against the big heavyweight overweight

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<v Speaker 5>guy like it just beat him. You know, reality is

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<v Speaker 5>that Albo only jeats, just beat Scott Morrison. I think

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<v Speaker 5>he's in for a fight of his life against Peter Dubton.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Albert only just pete Scott Morrison. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it was a pretty bad loss for the coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Andrew, you'd concede that they're down to fifty

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<v Speaker 2>eight seats.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, thanks for that hospital past there, Jarry looked. I

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<v Speaker 7>think this is a government that's that had been in

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<v Speaker 7>government for for nine years, so there is a natural

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<v Speaker 7>attrition when that when it comes to that, and it

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<v Speaker 7>was a government that had to fight its way through

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<v Speaker 7>COVID and he's only still barely getting the recognition that

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<v Speaker 7>it deserves for doing that. But I agree with Cameron

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<v Speaker 7>and the point that this is a government that is

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<v Speaker 7>facing a potential wipe out if all things go to

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<v Speaker 7>plan from the coalition side.

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<v Speaker 2>After one term, after three years.

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<v Speaker 7>It hasn't happened exactly years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree with you both. I think the polls

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<v Speaker 2>aren't accurate and I think themim is clearly in Dutton's direction.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the sentiment that that newspert today show that

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<v Speaker 2>majority of people do not think Albanezi deserves a second term.

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<v Speaker 2>That is cemented he is seen as a week leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he is a week leader, people can see who

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<v Speaker 2>he is and they usually get this right. Now, have

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<v Speaker 2>a look at this labour knows it's in trouble and

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<v Speaker 2>so it's already playing, you know, some dirty tactics and

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<v Speaker 2>it's been caught out. The Albanesi government manipulating an old

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<v Speaker 2>video of Peter Dutton from a twenty fourteen press conference

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<v Speaker 2>to make it looks like you want to kill off Medicare.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the ABC report.

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<v Speaker 8>Does Peter Dutton really want to get rid of Medicare?

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<v Speaker 9>That's what this video would have you believe.

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<v Speaker 1>We're very clear about this.

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<v Speaker 10>Medica is dead. They can't be for free. We have

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<v Speaker 10>to pay for a world class medical system. The thing

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<v Speaker 10>is his words have been taken completely out of context,

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<v Speaker 10>but we've found an original version.

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<v Speaker 9>We're very clear about this.

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<v Speaker 10>Medica is dead. We can't make it sustainable today. That

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<v Speaker 10>last bit was pretty important, Cameron.

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<v Speaker 2>I seem to recall that Labor wanted to introduce laws

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<v Speaker 2>against misleading conduct and scare campaigns like this.

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<v Speaker 5>They did. But look, Labour's so desperate. I mean this

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<v Speaker 5>smacks of desperation, that doesn't it. I mean, clipping and

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<v Speaker 5>mashing together some words from ten years ago. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>this is desperate, desperate politics from Labor. And if this

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<v Speaker 5>is the best they've got, we're in for a very

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<v Speaker 5>long campaign. I might add, though, that the people who

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<v Speaker 5>are advising Albo and his campaign were the same ones

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<v Speaker 5>who advised the Yes campaign. So maybe this is about

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<v Speaker 5>as good as they're going to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Andrew, it's actually not just this ad campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've heard Labor ministers on breakfast television in recent

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<v Speaker 2>days saying the same thing that Darton wants to kill

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<v Speaker 2>off many care. I mean it's just false.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, it's a pattern of deception that we're seeing now.

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<v Speaker 7>And look, we shouldn't be surprised. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 7>the party that has pursued electoral victories on the back

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<v Speaker 7>of liars, misinformation and character assassination. They've made an art

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<v Speaker 7>form out of it, so we shouldn't really be surprised here.

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<v Speaker 7>But on the flip side, if I was a play

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<v Speaker 7>Devil's advocate, there is a door that's been opened by

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<v Speaker 7>the Coalition in the way they talk about services. We

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<v Speaker 7>all want smaller governments, we all want less breadth in

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<v Speaker 7>government departments. But having that debate in public is a risk.

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<v Speaker 7>It does open up the Coalition to these types of attacks.

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<v Speaker 7>Now they don't need to go that far, they don't

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<v Speaker 7>need to employ deception. They just need to have that

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<v Speaker 7>natural debate with the Coalition on whether government should be

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<v Speaker 7>bigger or smaller.

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<v Speaker 2>Well as speculation for a hung parliament is heating up,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a tension turning to which way the Tills would

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<v Speaker 2>support if there was a hung parliament. Now. Interestingly, Alegraspender

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<v Speaker 2>came out on the weekend and said she's open to

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<v Speaker 2>working with Peter Dutton have a look.

