Speaker 1: O get a team. It's you project. Probably no surprise
Speaker 1: when I say that, because every time you turn into
Speaker 1: the you project and here my voice, probably think to
Speaker 1: yourself self, it's probably gonna be the you project, And
Speaker 1: fucking fuck here it is the project that's you. Tiffany
Speaker 1: and cook is often here. Today is no exception. She's
Speaker 1: been eating her namesake with gay abandoned gay abandon not
Speaker 1: with a D on the end, how's the cookie saga continuing?
Speaker 2: So good? Mate, so good?
Speaker 3: Because be not an honorable mention last night at your
Speaker 3: at your gig and implanted them into my mind and
Speaker 3: I the sun was out today and I thought, what
Speaker 3: a beautiful day. Couldn't get better than this? Oh, it
Speaker 3: could get a little bit better than this, And so
Speaker 3: I toddled up for a morning tea cookie. It got better.
Speaker 1: I reckon the do you reckon the joy? And you
Speaker 1: know the dopamine and all the great things that those
Speaker 1: cookies do for you off set the sugar.
Speaker 3: Have I ever had any cookie remorse?
Speaker 2: Ever?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not talking about your emotional state or your
Speaker 1: sociopathy around cookies. I'm talking about the net benefit. Do
Speaker 1: you think that overall there's a net benefit for you.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: Wow, you should do like a twenty eight day cookie trial.
Speaker 1: Just have three cookies a day, nothing else. I like that.
Speaker 3: Did you ever see that hit me out of the
Speaker 3: healthy range of cookies?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a show. Hello doctor Denise. We should
Speaker 1: probably say hello, how are you?
Speaker 2: No, I'm really intrigued, like, what are these cookies? I'm good,
Speaker 2: I'm good, But tell me about the cookies. For those
Speaker 2: that don't know, including me, you're the only.
Speaker 1: One that doesn't know she talks about these. You're the
Speaker 1: only one that doesn't know she talks about them all
Speaker 1: the time. But do tell doctor Denise. No, I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's a few people.
Speaker 3: There's a cookie shop up the road for me. And
Speaker 3: they are life changing cookies, Denise. They are the best
Speaker 3: cookies in the world, and I am wholeheartedly addicted to them.
Speaker 3: I cannot stop. I have introduced them to everyone that
Speaker 3: I can and they concur that the cookies are life changing.
Speaker 3: So if you're ever around this way, do.
Speaker 2: You think that they got onto the fact like a
Speaker 2: lot of the big food companies have that magic ratio
Speaker 2: of like fat and sugar and salt that just just
Speaker 2: lights up the whole brain because there is this certain
Speaker 2: ratio that is purely addictive, and a lot of the
Speaker 2: big food companies know that they particularly make foods with
Speaker 2: certain ratios to make you addicted to them.
Speaker 3: And the texture. So they have got you know, that
Speaker 3: Jubai chocolate, which I don't I'm not excited about, but
Speaker 3: it's got this crispy stuff in the middle, So they
Speaker 3: have that in the center of these cookies. Oh, my goodness,
Speaker 3: party in your mouth.
Speaker 2: Wow. My husband and my son that love cookies, so
Speaker 2: I might have to get some and get their verdic.
Speaker 1: Yes, when you talk about it's a little bit creepy
Speaker 1: when you talk about those, because you're like a creepy
Speaker 1: old man, but like a creepy middle aged woman talking
Speaker 1: about cookies like with such lust. Such it's just makes
Speaker 1: me feel a little bit unnerved.
Speaker 3: Perimenopause has been a rough ride, and the cookies have
Speaker 3: been the light at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 2: What can I say?
Speaker 1: What's perimenopause doing to you? By the way, how is it?
Speaker 3: I feel like we've hit Calma waters. Now we've hit
Speaker 3: the waters. I've got a new training regime. The nervous
Speaker 3: system feels settled. Sleep can sometimes be a little bit
Speaker 3: of an issue. Still three point thirty wake up this morning.
Speaker 3: But we're settling in.
Speaker 1: Doctor Denise, we probably don't need to ask you, but
Speaker 1: fuck it, while all our girls, while all us girls
Speaker 1: are just chatting about our hormones, How are you? How
Speaker 1: are you traveling?
Speaker 2: I leave it or not. I'm doing okay considering I've
Speaker 2: come off the back of six weeks of almost back
Speaker 2: to back travel. I've et in the US, Hong Kong home,
Speaker 2: three days, London, Dublin, London. And what exacerbates my symptoms
Speaker 2: at a four forty seven year old perimenopause or woman
Speaker 2: is the time zones, the sleep, the eating differently, you know,
Speaker 2: the quartisol. I'm up, but I am pretty proud to say,
Speaker 2: and I think I can say this with confidence. My
Speaker 2: sleep is pretty good, but I've really work on it.
Speaker 2: And where I'm not consistent is you know the exercise
Speaker 2: that's twenty twenty six. And we might even touch on that, Craig,
Speaker 2: because I've had people asking me from a podcast a
Speaker 2: few ago that we didn't follow up on an exercise
Speaker 2: thin wit chatted about with me. But I work really
Speaker 2: hard on my sleep. But this is not a new thing.
Speaker 2: I haven't I realized the terminology, the words that I've used.
Speaker 2: I've always said, you know, I'm not a great sleeper.
Speaker 2: You know, we obviously have these sleep experts that say
Speaker 2: sleeps your superpower. I would say sleep's not my superpower.
Speaker 2: But now that I track, and I'm not saying everyone
Speaker 2: should track, because some people it causes them more anxiety.
Speaker 2: But I'm often pleasantly surprised. You know, Okay, I might
Speaker 2: have only got five hours sleep, but I actually got
Speaker 2: you know, two hours of deep sleep, an hour and
Speaker 2: forty five of rem I'm like, that's good. I got
Speaker 2: a lot of restorative sleep. But I work on it.
Speaker 2: I have a I plan my sleep. When I'm traveling,
Speaker 2: I try to have a wind down wind down not wine,
Speaker 2: because that is not good for sleep. Wind down routine.
Speaker 2: I have to clarify that because if you people go,
Speaker 2: oh cool, a wine, wine, wine down routine. I'll have
Speaker 2: some wine at night. No, no wine. And I do
Speaker 2: have a little bit of a supplement regime, but the
Speaker 2: supplements I don't think would work if I wasn't doing
Speaker 2: everything else, and you know, trying to get out in
Speaker 2: the morning see the sunlight as soon as I get
Speaker 2: to the other side of the world. What am I doing.