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<v Speaker 11>I take things on the basis of the arguments and

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<v Speaker 11>on the basis of the evidence and I'm very open

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<v Speaker 11>to working with a coalition government, and I'm open to

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<v Speaker 11>working with the Labor government, but that depends on what

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<v Speaker 11>they're actually going to put on the table and the

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<v Speaker 11>seriousness frankly of what they're putting on the table as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Cameron, isn't this Allegra trying to win support in her

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<v Speaker 2>electorate of Wentworth, which is increasingly turning to Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's trying to say, yep, it's fine to vote

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<v Speaker 2>for her. She might support Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 5>And obviously the cocktails with Albow and Tony Burke didn't

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<v Speaker 5>do much because there she is out supporting potentially Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 5>But the reality is that Allegras must have seen the polling.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, the Liberals are a strong chance of knocking

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<v Speaker 5>her off in Wentworth, strong chances knocking her off. So

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<v Speaker 5>she's desperately, cravingly telling Chial voters that oh it's okay

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<v Speaker 5>because she's really a sly Dutton voter. No, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 5>if voters in Wentworth want Peter Dutton as Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 5>they should vote Liberal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, CARSI I think you know, Allegra might be open

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<v Speaker 2>to supporting Darton, as she says, but you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the other tials and I mean, you think there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way they'd back Peter Duarton in a hung Parliament.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I think for Allegra this is part posturing but also

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<v Speaker 7>part this is naturally where her politics do fit. I

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<v Speaker 7>think she has that ideology that more suits the moderate

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<v Speaker 7>side of the Liberal Party. So I think I think

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<v Speaker 7>would naturally count very moderate, but certainly it would be

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<v Speaker 7>on that side of it, So she would. She would

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<v Speaker 7>also have been in the back of her mind what

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<v Speaker 7>happened to the last two turncoats that turned on their

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<v Speaker 7>Conservative electorates and put Julia Gillard in for another three years.

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<v Speaker 7>They would toast when the electorate got their baseball bats

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<v Speaker 7>and taught them lesson. So I think that is in

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<v Speaker 7>the back of their mind. The Jewish community would also

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<v Speaker 7>be in the back of their mind. Would Jewish Australians,

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<v Speaker 7>many of whom live in that electorate, want Albernezi for

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<v Speaker 7>another three years? I strongly doubt that.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, and I would say most of the Jewish community

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<v Speaker 2>would be voting Liberal this election. Single issue voters, there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing more important than the safety of your children and grandchildren. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>before we go, I want to ask you about this

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<v Speaker 2>horrific story. Today, a Jewish business in Melbourne became the

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<v Speaker 2>latest target in this anti Semitism crisis. Andy Semite spray

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<v Speaker 2>painted the words gas the Jews and a swastika on

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<v Speaker 2>this store in Melbourne. Remember they said, oh, the protesters

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<v Speaker 2>never said gas the Jews. They said, where's the Jews?

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's here in black and white. Now. What's so

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<v Speaker 2>sad about this is that the founders of this company

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<v Speaker 2>where it was spray painted were Holocaust survivors and their grandson,

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<v Speaker 2>j Huda Gottlieb told Sky News Digital Today that his

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<v Speaker 2>grandparents actually escaped Europe and came to Australia looking for

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<v Speaker 2>a better life and to have those words written on

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<v Speaker 2>their business, which is what they would have experienced in

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<v Speaker 2>Europe more than eighty years ago, and why they fled

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<v Speaker 2>Europe and why their families were persecuted. He says, it's

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<v Speaker 2>quite shocking in something they never would have thought that

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<v Speaker 2>experience in Australia. Cameron, this is Melbourne, Oh it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just terrible.

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<v Speaker 5>And I grew up there and it's just awful, awful

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<v Speaker 5>to see my old home city with such disgusting hate

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<v Speaker 5>disgusting hate Sharhi. But look it's happening on Albanese's watch.

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<v Speaker 5>This hasn't happened before in Australia. It's happened because of

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<v Speaker 5>Albanize's weakness and acquiescence, acquiescence on the issue of anti

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<v Speaker 5>Semitism driven by some of his highest profile ministers as well.

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<v Speaker 5>That's unfortunately the price we're paying as a community for

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<v Speaker 5>his weakness.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, all right, Cameron Milner Andrew Caswell, thank you both

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<v Speaker 2>very much for your time. All right now to our

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<v Speaker 2>big exclusive story. The Bangstown nurses video shocked us all

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<v Speaker 2>but it turns out it's just the tip of the iceberg.

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<v Speaker 2>We can tonight further expose a toxic and racist culture

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<v Speaker 2>in the Australian health sector, with shocking cases of doctors

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<v Speaker 2>praising her mus, saying Zionists should be destroyed, and one

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<v Speaker 2>doctor even said she doesn't want to treat Jews and

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<v Speaker 2>they're all still registered health professionals holding down jobs. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish doctors claim prejudice against them is systemic in the

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<v Speaker 2>health system, and more than two hundred and sixty wrote

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<v Speaker 2>to Health Minister Mark Butler get this. On the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>sixth of October twenty twenty three to raise the alarm,

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<v Speaker 2>but nothing was done. Their letter to the Federal Minister

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<v Speaker 2>asked him to instruct APRAA and the Australian Medical Council

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<v Speaker 2>to investigate specific instances of antisemitism, and this is what

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<v Speaker 2>their later said. They said, it is entirely unacceptable for

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<v Speaker 2>any medical professional to use their platform to spread discriminatory

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<v Speaker 2>or hateful remarks, especially in a divisive manner, and they

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<v Speaker 2>attached a dossier with the defenders. Now remember they wrote

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<v Speaker 2>this two weeks after October seven, and they also asked

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Butler to send a reminder to all medical professionals

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<v Speaker 2>around the country that hate speech violates the core principles

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<v Speaker 2>of healthcare. No action appears to have been taken, and

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<v Speaker 2>so the antisemitism has continued and Jewish patients were left vulnerable. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>In one of the most abhorrent examples, doctor Mohammad Ghilan

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<v Speaker 2>shared a post on social media saying and we'll show

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<v Speaker 2>it to you now, live like Sinhwa or die trying.

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<v Speaker 2>Another post of his shows the slain Hamas leader ya

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<v Speaker 2>Ya Sinwa saying humiliation will never be for us. Yet

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<v Speaker 2>another post says I am Harmas they are Hermas. We

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<v Speaker 2>are all Hermas.

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<v Speaker 6>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>This doctor was working at the Alfred Hospital in Corfield,

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne until just three months ago. Three months ago Cawfield

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<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne, very Jewish area. Now Alfred Health told me

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<v Speaker 2>this evening and I'm quoting. Concerns about the doctor's online

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<v Speaker 2>activity were raised with us in November last year. He

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<v Speaker 2>was suspended from work and a workplace investigation into the

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<v Speaker 2>allegations commenced. Doctor Gilian resigned from our health service while

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<v Speaker 2>the investigation was still in progress, and the concerns raised

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<v Speaker 2>with Alfred Health were reported to both OPRAH and Victoria

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<v Speaker 2>Police at the time, so he wasn't even sacked, he

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<v Speaker 2>resigned and he remains a registered medical practitioner. Then there's

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<v Speaker 2>a doctor who's worked as a staff specialist at Bankstown Hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me repeat that again. This is a different

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<v Speaker 2>doctor who's worked as a specialist at Bankstown Hospital and

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<v Speaker 2>one of her social media posts says, I'm quoting now

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<v Speaker 2>what does hamas mean in Arabic enthusiasm, fire, intense interest

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<v Speaker 2>and heartiness. Now. She also shared a post written by

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<v Speaker 2>someone else that says, don't give Zionists an inch. These

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<v Speaker 2>are people manufacturing an antisemitism crisis to defend mass murder

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<v Speaker 2>and settler colonialism. Stay Laser focused on ending the Holocaust

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<v Speaker 2>in Palestine and dismantling the Zionist entity in its entirety.

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<v Speaker 2>So posts shared by another specialist at Bankstown Hospital, another

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<v Speaker 2>Western Sydney Local Health District junior medical officer. He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>in a post that every Zionist young to old is

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<v Speaker 2>a psychotic maniac. In another, he said anti Semitism is

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<v Speaker 2>just a weaponized cop out to protect this criminal entity,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Zionism and all it's and he also re

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<v Speaker 2>shared a post that said Zionists need to be defeated,

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<v Speaker 2>crushed and utterly removed from power. He wrote, and I'm quoting,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no such thing as a good Zionist, a

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<v Speaker 2>salvagible Zionist, any supporter of Israel is a rotten human.

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<v Speaker 2>If nobody had any sympathy for the Nazis, nobody should

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<v Speaker 2>have any sympathy for any of these people. A junior

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<v Speaker 2>doctor working in Western Sydney. Now, one of the worst

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<v Speaker 2>examples I've seen is of another Western Sydney doctor, and

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<v Speaker 2>she wrote on Twitter, I've even become fearful when I

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<v Speaker 2>see new patients with Jewish names book in with me,

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<v Speaker 2>so she doesn't want to see new patients who are

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish if she's become fearful of seeing Jews, of treating Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, can you imagine how Jewish patients would feel

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<v Speaker 2>ending up with her as a doctor. Not to mention

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish colleagues and one long term New South Wales health

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<v Speaker 2>employee she's worked in Bankstown. She told me she's experienced

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<v Speaker 2>both explicit and implicit anti Semitism. She's chosen to remain

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<v Speaker 2>anonymous and I wouldn't even if she wanted to give

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<v Speaker 2>me her name, I wouldn't broadcast it to protect her career.

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<v Speaker 2>In one instance, a manager, this is from this woman

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to today, she said. In one instance, a

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<v Speaker 2>manager described someone as he's such an effing Jew. In

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<v Speaker 2>another incident, a colleague said to her, there will be

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<v Speaker 2>peace between Palestinians and Israelis when one side puts down

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<v Speaker 2>their arms, and that side should be Israel. So he

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<v Speaker 2>was implying that Israel should be wiped out. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>so prolific has the anti Zionist and anti Jewish movement

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<v Speaker 2>been in the health sector that an Instagram account exposing

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<v Speaker 2>it has now been set up. It's called not my doctor.

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<v Speaker 12>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>We put some of these examples that are there in

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<v Speaker 2>black and white the social media posts to New South

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<v Speaker 2>Wales Health this afternoon and the Secretary Susan Pierce told

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<v Speaker 2>us that her department is committed to combating anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 2>and hate in all its forms. But nothing at all

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<v Speaker 2>about whether the specific doctors we've shown you tonight, and

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<v Speaker 2>we gave her the names of them, nothing about whether

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be investigated. Susan Pierce and the New Southwes Health

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Ryan Park acted strongly when the banks Down nurse

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<v Speaker 2>scandal emerged last week, and I think they now need

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<v Speaker 2>to set up an inquiry. I mean, if I have

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<v Speaker 2>been inundated with these examples in a few days, well

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<v Speaker 2>imagine if they opened a hotline called for these incidents

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<v Speaker 2>to be sent in and properly investigated. The authorities now

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<v Speaker 2>can't just turn a blind eye to this. Patient care

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be the same for all ethnicities and religious backgrounds,

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<v Speaker 2>and every incident of discrimination in healthcare needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>stamped out.