Speaker 2: I'm walking. I'm trying to get into that time zone,
Speaker 2: you know, eating at certain times. So my sleep, believe
Speaker 2: it or not, during this stage and with everything I do,
Speaker 2: is good. But I've focused on sleep for many, many
Speaker 2: years as someone that's had children and one the second
Speaker 2: one was not a good sleeper and an auto imune condition,
Speaker 2: and understanding rest and stuff. So sleep's been my priority.
Speaker 2: And actually for all the listeners out there that think,
Speaker 2: you know, I can't do anything about it, when you
Speaker 2: really do start to understand your triggers and what you
Speaker 2: need to do, you know there's no point going to
Speaker 2: bed if you're wide awake. Like for example, I was
Speaker 2: just in Sydney last week and I was at at
Speaker 2: dinner even though it was eleven o'clock at night and
Speaker 2: past my bedtime. I'm an old lady. I didn't go
Speaker 2: to bed in the hotel room. I stayed up for
Speaker 2: an hour just packing my bag, chilling out, having a
Speaker 2: CAMAMALTI because I know that's going to relax me. By
Speaker 2: the time I go to sleep, I'll be ready to
Speaker 2: go to sleep. I'm going to have a better sleep
Speaker 2: than laying there going oh past my bedtime. I've got
Speaker 2: to wake up early for a flight. So yeah, that's
Speaker 2: my little two cents for you all.
Speaker 1: Wow, nice monologue, doc. Yeah, I think I did a
Speaker 1: gig last night and we had a room full of
Speaker 1: humans and we were talking about all of that, like
Speaker 1: just the you know, the big jigsaw puzzle pieces like
Speaker 1: you know, movement and exercise and food and socialization and
Speaker 1: sleep and hydration and booze and just all the pieces
Speaker 1: that kind of move the needle one way or the
Speaker 1: other depending on your relationship with that particular variable. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that the hardest really is is sleep, because
Speaker 1: like you can just choose to eat better, and now
Speaker 1: you're eating better. You can choose to move your body more,
Speaker 1: and now you're moving your body more. But you can't
Speaker 1: just choose to have a good night's sleep. You know,
Speaker 1: that's kind of out of your control. Yes, there are
Speaker 1: things that you can do to prove the chances of
Speaker 1: having a better night's sleep, but I think that's the toughest.
Speaker 1: You know, probably that and anxiety, like sleep and just
Speaker 1: managing one's mind, and obviously they go hand in hands.
Speaker 1: Poor sleep and overthinking and rumination those things don't always
Speaker 1: but often go together. Yeah, but there are so many
Speaker 1: things which it's really just a matter of making that
Speaker 1: decision and doing that thing. All right, well, I'm doing
Speaker 1: four weeks with no booze. Cool, Well that's just a
Speaker 1: decision and not saying it's an easy one, but it's absolute.
Speaker 1: You just do it. And now I'm ten days in,
Speaker 1: I've had no booze, so every day I've had no booze.
Speaker 1: But you can't say I'm going to do twenty eight
Speaker 1: days of sound asleep. You can't do that. So you've
Speaker 1: got to go. Fuck. I hope I sleep tonight. What
Speaker 1: are the things that I can do to optimize my
Speaker 1: chances of sleeping well? And then some people do that,
Speaker 1: but then they worry so much about sleep that then
Speaker 1: they get into bed worried that they're not going to sleep.
Speaker 1: And that's that fucking anxiety about the sleep that keeps
Speaker 1: them awake.
Speaker 2: And I think I used to be that person. As
Speaker 2: I said, tracking for me, believe it or not, has
Speaker 2: been a huge reduction in anxiety, because I think I
Speaker 2: got to the point of, you know, thinking that I'm
Speaker 2: just not a good sleeper. Every time i'd wake up
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh my god, I've waken up, and
Speaker 2: you know, it was a problem. And my poor husband's
Speaker 2: so scared to you know, make a noise at night.
Speaker 2: Like I'll give you one example. I live in Queensland,
Speaker 2: you know, near Noosa, and everything's huge. Spiders, a huge,
Speaker 2: snake's are huge. And there was a big spider in
Speaker 2: the walking robe which is behind us. And by the way,
Speaker 2: welcome back to Queensland and East. We've got spiders and
Speaker 2: we've got jellyfish and it's so crazy living up here.
Speaker 1: How big was this spider? Exactly? It was a wolf.
Speaker 2: Spider the size of my hand. And I must be
Speaker 2: getting better because once upon a time I would have
Speaker 2: just been screaming my head off. But I guess one
Speaker 2: jet lag. But also I'm getting immune to these things.
Speaker 2: But Ryan's from Queensland, He's not scared of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But he was in the walking robe trying to trap
Speaker 2: this spider, worried he was going to get into the clothes,
Speaker 2: and he said he felt like he was fighting it,
Speaker 2: but he was trying to catch it in a shoe box.
Speaker 2: But he was trying to be really quiet because he
Speaker 2: was so scared of waking me up because he knows
Speaker 2: how you know, anxious I used to get about sleep.
Speaker 2: But we had a conversation because he actually mentioned he said,
Speaker 2: you know, you focus so much on sleep, but you
Speaker 2: know what about the exercise, even if he now mentions it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I actually think I'm a good sleeper.
Speaker 2: And this is very new, like this is very very recent,
Speaker 2: as in like weeks, as in the last few weeks.
Speaker 2: I've just changed my dialogue that actually I am a
Speaker 2: pretty good sleeper. And with all the life and with
Speaker 2: all the lifestyle things I do and all the stuff
Speaker 2: going on, I have now worked. And it's not that
Speaker 2: I always have a perfect sleep, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: But I know what I can do to improve my sleep.
Speaker 2: I know what's going to disrupt my sleep, and if
Speaker 2: I do have one bad night's sleep, it's not a
Speaker 2: big deal. Like that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1: You know what you don't want. You don't want your
Speaker 1: partner to wake you up at three am saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not making any noise. I just I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find a spider that's as big as your hand.
Speaker 1: But I can't fucking see it.
Speaker 2: I can't throw the light on and I can't make
Speaker 2: noise because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you feel some jogging across your face
Speaker 1: that's a bit hairy, that could be old mate. Let
Speaker 1: me know. I'll come and put a shoe box over
Speaker 1: it and your face. That's only in Australia. All our
Speaker 1: American listeners are like, oh my god, yeah no, you
Speaker 1: don't want that. Fuck that. I've got friends who see
Speaker 1: Daddy long legs and freak the fuck out. Imagine that
Speaker 1: that would be four months in hospital for them.
Speaker 2: When you come from Melbourne, all of the things scare
Speaker 2: you for many years. But it's been eight years of
Speaker 2: living up here now and I'm definitely becoming more immune
Speaker 2: to the freak out. Like I used to scream very loudly,
Speaker 2: very very loudly, people probably thought I was being attacked,
Speaker 2: whereas now there's I don't have such a big response
Speaker 2: to these things.
Speaker 1: I'm not a guru like you are, So I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask you a question ree things that people can take. Supplements, vitamins, drugs,
Speaker 1: good bad, not bad, but that might move the needle
Speaker 1: with sleep. So is melatonin does that actually do anything?
Speaker 1: I know that that's been used for a long time
Speaker 1: to help people sleep is that effective.
Speaker 2: So for me personally obvious, everyone's different. It's such a
Speaker 2: game changer. I really only need a very low dose,
Speaker 2: like the one I takes one and a half milligrams.
Speaker 2: If I'm really on you know, it's day night and
Speaker 2: I worried about my sleep, I might have three milligrams.
Speaker 2: You know, some people have ten. I don't advise higher doses.
Speaker 2: That's just a lot, but often less is better most
Speaker 2: people in Australia, if you're you don't need a script anymore.
Speaker 2: If you have insomnia, or you're over fifty, certain certain things,
Speaker 2: you can just go to the pharmacist. It's their discretion
Speaker 2: and most of the time they'll give you a two
Speaker 2: milligram slow release melotone. And I think if you are
Speaker 2: having issues sleeping, like it's becoming an issue you do,
Speaker 2: think you've got insomnia, or you're having anxiety, or you're
Speaker 2: traveling into nationally like I do, I would suggest using it,
Speaker 2: but I don't suggest using it long term. So we
Speaker 2: don't have any hard data to say that long term
Speaker 2: is dangerous. But very recently there was a big scare
Speaker 2: in the media that long term malatonia increases risks of
Speaker 2: cardiovascular events. However, when I dug into the research, actually
Speaker 2: it's a kind of retrospective study. They've just gone back
Speaker 2: to hospital records and they've associated people that mark down
Speaker 2: taking melatonin with sort of heart attacks. But it's people
Speaker 2: taking malatonin for years. But the truth is a lot
Speaker 2: of people taking melatonin might not have reported it. The
Speaker 2: ones that were taking melatonin might have had more insomnia
Speaker 2: and serious issues, and that could have been the issue
Speaker 2: around the cardiovascular events. So when you look at the study,
Speaker 2: it actually brings up more questions than answers. But the
Speaker 2: media jumped on it and made it sound like if
Speaker 2: you're having melatone and you're increasing risk of heart attacks.
Speaker 2: I even got a bit scared. But as I said,
Speaker 2: I went to the research paper and it made me think, well,
Speaker 2: I don't take it consistently. You know, I'm not taking
Speaker 2: it for years and years. It's not high dose, but
Speaker 2: we don't want to be reliant on something. But if
Speaker 2: you are having issues, to maybe get you out of
Speaker 2: that funk, get you out of that anxious period, melotonin
Speaker 2: can be really helpful for most people. And I'd always
Speaker 2: start the lowest dose possible and then you know, build
Speaker 2: up slowly if you think it's not helping, So that's
Speaker 2: really going in strong though, Like melotonin's like straight to
Speaker 2: the stuff. There'd be things I would do before melotone
Speaker 2: and basic things. Magnesiums very calming for people at night.
Speaker 2: Some people benefit up a lot just from magnesium. L
Speaker 2: cnine is something. There's a particular type of lthanine, the
Speaker 2: alpha wave lthanine. Lots of different brands have that specific
Speaker 2: form of lthanine that's been studied, the alpha wave that
Speaker 2: really helps with the deep sleep. I again respond really
Speaker 2: well because I do tracking and even just little things
Speaker 2: like a wind down routine, something at night that you're
Speaker 2: not sitting there scrolling social media, even if you think
Speaker 2: it's not stressing you out, you know, don't. You can't.
Speaker 2: You can't control what you see, and then something triggers
Speaker 2: you and then you get a little bit of caught.
Speaker 2: That cortisole stops your natural malatonin, which is your sleep hormone.
Speaker 2: And I should have mentioned that if people don't know
Speaker 2: what malatonin is, it's your natural hormone that increases during
Speaker 2: the night. It's what comes up at night and helps
Speaker 2: us sleep. And it's really more about our body understanding
Speaker 2: that Cicadian rhythm, which is that day night cycle. We
Speaker 2: do have rhythms and cycles, and one of the best
Speaker 2: things you can do, aside from all the supplements, is
Speaker 2: just waking up in the morning and seeing the sun
Speaker 2: telling your body it's morning, and then at night being
Speaker 2: in the dark and just calming down the system to
Speaker 2: go okay, day night. This is how it should work.
Speaker 2: You know, we confuse ourselves with all the blue light,
Speaker 2: the stresses eating late at night, you know, sleeping in
Speaker 2: or not seeing the light in the morning. People are
Speaker 2: wearing sunglasses and that the body doesn't know, or they're
Speaker 2: wearing even blue blockers in the morning. A lot of
Speaker 2: people now having blue blockers. I don't have mine on today,
Speaker 2: but I usually wear mine in the day for the screen,
Speaker 2: and people think our blue blockers are great all the screen,
Speaker 2: But that's more at night. It's actually normal to see
Speaker 2: some blue light in the morning. So there's a lot
Speaker 2: of mixed signals from just our environment that we can
Speaker 2: work on before we even think about supplements. You know,
Speaker 2: just getting up doing some movement, a bit of a
Speaker 2: bit of walking or something in the morning and then
Speaker 2: not having that blue light at night.
Speaker 1: Do you think that this is anecdotal, but it seems
Speaker 1: to me like more women struggle to sleep great than men.
Speaker 1: What's your observation. I don't know if that's research so.
Speaker 2: True and it's so annoying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like, dude, it's like, oh, a rock,
Speaker 1: I'll be asleep just now. Yeah. Like I feel like
Speaker 1: we're like bears. I said this last night when I
Speaker 1: did my gig. We're talking about sleep, and I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I apologize, but I could literally go to I could
Speaker 1: be watching television while drinking coffee at ten o'clock and
Speaker 1: fall into a coma and sleep for eight hours like
Speaker 1: a rock, just inhaling caffeine and having my brain stimulated
Speaker 1: by a screen.