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<v Speaker 12>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to talk about that with Shadow Health Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly Sloan later in the show. It is absolutely shocking

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<v Speaker 2>and by the way, if you have experienced, if you

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<v Speaker 2>know of other examples, please send them into me because

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to stop looking at this. It's important.

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<v Speaker 2>But now let's return to newspoll and if you're just

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<v Speaker 2>tuning in. Although Dutton has put the coalition within striking

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<v Speaker 2>distance of the government, according to the News poll today,

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<v Speaker 2>a hung parliament is the most likely outcome if you

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<v Speaker 2>believe the polls. Let's bring in The Australian's chief political correspondent,

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Chambers. Jeff, great to see you. Look, what's your

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<v Speaker 2>analysis of this latest News poll, especially talking to the

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<v Speaker 2>point that it shows the majority of voters in Queensland, Victoria,

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales and now think that Albinizi doesn't deserve

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<v Speaker 2>another term.

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<v Speaker 9>Hi, Sharry, These numbers are absolutely shocking for Anthony Albernez.

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<v Speaker 9>His personal ratings are now at record lows. And I

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<v Speaker 9>think what's going to be hard for polsters, as we

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<v Speaker 9>had probably within weeks to an election, is to really

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<v Speaker 9>determine that undercurrent. So you were talking about the US

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<v Speaker 9>election a bit earlier, and you don't always pick up

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<v Speaker 9>just how angry the mob is in certain regions, certain

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<v Speaker 9>key electorates and while an incumbent first term government would

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<v Speaker 9>expect the polls to tighten as we head towards election day,

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<v Speaker 9>I think there are fears inside labor ranks that they

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<v Speaker 9>are static and that they could potentially go backwards. On

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<v Speaker 9>the other side of it, I think that Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 9>is obviously still in minus territory around his performance, but

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<v Speaker 9>we've seen him getting out and about a lot recent

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<v Speaker 9>times to try and build that profile and connect with voters.

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<v Speaker 9>And as we head to election day, I think it'll

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<v Speaker 9>come down to a choice really between two leaders and

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<v Speaker 9>then that awful preferential system that we have in this

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<v Speaker 9>country that really does favor one side, and you now

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<v Speaker 9>throw the climate two hundred and the teals into the

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<v Speaker 9>mix and it makes it really difficult for Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 9>So I think the coalition we're really hoping to sort

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<v Speaker 9>of push that primary vote up into the mid early

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<v Speaker 9>to mids forty percent primary vote.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it has to hit at least forty

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<v Speaker 2>one for him to have a chance of winning.

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<v Speaker 13>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff, you know you just mentioned there that there are

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<v Speaker 2>certain regions that the News poll might not pick up

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<v Speaker 2>on where you know there might be really angry voter sentiment. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw the Prime Minister being heckled by anti offshow

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 2>wind farm protesters at a media conference in the Illawarra.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's a Labor strong This was on Friday. Have

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<v Speaker 2>a look, yeah, Jeff, and we could see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more of that in the election campaign. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an example of what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 9>Sorry, Shary, I think I've lost the audio feed here,

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<v Speaker 9>so I might need to get that fixed.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry about that, No worries. Can you hear me now?

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<v Speaker 2>Or have you lost me entirely? I think Jeff has

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<v Speaker 2>lost me entirely. Oh good, we'll get his analysis a

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<v Speaker 2>bit later. We're still to come on the show. Judith

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Sloan says Labor is sailing very close to interfering in

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<v Speaker 2>the independence of the Reserve Bank. Her analysis coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>plus the move by Islamic leaders to blame the media

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<v Speaker 2>and even Jews for the backlash to the nurse's video.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk about that with Kelly Sloan after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back. Well today, the Muslim vote independence, the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>Federation of Islamic Councils and the Islamic Councils of Victoria

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<v Speaker 2>and Western Australia have among others, signed a statement that

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<v Speaker 2>condemns the hypocrisy over nurses controversy. And as you might

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<v Speaker 2>have seen by now, the rogue Senator Fadima Payman defended

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<v Speaker 2>the nurses. Have a look.

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<v Speaker 14>These individuals have been fired, banned from ever working as

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<v Speaker 14>nurses again, raided by police, placed under the most intense

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<v Speaker 14>public scrutiny, and now the ones being hospitalized, they've apologized, they.

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<v Speaker 12>Have been punished.

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<v Speaker 2>What is the end goal here?

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<v Speaker 12>What exactly are we trying to achieve justice or just

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:02.959
<v Speaker 12>public cafe humiliation. We never see the same level of

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<v Speaker 12>anger and vitriol when the roles are reversed, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Says, you never see the same level of public ango

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<v Speaker 2>when the roles are reversed. But that's because the roles

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 2>are never reversed. And when she says this is just

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<v Speaker 2>a comment, well that's trivializing or dismissing hate speech. She's

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<v Speaker 2>implying it's not worthy of public outrage. And Fatima Payman

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<v Speaker 2>says everyone should move on now because these nurses have

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<v Speaker 2>been punished, but actually they haven't. No charges have been laid.

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<v Speaker 2>We're waiting for new Southewlless police or the AFP to

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<v Speaker 2>get their act together, all right, Johnny Minow Shadow New

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<v Speaker 2>Southew was Health Minister Kelly Sloane. Kelly, thank you very

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<v Speaker 2>much for your time and your work on this issue. Firstly,

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<v Speaker 2>what's your reaction to this story that Alexi Demitriadez wrote

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<v Speaker 2>in The Australian about the Islamic leaders coming out in

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of defense of.

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<v Speaker 6>This video is deeply concerning and quite frankly, really troubling statement.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, what we need right now is leadership, moral conviction,

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 6>empathy and understanding, and instead we have hate, we have

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:14.280
<v Speaker 6>victim blaming, and we have some sort of bizarre conspiracy

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<v Speaker 6>that this is a political movement that we are confecting

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<v Speaker 6>outrage and that's quite frankly absurd, because the concern about

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<v Speaker 6>what happened last week by those nurses was real and understandably.

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<v Speaker 6>What they have done is undermine the integrity of our

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<v Speaker 6>health system. They have undermined their colleagues and they have

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<v Speaker 6>made patients feel scared and we need to get to

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<v Speaker 6>the bottom of that, and we cannot do that by

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<v Speaker 6>dismissing it, by hoping it will be that we can

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<v Speaker 6>move on as Senator Payment said, we can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to shine a light on this. I think

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<v Speaker 2>adding to this concern will be some of the examples

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<v Speaker 2>that I've reported on air tonight where doctors still practicing

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<v Speaker 2>in Western Sydney say, you know, they don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>see Jewish names on their page patient list new patients.

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<v Speaker 2>Other doctors who are openly supporting hermas the case in

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<v Speaker 2>Victoria as well, a doctor who has stood down while

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<v Speaker 2>his comments were being investigated, again openly supporting harmus in.

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<v Speaker 2>This appears to be a widespread issue.

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<v Speaker 6>It feels systematic, and that is what the doctors are

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<v Speaker 6>telling us. I mean, that list that you revealed is

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<v Speaker 6>so deeply shocking and unfortunately I've had similar stories since

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<v Speaker 6>last week, doctors, nurses, other medical staff talking to me

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<v Speaker 6>about what they are experiencing in the workplace, having to

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<v Speaker 6>hide their Jewish identity, being cut out of WhatsApp groups,

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<v Speaker 6>but even worse, being targeted with hate speech. I spoke

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<v Speaker 6>to an anithetus today from Melbourne who told me about

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<v Speaker 6>a patient, a Jewish patient, very sick in hospital. The

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 6>family comes to visit and there are stickers behind his

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 6>hospital bed saying boycott Israel and Free Palestine. I've seen

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<v Speaker 6>those stickers. I mean, it is shocking to see that

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<v Speaker 6>that is happening. And you know, we should have known

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<v Speaker 6>about this earlier, and indeed the alarm bells were ringing earlier.

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<v Speaker 6>And if there is any good that has come from

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<v Speaker 6>last week, it is that we are listening. Now, we're listening,

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<v Speaker 6>and we must act.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're listening. But I'm worried about what action APRA

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<v Speaker 2>has taken because you know, a lot of people are saying,

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<v Speaker 2>or not a lot, but we have heard of many

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<v Speaker 2>people who are saying that they have complained about this

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<v Speaker 2>to OPRA and were disappointed with no action. Midwife Sharon Staalia,

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<v Speaker 2>she was here on Thursday night and she complained to

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<v Speaker 2>APRA but ended up being investigated herself. Here she was

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<v Speaker 2>so you were also writing about the fact that there

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<v Speaker 2>were nurses and midwives in their new southe I was

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<v Speaker 2>health uniforms, chanting hateful slogans. Yes, yet you found yourself

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<v Speaker 2>under investigation. What happened?

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<v Speaker 14>So because I was so outspoken about that, OPRAH started

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<v Speaker 14>receiving a lot of complaints about me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's just so worrying. Kelly. Do you what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think needs to happen when it comes to OPERA.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean, first of all, if that is true,

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<v Speaker 6>and I've spoken to Sharon as well. She's a very brave,

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 6>conviction led woman who is campaigning for others, and if

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 6>her story is true, then that says a lot about

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<v Speaker 6>APRA that complaints should not be weaponized against the complainant.

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<v Speaker 6>I have spoken to many doctors in the past few

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<v Speaker 6>days who have concerns about OPRA. There is even would

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<v Speaker 6>you believe a conference that will be held in Sydney

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<v Speaker 6>in May at a major hotel about OPRA and the

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 6>concerns people have about OPERA. So it would suggest to

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<v Speaker 6>me that at a minimum they have a reputation of

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<v Speaker 6>issue and perhaps the minister should be looking at that.

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<v Speaker 2>As in the federal minister Mark Butler.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Mark Butler should be looking at that. I you know,

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.799
<v Speaker 6>he would need to examine that. But if you have

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 6>doctors and a trust deficit in a regulatory body, it should.