Speaker 2: My husband just no problem sleeping. My son. He's thirteen
Speaker 2: and he's been like this. So it's a difficult everyone
Speaker 2: who's a baby, but most are. But by about ten
Speaker 2: months he started sleeping through. My daughter no, but that
Speaker 2: was more complicated. But she didn't sleep through the night
Speaker 2: till she was five. Hence why I said, I've had
Speaker 2: a long term sleep issue. I really have to work
Speaker 2: on sleep. But with Harry it's phenomenal. Sometimes I think
Speaker 2: he's faking it. My son goes to bed and he's out, like,
Speaker 2: see you later. Just my daughter. Now, I don't know
Speaker 2: if she's just it's genetic and she's like me, or
Speaker 2: if it is a male female. I'm just going on
Speaker 2: what happens in my household. But in my household, the
Speaker 2: males just go to sleep. Estelle, My daughter is just
Speaker 2: like me. So we've got an audiobook on, we're reading
Speaker 2: a story, or we're just doing a little bit of coloring. Again,
Speaker 2: it's that wine down. She wants to talk to you. Oh, no,
Speaker 2: I need to go to the toilet now, Oh I
Speaker 2: didn't get my water bottle. Like it goes on for
Speaker 2: an hour. It's fascinating to watch Harry just bed sleep done.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that that trait for women to well,
Speaker 1: this is our theory anyway, it's working theory everybody. For
Speaker 1: women maybe not to sleep as great as men is
Speaker 1: more about physiology and biochemistry or emotions or psychology. Is
Speaker 1: it that women worry more? That women are more empathetic,
Speaker 1: so they're are half the night fucking thinking about stuff
Speaker 1: and worrying about stuff, and men are just we're all
Speaker 1: just sociopaths.
Speaker 2: To sleep on a rock, I do think there's a
Speaker 2: lot to do with the cognitive part. What you're talking
Speaker 2: about overthinking, just very much stimulated, not being able to
Speaker 2: just sort of switch off as quickly as men. You know,
Speaker 2: sometimes I ask my son or your husband or even
Speaker 2: you know, you speak to men, and you know they
Speaker 2: might not actually really be thinking about anything. You know,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Oh no, I'm just doing what
Speaker 2: I'm doing. You know, women are often doing what they're
Speaker 2: doing thinking about ten thousand things, like we've just got
Speaker 2: so much going on in our brain. So I do
Speaker 2: think that is a big component. I also think post baby,
Speaker 2: even tho I'm talking about my daughter who's only nine,
Speaker 2: you know, taking longer to get to sleep and just
Speaker 2: to calm down. I think my sleep got a lot.
Speaker 2: There was a real period of years and years where
Speaker 2: I was an extremely light sleeper, whereas now, even though
Speaker 2: I'm perimenopausal, I'm actually getting a bit more deep sleep.
Speaker 2: But for many years I didn't. Yes, my daughter used
Speaker 2: to wake me up, but even when she wasn't waking
Speaker 2: me up, I was just you're on this like any noise,
Speaker 2: any noise, and it's so annoying when your husband doesn't
Speaker 2: hear the noises. Oh my god, did you hear her?
Speaker 2: Did you hear like anything? I'm up? And I do
Speaker 2: think that is some evolutionary maternal thing, protective mechanism to
Speaker 2: be like, are the kids okay? Again, we don't know
Speaker 2: this for sure, but I definitely had years of very
Speaker 2: very light sleep and everything woke me up, every single noise.
Speaker 1: It was crazy at forty seven, tip, how old are you?
Speaker 1: Forty two?
Speaker 2: Forty two?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 1: Maybe at forty seven and somebody who has been research
Speaker 1: and learning and at the cold phase of education and
Speaker 1: teaching and coaching and writing and speaking and building businesses
Speaker 1: and using your mind and your brain NonStop and then
Speaker 1: solving problems like raising kids and relationships and just navigating life.
Speaker 1: How do you think your brain is at forty seven?
Speaker 1: Your cognitive function, your mental acuity, your memory, you're from
Speaker 1: one of a better term? Your brain performance? How do
Speaker 1: you do you have any do you go? I think
Speaker 1: it's about as good as it's ever been. It's maybe
Speaker 1: a bit worse at this, a bit better at that.
Speaker 1: How do you Because I think about my brain performance
Speaker 1: a lot, because I'm old, like way older than you,
Speaker 1: and I think about you know, I'm I'm more concerned
Speaker 1: with my cognitive function than my biceps. And that's fucking
Speaker 1: saying something for me, because you know, there was about
Speaker 1: fifty years where I'm like, it's all about, you know, insecure, overthinking,
Speaker 1: ego driven, maniacal. Not fifty years, but a good thirty
Speaker 1: years where I've just cared way too much about how
Speaker 1: I looked. And it's funny. Now I just think about
Speaker 1: how can I make my brain work great? What's your
Speaker 1: brain kind of performance?
Speaker 2: Like I would say right now, I'm pretty happy, you know,
Speaker 2: as someone who's predisposed to Alzheimer's and dementia, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously that's a concern for me as well. But I'm
Speaker 2: pretty happy with my mental capacity, my ability to learn
Speaker 2: and perform and memory and things like that. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say I'm at my best because I think we just
Speaker 2: don't completely understand the potential we have. And I do
Speaker 2: think I still probably take on too many things to
Speaker 2: really excel. Like I think if you really want to excel,
Speaker 2: you need to be a bit more focused. And sometimes
Speaker 2: I'm a bit distracted too many things happening. But overall,
Speaker 2: I'm very happy with my with my ability to learn
Speaker 2: to retain new information, which I think is important. And
Speaker 2: I feel like I I even though you know I
Speaker 2: would be kind of mid age, I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: still growing, Like I don't feel old, which is great
Speaker 2: to say after six weeks of international travel. Like at
Speaker 2: the moment, I'm actually feeling believe it. I'm not pretty good,
Speaker 2: But as I said, I've been very much focused on sleep,
Speaker 2: very much focused on basic things like walking, hydration, like
Speaker 2: such basics. But I have to factor them in. I
Speaker 2: have to factor them in so that I don't burn out.
Speaker 2: But I feel like my brain's pretty good. Next year,
Speaker 2: I will do a lot less international travel and I
Speaker 2: want to focus more on clinic and get back into
Speaker 2: seeing these patients that are very much interested in their
Speaker 2: cognitive health. And I'll probably bring back in the cognitive
Speaker 2: assessments that we did in Melbourne, so the clinic down
Speaker 2: the road from you craig your health. In Brighton we
Speaker 2: used to do cognitive assessments. So there are little memorys
Speaker 2: and things you can do to assess your memory and
Speaker 2: if it's deceived, if there is a bit of cognitive decline,
Speaker 2: and by the way, if there is, it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that's it. We actually can do a lot to improve it.
Speaker 2: I think I'll bring these things back in next year
Speaker 2: because they are important tools. I like tools, as you
Speaker 2: can tell, I like to track. But generally I feel
Speaker 2: I'm really happy to say I feel great considering my
Speaker 2: mum was really having memory issues, strange things, even hallucinations,
Speaker 2: but she sort of had weird like frontal lobe stuff
Speaker 2: going on before the diagnosis. But mumum was having symptoms
Speaker 2: at my age. And I'm definitely not. I'm not like
Speaker 2: I'm doing well.