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<v Speaker 2>Be looked at.

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<v Speaker 6>The cleared or action taken.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just over all, I mean you mentioned before, like

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.760
<v Speaker 2>I did, that you've been in undated with people since

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>this bankstyle nurses video story came to light. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what's your concern? And I think Ryan Park handled this

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<v Speaker 2>very well on the day. Do you think there needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be a broader inquiry?

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<v Speaker 8>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you like my idea of a hotline? What do

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 2>you think needs to happen?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, So the Health Minister and the Head of Health

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<v Speaker 6>on the day acted very swiftly. So I congratulate them

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 6>for that swift action, for making sure that the police

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:38.720
<v Speaker 6>were involved immediately, and they have been keeping me abreast

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 6>of the situation. But what I am calling for, and

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<v Speaker 6>I've written a letter to Ryan Park, is that we need,

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<v Speaker 6>first of all, a full examination of patient records, which

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 6>they have begun. But I want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 6>that is independent and doesn't just go back twelve months,

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 6>but it goes back to at least October twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to see a full review of workplace culture,

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<v Speaker 6>a sharing of rules which I haven't seen yet about

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<v Speaker 6>what is appropriate and what is not in the workplace.

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<v Speaker 6>Because it is very clear that politics is creeping into

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<v Speaker 6>the workplace in quite actually quite a pronounced way. There

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:18.280
<v Speaker 6>should be some sort of whistleblower mechanism. Hotline, as you suggest,

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<v Speaker 6>is the first place, because if you are experiencing this

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:24.040
<v Speaker 6>in the workplace, whether it's anti Semitism or some other

0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 6>form of racism or Islamophobia, you should be able to

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 6>air those concerns without the fear of repercussions. And what

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<v Speaker 6>I'm hearing from Jewish doctors and medical professionals is that

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<v Speaker 6>they are too scared to speak up because there is

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<v Speaker 6>a attribution, because of retribution, and that is not good enough.

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 6>There needs to be a mechanism where they can pick

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<v Speaker 6>up a lot, you pick up a phone and call

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<v Speaker 6>someone without that fear of retribution. We cannot be afraid

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 6>of shining a light on this issue because we're scared

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 6>of what we're going to find.

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<v Speaker 2>Well set, Well set, Kelly soon, Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>for being here. Thanks Sharry. All right, and just before

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<v Speaker 2>we go to the break, I want to update you

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<v Speaker 2>about two more speakers for our Sky News Antisemitism Summit

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday, and I'm delighted to say that former Treasurer

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Friedenberg and the Federal Court judge Justice Michael Lee

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<v Speaker 2>will be magnificent additions to our summit. And as you

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<v Speaker 2>may have read, Josh has just announced the launch of

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 2>a new not for profit organization, The Door Foundation to

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>address antisemitism in education and justice. Michael Lee and Friedenberg

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 2>will join Peter Dutton, Chris Mins, John Howard, Gillian Siegel,

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Mark Drefers, Mike Bizulo, the Israeli Ambassador, Emir Maimon and more.

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<v Speaker 14>So.

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<v Speaker 2>You can watch it on the Sky News Election Channel

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<v Speaker 2>Live one o'clock on Thursday, or at our website sky

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.919
<v Speaker 2>News dot com dot au. All right, still to come.

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:52.839
<v Speaker 2>Trump prepares to declassify top secret intelligence on JFK's assassination.

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I talk about that with Koshagada plus. Judah Sloan is

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<v Speaker 2>concerned the RBA is being pressured by politicians to cut rates.

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<v Speaker 2>She'll join me after this quick break. Welcome back. Well tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest story is going to be whether the RBA

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<v Speaker 2>cuts rates, and the market consensus is that the Reserve

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<v Speaker 2>Bank will cut the interest rate by twenty five basis points.

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<v Speaker 2>That would bring it down to four point one percent.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be if they cut it'd be the first

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<v Speaker 2>time they've slashed the cash rate in five years. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring in now the Australians contributing Economics editor Judith Sloan. Judith,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for your time. Now do you

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<v Speaker 2>think there is a strong case for the RBA to

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<v Speaker 2>cut rates tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Charie, it's a case of will lay or should they?

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm going to answer that should they, I think

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 4>the answer is no. I think there is a case,

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<v Speaker 4>but there's not a strong case. And after all, it's

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 4>only five six more weeks before they meet again, and

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:08.520
<v Speaker 4>I think the cautious approach would be to watch, for example,

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<v Speaker 4>on their criteria, which is about the trimmed mean of

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:17.480
<v Speaker 4>the CPI, it is not currently within their target band,

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 4>so the target band is two to three percent. It

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 4>is only slightly above that target band, and it is

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 4>probably heading into that target band. But it seems to

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:31.280
<v Speaker 4>me that there is so much political pressure on them

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:35.000
<v Speaker 4>and indeed also the market at i e. The young

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 4>bond traders have decided to will it that I think

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 4>they probably will cut tomorrow. But as you said, Shari,

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<v Speaker 4>by twenty five basis points.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an interesting story in the finn Review that

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<v Speaker 2>one of the friends of one of the IBA board members,