Speaker 1: That's great. What about you cook? You're forty two, but
Speaker 1: I feel like you're learning and studying and researching and
Speaker 1: creating more than you were probably twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And I think a lot of that comes
Speaker 3: down to just knowing how my brain works, and except
Speaker 3: like knowing what I'm good at and what I'm not
Speaker 3: and how to work with that better and how to
Speaker 3: support that. Like I'm you know, focus is challenging at times,
Speaker 3: and attention to detail, you know, but like there's things
Speaker 3: that I'm naturally greater at and there's things that I'm not,
Speaker 3: and I'm less critical about that, which means I can
Speaker 3: optimize it easier.
Speaker 2: M M.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting thing, isn't it when you know that
Speaker 1: you're not you know, like for you, because you've got
Speaker 1: all the ADHD all of it. Look up, look up
Speaker 1: that in the dictionary. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just with a
Speaker 1: barrel full of cookies. Jeez, that shop gets a lot
Speaker 1: of mileage. And no we're not sponsored by them.
Speaker 2: You should consider that though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you just wonder like should should this be?
Speaker 1: Do I just optimize what I've got, like my natural
Speaker 1: abilities and my natural like let's say I'm very creative
Speaker 1: and I can tell good stories and I'm a bit funny,
Speaker 1: and do I lean into that more and develop that
Speaker 1: or do I like because sometimes I look at what
Speaker 1: TIFs gould, which is a lot of things that I'm
Speaker 1: not good at, same with Melissa, and I think, oh fuck,
Speaker 1: should I get better at that stuff? Should I use
Speaker 1: my brain in that way? And then I just go, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm not interested, Like I'm not interested. But then you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: doing what I've been doing at UNI for the last
Speaker 1: six years is a very different kind of environment and
Speaker 1: focus for me. But even though you know you're often
Speaker 1: doing stuff which is not fun or easy or painless
Speaker 1: or comfortable or all of those things. In an academic environment,
Speaker 1: and as you well know, Denise, but that that kind
Speaker 1: of using or that kind of use of my brain
Speaker 1: has been really good for me beyond academia. It's like
Speaker 1: really expanded the way that I think, and it's really
Speaker 1: expanded me in ways that I didn't expect, beyond just
Speaker 1: learning how to research and how to run studies and
Speaker 1: interpret data and write papers and read papers and a
Speaker 1: fucking thesis and all that stuff. But it's like for me,
Speaker 1: I reckon thirty or forty percent of it is getting
Speaker 1: the PhD, but sixty percent of it maybe is all
Speaker 1: the cognitive benefits. I feel my brain works better now
Speaker 1: than when I started. And when I started, I was
Speaker 1: fifty six, so you know, and now I'm sixty two.
Speaker 1: So for me, that's a really and maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: but you know, how do you know? But as objective
Speaker 1: as I can be about me and my brain and
Speaker 1: my mind and my cognitive performance, it feels like like
Speaker 1: I don't I don't feel like I lose my place
Speaker 1: or I blank out, or almost the opposite. It's like
Speaker 1: I can't get the shit out of my head quick enough.
Speaker 1: It's like my mouth works at one, my mouth works
Speaker 1: at one, and my brain works at two point zero
Speaker 1: and my gob can't keep up with my brain sometimes.
Speaker 2: Ohel, I feel exactly the same, and I'm a bit
Speaker 2: similar to you. I feel like my brain is probably
Speaker 2: better now than it was twenty years ago, even though
Speaker 2: I was doing research and working space, because I'm still learning,
Speaker 2: and I use that word growing. I think I'm really
Speaker 2: growing and a bit like what Tiff said, Yes, academically,
Speaker 2: because I'm always looking at the research, but I'm also
Speaker 2: learning what works me and what doesn't and being okay
Speaker 2: with things because there are certain things I'm good at,
Speaker 2: like I'm better at speaking that I am writing. But
Speaker 2: I'm really starting to lean into writing. I've had to write,
Speaker 2: I had to write a thesis, I've got to write papers.
Speaker 2: But I really don't like it, and something's changing. I'm
Speaker 2: starting to enjoy putting things down on paper. I think
Speaker 2: it's not so much the writing. I enjoy sharing, and
Speaker 2: I think the talking and speaking on stages all the
Speaker 2: time is exhausting. Writing's kind of nice if I'm not
Speaker 2: putting that pressure on myself to be perfect. Maybe That's
Speaker 2: where I'm at now. I'm getting older, I'm less of
Speaker 2: a perfectionist to think I didn't like writing because I
Speaker 2: thought I wasn't good at it, just it was never
Speaker 2: happy with it. When you speak, that's it, it's done,
Speaker 2: can't change it. But writing I can go over it
Speaker 2: and over it and over it, and I'll never be happy.
Speaker 2: Whereas now it's like just get it out there. This
Speaker 2: information is and now it's like this information is so
Speaker 2: important if again we're thinking about brain health, like people
Speaker 2: need to know this stuff. It could change people's life.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how it's written. The content has got
Speaker 2: to get out there. So I feel like I'm growing,
Speaker 2: and I think for everyone listening, Yes, you want to
Speaker 2: focus on what you're good at because you love it
Speaker 2: and you're more likely to do well because it's your
Speaker 2: passion and you enjoy it. But you definitely want to
Speaker 2: stretch yourself. You definitely want to do things that are hard,
Speaker 2: things that you don't like, because that's where you will
Speaker 2: grow in other areas and you'll actually get you will
Speaker 2: get a level of satisfaction and growth keeps in that word.
Speaker 2: I don't usually use that word, but that's sort of
Speaker 2: what's coming to me. Because even if you're in forty fifty,
Speaker 2: sixty seventy, you can still be growing your mind, growing
Speaker 2: your muscles. We're not over at a certain age, so
Speaker 2: I think you know everything you've done, Craig. So good
Speaker 2: for your brain. And when we again thinking about cognitive
Speaker 2: decline or cognitive ability, there was a paper published in April.
Speaker 2: And not that we need the research to prove this,
Speaker 2: but it's nice to see good data. But there was
Speaker 2: a paper published that was looking at the risk factors
Speaker 2: and the preventative things we can do to reduce dementia
Speaker 2: in Alzheimer's, stroke and hypertension because they're also closely linked.
Speaker 2: And when it came to the brain, cognitive activity as
Speaker 2: a protective factor stood out above everything. Yes, exercise is important,
Speaker 2: a whole food diet comes up, but activity using your brain.
Speaker 2: When you're looking at the reason I keep people can't
Speaker 2: see me because we're on a podcast, but I keep
Speaker 2: sort of stretching my hand out because it shows you
Speaker 2: in a circle. There's a visual. But the one that
Speaker 2: stands out the most is cognitive cognitive activity. Use your brain,
Speaker 2: keep learning things, keep doing new things, and that will
Speaker 2: keep your brain young.
Speaker 1: I love the story about the anterior mid singulate core text.
Speaker 1: You know what that is?
Speaker 2: I am what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yes. So there's part of brain which is called the
Speaker 1: amc C anterior mid singulate cortex. And when you do
Speaker 1: hard things, like things that you don't want to do,
Speaker 1: you know, things that you could delay, like you're like, oh, fuck,
Speaker 1: I really should clean this up before I go to bed,
Speaker 1: but fuck it'll it's not going to go anywhere. I'll
Speaker 1: do it in the morning. But then you just go no,
Speaker 1: and you go and do it, right, You just go
Speaker 1: and do that thing. Or you're too tired. You know,
Speaker 1: you meant to do your ten thousand steps. It's eleven
Speaker 1: o'clock at night, and you know you could get away
Speaker 1: with not doing You're up to seven. You've got to
Speaker 1: do three more, and you could just go to bed,
Speaker 1: and you go, fuck it, I'm going to go do
Speaker 1: my three just because I want to tick this box
Speaker 1: every day and I know I don't have to, but
Speaker 1: I'm going to. So when you do these things that
Speaker 1: you don't need to do or you don't have to
Speaker 1: do by necessity, but you just choose to do them.
Speaker 1: So you take the you know, the narrow path, not
Speaker 1: the wide path, or the higher path not the lower path.
Speaker 1: There's a part of a brain that actually gets bigger,
Speaker 1: which is that the anterior mid singulate cortex. And Andrew
Speaker 1: Huberman talks about this quite a lot. But what it
Speaker 1: does is irrespective of the task. It could be cleaning
Speaker 1: your room, it could be going for a run, it
Speaker 1: could be having a hard conversation with somebody that you
Speaker 1: really don't want to have, but you you just put
Speaker 1: on your big boy pants or your big girl pants
Speaker 1: and you go and have the conversation. And so it's
Speaker 1: in the doing of these things that are mentally and
Speaker 1: perhaps physically challenged that this part of the brain adapts
Speaker 1: and crads new neural pathways and physically gets bigger. Then
Speaker 1: when we do that, over time, we just get better
Speaker 1: at doing hard things, you know. And it's like the
Speaker 1: beauty of this is our brain can keep adapting and
Speaker 1: learning and upgrading pretty much at any age. You know. Obviously,
Speaker 1: with people with real degradation there are issues. But for
Speaker 1: the average person listening to this, who isn't in the
Speaker 1: middle of you know, Alzheimer's or some kind of brain disease. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the thing is we can all train our brain and
Speaker 1: prove our cognitive function focus, attention, memory, recall performance, you know,
Speaker 1: even maths, even writing, even creativity. I mean, that's the
Speaker 1: beauty of this stuff. That's why I just love the
Speaker 1: fact that, well two things. One, we have more potential
Speaker 1: than we understand. I know that sounds cliche, but I
Speaker 1: truly believe that on a range of levels physically, mentally, emotionally, creatively, professionally, personally,
Speaker 1: we just have more talent than we realize. But then
Speaker 1: the next challenge is getting people to actually believe that,
Speaker 1: because I think our self doubt and our fear gets
Speaker 1: in the way of what we can do.
Speaker 2: And for those who are listening, you know, you mentioned
Speaker 2: if someone does have a lot of you know, degradation
Speaker 2: in the brain or has Alzheimer's, a brain disease. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm very happy to report that when I was in October,
Speaker 2: when I was in California in October, just a few
Speaker 2: months ago, Dale Brettison, who is one of the leaders
Speaker 2: in Alzheimer's research, was showing phenomenal updates on reversing cognitive
Speaker 2: decline in Alzheimer's. You know, parts of the brain that
Speaker 2: had so much damage or all lit up doing the
Speaker 2: scans and then the improvement you know, in three to
Speaker 2: six months, and particularly in twelve months. So there is
Speaker 2: a lot happening, and I came away from that event
Speaker 2: just like mind blown. The advancements, mind you. I mean
Speaker 2: they are talking about some pharmaceuticals potentially, there are some
Speaker 2: drugs coming out, but our focus wasn't on that. The
Speaker 2: focus is on the lifestyle thing. So he has a
Speaker 2: pretty it's a very intense program he has reversing Alzheimer's
Speaker 2: clinics in the US. But it's the diet, it's the exercise,
Speaker 2: it's the supplements. There's no one protocol that's working out.
Speaker 2: What were the triggers, you know, if someone got mold,
Speaker 2: or is it the genetics? You know? Is it this?
Speaker 2: Is it that you know? There are different things some
Speaker 2: people say Alzheimer's is you know type three diabetes. A
Speaker 2: lot of people have blood sugar issues. But it's working
Speaker 2: through all of that and bringing the body back to
Speaker 2: balance and people can heal even further along in the
Speaker 2: journey than what's than once we thought, so really really promising.
Speaker 2: I would say in the next five to ten years,
Speaker 2: hopefully it becomes a lot more known that we really
Speaker 2: can do so much, because I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people still don't even realize I think that's it. You've
Speaker 2: got a diagnosis, get your things in order, you know,
Speaker 2: that's it, You're done. And that's not the case at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, crea teene's getting a fair run at the moment.
Speaker 1: In the conversation on the interwebs, it's like it's the
Speaker 1: most spoken about supplement. It's the most researched supplement. Are
Speaker 1: you having high dose? Are you having the high dose?
Speaker 2: And how high and how much at a time, and
Speaker 2: how do you feel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't get like some people get diarrhea,
Speaker 1: some people have gut aches. This is why we need
Speaker 1: to find out what works for us. I was doing
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty grams. I've backed it off. I'm probably
Speaker 1: having ten or twelve grams a day. So the daily
Speaker 1: IRDI for that is three to five gram But again
Speaker 1: this depends on everybody has different tolerances for different things.
Speaker 1: You know, my mum who weighs forty eight kilos probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't take what I take, who weighs Nellie double her
Speaker 1: body weight and so on. But yeah, so my daily
Speaker 1: protocol is about I would say ten to fifteen, probably
Speaker 1: somewhere in the twelve. I take two tea spoons which
Speaker 1: I reckon is about six and six grams slightly heaped,
Speaker 1: and I feel good. I feel like my brain works better.
Speaker 1: I would call it cognitive support. I wouldn't call it
Speaker 1: a miracle or anything. But you know, the thing is
Speaker 1: that it's hard to know, isn't it, because there are
Speaker 1: so many variables around what makes your brain work well?