0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:56.480
<v Speaker 2>of Stephen Kennedy, I should say, is the Treasury Secretary,

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<v Speaker 2>that one of his friends at the last rates meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>or ahead of the last rates meeting, asked the Finn

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<v Speaker 2>Review to publish his opinion piece arguing for a rate

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 2>cut on the day of the rates decision. The Finn

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 2>refused to do that. They published it the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>But does this show you the sort of games and

0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 2>political meddling that's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it was a very interesting article by Michael Reid,

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<v Speaker 4>and he had some good sources there. I thought, So,

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<v Speaker 4>I think you'll hear the Prime Minister and the Treasurer say,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, with respect, you know, we understand that the

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 4>Reserve Bank is independent, blah blah blah, right, which of

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:44.439
<v Speaker 4>course is a form of jaw bony. But another way

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.799
<v Speaker 4>to get the message out is to get your sort

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:52.959
<v Speaker 4>of mysteries, your friendlier mysteries to also put the message out.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, there are a number of economis. For example,

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<v Speaker 4>last year we had Wayne swam breaking into the press

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<v Speaker 4>and telling us what we should do. So I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's a rather unfortunate arrangement, to tell you the true shower.

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<v Speaker 4>You either have an independent Reserve Bank that's allowed to

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<v Speaker 4>get on with the job and be seen to allow

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<v Speaker 4>I've been allowed to get onto the job, or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you have this sort of meddling what I'd called meddling.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it does seem like it could be meddling. How

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<v Speaker 2>do you think Michelle Bullock would withstand this pressure pressure?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's been quite impressive so far. She's been

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely great.

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<v Speaker 4>I think she is perhaps less malleable than they thought

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<v Speaker 4>when she was appointed. And I absolutely love the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that an hour after the decision is made public, she

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<v Speaker 4>very openly conducts a press conference and takes a large

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<v Speaker 4>number of questions. Like most politicians, she doesn't actually not

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<v Speaker 4>answer the question. She does try to answer the question.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think she's been great. But bear in mind

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<v Speaker 4>it's not just the governor who makes this decision.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the board.

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<v Speaker 4>This is actually the old board, and that does include

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<v Speaker 4>the Treasury Secretary, so she has a vote. There are

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<v Speaker 4>other Reserve Bank people on the board. But I think

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<v Speaker 4>she's been great, And I think to what Shari tomorrow

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<v Speaker 4>is not just the decision but also the narrative around it,

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<v Speaker 4>because normally when Central Bank starts to cut interest rates,

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<v Speaker 4>it's the start of a cutting season, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 4>Whereas I think there is a bet where they'll say, look,

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<v Speaker 4>we've been prepared to cut this time, but we're not

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<v Speaker 4>making any promises about a series of cuts through the year.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a very different scenario to the normal process whereby yes,

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.799
<v Speaker 4>we think we've got inflation lecked and we'll have a

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<v Speaker 4>series of cuts through the year.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be interesting to see or if we'll even find

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<v Speaker 2>out whether the board decision is unanimous tomorrow or whether

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<v Speaker 2>there is a split in a difference of opinion. Just

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<v Speaker 2>before you go quickly, I just want to ask you.

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<v Speaker 4>Now on that, Charie. We won't know that because that

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<v Speaker 4>will be the process under the new board. I think

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<v Speaker 4>we will have some transparency about the voting, but tomorrow

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<v Speaker 4>is the last meeting of the old constituted boards, so

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<v Speaker 4>it's the sort of normal confidentiality of the voting.

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<v Speaker 2>Just very quickly because we've got to go. Would you

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<v Speaker 2>say the political meddling by the Albanese government at this

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<v Speaker 2>point is interference? Is it interfering with the independence?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's been very unfortunate, and I think that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they have a legislation under which they act.

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<v Speaker 2>They should be allowed to.

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<v Speaker 4>Get on with the fulfilling the tasks that are given

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<v Speaker 4>to them. So I think it is unfortunate. But you know,

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<v Speaker 4>bear in mind it's not the first government to have

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<v Speaker 4>done this and sadly will not be the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, all right, Judi Sloane really appreciate your analysis. As

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<v Speaker 2>always still to come, Trump prepares to declassify top secret intelligence.

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll speak about this with Koshergata after this break. Or

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is preparing to declassify top secret intelligence about

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<v Speaker 2>some of the mysteries we've always wanted to know. Annapaulina

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<v Speaker 2>Luna is leading this declassification effort. Here she is apologies

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<v Speaker 2>we had no volume on that, but she spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to declassify intelligence on jfk assassination, the origins of

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<v Speaker 2>COVID nineteen UFOs, which they now call UAPs. Let's bring

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<v Speaker 2>in to discuss sky News contributed to Karyshagata Kosha. This

0:45:02.880 --> 0:45:06.920
<v Speaker 2>would be incredible. But you, oh, another thing she mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>was the client list of Jeffrey Eppstate. So you think

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be heavy backlash to this. Perhaps some

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 2>agencies like the CIA might appose it as well, But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all for it. What do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 13>Yes, will certainly be backlash for it, as there are

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<v Speaker 13>with all these things that Trump is trying and the

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:29.800
<v Speaker 13>promises he made in the campaign that he's attempting to fulfill.