Speaker 1: Like I sleep really well, so that helps. I don't
Speaker 1: drink booze, so that helps. I don't eat shit food,
Speaker 1: so that helps. I stay really well hydrated, so that
Speaker 1: helps I lift weights. That helps I don't really suffer
Speaker 1: from anxiety or stress. Helps. I have good social support.
Speaker 1: A few people love me, so that helps. You know,
Speaker 1: there are so many things that impact how a person's
Speaker 1: brain works, you know, for good or bad. Then to
Speaker 1: try to think, oh, this is going to make a
Speaker 1: twenty five percent difference or a two percent difference or
Speaker 1: no difference, it's almost impossible to know because you know
Speaker 1: you're doing so many things at once. But I think
Speaker 1: if you for people who want to and whether or
Speaker 1: not it's with creatine or any kind of intervention or
Speaker 1: any kind of thing, that you want to try keep
Speaker 1: everything else the same and introduce one thing you know,
Speaker 1: don't introduce two things or three things or four things,
Speaker 1: because then we don't know what's working.
Speaker 2: You know, and consider where you get it from, like
Speaker 2: maybe speak to someone in a health food store or
Speaker 2: a pharmacy. You want to get a good quality product.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be exippient. Sometimes you know, things don't
Speaker 2: have the exact doses. So being very cautious of what
Speaker 2: you're actually getting and if you have the opportunity working
Speaker 2: with a but if not, at least speaking to someone
Speaker 2: at the health food store sometimes as a naturopath or
Speaker 2: an expert or even the pharmacist that pharmacies usually have
Speaker 2: someone that's trained in the supplements that you can have
Speaker 2: a chat to. The reason I ask about the creatine
Speaker 2: is there was you know these podcasts. I love Ronda Patrick.
Speaker 2: You know, Ronda Patrick and I do similar things, but
Speaker 2: she stayed in in research. But she was saying, you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen grams. I think it was fifteen, maybe more than that,
Speaker 2: but we'll get rid of jet lag. And there was
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and I get jet lag, right, I'm
Speaker 2: flying from the other side. So I had fifteen grams
Speaker 2: and as I've done it twice now because I thought
Speaker 2: I may be the first time, and I'm about to
Speaker 2: use a different type of creatine, even though I know
Speaker 2: the stuff I've got pure, it's compounded. But anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: going to try a different one and see if it's
Speaker 2: the type. But on both occasions, I have felt like awful,
Speaker 2: like actually a little bit. It made me feel worse,
Speaker 2: a little bit, almost sort of dizzy, not nice in that,
Speaker 2: like a little bit, tiny bit not off. I feel
Speaker 2: more off, and one hundred percent did not get rid
Speaker 2: of my jet lag. I was devastated. And the first
Speaker 2: time I thought, oh, maybe that's a one off. The
Speaker 2: second time, however, now I went to a talk just
Speaker 2: last month in Hong Kong, but they were saying you
Speaker 2: never have fifteen grams as a one off, Like they
Speaker 2: said you should have five grams three times a day.
Speaker 2: So I thought, okay, maybe that is the issue. Though
Speaker 2: that wasn't talked about people to say have a high dose.
Speaker 2: The impression I got is that you needed to have
Speaker 2: that much for it to cross the blood rain barrier.
Speaker 2: If you have the smaller doses that we typically have,
Speaker 2: like five grams, which I'm fine with, you won't get that.
Speaker 2: But then I've now heard you would never have that
Speaker 2: much at once because you do get you know, gastrointestinal
Speaker 2: stuff things like that, have it spread a day. So
Speaker 2: that's the difficult thing too, you know, knowing how to
Speaker 2: take things. But yeah, just be cautious. I'm obviously very
Speaker 2: experimental with myself and I know that I can get
Speaker 2: good quality products. But for me personally, I did not
Speaker 2: feel better having that much. Unfortunately, that is not my
Speaker 2: wonder drug at the moment. But I'll keep you posted
Speaker 2: if things.
Speaker 1: I did see some research recently on creatine gummy bears
Speaker 1: and they tested like I don't know, fifty different brands
Speaker 1: and most of them had nothing in them. Most of
Speaker 1: them had somewhere between like so gummy bears that were
Speaker 1: meant to have three grams I think of creatine per
Speaker 1: gummy bear on average, and most of them had between
Speaker 1: zero and one. Yeah, and a lot of them had
Speaker 1: zero creatine, like about half. And people are just people
Speaker 1: are just basically eating lollies. Yeah, it's such an unregulated,
Speaker 1: dodgy industry, especially when.
Speaker 2: You buy things online. Like I have patients and they'll
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, you know, what do you
Speaker 2: think about this? And it's this thing, and sometimes they're
Speaker 2: quite expensive. It's this powder that's marketed as this thing,
Speaker 2: and it's been on Instagram or TikTok or something, and
Speaker 2: they come to me and they're like, oh, and then
Speaker 2: it's a subscription model. There's spending hundreds to get this powder,
Speaker 2: you know, each month, and it's got all these things.
Speaker 2: And the first thing I say is where's it mate?
Speaker 2: Where are they getting the ingredients? I can't advise you.
Speaker 2: They're like, should I take this? I'm like, the ingredients
Speaker 2: look great, but are they the ingredients? Are they the dose?
Speaker 2: I can't advise you because I don't know that product
Speaker 2: and I don't know who makes it. The things that
Speaker 2: I'm generally recommending, I know that brand. I trust that brand.
Speaker 2: You know it's approved through TGA or other regulatory bodies
Speaker 2: for my international clients. So you do need to be
Speaker 2: very cautious of what you're taking. And that's another thing
Speaker 2: I'll say about malatona. I mean, malatonin's got really strict
Speaker 2: in Australia. Once upon a time people were just buying
Speaker 2: it online. Now it's really heavily regulated. It's unlikely you'll
Speaker 2: find it online. But the reason why melatonin, as we
Speaker 2: used to be prescription only now at the discretion of
Speaker 2: the pharmacist. If you have a chat, if they're unsure,
Speaker 2: they might send you to the doctor to get a script.
Speaker 2: But once upon a time you could just buy it online.
Speaker 2: It didn't matter. But the reality is they've done the
Speaker 2: studies and a lot of those ones online had more.