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<v Speaker 13>And the big picture here, the reason why this is

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<v Speaker 13>so important is the d class system or the classification

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.759
<v Speaker 13>system is really broken and many people have felt this

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 13>for a long time in America, where number one, all

0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 13>sorts of things remain classified and shrouded under cloak and

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 13>dagger mystery for years and decades after they happened, even

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.719
<v Speaker 13>though they do serve great public interest. And on the

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<v Speaker 13>other side, there's all sorts of people who get access

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<v Speaker 13>to two classified materials even if they don't really have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Need to know.

0:45:58.239 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 13>And you see this with people who stepped out of

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<v Speaker 13>public officer who are retired and all of that. And

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 13>the outcome of this is that it's just leading to

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<v Speaker 13>more and more distrust in institutions, which we know are

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<v Speaker 13>at an all time low right now. So this is

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<v Speaker 13>one measure in that where Trump does have the power

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<v Speaker 13>to declassify it as unilaterally presidential power in our system.

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:15.839
<v Speaker 2>So he's done that.

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<v Speaker 13>And what Annapolina Luna is doing is from the congressional side,

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<v Speaker 13>there's a role to play to further disseminate it, codify

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<v Speaker 13>that and it'll be interesting to see what these things are.

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<v Speaker 13>The Epstein list in particular is going to get a

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<v Speaker 13>lot of pushback because there are some very high profile

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<v Speaker 13>names as we know and expect to be involved in there.

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<v Speaker 13>So we shall see how quickly they get this done.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you think of something like JFK's assassination and

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<v Speaker 2>you think, after all this time, what is the reason

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<v Speaker 2>not to make public the intelligence? You know, there's just

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<v Speaker 2>saying with UFOs, why shouldn't the public know what intelligence

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.720
<v Speaker 2>the American government has on it? And it's probably about

0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:54.800
<v Speaker 2>time some of that was released and there was transparency

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<v Speaker 2>around it. I just want to talk to you, coach.

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<v Speaker 2>You're about President jd Vance's controversial speech to the European

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>ladas on the wakend. Have a look.

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<v Speaker 8>The threat that I worry the most about visav Europe

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<v Speaker 8>is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any other

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<v Speaker 8>external actor. And what I worry about is the threat

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<v Speaker 8>from within the retreat of Europe from some of its

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<v Speaker 8>most fundamental values, values shared with the United States of

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<v Speaker 8>America and Britain and across Europe. Free speech. I fear

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<v Speaker 8>is in retreat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, Kosha, this went down very badly with the

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:36.240
<v Speaker 2>European ladies.

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<v Speaker 13>It sure did He was very blunt and is again

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<v Speaker 13>speaking from the pulpit of what the Trump administration is

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<v Speaker 13>all about and what his entire political career really for

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 13>the last decade has been about, which is first of all,

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 13>cutting back on this premise that's seventy five years after

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<v Speaker 13>World War Two, the US still has to be a

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<v Speaker 13>guaranteur of security to the level that it is around

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<v Speaker 13>the world. That has been an orthodoxy shared by both

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:05.440
<v Speaker 13>parties across the Atlantic for a very long time. So

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 13>shadowing that will not be easy, but that is his view.

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:11.480
<v Speaker 13>And then secondly, this principle that if we are allies

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<v Speaker 13>as we are, and we do share in this alliance

0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:17.320
<v Speaker 13>to defend democracy, which has become sort of a catchphrase, almost,

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.879
<v Speaker 13>what is it that we're actually defending when there are

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.360
<v Speaker 13>threats to free speech, when there is so much migration

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:24.799
<v Speaker 13>was another topic he touched on, so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 13>So he was laying that bear in a friendly way,

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<v Speaker 13>but I would say in a very blunt, constructive criticism way.

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:32.800
<v Speaker 13>And it's so it's not surprising that the leaders didn't

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:35.319
<v Speaker 13>like it. But the people, I think probably do see

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<v Speaker 13>some common cause in.

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<v Speaker 2>What he's talking about. Yeah, Oh, the leaders certainly didn't

0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 2>think it was a friendly manner at all. They sat

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 2>there shocked and tweeting right the way through his speech,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just very quickly Hamas released three hostages on

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend, not all of the remaining captives, despite President

0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Trump ordering them to do so. Now what happens now, kosher,

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<v Speaker 2>because we've got thirty seconds. But basically Trump has said

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<v Speaker 2>he'll support is Radio Prime Minister Benjamin Nett and Yahoo

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:07.440
<v Speaker 2>if he does want to go back into Gaza. Twenty seconds.

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<v Speaker 13>Yes, I think he will do that and sort of

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<v Speaker 13>allow President and Yahoo to defend his sovereignty. And I think,

0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:17.840
<v Speaker 13>you know, he might always throw in some interesting jives

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:20.600
<v Speaker 13>to keep them on their feet until the story is ended.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The question is, of course, whether it's the right

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<v Speaker 2>time for NED and Yaho to do so, because out

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<v Speaker 2>of the seventy three remaining hostages, Israel believes around thirty

0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 2>three are still alive. So perhaps they'd want to get

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<v Speaker 2>those living hostages out before they go back into Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>and kill the rest of the Hamas terrorists. All right, Koshagada,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your time. I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>And right now, Paul Murray