Speaker 2: Most of the time they had less, but occasionally they
Speaker 2: had more. But the reason Whyustralia is cracked down is
Speaker 2: they've had I can't remember the number. To me, it
Speaker 2: didn't seem striking considering how many children there are in Australia,
Speaker 2: but I think it was over a thousand reported don't
Speaker 2: quite beyond that, but reported overdoses of melatonin in children
Speaker 2: because a lot of parents give these gummies to kids. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't personally recommend that. I have a daughter who's
Speaker 2: not a great sleeper, but I don't choose to give
Speaker 2: her malatonin. I choose to sit with her and as
Speaker 2: if we read a book, or we have certain things,
Speaker 2: or in saying that though kids are pretty smart. When
Speaker 2: I travel, her dad tells her to go to bed,
Speaker 2: and she goes to bed, but when mum's around. But
Speaker 2: so I don't choose to give my children malatonin. I
Speaker 2: do know for children on the spectrum and that have
Speaker 2: a lot of maybe more anxiety and things like that,
Speaker 2: you could consider it. It sleeps so important and if
Speaker 2: it helps, but in general, teaching kids to wind down
Speaker 2: at night and things like that is I think more important.
Speaker 2: But we've had lots of overdoses of melatonin in children
Speaker 2: because they think they're lollies and they overdose and then
Speaker 2: they're in the hospital, and yeah, big issues there. So
Speaker 2: that's why it's become almost impossible, which is a good
Speaker 2: thing to buy online in Australia.
Speaker 1: Can I tell a completely irrelevant to this conversation, but
Speaker 1: somewhat related to this conversation story. So I never buy
Speaker 1: anything online and I use one after shave that smells
Speaker 1: great and it's the only alf to shave I like.
Speaker 1: It's called a lure by Chanelle. It's a bit fancy,
Speaker 1: because I'm obviously very fucking fancy. So anyway, Melissa told
Speaker 1: me to buy it online. You know, it's like it's cheaper,
Speaker 1: it's the same. So I bought this stuff online. I
Speaker 1: get it. I'm like giddy up, butter Cup. It was
Speaker 1: a bit cheaper. Arrived at my post office, which is
Speaker 1: just up the road, giddy up butter Cup, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: woo who and I spray it on. I'm like, that
Speaker 1: doesn't smell like the normal stuff. And then and then
Speaker 1: I look at the bottle. I look at the thing,
Speaker 1: and the normal after shave or perfume or whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, it's like it's like a light
Speaker 1: yellow color. It's like apple juice the color. And this
Speaker 1: is just clear like water. And I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's in the same bottle, it's in the
Speaker 1: same packaging, it's identical. Then you open it and it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not what I paid for. It's literally not that
Speaker 1: after shave. And it smells like it doesn't smell terrible,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't smell great. And yeah, literally different stuff.
Speaker 1: So that's my that's my one and only fora into
Speaker 1: online shopping at this point in time.
Speaker 2: You know what I think, which could be not true,
Speaker 2: but if you are getting a cheaper perfume, it's probably
Speaker 2: filled with more synthetic parabens, ender crime disruptors. They could
Speaker 2: be making your balls shrink, like you're getting lots of
Speaker 2: like estrogen mimicking hormones. And I would consider maybe not
Speaker 2: using that because I don't know that.
Speaker 1: You're allowed to speak about my balls, just like I'm
Speaker 1: that not allowed to speak about your vagina. I don't
Speaker 1: know that that's okay. Like what if I when dang
Speaker 1: your vagina? You can't say that?
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like if I don't say that, it
Speaker 2: doesn't hit home. You know, sometimes you say to all women,
Speaker 2: always an endocrime disrupted. These chemicals are bad. Don't use
Speaker 2: this makeup, don't use this skincare, don't use this household products.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, okay, you know, hormone disrupting da da
Speaker 2: da kind of connect men, Just go whatever. I'm just
Speaker 2: going to put the perfume on. I'm just going to
Speaker 2: spray the gidiotoran under here. I'm just going to put
Speaker 2: it all over me and I'm going to put this
Speaker 2: stuff in my hair and it's fine, Like it's fine
Speaker 2: as if. And you're like, do you know what's in that?
Speaker 2: You absorb it through your skin, like prostate cancers going
Speaker 2: through the roof and all of these things. And I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that's the cause at all, people, that's not
Speaker 2: the cause on its own, but it's this total load
Speaker 2: of chemicals and toxins in the environment, and then people
Speaker 2: made them, got digestive isshoes. They've got some other things
Speaker 2: going on this and that. It's the total load of
Speaker 2: all of these things. And these are things we can control.
Speaker 2: There are some things we can control. And the stuff
Speaker 2: you put on your skin and your body. It's really
Speaker 2: if you want to think about reducing risk of chronic
Speaker 2: conditions and feeling good and not being tied and brainworking,
Speaker 2: you want to reduce those chemicals.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Craig, and now I'm fucus so sad. Sorry, now
Speaker 1: I'm depressed, Doctor Denise. It's always good to chat with you.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Of course. Denise and I are running
Speaker 1: a program in the thriving metropolis of Queensland in Malula
Speaker 1: bar is it in June or July.
Speaker 2: Is in June twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: We're going to be doing something spectacular up there. We're
Speaker 1: not exactly sure what yet. I will be letting you
Speaker 1: know they're what we do.
Speaker 2: We've run through it all.
Speaker 1: We have a pot I know, but well we haven't
Speaker 1: pushed all of that video that you and I did
Speaker 1: the world hasn't even seen it yet. Because you and
Speaker 1: I need to get a little bit organized, but just
Speaker 1: put aside. We'll tell you what dates very soon. But
Speaker 1: we're going to have a fun, potentially life changing forty
Speaker 1: eight hours Denise and I Tip might even come up
Speaker 1: and say, Hi, who fucking knows weekend on the Sunshine
Speaker 1: Coast and you are all very welcome, all of you,
Speaker 1: whole fucking lot of you. We might have to take
Speaker 1: the whole hotel Denise. Where can people find you and
Speaker 1: follow you? Connect with you?
Speaker 2: Who can find me on my website? I guess just
Speaker 2: around Google my name, connect with me on the socials
Speaker 2: and stuff, or come and listen to this podcast. I'll
Speaker 2: be on again, but you can see me live in
Speaker 2: June if you're in Australia and you want to come
Speaker 2: to the Sunshine Coast. And we do have a plan everyone,
Speaker 2: it's a great plan, and we're going to be combining
Speaker 2: our combined knowledge and I'll be talking a bit about science,
Speaker 2: but not too intense. It's going to be about health,
Speaker 2: the aging, what you can do to feel good in
Speaker 2: that moment, but also long term stuff. It's the first
Speaker 2: time Craig and I have done something like this together
Speaker 2: in person. It's going to be awesome. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: We're going to have fun. Denise will be the grown
Speaker 1: up and I'll be the other one. I will say
Speaker 1: goodbye a fair but Tiffany and cook thank you. Enjoy
Speaker 1: your cookies, doctor Denise, thank you.
Speaker 2: I will see you all and speak to you all
Speaker 2: very soon.
Speaker 1: Bye, see you, tiff Thanks